Lamborghini Diablo: Never Before Seen Photos Revealed
65 min
•Jan 7, 20265 months agoSummary
Spike's Car Radio hosts discuss holiday driving experiences, press cars including a Rivian and Bentley Bentayga Speed, and reveal never-before-seen design documents from the Lamborghini Diablo's development by Chrysler designers in Michigan before being sent to Italy.
Insights
- Chrysler's American design team created the Diablo's final form, but Italian design legend Marcelo Gandini received sole credit after the car was completed—a deliberate branding decision to protect Lamborghini's prestige
- High-performance vehicles require extensive iterative design decisions (100+ photographs of details like key design, brake light placement, sill modifications) that lock in once tooling models ship
- Luxury SUVs like the Bentayga Speed and Rivian Quad are gaining traction among affluent drivers for their capability in poor weather and off-road conditions, challenging traditional sports car preferences
- Patent filings by Porsche for color-changing paint and performance-limiting hand-position detection reveal automakers exploring AI-driven personalization and safety governance, though hosts express skepticism about implementation
- Underground automotive communities (Angeles Crest, illegal photo shoots) continue to attract skilled drivers and influencers, creating liability and safety concerns that outpace regulatory enforcement
Trends
Luxury automakers (Bentley, Porsche) filing patents for AI-driven vehicle personalization and driver monitoring systemsElectric vehicle adoption among affluent families for practical reasons (lower fuel costs, charging at home) rather than environmental ideologyResurgence of lightweight, high-power-to-weight-ratio vehicles (Rocket Tier Mazda MX-5 with V6) as alternatives to modern supercarsShift from sports cars to capable SUVs (Bentayga Speed, Rivian Quad) for lifestyle-oriented wealthy drivers managing family logisticsDesign-by-committee tensions between American and Italian automotive design philosophies in multinational car developmentIncreased scrutiny of dangerous driving locations (Angeles Crest) following high-profile fatalities among automotive influencers and wealthy enthusiastsMotorcycle collecting as status symbol and asset class among high-net-worth individuals, including those with criminal connectionsModular garage flooring and organization systems gaining adoption among car enthusiasts as DIY solutions
Topics
Lamborghini Diablo design history and Chrysler's role in final developmentLuxury SUV performance and capability (Bentley Bentayga Speed, Rivian Quad)Electric vehicle adoption among affluent familiesPorsche patent filings for color-changing paint and performance limitingDangerous driving on Angeles Crest Highway and road safetyLightweight sports cars and power-to-weight ratiosAutomotive design decision-making and tooling constraintsMotorcycle collecting and valuationGarage organization and flooring systemsBorder crossing vehicle selection and Sentry program requirementsBentley design direction under Frank VollisterFerrari and Bentley ownership aspirationsPress car evaluation and real-world testingAutomotive influencer culture and liabilityArt market and gallery operations
Companies
Lamborghini
Subject of extensive design history discussion; Chrysler-owned during Diablo development in late 1980s
Chrysler
Owned Lamborghini and assigned American design team to create Diablo alternative to Marcelo Gandini's proposal
Porsche
Filing patents for color-changing paint technology and hand-position-based performance limiting systems
Bentley
Host driving Bentayga Speed press car; discussed as luxury SUV alternative with new design direction under Frank Voll...
Rivian
Host testing Rivian Quad SUV with tunable performance parameters; R2 model anticipated for 2026
BMW
Recalled 36,000 SUVs for steering wheel malfunction software issue
Subaru
Sending Solterra electric vehicle to show for evaluation; Dom from Subaru coordinating press car delivery
Chevrolet
Equinox RS electric vehicle being delivered to host's son; 400+ horsepower performance specs discussed
Tesla
Host owns Model Y; mentioned in context of family vehicle fleet
Rocket Tier
Manufacturer of V6-powered Mazda MX-5 variants with Ferrari F40-equivalent power-to-weight ratio
Motor Trend
Received $10,000 fine for unpermitted photo shoot on Angeles Crest; collaborated on PSA about dangerous driving
Road Rat Magazine
Published article on Lamborghini Diablo design history with never-before-seen photographs from Chrysler archives
Willow Springs
Track facility mentioned as safe alternative to public road racing on Angeles Crest
People
Tom Gale
Led American design team that created Diablo's final form; provided 100+ photographs of design process to host
Marcelo Gandini
Original Countach designer; proposed Diablo successor that Chrysler rejected; received sole design credit despite Ame...
Bill Dayton
Sent to Italy to protect Diablo tooling model and ensure American design wasn't reverted to Gandini's proposal
Frank Vollister
New leadership at Bentley attracting former Porsche enthusiasts with fresh design direction
Giles Taylor
Former Rolls Royce design chief; provided colorful critique of Bentayga's appearance using fishing metaphor
Tommy Kendall
Raced with Paul Newman; frequent restaurant companion; known for Cadillac chicken car restoration project
Ryan Wedding
FBI Most Wanted; allegedly protected by Mexican cartel; $40M motorcycle and art collection seized
Jerry
Frequent reference in discussions about car ownership, inheritance plans, and restaurant visits
Dom
Coordinating delivery of Subaru Solterra and other electric vehicles for show evaluation
Farrah
Drove Bentayga Speed before host; frequent dinner companion and automotive enthusiast
Quotes
"I'm going to take responsibility for the fact that I love this car. This car was such a freeway crusher. It's so powerful. It is so comfortable."
Host discussing 2020 BMW M3•Early in episode
"The world has changed since 1998. Has Mexico changed? Well, in many ways."
Zuckerman responding to host's concerns about driving luxury cars to Mexico•Early segment
"When you go fishing and you get a fish on the deck of the boat, it's that moment between life and death. That's the Bentayga."
Giles Taylor (Rolls Royce design chief) describing Bentayga's appearance•Bentayga discussion
"These pictures have never been seen. Tom told me the story 10 years ago. Gandini's died. And a lot of the guys, the American guys that designed this are starting to die."
Host explaining significance of Diablo design documents•Diablo segment
"I don't want any, I don't want, because that's what this is. You know, those little, those little reminders to look forward if you're looking away sometimes are happening in regular production cars. Even when you're not in self-driving mode and you're, and I get very resentful, like leave me alone."
