Undefeated Indiana, Mendoza's Ceiling, Bills Fire McDermott, Titans Hire Saleh, and Button Down Shirts

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I don't know if people realize how big of a story this is. You know what I mean? Indiana went undefeated. Just an awesome story. The coach, signates a great like story, hilarious dude, finally smiled at the very end there. Just a lot to dig into. I think it was a really fun game. The second half was fun. The first half was pretty boring, to be honest, the national title game, but yeah, got fun at the end there. Yeah, first half was defense. Second half was offense. I mean, the memes are funny. I can already see all the memes now of just the, you know, after sending three emails on a Friday and then it cuts the Kurtz signate, he's like, I'm going to open a beer. He's just the absolute best. But I mean, there's so many things with this Indiana one, this Indiana story. And I think it's all, it's been hit a lot, but the one that this stat someone said this at ESPN this morning, I couldn't believe it. Indiana went 136 seasons without winning 10 games and then Kurtz signate showed up, which just stopped me in my tracks. And then the other one that's incredible is Indiana is the first team to win 16 games since Yale in 1894, which struck me because Red Dead Redemption 2 takes place in 1899. Yeah, one. Like in the Red Dead Redemption 2 storyline, Yale had already, like, Yale had won 16 games, like horse, john, carts to the game. And I bet you some of those players were in the game. Yeah, exactly. Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, the 1894 Yale team. Don't worry, I checked it out. They had a guy named Frank Butterwork. We went by silent Frank. Frank Butterwork, Butterworth. Butterworth. But they called him silent Frank. If he was famously ennucleated by Bert Waters during the Bloodbath and Hampton Park, he was famously what? I don't know what that means. I don't know what it means. Someone went, it's all created Harvard Yale, the Harvard Yale games, the administrators were so shocked by the violence of the Bloodbath and Hampton Park football game that the games were canceled for three years. What is it? Oh, yeah, I've been in like a herd of this. It's like Dodge Ball. It was like the Helsinki 1919. Was it Rogers ennuculated before the COVID season? Exactly. He was. He was like, uh, uh, Brick Tannlin, he's like, are you guys doing your celebrity golf tournament again this year? No, too many people died last year. That's like, they literally did that for three years. Did you opinion of Fernando Mendoza change it all after watching the National Championship? I think maybe a little bit. Yeah, I think over the last couple of games watching him play in those situations, it's absolutely sort of unflappable. It felt like he's just so confident, always kind of even keeled the ways that he put Indiana in position to win. I think this guy's the best back, back shoulder thrower I've ever seen in my life. He just is so good at timing that. That's obviously hyperbole, but he's very good at the back shoulder throw in like those key clutch situations. His run to on fourth and five for a touchdown, it's going to go down in history. It's an all-time play. It is. It's such a great, like the basketball term posterizing someone. That is a poster shot of him diving into the end zone. You're going to have so many kids amulating that play over the next couple of years. Just a really, really cool job by Indiana, but I think Mendoza in particular, he cemented himself as the number one pick for the Raiders. I think they have to take him at this point. He's just such an infectiously positive guy. I think people are going to make fun of him for being a total cornball, which he is. For sure. But I kind of like it. I kind of like it. Yeah. He Ted Lassod me. Yeah. That's a good call. He's very Ted Lassod. He should be made fun of for it. It's fun to tease him for it. I think he's game for it and it's like open to it. That run was pretty special. Fourth and five. Do you see his arms after the game? Oh, yeah. His lip was bleeding. Yeah. His arms were all beat up. He's sneaky, large man. Like I feel like his personality makes you think he's small. But he's like six, five, two, 30. But even his forms and his hands and his wrists, he is a huge dude. I'm excited to see him in person because I feel like he's going to be bigger than I even think he is right now. Just seeing him like get interviewed on the sidelines. He looks massive and super tough physically. I mean, him taking that hit to the back, extending into the end zone on that run. After getting like double crunched, turned around, stopped, plants on that knee, turns around and extends into the end zone and gets crushed in the back. One of the tougher runs I've seen from a quarterback in a long time. Yeah. I don't really. I don't really. I don't really. I don't really know. Oh, my God. To run a quarterback draw in that situation. Yeah. Four and five. Well, let's be honest, they're Kurt Signetti. They almost blew it because I mean, the clock manager from Signetti was pretty terrible in this game. The end of the half, they had this crate. I honestly was wondering if any of you didn't know they had two time outs because they just had 34 seconds left at midfield and just did use one till five seconds left and Signetti was screaming. But then that drive, they literally had fourth and fifth. They were late deciding to go for it. So the offense was late running the play and they called time out on fourth and five. Well, they didn't have the kick in unit out and then they changed their mind. Yes. That was the second time because it happened twice on the same drive, which is like, how does that happen? It's like a simulation. Fourth and five, late for going for the first time out and then literally the exact same thing happened and they came out of it. I love Signetti was just like, yeah, we just got to thought they'd be in the same coverage as the previous play and they were. So you know, we're chips. But Violin, with that in mind, you got to go read Roger Sherry. Herman wrote for the ringer this week that he, he posited that Frank Signetti has done the best job, the best coaching job. Sorry, Kurt, what did I say? Frank. Well, you're thinking about silent Frank from the 1894 year before. Kurt Signetti has done the best, he's, he's done the best coaching job of any coach ever this year, which I think is a very interesting argument. He says it's not the best, to be clear, it's not the best coach of all time, but the best coaching job of any coach ever in the season. They obviously won undefeated one, the national title Indiana, especially being a team that, I think some people could have considered it literally the worst program in college football. You know, that certainly have just made your confidence. Well, sure, yeah. So pre-wild, pre-great. Also Frank Signetti is Kurt Signetti's brother who is, he was an NFL coach and he's the offensive coordinator at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. So it is a little confused. Which is where Kurt Signetti was, which is insane. No way. Well, that's the thing. I, we can get back to Middleton this second, but the Signetti thing, I don't know, we can, we can go back to Middleton in a moment, but we're not, I am not like some college football expert, but I don't know how we don't talk. Like, how the fuck did he do this? We should say that recently Mark Cuban decided to give Indiana like 20 million dollars. No, that, no, that was during this season, I believe. That was before, Mark Cuban saw how good last year was where he got them to the quarter finals and the more Cuban saw that and was like, okay, this guy knows what he's doing. And I think also there's, I think both of them are from Pittsburgh. I think Cuban is in El Sozignetti, but that wasn't baked in when he took the job. I don't know what you guys think, but when he took the job, sure, but this team had the NL money, right? Yes, this team has NL money, but like everyone has NL money. Like everyone has their billionaire that's doting upon them. Texas Tech is just like, when you're going up against like Alabama and Georgia and whoever is like, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the larger thing with like, college football right now is like the larger thing in society is I feel like in the 1800s, you know, there's always like, rich benefactors and like Andrew Carnegie used to like build libraries everywhere in America. They used to build opera houses and art. Now, it was like football team. That was like they built football teams. Like that's what your local billionaire does, your local friendly billionaire pay. Yeah, which quarterback can I buy for my former alma mater? That is what benefactors do now, but I, I, I, anything, I, maybe I'm wrong. They used to, they used to pay for like Michelangelo to sculpt seven, you know, whatever is it. And then now it's just, I want to sculpt a national title. You could make the case that NIL's ruining college football. You