SC EP:1196 The Hunting Club

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved. Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chunting away back and forth, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet to what I saw with bears. 911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Sheriff? See ya. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. This is Alicia from Kenesaw, Georgia and you're listening to the best podcast on the planet, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. I want to first kind of apologize about yesterday. The show for tonight was meant to go out yesterday, but I have this great show planned for you. It's called The Show for Tonight. It's called The Show for Tonight. It's a show that's about to be released in the future. It's not meant to go out yesterday, but I have this little dog named Teddy for those that don't know. And he's been favoring one of his back legs for most of the week, really. And it's only really when he's laying down or when he's trying to get up that he would whine. Once he's on his feet, he's fine. But it was just getting worse and worse and worse all week long. And yesterday he was full blown like crying, just trying to get up. You know, like some wacky parent or something. I'm like freaking out. I'm calling different vets and I finally got a hold of this emergency vet, which you know, they're never cheap. And it was like an hour drive away. But he's my boy. He's my responsibility. And so I drove him to the vet and I'm just stressing the whole time. And I could tell he was in pain most of the week, but it seemed like he was getting worse. And so we went to the vet, you know, he did his full examination and he was basically saying it, you know, I think it's like a, like you and I tearing a hamstring or something, a muscle. And there's nothing really wrong with the joints. There's nothing really. It's just, I think it's a torn muscle. And so he gave him pink killers and antibiotics. He's doing much better today. But I was laughing because the, the vets like, how do you think this might have happened? And Teddy's got the same where I think he thinks he legitimately can fly like Superman. And he does it in my house and I let him get away with it because it's Teddy. But I have this coffee table and the top of it is like fabric, like he would sit on it. It's the most useless thing on the planet, but he does the same. We'll run like full sprint from the kitchen, jump on that and launch himself in the air to land on the couch. And I don't know why he gets away with it. I guess it's because it's him, but he does this and he'll do it in my backyard. Like we'll be at one end of the deck and I could see his eyes light up and I'm like, Teddy, you can't fly. And he'll just take off and launch himself in the air, arm straight out, back leg straight out like Superman. And I think every time he does it, he thinks he's going to fly, but then gravity kicks in and brings him back down to earth and he can't fly. So anyway, I've been worried sick about him. I was up at 3am this morning giving him medicine and just kind of keeping an eye on him. But again, I apologized for yesterday. Tonight we're going to be chatting with Drew and Drew comes to us from South Carolina. He had this incident happen to him back in 2015. He's part of this hunting club out there and he had a full daytime sighting. So I asked him if he'd come on and kind of share it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskoachcronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out saskoachcronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. And again, for the members, I will return tomorrow night. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Drew to the show. Drew, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks, Wes. Yeah, and I wanted to ask you how long have you been hunting on this property out there in South Carolina? Well, this particular property, I was in the club for about five years. I got out for about five years and then been back into three now. So about eight years total on this property where I had the daylight sighting. If you would before you go into what happened to you, what was kind of your feelings about the whole subject of Bigfoot prior to any of this going on? Well, not a whole lot. Kind of back to 1987, I was hunting with some family friends. And I had an encounter during the early morning hours on some different property down in a small town called Modoc, which is about maybe an hour's drive from where this property is, where I went in the woods, hardwood bottom and climbed up a tree stand. And before daylight, something on two legs walked up out of a bottom and got under my stand and was breathing heavy. It just didn't. It was just one of those things that just did not fit. No flashlight. I was like, no way somebody could walk through there, come up and come under my stand. Never seen it, but just it was just out of place. And it turned and walked off after a little bit back in the general direction where it come from. I had a feeling of, you know, there's more to what we know about the woods in the south and across the country than what, you know, we're accustomed to. I mean, you know, when deer, what they sound like when they're walking, you know, what small rodents or animals sound like, but just that kind of just put an uneasy feeling like, you know, what's going on? What was that? And with the time going by, you know, in the south, we'd sit around the table at night and talk to my grandmother and family and stuff. And I was sharing that with her one time and she told me, she saw you saw a booger. I said, what? She said, yeah, booger. She said, well, all the boogers get you. And she ended up being, you know, living about 98 years old. And that stuck with me every time I was around her. You know, I'd want to talk to her about it, you know, get my brain back up or, you know, be a no wind tour. But that just in the back of my mind, and I started looking into the subject a little bit, but just, you know, not knowing where it was going to go. Being a hunter, I said, you know, I'll probably never see one being in South Carolina. I don't, you know, didn't know if there were a lot of them here or not. You'd hear stories here and there, but a lot of people didn't talk about it. So anyway, leading up to that point, I had experiences with people out. We would be, you know, hunting different areas of property. There was like almost a million acres. I