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Portland Trail Blazers hold off the Phoenix Suns 114-110. Deni Adia gets a critical layup to force an and one propelling the Blazers to the victory. The Trail Blazers advance to the NBA playoffs as the number seven seed and they will face the San Antonio Spurs in the first round. Joe, I thought Phoenix had this game under control. They were up by 11 points with under five minutes to go and some dumb plays, four shots. Let Portland get some easy and three looked and it was bad. And one more thing, Devin Booker, he owes his team the next game because he was bad tonight, Joe. Go ahead. Hey, listen, I thought they teetered Tyler pretty much throughout the game. I thought Portland had it early. Okay, they had the momentum. I was like, look like Portland going to take care of this thing because everybody was kind of hitting on all the settlers to start the game. But then Phoenix took control. I'm like, okay. Yeah. But this, this, uh, I'm the I do. How do you say? I'm the I listen. Hey, that boy got game. Okay, oh, Joe. Yeah, he came and put it down. Hey, look, because even, you know, late, late in the game, when everything was a bit stagnant, he could always get to his spots. All right. I mean, at six, eight can handle a rock can shoot the three can go off the dribble. Man, he had them boys in the Hucklebuck all night. Okay. Oh, Joe, it wasn't nothing they could do, Joe. I mean, they tried everything. They put Royce O'Neill on him. They put Dylan Brooks. They put their best defenders on him and he cooked everybody. Man. I got Chris Cole and I'm frying everybody. This ain't no Pam. Hey, no low fat stuff here. This ain't healthy for you. Man, this is going to clog your arteries. This was a hell of a game. I'm talking about this and play off basketball tonight. We got entertained tonight. We got entertained tonight. For two, he was 15 or 22. He had 41 points, 12 assists, seven rebounds. Oh, young, young bull was playing really good. Hey, Joe, did you see this from him at all this season? No, man, I've seen him play a few times. Oh, Joe, he was an all star this year. Now he averaged 20, 24, 25. Yeah, yeah, we saw this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, so this early and often. Yeah, but I'm not going to sit here and say that I just was checking for Portland to play every night. I ain't really, you know what I mean? But I know he been putting up numbers. I ain't going to lie to him. He been putting up numbers even doing this thing. He was rewarding an all star. But to see this tonight, you know, in a playoff atmosphere on the road where it counts. Oh, man, no, look, it gave me a new found respect for him. Okay, because y'all see how physical the game was. Y'all see how it was back and forth. And man, just down the stretch, bro. This is what you did. I call these gamers, bro. Guys who just step up in the big moments. And when every time a play was needed, he come and one. I'm talking about like, oh, man, this is nice. I thought the thing was that I agree with you, Joe. But if you go like when they show it with show highlights, he's always the first to second lean score. Yeah, he's always having games like this. And so you're right. Just to sit down, I haven't sat down and watched them play the entirety of a ball game. Yeah. You see highlights and clips. He like, well, damn. And then the dude make the all star team. You like, okay, he got to be pretty good because he wasn't, he wasn't voted in by the fans. Yeah. For the players and the coaches. That lets you know because they get an opportunity to see him on a nightly basis. Yeah. And maybe because he's not the household name. Cause you look first of all, you got to overcome Luca. You got to overcome Yolkic. You got to overcome a Winby. You got to overcome Steph. You got to overcome. Man. You still got KD and you got Braun. So you've got seven guys right there that you got to overcome. So, you know, the likelihood of him making it as a, as a vote in from the, the fans probably wasn't likely, but for the coaches to put him in. And the players are like, okay. Yeah. It's, it's, go ahead. Oh, Joe. Now we're going to say he, he wanted him, he wanted him, especially, especially playing important in order, in order to make a name for yourself and compete with those other seven, other seven players. You got to be balling. I'm talking about you got to be balling night in and night out, especially for those that are downhill on the East coast who don't get to watch your games that much. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's because it's a West coast game. They come on so damn late. Most people are asleep. Because think about what time it is now. These are the times the game's normally come on. They come on at seven 30 on the West coast. Yeah. And so you're not, if, if you're not an avid or die hard fan, you're not standing up watching Portland because they don't have a name. I'm just being honest. They don't have a name. Okay. When they had Dame, you might like, well, let me see what Dame will do. Yeah. If we're on Dame time. Yes. But for young man and like you said, some people scoffed at him making the All-Star game, but he showed your ass tonight exactly why he was an All-Star. Man. And you know what? I think, you know, when you, when you look at it, you know, Portland one kicking up no damn dust this year. You know, like they ain't, they're in the play here for a reason. Yeah. Consider it. Right. So for him to make the All-Star team, you know, he was balling. Yes. Hitter and everything that they went through it from a franchise perspective, the players, obviously, you know, the stuff happening with Johnson early in the year. Correct. I think this is a remarkable comeback, fellas. You know, for these guys to make the play in, obviously they in the playoff now, right? Yeah. And they're in the 70s. They get, they get San Antonio. Hey, look, that's tough. I don't think they can be San Antonio, but they showed me they got some, they got some weapons over there. They got some guys, you know, in big moments because I like Jeremy Grant. Okay. Oh, Joe, he made some big shots down the stretch for him. He came into that fourth quarter Joe and hit, and hit two big threes. Yeah. Game to leave threes. Yeah. And might've got fouled on one of them. Right. That lad, that second one. Yeah. He came to leave with them threes. I was like, I don't know what he's out there. I'm like, why he still stuck in Portland? He needed to get out here and get on him a playoff team. But you know, he making the most, I don't know if he's dealt with injuries because I see he came off the bench tonight, but he played huge for him. Obviously Drew, who's won two, two titles. You know what I mean? Yeah. Who's calm in these moments. I thought this was a hell of a effort by the Blazers on the road, bro, to go in Phoenix and get this game. This, this says a lot about this team. But I was disappointed with, with, with, with Phoenix. And this is not to take any way, thing away from Portland because I believe two things can be true. I believe Portland deserve to win this game. But I also believe that, that, that Phoenix made some bonehead plays. Man. He came down and forced up shots. Dylan Brooks forced up a shot. And then you get Jaylen Green. He comes down, he forces up a shot. The constant turnovers. Bro, y'all trying to win a game. You don't need to play hero ball. You got a lemon point lead. Just take your time and go through your offense. I thought when Jaylen Green shake back in the game, he was hitting three after three. Big shot getting to his spot hitting two after two. But there were a couple of four shots by him and Dylan Brooks that it was unnecessary. I don't know what happened to a book at the free throw line. It was like, he couldn't even damn by a free throw. I mean, he was, I'm talking about clanking them. I was like, what the hell? Yeah. I think, I think, I think with those three guys, you know, rhythm and continuity throughout the season, they hadn't had that. Cause one of them has always been out. You know what I mean? Yes. Up on this green or whether it's been Dylan Brooks, they've missed significant. And book is missed. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Up on this green. Jalen Green has an abundance of talent. He's showing you that. He's streaky, Joe. He's the guy that can go get you 35, 40, 50 points. But then he's another guy that'll shoot three for 20. But he had it going tonight. But I still think, okay, look, you're the best player on this team. Look, a lot of players have come and gone, you've been the constant. And tonight, he didn't do what you expect to play over his caliber to do. And that was very disappointing. And I'm not saying that it hasn't happened before, it might not happen again. But Joe, you got a 11 point lead, you on your home court, you got to bring that thing home. You got to close the deal. You do. Yeah, in fact, he got to close the deal. He was bad tonight, over two from three, shoot, what he was, seven for 17? Yeah, and then I think he missed like five, maybe five or six free throws. Yeah, he was eight for 13 from the free throw line. Yeah, that's uncharacteristic of him. You know, he'll be better, but I think it gets harder for them now. You know, yeah, he better be better. Oh, you taking his ass home cause you lose again, you're going home. I sure hope he better. Yeah, yeah, I can't believe they lost this game. No, they, hey, hey, what's the hell was the games on the night, fellas? It was a great game. And the young fella, idea, he's only 25 Joe. Oh, he only 25. It seemed like he came out of nowhere too. I don't even, I saw a little bit of him last year, but I was like, I mean, two years ago, so this year he made the all-star team. And I'm looking at him, I was like, I never heard of this guy before, but he balling. Yeah, man. And the thing is, he's not like a lot of like European players, they're slow. He can get to his part in the hurry. Yes, sir. And he can get to his part in a hurry. Like you said, Joe, he can shoot the three, he can put the ball on the floor, get all the way to the rim, and I like it. That's a foul. That was an and one. Yeah. Man, shut your ass up. You gonna get an and one. Yeah, he gotta pipe down. He gotta pipe down. It's crucial part of the situation. Absolutely, Joe. You just gave your team a lead. Now you better let them go to the free throw line and shoot one to tie you up. Hey, hey, hey, you know what, and he got some real crafty finishes too, okay, oh Joe, like he get in the paint, he take that little extra little step. Yeah. Bro, for the game to be on the line and you to get a layup and one, come on, man. Yeah. But if you think about it, Joe, that was a, I mean, he take a long euro step because a lot of people just, that's a gather step. Yeah. And then they go long. He go long from the jump. Yeah. He a big boy, man, six, eight. He coming down through that, he gotta, I don't think it's handled great, but it's good enough to get by his man. You know what I mean? And that's the thing. It ain't gonna really wow you, but he got some quick little shifty stuff in there that'll kinda get you all balanced. Hey, Portland show me something. And the thing was, what I like to see him do, and I think Thiago's splitter might've got it, secured himself the head coaching job with the job that he's done. There you go. If you think about it in the fourth quarter, you see they had shooters all on the court. Yeah. They had Shaden Sharp in one corner, you brought Jeremy Grant in in the other corner, Holla they could knock down the shot, you had DJ running the point, he can knock down shot. So they got spacers. So it's hard for you to come, oh, how you gonna come trapping? Cause they wanted to come trapping a couple of times, and they did a great job. Even Jeremy Grant, they get the ball to the paint, kick to the corner, sharp, boom. Yeah. Did they get the ball in the paint, kick to the corner, three. They did a great job of finding open three point shooters. And because you gotta come help, you see a guy in the lane, you see a guy, he done beat his guy. You got to come help. But I was very impressed with what I saw from the Portland Trail Blazers tonight. Give those guys credit, they deserve the credit. Yeah, Phoenix, they made some bonehead plays, but I think that's what happens when you're under the rest. They force you to do things that you probably shouldn't do. And you see what happens, they go on the road, get down on the road by 11. And fight back. Come get it. And again, you know, holiday, gonna do what holiday does, he gonna put pressure on you. Hey, keep your eye on your luggage. If you don't keep your eye on your luggage, something's gonna transpire. He gonna have the ball go the other way. They tried to file them at the end, but they did a great job of keeping the ball away from, uh, uh, Jeremy Grant said, let me go on and finish this thing off. You got a point six seconds on the clock and they win. Yeah, that's that experience, that experience came into play. You know, when you mix in, mix in a couple of them young guys and you got some vets helping lead the way. Yes. Like Portland guy and they, and they pull it all together at the same time or at the right time. And I thought tonight was a great, great, great win for those guys, man. I mean, it was, it was Joe. It was, I was very impressed with Portland. It's gonna be interesting to see the mix when Dame gets back because you got another guy that can shoot it. Yeah. Yeah. Another guy, I think they're probably clinging, even though he didn't give you great production tonight, he normally a double, double guy, where you can protect the rim. So it's gonna be very interesting to see what Portland does. Now I'm not gonna be surprised. I mean, when you bring Dame back and you got all these guys, I mean, you gonna keep scooting here in the same, I mean, what's going on? That's what I wanna know. Jeremy Grant, you got Sheldon Sharp, who's a young guy that my, that my cousin, y'all. No, I don't understand it, but. Hey, he got, he got bounce. Oh, he bounce is F. Man, you, boy, that boy, hey, that boy here was almost at the square. Oh, that what he, that what he caught in the law. Man, that boy, hey, that boy can get up. That boy can get up. That boy can get up. But yeah, I don't know, I don't really know, you know what Portland gonna do when Dame come back. You know, that's a good point because they got, I mean, Scoot, who I felt like, you know, they put it. Get some big shots early. Yeah, he played well. He did, he did, but man, when Dame come back, somebody gonna have to scoot over. But see, that's the point. I think Scoot needs playing time and he's not getting that currently. Now, maybe that's part of him, but those other guys, I mean, obviously, the name, he ain't going nowhere. Yeah, no. And he got Sheldon Sharp, who's playing well, Jeremy Grant's playing well. You gonna get Dame come back in the mix. I just don't, I just don't know where the minute's gonna come from Joe and Ocho in a situation like this. I don't either. I don't know if the coach is really a fan of him, neither. You know, I think this is more of Chelsea's guy. If you just, maybe 100, I don't know how, I don't know how Splinter feels about him. Cause it don't seem like he really played that much. Cause I didn't think he played bad in the minutes that he had tonight. Okay, Ocho. I mean, he started and played 17 minutes. Jeremy Grant played 19 minutes, came out the bench. Sheldon Sharp played 21 minutes. He came out the bench. Robert Williams III played 16 minutes. He came out the bench. So you see guys coming off the bench, playing similar minutes or more minutes than a guy that's starting. Yeah, yeah. So it makes you wonder like, I don't know, because it didn't really seem like, you know, he had free range tonight. I thought he made some great plays, especially offensively. He plays hard, but it don't seem like, you know, they really count on him to be productive, to be honest with you. No. And Portland, I mean, Phoenix tonight, they didn't get anything from the bench. They got 17 points from the bench. Jeremy Grant gave you 16 by himself. Right. Sheldon Sharp 12. Thiball had three. Robert Williams III had two. So you got outscored on the bench by what? That's 28, 31, 33. You got scored by 16 from bench. And then you got another guy. So as great as Jaylen Green played, and he plays tremendous tonight, you still got the other guy gave you 41. Yeah. Yeah, I thought Phoenix, they competed, man. Listen, it was fun to watch. You know, I like the back and forth. I like guys going at one another. I like watching Dylan Brooks get on the guy's skin, make him get in technical fouls. You know what I mean? In crucial situations, you know, he's a pass. They probably could have used a little more from Booker though. For them to get over the hump, because they bench ain't giving them that. So one of these guys gonna have to be special. And Grant's eight shots tonight. So I thought, I thought it was definitely a game Phoenix is just gonna pull away. I thought it was over with. Yeah, I thought it was over with too, Joe, but hey, give Portland credit for not going away because they could have easily hit the head, ran and ducked in the sand. Man. It's like, nah, we're good. We're not going anywhere. And they were able to pull it out. Discover a spectacular island destination with crystal blue seas, endless sunshine, and the cool Bahamian breeze, Bahamar. Located in Nassau, Bahamas offers your choice of three luxury hotels, over 45 fine dining and nightlife venues, Jean-Baptiste's all new jazz club, the Caribbean's most luxurious casino, and one of the kind experiences for the entire family, like our 15 acre tropical water park, wildlife sanctuary, world class golf course, and so much more. 