could also make the case that it's making it way better because all this stuff was just happening behind closed doors. And now it's like a little bit more out in the open. And I think people are more open to like people like Mark Cuban being like, yeah, I'll help Indiana. It's kind of cool now that it used to just be, who's it going to be? Indie, is it going to be Bama Clemson or Georgia this year? And now it's like, well, there are other teams now that can make a run and seeing a team like Indiana do this. I don't know. I was going to say, if it's you wrote this down, but I think it's so fascinating. It's almost like a money ball situation type of deal where this is one of the oldest teams ever in college football. It's, I think you wrote down it's like two years younger than the Packers average age of like, oh, yeah, I think that's exactly what happened here. So the average age of Indiana is 23 and the average age of the Green Bay Packers this season was 25. This is great. And like there, there's a old Mitch Hedberg joke. He's like, I wish I could go back to Loli now. I'd kick some fucking ass. It's like these 23 year olds played a bunch of like 18 year old. This is a good thing. Meanwhile, like, uh, freaking Tony on the Gators who obviously I did a job. He's actually 18. Yeah. A few weeks ago, like, when I started watching Miami a few weeks ago, it was just like desperately, Google, if he was Gidaris, Tony's brother or something, which, thank God, he's not Malachi Tony. Yeah. Yeah, Malachi Tony was born in September of 20, 2007. He's very good. He looks like Percy Harvin. Yeah. He looks like he does look like Percy Harvin. But like the fact that Brady's, like the 16 and 0 Patriots season, Brady had six passing touchdowns already and that season, the kid had been born. It's like, it's like, signety is almost doing what some college basketball teams do, which is just like, we're just going to be the oldest team in the league. We're going to have these like three four star guys who are more developed. They have chemistry rather than the five star freaks who are 18 and 19 years old. Who might be a little more raw, but more talented. Signety with the other way. He's like, we're going to get the guys who I know are productive. This was a tidbit from Rogers article. And I think I'm just off the dome here, but he said basically in the era of recruiting where they would do stars, the national title winners every year going back to since this has been a thing has had at least 50% of their roster four and five star players. And eight percent of Indiana's roster is a four or five star player. And those are two stars. So this is what's up. Yeah, he could we know this is what's amazing about his story. He wanted to try to run my Miami. And he also literally tried walking on because he grew up a mile from the freaking stadium. He literally could have walked on and they wouldn't let him. And that was the story they have last night where his mom was basically like, they tried to get him to transfer their last year. His mom was like, fuck that. Like we tried to get you didn't want us. But I totally agree. And Rogers article on this for the ring was awesome. But I think that it's baked into why this happened in Indiana. At least the way I've wrapped my mind around like what happened with this team is again, I feel like I've been talking about this all month really about like coaches, anyone, like you're going to have a certain world view or philosophy of how you build your team. And then like at some point the world's maybe shifts in your direction. And I think Kurt Cedetti that line he always says is production over potential. And he I think that's a division two mindset. Like he was at James Madison and they went from FCS to FBS, whatever you want to call it. But he had all these James Madison FCS FBS guys. And I think that the reason Indian is dominated is that mindset now works in the NIL era. And no one knew it because what had worked with that stat with Roger where you need a bunch of five and four stars. That makes sense when kids train kids sign up and they're there for four years. 105 years because you're going to lead athlete and you're going to develop. But if everyone's in a one year contract, which is what I know NIL is potential is irrelevant. There's no point to having potential. If you want good now, like if you're Malik, I tone in you can perform at 18. That's fine. But if you actually need time to develop who cares? I only want guys who are professionals and can and play now. And that to me that mindset happened to be perfect right when this NIL stuff started. Yeah. It's a little bit like to make the college basketball comparison again. Like John Calapari, the former coach of Kentucky's now Arkansas. Like they they were they were always super talented. Right. They always had these guys that were lottery picks. But they would kind of flame out in the tournament because they were all 18. They had no chemistry. And they would do you after two years, right? They had been on campus for five months and they were getting ready to leave. The second they would lose in March, madness. And in that often would like come back to bite them a little bit in the tournament. And it's kind of what the opposite of that is what Indiana did where it's like we're going to get guys who. Yeah, like you said, I think it's like they have chemistry. You build up in the program. They might be a three star, not a five star, but they've been around. They know, signety, they know the system. And it's like that ends up working. They're relative pros to their yeah, they're they're disciplined. This was a again, Shots of Roger. They were one of the least penalized teams, I think in college football. They're just like a professional team. Like a protein. Yeah. And to the point, again, the whole thing, well, they weren't three stars. And I forget, I think someone I apologize. I forget who said this in college football. But the point was these guys were three stars like seven years ago. They're 23 years old. Like Carson Beck is the quarterback for Miami Malacred Tony was 12 years old and Carson Beck in a role in college. And so there's a big gap here. But the other thing with the three stars is, you know, whoever listening to this, remember when you were 23, maybe you don't feel like you were that mature. But then think about what you were when you were 18. And how much you learned between 18 and 20. The male brain keeps developing until our late 20s or like your body changes a lot in that time too. Your body, it's crazy different. And so that's another reason why hat, cap in the flether for why I don't think that the floor should be fired because the backers are two years old in Indiana. They're 25. I just look at this. That's an amazing stat. It is. And I look at this Indiana team. Can I just hit the packers beat Bama like Indiana did? Oh, man. Yeah. But I just, I, I do think that's the lesson is the potential in a way like the NFL has the system now like the rookie contracts in a four year developments like, well, they need potential more than college does, which is funny to think about. But I just that old system of Nick Saban bringing in a five star. And then like every year the Bama running backs was the mean, right? Mark Ingram. And then it's like Derek Henry or not. Eras or and it was just like TGL. And it was this endless stream of Bama running backs because they'd go and you'd wait two years and then you were that guy and you went in the husband. And now those guys, they just go there for not going to start. Exactly. They're more spread out across the country, which means that the, the, the layer of five stars is thinner at the top. Well, it's just the idea that just get the guy. Basically, it's funny because I figured this out playing the college football video game that came out. If they're going to play for you for one year, you don't actually need the high development trade of like this guy could be a 99. Right. You're an 85 right now. That's all I care about. I don't need a 79 overall. That could be a 98. I, he's good because if he gets that, he's going to leave. So I don't know. It's really cool. Would he be able also Hall of Fame, Kurt Segedetti, shit talking, backing it up. First ballot Hall of Fame goes to Indiana with, who had at the time he took over, never won 10 games in a season. He's, and they're like, why should, what are you going to tell Kurt? He's like, I win. Google me. Google me. I, he's there in another advantage of someone back talking so much shit. He said, he's like talking on a high estate Michigan suck at basketball games for Indiana before he'd even coached like, has anyone else talked this much shit and then it backed it up to this degree ever and anything Bobby Knight. Like, I don't know. He's like right up there with that. Like this is up there. I was going to say this is up there with like Babe Ruth fucking calling a shot. Pointing it's way better. This is all right. Joe Namon saying they're going to, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Joe