think of what the internet says in South Carolina, there's a million acres of game management or public hunting land. And so there's big plots that has four or five thousand acres. With different people, I would go out and hunt and we were stumbling across stuff way back in the woods. It just was out of place. We run across one of these teepee looking structures. And like I said, I didn't see what built it. What in there, but it was just out of place. Another strange event like that. Tracks on dirt roads where you would find footprints on, you know, on the side of the road. And it's like, why would somebody be out here barefooted? And foot, you know, necessarily wouldn't always be that big, but it's just out of place. And with that kind of stuff leading up to this event, I just, you know, had thought about it, but really wasn't deep into the subject. I'd heard about it and, you know, before cell phones come along, a lot of this stuff had already taken place and internet and all that. So when that came about, of course, like anybody else, you would go and research that and anything to think about it or whatever you go look it up and see things. But that's kind of where I was at up to this point. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, I've heard that from many, many hunters where they'll be sitting in their tree stand, you know, hunters don't go in with lights or try and make noise or a lot of times they're sitting in the tree stand. And I've heard this behavior before where something will walk up on two legs, stand underneath the stand, and they can only hear the breathing. And the hunter is terrified. He didn't know what it is. I mean, it sounds like a man, but it's way too big to be a man. And it's just, it's fascinating. I've never been able to really figure out that behavior. Tell me on this property prior to leading up to your sighting, what were some weird things that happened out there? Me and my son was down on one of the stands one evening, my oldest son. And he was still in high school and we were back on a stand one evening and he was on the other side of the road. And I said, well, let me go back and cross this little creek and go over there and see if I can find it. I said, you just sit here and wait. And I got across the creek and we heard noises up the creek that just were out of place. Like a high pitch. I wouldn't call it a whoop. It would be more like a, and it wasn't like a fox. It's really hard to put an hand around it. Just nothing I could recognize it and relate to any animal here. I was like, well, I need to find it. I was like, I need to find it. I was like, I need to find it. I was like, I need to find it. I was like, I need to find it. I was like, I need to find it. I was like, well, I need to hurry up and find this deer is getting dark. And I was able to find it and drag it across the creek. And as we were loading it up, he's like, dad, you hear that? And then I stopped what I was doing because I was focused on getting a deer on the full with her. And I started listening and I was like, I don't recognize that sound. It was just a weird sound. You know, it's just one of those other things really can't put a word to it. But it, uh, to the sound, but it was just out of place. He said he's heard wood knocks down there. So in that same area where being him were hunting. So, but I didn't hear hear that when I was in there that night. But anyway, going back to the places where exactly where I hunted, I, uh, was going in there. It's probably about two years prior to my daylight sighting. So this would have been maybe a second, third year I was in the club before I got out the first time. Um, I was walking in. I got off my full withers where that dirt road comes in from the main club is probably about three quarter mile drive on the full wheeler to where I parked. And I would park just off the edge of the road and I walk the trail down to my stand. And I got back in that morning that morning I was hunting to the left of the creek back angle of going more southeast from where I actually had the sighting. And as I was walking in to my right as quiet as it was that morning, I was going in with a low dim flashlight. I didn't want to really shine up anything. And I was walking and I would hear walking. I heard something walking probably at about a 30 or 40 degree angle behind me. So I stopped and then it took a couple more steps. It stopped and it was two leg walking. I started back walking. It was start back walking. And I still probably had another 75, 80 yards to go and I said, okay, I'm going to stop this time and I'm going to just stand still and see what happens. And I stopped and it stopped. And I turned facing that direction. I said, I'm going to see this vibe stand here and wait till daylight. It's either going to move off or I'm going to see it if it's visible. And I stood there till I could see my hand in front of my face. I didn't see anything, never heard anything else. So I was like, well, I know I'm not hearing things, but what do you do? I'm not going to just stand here. I'm going to go and get my stand. So, you know, that was one of the strangest things that happened. Another day I was in there and down the hollow when I was in my box stand, which is on that same wash in there as a hardwood bottom. They only clear cut the pines up to the edge of the hardwood wash. They don't get tractors and all that in there and get too much work. And they leave that, you know, just for the runoff. But down in that bottom, I had a box stand and I was sitting in that box stand and I was sitting in that box stand. And I heard, I guess you could call it like a bionic whistle, which there was nobody down that way. And then I heard whoops. And that's the first time I'd ever heard any vocalization out of anything that I've heard other people, you know, play, you've played. That's the first time I'd ever heard anything like that. And that was back toward Park Creek and our little river, excuse me. And that little river is called Little River, but it's actually a big river that flows over into Clark's Hill. It's about an 80 mile run of river, which leads all the way back up to do with us, which is a small town between Abbeyville and Anderson. And in Anderson, you know, is at the foothills where you got runs up into Appalachian Mountains. So, you know, all the river chains are like four big lakes to run down through there. And all that area down through there is just, you know, game management or wilderness. And