This message comes from the podcast Pod Save the World. Hosts Tommy Vitor and Ben Rhodes break down the week's most impactful foreign policy news with digestible expert analysis. Listen to Pod Save the World wherever you get your podcasts or on YouTube. Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. I'm Tamara Keith. I cover politics. And I'm Claudia Grisales. I cover Congress. And Blaze Ganey from the Texas Newsroom is also here. Welcome, Blaze. Yeah, glad to be here. So today on the show, takeaways from yesterday's primary runoffs in Texas. And let's start with the Republican Senate primary, where President Trump weighed in late to endorse State Attorney General Ken Paxton over four-time incumbent Senator John Cornyn. Blaze, tell us how that turned out and whether Trump's endorsement mattered. It turned out with Attorney General Ken Paxton really dominating Senator John Cornyn. I believe he won by around 30 points. And it was really clear as soon as polls closed and results started to come out that he was going to win. And also the Trump endorsement, it did matter. And if you're keeping tally of how many times he's endorsed somebody and they won. But in reality, these two guys are really well known in the state. They've been in elected statewide offices for nearly 10 years. If not more, if you're counting Cornyn. Many more, if you're counting Cornyn. Exactly. So therefore, Trump's endorsement, I'm not saying it didn't matter, but this came on, I believe, a Monday night or a Tuesday morning, already a day in to early voting. People in Texas already know these guys well and knew who they wanted to vote for. And the thought was that Paxton, the polling show, that Paxton was likely to win in a runoff. So really Trump's endorsement sort of was like a stamp of approval more than like him saying, hey voters, this is the person to pick. I think his endorsement weighs more in races where people are not as known as Ken Paxton or John Cornyn. That's part of a raging debate today too in terms of did Trump motivate more voters to come out for Paxton and Cornyn voters to stay home or did he see this race just tilting in Paxton's favor and weighed in at the perfect moment and say Paxton's the one. And so it really is a valuable endorsement. Did it shape this race? Potentially it brought more people out in the end. Cornyn is sort of the ultimate establishment Republican. He's been in the Senate for a very long time. Ken Paxton is definitely cut from the Trump mold. He is a more MAGA individual. Blaze, do you see this as any sort of statement about where the Republican party is in Texas? You know, I actually do. I think that is a bigger part of what you can tell from this election. And it really isn't this Cornyn-Paxton race, although it does show it a little bit. But really if you look down the ballot, there's a statewide race for railroad commission where Beau French won versus an incumbent Jim Wright. Jim Wright was backed by the Lieutenant Governor and the Governor of the state. But Beau French, who rarely talks about oil and gas, which is what the railroad commission is in control of and regulates, he rarely talked about that. He actually talked more about deportations and anti-Muslim rhetoric. What we're seeing is a fight playing out that's been brewing for the last decade since President Trump and the movement came on the scene, which is MAGA pushing establishment members, voters, supporters out of the party. That was the big argument Cornyn had on the campaign trail is that Paxton is part of the MAGA wing that's trying to shrink the tent. And Cornyn, Abbott, others want to grow the party as they have in the past. The establishment wing has for many decades before MAGA came on the scene. And so this is definitely a power struggle for control of the party. At the same time, we're seeing a hollowing out of the members of the middle. And there's a lot of concerns among Republicans today that they're going to be left with the most extreme members in their party to lead them. And Texas, as we know, is a very reliable and influential Republican state. So what happens in Texas, we can see happen nationally. And so just as we saw before this race, we saw Bill Cassidy pushed out, we could see more of these moderate members losing in the future elections of this year. Okay. So you mentioned Bill Cassidy. He is a member of what we at the NPR Politics Podcast are calling the YOLO caucus. You only lose once. He crossed President Trump and learned to face the consequences. But now he is more freely speaking his mind and standing up to the president on some of his policy aims. Where do you think Senator Cornyn is going to land? Is he going to join the YOLO caucus? I am not expecting him to join the caucus. When he was asked, will you vote for Paxton as nominee if he wins this runoff? And Cornyn repeatedly said that he would vote the Republican ticket. So that's a signal right there in terms of Cornyn's deep loyalty to this party. When we compare these establishment figures who've been