Namon is the right thing. Like, we're going to, because that was the closest thing to the joke. That was like the could bam a beat the Browns. That was what he was saying. That's a thing like, yeah. He should never leave Indiana. I mean, I was going to ask what's his, what's his next move? He was offered a lot of jobs and he resigned with it. He's like, fuck that. I'm staying here. He's 64 years old. To me, this is like the whole point. You know, that's like the meme now. I sometimes I almost forget this is the entire point. Like, this is the perfect situation. Do not fail and pull into Sabin and go to the dolphins. Like, stay and enjoy this and be on Indiana for the rest of your life and have the best sunset of your career ever and revitalizing this dormant franchise from over 120 years. Like, what's better than that? Who cares? Don't go to an NFL team. This is the best spot you could ever be and enjoy your life. How much is he making? I wonder. It's much. It's a ton. He more money than you possibly spend. He gets Chipotle for lunch every day. He said 550 street days at Chipotle. They said, I agree with that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? He just, it's like, you know, the Obama did this gym part ball. He's like, he came with case of he is, but Chipotle. Yeah. So you have to make so many decisions every day. You don't change your lunch order. So it gets the same lunch order every day. I love that. But did you just throw out a number? Is that real? No, that's real. I don't know if it's 550. It's like 512 here. 500 points. It was 512. It was 512. Of the same Chipotle meal. Maybe Christmas. He didn't have it, but like they get him luck. Sky knows ball. He does the work every day. He's been eating all over the world for over 60 days a year. Oh, Wall Street Journal, he's eating 500 bowls at Chipotle at, maybe it's not all, he's eating bowls. That's actually more healthy. Look at that. The bowls are great. Oh, he has, like, he has a calorie count down and everything. Yeah. Wow. He's like, is he eating Chipotle, like, like, Chi style, where it's just chicken and no sauce? He does not scream hot sauce to me. No, I hear. I think he's playing it safe. Wait, we have the order. I bet you like it. He's monitoring his order. Yeah, guess who ordered for Kurt's dignity. White rice. They say rice. I assume it's white. White rice chicken. Yes. Pinto or black beans, I'm saying he's pro beans. Correct. I'm going to say he does cheese guacamole and mild salsa. No, chicken. And corn and corn. No cheese, yes, guacamole. It's just rice beans, chicken guac is the order. Rice beans, chicken guac. He is like pie. So it could be fake. No, Kai, Kai would never get it. Glock is way too spicy. Guacamole? No. It's a remarkable story. You know, it's also funny about Indiana. They're offensive coordinator. Do you know the name of the Indian offensive coordinator? Oh, yeah. The Shanahan is not related to the Shanahan. It's Mike Shanahan. Why? He's not related to the Shanahan. Mike Shanahan, not his father. He's going to get like hired by the Steelers accidentally because he's from the different family. One other funny thing about a signetti that I found out, I don't know if I, we talked about this on the Potter night. So Liz, my wife went to Elon in North Carolina, small, kind of liberal arts school. Kurt Signetti was the head coach of Elon for one year, 2017 to 2018, and he got them fucking ranked. They were ranked. Yeah, that's what that's. Yeah, that's so sweet. Are you really more impressive? Did you Google him? Craig, you Googled him. I Googled him. They were like 24th of the nation at the end of the season. All he does is win. It's unbelievable. It really is. There's a lot, you know, a lot of these Miami players will talk about Carson Beckett and I feel bad for it, but I just have to come back to Mendoza, DK, you mentioned it. I mean, I, I, I don't think we can even pretend like Fernando Mendoza will be the number one pick in the draft. I think he cemented it. I mean, Tom Brady was there at this game, wearing Raiders gear. It's in Miami. Like Brady. I know Brady is on the sideline just like reveling in it. And I think Mendoza locked in. And again, he has the physical traits as a player, like he has the arm strength. I Brady himself is the one who's like, you need to be able to throw a dig to the opposite hash. And I think actually it's one of those biggest strengths. I think the pocket mobility, not fast, but it can move like he is able to navigate the pocket as a passer, as a runner. Like he has all the things you want. As Craig said, the size. And I think the biggest question was, I mean, personalities the wrong way to put it, but like he's a goober. You know, he's like, I don't think Craig put it eager beaver. It's funny, but I think that this game, I think cement, I mean, the ultimate one was your friend Jackson, DK texted to someone tweeted that way. I have to pull it up. The best description of Fernando Mendoza obviously. One posted that Fernando Mendoza looks like he makes his animal crackers fight each other before he eats them. So vivid imagery there. I saw another one that said, surely temples do not stand a chance around Fernando Mendoza. Yeah. It's so, it's so good. You see, Rick Williams was talking on Dan Lebertard's show about being at the Heisman ceremony. Yes. And they asked you guys are about not it. You saw, oh no, I didn't go give it to him. I missed this. I really am said not to blow up a spot and then immediately blew up a spot. He was like, talk to the high. And apparently he did all this research and he researched all the Heisman winners so they could talk to them like he knew all their backgrounds and everything. And like treating it like a 23 year old on LinkedIn, like researching for a networking event. And apparently he was talking to Tim Tebow and he said, so he says, I'm going to have to like get in a girl soon and like, do you have any advice to Tim Tebow? And I'm like, this guy's fucking locked in. Wow. Wow. This guy's locked in. He's going to be at the facility. That's like what you asked your older daughter before you start high school. He's going to have to get into girls soon. You're going to get into girls soon. And he's like, give it advice. Also the fact that Tim Tebow, you're going to be in Las Vegas. So I have a lot of advice. Oh, yeah, get go to the suburbs. Stay away from the strip. I, but I do think that the reason it does a will be number one is, I mean, one dude, this is like manifest destiny. Like he was born in Boston. He's lived him out from the stadium, but he born from Boston. He's a Patriots fan. He grew up rooting for Tom Brady and pay. I always talk about like Caleb wanted it rooted for Aaron Rogers. Daniel Jones wanted to be Eli Manning. Daniel Jones went to Duke because Eli's coach was at Duke. Like he wanted, Mendoza wanted to be Brady. He's the first guy that's going to be an NFL quarterback to prove idolizing him. He's the same height. He's more kind of the same way. And I think that the all the leadership stuff, but I think that what Brady is going to be obsessed with this kid for other than saying, let's fucking go when he won the title is, Mendoza got the shit kicked out of him in this game. Like he got the targeting that wasn't called. Like he was bleeding from his sleeve, spitting up blood, basically, on a towel with the camera's catch up, but he was bleeding from his lip. Oh, you can see it on camera. Yeah, he was, he was spitting it. The first thing Siknet he said after the game was that we could not protect Fernando Mendoza. My Ami's defensive line was so good. We'll talk about. We'll talk about. It was all over on me. The half time interview with Siknet he was basically him just bitching about the late call and lowly. It's on on Mendoza for like a solid minute. He was like, who can't be having that? They keep hitting him right after the like after he hands the ball off. I've been yelling at the refs. They was like his half get thousands half times. The most honest half time answer ever was the first time anyone's actually just answered the questions just 30 seconds. These fuckers keep hitting my quarterback. Siknet he had the most honest half time conversation of all time. Like he actually answered the questions. It was unbelievably just like look, you know, the referees I'm all for letting him play, but at some point you got to draw a line. And then he just was like as for the game, you know, they had we had a couple of crosses that hit over double month. That was great. Gotta get back to that. And then Holly Rose like, thanks for answering. Thank you. Thank you. It was the most genuine. She was like, thank you. Thank you. It's Sean. Couldn't believe he answered the question. But the, but yeah, I know I, he kept saying that he kept talking about how they couldn't block for him. And that, I mean, my defense line was so good. But then those who was just so beat up during this game that I think, frankly, the fact that the Indiana players are saying that they think he, he, and then those of plays