so, you know, that being one of those areas tied to that river, I was like, this is, you know, prime habitat. If I was to ever see something, why, you know, there's once again, there's two strange events. Something parallel on me walking me and then now I hear that. So after that, the next couple, the next following next year, I think they started cutting timber right at the end of the hunting season. And they had clear-cutted the whole hillside that led back up to the road where I parked my full-wheeler. In 2015, it was October, it was middle of the week. I know that because I was by myself that morning when I went to the pegboard. We have what we call the pegboard. It's a large area, a little shack, and there's a few cabins. People stay out every once in a while when they come down. But when I went to pegboard that morning, I pegged in. So it would have been middle of the week. I'm pretty sure it was the second week of October, the second week after gun season had opened because I had killed a deer. I was out of that stand the week before and that always stuck in my mind. And so I was going to go back in that same area. I had a climbing stand on a hardwood tree where I could overlook the hillside. And when I got up in my stand that morning, about 10 o'clock, it was an overcast day. I'm looking, doing the work I had to wind out of the northeast. My four-wheeler, I had parked where I'd always parked it up there. And I could see it once I got up in my stand. Short plans because they had planted them back were starting to come up. And they probably were about four foot tall at that point in time. And to my left down that valley, there was a, the way those short pines get planted in rows, I could see the road that continues on past where I come in and part my four-wheeler. It goes on down and kind of angles to a 45 and it straightens out. So as I'm sitting on this edge of this hardwood edge that drops off into a bottom, I'm watching this whole big clear cut. And like I said, at 1030, 10 or 1030, I'm looking down that way. It looks the same direction from where my other buck I'd killed the week before it had come from, just seeing if I could see anything. And I'm scanning that way and I can only see about half of that road through that row of pines. And I see movement. I'm like, oh boy. So I picked up my rifle. I'm looking down through there and West, what I saw blew my mind. I just, I couldn't find, I had never seen anything move like that. And whatever it was, was down all fours, but it was big from what I could see is its right shoulder, about half of its right shoulder and to an over. I couldn't see its head. I couldn't see its left side at all, but I could see it coming down that road. And it, you know, it almost looked like you would say, oh, like spider crawling or walking. It just was out of place. And I was like, oh boy. When it gets down to where the road for back uphill at a 45, I lost sight of it. I'm like, well, I didn't know if I'd ever see it again. And I had more questions than I had answers. I'm like, what was that? So I'm watching. I didn't put my gun down by then. And it's probably a couple hundred yards to where it tops that hill. And I'm watching up there. And all of a sudden this thing pops up. It don't stand up. It pops up. It's the weirdest move I ever saw, the way it stood up. And then I knew what I was looking at. Because now I'm looking at something that I had seen pictures similar to. I don't know if you remember that movie TV. It's actually a TV series that came on back in the 70s. Land of the Lost. They was a monkey little monkey boy or something that was on that TV show. Yeah, I think his name was Chaka Chaka. Yeah. This thing was about seven and a half foot tall. It's way bigger than that little character on that TV thing. But it looked like that. When I first saw it, it had like cinnamon brown colored hair. When it was coming down the road and I was only seeing half of it. Because it was more shady. But when this thing popped up, it looked more like a. Which I'd call brown sugar color. I think it was because of how much light was hitting it. Maybe it's underside was lighter. I don't know. But at this time it looked a lot lighter in color. But it was seven and a half foot tall. It had a rounded head. It didn't have like a real. Clinical pointed head like some of those pictures I've seen as Patty and other things. This thing had a rounded head and it hadn't patches of hair on its face. It was looking in the direction of my four wheeler. I think it could. And I think the look on its face when it saw my four wheeler. Was what the reason it got up. There's like that's not supposed to be here. And when it's looking at my four wheeler and had that expression on its face. Once again, my brain was trying to comprehend what I was seeing. I didn't ever expect this. You know, you don't never. They always show up. I'm not expecting. I'm sitting there dear on it. And now I'm looking at something that not even supposed to exist. But I had a feeling that, you know, they did from what my grandmother told me and and what had happened back in 87, 88. Walking under my stand. It kind of just kind of went full circle there. My brain's thinking, okay, what am I seeing here? Now I know what I'm seeing. And I just, it was just hard to put into words, you know, and feelings. What, you know, what was standing there. And then at that point, I'm like, what's this thing going to do next? That's the next thought that went in my brain. And I don't know how long it stood there. It wasn't very long, you know, things like that. It seems like slows down. I mean, I replayed in my mind every day. I still see that walk as it's coming down the road, even though I could only see its right side. That movement it was making was just so odd that it just replays in my mind. And the same with when it stood up. I've never seen anything stand up like that. And especially to be in that tall and then seeing expression on its faces. It's looking at my full wither. And like I said, I looked there for a few seconds or however long it was. And then instead of turning its head, which I think they may have been able to do or turn their eyes, its whole upper section, it didn't move his legs. It just kind of turned its shoulders and I was looking in my general direction. I'm like, OK, I wonder what it's picked up on or why it's doing that. I don't know how it could have smelled me. Maybe it just was checking out the area because that full wheeler was there and it