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Lamello ball got the game winning layup in closed seconds and overtime to prepare the Charlotte Hornets to a victory. But Kobe White, that shot that he hit, they even did it to overtime. And Joe, you and I was talking about what a big addition he was. I don't know what Chicago ate. I don't know what Chicago got for him, unless they got them parking meters back that they gave South into the South is. This was a horrible deal for them. This was Kobe White drain the game, time three in the final seconds of the fourth quarter to send it to overtime. Charlotte will play the loser of the Magic 76ers. I mean, they're like, man, we played this good, and we still ain't in the real playoff yet. We gotta play the loser of Miami. And no, not Miami, the Magic and the 76ers. Charlotte overcomes a two for 22 shooting from three from Lamello and Con Connipple, the number 10 Miami eliminated after going three for three from previous in play-ins, taking Hornets to overtime, despite losing Bam out of bio. Man. What do you want? Hello, let's go ahead and take a listen. Speaking on Bam, here's what Eric Sposter had to say on the Mellow Balls play on Bam out of bio. I didn't see it, but that, I don't think it's cute. I don't think it's funny. I think it's a stupid play. It's a dangerous play. Obviously our best player is out. I'm not making an excuse. The Hornets played great, you know, and they made those plays down the stretch. We had opportunities to win. I just, that's a shame. You know, you should be penalized for that. I don't think that belongs in the game. You know, tripping guys, you know, shenanigans, and you know, Curtis was there. It's his responsibility to see that. And if it's not his responsibility, then Zach's got to see it. If, you know, somebody has got to see that, and that, you know, it should have been thrown out of the game, you know, for that. I don't know him from, you know, anyone. I just, there's no place in the game for that. Obviously, you know, it took Bam out of the game. Mm. Eh, you lie? Yeah, I mean, you absolutely right here, you lie. There is no place for that in the game. Obviously, for one, you heard our best player, right? You heard our best player. And for us to even have a chance, Joe, for us to even have a chance, I know Bam was out. He finished with six points. But in order for us to have a chance to win this game as efficient as they've been playing all year, it's about the Hornets, we need all hands on deck. If anything, let's just keep the game close until it gets towards the end. Now we played well once Bam left the game. That goddamn DeVion Mitchell. Wait, yeah, that goddamn DeVion Mitchell. And brother Kaleil, Kaleil Ware. Did I say it right? Kaleil Ware, he from Korea. Man, listen, hey, he from where, Joe? He from Little Rock, he from Korea. Hey, young boy showed up, man, especially in the offense and deep as the end, grabbing him goddamn boards and crashing it, giving us second chance points, which is one of the reasons why we was able to keep this goddamn game close. How cares DeVion did? And they got them all. Is it Andre Wiggins? Andrew Wiggins. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew Wiggins. Hey, he gonna be all right, man. He gonna be all right. But what we do need to do, we need some firepower in there, Joe. Now, I know I owe you $100, right? I thought we bet it too, because you said, you said let's bet too. Because you feel good, you're feeling good about it. You're feeling real good about it. You know what? And I'm glad you sent you that $200 already, so I done paid you already. Anyway, hey, back to the game. I think, listen, you lose BAM, right? We talk about playing him getting 20 a night. He getting 20 a game. So somebody has to make up for them points. Somebody has to make up for them points. I mean, every, we did, but we could. Goddamn, DeVion Mitchell had 28. Goddamn, Wiggins had 27. Think about it, BAM, BAM to get hurt. If BAM don't get hurt, I think we win this game and we don't even have to go to overtime. We was up, what, 111 to 108, with 28 seconds to go. And then Goddamn, Kobe, Goddamn, White. I mean, come on, man. Hey. Come on, man. Oh, Joe, if BAM didn't get hurt, then maybe somebody else's production wouldn't have been. It's great. All right. I think, was it a dirty play by Lamello? I was borderline, you know, you know, you know, there ain't borderline. What you mean borderline, Joe? Joe, he intentionally tripped that man. That was a borderline play is that I'm making a basketball play. So if it's football, I got you. So tell me in the rule books in basketball, where is the, you allowed the triple player? It ain't nowhere in the rule, but we just... Okay, so that's a Bush League play. Okay. So I thought, listen, I thought Miami played good ball, man. They had God step up when BAM went down and they played absolutely out of their mind, with Mitchell, Hero, Wiggins and Kill-L-L where... But man, Charlotte has just been fun to watch all year, fellas. You know, especially in the new year. They've been playing great basketball. They got a gang of guys who can beat you. I didn't think... I thought Canipa shot a lot of tough threes early, Uncle Ocho, got him out of rhythm, you know, because he was shooting what a guy glued to him. I'm like, man, they're tough shots. Yes. You can't be in the playoffs taking regular season shots in the postseason, bro. And for a young guy, you know, that's the curve that you have to... You know, you have to learn. Because he was over 60 tonight, he didn't give him nothing. But man, Lamello and Miller and Bridges, they gave you every... Kobe White. Kobe White. He the reason why they won the game. Yep. Just big play after big play after big play. He from North Carolina, went to North Carolina. Got hometown kids. He back home, bro. Like, he looks so comfortable out there, Uncle Ocho. I think when Lamello gets tired, because there were moments in the game when Lamello was kind of real tired, he got a few turnovers, a few careless turnovers. I think that's when Kobe White comes into play. He can put the ball in his hands. He's great in pick and roll, can shoot the three, create, get to the basket. Man, he, hey, this is a great back and forth game. Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, Joe, that play, maybe it's a flagrant one. But I don't know, maybe they toss him because of the intent. And it's hard to tell someone's intent. But when you reach up your hand and you trip the guy, the guy falling on his backside, it's hard to say it's anything, but intent. It's a bush league play. At the, at the, at the, no matter what you think, and I think Lamello ball is a phenomenal player. We used to have his dad on LeVar on, on undisputed all the time. Everybody knows how we think about LeVar, but that was a bush league play because you put their best player out. We can't have that now. The NBA might have to say something about that. There might be a fine forth with coming forthcoming. I don't know what we'll see. But Lamello ball, he had to make that play because first of all, he turned the ball over and then he filed a down three point shot. Yeah. He was about to be the goat. Yeah. He did. And not, not, not the greatest of all time. Yeah. He made, he made some ball head plays down. Yes. Yes. So he had to do what he did. But still he wasn't out of the woodwork yet because I got down to court and it took miles bridges climbing the escalator. Yeah. Oh. Hey, I, hey, I, hey, I, hey, I, hey, Joe, this is, is he possibly could. Hey, Joe, I was, I was hoping, obviously I know it's hard with the time expiring. I was hoping when Davey, I mentioned was, was, was on that, on that little break. Yeah. He had hit the breaks and everybody not flew by him, but you know, when everybody think you from the lead up, yeah, just, just stop real quick, pump one time. I don't know if you had enough time to do all that, but I knew. No, his mom. Because you gotta realize when he blogging. So just imagine, yeah, yeah, and I tried to get the ball up. Hey, it's impossible to dunk too. It's, it's, it's impossible to dunk with people right on your hip like that, huh, Joe? No, no, no. He got that kind of up for, oh, Joe, Davey. Who you think the man is? You thought he said little dude for the do all that, oh, Joe? I don't know, man. I don't know. I think, I think if anything, do