better when it gets hit like the Iowa game, Ohio State. There's this game like getting hit locks him in. That's kind of like the next level that like, frankly, you go all the way through the wormhole of everything you need to quarterback. So Tom Brady wants to hear and see. And so I think that like the fourth and five play, Simon does get the crap kicked out of him to win the game. I think that is the last level of championship. I think that those are absolutely going to be the double and big. I do feel like he has both a high floor and a high ceiling as a prospect. Like I do kind of think he could probably come in and be like a solid pocket passer. Big tough. You're Matt Ryan, your Cork Cousins type. But then, you know, the ceiling is the roof potentially for a guy like him outside of the lack of kind of mobility. Although he's more mobile than guys like Matt Ryan. I was going to say physically how different is he than Joe Burrow? I don't joke. Burrow is pretty athletic. He can run around. But it's not that different, right? In terms of his ability to kind of scoot around. Yeah. I think they're probably in the same tier. Burrow might feel a little bit more like. Burrow's a little more straight line of speed and stuff like that. It's funny to say that. Actually, DK never thought about it. But it's funny that Burrow probably did a more mobility in college and we forget because he tours ACL like that rookie year. So. And he doesn't run around nearly as much anymore. I mean, he can extend, but he was better at it. I was just thinking, Hi, Fitz, when you're talking about how he's such a funny sort of contradiction because he is so tough and physical and like he doesn't get going until he gets hit in the face kind of deal. But he's also, but he's also, yeah, such a dork. That was by the way, that was not real. That was fake. I wanted it to be. Yeah, it might as well be real. He does make his animal crackers fight though that you can't just prove that. But I was thinking this during the game is in and it's so funny because there was one in particular play where I think it was late in the game when he hit Becker on the back shoulder and that kept like drive going. And that was like three minutes left or something like that. And he just looks over at him and gives him a thumbs up. I saw that. I think that was that play. I can't remember exactly. But he was like, good job. And I love the genuine. He Ted Blassod me. He won me over. You know bad. They wanted to make fun of this guy like all season and then all off season. And like the comfortable playoff like he's, you know what? I love this guy. He's kind of got ice in his veins. There was another play too where he, he shouldn't have thrown this pass and it got broken. I was basically a pass out into it was like a little stop route. And the Miami D.V. jumped it and almost picked it off. And it was potentially a disastrous throw and it zoomed in on his face after it to throw. And he was just like that. He just kind of like shook his head like that was dumb. He's just like, what's nice about him is like you at least know that if it doesn't work out in the NFL, it's not going to be for lack of effort or preparation. Right. He's going to give it everything and he's going to prepare and he'll be the first guy and last guy out like you know that he will have that mentality. Which is totally and it's going to be a weird draft because there's basically no competition for him at the quarterback position to be the top overall pick. So I don't know if that will, if that will actually increase his status in our mind or actually make him a bit of somebody who's overlooked and just under discussed because he'll just be the locked in number one overall pick. And the same way that we're going to travel Lawrence went and it's like people just like didn't talk about him because he was the number one over. That's a good question. Colson's offensive lineman, the hoggies. We're going to freaking talk about this guy. I think that like let's freaking go. But there's going to be no comparison. There's going to be no should it be him or Dante Moore. Let's compare his traits to the other top three quarterback's traits. It's not going to be the Caleb year where you had Jaden and Drake May and Pennix and all these guys. So it will be an interesting offseason in that respect. It will. We'll just have to get by like I'm still wanting to accept my I tried to pay with him on LinkedIn and accept that. So like, you tried to link with that. He isn't updated by the way. I wonder if he's, you know, been doing that. Sure example. Yeah, he's not really looking for a job at this point. Idol money lies in your current account picking crumbs out of its belly button wondering, should I eat them? But when you start investing with Monzo, your money's always busy. It turns on regular investments. Invests your spare change and tops up your stocks and shares, I say. It even helps you make sense. I'm just going to return. Monzo, the bank that gets your money moving. You could get back less than you invest. Monzo current account required UK residents 18 plus decenties apply. Okay. Should we get into some coach news? Yes. A lot has happened since we've last spoke. I guess we should probably start with the bills fired Sean McDermott there had coach after nine seasons. The, did you guys read the? I did. The, the good by letter that the Buffalo ownership wrote Sean McDermott. There was like five spelling errors, including them saying that he did an admiral job like the rank ad. Like, not admirable. Not admirable job. Not admirable. That's something like admiral job. Yeah, it's like that. Almost like that was like, voice to text or something. Right. They didn't bother checking it. This, this doesn't bowed well for the organization that that was what happened after he got fired. I mean, there are entire HR departments whose entire job is to check these things before they go out like crisis. He didn't admiral job is up there. Oh, yeah. Sean McDermott. I saw a stat here from Ben Suleck, our former colleague who's now ESPN with this blew my mind about Sean McDermott and the bills. So this is per ESPN research. Only four teams in the Super Bowl era have won a playoff game in six consecutive seasons. Only four teams have done that. The four teams are the Cowboys in the 90s who won three Super Bowls over that stretch. The Patriots in the 2010s who won three Super Bowls over that stretch. The Chiefs in the, in 2018 to 2024 who won three Super Bowls over that stretch and the Buffalo Bills who did not make a single Super Bowl. Ouch. The poor Bills. God. I feel like it's a, like, that's a Rorschach test because you hear that and you're either like, that's why McDermott had to go or you're like, that's why McDermott had to stay. Yeah. Nine seasons is a while, but Hyphids, what is your reaction to this? Do you think this is the right move? I'm surprised that so they're, they're keeping the GM. Brandon Bean is staying and he's actually in charge of promoting. No, he got promoted. Right. And he's now in charge of bringing in the next coach. I would like to hear the argument for why the coach should be fired, but the GM should be promoted. I, I don't think it necessarily has to be Brandon Bean. It's little finger stuff. Well, Brandon Bean came in after McDermott was already there. No, like three weeks. They were hired together. But, but my point is that Brandon Bean was not a part of the hiring process for McDermott. And so I got, but I will strongly push back on that because I think that what happened is it's like what the dolphins hire the Packers GM, the Packers assistant GM. And they go 10 days and they're like, well, hire the Packers defensive coordinator as her coach. They both came from Carolina if memory serves. And so they were a package deal, I think. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not supporting. I'm not saying I support this because you could argue to the biggest problem with the bills over the last however many seasons has been personnel, particularly offensively, which is a Brandon Bean issue and not a Sean McDermott issue. So, hi, what is your reaction to this? I want the bills to win a Super Bowl. I mean, I don't think that's a hot take. I feel like if there's a player that isn't on your team that you most want to win a Super Bowl, everyone's like, I wish Josh Allen would want to Super Bowl. I want the bills to win a Super Bowl. My reaction is I hope that this works and I hope they know what they're doing because I think this is like a careful what you wish for situation. Like the good examples like John Foxx, you know, took the Broncos with Pete Manning to Super Bowl and then they the next year, the really close game, they should have won the division around they lost and then fired John Foxx. And the answer was, hey, we don't care you made a Super last year like, Peyton Manning can do this and like anyone can do this and they brought in Gary Kubiak and guess what, they won a Super Bowl. And maybe it'll be like that and they bring in a new coach and maybe they hire Brian Dable, whatever they do and that someone else takes this and they and they get into the promised lead. I hope that happens. I'm rooting for it. The flip side is I just don't want to forget what Sean McDermott did for the bills. I don't know if some people might be too young. We're listening to some people might have forgotten, which is the point. The bills literally before Sean McDermott was hired had the longest playoff drought in all of the American major sports like football, basketball, baseball hockey. Nobody had missed the playoffs in more seasons than a row than the bills. 