was seeing what else was there. But when it turned its shoulders and looked my direction, I'm like in my brain, I'm going, OK, is it going to come this way? Is it going? What's it going to do? Had no idea. I heard a couple of your shows I've been listening to and it was talking about, you know, somebody's full wither got tore up. And then I've talked to people at work and they said, well, and I tell people about my story. People that trust me with my line of work. They know I'm not going to just talk and say something that's not true. My reputation, a lot of business and they're like, why didn't you shoot it? And I'm like, that's the last thing that was on my mind. I said, I had a phone in my pocket, a gun in my hand. I said, I'd never seen one of these things before. And I'm looking at something that I really, you know, back when I was a young boy, my dad always told me, he says, look, if you ain't going to eat it or if it ain't harm you. He said, you best not shoot it. And I took that as good advice. So I didn't want to draw attention to myself and they saw, well, you should have hollered at. I said, no, I said, you know, a hunter is always like you said earlier. You want the element of surprise. You want to be the quieter you are, the better you are. And that's the same thing I was feeling that time. It walked up underneath me. I had no inclination of grabbing a flashlight and turning it on and shutting it down. I didn't know whatever it was below me. I didn't want to know it was up there, even though it might have knew I was. And that's the same feeling I had about when I was looking at this thing. I was trying to study it and figure out as much about it because I, you don't know how long that is going to last. You don't know what it's going to do next. And then immediately in that moment of time, my brain thinking that this thing turns and is like, I don't want no part of this. I'm moving away and it walks straight away from me over the road. And it's probably maybe 25, 30 feet to the next row of pines, but those were a little bit taller and it moved right between them and went on. So that was the end of that sighting, but it changed my life forever. I, you know, I look at a lot of things differently. When I go out in the woods, I feel that I'm not always on edge, but I'm just more cautious. That's a good way of putting it. There was times when I was young, I didn't even own a pistol. I'd have a buoy knife on my pocket or a knife in my pocket and I just head out, but I don't feel the same way anymore. The majority of hunters are really safe with guns and they're not going to shoot something just to shoot it. It's kind of like that mentality you were just talking about where if I'm not going to eat it, I'm not going to shoot it. Obviously, unless they're in danger, the hunter is absolutely going to shoot it. But I think when it comes to Sasquatch and putting one down, I really think a hunter is going to be the last person to do it. When you were looking at this thing, would you describe it and did you put your scope back up when it came back out? Yeah, I never, when it popped up, I could say I was looking with my naked eye. When it popped up, I didn't add that in there, but when it stood up, I took my, that's when I raised my rifle and I was checking it out. And that's when I realized it looked like that character in that TV series came to my mind. It didn't look what I thought by seeing a picture of Patty in the face. It didn't look like that. It wasn't as broad or heavy set as the one picture of Patty. It was more slender, but yes, it was still muscular, but it was, it was tall and kind of almost is the width of its shoulders, of course, were wider than when it dropped down into its legs and had a long torso. His head sit right on its shoulders, but like I said, it was around its head and then its legs were shorter than the torso, which was odd. I mean, you know, it's just the way the thing was built. But the face, like I said, it had patches of hair. The eyes seem to be sunk back in a little bit and kind of a heavier brow ridge. His forehead might have sloped back some, but the skin was kind of an ash color. It just blew my mind. You just can't comprehend seeing something like this and trying to, you know, my brain recorded, of course. Like I said, there's not a day goes by because I listen to the podcast, I watch TV shows, and those boys like, Hey, there's something special coming on. And immediately when I start watching that whole sighting plays back through my mind again. And but like I said, with its face, I really couldn't tell the color. I just know they were dark. With that scope I had, I have three by 50 millimeter scopes. That being, you know, hundreds of yards from where I parked the four wheeler to where I climbed up the tree to overwatch these hillsides. And it kind of widens up to my left. But that's basically all I could tell. I couldn't see any ears. So they must have been smaller. I mean, like I said, the hair, the way if you ever that look that creature up on that TV series, the hair was longer coming off the top of the head. Had more of the forehead showing just like in that creature on that show. But the hair on the side of his head kind of hung down like almost like a guy with a mullet or whatever, but mullets when it's in the back. But it's all the way around the sides over its ears. And that's kind of all the details I had in it. And looking at his face, I was checking it out the best I could in the time I had. But I survived because I know his nose was, you know, flattened it. But no, like a human nose, even though it had when it was on the ground, I didn't see its head. I wished I could have because then I could describe what it looked like. More animal like is when it was crawling. That was more animal like when it stood up. It looked more human like, I guess you'd say minus the fact that it was covered with hair and, you know, just the different facial features. It almost looked like it was. In a sense, you would think when you're talking about a creature like that, like it was maybe interbred a little bit. It doesn't look compared to the patty as being the standard. This thing looked a little bit different. I've heard that Chaka character referenced many times by eyewitnesses. Would you say what you were looking at was more human like? I would say about 50-50. Like I said, it had human features just kind of like a, you know, an orangutan or a monkey or whatever. They have, you know, eyes, ears, mouth, teeth