what you can to try to draw a foul, you know what I mean? But that's the situation where everything and moving fast, man. So yeah, I think he was going so fast. Oh, Joe, his momentum was taking him. It was no way he could stop. They knew he had to go for a quick layup. He tried to get it up to high, but man, Bridges climb. He climbed that tree and got it. Yeah. Damn, man. Man, the shot making. I mean, I mean, look here. Miami won the game, lost it. Charlotte won the game, lost it. Miami won it, lost it. Charlotte lost it, won it, lost it. And then guess what? Charlotte come back and win it again. I mean, this is, that was, I mean, that last, last four to five minutes of the ball game. Yeah. Yeah, I was excited. That's as good a basketball is that you're going to see it any more time. Because like you said, guys, everybody making shots three after three layup, hot cans, like, hey, I got this Tyler hero hitting shots, falling out of bounds and one, uh, uh, uh, Kobe white boom, uh, uh, Miller boom and everybody was like, damn, when y'all start making shots like this, but for them to overcome two for 16 from mellow, I mean, you got to think about it now. They two for three and over six. Yeah. They were bad. So Canepo gave him nothing. He was over. So that's basically, so that's basically two for 22 from the three and you overcame that between two guys, between two guys, but you got Brandon Miller playing out of it, played well, Bridges played well, Kobe white played well. You got other guys stepping up and that and mellow mellow. But even though he wasn't really good from the three, he made other plays. Yeah. And he got other guys involved. He had 10 or six 30 and 10 for a guy. What I think this is just mellow first time in the playoffs. Yeah. I don't know what they call it. They don't say to play off the stats. Don't go towards anything. I think they need to do that. They need to do something with that. Hey, hey, what's what's the big, what's the big guy for Charlotte? The abate. Yeah. Hey, I like him, man. I like he play hard. He get a lot of them second chance points to where you get an extra rebounds on the offensive end and he guards man. Man, Charlotte, Charlotte still scared of me for them to shoot the way they shot tonight and still win the game. You know, I think there'll be a lot better next game. Hey, hey, hey, the abate lucky bam went out. You know that, right? Huh? You know, he had enough bricks in his back pocket to deal with bam. But you had, but you just love Khalil where he just gave you 19. I know, I know, I know he gave us 19. I'm just saying, I'm just saying this is, this is the night. I think the difference maker for us or the difference in the game is having bam in there and certain shots when the lights are bright in a playing tournament, which we had already been three for three in the last playing tournament with them played in and all of a sudden bam is gone and now we lose to the goddamn Hornets. Yeah. Oh, Joe, you got Wiggins gave you 27. Khalil gave you 12 and 19. I know what they gave us. Mitchell gave you 20. Graves gave you 28. Last time. Hey, give me the number. Last time. Davion Mitchell scored 28 points in the game. Hey, how tall a hero gave, what tall a hero gave us on what? 23. 23. 23? Yeah. We were balling, but let me tell you something. We need some firepower. You hear me? We need some firepower. We need some firepower. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Joe. I know bam scored 83, but you make it seem like bam averaged 30 a game. No, he averaged 20. He averaged 20 a game. I said we need firepower. I ain't no say it. Okay, let me ask you a question. No, Joe. We need difference makers. Okay. If bam, so if bam, so you think bam is going to give you 20 and Davion's going to give you 28. Yeah. Them shots, his 20 points got to come from somewhere. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying. What you saying? I'm saying bam would have had more than 20 tonight. Listen, I mean, we're having 18, 18, 19 tonight. That was good. I'm just saying bam is a difference maker. He's the leader of our team. He's, he know he's the go-to guy. What's the name? Diabi Joe. Huh? Diabi, how you say young boy name from Charlotte? Uh, that. The obate. Hey, boy, listen, man, but, but bam were giving that boy hell, man. Mellow ain't had no choice but to trip him up. We got to get him up out of here. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to play the first court. I thought bam started to serve himself a little bit. Oh, oh, Joe. Yes. Oh, Joe, you do realize they beyond Mitchell took 24 shots in the game. Yeah. He ain't taken 24 shots of bam in there. No. They beyond Mitchell only scored 20 points or more once all season. Hey. Okay. Again, they beyond Mitchell scored 20 or more points once. This entire season, he took 24 shots. He ain't getting 24 shots with bam. No, no, no, no, maybe just maybe. Oh, Joe. Okay. The shots that he was taking, they go to bam and bam maker. But they beyond you got a minute now. They are played out of his damn mind tonight. Crazy. Crazy. He did, bro. He did. He stepped up. Hey, but listen, one thing about it, Joe, a pat Riley and Mickey Erison or Pat who are made special, they got to be tired of just playing stuff. They got to be, they got to be tired of going to the play and why not get what you need. What is it? I know what you're going to say. I do get you on it. You won't. You give him a hero. You give it up Mitchell. Yes. You give it up and you give it up where? Hold on. Let me tell you, let me tell you what to do. Go get you on us, who would be the most expensive, huh? Then we go get John Marant. We need job. We need job down here. This is the right type of atmosphere that y'all need to be in somewhere where you can't, that bull job ain't going to run over there and pat Riley system. Hear me on? Yes. Sometimes, Joe, I think this is exactly what someone like John need and you can't, no matter all that stuff you want to do out in Miami, nigga, Pat, no, he had everywhere you go. He's going to get a phone call. Hey, your boy in here. I go, keep eye on him. What you going to do about his dad? Huh? Pat Riley. Oh, no, no, no. He's sitting on the floor. He's sitting in the box. Okay. You just eat that. Yeah, you ain't going to be sitting on the floor acting a fool. Not at the casino, you know? Uh-uh. Nah, he going to be on the floor, man. He ain't going to be up in no box. Hey, man, let's hear, man. Pat running the tight ship, man. If T want to be down there and for a little listen, but we ain't having none of that. We ain't having none of that. Hey, two drink minimum. Two drink minimum. That's it. We could be cutting you off. Hey, you might be leading before you even get to the game. There you go. There you go. I'm just saying, Joe, I'm just saying, Joe, and you know, as a basketball fan, there's certain things that we need to do to improve our team. You know, we haven't had a superstar since LeBron and D-Wave. And it seems like a team like Miami, your uncle Joe, who don't, who wouldn't want to come to Miami to play here? You can't even get superstars to come here. Joe, and Joe, you played in this situation. I don't think they don't. I don't, I think the superstar would love to be in Miami. They don't like the conditions on which they'd have to play under. They've heard Joe and they've heard other players say you get weighed, you get body fat, you get, but you have practice or the shooter rounds are tough. That's what they don't, you got to realize, oh Joe, if you come into that situation, if you drafted there, that ain't nothing to bam. That ain't nothing to Tyler He-Roll. That ain't nothing to guys that grow up in that system. But when you come from a system and shoot around and just bulljive it and you ain't got no weigh in it and you ain't got no body fat check and you don't have the circumstance in Pat Riley on your, you know what, that's hard. Yeah, it is. 