Johnny Lieberman on Porsche's proposed hand-position performance limiting•Porsche patent discussion
Full Transcript
Here we are. We're back for a show the new year with these guys. How are your holidays, fellas? Did you enjoy yourself? You drove to Mexico. What did you drive to Mexico? I drove my son's 2020 M3C. It's in the background. M2C-S. Wow. Oh yeah. I don't know if you remember when we were becoming friendly, I had a press car and I sat you in it and I said, you got to get this car. So you're taking responsibility for him buying it or delgiving it. Full credit. I'm going to take responsibility for the fact that I love this car. This car was such a freeway crusher. It's so powerful. It is so comfortable. Why did you choose it? I mean, I guess these are all the reasons. Okay. I had to get on the Sentry. There's a Sentry lane. So Sentry is a special lane that I go through with my global pass. Okay. And this is when you're crossing the border. When I'm crossing back north of the border, I want to be in a Sentry lane. And I want to have a car that fits within the rider, which goes up to a certain amount of dollars. So if I go, so this was the most modern car of the right price to go onto the Sentry program and get through. I'm always surprised that you'll choose a car that has that sort of plumage, that sort of color. Like to me, if I'm going to Mexico, I'm trying to blend in a little more, but you're completely the opposite. Guess what? You don't seem to worry that you're driving that down there. And it's in two series. And this paranoia, I think is born out of, you know, my cars, my C2S was stolen in 98 and they took it right down to Mexico. And I always felt like, if I ever go down there, I don't want to drive things that might get stolen or might stand out like that, but you don't have a problem with that. Well, a couple things. One, the world has changed since 1998. Yeah. Has Mexico changed? Well, in many ways. But I tell you, I have this argument with my wife. She says, why are you taking that car? And I said, you're more likely to get in trouble in your Ford F-150 Raptor. Really? That's a car that people want down there. Nobody, they want a pickup truck. They want that Raptor. They want to have guys in the back with the AKs and that thing. And they don't want a blue. Yeah. I actually think. But what about the attention you get from the police? I mean, the same could be said about driving a car like that here on our highways. You might get a little more attention from local law enforcement. I've always found with local law enforcement, they're their car guys. They love, if I get pulled over, they love cars. And then there is a certain understanding that we will arrive at depending upon the veracity in my opinion of the charges being leveled upon me. Do they still take cash? Of course. And so, so you have had incidents. Yeah, but it's very easy to deal with. It's very transactional. And then I speak enough Spanish. But what can you tell us a little more about that? Give us an example of one. You get pulled over. You maybe you're going a little quick. Okay. Sometimes you get pulled over. Once they get pulled over for no reason. Okay. So then I just stood there and the way it's supposed to work there is if they give you a ticket there, they're supposed to have you follow them to the local court and you pay that ticket, which is like three whole dollars. And so they they they depend upon some of the bad ones that is there. I like a lot of the cops down there, but the bad ones will wait for the gringo to get nervous and start making suggestions. The police officer themselves, they will never ask you first. You have to bring it up with them. So they wait there for a while to see if you're nervous. And and then you do I stand there. Yeah. And then they start to wonder why I'm just standing there and I'm not reacting. And then they'll start to ask you a question. Okay. Where do you live? And I say you'll live over here in Mexico by a mission. Right. And then and then they say, what do you do? So I have a car and then I stand there and then so you tell them you're a lawyer and I tell them I live there and then that kind of gets a little bit. Hmm. And then they start to think and then we have a little more conversation. And usually if you're patient enough and you haven't really done anything wrong, they're going to let you go. Hmm. Then if you have done something wrong, which I have done once or twice, then a little bit of cash, a little bit of murder, you say, okay, yo quiero pago aquí. You know, you know, and then and then there's and then they'll say, you know, like something crazy like $100 and then you go tango $100. Like you laugh at that. And then it's like, eventually you get to $20 and I'd much rather have. So you won't just throw out the hundred. I've seen you throw that out at the valets up in Pebble Beach. You're just like you're throwing at them. Those guys deserve it. Those guys deserve it and more. They're providing a service. I see. Okay. I do. Okay. The guy with the gun does not hurt. Okay. You don't get some most tip out of me. Yeah. You know who the poor fool that has to stand in the bathroom, the bathroom attendant guy, that guy. Really? I was at a restaurant in Beverly Hills and this poor guy is standing in the bathroom. Worst job. He's clearly come from Central America. He hung on the top of that fucking train. Yeah. The death train. He risked his entire fucking life. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. To get to the promised land. And of course, he does get a job in Beverly Hills. Unfortunately, it's in the fucking bathroom where people are carrying it. So that's the guy. Oh, I looked at this poor guy standing there in the noises and he's standing in the towel. And he's working. And he's working hard. But he's working hard. He deserves the money. That's nice. He's a hundred dollars. He's 200. Just take the money. There's no, the world shouldn't work this way. What? Do we still need a mint room? We definitely do. Yeah. Do? What do you mean? No. Okay. If he, Master, Masteros used to have one in Beverly Hills. Yeah, but that guy was smart. He had the tip jar. He had the tip jar that he seeded with some money to make it look. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give you the clue. But I always took. This poor guy didn't have that. Oh, he had nothing. But was he there to give you the towel after you washed your hands? He gave you the towel. And the mint, I find one of the most important if you're at one of those dinners. But you don't need any of that. Plus you can get a mint when you're leaving. There's a bowl of mints at that door. I haven't seen one of these guys in a long time. I don't want to shitmints. I don't want shitmints. So I don't want food in the mint. You can have all the shitmints. You can have the all of my entire allotment of shitmints. Look at how happy he just got. You got a shitmint. 1000% right. In fact, the bathroom should be in a separate building. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How much I wonder is there molecular fecal contamination in a bathroom? Can you smell it? Smell it. Smell it. If you smell it, it's real. If you smell it, you're smelling it. Well, the mint's coming in little packages. Yeah. So you want to touch the shit that you put in your mouth. And if you take your dick skinners, then you touch the shit packaging, cellophane, and put it in your mouth. Wow. Especially after grabbing the door handle, the whole thing. Yeah. Unless you're eating in the toilet. This guy, I can't give enough money to this guy. Okay. We've established that. Johnny, how was your holiday? Peaceful. Peaceful. What did you do? I ended up in a bathroom with Zuckerman. Hey, do you have a nice trip? What car did you drive? And the dick skin is like what? Johnny, please. Wife and Child were in Florida. And I would get the twice-dealy phone call about how my wife could not be more miserable being with her in-laws or her parents. Yeah. We heard some of that. Yeah. And but I was at home. I baked a lot of bread. I went out to dinner and nice dinners every night with friends. Oh, that's nice. I probably gained another 20 pounds. That's okay. Good. Yeah. There's a shot now. Whenever you want to lose it all, you just do it. I know. I got to get on that. I got to get on that. It's time. I'm on a new challenge. What's that? If he can get a three in front of his weight, that's more interesting than losing weight at this weight. If there's a Simpsons episode about that, it's not good. Yeah. Homer has to get over 300 pounds to get this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going in the same direction. As his age, he'll die. Yeah. I know. You don't care about my age. I'm not young, but I had some banger meals, man. I went to this place, Felix. Yeah. Did you go with people? Did you go with people who know how to die? Yes. Did you bring your spaghetti friend? Yes. Well, we went for spaghetti, but I went with Farrah and Tommy Kendall. Yeah. And it was great. Oh, it's great. I went to... Tommy Kendall must just hang out in restaurants because I ran into him at Zink Cafe with Jerry the other day. His wife is a real foodie. She's a real foodie. There you go. He's always good though because he's got good race car stories right off the cuff. Best. And he's got that Cadillac chicken car. And I always ask about that. You know, he's always got some new updates about it. He raced with Paul Newman. Do you know that? Yeah. Okay. And then the other one I got to just plug in this place. It's called Dal Ray. It's a steak house. You really have to plug one. Yeah. It's just so great. It's just so great. It's in Pico Rivera. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. It's just a classic L.A. steak house. Yeah. Like Clearmage. What is that Weigu place that you were going to tell me about? Oh, that was good. Dude, that was... It's in Torrance, right? Yeah. That's... It's called the... I'm not supposed to talk about it, but... Don't talk about it. It's the Weigu butcher and it's Omikossi steak place. Why can't you talk about it? Because there's no one in there. And if we talk about it, then there's going to be people in there. I see. All right. I'm going there. Anyway, what about cars? Are you driving any good press cars? I had... I did a no-press car December, but then through happenstance, a Rivian quad happened to show up. And that's what's behind us there. And we've already covered that car show. But do you like it? You know, there's that thing, the Rad tuner, where you kind of control 10 different performance parameters. So my thing with the SUV is it's got 15 inches of less wheelbase than the truck. And so to me, it's never drove as good as the truck. I figured out, I sat there and tuned it. I figured out how to make it drive like the truck. Awesome. Yeah, it's pretty good. Touch a button. Awesome. And we covered it last week, but I have the Bentley up and take a speed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is brutal. How much power though? Pump-free drove and he goes, this is like a Hellcat. That's the perfect line. But how much power? It's a 649 horsepower somewhere in there. 1025 horsepower. Yeah, but again, no, I'm not putting these cars against each other. I'm just telling you about the this the Bantega speed for 450 grand. Yeah, it's an insane combination of beautiful things. I really love this thing. Except for the exterior. It's one of the... I don't mind it. You know, and I think I talked about this last week and I'm going to tell you guys, I'm going to make a declaration for 2026. There are two things now that I've got my eye on and the Bentley may not come, but I'm going to buy a Bentley at some point. Yeah, really. I'm going to be a Bentley guy. Yeah, yeah, Bentley's are great. Maybe when I get past 65. And I'm going to be a Ferrari guy. Close enough. It's time for another Ferrari. Those two things are in my orbit for the next few years. Just don't get a Bantega. There was a guy... I wouldn't get that. What would you get? A flying spur. Yeah. Oh, how about a Mulsanne? My friend just got a Mulsanne. Continental speed is coming in. I'm going to drive that. Mulsanne. Mulsanne. Maybe. They're cheaper than a flying spur and they're better. I don't know. I'd have to drive them, but I just love everything Bentley's doing right now. I'm really into this thing, but it's not for me. That's not my car. It's funny. So my friend... You know, it's the comfort level and then the undercarriage of the Porsche you can... Packages by Expedia. You were made to occasionally take the hard route to the top of the Eiffel Tower. We were made to easily bundle your trip. Expedia made to travel. Flight inclusive packages are at all protected. Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs. 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Really? Yeah. It is an excellent thing. And when Farah drove it before me, he goes, this thing's outstanding. And then they delivered it and I went, how can this be outstanding? And you get it and it's not as comfortable as the flying spur or the continental, but then you use it through what we just went through. Like I'm barreling around the corner in the dark and I went through a mudslide and it just blasts through. And then coming here in the 405, you know, there was a Taycan Turbo S and just dusted it, just laughing. I thought of you, it was just like, Zuckerman would take this to Mexico and just rule. It's just like an exceptional thing. Except the way it looks. The price point is what's a little offensive. Price points crazy. There was a guy, Giles Taylor, who's the head of the Cirno Giles. Yeah, he was the head of design for Rolls Royce. Of course. And you won't have a Ralph as the head of design for Rolls Royce. And we were drinking copious amounts of champagne, as you do. And he would start talking, I said, I was one of the Bintegas was new. I said, can you believe how that thing looks? Because it was shocking how ugly it was when it came out. And he goes, yeah, when you go fishing and you get a fish on the deck of the boat, it's that moment between life and death. He goes, that's the Bintegas. I was like, oh, check your mind. Giles was in the bathroom. No, no, it's got that look of like the eyes are kind of crossed. Like, mm-hmm. Yeah, it's not good looking. But again, using it, holidays, mother-in-law in town, we got to go places, raining, everybody's in it. Everybody's comfortable. That's so nice. That's how I feel about this Rivian is like drive through over anything. That's also really good too. Yeah, you should get. No, I know. I'm thinking about that. That's 130. Well, I mean, I only really need an R2 at this point. I've got now. I mean, in a month. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I know. But I've got, I'm in this interesting spot where now the second kid is getting his driver's license. He wants to get a car. He requested this Chevy Equinox RS. Oh, yeah, nice car. Yeah, nice car. Which Chevy is delivering this week. Nice car. He wants to try that. None of them, the kids don't want to pay for gas. So they think they just hook it up. Yeah, charge it at home. Free. Oh, it's free. And by the way, the RS is like 400-some horsepower. And then I reached out to Dom and I said, what's going on with the Uncharted? Dom from Subaru. And he goes, we're sending it open. Nice. He goes, as soon as we have it, we're going to send all our electrics out. So I go, that's just great to have anyways, because it's good for the show to have them on. And we're going to see. So I'm going to sample a lot of those super low level EVs and try them out. But I don't, at that point, I don't need much. Right. Because now I'm not driving kids around. The wife has her own car. Right. Why would I need the big Rivian when I get the little guy? Just three. Well, there are three that sadly, that's a couple years away, but the R2 is soon. Right. And it's what, 45,000 bucks. Well, for the single motor, there will be a 850 horsepower tri-motor version, which I think you're more interested in. But maybe. Yeah. I think you go back, I think you go back to a little Boxster S. I mean, why am I not just driving around in a single man's car at that point? Yeah. I don't know. I'm kind of done. Yeah. The kids are out the door. What if a grandkids shows up? But you got the, I've got the Model Y, I got the Subaru's with