Porsche GT Pricing Scam(?); Zack's M3 Tariff; EV Charegers Cancelled

What's up everybody welcome to the smoking tire podcast today's episode is brought to you by off the record We love off the record and they are looking out for all of you Just like they're looking out for me if you get pulled over for a moving violation in any state in the US Don't plead guilty get off the record go to off the record comm TST that's off the record comm slash TST and you get 10% off all legal services booked through off the record They will vigorously fight and defend your position in a court of law You trust me want this don't plead guilty It could affect your insurance your employment and any other number of things off the record comm slash TST write it down have it ready. Yeah Alright folks on this episode of the podcast. We are back in studio after about a week and change on the ocean It was amazing. I have an all-new alarm system. That's causing me a little bit of headache Zach gets a tariff bill for a tiny little nothing car part the EV charger Mandate got taken away while we were gone and a whole lot more including Scams with GT3s. It's the smoking tire podcast We have confirmation of good audio. That's not a pen. That's a fucking pen I refuse to live like that very crocodile D of you I refuse to live like that anymore. I'm never gonna have a Fucking yacht like we saw down there never gonna have one of those But what am I gonna have the best of the little things? That's a good way to go. Actually, that's a pretty That's like a pretty good Way to a nice life. I think sure. Well, you use that every day and the people that own those yachts Do not yeah, you know, especially they rent that shit for a week for $400,000. Well, that's believe it or not That's better. That's the value option Versus owning it. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah There's no there's no faster way to burn money on the planet south of space flight. Yeah, a giant fucking yacht I mean, but we saw some beautiful ones Zach and I got back last night. Welcome everybody Got home at like 11 o'clock long travel day, California to the BVI is a bitch. That's like certainly not like complaining about vacation, but like a funny thing about Places that like east coasters vacation versus places that like west coasters vacation like if you're on the east coast like Everybody down there was like, oh, we're from, you know, the Midwest were from New York We're from Florida whatever because real easy to get there from there even our buddy Nat Monday, bro HPN to San Juan. Yeah It's like I find Hawaii. It's yeah We're spoiled with Hawaii and even Tahiti The South Pacific is like pretty accessible from California. Well, it's six hours closer than if you feel to he from New York Well, it's long but it's direct. Yeah, like you fly fucking the papayette. You know, why there's just ocean between Yeah, what choice do you have? Well, you could have fucking Indiana Jones did through like, you know, Hawaii and then some other like random like a million Amelia Earhart Whatever But yeah got home last night and I feel I feel refreshed. Yeah, so good. I look tan Yeah, it happens gradually. Well, the lighting in here is weird like your head and face got much tanner throughout the week Yeah, but now with this light, it's hard to tell. I'm really farmer. Yeah, I did a lot of shirts Did a lot of rash guards a lot of SPF 50 gotta be smart about this shit You know our 40s can't fuck around 20 year olds like a group of five dudes all who were just cooked red Oh my god, my sister-in-law Jillian who cannot help herself The just screamed at them from one boat to another like, you know, they sell sunscreen in the story in there like and And I was like, you could have you could have just been like a nudge nudge Check out the redness instead. But alright. She's gotta do it. That's how she rolls. She's aggressive like that Yeah, gotta do it. It's I'd say it's in love, but like I don't think it is It's in it is it's in love when it's to to someone she loves She's she talks shit to me and that's that is love Yeah, and to her to to Hannah and that's love but like to those guys I think I think that was just wrong She uses the same instrument to communicate to different people. Yeah But yeah, I had a good half second half of our sailing trip I don't know if you anyone who watched the video version of our little yacht cast One thing I noticed a lot when I saw the video is how much you could actually see the boat moving because we were at Marina key and That was the only night of the trip where I was like this sucks Because it was two to three foot like rollers for 20 hours. Yeah, and it was dude. It was fucking we were it was at a We're in a position where the wind and the swells were not going the same way and that's Real shitty on a catamaran Particularly on a catamaran. It's almost the only circumstance on a catamaran The other circumstance being trying to sail up wind but that not withstanding It's the only circumstance we're living on a catamaran sucks balls because we had this sort of a reef break That was bending the swell a certain way in front of us the reef break that like sort of protected this area Ended right at our boat because we had like the shittiest last-minute mooring and The swell bent around so the the wind had us pointing You know on our mooring right into the wind, but then the swell was coming at the side. Oh that shits It's a lot of movement. That was tough dude. That was a tough night There was there's nothing luxurious about that night after that though. Yo Svendike luxurious Fabulous what a great place to visit well And I noticed people might have noticed if you listen to the audio of that when I was reading the questions Stumbled on the words a lot. It was freaking me out. Yeah, and like later that night I was trying to read in bed and I was like having read trying to read your book Which had smaller font that I'm used to and I didn't have readers with me And I was like am I entering Bruce Willis dementia this week like I got real worried Yeah, and then I looked it up seasickness and it's it's trying to read like small font font on a boat The first couple days is hard because your brain is paying attention to the movement of the boat And when it's these weird swells like there's a basically a ton of information happening while you try to focus on something stationary It would be like trying to like read your phone while being a passenger in a car that's off-roading a rally car Yeah, yeah, it's and and especially where we were on that mooring the swells were not even when you're sailing The the motion of the ocean is actually fairly predictable like if you're going upwind It's like bounce bounce bounce from the front Okay, and if you're going downwind you sort of have this wave surfing that happens like it's just a sort of Like a very mellows Surfing but it's like pretty predictable and you don't actually get like sick like that But man that was that was a tough one, but it got much better And I do you have any do you still have any sea legs? yeah, well it was gone yesterday, and then I woke up this morning and Apparently like until you start walking around your brain. Yeah, I think it's on the boat So that was annoying I didn't like it but Sarah's like I don't want this feeling to end She wants to carry the vacation memory with her. Yeah, Valium. She needs to Start taking a lot of Valium. Yeah, or some captain Jack's Barrow. What was the rum? I don't want to blow it up too hard before yeah, the wasn't one called plantation which is Comfortably named that's tough, but Plant the plantation 20 year anniversary basically we learned that if you drink old rum it will cost a 10th or less the price of an equivalent bourbon and taste better and be delicious Quite good like that was like whenever did you do you when did you discover really expensive tequila? That really expensive tequila like sipping tequila was like a good thing. I think I was 26 Yeah, and I had taken a five-year break from tequila because of an unfortunate evening 21 to 26 To I did too that vomit was tough. It was that with Tabasco sauce It was a heaven and hell party Tabasco, yeah, oh nothing nothing says frat party And that was the second worst drink that night the worst is called a cement mixer Oh, I know what that is. Please don't even I'm just gonna it's a Bailey's you put lime juice on it you put it in your mouth and then you shake your head and it curdles and turns to cottage cheese in your mouth But my friend we're at a restaurant he said you got to try this it's done hulu in 1942 Mm-hmm, and I'd sipped it and it brought me back in yeah No, once you have a very expensive tequila and you go oh this can that can be this and I think we learned we learned that with Rum on this room was $60 for the bottle. Yeah Like it was it's expensive. I guess for rum, but that's but it tasted like something that if it was bourbon It would have been 600 for a bottle correct Man these high-end rums we were at the Cooper Island Rumbar they had like 300 rums and a guy who really knew his shit And then the next night we went to the bitter end rumbar There was a guy who used to run that place and he was fucking when we were like Oh, we were just a coo-pah-rile this dude was his face you could just start to see The hatred he turned into Darth Vader of rum Yeah, it's like meeting meeting someone and telling them your girlfriend's name and they stare you and go do you know her? Yeah Like oh did she leave you for me? Yeah Yeah About those dolphins, but dude if you don't know if you don't know about fucking Maybe we're just really late to this the rum game, but like damn that Jimmy Buffett was on to something All right enough boats We got back to a couple of surprises I have a new alarm system installed at the shop here that I had to get this is a tech thing that happens This has happened to me twice now. Maybe it's happened to somebody else you have a very fancy system put in that's like An alarm or security camera system or maybe like home theater kind of thing and you The system is so good that a bigger company like a honeywell or a whatever big industrial giant like acquires them For like ten billion dollars or whatever the fuck But then a couple years later It's like absorbed into the greater system and like your features stop to work stop working and or like the Customer service is absorbed into and it's like you know All of a sudden you you call customer service and you get the big company and they don't even like know what the little company is Any more to purchase a plane press to you like honeywell. Yeah, so like I got to a point with my like like my my systems Like my admin system of the my cameras and alarms That this this company that we used was acquired by a much bigger company The system still worked that company was acquired by a bigger company It went to from guppy to fucking medium fish to shark and Now like I don't want to say like nothing work like it works But like many features became inaccessible And like I had to do like a master admin password reset and that function stopped So like my cameras were still recording my alarm still working all that shit But like all of a sudden there were no changes I could make well Yeah, like the web portal like so that happened like six months ago when some of the displays in here We're just showing like binary code. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay That was that and and annoyingly the big security the big monitor that I have in my office Whatever that shows me the cameras that stopped working, which is that drove me nuts. So anyway What choice do I have Startover upgrade the entire system to a new this new one blah blah blah this happened a couple times now and I was like well this new one We need to find a company that is like committed To farm to table security like not like not being acquired like they like a long-term Company like at least we leave because this is like tens of thousands of dollars for this shit so anyway and and You know that are my the company that does my installs there they're they're professionals They're doing huge huge commercial projects apartment buildings and hospitals and shit and and they're like I like I understand How crazily frustrated like this has happened like across the industry for all of these like high-end Specialized like systems maybe people can relate if they're using if they're in other industries where this happened to maybe it's healthcare whatever portal they're using or Audio or you know, I'm sure there's a million of them where shit just like stops working So this is fucking all this money, but we're gonna have a better system now But you got a surprise I got you got a surprise from the government. I got a note I got a letter from the government You know a couple weeks ago my C pillar fell down in my car your C pillar C pillar Yeah, and inside inside a passenger side You know rear glass area and all the there's all these like little clips on the inside this large piece of plastic And they got old and shattered. Yeah, you know right after the interior was re-upholstered. Did we find them the clips? No By we I we you mean me that like Anyway, so I'll get there So I was gonna you know instead of ordering a whole new panel from like FCP because it's like 260 dollars I found a company called Was it like rendition or something and they make 3d printed Pieces that just replace those clips and they're they're well designed They fit right around the old ones like it's so much easier to install those than I expected And then you get the the $10 clips that fad brought to your house that the cats promptly ate And I went oh, this is a great solution It's like $60 for these clips and I'll just save some money and put those things in And I ordered them from this company's website and I selected the shipping that was slow because that's all I needed And then today I get in the office and there's a bill from the Department of Homeland Security for tariffs owed On those three tiny clips that are about the size of a bottle cap in the amount of how much? Thirty seven dollars how much were the clips? 48 or $62 Yeah, my tariff was like 50% but like I wonder if oh boys 52 53 Wow So the cost of those is now almost a hundred percent up But I'm also but like wasn't there just a lawsuit and so many of the terrorists were like reversed Yes, true. Do you think you have to pay this? Well, this was invoice March 4th. Oh, let's find out when the Supreme Court Yeah We had this happened while we were while we were gone Uh Well, let's see two days two days ago. There's a lot of articles about the tariff in Supreme Court Oh, no, so the tariff this the Supreme Court ruling was February 23 So this was a voice after that so they're trying to get that money before yeah, the laws get put back in place Are you gonna pay them? I'm gonna email the company. I bought it from ago. How come like I don't I don't remember being notified by The country is this company company in I guess Manufacture ID motion a country of origin TW I think that's Taiwan sure Hmm Didn't know that either. I thought they were based somewhere else. Yeah Yeah, weird. Yeah, who get yeah, wow, but You know when you try to save yourself I know I'm gonna go Fucking house apart now find I'm writing it down Zack so Fadi has brought these things to my house. It's a little plastic little plastic clips Everyone's got him in their car They hold hands to doors at some point he like threw them on my kitchen counter when he came over for dinner I'm like these are for Zach. I'm like, okay, and I just they got put somewhere And it's a little bag of clips and who the fuck knows yeah, I need to find them so I couldn't find them I did a cursory Look before before we went out to the BVI, but like I was only here for two days Yeah, I I have been in Los Angeles for two days since February 23rd Which is like the Supreme Court ruling crazy Like that's that's so silly. I don't know what's wrong with me Valhalla awesome You just create I almost like don't even remember going yeah like It's a good thing that we have like notes and video because boy would that be a struggle while we were gone Petrolicious launched a newspaper folks taking a quick break because hello fresh is in the house and I love hello fresh actually Not because it's so healthy. Although that's a that's a good move But because it allows me to do the thing I like doing Cooking without doing the thing I don't like doing thinking about what to cook right? Bringing everyone together with meals that are simple and rewarding but not having to spend the second half of my day Searching recipes endlessly buying more than I need figuring out what to go where instead Hello fresh is in the house I can choose from more than a hundred recipes each week including cruising from around the world and meals that help beat the winter blues They've got bigger portions to satisfy everyone. They've got high protein. They've got Mediterranean GLP one friendly. They've got the chef's specials. Oh my gosh, that's so good feel for it You can feel great with wholesome ingredients like sustainably sourced seafood and a hundred percent Antibiotic and hormone-free chicken now There's now three times the seafood for no upcharge and you can impress guests or treat yourself with new grass-fed steak rib-eyes Man, I love hello fresh also because when you get the recipes from hello fresh You just keep them in a little folder in your kitchen before you know it You've got a cookbook and when you need to cook that recipe later Maybe for a big group or for a party or for someone else's family like if you've got a second family You don't want them to know that your real wife is getting the hello fresh Ah, you know how it is then you can bring the recipe card over and Make it later, right? It's so delicious. You can go to hello fresh comm slash smoking tire 10 FM to get 10 free meals and a free zwillig knife a $145 value on your third box offer valid wall supplies last free meals applied as discount on first box New subscribers only varies by plan hello fresh comm Smoking tire 10 FM to get 10 free meals and a free zwillig knife on your third box 10 FM a Monthly newspaper which actually I find interesting and when we were at ice race We met Paolo who is their creed they're one of their new creative directors pet petalicious was big 10 years ago Yeah, and then fell off for Sad and sort of hilarious reasons, but it was a good brand and still remembered fondly And so I like this idea of a newspaper 599 a month and it's I don't know 20 pages 20 how many pages is it 25 pages? 20 pages 22 pages And It looks nice the front story is about ice race for this month But they sent it to me and I would I would totally subscribe to this There's some I haven't gotten through it because it literally I came in this morning and saw it But I'm happy to see that it exists. That's a cool thing to be doing. Let me look at this thing. What an interesting Like it's well, it's an example of you know cyclical fashion cyclical fashion This is like cyclical media. There's a classic classifies which I like classifies old and new and current So like here's some cars that are for sale. Yeah, and then throwback March 89 you missed out Oh, this is called the anger section. This is called one of the rage the rage section Don't really feel sad. Well, it's a 9 59 is expensive back then still expensive today. Yeah 72 Ferrari 308 Oh call for price. I'm pretty sure this is a story about Matt crook collecting his his Portia here from Germany a DB six for 40 grand though Yeah, pretty sick and some classic here the ice race Piece about a night the only portion 964 in Armenia. Yeah, cool artist feature I'm into it a story about the How emissions technology also help cars go faster I'm gonna stuff because it helps you focus because like these days, you know the internet There's too many things to see so they go if you just want it It's like the newsletters you subscribe to you just want to read a certain number of things about cars and move on with your day So you just you read only the petrilicious or only the Road and Track magazine. Yeah, and then you just kind of go about your life Yeah, this is a good one though. I like I I'm into the idea of a car newspaper It's like It's like sort of them. I mean, it's you know 599 a month for a newspaper is still a lot I suppose but High-end magazines are a lot now I mean literally like road and tracks a lot like Road rat like good good Journalism is expensive. Road rat is I think 15 an issue in their quarterly. Yeah. Oh, that's not bad I thought it's more expensive than that. No, I think I think I pace well. Oh shit. It might be pounds I think I pay 60 British pounds a year for my subscription. Maybe. Oh, that's still pretty good Yeah, right 15 pounds per 15 pounds an issue. Yeah, how much is this? Five bucks and how often is this $6 once a month? Okay This is their third issue. Hmm. Yeah, I mean I Personally would would subscribe to that for six bucks a month I spend that much on you know other people doing creative writing that I that I like Read a book. I didn't like yeah, I'd excited I wouldn't say I didn't like it I this I thought I would learn something and almost everything in it. I already knew Not I'm not trying to say I'm that smart I just like the title was targeted toward my thought process, but I had already reached the same conclusion that the book We had the same experience. I started reading that Michael Paul and food book. Yeah, ten pages You know it oh like feet real ingredients and not too much of this that like okay, and I literally just said I think it's a very I finished want mine because I was on a fucking shitty ass American Airlines flight with no Entertainment so I was like well, I'm here. I might as well So I didn't put it down Hannah kept being like put it down pick up this other book And I was like yeah, and I finished it and I kind of like But it happened Okay, what the fuck else is going on? Endless thing guys taking a quick break because supports coming in liquid from AG1 today We have liquid support you can take a break from your school or work routine But stay consistent with your health like Zach and I are doing on a yacht right now with the AG1 That's how we're getting those vitamins and minerals while we're out there not getting scurvy on the boat. You feel me? They've got the AG1 travel packs to celebrate the adventure. That's what I'm talking about You can come out of your winter slump and reset for the season ahead me I'm just making sure I get all my vitamins and minerals and veggies Every single day AG1 is a daily health drink clinically shown to support gut health and fill in common Nutrient gaps with 75 plus ingredients including five clinically studied probiotic strains AG1 replaces the need for a multi-vitamin multivitamin probiotics and more It's very challenging to stay consistent with your nutrients every day as your schedule is all over the place Maybe you're traveling to three different countries in in a week like I am sometimes and that's why you can take advantage of Each morning and make sure that you get every nutrient you need in one place That's where AG1 comes from the superfoods and B vitamins and AG1 Provide nutritional support to help you stay steady and consistent and daily energy support keeps you moving throughout the spring It helps your immune system with support that helps you stay at your best It's got antioxidants probiotics and functional mushrooms and an AG1 next-gen delivers five strains of clinically studied probiotics shown to support digestion immune function and alleviate occasional bloating so You know, do you want to poop better? Do you want to have better nutrients? Do