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To stay in your car 10-minute oil change, find your nearest shop at take5.com. You don't get Ocho. You get Chad Johnson. Yeah. And it's a different shit ran over there, fella. But what I will say, it's not like a lot of guys, I wouldn't say that they don't like it. Like you say, if you don't mind doing a little work, doing a little extra work, bro, it really ain't that hard. I'm going to be honest with you. You know what I mean? You just, whatever you're doing outside of the gym, outside of the court, if it's affecting your play or the way you train, then you probably want to lighten up on it. You know what I'm talking about? Yes. Like, you know, because they going to expect you at your best at all times. But when you a superstar, Joe, and you don't listen to people that's watching, that's looking over your shoulder, normally superstars, they go and come and they do kind of do what they want to do. You nothing to do that there. And so when you've been doing what you kind of want to do for the last 10, 12, 13, 14 years, and all of a sudden, it's hard, I'm telling you, it is hard. It's like, you got to, you're at your office and your boss kind of let you do your own thing. But now you got a new boss and he on your, you know what? Yeah, man, the old boss, man, it was, yeah, I know it was so much fun, but he gone now. Yeah. It's a new, it's tough. It is tough. They're, they're, they're, they're waiting by the fact different, bro. I'm not going to lie because it makes you, it makes you conscious about everything that you eat. You know what I mean? When you eat, what you eat, how you eat, and it gets so embedded in your head because every time, like I say, if you don't, if you don't reach these goals that Pat has set for you, there's consequences for that. You know what I mean? And it's grown as men, bro. You know, it's hard to, it's hard to succumb to that sometimes. Yeah. Because you, you flying it, it's hard. You, you get done playing, man. You know the sh, man, man, a piece of wings sound real good. I can go for me a burger right now. Man. Damn. Hey, man, I can't eat no wings, no burger, no wings. I mean, no pizza and go to bed and sleep on this. Yeah. Tell me about some, let me get two bags of tater chips. Yeah. All right. Man, you out of pocket boy. Going, hey, going ahead. You missing weight and body fat. I'm telling you. Yeah. Hey, the funniest thing, bro, I'm telling you how the funniest thing, bro, is to see people sitting in their saunas. Right before we're, hey, okay. Oh, Joe, the sun will be packed. Everybody be trying to, trying to sweat it out, trying to switch over the pounds out. Boy, listen, I ain't never seen a light that in my life. Oh my God. I ain't got to get no hot tub in Steve because they didn't have a sauna in Denver. They had one in Baltimore. Hey, show up. You go, I'm like, hold on. How you mofo's eating pizza in a damn sauna? What kind of bull job is that? In the sauna? They in the sauna. Oh no. Man, they grab a piece and go get in the sauna. Damn. I don't know. Maybe, maybe just, maybe just me, but I was like, no, it's too hot in there. And they constantly pouring water on the rocks and it's getting steamy. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Hey, man, hey, put some water, put some water on the rocks. No, don't put no more water on the rocks. Oh yeah. I ain't never heard of that. People in that eating pizza. Typically guys going there when, when they try to sweat their alcohol out, out them pours. I'm trying to figure out guys going there, guys getting, getting the sauna, they start getting the sauna. Damn, they're Wednesday. Wednesday after Wednesday after practice. They in that Thursday after practice. They in their Friday, they in their Friday morning. Yeah. In their Friday again after practice. Yeah. I'm like, what damn, how much do y'all weigh? Y'all had to do that too. You, you, you, you, uh, huh? Y'all had to weigh in too when you was playing. Yeah, hell yeah, they had to weigh in. Yeah, yeah. I think everybody got that. Oh, in football, y'all had, I ain't know y'all had to weigh in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you got to pay a certain amount for every, for every pound. $50 a pound that you over. Yeah. And it doubles every pound. Hey, listen, I ain't gonna lie to y'all. I like that method, like that, that, that, that pad run over because it holds you accountable. And, you know, it helps your performance with the guys know it or not where you ain't just snacking all day, eating no BS bro. Like it keep you in line. You know what I mean? But I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know football did. I think Miami the only team that does it for real. No, we had to weigh in. Man, look here, early in my career, I remember Dan used to have us weigh in on Sundays because he said God was making weight on what the way they was playing Sunday at the game. They might have done game weight back. So he would wear since Sunday before pregame. Damn. Oh, you eat. Yes. Oh yeah, you're going to be playing with it. Oh, you probably had no problem. I've never had a weight problem. And I'm saying, but the thing was, especially once a guy make way in, once a guy make way in Joe, right, bro. Okay, you may weigh in. Now you got, now you got wings. Now you got all this stuff. Bro, what you did? All you did was get that water pop. That ain't no way. Because once you eat and drink, you're going to put that water back on. And guess what? Your body, because you dehydrated so much, it's going to hold on to everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Joe, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't get fine at all, Joe. I ain't gonna get fine. Yeah, you probably want never you to make your way home, Joe. Man, Joe, I was so little when I was playing, I was skinny. Like, like right now is probably the biggest I ever been, Joe. Yeah. But just imagine if you were running, if you were thinking about how much you ran during practice, how much you ran, just imagine if you were, that's what you'd be. Yeah. You'd be that right now. As I'm saying, you're not a naturally big man. You said, when I'm going to get weigh, so when you not. Yeah. That is not your, that's not your, your genetic makeup. Yeah. No. And what I'm saying, guys will eat pizza in the sauna. Once they may wait, cause you got pizza. I don't know how y'all get pizza, Joe. Oh, Joe. We got pizza every Friday. We got pizza and wings every Friday. Right. So they might come in there. You might have 20, 20, 20, 25 pizzas. So you got, you got all these pizzas. You know, I'm simple. I might get a slice. Right. I'm going up out. I'm good. Yeah. They would, they pe-piece in chicken. So we got Popeyes. You got so many miles. You got so many spicy. You got, you know, probably a hundred biscuits. You got chicken strips. You got all that. I like wings. So a, I get a slice of pizza, maybe, but I got the wings. They got a wing. The wings got my name on it. Cause I got tired of getting everybody that got the wings and gone and everything. So they would just bring me a, a Michael had them to get me four wings. Four wings and a biscuit. Yeah. They're cool. I just don't, I just don't know how those guys eat. We had guys, and I remember Dan told a guy, I ain't going to call his name. He says, if you make weight, I'll give you all the money, all the money that I've taken for you in two years. I'll give it back to you. He knew, he knew do come make it. He made it. He don't know. He, he may wait maybe the very first time, maybe the very first time he may wait after they ain't no make it. You know what? That is only one position that have a problem with that. And they got to be a detackle. Yeah, it got to be. The detackle is the only person on, I mean, Joe, you know, on our team, on our team, Joe. Yeah. And listen, Big Sam matters. Remember Big Sam matters? I play with Sam and Goose. For real? And they ain't wait. Hey, boy. Big Sam got my. Hey, Sam, Sam, look at Goose. Goose you wearing the date? Nah. Hey, Goose you wearing the date? Nah. Ain't no way. Come on guys. We got to get. Hey, hey, Joe, them boy with big Joe. Yeah. No, you got to have some discipline, boy, under under that type of structure. Yeah. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, bro, I think more teams need to adopt that in the NBA, especially because we dealing with so many injuries. Right. You know, because I know when guys are at home and they just chilling, they snacking, eating Zuzuz and when we're out there. And y'all know, y'all know that pile up. You can eat 800 calories to a thousand calories. Yeah, like that. Two bags of chips. You know what I mean? And don't even realize it. Oh man. So I was, I was a, say I was cardio Joe. So even Monday, Monday, even before we went, cause we like, uh, something, uh, we'd run. We'd have to run, uh, after the game. I would do cardio. I'd get up at like seven o'clock and before I have to, because if we, if we won, if we won, we didn't have to be, you know, come in and get your work out in and we were off. I would do our cardio before I got there. And then I would get a lift in and then I would, and then I would run, then run sprints, you know, lose some of my legs was already loose. I would do cardio on Tuesday for an hour. I would do cardio before practice. And I mean, before, before I left my house, I had a stationary bike. I would do cardio or I go to the complex, uh, uh, uh, where I was staying and do cardio. And then I would do cardio after Wednesday practice and after Thursday practice. Cause I have, I wanted my weight low. Like you say, Joe, I want to be disciplined. I, I might, might like, Hey, and as I started to get older, uh, Mike was like, you know, you want your body, you want your weight to go up two or three pounds. I said, nah, I want to be able to do the same structure. And I know it's harder as you start to age and it plus it starts to get cold. So guess what? You bundled up out there. I'm trying to be like them. I'm going out there with shorts and shirt off, cut off shirts. Hell nah. And I got a thermal shirt on. I got a sweatshirt on. I got all that on. Hey, but I, but I, but I knew for me to be my best, I need to be, I need to be focused. I need to have tunnel vision. Yeah. So chicken and rice it was chicken and rice or turkey and rice or a little, uh, eight ounces of, uh, uh, filet. That's what, that's what it was. Yeah. Green beans, black eyed peas, uh, whole kernel corn, stuff like that. Yeah. I love some guys, man. I was like, bro, we are the guy we spoke to. Okay. They give you a weight. Did they give you a way to come to camp Joe? No, uh, uh, I got, cause I got the Miami midway through the season. Oh, Joe, did they give you a way to say that? That you okay. Oh, Joe, your way to the report, the training camp is 185 pounds. Yeah. No, they, they, they let me go cause they already knew whatever it was I was going to be under. How we get, they gave, I remember they gave a guy a body weight. He needed to come in at, how you come in 11 pounds overweight? Damn. I'm looking like, did you do anything? Anything? How you 11 pounds? I guess you know what? I can't even see two or three cause you had to hold damn summer. They gave you the weight before you, before you leave. They give you a weight to say, this is what you want. This is what we want you to report back at. So you knew that. So seven weeks ago, they gave you this weight. Know them big boys. If they not in that structure environment, boys hard to lose weight. It is man. I feel bad for people running. I run with them. So you know, they got, hey, you might, they might have eight 100s. They might have 10 100s. You might have to one morning practice and afternoon practice to get that weight off your. Yeah. With the, with the garbage bag on. I'm running. I'm running with them. Oh, Joe, you know, I ain't got man. I feel bad for them. Cause if you out there running, everybody looking at you, they know why you're running. Your better have seen the shape. Yeah. Hey, y'all had them condition attention. I just had to take. Yeah. We had to be yes. When you come back right before camp. Yeah. I should love, I should love those. We had those. We had 10, we had the 10 40 test. What's that? You had to run 40. You had to run 40. You had to run 10, 40 yard dash. So basically let's just say my time is four six. You had to run all of them things and like four eight or less. And back to back. For love. I remember that. And people like, Oh, that ain't that. Okay. Yeah. The first three or four might not be bad. When do you get your ass to six or seven? It's. Yeah. Hey boy, them, the item condition and testing on Joe. But if you come in and shape though, if you come in and shape, you can breeze through it. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. For sure. It's the guys who ain't been doing that. And then you come in and try to do that conditioning test and you buy a bag of tobacco. Them hamstrings going to be on fire. Hey, I used to love them conditioning test Joe. I ain't love them. I ain't fit a lot to you. I ain't love them now. I did it. Yeah. You know, I come in, I come in an immaculate shape, not foot, not football shape. I'm somebody immaculate shape just being able to run all day. Yeah. Like I was in the rain. Hey, football shape and running shape is something entirely different. A Joe until I get people pushing and pulling and tugging on me and me having to move and move around objects and move around people. And then that's football shape. But hold on. What was your regimen like, like when the season's over, let's say you took a little time off for you to get back in shape. You was a runner. You just used to like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had a track background. Let's just say at the absolute height of my conditioning, Joe, we were running somewhere between 20, we were running somewhere between 20 and 25, one teams with 14 to 16 seconds with a 45 second break. I'm saying you was doing that by yourself in the off season. I would do that by myself. I run, I've run as many as 30. I ran the first 15 and everybody's like, man, it's too hot. I'm done. And I read the last 15 by myself. So I put myself on the clock. Did you and your brother, we might have jump. We might have 150. So you got to wait, wait 150. You got to run for no 150. You got to run say 17 seconds, 18 seconds. And you get a minute and a half off. And people like, but what we do is that we run and then you walk, walk back to the start. So we run the 200. So we had, we run 2200. And you got to make it in 32 seconds. Yeah. So we run finished and walked back across the field. By the time you get back across the field, it's time to go again. Joe, my condition was so good. It really wasn't, you know, anything like I was doing, but I use, I play soccer during, during the off season, Joe. Yeah. And I did boxing and I didn't do boxing, not the fight, Joe. I did boxing strictly for my feet work. Yeah. And having somebody in front of you, Joe is no different. My strength was man to man having somebody right up in my face. Yeah. My strength. Yeah. And obviously mentally it helped me build some of the, some of the vicalis mentally not worrying about getting hit. No, you know, you know, when you spar sometimes and then you go on the football field, you don't care what's around you. You just focus on what you got to do with a ball coming, not worried about, I don't know, it is weird how that worked. And I was so fucking violent, Joe. With my hands to be a little person. Yeah, it's weird. I was small. I was so small, but Joe, I was so violent with my hands waxing off, waxing off. Like if something touched me, it was like, I get it off of me because I know if somebody get a hand on me, I'm not going nowhere. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going nowhere. Joe, I was so violent. Yeah. Hey, Joe, I'm talking about, I'm talking about violent and quick as hell. I like that phone booth. Yeah. I'm getting the fuck up. Sorry, my bad for cursing. I'm getting the hell up out of there, Joe. But as a receiver though, that's what y'all told, right? With your hands, you got to be quick with your hands. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm throwing, as soon as I move, I'm throwing something, whether you stab or not, I'm putting something coming about it there. Yeah. But the running, the smaller thing, it was when we had the jumbo day, when you got to run 400s and 300s and 200s and 150s, Joe, those were the days. That's what got me. But it didn't really bother me because I could run the 400s. Yeah. So I really, I could pace. You had, you couldn't be like, you're supposed to do like 70 seconds or less. So I could do a minute, take three minutes off and do it again. Mm. So that's what, you know, I could build up like that. But each week we add and we get better and better. And then with like two weeks, we start backing it down. Because the one thing I didn't want to, hell, I didn't want to peek on the damn track. I didn't, I didn't say something. But I got my ass in camp. Yeah. That thing. That's what got me to running like that is that when I was with, when I first got to Denver and Dan, if you jumped outside, you had to run a 400, you had to run around football fields. Mm. And so he get frustrated in the offense and he'll somebody's like, oh, y'all bulljabbing. And so he tells everybody to take off. Oh, yeah. That football. And you ain't, oh, remember I told you, I'll be, I don't know what it was. All I did was, hey, you get tired. Yeah. Hey, on to, on to. Huh. Got. Take off. Hey, sharp. But I could have, they hold you out of there. I was out of there. Hey, that's funny. Hey, full speed. Full speed. And so, you know, we have two minutes real. Okay. You got to go until you score. Right. So, you know, we're going to be live at a sharp. Come on. Let's get it. So we get a big playoff to start. Might break it back. All right. First down. First down. Damn. First down, man. Delay again. Back in the. Oh, whoa. Yeah. I figured out we scored. We done. Yep. They create their own scenarios. Yes. Oh, Oh, Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. I know. It was a day's, Oh, Joe. There were days, man. There was a day. I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take