like ours knows. But then, you know, they more resemble a monkey. But then, you know, a gorilla resembles a gorilla. But then you mix in that human factor of a human face mixed into that. You could even go to say, as far as a little bit of a Native American look mixed in there. I know I've seen on totem poles and mass that they carved a big foot. They had to be spot on because, you know, it really had that oval, facial look that a lot of those Native American people. Native American carvings look like they knew what it looked like in the face when they carved that. I really believe they saw the same thing that I saw or similar to. And when you said it looked at your four wheeler, almost like, oh, that doesn't belong here. What was that expression like that gave you that impression? It was like. Shocked. And at the same time, kind of confused. Like that shouldn't be there. And I don't know what it was doing. I don't know if it was traveling up that road. You know, when it down on all fours and not seeing its head, I couldn't tell if it was sniffing it around. I can only speculate what it was up to. But when it got to the top of Hillan and obviously there's some had to see my four wheeler, which is the only reason I popped up soon. But with that look on its face, it like that shouldn't be there. And it was more of a kind of almost like a frown, like it was disappointed. But at the same time, it was like frustrated. Does that make sense? Yeah, that does make sense. And so kind of the expression you're describing almost sounds more human than it does really animal. Yes. And that in that aspect, yeah, because if you look at most animals, they look the same whether they're mad or the only difference between mad is their mouse open and they're growling or the mouse closed. And you say, oh, I guess everything's OK. With this thing, you could tell it had a motion. I mean, it showed a motion to itself. And to its expressions. And like I said, that's, you know, my mind at that point in time when I was looking at it and then it finally turn its shoulders toward my direction and general direction. That look was like, what was what's it going to do next? That was the biggest question at that point. I said, is it going to come toward me? Is it going to make any sound? Is it going to go toward my four wheeler? I mean, I had no idea. But that expression was like either, you know, a frustration that interrupted what he was doing or whatever he was doing. And he didn't like it. And then it was kind of like at the same time, maybe I shouldn't be here or I'm the one that shouldn't be here. But I'm not going to confront this because I don't know where what's going on down there. Who's there? Why that's there? I'm just going to get out of the area. After I looked at the four wheeler and kind of turned in your general direction, do you think it knew you were there? I think I think it was just trying to scan what else might be in the area. I don't think the sun was shining enough to pick up a glare off my scope. Because like I said, at that point, I was looking through my scope so I could get a good close up view. There was no doubt what I was looking at was flesh and blood. And if and not only when I said, when people ask me why don't I shoot it? I was like, well, it wasn't threatening me. What turned up before we were I had no reason to kill it. I wasn't going to eat it. What would I do with it? If I killed it at that point in time? I mean, all those quick questions go through your brain. You know, of course, a hundred times since then I'm going, you know, well, you saw one and you had a chance and you must have been famous. But that's not always, you know, the telltale. What it messed up, you know, like I said, I'm a hunter first. I don't go to the woods just to see Bigfoot. I was a fortunate thing that happened. I guess you could say it's changed my whole thoughts on a lot of things about the woods. But I love to hunt so much and being an avid hunter, I ain't going to let it change how I feel about the woods. Because people ask me so much. You saw one of those things that you scared. I'm like, well, you know, we should be scared to get on the highway every day. I mean, you can, you know, it's just one of those things where, you know, you never want to know when somebody's drunk driver is going to hit you. I said, I go the same way to the woods. I don't know when something might happen, but I'm not going to let that incident and that experience change how I feel about the woods. That's just me, you know. Yeah, I generally try and tell people, especially hunters, not to shoot them. Obviously, if they're threatening you, send lead down range. Or even if it was tearing apart my four wheeler, I would have shot it. But, and I've said this many times on the show, I don't believe that they run around by themselves. I think if you see one, there's probably two or three nearby and they tend to have a revenge streak. And so I tend to tell hunters not to shoot them. If you want to become famous or infamous and shoot a Sasquatch, I'm all for it. I don't have a lot of love for these things. So I'm not saying it for Sasquatch's sake, mainly for the hunter safety. But it is interesting too about the spider crawl. I remember when me and my brother reported that and we were laughed at. I remember all these big time big foot researchers said, oh, they don't move. They don't do that. They don't move like that. And it's like, well, I don't know what to tell you. That's what we, you know, that's what we saw. That's so strange, Wes, because I didn't even know they did that. When, like I said, when I had that walk up under my stand and I did a little research after that between that sighting and or the sighting I had in 2015 and then having that experience because I can't. I can only speculate what that was. But like I said, the strange things that I've run across out in the woods that just out of place up to that point where I see this thing. It's just one of those scenarios where I didn't know all in it. And nobody would probably know everything about these things. I think even if they study when they still don't know it because they don't know what it does in the time it's in the woods. I mean, if we had one on our table, they'd still be, you know, speculating, you know, what's this migration or habits or whatever. Unless they was able to track one or tag one and follow it that way. Maybe they can in the future. I don't know. But I didn't know they even got on all