18 seasons. And then Sean McDermott shows up and they make the playoffs in eight of nine years, including before they drafted Josh Allen, Josh Allen was not even on the team and they made the playoffs and broke that drought. And then as Craig said, like they won the division title five years in a row and then this year they lost to the Patriots and their easy schedule and Mike Raeble. So the phrase from this press, the presser that I thought I liked was that they said Sean McDermott helped change the mindset of this organization. That is true. Like the bills were fucking losers and they were like the Cleveland Browns basically. They were one notch above the Browns. They were a laughing stock. I mean, the quarterbacks that were there. I mean, the bills weren't afterthought. Tyra Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick, they had JP Lossman. They had Trent Edwards, EJ Manual. I remember they they was the first quarterback taking the draft. Yeah. It was like 15th overall EJ Manual Kyle Orton was on the go. Careful, careful, make a funny EJ Manual. He was on television this morning. It's been like you Craig, his mic also didn't work for like a stretch of the show. So is that right? Yeah. All right. I'll take that back then because that's that's extremely relatable. But yeah, man, do you think John Harbaugh now is looking at the news and thinking man? Maybe I should have waited a week. Damn it. Yeah. He'll never he'll never admit that to anyone. But it's the fanski taking the Falcons out. They all have to be this is a remarkable time for head coach vacancies and for Lamar and Jackson and Josh Allen. The last two MVPs are available to coach. Yeah. It's literally like it's coach this coach Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and the goals go when it's super bowl this year. Like what what an amazing thing. The third option is be the fourth Pittsburgh Steelers head coach since Richard Dixon was president and there was a mood landing. Like is also like what I know that situation is incredible, but what a legendary job to be the Steelers coach. And then what's the fourth best option is the Raiders and coach Fernando Mendoza and then Tom Brady's the owner. I know the Brady thing maybe wasn't his appealing last year, but now that there's a quarterback they're going to take Mendoza and you get to be the coach and Tom Brady is going to basically mentor Fernando Mendoza. Those are the you know, you can be the brown set coach, but it is pretty crazy that those are the four openings on the table on January 20th. Cardinals. Oh yeah, that's sick. Don't forget about the Cardinals love that. They're available. Yeah, I sense that you forgot. Yeah, I think it probably you have to start with. I think it's it's bills are the top option than the Ravens. I would probably put the Raiders three with Mendoza and then it's probably Steelers and then bottoming out Browns and Cardinals. Do you think of the Giants locked down Harboff to their four day negotiation or whatever? We're I don't know. We didn't really talk about that. There was so for people that were watching from far basically there was an announcement that the Giants and hired Harboff and high fits celebrated. We did a whole show about it. Everyone did. The Twitter put out a wicking emoji. They came out the next day that he hadn't actually been signed and he was basically holding the Giants feet to the fire and doing a power move or whatever. What do you call it? Like he went for the top and basically got approval from the owner that he reports to the owner, not to Joe Shane, which is a great great job by him. He absolutely should have done that. Which is now Joe Shane is like assisted general manager assisted to the general manager. I think Joe Shane, I think contractually they put it down that Joe Shane's due office is just a chair in the corner. High fits his tweet now, cut chair pictures. Well, he is. That's what it is. Joe, why is he there? Fire him. Somebody got to do the scouting shit. Harboff is not going to do that. He's this happened to Patriots where Elliott Wolf was like the GM in New England and Mike Freiburg, run him in and Elliott Wolf was still there, but he's not the GM. And he's just like an awkward. He's a scout. He's a big deal. Joe Shane is a vestigial organ. He's the giant's appendix. It is just not worth cutting it. They're going to ask kids who they want to draft. That's what he said. Kids actually had a great take. I just, Joe Shane seems like a nice guy vestigial organ and it's just like, why don't you just cut your appendix out? Well, it's kind of a lot of work to do the surgery. So unless he gets an infection, like we're not going to cut him out. That's really what I asked. Yeah, this was kind of, I think I said this. I don't understand why teams will fire a head coach and not their GM at the same time, especially if both are sort of not really. I mean, I guess you could say that Shane is pick some good players certainly, but this is why it makes it so awkward is when you keep a GM, then the whole new coach coming in situation is weird. Then you got to make sure they get along. Yeah. You see eye to eye on personnel moves. There's just so many things that you have to be in alignment about. And this is a big risk that they're not going to be. Maybe this is the situation where they get through this draft and then they fire. Joe, yeah, or next year. Once Harboss there, it's there. My cynical thing, same thing with the bills situation. Again, Justin came from Buffalo says Brandon being the GM, they're getting promoted. My cynical view is, or maybe just Occam's razor, when a owner fires the coach, the GM can search for new coach. When the owner fires a GM, you have to look for a new GM. And it's just you have to hire a consulting. And now you either have to find some football friend who you trust like a Matt Ryan, like Arthur Blank is owns the Falcons in his 80s. Now I need Matt Ryan to help me. Or you have to hire a consulting firm who's like, you know, it's a consulting firm. They don't actually, you know, so that's why you have these guys. Now it's like Tom Brady with the Raiders. One of the things Mark Davis is like, good, now Brady can do this. He owns part of the team. He's going to want to do this. I don't know what I'm talking about. Football anymore. Brady can do this and like, you're seeing that all over. Drake, but with the dolphins, it's like when you hire the GM, the GM is, it's not just a GM. The owner has to have a football concigliery that they trust. And you fire the consigliery. You're like, fuck, who do I hire as my new concigliery? So the Giants won. It's weird because like, obviously, that's what Harbo's role is. I don't know why they didn't just do what the Jags did when they hired Liam Cohen. They just throw Trent Balky overboard and like, whatever. I mean, you keep the draft prep. You want to keep the draft. I'm saying you want to keep the draft. He did an ad-mural job. And then we chucked him overboard. It's true. But John Balky didn't. But John Harbo, I think, did the right move, which is also the other thing I don't know what ended up happening. But there's a lot of ownership friends and family in the organization and in the scouting department. I mean, it's Chris Merrow, who owns the team and is kind of running the team because John Merrow has cancer and is not too great. And Chris Merrow is running the team, his brother. Chris Merrow is like a senior personnel guy. So imagine being in the room and like, one of the people with a take on a player you don't like, is the fucking owner of the team. And you're like, this is going to be honest. It's functional. This is terrible. Like, if the owner, like, let's say Chris Merrow, who can't, is running the team, did a good job bringing Harbo. If let's say he's the reason they drafted Jalen Hayet. And now you want to cut Jalen Hayet. This is my sympathy for Joe Shane is why is Jalen Hayet on the team. I'm like, well, maybe fucking Chris Merrow loved Joe Hayet. I Jalen Hayet, I don't know. Maybe the assistant director of personnel, Tim O'Donnell, who is mother also owns the team. The giants, like, he, like, there's little, like, John and Chris Merrow's nephew is also like in the personnel department. They can't put these guys in freaking marketing or something. Why are they running the team? Well, they're also doing that. And that's when saying is like, put them in charge of ticket sales or something. What a logo