hatchbacks. I'm kind of set. Why do I need anything? You drive whatever the hell you want. That's right. That's what you do. Yeah. Yeah. This is very good. I'm looking forward to this next chapter. This is going to be excellent. Let's talk about our friends who are sponsoring the show. No, but it'll be very exciting. You know, I tried Bluetooth Go, by the way. Oh, and? Let's save it for that show. No, no, no, no. This is what they were, they're not in the show, but you have something to look forward to. Did you take it orally? I took it all and I did something I wasn't supposed to do. And talk myself, whatever you do, don't chew it. I go, I did. And I have some more for you. I had a whole packet for you and you gave it away. It's on my desk. It got stolen. Guys, my office. All right. Race Deck is the original modular flooring system, engineered for the garage with over 33 patents, probably made in the USA. By the way, the guys at 1900 Ice Cream, Porsche guy, sent me the picture of his garage with his new Race Deck. Thank you, 1900 Ice Cream. They've been fans forever and they have a new Race Deck floor. They did my floor, like the hanger. And it's, it's absolutely beautiful. How do you make Race Deck Ice Cream? Race Deck Ice Cream, well, now it's going to come to us. Installs in just a few hours without toxic epoxy coating, adhesive mess. 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I politely don't bring it up because I thought it was a deal that had gone wrong a long time ago. So did I. A few hours later he sends him pictures of the interior all done. Yeah. And there it is. So he gets these pictures Zuckerman a couple hours later. But the revelation of course is the 914 is alive and well and yeah, he told me give me a couple months. So he's saying Q1 of 26, which is what we're in. Okay. Now he's had it since Q4 of 2019. He sure he didn't say give me a couple of decades. Are you sure it was months? I was like, you know, I told the story, but basically, you know, fighting with the wife about money and she ends the argument with, oh yeah, what about all the money you spent on that car? You don't have. So I said, sigh. And I sat there and I texted the guy like a nice text like what's it going to take man? Like where are we at? And he was just apologetic and said, look, after seven years, geez, I guess it's time for me to say sorry. But he said these are finally done. They're going in. I am. I have got to say, Johnny, I am stunned that you did not lose your temper with this guy in seven years. I mean, I don't think either one of us would have put up with this. I consulted friends that we all know. And I said, what do I do? And they basically said, you can't win because, because unless you're really ready to like call a repo man and have him go get it or, right, or get litigious, all Porsche shops talk to each other in some way and you will be the guy that like messed up a guy's life. And even if you're in the right, do you agree with that? I don't agree with that. I can't imagine a guy who's, you know, he said, even if you're in the right, you know, like, like politics, 50% of the people will just hate what you're doing no matter what. Maybe. And so he said, and he also said, do you have money to get it out of there and bring it to me? And I said, I don't because I took that money I had, I gave it to him. That's, that's the problem. But it ended up working out. I think it's going to work out. One with Dink, he would leave me could go with that claw hand of his and just put it around the guy's neck and that's right. From his feet of strength. But it all worked out. And now it looks like, and all it was was a simple inquiry and you were very patient and you didn't really care. And you're like, well, I'm not giving this guy a ton of money to do it. So I can't demand premium quick delivery. Were you in a town? I gave him, you know, were you in your 30s when this started? No, no, no, my 50s. But I've given cars, you know, when I had the 73 RS and the engine blew right after Jerry sold it to me. Titanium, everything and people would yell junk that piece of shit on the road. It was smoking so much. I gave it to someone because I had other cars to drive and I was working a lot. I was just like, I gave it to a guy, go look, I don't want to pay a fortune for this, but take your time with it. I don't care if you, if you do it in a year, you rebuild it two years, it's fine. And it was just on a slower trajectory and he worked on it on the weekends and it got done right. And I didn't have to pay as much as I would have paid if I had said, get this done in five months. And to defend this guy a little bit, it's exactly the same thing was when I brought it to him, he said, Hey, for a lot of reasons, we're going to do bubble like, like I'll do it like at my cost. Right. Right. I'm going to charge you full kitty. Now, again, was it, was there, you know, five figures of money exchange? Like, yes, it was not. So this is a full resto. Is this is going to be, I don't want to say full, but it's like, it's getting it to like, it's going to have a nice interior. It has a nice paint job and it's going to drive nice. Yeah. You're rebuilding the engine. I want to forward to this. The engine has been redone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Transmission. Yeah. Apparently everything worked. I never, it was a friend of mine, the car belonged to a friend of mine who died and I pulled it out of his dead garage and you know, it was, that's a whole story into itself. You know, it's gonna happen. If he dies, we've got to get rid of this car. I'm not taking that guy car. Yeah. No. Well, you've got a half a dozen of them right now. Orange one right behind you is a dead guy car. That's true. That's true. Yeah. I'm going to see dead friend. I'm not taking dead friend car. Dead friends car. I would take a dead dad's car. Like your dad dies and the son takes it. I think that's okay. But I might agree with you that I don't want a dead friend's car. Because the car. When Jerry goes, you're obviously getting something. All right. It's a good point. Yeah. It's a valid point. Hopefully we're all getting a little something. Wait, what? You think we're getting something? We're not getting anything. Trust me. Oh, no. No. There's going to be people that are going to say, okay, okay. There's going to be a few people that say no. Jerry did entertain a, you know, over cigar smoke. Go ahead, pick a car. When I die, I'll give you this. But I don't think he followed through on that. Wouldn't that be funny? And by the way, my car was the 917 and it's already. That's why he sold it. I want the car I found for you. I think I picked this. I think I picked this car. He's already got it. That's why he sold the 917. Then I said, then I said the second one and I guess we have this conversation a lot with him was the Contessa car. The 3506. Oh, the Contessa car is so good. That was on Doheny that we found together. Oh, that car is so good. Yeah, that car is the one I want. That's also the one I want. What about the car I found that one too? I just say history. What about the car that a guy died in? I mean, they have those cars. Yeah, you get them on the cheese. Yeah. That doesn't, it's like a house. If someone dies in a house, it doesn't be a car that we talked to years ago. What car were we talking about where someone had impaled themselves on the steering shaft of the car? Well, yeah, this car was a car we owned or Jerry owned or somebody did. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, 356s do not have the classical, you know, steering. Oh, I can attest to that. Well, speaking of crashes, over the break, there was a wonderful crash that I'd love to show Zuckerman right here. Headphones, please. There it is. Driver flung through a car window and into pool. Where was this? Texas, Cameron? I thought it was Vegas. Nevada in Laughlin, Nevada at Cletus Reed's house. He's getting ready to use his hot tub when this happens. Now watch, watch the slow mo. That's the driver. This is fantastic. That's so good. Now he was heating up his hot tub inside and changing into his bathing suit. And then here's the thing. And he goes, oh, geez, is she dead? No, she's not. This is one of those situations, Zuckerman, where God is protecting the drunks. Yeah. God is protecting this drunk. No one likes to hear this, but like 92% of fatalities involve unbelted drunks. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. But never, never seen it. Is this first backpack getting up? Or is it? Oh, there she is. She's starting to moan now. How is she floating that long too? It's an impressive look. There she is swimming. She, I think she's on the little step there. That's insane. And now this guy's got to deal with this drunken idiot. Wow. Zuckerman, tell us what happens from this moment out. Well, there's, the errand is your problem because you're going to have to deal with her car insurance, which probably has insufficient limits to pay for the kind of damage that's been done to your house. Then you're going to deal with your own homeowner's insurance. Then you're going to, there he goes to rescue her. Yes. You've just got the biggest pain in the ass. Does she get arrested? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. She got, he calls the cops. He's got it right. If she was sober, does she get arrested? Probably not. Okay. If she was sober and she wasn't driving recklessly, let's see somebody else hit her. Yeah. Let's see. The drunk hits her. She ends up in the pool. It's pretty amazing that she has that landing. Look, there they are. They're pulling. Imagine the damn, okay. And let me tell you what's going to happen. They're doing more damage to him. All he wanted to do was say, God, thank God he's not in the hot tub, right? But this is what the promise is. The hot tub needs to be replaced probably. The insurance company is going to go, no, we think it's okay. And then you're caught in that world. Wow. That's in, I mean, the odds of that happening because I know that's the other thing. She could have gone up. Yeah. She happened to go down into a pool and not drink. I wonder if you invite her over on a yearly basis to have a little barbecue. Well, if she were to sober up someday and come back and make amends, then you could get in the hot tub together and go, isn't this a little better? Yeah. Just us sitting there maybe having a nice little snack rather than you plunging in from the darkness and smashing my canopy. There was a Buick? What was really moving? It looks like a little Buick. I don't know. Yeah, whatever. That's just a shocking piece of video. I know the other video that you were talking about, which is the video of the guy you offed yourself in our favorite place. Well, in our favorite place, Angeles Crest. It's the one spot. It's the one spot. I always tell people, I go, look, if you're coming down the tunnels, like beyond the brakes in the second tunnel. But again, look, I don't want to keep being right about Angeles Crest, but I continue to be right about it, that it is one of the most dangerous roads in America, that there's a lot of bad examples of people driving there. And these people think they, because they buy the car, they know how to drive. Can it provide you with data that shows it? Yet again, we have another, we have another fatality. I'll just give you my anecdotal experience. I drove up there one time in 2006 or so. Yeah. I said, I'm not going back up there. I don't like the week. It's great. But you're a skilled driver. You have a set of talents, even though you don't look like it. Thanks. But you add that. Well, here's what I mean. Let me give you some context. You look like an everyman and people relate to you in an everyman way. And then they see you drive, I think, sometimes, not that this is your fault. But then they go, I can drive like that too. And, you know, Matt Fair is a guy like that. Fair is a very good driver. But he's a very good driver. He's got a racing license. Hell, I have a racing license, but I know the limits of my driving experience. But I think there are a bunch of people who think, well, I have the car and I've taken a couple turns and now I think I can drive anywhere. And that's a very technical road with a lot of loose pavement and a lot of death. Can I tell you a funny story, though? Yeah. So we the they hate when you do unpermitted photo shoots up there. The park rangers go crazy. So right. Motor trend. We got a $10,000 fine. You're kidding me. What happens all the time? But with the we's a lot of it, which motor trends also get at, we said, hey, we can do a PSA about like, don't drive fast on Angelus Crest. And I and they asked me to do it. I said, absolutely not. I'd be such a hypocrite. Like, no, we did one, but they gave us all the stats. I have a state report on like deaths per mile. It's almost none. Like it's a very safe. The Angelus Crest is a very safe road. GMA. Except for all the death. I guess it's not. It gets publicized. I'm not talking about statistically. You're probably right about this. I'm just saying I I'm getting tired of kind of cool people dying in cars. Yeah, you know what I mean? From our community, doing things that they shouldn't be doing on public roads. Agreed. I would just say like the most deaths were bikers, bicyclists, and then and then motorcyclists and then cars were very low. GMA was a high car fatality. So Glendora Mountain was a lot of death for whatever reason. But yeah, an unfortunate tragedy. It's sad to read that stuff. That one's a reason. He was going 180 though. No, there's also a moment when you watch this. What's and maybe I'm I'm reading it wrong, but there's a moment where the guys who were shooting it, there was a group of six or seven cars. Yeah, crashes, it burns and then a bunch of them take off. Yes. What was that? They don't want to look. I saw I was on and maybe they were participating in the filming. I was on Angelus Crest and I won't say the guy's name and I won't say the car. I'll tell you we're off the earth. But a guy behind me was doing some drifty stuff and like went up a mountain and flipped over and I saw it in my rear view and literally my first thought was get out of here, go. Yeah. And then it was like, okay, go back and deal with your dead friend. My first thought was like, just leave. I was up in a car, you know, and here's where I'm a hypocrite. I was with Tom Segura. We go blasting through a speed trap and he's behind me and the cops pull him over and I just took. Yeah. When Tom's texting he goes, I got a message for you from the police. I go, what is it? He goes, next time I'm coming after you. Not me. And he didn't even, he didn't get a ticket, but I did feel bad about that, but it made me laugh. No, no. They can't pull over two guys at once. There's a wonderful video though, back to that spot where the Ferrari crashed. Yeah. It's the Subaru Forester and this kid took his mom's car, went through the tunnels and it's just, he just starts, he loses it and then he does like a understeer action and starts going down the mountain and it's just his kid going, no, no, no. Oh, I've seen that. I've seen that video. Yeah. But that's where it happened. But anyway, come on. If you're going to go to Angeles Crest or any of these places, don't save it for the race track. Don't kill yourself. Save it for our friends at Willow Springs. They've opened up this car for you. And this car was a billionaire? Oh yeah. Yeah. You've sounded like Grand Theft Auto. Call of Duty. Call of Duty. Call of Duty guy. Yeah. Billionaire. But again though, PSA, if you see tunnels on Angeles Crest, hit the brake pedal. PSA is like, if you're going to Angeles Crest, don't race. Don't race, but the tunnels are the spot. A little spirited driving is fine, but you make a billion fucking dollars and then crash and kill yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about the balloon guy? Remember the billionaires and balloons that were actually... And then that was the segue guy went off the cliff in the segue. And then there was the shoe guy inhaling nitrous with candles all around. The guy that invented jogging died jogging. Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot. There's a lot of good portion news here. Well, what? I'd like to talk about that Diablo thing, I think. All right. Let's do that. All right. Oh, wow. Look at this. So you will notice a couple things here. Well, tell us what we're looking at. Did you write a piece on this for Motor Trend? 