pushed out of the party in just the last few weeks, Bill Cassidy voted to convict Trump in that last impeachment trial in the Senate. Cornyn would defend himself and say, I'm not a Bill Cassidy. I didn't vote to convict Trump. And he thought that was going to give him a better shot. This is pre-endorsement to winning the runoff. Blaze, let's turn to this race. Paxton will face Democratic State Representative James Talerico in November. Talerico didn't have a runoff. He won in the first round. Blaze, what do you think this matchup is going to look like? I think it's going to be really dirty. A lot of muds slinging. We've already actually seen the mudslinging and name calling coming from Paxton. He's given out a bunch of nicknames to Talerico. One of them has to do with being a vegan, which Talerico actually isn't. Yeah, vegan in Texas could actually be quite an insult because it is a very pro beef barbecue state. It is a big insult. I went to a rally for Paxton the day after the endorsement and it was like a victory party. People were dancing to YMCA. It felt like the beginning of the Trump campaign like a decade ago. People were so energized. They were workshopping different nicknames for Talerico. That's what Paxton was doing with the crowd. This is just following Trump's tradition of coming up with these nicknames. They were trying to see, can we come up with one first? Then they got into the vegan discussion. This was at an old school barbecue joint after all. They were really hammering him for being vegan and not being able to experience barbecue. Paxton said, at least Cornyn understands barbecue. That's going to be one of the biggest attacks, believe it or not, in Texas in this race. But Blaze, Talerico is not a vegan? He is not a vegan. He was seen eating meat on his campaign. He actually posted a picture with I think a turkey leg in his hand. He has to prove it now. Now he's forced to eat meat. He has no choice if he wants to win a race in Texas. For Talerico, he's really just talking about the facts that are out there right now. The fact that Paxton has been impeached, although it didn't stick. Then you also have the fact that he's currently going through a divorce with allegations of infidelity on his side. Then also, when he was first elected, he faced a scandal around securities fraud charges, where he ended up having to pay around $300,000 in restitution, but did not have to admit guilt, which is a big part here. He still walks around and, of course, claims his innocence in most of these situations. I mean, he does have a coding of Teflon seemingly in politics that is not unlike the Teflon that President Trump wears. Exactly. He's very much a facsimile of Trump in terms of that background. And also, another interesting piece that we've seen in Texas when it comes to baggage, criminal indictments, baggage that is personal, what have you, we've seen Paxton break that mold in terms of being able to move past that. Instead, voters see him as a fighter. That's what I heard at Israelis that I went to. It just shows you he was reelected in the midst of all that. So it plays different in Texas. It'll be interesting to see if Taylorico's arguments will play in that state. No, I totally agree. I mean, like you said before, Paxton has been elected statewide since all this stuff has been out there. So it's not like this is new information and people are going to be shocked by it. It's just, do you still want this guy representing you is the question. The Cook Political Report shifted this race from likely Republican to lean Republican after Paxton won. That means they think that with Paxton as the Republican nominee, Democrats have a somewhat better chance of winning the Senate seat. But can a Democrat really win statewide in Texas? It has not happened in more than 30 years. Yeah, I think this is part of the blue mirage that has haunted Texas Democrats for decades. But this was part of the warning that Cornyn campaigned on is that there's a crack in the red wall in Texas and Democrats can move through it because Paxton is such an extreme candidate. And so there are, for Democrats, there is a wave of confidence that this could be their first shot in 30, 40 years to get a Democrat elected statewide. Blaze, I feel like I've heard this before. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And I think a big part of that isn't just about what's happening here in the state, but what's happening across the nation internationally as well with the war in Iran. Republicans are having a hard time right now coming up with reasons for the actions from President Trump and this most recent nearly $2 billion fund doesn't help that at all. Now, will Paxton have to answer for those? I'm not sure, but ultimately it doesn't necessarily matter if Paxton has to answer or not. When people go into vote sometimes, they see that are next to it and they automatically, definitely since he's endorsed by Trump, will associate him with Trump and he's already said he will support everything Trump's doing. And so if you don't like what's been happening, if you don't like where the economy is, then some people may say, you know what, I just want to steer towards Democrats. And I think that is what right now, why Democrats feel Texas is even, you know, something they should be pouring money into a race in Texas is because right now you have sort of the perfect storm of the economy's bad. We're in a war and then you also have a president that is Republican in a midterm. This is, you know, if Democrats don't win this time around, I think they will feel as though they lost this instead of, you know, they just got beat out because of the numbers in the state. This is exactly what I heard from a Democratic strategist I spoke to, Chuck Rocha, and he said the headwinds that Republicans are facing that Blaze just mentioned as well as kind of this very sour taste that this Republican fight has left for the party and questions about whether they can unite after such a slugfest, as well as they're seeing Latino voters coming back to Democrats because they're unhappy with Trump administration policies on immigration and they're worried about the economy. And Rocha definitely pointed out the gas prices because there's so many trucks and so little public transportation that's an even bigger deal in Texas. Everything is farther apart in Texas. All right, we're going to take a quick break and we will have more in a moment. This message comes from the podcast Strict Scrutiny. Every Monday, Strict Scrutiny breaks down all the legalese and all things court-related using language that goes down easy even when the rulings don't. Listen to Strict Scrutiny and we're back. Texas was the first state to redraw its congressional lines in this mid-decade redistricting arms race that's been going on. Republicans are seeking advantage in an effort to maintain control of the House and we saw the effects of that strategy in some of these primary runoffs. Blaze, what did you see? I mean the redistricting job done by Republicans was very strategic. Over in Houston, you had Christian Menafee who had just become a congressman in a special election running against Congressman Al Green who's been in his seat for decades. So two incumbents essentially running against each other and Al Green ended up losing his seat. Not really sure why but I will say in that specific district a lot of representatives have run and passed away while in office. Menafee is 38 and Green is 78. Green though has pushed back against critics who make note of his age but voters seem not to buy that and very clear in yesterday's results. Yeah, there's also this hunger for the Democratic Party. I think this is a theme we're going to see play out with them all year long is that kind of President Biden regret in terms of not bringing in a younger candidate. We saw it with Janet Mills who had to drop out of the race in Maine before even getting to the contest with Graham Platner there. So it's clear that Democratic voters want a fight or two. We're hearing this from both sides and they know that this is getting to be a bigger struggle in terms of the party and its future and the country's future. And so that's what we're seeing and I think we're going to see a lot more of that where Democrats are growing impatient with these older candidates. Yeah, I mean is there just an anti-incumbent sentiment? I think it really depends. You know, I do think for example Republicans are more forgiving of candidates in older age. I think Trump has kind of just blazed the trail for that in terms of these older candidates and incumbents are protected. The bigger problem for Republicans in terms of winning in primaries is are you MAGA enough? Well, Blaze, before I let you go there is one Texas House race that we haven't gotten to that was getting national attention for all the wrong reasons. Democrats were alarmed at some of the anti-Semitic views expressed by Maureen Galindo, one of the candidates in one of these congressional races. She ended up losing in the primary to Johnny Garcia. What happened there? I think ultimately Democrats are probably excited that Johnny Garcia walked away with a victory here because this is a district that while it does lean Republican, Democrats think that they have a chance to win and it would have been really hard to win with somebody that had anti-Semitic views. I mean, you know, coming into the race, you want to have about as clean of a sheet as you can and this person spouting those things does not help. Definitely when you want to bring in money from outside races and we just talked about how the Tallerico race is going to, the Senate race is going to cost a lot of money, there's not going to be a lot to go around to these other races. And so putting money behind somebody that's not Maureen Galindo will be a lot easier than putting money behind a person that has said the sort of things she said. All right, let's leave it there for today. Thank you for joining us, Blaze. 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