you want to have a better stronger immune system? You're gonna need that AG1 go to drink AG1.com Slash tire to get an AG1 flavor sampler and a bottle of vitamin D3 and K2 for free in your AG1 welcome kit with your first AG1 Subscription order only while supplies last that's drink AG1.com Slash tire or we can talk about Trump finding a loophole in order to kill the EV charging program. That's fine. We have a speaking of things being killed We have a Volvo ex 30 press car coming tomorrow and like two days ago Volvo announced they're killing that model I've never I don't know if I've reviewed a dead car. I well I have we've done like When I when you know when a car is going away. Yeah, we did it. We did that but like I don't know if I've ever reviewed a new car that became dead before we got it Like this car has been out for like a year Well, I went to create a drive the ionic 5n and they're keeping the ionic ionic 5n in the United States But they're canceling the regular ionic 5 which seriously. Yeah When do they announce that they're canceling the regular ionic 5 don't they sell like a bunch of them May now maybe they're you know gonna remake it and bring it back in two years Maybe they're sunsetting the model for now, but um that would be crazy. I see a lot of them in LA, but I really feel like the oh the six oh, I'm sorry. I'm sick the six that the Yeah, well the ugly one they're keeping the five which looks good. They're yeah, but then I see a lot of sixes around here Well because they're cheap they in LA they are they are incredibly efficient and they are cheap But like I thought she meant the five. I was like distraught. That's crazy. That they're super popular all over Like any anywhere EVs are popular the ionic 5s. Oh, the 2024 sales total 12,000 that's not great. That's not great. Yeah, that's bad. Yeah. All right, so I see all 12,000 in the city Probably I think that's probably true But they would do it and they just killed the fucking they just found a way to kill so the the federally mandated $5 billion EV charger program they they weren't able to like kill it because it's fucking mandate It was voted on all this shit, right? But they found a loophole and they said oh The chargers that we are installing they must be 100% made in America And it is like literally not possible to build any high voltage EV charger Using a hundred percent American parts like right they did doesn't exist like this goes back to like well There's probably a lot of like critical minerals stuff we get from other countries Yeah, we know we get from other countries. Yeah, they come any fucking parts electronic parts are in this thing Yeah, and where they come from they come from all over the fucking place. I mean dude back in the day Well, my dad was running Ralph Lauren. There was like a big fucking hullabaloo About and one of their sweaters that they were wearing not being made in America. Okay, was it like Do you want to make the clothes in America like ideally sure for the Olympians, right? but this was like a zip up not a hoodie but like a zip up fucking sweater and They made a huge deal about this fucking thing not being made in America and My dad explained to somebody from the news and then to me over dinner What it would take to actually make this very basic nice, but basic thing in America It would be like There isn't a factory that can make it or then at the time there there wasn't maybe there is now but like It's it's like the ship fucking sailed on making this type of garment in America like if you like the code thing during you know the PPE stuff, right or the personal protection things like we don't have the factories anymore Yeah, so like shout out like Jack O'Wilink, you know, he has this origin company and they make Boots shoes jeans like they make clothes in in the USA with USA products But it's taken a long time. Yeah to build the facility to make it which can be done The stuff is expensive, but you know to to your point like to have Ralph Lauren just pivot Immediately to make the thing like we they don't have the looms. They don't have it Yeah, or to do it proactively that you know, he's making they're making 40 or 50 garments for the for the Olympic collection The high-end ones because the real some of the really expensive stuff was made in America Hmm the purple label the handmade shit like that stuff that can't sometimes it was Italy sometimes it was the UK Sometimes it was man. Sometimes it was Asia, but like But like it's only the very because you had you when you know, it's the way clothes work like you know, you have to You would have had to You know pay Americans was unionized whatever But you'd have to build a factory with those type of looms. It didn't exist. So Anyway, that was whatever 25 years ago and we're talking about a fucking sweater. This is like Evie chargers with crucial minerals and computing stuff and like who knows where the circuit boards come from who knows where like right you you have to You'd have to design an all-new ev charger and you'd have to design all Many many many new components and then you'd have to manufacture from the bottom up this whole thing like so they've essentially killed this because There it is not possible to meet the requirements. Well in some of this stuff With the ev things like it's where they source the minerals from so do we do we have on us soil? These specific metals that we need to go into the circuits or into the wiring or into the other things for that Which is almost different than like You know clothing factory like you could set it up here things be expensive But do you bring in the plastic to make the poly you know, whatever? Yeah, but if we don't have if we don't have a cache of like Lithium's a bad example. I don't cobalt. Yeah, if it literally doesn't you know come from our ground Then we we it's impossible to make it here Yeah, I'm not saying that it would never be possible to make an entirely made in USA EV charger like if you start now like eventually You probably could but given the entire state of the industry the technology The available componentry like it's effectively impossible. Yeah, that's what I'm so yeah Cool, that's great. So we get so we vote on stuff we do it and then they're just like you know what? Let's find a fucking loophole so that it actually doesn't get done. Yeah, and like for for fucking what you know like to just To make everybody that this whole industry to make everyone's life harder who's invested in the it's like it's like as a punishment like No, or Zach's googling Exxon mobile stock price Mmm. Oh, so you're are you saying that it's good? Willikers. Oh, well look at what you look at how well Exxon mobile has done it looks like it's gone from about a buck Oh eight a buck on a buck 14 At the end of last year to once 58 today Wow about 50% in a year seems if you own a lot of Exxon mobile stock boy, are you fucking? Oh boy, wow, it looks like it looks like this where does where does that big jump happen, right? Is that 2225 yeah, yeah, so Christmas time. Yeah Nice God, I just love oil and gas stocks are my favorite things to invest in Really, that's how we went we went sailing we did a zero a very low emissions vacation Powered by the my dividends. No No, absolutely not I Do I do love some to me some zero emissions Sailing it's awesome. I'm big fan. I wish I appreciated it when I was a younger person, but it's it is nice Yeah, it's funny. It like it gets quiet But then when something starts to happen with the sale it gets real fucking loud And it feels like the boat is gonna shake apart. Yeah So you want to talk about this? Yeah, let's talk about this red list thing. Okay? Few people sent me this yes set this up. This is a pretty wild story. So it's a thread on red list in which someone describes an almost Price fixing adjacent scheme yeah in which franchise dealers independent dealers and and Consignment stores that sell on bat Sort of have a circle a Swirly hot tub of of hot potato with new GT3 and GT3 touring units in order to Serve a couple of needs basically what happens is There this person has done a lot of research following like a hundred plus GT3 sales right how many it's like over a hundred maybe 130 maybe Okay, 130 sales so right there where the cell basically has analyzed is 130 sales from bat and alleges that in many of those sales only 27% of those 130 sales are actually One person selling a car to another person other individual. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with the dealer selling cars on bat There's nothing wrong with the dealer buying cars on bat, but what what this person is talking about is basically The franchise dealer will get an allocation on a really hot car specifically a GT3 touring that franchise dealer will sell that car to A friendly independent dealer, but not dealer to dealer They'll sell it to the owner of the dealer as a as an individual customer Zach Klapman owns Culver City motor cars and you Zach Klapman are also a good friend of Porsche dealer X right Porsche dealer X allocates Zach Klapman the car Which I buy at MSRP. That's what is required by Porsche AG right You buy it at MSRP you then immediately under a pseudonym username on bat Can either listed on your lot or more likely Consign it back consign it on bat through a another Consignor dealer right so you would have consign it back through another dealer So it's gonna be appeared as listing listed by someone almost like Westside, but I'm not a dealer, but like Quote name you know kind of a popular bat dealer one of five six or ten out there right and so now a Franchise dealer will pay a bunch of money under another pseudonymus username buy that car back Listed as CPO on their lot and at each step in the process Ten to twenty thousand dollars is added So this car goes from being sold as a new unit allocated Sold to an individual who owns a car dealer Consigns through E through another car dealer bought on bat by another franchise dealer and now becomes listed and by the way bought on bat at a high price Right which establishes a public market. Yeah They then put it on their lot as a CPO as even above that market Now and now one thing that this person pointed out and this is a great thread to read we'll put it in By the way, I'm summarizing like an eight thousand word thing full of data Yeah, give me if my words aren't exactly accurate, but would you say I described that system pretty accurate? Yeah, definitely and so some of these large dealerships when I'm sorry and there's two terms Franchise dealerships like Porsche dealership of X. Yes city. Yeah, and then there are the independent dealerships Yeah, and so Porsche X of one city would you know basically move cars through these Intermediary companies and then end up selling the car at a different Porsche of X of Y city Yeah, that they have a partnership with or possibly own because some of these dealership groups will own 20 Yeah, 25 dealerships around the country They list Hendrick one of the largest dealership networks in the country. So, you know Porsche Porsche of city X will sell it for MSRP But eventually they're dear friends at Porsche of city Y right can sell the car for a hundred or 200 over by Kind of building these steps these price steps through each transaction It goes up 10 to 15 grand and ends up as a CPO car In some cases that has zero miles added in all of these transactions. You know, I mean there's a lot of Interesting intermediary stuff. Yeah, this this guy found one VIN number that has like it's like a year old It's got five owners and it's got a hundred miles on it like one of that 14. Yeah 14 miles. Yeah, so like it's it's and and and the independent dealer dealer guys are getting multiple allocations and Then and then it's all it's it's like it's a few people That are just sort of swirling these cars around But they're creating the perception of a big public market