refresh. Yeah. Maybe. Well, that's kind of, so I think that also was part of it is that, like, I think John Harbo probably wanted control of certain personnel. I was like, basically saying, I want to be able to fire people who are related to you and I want that in writing. And I, and this is not known, but my high suspicion is that Harbo wanted in writing that, like, if you're going to give me the keys to the castle here, like, and they, what are the giants going to do back out after everyone patted them on the building? That would look nice. The optics would be horrific, yeah. No. They would run to the buffalo and the giants would be fucked. And so, I think that's best for everyone. I think it was Lord of the Rings, Gandalf walks in. Craig, remember the Lord of the Rings, the two buildings and he just, like, does the little staff with the king and just purges them of evil. And so all the family members in all these places. And I think Joe Shane, maybe Warren tungsten a little neat. I don't think he's that bad, but he shouldn't be fucking. Joe Shane should have been John Harbo's boss. Peter Schringer was talking about who he thinks is most likely to get hired or top candidates for Buffalo. And he mentioned a couple people. The current coordinator, Joe Brady, he mentioned Brian Debal, who Josh Allen is very fond of and they're very close with. And also Davis Webb, the former backup quarterback in the NFL, who is currently the past game coordinator for the Broncos. And apparently he is best friends with Josh Allen. And I mean, he played football. He's only 30 years old. He turns 30. He turns 31 in two days. Oh my God. And Davis Webb is thirsty for a coaching job. Davis Webb once had coaching job. I think he's a thirsty man. Yeah, but but Shreger was pointing out that it actually, Josh Allen and Davis Webb might be two good of friends to actually bring him in. I mean, they're the same age and they're best friends. You probably can't do that. Yeah, that's interesting. I think Brian Debal would probably make sense as the bills coach. I think he certainly does offensive coordinator candidate out there as table. And I think the bills should not, should look at him. But I don't know. Who the bills bring in is so interesting. Greg Rosenfeld made this point on Twitter. I believe he said that he doesn't think the the McDermott firing happens without the blessing or input of Josh Allen. Would you agree with that? You like behind the scenes. They're probably not firing Josh Allen's guy. So that's kind of a layer to this whole thing. I don't know if I necessarily agree with Greg. Greg's really smart. It was more stuff than I do. But I did just knowing the nature of the bills ownership. Just kind of fills. Yeah. I don't know. Who's the best candidate available? We should I mean, we can go through these other hiring. So the Falcons hired Kevin Stafansky as their new head coach coming from Cleveland. Right. Two time coach of the year seven. Two time coach of the year with Cleveland Browns made the playoffs with some of the worst quarterbacks you've ever seen in your life. DK. Yeah. Does this hire inspire confidence to you? Is this a middle of the road decision? Where does it get? I think it's like a B plus. I think it's good. I think it'll give them stability. He's obviously a good coach. I mean, the two time coach of the year on the Browns to me is like all you need to say really. And that's fine. It's hard to assign blame with how the Browns have gone the last few years because of all the moving parts with the Dishon Watson thing with the Schitter Sanders thing and like the apparent disagreement between ownership and coaching staff and all that stuff. So to me, it's hard to assign blame for their failures when you've got the front office working at least not in uniformity or whatever with the coaching staff. So I still think he's probably a really good coach and you know, the fact it gives the Falcons some stability. I don't know if it's like a home run higher necessarily, but I think I think you should feel good if you're Atlanta. I think grading on a curve. It's an A because the Falcons are not the Baltimore Ravens or the Buffalo Bills. And if the Ravens hired Kevin's to fancy, they'd be like, be minus. But you're the Falcons and they have just defense against the head coach, which I think works part. I mean, Kirk cousins was the score data in Minnesota for a while. And sorry, so fancy was Kirk cousins, coordinator, Minnesota. So I think the Falcons keep Kirk cousins who obviously ended on a winning streak that the Falcons ended up tying for the division lead even though they were eliminated on December 2nd or whatever. So they have Bill Callahan as the offensive line coach. He's one of the better offensive line coach in the NFL and they kept Jeff Olbrecht, the defense, a coordinator. And I mean, the Falcons were dead last in Sacks over a six year period. And last year the Falcons were actually quietly second in the entire league in Sacks, which is ironic because the trade up to get the pass rusher James Pierce that led the team in Sacks is what got everyone fired because they gave it the first run pick. But I think this is I think the Falcons who have not had a winning record in like eight years. I think the Falcons should be the favorite to win the division. I think this is really funny because it's just indicative of the whole coaching carousel, the whole cycle. It's just funny how it's just it's the it's the old Brian Regan joke with if you needed logs. It's like all these coaches are just switching teams. I saw our buddy Charles McDonald tweet this he used the picture of fired with Stefansky like from when he got fired by the Browns is like his celebratory like we got it. It's just like a giant fired on it. It's just like so funny that these guys are switching teams. So I mean, I think it is a good hiring. It's like kickers. Yeah. So you think decay that what you're talking about is the point for this coaching cycle because I think people are probably wondering so why are 10 coaches being fired? Why are there 10 openings? A third of the league has total of the show putting when all we could talk about anything this was there on good candidates. And I think it's related to what I've been saying for like a couple months on the show of we're in between eras in the NFL and the Patrick Wohom's Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow level of dominance is like kind of not ending but like subsiding. But then this new era is starting of like you know we have Caleb Williamson, Ben Johnson and the Bears and Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars are in that division. You know what I mean? Like we're seeing the Broncos and Bonaix, Vrable with Drake Bay and the Patriots. We're seeing all these like new blood teams. And I think a lot of owners are fucking pissed that they didn't move a year earlier. I think that the Falcons are like man like we like some teams either waited a year too long. Like everyone's mad they weren't in last year's cycle. Like the Falcons had Raheem Morris. They were a year too early on that. Like you know what I mean? Other teams had like the Giants fired Brian Dable. I'm like oh it's all timing. It's about timing. Like relationships. Like how do you like do you are you lucky enough to be bad when there's a great quarterback in the top five? Like a lot of it just comes down to that and same with the coaching. Because this year you know last year was a lot of coordinators getting promoted to head coaches right then Johnson, Liam Cohen stuff like that. This year it's a lot of head coaches just taking other head coaching. Yeah. John Harbock head coach to head coach Kevin Stephanski. Robert Salah the Titans hired Robert Salah who was a defensive coordinator for one year or four of the Niners after previously being the head coach of the Jets for quite a while. This feels like Salah going to Tennessee feels like a real adult in the building higher. I want somebody who we trust who can handle things who we know is like liked across the league who players like who players will play hard for. It felt like the Callahan era struggled with that in terms of just like gaining respect in the locker room and Salah is kind of the opposite of that of a guy who can immediately step in the room and inspire people. Yeah. I agree with that. I think it's the Callahan era was marked by a couple of pretty high profile flubs in the media in terms of some of the things he said it made you feel like he didn't understand the rules of the game or how to run a team kind of deal. I think Salah is he just has more cache as a coach. He's done it. He's been a head coach before. It's hard to judge. Same deal with the Stephanski thing. It's hard to judge what Salah did at the Jets because they're just such a disaster. But he's been a very highly respected coach. He's the kind of coach that is going to get the players playing really hard. I think and that's like a big thing too for them. So I don't know. I'm kind of Luke Worm on this this higher. I know Hi Fits