10 years ago, I was with a guy named Tom Gale. You know Tom Gale? He was the head of design for Chrysler. When Chrysler bought Lamborghini, they made him head of design for International. And go to the next... There was one of like a weird looking car parked next to a Kuntas. There we go. So this was the original Gandini proposal. So Marcelo Gandini designed the Kuntas. And they said, hey, design the successor. And this was what it was. And so when Chrysler bought them, they looked at this and said, eh, like, maybe we should come up with an alternative proposal. So if you go to... Before you go to the next page here, this is what I love about Italian workshops. That Zagato looks like this too. You just don't see a workshop like this. Well, that's the Lamborghini factory. Yeah. That's actually San Agustin. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean, Zuckerman? Like just that steel behind you and the glass and the red equipment and everything about this shot. It's just... We have other images where it's just surrounded by Kuntas. Also, this is about 87. So if you see the Kuntas on the other side, it's not a 25th anniversary. That hadn't even come out yet. So tasty. This is an 87. Love it. But you can see it's kind of an ugly car, which actually became the Chesetta Mordor or whatever it pronounced. So go to another one. Okay. Right here. So this was a concept of the Diablo that's the Chrysler Design Dome in Royal Oak, Michigan. So Tom had his team, who was also, by the way, in the article, he says, like, it was a lot of fun because one day you'd go to work and put on your baseball hat and drink a beer and design a viper because the viper was coming out. Next day, you'd put your ass gun on, go to work and you'd work on Diablo. And so they were simultaneously doing this. That other one, they'd requested that, again, Dini make some changes. He never made them. He was sort of like the maestro has spoken. Also, he knew he was also going to, if Chrysler didn't want it, he would sell it to this other company. And so go to the next one was what we saw, a white car. So that's the tooling model. So you see it says, tooling model prior to shipment to Sant'Agata, March of 88. So in other words, this was designed in Michigan, mailed to Italy. And then this guy, Bill Dayton, was sent to protect it to make sure that the Italians didn't revert back to Gandini. And these pictures have never been seen. Tom told me the story 10 years ago. Wow. And so I'm right. This is an article in this magazine, Road Rat. And the guy said, we're doing a 90s supercar issue. I said, man, I got the best story. Let me ask Tom. Since Tom told me about it, Gandini's died. And a lot of the guys, the American guys that designed this are starting to die. So Tom felt it was right. And Tom put a book together. He told me about it. He showed me one picture and he said, I have this book. I knew one day, you know, somebody would come calling and want to know the real story. But at the time, we thought we spent a lot of money buying Lamborghini. We thought that a Lamborghini customer, they wouldn't want a Lamborghini designed by the minivan people. You know, so we wanted to really protect the brand. But in a final kind of thumb in the eye after everything was built and completed, they slapped the Zinho Marcelo Gandini on it in Italy without telling anyone at Chrysler. Wow. And so the story has always been that Gandini designed it, but you can see it's in English. And if you go back to that one, wait, wait, wait, before you go off this picture, what am I looking at here? Where the glasses? What substance is this? This is a tooling model. So in other words, they take a clay and then it's made out of wood or metal. And so a tooling model car, all the jigs and the dies and everything that you use to actually create a car, you go back to this to measure. Is this part right? Okay. Does it fit on the tooling model? Is the tooling correct? And so they mailed this to Italy. And you can see in the background some engine covers. So they hadn't perfected what the engine cover was going to be yet. So those are different design proposals. But if you go and the handwriting is this guy Bill Dayton, but if you go back to the one with the sticky note cam for a second, so you can see in English, not in Italian, Gandini didn't speak a lick English and they wouldn't have made sticky notes in English. But I, you know, I've made extensive revisions to the lower sill area, blah, blah, blah. And so this is actually a Liai Cocca's villa in Tuscany. This is his driveway or his backyard, it was a pavement. And this was just, they were just a bunch of dudes sitting around looking at it. And actually had the Gandini car there too, which was a, but that point was a two-sided car. The passenger side became the Chiseta, the, sorry, the driver's side became the Chiseta. The passenger side became the Bugatti EB110. Oh really? He was just, they were really worried that he was going to sell this stuff. I can see that. And then you see a couple of hand drawn things. All right, this is, I love this. So this is, you can see it's 89 W Dayton, so Bill Dayton, P132 was the internal code for Diablo. And he drew this. Now, VT came out in 1993. That's when the Diablo went all-wheel drive. So back in 89, they already knew they were going to be doing that. And so he, you know, they drew this and keep going. Could just a couple more. Again, all in English, here's, that's a Jeep CJ7, whatever the sealed beam headlight is that's going to pop up. And go to the next one. This is great too. In your Lamborghini. Wow. This is great. So you can see they had to move the fog light out for some kind of homologation thing. Had to move it eight inches. They weren't using inches in Italy. They're using centimeters and millimeters. So it's all done in the US. You can keep going. There's a couple more really cool ones. Where are we going to put the third brake light? Here's four places we could put the third brake light. Oh, yeah. You know, the chimpsill. Right. What's the key going to look like? And this is, I mean, everything. And so Tom gave me this book of like 100 photographs that we scanned in. And it's just, it's fascinating. I don't know what to do with it. It made it into a magazine article, but there's so much that didn't make the magazine. Like these line drawings didn't make the magazine. I have so much of this stuff. It just shows you how, you know, it's such a big creative endeavor. It just reminds me of a script. There's so many decisions to make. And you don't know, like even just this key thing, you might go, well, if I choose the wrong key, that's going to become the whole story. I've shown this to like three Diablo owners. They're like, I fucking hate the Diablo. Yeah. Right. They screwed it up. Right. But you see what kind of pressure on these guys, because they don't really have a flexible fluid situation like we do with a script where we can re-edit, rewrite and the rest of it. They can do all that until the tooling model goes out the door. It just gets locked in and then you're stuck. Yeah. Yeah. And then everybody like us gets mad at them when they screw something up and goes, how could you make that decision? But you can see, because you're making millions of decisions. And if you go back to the white car, the tooling car for a second, just to show the date. So this was March of 88. The Diablo came out in 91. This is how long it takes to like, you know what I mean? To like gear up, you know, get a factory prime to make a car. Well, there you go. It's forever. And then where are we going to read this story? Road rat. It's the best magazine going. What issue? It's a current one, issue 22. Let's go to roadrat.com, buy it. It's a British magazine. There's a really cool article on a Bentley by Chris Harris. On the Bentley, I think it's the T, the Turbo T or whatever. It's a great issue. 