Yes, which then is used to justify High prices of these cars all across dealer lots and across the entire industry Yeah, so it's a way it seems like it's a way for franchise dealers to get around the no markup rule Yeah, and eventually sell a car for with a huge markup that they had to sell at MSRP originally But it also works to pump the whole market so even so all the comps go up So they get to pump the inventory they have the secondary inventory that they're kind of involved in and they just all make way more Money and the problem is there is there isn't an actual real Non-business customer in most of these transactions. So these are you know the publicly all the public the public stuff That's referenced on bat that becomes a point of data for the industry That's that's then it's then written up in the car, you know, maybe something like this or or a haggard ease Roundup or whatever that becomes an authoritative point of data But the problem is that's not that's not a real customer buying a car from an individual or from a dealer or from an auction That's one person selling to his buddy who's listing it through his buddy who's selling it back to his buddy in Order to you know Just fleece the last guy at the end right who shows up and and buys it at this inflated markup CPO It's something that people thought was happening and they never proved it But with like the NFT stuff, yeah, like the pet rock whatever they're called But it's just people that are involved in that system trading them back and forth raising the price and then eventually retail shows I'm gonna I guess this picture of a rock is worth a hundred fifty thousand dollars. Yeah Yeah, and so it's tough because like everyone everyone wants GT threes and like You know, I guess it's not like illegal to do this. I just think it's I don't I don't think it is I just think it's It it creates a Fraudulent it's like price-fixing. Yeah base. It seems like price-fixing to me That's I there's probably an actual term for it that isn't that but like that's kind of what it feels like like Remember in like, I don't know ten years ago twelve years ago. I wanted to bid on that Or I did bid on that Hacoska skyline at pebble and the guy who won Ultimately had spent more he's he paid more for it than anyone had ever paid for one of those and it was It was way more than he had to and way more the estimate and I saw the person later And he was like, yeah, I have six of them I wanted to pay more for this because it pumps the value of the other ones right I was like, oh well a That makes sense and B It sucks ass that someone like me is bidding against that person, right? I was sort of like, you know, that's life and it is life That's you know, if that guy wants to invest enough money in a car That's never in a bunch of cars that have never sold publicly at auction because he thinks that's a good thing and He can buy one at publicly at auction and doesn't mind paying too much for it I was sort of like well, okay, that's that's a move but this seems more Systematic yeah, it definitely does I don't know what I was gonna say I looked at price-fixing but It's an agreement written verbal or inferred from conduct among competitors to raise lower maintain or stabilize prices at price levels Now so if these dealerships are like talking to each other and agreeing to do this, you know Like and I'm only mentioning Wob. I know he was a guest, but he's mentioned in this rend list right up a lot if If Wob and the dealership down the street that's listed in this write-up ever had a meeting Yeah, or they said hey we can we Wob can provide this service to you guys and here's how this circle could work like that would be Seems like it'd be price-fixing, but I don't know yeah, I mean I like Rob. I you know, I I don't think I mean he's he's You know he is taking a committee like he works on commission like we don't you know So so if he takes a car on consignment, he's gonna do his thing and you know sell it. I'm not sure if he has a Real responsibility beyond that. I'm sure he flips a lot of GT3s for people. Well. Yeah, I mean on here They said he was not for a huge percentage of them. Yeah There's also someone listed like one of the usernames from bat was a bitter on your NSX. Oh really? Yeah Oh, that's an M like that's funny like meatballs or something Meeples that was the artist, but it was one of those I reckon that's funny So, I mean yeah, I mean it's this list it's I'm sure it's up Where do you find on that and GT3 prices a study in manipulation by Chicago marketing? Yeah, and that's up on rent It's very I hope I did a good job summarizing it because it's there's a lot is long It's really interesting and Chicago marketing. It should be said is the user name. It's not like a company called Chicago marketing right, yeah, the The TLDR is it seems like it seems like these Seemingly independent dealerships are not working independently of some of the franchises and the result is that anyone like us Out there who wants to just buy a GT3 goes well, I guess the price is 400 grand because that's what they're going for right the reason They're going for that is because of is because they take a lap around the track before coming back to the lot Right where you're expected to pay that right and they keep getting listed for more and more money until they end up as CPO Where they get listed for even more mm-hmm? Yeah, yeah wild wild really interesting And I mean, it's you know, it's the kind of stuff you sort of Expect to hear is happening, you know, and then you go well But it really market yeah, of course you'd expect it. It's a free fair market Yeah, I mean not not like you know, it's it's tough. It's not like anyone has a right to a GT3, you know, but it's it also is an For for for a while we've been like well, you know Porsche sales are not so great Oh, except except the 9-11's and the GT3's and all that you know They're unobtainium in this and that but actually if this is this is the case then maybe not Well, I think they're still doing it you still this is still like it's happening So it's not like I think it adds an asterisk of you know, here's what cars are going for you know So and this person concluded the same thing like like you said using bat as the sort of As the indicator of what things are selling for and that gets proliferated around different blogs and other things like should it be Used as a tool of information Or should it not be trusted as much or maybe just looked at with a different different eye because of this Yeah, I mean if it basically the lesson is I think bat comps for Porsche GT cars are probably not good comps Yeah, unfortunately, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I haven't done bat versus cars And bids on this one yet, but like it's an it's it's it seems the system may have been abused here And so it's not that there's like it's not that we're like making accusations of like criminal activity They're not like the crop the comps Seem not what they should be because of this and people should read this. It's it's pretty like It's pretty pretty thorough So yeah That's an interesting thing But speaking of Porsche's here's you know how you can get one You know you can get one without going through this you can enter to win ours. That's right. It's up right now It's gonna be in the show notes. We're giving away a 9-11 turbo s modded to our specific Canyon carving and road tripping tastes. I think you will like very much What we've done here when when are we putting the first video up with that? You see it probably put up tomorrow. Okay, I can yeah tomorrow morning. We will put the video up If you're watching this podcast live it'll be up on Friday the 20th and It's gonna it's great. It's very straightforward There is a charitable element to it. You can go in the link. You can read about the charities there We're working with dream giveaways. They're extremely transparent You don't have to buy any merch I know nobody wants another coffee cup got lots of coffee cups but it's it's it's it's all very transparent and And so you can go read all about it But the thing that you need to know is that you can win a brand new 9-11 turbo s modded by us and Very very delightful Specification you can you could win it you could daily drive it for 20 years We will reveal more about the modifications as the videos go out. Yes, tease it a little bit. Yeah You know what happens that right before the show I got like crazy heartburn And so I chugged like a liter of water and now that water needs to come out That's a good segue for the TST catheter. It's gonna come into our future merch store, right? Yes, we'll go to the people. Let's go to those patrons They're our favorite they keep the ship floating down the ocean. They are the wind in our sail The other wind in my jib Yeah, of course patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast is where you get in the game It's where you ask questions for the show. It's where you watch the live stream It's where you get the show before everybody else. It's how you can get an ad free show It's how you can get extra show and it's how you can get access to all the fun Collabs and other creative things that we are making we have in addition to the new Bros and fairy Notice Canyon which will be available very very soon. We got another fun collab that's happening It's gonna be really really very special and I'm super excited about that one too and it's gonna be only for Patrons, it's not going to be watches or pens. It's gonna be fucking different and fun So we'll go to these folks and see what these motherfuckers have to say Wheat City night court says as our young as younger gen Xers reach 50 Will 80s and early 90s cars plateau because we've already bought our dream cars I Think there's probably some precedent To you can look at cars from the 60s and and I would say that In some cases they plateau like and then in the really special ones continue to continue to rise I think that's Yeah, I would look at where the 60 cars started around with the boomers where the boomers 50 or 60 years old roughly like where does 1946 40 right, you know 4647 then they would be they would have been in their 40s in the 80s 50s in the 90s and like 60s in 2005 that's when muscle muscle cars really peaked Yeah, I think 60s people have max spending power and they retire usually Retiring and they want to recapture their youth. Yeah Yeah, so I do not think these cars have plateaued yet particularly if they're the special ones I mean if you look at muscle cars today then you know car a Fairly crappy muscle car That that went up in in 2007 to like 30 grand kind of stayed there Like they didn't go back down to five, you know, they they went up and then they did plateau But then the really collectible stuff did kept going It went up it came down and now it's like back up again and past, you know, if you're looking at a hemicuda like or one of those rare Whatever Chevelles with the crazy racing engines and shit in them like those are past where they were yeah seven now But the other stuff just sort of stayed where it was at same thing. I think will happen with the 80s and 90s Hold me closer Bertone Danza Bertone Danza Bertone Danza close up a Tony Danza. That's pretty great Fuck Mary kill current M AMG and RS lineups. I'd marry the M. I would fuck the RS and I would kill the AMG Yeah, cuz they're I mean they're the four cylinder hybrid thing like my meeting potatoes of AMG is always the C 63 Yeah, I do not like it right now. Sure GT 63 still has the V8. That's true, but it's big. Yeah I know Hmm and the new the new GT is of good car, but it grew a lot to more like that So which I don't like much fuck the M marry the RS RS 3 is delightful. Wow and RS 6 Isn't isn't exciting, but I could live I could live with it And then there's also RS Q8 and all those are very yeah, those are good Crater says oh wait, okay