fours. And after I had that experience, the first thing one of the first things I've done when I got home from the hunt and told my family about it. And of course, you know, they were, you know, just didn't know what to say. But I got on and go that I was like, well, let's just see. And sure enough, you know, reports in Kentucky, you know, there was just numerous people had spotted these things crawling on all fours. I didn't even know that they did that. I thought, you know, OK, it's a Sasquatch. They walk around like we do, you know, but nope. And that's what, you know, the whole thing that about that experience, that was really just overwhelming was it approached me doing something I didn't know it could do. I never thought about it doing. And then I see it in its second way it moves around. And it doesn't drop out on all fours to walk away. So what's the mindset that they have between crawling and walking, you know, is can they travel faster or they why they do that? I don't know. It's just strange. I mean, you know, a deer, he stays on all fours all the time unless they fight and they can rare up a kick and stuff like that. But this creature has multiple ways of moving around. So I think a lot of times people's idea of one thing is shocked by another. And that's just another thing about this creature is it is kind of unpredictable. And the fact that, you know, you don't know, you just don't know what they're going to do and how they're going to react. Yeah, my personal opinion. And then again, it's just my opinion. I think they do it for stealth. And I think the other reason why they might do it. You know, as a hunter, you're engaged with all your different senses and being low to the ground like that. I wonder if it was kind of smelling and sensing where everyone was at where they kind of left the four wheeler. And then when it popped up and was looking at the four wheeler, I almost wonder if I almost wonder if they have that same feeling we get of being watched. Like it knew it was being watched and it was time to go. And I'm just guessing, of course, I wasn't there and it's just my opinion. Yeah, that's a good that's a good possibility. I know since that occurrence, it seems like, you know, I'm more in tune with what's going on in the wood. It just sharpened my skills that much more, I guess, because I'm knowing that they're out there. A lot of times I would be just, you know, in the woods and just happy to go lucky. And I'm a lot more sharper now. And, you know, and I'm listening out for signs for that and whatnot. Not that I'm totally scared, but just just just being a hunter. You know, we were born with the God given abilities he gives us. And then we go to school and they teach us things. And then by the time we get out of school, we're filled with a lot of books and knowledge that with have truths. And then our real true life experiences is really what we grow on. And I think in that sense, you know, learning just in that short window, it wanted me to know more about it. And that's what really led into me studying it. And then my son turned, my youngest son turned me on to your podcast. And I've just absolutely enjoyed it because it just you don't get to hear it anywhere else. But hunters down here are one other short tidbit about that. But right after I had spotted that one, one of the chief, I'd say chief guys in the club, the elders, this was one of the older elders of the club was sitting there one day, following week after I had that sighting in 2015. And I was like, you know, I'm just going to pop the question. And it was over in the afternoon, we were getting ready to peg in to go hunt that evening. I said, Terry, I got a question and I know it's going to sound out in the middle. And I was just expecting him to, oh, no, I said, Terry, have you ever seen a big foot or anything? Look like a big foot down here. And he shot me with his he turned and he looked at me and he said, well, I was back here on stand one three 13. And he said, I was sitting up there in the morning. And he said, up out of a bottom. He said, I saw, I say, he said, I guess you would call it a young one. But look what you're talking about. And come up on out of the bottom up into it was like a little shooting lane of grass. And there was a big pine stumps down through there. And he said, it crawled up on one of those pine stumps and stood up. And I said, really? And he said, yep. And he said, and it's, you know, kind of put his head back, kind of looked around, sniffed around. And then he said, it turned and went right back. He said, but it did when it come off that stump, it went back on all fours and went back down in the bottom. And I was like, well, I can't believe it, Terry. I thought, oh, for sure, you're going to tell me I was crazy. And he said, no, did that happen? So I know for sure I ain't the only one on that club. No, other people haven't come out and said anything. I really haven't asked a whole lot of questions, but I know I'm what not only one that spotted one on that property. Yeah. And a situation like this where it's a hunting club, I would be shocked if you're the only one that ever saw it. I almost wonder how many people in the hunting club have shot a deer and went to look for it and it vanished. So that's happened with no doubt about it. There's several deer over the. Oh, see, five and then I got out for five. I got back for eight years. I've been there and probably some of the years while I was gone. I know there was several deer that was shot and fatally wounded and we never found them. And I wonder sometimes, you know, is that a dinner bell for these things? Are they no hunters or shooting deer? And are they hoping to find it before we do? But I shot one since I've been back in the club a couple years ago. I knocked this deer down and I knew it was down and then I had a nice buck and then I had a doe come out. I shot her and she ran off and fell down and died. And so I climbed now sit there for about another 30 minutes, getting close to dark. I walked down, found the first one, drug it out. And then I went on down where I knocked the other one down and there was a puddle of blood and some blood going up the bank. But it was just drops and the deer was gone. And we I went back down there and spent a half a day the next day scouring that hillside and found nothing. So it wasn't shocked me at all. Yes. I mean, if they did, I'd never seen them eat a deer, but if they do, then, you know, that's a possibility. Good possibility. You