90 supercars. Got everything. So fantastic. Yeah. It's cool. Since we're a Porsche-centric show, let's talk about some of that. Porsche wants to make paint color a thing of the past. Look at this story. So Porsche apparently has filed some sort of trademark patent bullshit for some sort of color changing paint that I believe, and this is the weird part, it uses cameras inside the car to see what color clothing you're wearing and then will adapt. Do I have that right? Special coding that changes color, which I love this idea. The system uses particle layers activated by electricity. Okay, BMWs, but we've seen this, I think, a little bit. Look at this. This is such an interesting example of an idea that they kind of get right. You're like, oh, this is cool. And then they have that, but it's got a key in on the guy's sweater. Number 22 and 23. But you know, 23 is his stomach. Question to you guys, would you, how would you use this? Would you really want it to key in on your sweater or would you want to choose the car's color in the morning? I would want to have a screen because we do this now with like, you know, ambient lighting inside of cars. Right, right. You pick the color. Right, right. It doesn't need to look at me. Never look at me. Exactly. Cars don't need to ever look at me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zuckerman, what do you think? Well, it reminds me, 30 years ago, they had those stupid t-shirts called Hypercolor. You put it on, change colors with your heat. The problem, transition sunglasses. Yeah. And the problem I have is that a lot of times these colors of this system, like LED lighting, the colors themselves don't comport to what my brain wants them to be or to hue or the tone or the look. So if it turned out looking like real paint, you know, like a real-assure blue or if it did, but somehow I think it's going to look off. I don't think it's kind of weird. And I've seen color shifting paint and it always just looks gimmicky. Right. That's my worry. I've never seen it. It's going to be a little gimmicky. I think it's going to be really cool for social media, but I can happily enjoy it on social media rather than having it in my garage. Remember when this orange car showed up and I was like in shock? Yeah. You know what I mean? I've never seen a color shifting car paint where I'm like, anything other than like, why would you do that? Yeah. But I mean, I like that they're doing it. I mean, I might do this with a Macan just for fun. It would make a Macan interesting. Well, certainly. And then you got to figure, then they're going to lose their little gig with paint to sample, which makes them so much money. So how much more are they going to charge for this shit? Yeah. Okay. So, but also think of all the money they'll make with colored sweater sales. Forget about that. Look at 22. I just put my dick out and show it to the camera. And then what is going to be a spam colored car? I'm just saying, look where they chose to. This isn't the only thing Porsche is up to. Top speed mode locks performance away from novice drivers in the smartest way. So this is another patent proposed by Porsche where I guess Porsche has had an issue with customers not being able to handle the power of its cars longer than most. And with the most famous example being the original 911 turbo that arrived in 1974, the widowmaker, right? When the driver's hands were appropriately placed at the top speed mode would be unlocked. So I guess this is saying, oh, so if you're not at nine and three, if you're holding a wheel, unsafe speed and maybe, you know how cars will do that right now. If you're not looking forward, it'll suddenly go, pay attention. This is, I guess, if you don't have your hands on the steering wheel at the right spot, you want to nine and three, but what do you think? So come on, and this open up the possibility for litigation if you're, you go for that speed and you needed it and you weren't able to find it and you get an accident. I mean, is there a danger to this? Do I really think that if you're driving at an unreasonable speed that your hand position is going to make all that difference? Oh, yeah. On a freeway, I'm not talking to racetrack, I'm talking, you're flying along on a freeway, driving unreasonably and the big difference is going to be nine and three. Yes. I don't think so. Well, I've had, I mean, look, I was, when I was going 240 miles an hour in a mid-diet and I had to turn the wheel, the problem is that you want to be at nine and three. Yeah, but you were in a controlled environment. Not that controlled. But do you really want your Porsche policing you like a angry mother? I don't want any, I don't want, because that's what this is. Yeah. You know, those little, those little reminders to look forward if you're looking away sometimes are happening in regular production cars. Even when you're not in self-driving mode and you're, and I get very resentful, like leave me alone. Yeah, no, I don't need that reminder. Like I said, I don't want cars looking at me paying attention to me. Yeah. This is a bad idea. Let them file the patent, but don't, don't use it. I'll tell you what's a good idea though. There's this car that I didn't know about that maybe you know about. Do you know about the Rocket Tier Mazda MX-5? Have you guys ever seen this car? Check this out. Apparently there's this company that's been stuffing V6 engines into MX-5 Miata's and this new one that they're making and they're only going to make a few of them has the same power to weight ratio of the Ferrari F40 and, and what are the cars? Go down lower. I think it said Lamborghini Huracan. Yeah. And McLaren 620R all, have you ever heard of these guys? No. Johnny, and I don't even know if you can get these in the US, but this piqued my interest is something that I might like to have in drive. So, a Rocket Tier. So, 850 kilograms is 2,000 pounds. Yeah. And 370 horsepower. That's pretty good. It's pretty good, right? That's pretty good. Are there any more pictures of this car? I'm going to add an original concept. They're stuffing big engine in a small car. I also kind of like the name the Rocket Tier. Like the weirdness and craziness of this whole idea. How do I like the Rocket Tier? Rocket Tier would be a little better. What is the camera thing? It could be cool. My thing is, you know, the camera will take anything. With the Miata. But look at how pretty these cars are. It just depends on how light that engine is because with the Miata, you know, it's the balance is really the thing. Right. And, you know, when you put a big mode, this is why like with Cobra's, right, the 427 made more power, the 209 was better to drive. It just was balanced, you know, and all the race drivers, yeah, they wanted the power for the big tracks where you needed a big straight power. But for like little tracks, you wanted the 289. So I'd have to drive it. I don't know. Yeah. Hey, man, what you drive on Miata, you drive a Subaru BRZ, a Toyota 86, all you do because of modern cars is think like, God, I wish this had some balls because they're very slow. We should have had some nuts. You know. All right. So let's talk about our friend today, guess what? Gold is at $50 million an ounce right now. Silver is right behind it. Where's acre silver, by the way? 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I don't think it does a wall to moving. Yeah, it sucks. But it sucks. But yeah, it sucks. Not good. Not good. Yeah, that's it. That's pretty close to his crotch. I can see. I can see an upside. Well, I guess that happy ending BMW. This is like the first recall I've seen that is really dangerous looking. Like a lot of them are just like, you know, the shock mount with the rubber may go. This one's like, ah. Yeah. There was a little thing with airpigs. Yeah, airbag. Your eyeball out. Just because they were turning the grenades. Yeah. Anyway, well, BMW is going to take care of it and everything will be fine. The FBI has released images of a motorcycle collection worth approximately 40 million dollars. This guy. Now, we talked about this guy a few weeks ago, Ryan Wedding, the former Olympic snowboarder who is now on the FBI's most wanted list. And still at large, you know, this guy, he had that Mercedes, Johnny. What was the Mercedes? The CLK, GTR, VNG, blah, blah, blah, this week, our government seems to have found his collection of motorcycles worth 40 million dollars. That's a lot of motorcycles. 