wait I Re I bought myself a Bulova Makina a watch in black and I love the color of the black case But a friend of mine says avoid black watches because of how the black wears over time I haven't much had much issue with this and my nuts. What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on black watches cases? so I Don't I don't personally love black watches, but just the the aesthetic just for me I have no problem with them on other people. It's not my vibe. I like a little brighter, right? But this is a cool watch actually kind of interesting looking It depends there's there's really two kinds of Ways to make black. There's like DLC and PVD right and so the PVD is what they did like sort of back in the day and DLC is more of what they do now Except on like really cheap watches. So if if it says I mean this isn't a really cheap watch It's seven hundred and forty dollars. Let's see if it's to say what the case it does. It just says black stainless steel It doesn't say What type of coating it has so maybe you could send a Inquiry to Bulova and see what type of coating it has if you care I mean the worst thing that happens like is like over, you know 20 years the edges like the corners of the watch that get like knocked into stuff might the black might come off DLC that's much less likely than PVD though. Yeah deal. They use DLC on guns. Yeah, and it's pretty damn sturdy stuff I couldn't find I could with a quick search. I could not find if it's DLC or something else Well, maybe maybe there's a way to I also say like the This quote this watch is very colorful like well the case is black But then you know the inside was is called the dial dials like Color so it's not like a black on black watch. No, no, it's cool. I get it. Yeah, no aesthetically if you're into it like I'm down I don't it does I wish it said but yeah, it'll probably be fine I'm not I wouldn't worry about it wearing unless you're really gonna be that doesn't look like the kind of watch that you would Wear to like smash into stuff. Yeah, true A dog named frog in a Unimog. Oh Purchase a studio underdog salmon and love it. Oh, yeah studio underdogs fun. Yeah AM 87 says if the Amira is based on the Avora, where did the rear seat space go? I Don't that's I don't think that's accurate the Amira is based on the Avora. I don't really think that's entirely accurate I think the Amira is a The they share a power sure it means a construction Power train and they're made in the same way, but I don't think they're like the same the same They don't drive like they're the same They also they had to make some room in the engine bay for turbo the AMG engine So I think they moved that firewall forward a little bit And that just there wasn't a lot of space in the backseat and maybe they looked up how often people put people back there Yeah, the rear seat stupid. Yeah, it was a partial partial shelf for most people anyway But I think they had to make room in the engine bay for different engines. Yeah Tim I says I'm looking at a higher power wait moped or scooter for a five mile commute into downtown Denver on surface streets What should I look for in a commuter and what makes a Vespa preferable to commuting with a motorcycle? Okay? So Vespa is like that's that's the primo shit, right? Like that's the there you're you are paying for the brand But also in my opinion, they're extremely well-made Having said that for many years I had a Yamaha Zuma 125 that I thought was kick-ass and I thought that was the shit when I had it And it was it was actually quite fabulous So like what should you look for in a commuter like Denver is like at altitude So you're going to have less power than you would have here So like do you need to go over hills like any kind of hills? if so You probably want a 300 and not a 150 like just like if you can afford it Like more power is better like five miles is both like not a lot and a lot. You know what I mean And just because you're commute is only five miles like you may love this thing and ride it more very true But if you if it's only service streets a one 150 is probably fine if the hills aren't too big super important like Is is is going to be your wheel and tire size You're what kind of brakes you have and the the robustness of your suspension like cheap shitty Chinese scooters Like that will like look like Vespa knockoffs kind of like they're not robust And so like the bigger your wheels like sometimes scooters have like almost Motorcycle e-wheels. There's like some Piazzio And like those take potholes really well right and those are really stable like the bigger your wheels are the more stable you are But like What is important to me more than anything else Is Actually the fucking cargo box having the cargo box means you can if you're commuting with a backpack the backpack goes in the cargo box You can put grocery you can stop and pick something up like the difference between a Either a motorcycle or a Vespa with a cargo box and one without them is like a hundred percent utility or like 95% utility and fucking zero utility So that's really important. Why do I like a Vespa? In the city just light to light stops and a stop sign like having a manual transmission doesn't make my life better It actually makes my life a little more annoying like sport motorcycle. Yes, of course manual transmission Commuter motorcycle. I don't give a fuck. I have nobody to impress Yeah, and I just fucking zing the throttle off the light. I could beat anybody in a drag race I don't need to like ride a clutch. It's just a centrifugal thing. It just goes. Yeah And and I also think seating position See just way more comfortable like yeah swinging your leg over a motorcycle It just it's a little bit more effort depends on the pants you're wearing blah blah blah, you know scooter You just like it's like a bar still you sit on it Yeah, and like although a scooter is effectively as dangerous as a motorcycle I don't personally wear like motorcycle boots when I ride my scooter Whereas I always wear them if I ride a motorcycle so like I wear a jacket gloves helmet I don't wear motorcycle pants or shoes on the Vespa. Whereas I would if I was on a motorcycle so like Vespas are just a little simpler. They're a little less assuming. Nobody thinks you're an asshole Everybody lets you in everybody loves you, you know, you get them in a fun color like girls like if you have a brand name Vespa girls like that shit like So like I I mean I I love my Vespa and I'm getting the new ones so I'm pro Vespa But you don't have to go Vespa brand, but I would get I would get one even if it's used certainly I would start with a used one. I would get one from a brand that's known for Reliability and stuff like that like I loved my yama. Can you see can you look at this? I'll make a zoomer If they still if yama still has a zoomer, I haven't seen a new one in a while They might just call it something else now. They do they still make it. Yeah, I'm a 125 Yeah, how much is that new for for a brand? Yeah, yeah, so I used one is three grand like I Really liked my zoomer with oh wow it looks weird as fuck now. What have they done? Oh God Why does it look like that? That's not great Mine looked way better than that. Yeah, it's got a very chunky and sort of trail rated. Yeah That looks it looks like they they borrowed a designer from for owner wait Can you there's a little tab? Can you click to 2025 and see if this is new for this year if that's? Nope. No, no, man. You're because yours was what year? Oh? Maybe 12 might have been a yeah 12 15 something like that. It was old but but I That looks weird Get a used one. Yeah Okay, I miss when AI meant a shop in Westchester says That when I explained Diplomatically that your tire should be okay to run in a previous show I was being a cheap fuck and shouldn't risk a car that means so much to me over that many that over tires Okay, there you go. Okay good What was each of your high school dream builds and and what do you think modern wait and what do you think? You would think of your mod choices in high school. I've revisited this a few times I I mean I I almost had my dream I mean my my dream build in high school is effectively the thing I built in Yeah, yeah My dream build in high school would have been like a 41 willies with a blower I was I was that into hot rod culture and Modern Zach looks back at high schools my Zach's high school car and wonders Why I had like blown shocks in the front, which is why my car had so much rake Probably should have addressed that yeah, and maybe looked at the brakes ever because I never because they were behind I had the solid like moon eyes wheels. Yeah, so I never saw the brakes. They worked so far. I literally never looked at them That's so there is yeah modern Zach would be like what's wrong with you I we've talked my Subaru that I had before the Mustang was like I did some pretty embarrassing like 16 year old mods to that, you know, this was before the fast and furious, but I put street glow I put like Shelby stripes. This was a Subaru I put the fucking tully rack on that thing I had a literal like auto zone muffler that actually didn't sound terrible believe it or not It was it was I mean maybe it was a Magnaflow or something, but I got it at Autozone It was alright like it wasn't it wasn't it was embarrassing in hindsight, but it wasn't at the time It was okay at the time sure and I think there were I think stripes were more prevalent back then like there were a lot of cars New and you know new cars on lots that had racing stripes of some kind. Yeah, yeah, yeah But you know a lot of the stuff that that that we did to our engines in our high school Mustangs were the same shit that was done to my Mustang's engine did later. Yeah Make it breathe better. That's what I did. Yeah, that again Duffel shuffle retirement club says is there anything disqualifies a car from storage at WCCS? Not paying No, the cars have to be insured So if people don't want to carry insurance on the car, that's that's one and then like being too big We do we do actually have size limits. We can't do like big big trucks and stuff Big trucks meaning like a 3500 long like a long truck or lifted like the biggest thing that we can store at Playa is like the size of a Tahoe and the biggest thing we could store at South Bay is like the size of a Raptor But I could only do maybe Two Raptors and I think we actually have we have one Raptor and we have one and we have a We've a Bronco Raptor here. That's fine. That's shorter But we have a Raptor and then we have that a Hummer H2 which is that that a Hummer H2 is Absolutely the biggest thing I could I could store they're fucking so wide They're not that long. Yeah, so what? Hood left the hood left unlatched. That's pretty good. What is the rumor? What do you think of the rumors of Porsche emerging the Taycan and Panamera onto the same platform for the next gen of cars? That makes sense. I don't I don't I Don't really see a downside to that. It's going out. He does right. Yeah, they just have so many things Mercedes-2. Yeah, I I I Mean there they're not gonna make all of it EVs obviously they have to have Some kind of modular construction so that you could do a gas version as well I mean even if it's a hybrid version, there's no way that Porsche would sell to pure EV sedans Not in today's market. Anyway, how old was that story that you found was it was the data? Is that reason March 12? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay I mean, I don't I don't personally have a problem with it I think I think it could make financial sense and that's why I mean that's surely why they're doing it Like they need to cut costs aggressively. Yeah, I wouldn't like it if a Taycan had for instance a Panamera's hoodline You know, I wouldn't like it if they were like if I had to I Love the Panamera for what it is, but I don't wish my Taycan Looked like a Panamera, right? If you know, you know, you know, like the hood's different because you know engine Yeah, like the low cowl if to me is incredibly desirable in this particular EV So I wouldn't like it if I had to drive a Panamera in order to drive a Taycan, but the the I'm I'm pretty sure that I I Went to light I don't want to I don't want to speak wrong about this, but I went to Leipzig and Where they build the McCann the Panamera and the Cayenne and all three of those cars are built on the same assembly line Now I don't know if that means that they share architectures in any way or if they just happen to have a factory that can build three separate cars at the same time but like if that Was turned into four or something, you know what I mean that same factory now builds Taycans like also because they can But yeah, like the way Audi does it doesn't seem to buy like the a6 and the a8 being like Platform shared don't necessarily make them worse Right. Well, yeah, I think with Porsche they have to just maintain the performance Yeah, levels that we've come to expect the handling all that stuff But both those sure the Tycan on the port in the Panamera handle really well and they kick Yeah, they both handle best right so I wouldn't be super concerned about it, especially now that active ride is coming into you know play Run GMC Has been looking at reviews on the Audi B7 RS4 and found an old TST video and wanted to ask me What's up with the fucking sideburns and would I go back to them with today's in the 90s nostalgia challenge? I I don't I don't really know why why the sideburns ended up I always had the sideburns by the way you go back to pictures of me when I'm 14 15 and there was there were sideburns and then in in parts of and then I had I always had the goatee and The the sideburns at one point became a beard connector like they're on your photo with the Subaru So that was when I was 17 Yeah, and I did that was like the smash mouth guy Yeah, and then I separated the beard from the goat the sideburns by sort of doing that sharp the pointy thing sure It dude it was a fashion trend if you could grow facial hair Yeah, back then especially if pointy facial hair pointy facial hair was a thing It was the same like when I look at photos of college at foe hawk aggressive So much Joe and now I go wow you know just to tell us I had an actual mohawk for a while too There's not a lot of photos of that I have to go to my parents house and dig one up because there are a few but they're like I don't they're not like digital They're like in my mom's like album. Yeah, they're locked up somewhere. Yeah, I don't look at them My mom's my mom's photo albums are crazy. My mom has a Physical album for every year. I've been alive No, no, no like family sure but like it started. I'm the oldest child So it started the year I was born and so it's every year. She has it's just 44 blue binders. Yeah, it's crazy It's like a Britannica next time you come to Granite show to see it's fucking nuts But I couldn't you couldn't do it today now imagine I had Scythe and no hair. No, it's just not the trend right now Ten years ago. It was huge beards. You know, everyone's like going for long beard and now everyone's kind of come back from that a little bit Now a trim beard is okay. It's just fashion. I'm honoring Rob Reiner I think in that in this way this works now. This is more of a today's look Imagine you had signburns and no hair. I mean I had when I had signburns. I had hair No, I know nine when I met you you had Aggressive chops very angular save her tooth from Marvel. Yeah, you were shaved Not fully shaved. I had it was short. It was short, but not fully shaved. I promise. Okay. I did not go I did not go big until maybe 2015 or 2016 that alright, that's true. Yeah, yeah From Habibi unworthy Have you run across Surprising everyday cars that have had superchargers turbochargers or other surprising performance oriented options I recently found out that the Buick Regal GS from the 90s had a factory blower on the 3800 v6 Not just the GS Habibi the Pontiac Grand Prix Tp. Yeah, was the shit. Yeah, bro That car kind of hauled aspect then in 96 you couldn't fuck with a Grand Prix GTP. That was the shit How about the Bonneville SS E I? Pontiac Bonneville SS E I dude, that's That's where it fucking gets real hot supercharged Fucking Bonneville, baby. Oh That's the 2000 I liked the 90s one a little better the 2000 one is the Chris multi-Santi Bob Bonneville. Look at that fucking thing kind of hold that. Oh, yeah, this one Pontiac was doing these like yeah Raised creases yeah, lower lower valence everywhere. They learned how to mold plastic Yeah, they did and they really went to town with it SSC crawl these wheels. Yeah, baby. Oh bad It's a six spoke, but it looks like a three and they're curved and chrome. Yeah, that's not good That's tough. I think that you know forced induction was an experiment That was a bit like more common than you think but not that common for like 70s 80s 90s I mean you have a preview. There's a supercharger on the Previa that you could get there were Wasn't the um What was the Shelby Omni had a turbo? Oh the GLHS? Yeah, I think was turbocharged. Yeah weird I know those performance model, but back then you just don't expect that shit. Yeah I Don't know a front-wheel drive NSX wants to ask about a Porsche cars North America lawsuit I don't know anything about it Allegedly a car had been used at a Porsche experience center and sold that car to a customer and the car got lemonlawed sale of new GT3 allegedly used for mechanic a mechanic training. Oh So they Allegedly Porsche used a car to train mechanics. They disassembled it and are alleged to have not put it back together, right? That's different than driver training. I'm not sure there is a law against You know, he's at the training center. So you just we assumed it was driving and it's mechanic training Not great, it's not great. That's not great. I don't know about I don't know about the the lawsuit other than what we just said though What is it? Bbm trouble you says Oh I want to ask me about a watch brand that I have never heard of sorry Tortola beef curtains gross Do you think it's better when selling a car at auction to have a reserve? At your minimum you'd be willing to take the number you'd want ideally or do you send that shit? No reserve and trust the market. No the reserve should not be the number you want Absolutely not that's not what a reserve is for a reserve should be the absolute lowest amount that you're willing to take like and Like you're putting a car up at auction like to do it properly is a real investment of time and energy and money, right? So you have to ask yourself when this auction is over If I don't if let's say I want $50,000 for a car. I don't know what make make up car If I don't get $50,000 the auction ends I've done all the work and I still have the car Am I happy? Because I didn't take less for the car or am I annoyed that I've put in all this work And now I still have the car and I have to do it again. So like part of that is Your financial position what of what what what what you're whether you're up down or sideways on the car How bad what it's costing you each month sure and how much of a strain that is yeah, and and how important it is to You know get a big number for it or a bigger number for it now versus keeping it versus You know stopping the bleeding or get it, you know, whatever Other reason you want to sell the car for it now if you are capable of Putting in the work and getting eyeballs on the auction and doing great photos and and and and and doing all the things You're supposed to do to really sell a car at auction properly. I Go no reserve them if you do the things right there's enough eyeballs and and the market will provide Having said I realized we're having this conversation right after talking about this GT3 possible fixing situation but like Outside of that one model of car we have never done a car here at Westside no reserve that absolutely tanked It's never happened so But your reserve should be low I mean it it's you shouldn't be if the if the car sells for reserve like you shouldn't be happy What I can't I mean you should maybe you're happy the car is gone But like it shouldn't be a number that you're like whoo, you know No, it's like selling a car in person you go. I'm gonna say I want 20 And you always with Facebook marketplace whatever back in the day craigslist you'd set that but you know what you're willing to take Yeah, so it should be that or lower. Yeah, if you're if you go look, I want 20, but I'll take 15 I want 50, but I'll take 40 You know set your reserve at 40 and at the very least the bidders will they'll they'll argue know they'll No one's gonna fucking beat you up to knock the price down They'll beat each other up to knock the price up so at least you have that going for you No one's gonna fucking be all well your things of music shit except in the comments But you have to do everything right and so I like a no reserve auction because I Mean personally with my with my cars if I'm ready to sell that car mentally that car is gone anyway That car's a once I decide I don't want a car anymore every day that car is still here as a burden I want it gone I did put a reserve on the NSX because I sold it between Christmas and New Year's and I thought that there was a chance I could still do everything right and nobody would see it and it could tank That was why but if I had done it at almost any other time, I probably would have gone no reserve Matt's M984 a1 hemped tow rig. I don't even know what the fuck that is but okay Is there something you think manufacturers need to do to increase hybrid and EV uptake by consumers like a manual hybrid or some Other missing feature the market needs no the market does not Need a missing feature. I mean for EVs they need infrastructure and we just talked about that They need infrastructure and they need to be able to afford them in the first place Someone just asked me it sent an email about about slate what I think slate is gonna because it's they're gonna do this low-cost EV This is fucking Bezos dude like if Bezos like If Bezos if there was things to prevent Bezos from keeping all that money and instead paying people what their proud labor is actually worth and they could afford Regular EVs we wouldn't need the super low-cost ones. That's true like cars themselves only seem so expensive Because the wages haven't kept up. It's not because you're getting less value for money with a current car We've done this formula almost over and over and over and we find that universally the prices of the cars have really kind of kept up with inflation versus what oh BMW m3 was $46,000 and now it's like yeah, but like your your wages for the most part haven't and that's why everything seems so expensive and So like I don't think we need a super low-cost EV We need to find a way to get people to make more money so they can afford the fucking regular ones You know like why do we why do we want a world where a fucking regular person can't afford a fucking Hyundai? Yeah, what I mean like that's crazy, right? Yeah, like we're a Hyundai and a Kia and and Are too expensive and a Nissan are too expensive for regular people to buy new like what kind of we don't need it like Other than like on farms and stuff like for little utility commercial purposes and like urban commercial stuff like The I don't you know we could just not have the fucking that problem that We could stop the problem that caused that need in the first place Yeah, last time we talked about that someone was like, you know wages have gone up a lot since 2022 And I'm like you just look at the last couple decades There's lots of charts about it costs of living things like housing health insurance education or health care and in education How they've all outpaced