know, prior to your sighting, there was a lot of weird things that went on. You were finding weird structures. You were hearing weird things in the woods. Did you kind of know what was going on? I mean, thinking back to that incident that was about 28 years earlier when you were in a tree stand. Did that go through your mind or were you just like, I don't know what what is going on here, but we're just going to continue to hunt here. And that's the way it is. I mean, did you kind of know what was going on? Oh, I really didn't know. Other than, like I said, the prior experiences, I just I figured it may be. But like I said, not seeing it along with it, you can only, you know, say maybe or speculate that that's what that is, but it doesn't fit the place. I mean, like, you know, when it's out of place, it's out of place. We have occasional black bear down here. And that's really rare. Mainly is, you know, coyotes, white-tailed deer, turkeys, squirrels, foxes, raccoons, ducks and geese. But that's about it. You just don't have any animal sounds outside of the owls. You do, of course, and coyotes make noises. But the weird sounds that just don't fit, you just in the back of your mind, you're saying, is this Sasquatch or is this Bigfoot, whatever you booger, whatever you want to call it? I think most people around here calling boogers in the south, they want no more about what you talk about when you mention that, then they do Bigfoot, especially the older people I talk to. But other than hearing other people's experiences and what they heard and say, they hear sounds and they correlate it to it. That was just weird stuff and didn't fit. And that's why, like I said, when I finally saw this and it was like, OK, then maybe this is what making these sounds. I mean, with other experiences people have told and they tie the two together because they've seen it and heard it and kind of puts one plus one equals two. Yeah, I would imagine, especially after you see it, there's always that moment of, oh, I wonder if that's what all that weird stuff was that I experienced before. Your grandmother, she talked about the boogers. Did you ever get a chance to talk with her as far as what she knew or ever have any long conversations with her about the boogers? Well, she told me that she was a little girl. And the reason that she said that because I was telling, you know, telling her that story about mine and what I thought it might be. And she says, well, she says, when I was a little girl, you know, we didn't have screen windows back in the days, they would open the windows at night when it was hot. That's just the way it was. And she said one night she heard something and she woke up and she looked through her bedroom window and there was a hairy hand reaching in toward her nightstand. And she said that, you know, she just froze. And I don't know, you know, I can't remember all the details from that point on, but that's what she was telling us. So. Yeah, that's creepy. That's really creepy. I wanted to ask you, you know, after that experience you had in the 80s, which again, I've heard that sort of encounter many, many, many times. And people react the same way you did where you just sit there kind of still and hope it goes away. And then after actually seeing this creature, what do you think that they are? What's kind of your take on it? I believe it's an animal that has characteristics that we humans have. That's my firm belief in it. I don't see if, you know, if we found where I guess you'd say that they were characterized different than that, then I would say, you know, by things they left behind where it was more human like, you know, I think this just the appearance has human like features. Like I said, we are saying a while ago, there's monkeys and gorillas and whatnot to have same features we do. They just don't look as human like, but that doesn't make them human. But, you know, same difference with this. I feel like it's an animal, a wild animal with that. And they got to be the ninjas of the forest. I'm the extreme hunters of the land. I mean, to hunt with their bare hands, they don't use weapons that I've never seen. I've seen only seen one and I've never seen anything or anybody contribute to say other and maybe rocks. They use their hands. So, you know, with that thing and be able to slip up on prey, got to be an animal. You know, if they are half and half or something that goes back into the past, then, you know, wow, that's all I can say to that. Wow, you know, so I would lean toward the animal side. Yeah, I respect your thoughts on it. And you still hunt this property. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not afraid to go. Like I said, something's gonna take me out. It's gonna take me out carrying with 300 windmags. Some people say it's overkill. I said, yeah, but I don't track deer very far when I do get them. But, uh, I got that in a nine millimeter during gun season. Like I said, uh, I just go. It's a passion. It's like some people have a desire to go deep sea fishing or hiking or whatever, but, you know, hunting is my deal. And there's one other thing I want to tell you about West. It's not Sasquatch for a while, but I've heard some of your shows back. I'm still listening. I think I'm in the 400s trying to catch up because my son turned it on. You've already been going quite a few years, but I was down at my brother in laws, which is probably 15 months. Away from the hunting club. And me and my son were back in their bow hunting when I went to check a trail camera right at dark. And from the bottom to our right, my son had just climbed out. We call it the Fern stand. I have a stand in there for bow hunting and it's 48 acres of private land that ties into a bunch of other privately. And my brother in law, that was bow hunting back there when we went to. And because I was out of the club and helping my son, you know, get started in the college, we would just go there and still be in the club because I wasn't a member. And one evening we were back here, like I said, I went down and he was, he had climbed out of the stand and started up toward the road. And I said, Hey son, I'm going to go down here and check the trail camera card. So he stopped at the foot of the hill. Instead of going back off in the bottom and I went down close to where Fern stand is and found the trail camera. And I retrieved the card out of it and I closed the door on it. And when I closed the door on it and went stand up this light, a ball