anything from that. I wouldn't take that. It took all of that. And you realize because like the likelihood of in two minutes real, Oh, Joe, you scored on the first play. It ain't very good. Nah. Not at all. Hey, Joe, you might get a situation where you get a big play, but I'm talking about just taking to the house. Right. Right. No, Joe, y'all had two days. Yeah. Basketball. Basketball NBA. What? Yeah. I know that. I mean, they don't do it no more though, huh? Man, I don't think they, I don't think they do it no more. But when I first came to the league, oh, Joe, all the way up to 10, 11, 12 years. Yeah. Yeah. Two a day partner. They're practicing to be hard to the man. What? It'd be, I wish these players, I wish those players today could see how we practice back then. Hey, I'm talking about a good 2045 minutes, Joe, sometimes depending on how many times you mess up. Yeah, both of us practice. And we have practices. We've been passed both practices, Joe. Yeah. It ain't like now they got, they might practice, they practice and pass in the morning, oh, Joe, and they got walkthroughs or they got film study that afternoon. Film study. Huh? No, sir. Same with basketball. Man, look, you had to be taped before you had to be taped for both of them practices. You know what I'm saying? They was going to go well over two hours. Now I think if they do do two a day, I think the first one or the, either or the first one, I'm going to be two hours. Another one got to be like an hour. You know, they didn't scale everything back now. It ain't the same no more. Right, right. Well, see, that's what, see when Mike came, Mike was like, okay, the second practice is going to be based on how well the first practice go. Right, right. Yeah. So it might be, you know, we might have a 10, 10, 10 practice. Right. Office 10, defense 10, office 10, defense 10, office 10, defense 10. We are part of them. We tried to make that thing perfect. Now you got the bull job. Hey, boy, look here. I guess that's why the old help say what they used to be. They were they used to be all A, but that was A. You got it. No, man. Cause I was thinking about it. I was like, damn. And sometimes I was thinking like it was, was, was caught with NFL as hard as college. I don't think our practices in the NFL, I think NFL practices are more mentally challenging. Oh, Joe, you mean not going to be wrong. Now I don't know what everybody had, but I'm saying it's a battle state. Bill Davis got it. We build ever say I'm going to get butter from a duck. He got it up out of you. I love Bill Davis. I got to trim the fat. He's, I'm up to, I would say I'm a push up. I'm a push into the, I'm a push into the edge. Yeah. And I'm going to slowly bring you back. Now you're going to push me over the edge. I ain't trying to come back. I ain't trying to come back. But they was got it out. And it's so hot. If you from, if you from Chatham County, if you from down that area, you know, the, you know, I'm saying that's a bad, I know y'all know if y'all know anything about Paris, but Paris Island would have been the Marine train. Oh yeah. And they got sand nests. And I had never heard of those. I mean, I knew what to say. I heard of saying that because Savannah, uh, uh, the modeling team, that's what they were called. They were called the sand nests. So I knew what they were, but I ended up having to experience a little bit because of Savannah country. They had them. Man, I got down to Ocho. Boy. I'm talking about Ocho. I'm talking about days had to go. I'm talking about Ocho. I'm talking about days had to told me up. I'm talking about, I'm talking about like somebody just like, just took needles and poke me. That's how bad them things told me up. Some people call them saying, saying please, but boy, and they were bad. It was hot. It was long. I ain't never heard of that. I had to Google that saying that. Hey, hey, what did they say? What did they say? Yeah, I'm looking, I'm looking at them right now. What did they say they do to you? Sand Nests also known as no seums or biting, biting midges. Yeah. Or tiny one, three millimeter flies that deliver painful itchy bites, primarily in coastal, marshy and damn areas. Savannah, coastal and marshy. They call it the coastal empire. Hey, that mean they down here? I don't know. I don't know. They might not, they might have them in down there. I'll never, but I know they down in Savannah. Yeah. Look here. I see a year, man. The fame got so bad. Oh, Joe and Joe. Yeah. Man, I started me a bar fire. Go there and say, God damn, mom, you gonna burn the whole field now. Man, I'm telling you, man, man, I had to, I started wearing sleeves, man. They had me tore up. Anybody from Savannah, y'all ain't jumping the chat. And anybody from Savannah, the Charleston area, the Parris Island, the South Carolina, the, the, the, the, man, they had me on fire. Hey, listen, I'm with, I'm with you. Cause college was the hardest for me. Okay. Okay. Okay. As far as from a working standpoint, that's all I'm saying for the working standpoint, they get you up at five in the morning and they're running them heels and shh. Hey, man, we did, we put in some work partner. Like, you know, I, I, I, I, I 18 years old. You know, I, I, I didn't, you know, I had some hard working days in my younger days, but when I got to college, it was nothing like that from, oh man. Bill Davis told us, say, look, if you can't better yourself by coming to college, if the college, if you can't better yourself from college, if your situation at home is better than this, you had the wrong place. Hmm. That's the, that's the, you had the wrong place. Man, I couldn't go to Glenville, man, working that hard ass job. Man. I mean, I worked, I worked basically until like the last week, last week. Had to buy school clothes. Yeah. Yeah. What kind of job are you doing? I was working in the fields, man. At that time, my senior, cause the guy that I used to work for, Mr. Joe Tatum, he had stopped half planting tobacco. He had really transferred it to like puttwood and cutting down trees, logging. That situation. So he had grant, he had a move done from that. So that was like my junior year, he stopped that. And so I walked for a work for a guy up the road named Thurman Dasher. He had tobacco. So we still work with him and some of the crew that went with Thurman Dasher. My senior year, I did landscaping, pour that, laid asphalt, things like that. Yeah. So we landscaped and we had to be in Savannah. I lived in Glenville, which is 65 miles away. We had to be on the job. We had to be on the job. We had to be on the job like six, 37 o'clock. So what time I got to be, I got to be up early. So the guy, uh, uh, uh, Kim, I think was Tim, Tim Fair, one of the two, it was twin. I don't know. I forget which one it was. He would pick me up, drive down to Savannah. We landscaped and we pour out a layer of asphalt, do all kind of stuff. And then come back. When I got back home, I would shower, go straight, ride my bike to the park, play basketball or go to the, go to, go to the field and run sprints. My basketball, ride my bike back home or my sister would come pick me up. I put the, put the car, put the bike in a car and we'll go back home. I probably get home probably around 10. He going to come horn going to blow probably by really, he didn't really blow. Cause I was already out in the porch cause my grandmom never might be sleeping. Somebody was sleeping. So I was already sitting on the porch waiting for probably about five 30. Cause six 30, six 45. Find a lawnmower up. Oh, Joe. Ready to go. Ready to go. Hey, that type of, that type of worked up. Bill Carrington, boy. It built something. Hey, my granddad used to say rise and shine. My uncle said he told him one day I'm a rise, but that day I'm showing go shine. Hey, but I just, what I do, that's what I do. When I was like, man, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like But I just, what I do, that's what I do. When I was like, man, and I'm looking at cause I'm the youngest. I'm 18 just turned 18. And I'm working that. And I see guys 28, 30, 35 doing the jobs that I have been doing. I said, man, ain't no way in hell I'm doing this. The rest of my life. Oh hell no. With no insurance. And you don't have to get the demand and had to sign for you. Okay. You don't have to, you know, you don't been on the bed. They done signed for you. Well, I ain't going to be able to make it to work today. All right. Well, go ahead and send me the keys. Yeah. He's having a car. So you get the truck key. You can't go nowhere. Right. I'll be out there in a minute. I see, man, that didn't know kind of life. Man, I ain't left that. Hey, listen, that's, that's why I'm like you. I worked at UPS when I was 18. I