actual wage growth? Yeah Under the cuff says would Porsche ever rejoin F1 and if they did would IW switch IWC switch from their patrons from Mercedes to Porsche I I don't think Porsche is that interested in F1. I don't think F1 Sells Porsche's to people. I think Porsche sells enough. Well They they sell enough of their sporty cars. It seems like where they're lagging is all the other stuff Yeah, I think I think Porsche is more interested in the endurance racing there in the endurance element of it I think really does translate To the to the road cars and how people perceive the road also because those cars look like the road cars Yeah, you know, yeah, it looks like an F1 car. It doesn't help Porsche sell GG3, right? Right, I mean 919 Evo like all that stuff is very impressive. It does get them headlines But their meat and potatoes is their IMSA racing is always really strong. Yeah I think F1 actually works for Aston Martin because Aston Martin even at its base level is a very Ultra high-net worth lifestyle brand The fact that they have Done well in F1 and they're coming out with cars like the Valhalla and they did the Valkyrie I mean, I think there there is a you can draw a much closer connection to Aston Martin's F1 Racing with the Valhalla and the Valkyrie then with the fucking DB12 But as a luxury package like the whole thing works. Yes, I don't whereas I don't really see that with Porsche compared to what they do with the endurance racing program. Also. This is the tow rig that was Recommended to you. That's awesome. That's the HEM TT That's equally as practical with some things that other people have suggested that I think Mike Torna bene bought one of these I think he bought one and kept it for like three months This picture looks like it was taken in Marina Del Rey. Maybe that was his it might be Tooties last heater How are we feeling about the reveal of the Anoya Klaus three series? Yeah, the new Electric three series. I don't I don't hate it based on how it looks I haven't seen one in person and that's really what matters But and and I have never been totally blown away with BMWs EVs the the I4 and I5 I thought were competent and fine, but not exceptional in any way and certainly not exceptional in the performance really But I do like how this looks generally. What do you think? I think the front gives me big A Lincoln-Baelin oh shit, but once you see the MKZ you can't unsee that I'm not really into the grill, but This back quarter looks good. I want to see from the side. I like that this this whole front valence Lights aside looks like a return to like the first gen M2. Yeah, which I appreciate. Yeah, it's all it's all a bit smoother Which is nice. This is just not for me. Okay. Yeah The I think the rear three-quarters is not bad not bad. I mean, this is kind of what we've seen around like your lights This is not a too big a departure Yeah It's It's you know It's okay. It's fine Carbon monocoque and ball torture. I recently Said to someone you either die a Jeremy Clarkson or live long enough to become James May Meaning at some point the fervent obsession with performance dim slightly and you started looking fondly and quality and practicality What was your James May moment or car? That's funny You could also say you either die a Jeremy Clarkson or live long enough to become Jeremy Clarkson but the I Really think it's just that with our jobs we get to drive these cars that are so fast And the roads are the same size and so But but if you're talking about the shift from Performance and you start looking for quality and practicality it was when I started driving Porsches I mean straight up like I was the court when I had the Corvette and my mind when I am at one point for like a year Maybe two years. I had the Mustang and the Corvette at the same time. So I was like horsepower You know, it wasn't like American muscle. I wasn't like that brand or nationalistic but like My my friend Alex his dad had a E 36 m3 brand new and I had the Corvette and and he was like This is the m3 is the shit and I was like well I have like a hundred and fifteen more horsepower here for like the same. It was like they were about the same price 115 more horsepower, you know and but And so that really mattered for a while, but then when we came out here and started driving like Porsches and shit. I was like oh The plastic the plastic and the buttons that's there's there once Once you if you can't use all the performance of a car all the time Then the fit and finish and the materials and stuff start to matter in a in a in a Miata Where you're like a zinging it out all the time I? Care less about the materials then like if the car's too fast to use all the time right? So you start looking at the other pieces of it. I think I wonder if this James May thing is more is aimed at James's appreciation of like dacia Sandero like his famous interest in boring Practical things. He's like like a like he would love an Aztec right that kind of thing How about this when I traded my Ford Raptor for a Chevy Volt and my life got instantly better perfect Like literally my life got better. Yeah, like that was that was a crazy Thing like I had the broiest bro truck ever and I thought that was what I wanted And I don't remember what it was that made me get the Volt actually Maybe it was just it was cheap or the Raptor wouldn't fit in the garage. I remember that part of it I don't know the Raptor is getting 11 miles per gallon which probably got annoying Yeah, I think when I realized that it was like more like a Tesla than a Prius And it was like made really well and GM was losing money on all of them and I was like, oh wait really and Yeah going from a Raptor from an EV in my life getting instantly better was a was really a thing Yeah, and I think some of it is maturing and if you're if you're Clarkson if you have enough money basically to get a practical car. That's also fast You probably will you know, that's why you have M5s running around But I know James May is also a unique individual loves to take apart lawnmowers. Yeah, I mean yeah, he He he's a very simple guy I mean, he does have some nice cars But he also he loves a practical tool in a way that I don't think some people really appreciate the cleverness of that kind of Stuff I mean Clarkson does too Clarkson you can see it on his farm show all the time He uses a 2012 Range Rover as a farm truck like all the time like he really is does believe in The utility of the Range Rover like he uses it for like farm shit all the time. He's towing trailers with it And he's written for years about the practicality of them as camera cars too. So like he's like Yes, a Range Rover is an expensive thing, but like I used a 12 year old Range Rover is not So the diesel ones they have here we could get for 20 grand Yeah, I did see that it is possible to get a seven or eight year old diesel Range Rover for 20,000 bucks But fuck me am I? Wonder what diesel is now gas around here six bucks a gallon. Oh, no diesel's that thank you EVs 2008 Funkmaster Flex expedition says Zach at what point at what price point does a Nissan Z? Performance become an option for you as a daily eight dollars. I don't know it has he's so like I'm not into him I I want I want you on a daily that's less practical than your current exactly I don't want to go to 2 plus 0. I have a 2 plus 2 Yeah, you'd be more likely to buy a fucking 2006 Z as a drift beater than you would to get a new one hundred percent. Yep, I Get I get the question because like I think I don't know what are they 28,000 bucks or something It's a lot of power and performance for that money But I don't love the engine and the the room it does not provide There's so and also like the Nismo is the good one, but the regular performance. Yeah, not got invited on the Nismo launch It's in it's that's Sonoma cool when Want to say it's end of April oh It's funny why well be it's no a mid April for the school. I've yeah Yeah, I forget exactly when but Cool. Oops. I tapped the table the new RS 5 of Vaught is a plug-in hybrid with 4951 weight distribution Is that enough to help save it from Audi's historical understeer? Good question possibly It certainly worked for the Bentley GT didn't it mm-hmm torch for lots of things Gigity airline says I know you always say don't buy a car from Florida, but does that apply to regular cars? Yes, all cars You have to be so careful. Yeah, that's the real thing because if you live in Florida or a humid area then like buying a car from a humid area You're just used to that you're used to it. There's just all the caveat to have to pay attention to mm-hmm Christian says what bad modern car would you love to be in the boardroom for when they were planning to know what they were thinking? So this is not a car that's That is is is just is a good idea executed poorly like I think like the Fisker Ocean You know what I mean? Yeah, the Fisker Ocean as a as a concept wasn't a bad idea Right, it was just like nothing worked. So that's a problem But like what car is just a bad idea? I Would like to be in the room when they made the Range Rover evoke convertible mm-hmm just to see I Just want to hear the convo that led to that car and I know what that I think I know the target market But I want to see if I have confirmation bias That's the problem is that new cars are not really that bad like the all no you don't have to I mean bad Modic modern could be I mean like I Would love to know why I I'd love to be in the room when Ferrari decided that haptics was gonna be what people wanted out of Ferraris Yeah, that's that would have been an interesting one. That's a good one. Yeah Do we have more is that it? Oh, yes, I will happily do more but guess what? The catheter she only wanted me for my turn in says what is your opinion on hobie cats? I Sailed one did we talk about that? No, you guys rented it before it was before the last one Yeah, I so they are fun in Small bursts I don't I don't like I don't love how they sail compared to like a laser But if you're gonna be at a resort and they're on a beach and you get one for a hundred bucks an hour And you go out and it's windy and you have a good time like you can get going really fast in those But you really they're fucking hard to turn If you're if you're too close to the wind and if you're not going fast enough, they could be a little frustrating But they are neat Jacking off the record says I recently drove by a house with three Cadillac Alantes parked outside. What is the strangest driveway lineup you've seen? Well, my buddy hydrogen Brian with the five mirage. What's he doing with those testing with them his company is He basically runs like the hydrogen lobby for the state of California And so he is not his job isn't necessarily to convince people to buy hydrogen cars His job is to really convince industry to adopt hydrogen Stuff at like the ports and shit like that but In order to demonstrate Hi, he his company has five hydrogen cars and they don't always live at his house actually They normally live in his office, but it just so happened that like I don't know his office was being remodeled Whatever whatever the fucking reason when I walked by his house for the very first time all five of the cars were at his house And I was like that's weird and then we became friends Actually, he's been bugging me for about a week because he's borrowed my fucking floor jack and We've been gone. I've been gone for like a month. What a fuck do I care and he's like I really want to return your floor jack We're doing dude. I haven't had any flat tires. I'll go I really appreciate he's so proactive about returning my floor jack But like Russell here asked to borrow my my lower floor jack while we were gone. I was like you can but I'm gone Yeah How BBs wheel that was so good wheels Yes wheels the Audi RS3 and the Acura Integra type s seem like your favorite all-arounders is the