62 motorcycles and artwork. This is the great story in the world. This guy, I'm kind of, I guess he's murdered people's arguments. So we don't. However, he's got great taste in vehicles. Yeah. He's spending his drug money on cool stuff. Like, look at that. This is a new transition from snowboarder to snow salivary. I've really known a lot of Olympic snowboard people that the real scumbags. They really are. Oh, those snowboarders. What are they doing in the off season? They're very bored. Trust me. They're, they got, you know, the idle hands and the devil and all that. Like they're, they're not comfortable. So apparently this guy's still at large down in Mexico, Zuckerman. He's being protected by the cartel. And he's in the blue BMWs. There's a 15 million dollar, I guess, bounty, most wanted bounty on him that good luck collecting that if he's protected by the cartel. Yeah. That's, that's what you want. I don't know. I wonder if he married into that, but also, I mean, what happens to these? Again, we were talking about that Mercedes. They get auctioned off and then let's see if we can get an insider. So where does that. We've established that we might not buy a dead guy's car. Would you buy a car, former cartel members when you have one? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. But how much is the collection worth? 60 million. It's 40 million. I mean, if 62 motorcycles, that's almost like a million dollars a bike. That's crazy. Well, here's what it says. Not just the motorcycles, but there were a lot of like rare Ducati models in there. I don't know. Yeah, I know. A lot of artwork. Ah, that's the money. Yeah. A lot of artwork that they don't discuss and two Olympic medals. I guess he put in his hanger. Those aren't worth very much, but the artwork. But why would he put his Olympic medals in the hanger with the motorcycle? What else are you going to put them? And you're, I don't know, you're, you're laughing, Lee. You just, you just got another hundred million. Fuck these medals. I really want the Olympics. More money's coming in. It's snowboarding. It's not like, it's not like giant snow or something. What does this guy look like? The pull up Ryan wedding. Look at him. Look at that guy. Oh yeah. This guy. All right. I mean, it would be funny if you leave a picture there. I can't say, I don't think any of us can speak to how our drug cartel thinks, but at this point, why are you protecting this guy? That's why I say, more trouble than he's worth. Maybe he married El Chapo's daughter or something. So he's got some, some form of protection that you otherwise wouldn't think. I mean, I see the Netflix movie possibilities right away. Look, here's one of the bikes. I mean, it's a good story to start it, to start a story with a guy training to win an Olympic medal. Yeah. We go with Johnny's story like it's off season. Hey, what do you want to do? I don't know. I don't know. Somebody offered to, we just drive this car to Chicago. I've known a lot. I've known a lot. I grew up in California. I've known a lot of snowboarders and like, you know, it's, well, it's like, you know, skaters, they're not, you know, but so what are you saying? They're all into drugs. They only remember there was that Clint Eastwood movie where he's the old mule. Yeah. So it's a combination. Instead of an old guy, we've got a snowboarder and there it goes. You need that. Look at that painting with the sombrero and the shotguns. Yeah, let's do it. Let's get working on it. Directors that are out there make some calls, reach out. And unless you have an IMDB resume, don't tell me that you want to write it. It's such a bad name for a drug dealer. Ryan, Ryan Wedding. That's what I like about it. Everything about it is great. But look, there's the artwork. Are you sure? Are we sure this artwork is worth money? Well, who's the artist? Who's the artist? Suckerman, you're the only one who would know anything about it. I don't know about it. Okay, whatever I'm looking at looks like it looks like shit to me. So anyone here ever owned an art gallery? Put your hand up if you owned an art gallery. Oh, look at that. Art gallery. Did you own an art gallery? Where? In Chinatown. When? 2001, 2002. LA, New York, Chinatown. Milwaukee, China, New York. How come we never heard this part? There's a lot. We don't because every time I open my mouth, you two idiots yell at me. Okay, well now, okay, what? I don't know anything though. What art did you have in the art gallery? We had all kinds of artists. Like what? Emerging artists. Things worth hundreds of dollars. Well, now they're worth a lot. But like what? What do you mean like what? We had paintings of art. You're like, okay, so compare yourself to Gagosian. I mean, if the art gallery still exists, it's back in New York. It's doing very well. I had a fart gallery. Oh my god. I mean, do you want to get into it? We can google it. I can show you. Where did it? I can show you the New York Times story about my old business artist talk. Gagosian. We're asking you to qualify. You don't just throw out the. We had a ton of artists. Why are you laughing? Because she looks at you weird to her. I had an art gallery. All right. Who's this Johnny? I fuck what I know. You own an art gallery? I did. I don't know who this is. That was my point. Well, I've got a super good fashion. I don't know. I don't know a drug dealing snowboarders art collection. Well, look here. I mean, I own a car dealership, but I don't know shit about running a fair. All right. You see what I'm saying? But I could say you made tickles in beer. I worked at Cal Arts for years and years and years, but I'm not really that knowledgeable. But I worked at Cal Arts. I was really involved in the art world a quarter century ago. Okay. Like I know about art when you say only Zuckerman knows it's a little, you know, I stand by my stage. But Jesus fuckers. Okay. Cut your, we have a knife. Cut your ear off. You'll have credibility. No. I wasn't an artist. Have you been at the Rijksmuseum? The witch. The Van Gogh Rijksmuseum. You see the Van Goghs in the Rijksmuseum? I've been to the one in Amsterdam. I don't know if it's called the Rijksmuseum, but I've been to the Van Gogh Museum. That's when I decided to quit smoking pot. I was so paranoid that someone might know I was like, hi. And I'm like, I'm at the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam. I'll have you know. I had a gin china down in the park. It's just the latest thing. There was a huge art scene in Chinatown. I know. A quarter century ago, there was a massive art scene. We're just having fun with you. We're just having a laugh. All right. I mean, you don't know about it and you're like, I mean, I had a pickle factory in Chinatown. We had an illegal bar. We had a speak easy. I could tell you some fun stories, nothing. You'd listen to anything I say. I need some. I had some brines going on down there. This is why we love Johnny. This is fantastic. I'm having so much fun right now. It's got some fucking blast. There was an article in the LA Times I seem to recall about that scene down there. That was a big scene. Yeah. And the gallery is still around. My old partner was a big write up in the New York Times recently. He had a show out here. Do you paint? Do you paint? I don't fucking paint. I was a business partner in an art gallery. Who are these artists that were in your gallery? You would not have heard of them. I know I wouldn't. Yeah. Okay. They're modern artists. You know. Boy, that story really paid off. I had no idea where that was going. I was about to bail on it and we just got to a new development eight years into this podcast about Johnny Lieberman, a new dimension to Johnny Lieberman, the art gallery owner. Wow. It's fantastic. We've learned a lot. We've talked about cars. And the watch. We're back for 2026. We thank everyone for joining us and we're excited about the new year here. And we'll see you next week on Spikes Car Radio and stick around a few of our Patreon subscribers. We're going to do a little cool down lap. Have a little chat about the worst states that drivers are in. And you're going to be surprised who it is.