light size of a basketball. It was not really lit up like you would say a strong beam of light. It was a dull blue color, but it was a light dull blue and it had like a little bit of white around the maybe outer edge of it. And as it shined coming up out of the bottom, it shined at like a 45 degree angle from left to right. But behind it, it was not illuminating any light. And the light was enough to shine and see trees and you could see what it was shining up, but it was like not like a bright, blinding light. And at the moments that blue would turn almost to a dull, maybe deep orange color, amber color, I guess. And then it would come and go back into the blue color. And this thing was controlled. It was not some gas bubble floating through. This thing was controlled. And while I was standing at the trail camera, my son said, because I turned and looked up at him and I'm like, are you seeing this? He goes, yeah. He said when I said that and was turning back toward him, he said it came up over my head. I don't know. I said, well, how high? He said, pop out 20 feet over your head. And when I had turned back around, it was coming back down. So I didn't see all the movement at bay, but while I was over my head, I was looking his direction. But when I turned back around, it was coming back down from an upper position above me. And it was shining up to the woods to the left, which goes across the creek and goes on some other private property. And it was lighting up the woods west as it went up the hill. It was, like I said, a 45 from dead center where it was facing. It would be like 45 to the left, 45 to the right. Anything behind it was completely dark. Strangest thing I ever saw in my life. And this thing was maneuvering through the trees. I mean, it would go to the left avoid this tree and then it would go back straight and it would go up this way a little bit. I had no idea what it was. But like I said, my son can vouch for that when he saw it with me. Strangest thing ever. Yeah, I appreciate you sharing it. The lights are weird. I'm with you. They're weird. I don't know what they are. And when you say controlled, I get it. They don't just aimlessly float like they're nothing. It's almost like there's a weird intelligence behind it. And this didn't happen in the same place where you had your sighting. No. My son said he's had rockstone aim down there bow hunting before. But then Bush is shaking, but he never saw anything. I've never had any experience there at all other than seeing deer in that light. Like I said, and I came over there to where he was at just to retrieve the trail camera pictures. And that happened. And I could say it was right at dark. And he told me even when we were leaving, he said, Daddy, I heard weird stuff down in there tonight. He said, I just couldn't put my finger on it. He said it wasn't normal. And I said, well, that ain't normal either. You know, we talked about several times on the ride home. We live about 30 minutes from there. And like I said, it's about 40, 45, 50 minutes to the club. So when my brother-in-law is he's in the club with us, it's only about 15 minutes from there to where I have my sighting of the booger Sasquatch Bigfoot. There's a hundred names for Indians named every tribe. So I know with that going on, I always had an ankle. And I said, with every story, there is a bit of truth. And too many people from the globe around with all the different names have seen the same thing, look at the same. They look similar, but they are the exact same. I don't believe so. I've seen so many variations, heard so many people tell variations in there. The variations are the same. Depending on how many people you talk to or listen to, some of the people seem the same variation in the same area. So that tells me there's multiples. But he has had experiences down there and do with us. Yeah, I really wish I knew what the lights were. I've only seen them twice. And on the second occasion, I actually thought it was someone with a flashlight that was walking. It was kind of that motion. But the other one I saw kind of it sounds very similar to what you saw. And it is a kind of a dull light. I wouldn't really say either one of them was a terrifying experience. It was just weird and just kind of confusing, but not terrifying. Yeah, it didn't put me in a position where my heart was about to beat out of my chest with the one walking up in the dark and breathing if that's what it was. Like I said, I'm speculating because I didn't see it. But that really put me into overdrive. The daylight sighting, it put more of, like I said, just blew my mind. And then seeing that light was just, I was just like, wow, you know, we think we know what's going on in this in this world. And we don't have a clue. I mean, they ain't none of that. No history books. They taught us and they know that nobody talking about on the news. You know, you're crazy if you see something like that. I know I'm not. There's most people, they live their daily lives. They drive up and down the highway. They go to same places to eat. They go to the same place to work. They go to the same places to party. They never get out in the outdoors. And those of us that enjoy that, we have so much more to see, so much more to do. And we are experiencing a heck of a lot more than most people realize. And that's probably part of the drive that makes me like to go out and hunt. There's always a new experience. And anytime out there is better. Good day at work. I think a bad day was better than a good day at work. Yeah, without a doubt. And I, you know, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it. You'll have to let me know if anything else happens on that property. And I know, you know, that you go back to hunting everything. Be careful, will you? I sure will, Wes. I appreciate you. Let me share. Like I said, I enjoy the show. I'm trying to catch up. But it's a good out for those that their lives, their lives been changed by having an experience. You can't get closure or at least, I guess that feeling, like I said, unless you see another one in the woods, it's not going to give you any more insight. So you have to listen to other people's experiences to kind of build on what you've got and what you experienced because it's just one of those things. Can't put it away. So therefore you got to kind of feed it. I guess it's the best way I could put it. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. 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