was in high school and I should see all them old dudes in that Easter out. They all had back breaks. They like, Joe, you need to get your back break. I'm like, back break. Shit, this temporary. I don't play exactly. I ain't gonna be long here alone with them to have no back. No back problems. I promise you that. Hey, I'm pretty good about it. I ain't gonna get nothing but probably a good month out of me. If that I'm getting up out of here, I'm going to school. Yeah. I ain't, what, what? Hey, Joe, man, look here. Them Joe could be drinking. They be drinking that white pork. Man. TJ Swan. They got to get them big, them big cans. Joe, you, oh Joe, you remember the big cans, O.E.? Yeah. The can by this big. O.E. What's that? That's my liquor. My liquor. Slits was the bull. They used to have commercials. They used to have commercials for Slits Mot Liquor Bull. They used to have. Oh, the candy. O.E. 800. Yeah. The can silver. And the other one, the other one got a glass, a glass bottle. Big. I'm talking about big. I'm talking about, they had to be 24 ounces. Hold on. Look at what's in them. Let me see. They put it in the paper bag, right? The brown paper bag. Yes. Yes. Hey, look, O.E. My freshman year of college, my roommate Larry Satcher, bro. This man used to drink 240 ounces every night of O.E. Mind you, we both 18. I'm like, bro, how is you? But I'm talking about, he cut up though. Okay, O.E. Boy probably got five, six body fat, percent body fat. Man, drink an O.E. every night, 240 ounces. Yeah. See that was the can, the big can was 24 ounces. The bottle, that big old glass bottle, Joe, that was the 40 ounce. That's what he had. He drank two of them, bro. We were sitting in the living room every night, I swear. And chop it up. He used to drink two Ocho. Damn. They had a Coke 45. You remember the Coke 45? Yeah. See, they don't really have the commercials like they used to have. Because you used to have commercials all the time. Sliz Malt liquor, O.E., that Coke 45, Paps Blue Ribbon. Yeah, yeah. They had all the commercials on. They used to have, and so, and them Joe would get drunk out there, Ocho. We ended up leaving. They go fall asleep in the woods. Man, look, man, look, what? They get drunk and fall asleep in the woods. Yeah. Fall asleep in the woods. Ain't, ain't, ain't nothing out there. No predators, nothing. Hey, all I know is they'll be on that damn truck the next morning. So I don't know what happened. They about to hitchhike a ride back, hitchhike a ride. Because everybody knew everybody from Glenville. Right. And so if it's somebody from Glenville, hey, what you, hey, I'm, you just catch a ride. I ain't never been no big, I ain't never been no big drink at all. No, but, but I just, hey, hey, boy, give me a big, give a, I was a little fella. I go in there, hey, you know, you're not supposed to sell. Man, I go in there, get them Joe, hey, they don't want to get off the truck. They ain't want to do nothing. Right. Hey, they give me, they give me money. I go in there, get them a beer. I go get a cigarette. I get everything I want. Get anything. They sell it to me. I was six, seven years old. Buy an, buy an oldie, cold 45 cigarettes. Cause, hey, I was young. Hey, I jumped out off the truck and go get some for you. Hey, hey, hey, AP we go get me a, go get me a slits or they had a tap cause Mr. Joe would work the corner store, Christine sap her and her husband and they had a corner store. So you have a tab and then at the end of the week when he pay you, you straighten up. So, you know, guys will get hot dog, get beer, get whatever they want. Hey, I go in there and say, Hey, put this on such and such tab, big old beer, cigarettes, come out there, hand it to him. There was the days, you know, I'm not going to a couple of cigarettes back in the day. You know, Hey, hey, hey, when you put a look, look, he say you smoke the couple of cigarettes. Hey, your girl, Miss Mary, no, you smoke. No, you ain't going to tell her. Hey, hey, hey, I might have pulled off one too. My mama gives a cigarette to go light the fireworks. Yeah, I'm going to pull up out that thing. You took a little puff on that thing. Just see what it is. My mama smoked them Salem Slims, the Martha Lights. That's what my mom smoked in the green pack. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My grandma used to smoke Benson and Hedges. Remember Benson and Hedges? Yeah, I know Benson and Hedges. Yeah, grandma used to smoke one. Yeah, that was my, my, my uncle them smoked Winston. Winston tastes good like a cigarette shoe. I don't, they don't even have, they don't even have cigarette commercials anymore. No, sir. But when I was in the 70s, in the 70s, in the 80s, that's all you saw. Yeah. Beer and cigarette commercials. Yeah. Hey, I wanted, I wanted to cigarette and beer sales are still just as good as they were back then, even though they don't advertise it and marketing it as much as they do now. I bet you something. It's up there. Because guess what? You're sporting a bit. And that should, you can't have a, you can't have a cook out. You can't have a tailgate event without no beer, oh, Joe. Without beer, yeah. But they don't even need commercials no more basically. They don't, they don't. And I think, I think they probably passed a lot of, they can't advertise. Because back then, 18 years old, you could buy beer and smoke cigarettes. Yeah. But then it kind of shifted a little bit. People started dipping more. The Skoll came out, the Pouchless tobacco came out. Or the essence of they put in their mouth, huh? Yeah, yeah. You know, what, my grandfather used to chew tobacco. He was that red man. My brother used to chew tobacco. He was like, he was a lead by Garrett guy. Both of my grandmothers dipped snuff. I done dipped snuff, did I on it. Leave her on the country. Yeah, man. Granted like that honeybee. And the brown, it was in a little tin can like this here. Had brown paper, had brown wrapping around it. Grandma Charlie liked Blue Naval and Bullet the Wood. So Bullet the Wood was like a square, square tobacco. You take a knife and cut piece of it off. More braving about tobacco. Don't worry about it. I'm gonna get me a little piece before we get to you. Hold on. You just put it in your mouth? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if they, I'm sure they still do dip snuff. But I don't know if grandparents dip snuff and chew tobacco like my grandparents did. Nah, nah. Okay, okay. Yeah, oh yeah. But I'm dealing with the day. You said me to get somebody got to get me a little something too. Yeah. Yeah. But my granite, granite, uh, choose red man and boy go, uh, honeybee. That was the name of the snuff, honeybee. Um, boy bring me some, bring me some snuff back. All right. Boy dealing with the day. I look back on that. I'm gonna call Spaget the Marseille man. Spaget, you remember we used to, uh, dip brandy snuff. Man, look, hey, hey, boy look, I got some story. Me and the homies went to the, we snuck out the house one night. Uncle Ocho probably about 1 32 o'clock in the morning. And the winning got some black and mild. We had never smoked no black and mild. We got some black and mild. We walking back to the house. My grandma got a green, she had a green crown Vic. I seen that green crown Vic coming. I said, I know they my grandma coming. We walking and smoking like we grown. Boy, we see a once I knew my girl, you should see we stopped. We just threw him. We threw him. Right. So she said, get your ass in this car. It's two o'clock in the morning. We probably ain't but 15. Man, soon we got in the car. She said, y'all been smoking dope. I said, man. I said, nobody been smoking dope. No, she said, I'm telling her, I'm telling your uncle's on you. Yeah. You thought about some guys getting right. Yeah. Hey, I remember, hey, Joe, I don't know. I don't know if they had, we all from uncle Joe. Y'all remember Beaties? Little Beaties. It's like, damn, I don't know how to explain it, man. I used to get them from the corner. So what word? What word? It's like almost like a cigar, like a black and mild, but it's real, real thin. I think I know somebody who used to smoke something. Yes. Somebody in the chat got to know what Beaties are. I just smoked them before, before I understood, you know, you know, what cigars were at that time. Yeah. Well, my grandfather, I think that's where my brother get it from. That's where my brother likes cigars. My grandfather, like, my grandfather smoked cigars and he had pipe tobacco. You know what I'm saying? So you, that, that pops tobacco, you had a pipe, you had a pipe, pipe, that you dip it up out of there and pack it down up in there. So he smoked, he spoke from a pipe and, and he smoked cigars. 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