RS3 worth the 12 to 15k premium over the Integra type s it Very very much depends on two things one Do you want to drive a dual clutch gearbox and two do you want as a all-wheel drive? Well three how much money do you have and also does the price is 12 to 15 a big deal to you or not? You know if it's not I would totally get it because all the drive I prefer it Yeah, and I like the dual clutch. Yeah, but you know, I don't the type s is a great car I mean phenomenal car if I lived in a fair weather climate and I didn't have to drive in traffic a lot Money be damned. I'd rather have the Acura Actually, I I I get more enjoyment out of driving the Acura than I do out of the RS3 Even though the RS3 is very good at what it does Most people I know who buy RS3s and there's a small sample of five or six people They can afford much more expensive cars They could probably a quarter car 30 or $40,000 more expensive than the RS3 easily, but they want that and so Yeah, I would say that If you have to stretch for an RS3 it may not feel like 75 grand But if you in a lot of ways it does feel like more expensive that has the same seed like the good seeds the good materials Like it does feel very premium. They both punch above their weight class But the Acura when you if you get in a Civic you'll see the same HVAC controls Like you'll see that kind of that stuff whereas the Audi is just a little feels a little more expensive. Yeah Stan Gable did nothing wrong. I hope I'm not saying that out loud and defending some like fucking Yeah on the island What is your dollar figure tipping point between full PPF on the car or just the front clip? Also known as impact zone PPF. I got a smoking deal on a delivery mile CPO McCon EV and Genshin blue. I plan on front clip only So like it's a math problem. It's just a math problem, you know is is is The the damage that's you're gonna that's gonna happen to your car over the time you own it more than putting the film on and or does having the film change your vibe about the car like like I I'm with my spider full PPF. I know I'm keeping this car a long time I'll very likely keep it for the length of the PPF and beyond expensive car expensive car Tough to maybe paint if you had if you had to touch up paint tough to do, you know tough to get it right And it made sense The accurate NSX perfectly preserved paint makes sense to do full car my taikon Daily driver didn't do any right. I mean CPO McCon EV In my opinion not that expensive a car I would do the front clip because you're behind people they kick rocks up and stuff like that But I don't I wouldn't feel the need to spend what it may very well be Dude, it could be it could be eight thousand dollars, right? That's like ten percent of the price of the car just to protect the paint in the back of it Yeah from what yeah from like like a couple of rock chips like I you know, you know like with I like with the spider I like that like because it's PPF. I'll just like lean on the car I'll like I'll like throw my backpack up on there and I'll know it's like fine, you know like but like With the taikon I just do that shit anyway, I just don't I just don't care. Yeah, it's white. It's fucking It's a daily like it's rapidly depreciating no matter what like putting a putting a putting a $8,000 or $5,000 or $10,000 PPF on a Rapidly depreciating vehicle seems like futile to me But if you're obsessive and you want to make sure it stays real nice and you really are afraid of getting like Blasted with with gravel off of trucks and shit down there in Texas then do the front I wouldn't I wouldn't do the whole thing. Yeah, also nowadays with with paint repair dent repair and Like doing it like cutting your clear coat like you can repair Four years of damage pretty well for less than doing a full PPF sure so I would do that Yeah, if your car is like if your car is white you could spray the nose fucking to grand That's true You know like if your cars if it's a very complex color, maybe not Stan Gable was the antagonist in revenge of the nerds. Oh Right. Thank you AMG Hammer Time Coon touch this pretty good if you were a rest oh mod a grumman LLV What do you do for the drivetrain? That's a post office truck electric electric the only answer is electric. Yeah prayer of the refugee With Montana plates I'm looking for a fast fun mature family cruiser for my 40th birthday Budget is 50k I saw Lexus GSF with 31 K miles go for 44 on cars and bids Careers if you driven one yes, we have go look at our videos. We have a video review of that car GSF is excellent 2017 GSF 31 K miles for 44 grand. Yep. I'm in yep. I mean I'm in for sure. That's a great car Right that's that's got the v8 in it right I think so yeah, yeah Because there was a G was there was a GSF sport also that had the other end that had the v6 I also liked but I think I was the V8. Yes. Yes. That's fucking game for it's 470 horsepower. Yeah fabulous. It'll sound good Yeah Why don't princes fight the war? Why do they send the poor so good? Yeah? Yeah Past and you suzu oasis on a back road in Chicago rare to come across a car I know nothing about although this one is a rebadge. Yep Actually, it's I think it's not I think the geo is the rebadge. Oh, sorry. No the oasis was the minivan Sorry, that's the Honda Odyssey. Yeah, it looks like a winster. No, it's a Honda Odyssey I was thinking of the suzu impulse that was there the That was the geo was the rebadge. Can you recall the last time you saw something in the wild? You didn't recognize I can because it was very recent because we were in the British Virgin Islands and In the Virgin Islands, they have Chinese cars. Oh, we you know, it's funny I didn't realize but I took a picture of that car the day we got there And just a picture the way we were the day we left the M zoom. Yeah, there was a bunch of really weird And funny Chinese cars in the Virgin Islands, which actually because to my understanding The Regist vehicle registrations down there for us and Britain Virgin Islands. I think are like I Don't know if they're separate like What do you mean? Oh, like you can registry cars me there one plates didn't say British Virgin Islands They just said Virgin Islands now I don't know if that is like a rebellions get rebellion against the monarchy And there's the US Virgin Island plates are different because we didn't go to the US Virgin Islands or if it's back and forth But like down there you can do right-hand drive left-hand drive. Yes, they don't give a fuck Chinese cars like whatever Jimny, this is we were Jimney 3,500 Chevy Silverado. There's like everything. It's all it's all going on down there Yeah, they'll they'll bring whatever down there. Yeah, so like I don't that may be the only place you can get a Chinese car Registered on even a sort of US kind of tag But what's the question From non-manual transmissions unworthy good attempt, but that's clumsy How good of a driving experience is the b7 Audi RS4? I've seen a lot about how they're nose-heavy, but they're a very attractive manual sedan option So They are great highway cars. Yeah, that's really what they do. They're nice. They open sweepers. They're nice They are nose-heavy. They don't handle all that well, but they sound great. They look great They're very cool very comfortable cool interior one of the best sounding engines ever made absolutely You know if you're coming from BMWs, which they say they are an E 90 m3 We'll absolutely destroy it on a back road track anything else like that dynamically. It'll just feel better Yeah, and five gonna be a little bit softer. I think I Bet this person would own it for six months and move on If you ever coming from if you're coming from rear-drive well-balanced cars, yeah, it's gonna feel very different Yeah, and they are cool, but you kind of if you're looking at them objectively It's it's an engine in search of a chassis. Yes, it absolutely and that's why the R8 exists Mm-hmm, and if you're if by weekend car Do you mean you're gonna drive it? You know on 70 or over to Estes Park or are you going up? You know twisty roads for a fun time in the mountains because if you're doing that you're gonna get bored quickly. Yeah The Panamera papers says the California tax and fee administration posted the list of the top ten cities Where can you see if you can find this where suspicious car sales to Montana purchasers occurred? It's about as expected, but based on the locations. Do you have any guesses as to the most offending brand? Do we have this this? Okay? All right as Expected is correct the top ten cities where shady Montana sales have taken place Beverly Hills coming in up top 416 Costa Mesa yep 359 that's Richie Rich area down in Orange County Van Nys a little a little more surprising because Van Nys isn't specifically a rich area where people live, but there are lots of high-end dealerships and Van Nys San Diego I don't San Diego gets to be taken just as a whole That's that's pretty funny. That's a pretty big one compared to like Beverly Hills, but Murrietta Irvine Santa Monica Newport Beach Mill Valley and Carl's bad I mean what nine of these are pretty expensive places to live well a bunch of them are where fucking Porsche stores I think I think every single one of those maybe not Santa Monica Has a Porsche dealership. I think every single one of those has a Porsche So I can't help but think that Porsche is the most offending brand But also like Beverly Hills San Diego Newport Beach Irvine They all have also like, you know Rolls Royce Bentley McLaren Ferrari Newport Beach has a Ferrari and a McLaren dealer I mean Beverly Hills has every every fucking dealer imagine I mean there's Pagani in Beverly Hills. There's everything how offensive it's just it bothers Me so much like if you can afford to live in Beverly Hills Sure by a car in Beverly Hills, but you want to skate the sales taxes. Yeah, it just yeah Yeah, yeah, so we can't have nice things. I have to I have to bet the most offending brand is Porsche Just probably my volume, you know, but right probably yeah, probably that or Dude, I gotta tell you in this city 90% of the Ferraris I see driving around or on Montana, right? That's what I'm saying like 90% Yeah, like a like almost all of them And the and the entry price for that car is a lot higher than Porsche I mean it they start they begin where Porsche ends effectively for the most part. Yeah for the most I bet for our is the most defending Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, that could be That could be because we're not talking thousands of cars. We're talking hundreds of cars. Yeah So Beverly Hills wanted to there's 419 instances there's 463 But still it's but across all across that many dealers of 416. Sorry. It was that many across that many types of brands Yeah, like there's a Ferrari. There's a Lambo. There's a McLaren. There's a Pagani Rolls Royce Bentley like all all Porsche Every single brand is in Beverly Hills I'd love to see the percentage of Pagani's Sold yeah, yeah, probably But yeah That's Hilarious all of it. Thanks everybody good show today. It's it's I can't believe I'm saying this after a week on a boat But it is nice to be back. Yes, my bed Was never as comfortable as it was last night. It's Yeah, it was my bed was so great for cats in the bed all night cats were so happy to see us It was great and now we have a heatwave. Yeah, and tomorrow we're gonna go to the track Friday, oh tomorrow's Friday. It's Mara's Friday. There you go tomorrow. We're gonna go to the track with the BMW M2 CS It might be here. I don't know. We'll see nice Yeah, thank you to our patrons for keeping it all going on We'll have a we'll have a March Pro show for you next week the travel is over for a little while and Check out our video We're gonna put up tomorrow with the the 992 turbo s that we're giving away extremely exciting and Yeah, great questions this time. We'll see you next time. Bye