really like Salah. I don't really know if it inspires confidence for me. I have made the joke. He just has too many kids to be a head coach. I'm only partly kidding on that. He's seven children. How do you do that and have and be a head coach and an NFL? That's why you're qualifying. You make seven kids. You can do anyone's like, how do you have time? I guess obviously he just goes to work as I'm in hard as someone else is raising them kids. But yeah, I don't know. It's just it is it's a hard situation to have seven kids and have a job that requires 80 hours of work week. I think he's I think they can figure that out. I think they can get some child care. I'm only I'm only partly serious on that. I love Salah. I think Salah got shafted with the jets and I will go down believing that he was a way better coach than people remember. I still can't believe I mean, he was fired as a defensive at coach. The offense was outsourced Aaron Rogers as a decision ownership made and then Salah the defensive head coach is defense give up two touchdowns and the less three games that they fired him. And I've always Salah goes he is the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. The nineers defense this year was like a polliterated by the substation and like it was supposed to be like, Hey, it's going to be a bunch of young guys around Nick Bosen Fred Warner and the Nick Bosen Fred Warner immediately get hurt. So you're down to defensive player of the year, the best lineback in the NFL. You're down you're starting three linebackers. You're down three or top four defensive ends. Everyone left is freaking 24 younger except for a couple older guys and like that they're competitive. They almost got the one seed in the NFC entering week 18. So I everywhere he's been. I think I've been impressed. He's a players coach like coach players love him. I think he gets guys to buy in and play really hard. And I think the Titans it's really easy. It's their opening stadium in 2027 and they suck and they need to be competitive this season because they need to sell tickets for 2027. And I think the Titans owner Amy Adam strunk sees an issue of what if we have a top three top four pick three years in a row and then we have to sell season tickets that isn't good. And they want I think solid. I think they were going to give this job to Matt and Aggie for Kim Ward and then I think Robert Salah blew them away about the competitiveness. So I think that's a good job. I know maybe he will be a good head coach again, but that would have been the most underwhelming hire. I can imagine. Yes. It would have. It would have. But I don't I think the Titans are kind of chasing the ghosts of their former coaches like they fired right. It's right. Matt LaFlaur went to the Packers and I do believe that the Titans were so mad that Matt LaFlaur was succeeding in Green Bay. They were like, wait, we need someone to help a quarterbacks with the fire of Ravel. And now they have Brian Callahan to do a Matt LaFlaur impression and he sucked. Now guess what? Mike Vrable as a defensive coach in a CEO role is not going plays is like doing an unbelievable job with the vibes and patriots and now they're like, you know what? If only we had a defensive coach who could be, you know, overseas stuff like a Mike Vrable. They could have had Mike Vrable and kept them, but instead now they need a Robert Salah. So they're kind of the tails wagging the dog, but I do like the Salah. Well, in the Patriots, fortunately, we have somebody like Josh McDaniel who now the Titans need to bring him the right to see. And maybe they regret letting Vrable go. Maybe they regretted letting Arthur Smith go and maybe Arthur Smith is going to go back and call plays of the Titans. He interviewed with them as did Brian Debal, Mike McDaniel. It does feel like for Kim Ward, you have to make sure you get the right guy to come in here because you only have a couple of years before you kind of know if it's if you have it or not. Did you guys ever see this is a terrible reference? But did you ever see the movie Good Luck Chuck with Dane Cook? Oh God. This every, the storyline was every woman who slept with him would get married to the next guy they dated. Or whatever. So he like started getting all these girls that wanted to sleep with him because they wanted to get married to the next guy. Sure. So not a great movie. Just Galma. But and now Brian Debal is going to go to the Titans be the coordinator and then he'll be. Right. So the Titans are good luck Chuck. Everybody finds their forever coach after they coach with the Titans. What are the jets then? Bad luck Chuck. The jets are just like a one night stand that didn't that was shameful and regretful. What is it? The walk a shame in the morning. You're just always on the walk a shame. The last hire here, the only coordinator to get promoted to head coach, if I'm not mistaken, the dolphins hired Jeff Halfley, who was the defensive coordinator of the Packers for two seasons. He was the head coach of Boston College before that. Carlos Texas has Carlos long time dolphins fan text. And I feel nothing when they hired Jeff Halfley. That's how I feel too. Well, it's funny. Hi. What do we know about? I mean, the Packers defense did a good job. That's kind of it. He has a tight fade. He's been a coach of the NFL for two years. It's kind of a laptop. Yeah. He was like a defensive backs coach before Boston College in the NFL. So he has been around. But yeah, we don't know a lot about him. No, it's always funny when we have to like pretend like we know how so coordinator will do as a coach. It's like sometimes you have a beat on a guy. Jeff Halfley, the nerds love him. The nerds love like I think scheme. I think what he did with the Packers is impressive on the defense the last couple seasons. And so it's just like, you know, it may be not. You always talk about Pete Carroll and Mike Tomlin have kind of failed the test of can you stop modern offenses and like what work 10 years ago doesn't I think Jeff Halfley is just has a modern approach to defense and in terms of changing coverages not making quarterbacks confused when they look like what you see pre snaps, not post snap, what you see one second in doesn't look like three seconds in. And that's what Mike McDonald's going to get the CX to the Super Bowl. Maybe that way. And so that's kind of what he's doing. And then I think it's just combined with he was the head coach of Boston College for a few years randomly. And I think it's the idea that not that Boston College is the Miami Dolphins, but the idea that the mix of scheme stuff with you actually do you have had experience running a program being the guy like maybe you're not a Josh Mandano's fucking tyrant the moment you step out or map it. Trisha, when you're just a tyrant, the moment you're in charge and like Boston College did all right. I think that's the idea. And I do think this is a package deal. They can never say that because of you know, they have to comply with the really rule in certain things, but they hired the GM or the sorry, the VP player, personal, John Eric Sullivan from the Packers. He was in the Packers for like 20 years. Yes. And so then he came over with Miami Jeff Halfley wasn't with the Packers for as long, but generally speaking when a GM's hired and then they're like, we are going to conduct a full search. Sure. And then 10 days later, they're like, I have an idea. The guy I was already working with 10 days ago, I like him. They're like, all right. So that was kind of the handshake deal a while ago and everything else is kind of checking boxes for public appearances. So but that's how it is now. That's just kind of how it goes. So, um, the, we'll see. I mean, good luck. Like you're going to have whatever the bills do with Josh Allen. You're going to have the Patriots and Mike Vrable, the Jets suck, but like good luck competing with them. I don't know. There's a lot of people connecting the dots with Malik Willis now to Malik Willis is a free agent. Uh, the two era almost certainly over at this point. Um, so that's going to be really interesting to see if that ends up handing out where they bring in another great big guy. Um, I, this is one of those things. I was just looking at, hopefully, his resume. I don't know if this matters or makes any difference, but I thought it was fascinating that he just left being a head coach to go back to the NFL to be a coordinator. He left, he left with boss, boss, boss, he's like, I'm just like N.I.L. That's like, I know, but it was just kind of funny that he was the head coach of TV. He's like, I'm going to go be a coordinator again. Uh, can I, I mean, on that note, I, yeah, I forgot the other day, David Shaw, who was the succeeded Jim Harbos, the coach at Stanford and I was like, consider it a candidate for River. David Shaw is just like on the Lions coaching staff as an assistant. Like he's like the passing game court. Yeah. He's not even the, like David Shaw left the head coach job at Stanford to just be an assistant on the lion's staff. Being a head coach in, in college, I think is really difficult right now. Well, now that's the thing is like, David Shaw was like Stanford. He's like, we have great student athletes who want to get a great education and actually take classes and take the hard road. And now it's just like, I think now you're just like kids are coming to you on one year deals. It's like there's a flight. Chip Kelly just like left the head coach. Kelly did the same thing. Yeah. Be the coordinator. I was saying, and he was like, as long as it was like, fuck the kids. I don't want to talk to anyone. I'll just sit in my little booth and draw a place. I kind of, I respect that actually. Carson Beck said he hasn't been just, he hasn't had a class in two years. Oh, dude, he, he, he really like supposed to say that out loud. Well, no, he was like the class. He's like, why graduate two years ago? He's like, obviously getting your match. He basically was like, so I'm going to six year program. He's like, I mean, I'm not going to like finish it. My God. So I graduated two years ago. A lot of people go to college for six years. Yeah, well, there you go. Well, you used to be doctors. Yeah, sure. That's a good point. The only other piece of news here, coordinator news, the Alliance hired Drew Petsing. This is a bizarre, who has been the office of coordinator for the Cardinals since 2023. Not an inspiring time for Arizona, I would say. Hi, Vittor, you surprised by this? Yeah, I was, I mean, I guess you have to, I trust Dan Campbell. I trust Dan Campbell. I think I don't know what exactly the logic was. It's funny. I think coordinator jobs are so hard to, they're opaque. I still think the best coordinators out there, if they don't get a head coaching job, would be Brian Dable, who I think, you know, if you wanted to develop a quarterback, Brian Dable with Jalen Hertz and two at Alabama. And then like, what do you give the Josh Allen and then Daniel Jones best years of the, till this year, where with him and Jackson Darts, I do think Dable should be a coordinator. And I think Mike McDaniel will be an amazing coordinator. But I drew Petsing, frankly, I'd be lying if I was like, I just kind of trust Dan Campbell to make the decision and like, you know, I didn't know who Ben Johnson was before they hired Ben Johnson. So like, kind of just hope it works, but it would be disappointing if it failed. It's funny. I was thinking about this the other day. I feel like we care about coordinators so much more now than we ever used to. And we even know the names of coordinators more now than we ever used to. I was talking to Chris Ryan about this. I was like, you know, in like the 90s and early 2000s and before that, like, did anyone know the names of coordinators? And he was like, no, they are more. He's all head coach. Like, yeah, mythology. Yeah. Coordinators are more famous now more than ever. People are paying. Oh, like the Eagles offensive coordinator is a huge talking point. It's like the most important, the Eagles decision of the off season is who's going to be calling plays. And it's funny that that never used to be a narrative. And I don't know if it's more now because like scheme is more valued than personnel, where it used to be like, if you get the quarterback, it's kind of just up to them. And now it's like, actually, if you have the correct scheme, the shana hand style, I can make the Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo that that has made the play calling and the offensive coordinator become so much more prominent. But it does feel like every, I mean, most people can probably name the offensive coordinator on most NFL teams, which I think is kind of crazy. Yeah. But I mean, Seth Myers went on Bill's show, talking about your Steelers and he had the great rule that if other fans know the name of your coordinators, that's a bad sign. Matt Canada. Yeah. Matt Canada. But it's true. It's like Kevin Pettulo is like people who don't root for the Eagles know who Kevin Pettulo is, which is why he got fired. Like his name was said more than Cereonis probably this year, Kevin Pettulo. I just think it's fascinating that the coordinator position matters more than it ever has it feels like. Also, along those lines, there's an insane amount of turnover at that position at that, you know, offensive coordinator in particular, it's like half the league. Yeah. I was talking to everybody, Eastern Freeze, and he made a list of it's like. In addition to all the new coaching staffs, like head coach changes, there's the Lions, Bucks, Commander, Chargers, Chiefs, Eagles, maybe the Bengals, maybe the CX, Kubiak is getting a bunch of interview requests, maybe Jags, maybe 49ers, maybe Rams, there's going to be like half the league is getting a new offensive coordinates next year, like the longest tenured, I want to say coming into last year, the longest tenured offensive coordinator was like two years or something. It was crazy how much these guys move in it is a large part due to if you're really good at offensive coordination, you're going to get head coach job almost surely. So there's a lot of turnover and movement on that front, but it is just fascinating. Coming back to what I was saying, people just shuffling chairs on the, what's the expression of shuffling the chairs on the deck of the Titanic or whatever it's like, just I don't know. Let's get this guy, maybe he'll do something different, let's get this guy, he's going to do something different. Yeah, okay, anything else on this? Can you guys want to do emails? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, this is from Sean. Sean! That's bone. So Sean, the breakfast you'll see in a second. So Sean writes, you guys were having a discussion on the podcast about gum. And one of the complaints we had about gum, at least for me, was like, what do you guys do with the gum? When you're done. And Sean writes, at some point in my 20s, I decided I would just swallow my gum. And it's been years and I'm fine. It doesn't matter. Just swallow your gum. It's got a giant gum ball in his stomach right now. I think this is crazy. He literally said, we're all riddled with microplastics. Why I don't think passing some gum is going to make a difference. Could you guys swallow gum? How can you do that? As somebody with Eosentophila, Kassoff and Jitis, I am not trying to swallow gum. I can hardly swallow regular food. I'm not swallowing gum. That's fair. I have swallowed my gum in the past. I don't like to do it. It feels very weird. But if it's like a emergency or in a meeting or something and you can't just spit it out somewhere, then yeah, I'll swallow it. I guess. I don't think it's like the old wives tale is it gets stuck in your system for 10 years or something like that, which I don't think is true. I don't know. Maybe surgeons or doctors talk to us. I've always had a lot of work to do with it. I've always had trouble. You don't have never understood this happens all the time in movies. It's like the ex-cop who's like going through something and he needs his pills to get him through the day. And he always like pours the pills into his hand and he just shoves him in his mouth and swallows like a dry. Just takes him dry. I've never understood that. Does anyone actually do that in real life? People are swallowing pills. There's a generational divide there, Craig. The boomer generation or whatever, the people a little bit older than us, they can take pills dry and they can do the whistle thing with their hands. We are fucking generations never learn that shit. I don't know anyone recipes. How do you do that? I really want to learn how to whistle like that. That's like one of the coolest moves ever. Like maybe one Advil, which is kind of sugar coated and smooth. Maybe maybe a liquid gel. Yeah. Just take it just just a little head tilt. That's all you need. Yeah. But dude, it's like the little, it's like it's always like five pills that you need to take for whatever reason. Yeah. And they just got gun him down the throat. There was an episode of McGiver. He's the one for McGiver reruns when I was a kid and there was an episode of McGiver where he like had taken some poison and take the antidote and he barely got it. It was a pill and he just took the pill and swallowed it. And I was like eight years old. I didn't even know you could do that. I thought you had to take water over that. And so now I think about this. The lead in like some badass movies like choking on a pill. Try to take it. I think about this every day because I go to take my giant vitamin C and I'm like, I wonder if I'm not bitch like McGiver. And some days I just, if there's not a water in my bedroom already, I'll just try and sometimes I end up like like the stupid orange flavor of vitamin C like an idiot. Yeah. And this is how I start my mornings. Don't understand that at all. It's a lost skill. It's a skill that's being lost to time. It should be. We don't need that. It should be. Men used to go to war and take pills dry. It's the boburn. My granddad turned 2070, fought in Vietnam. And when I turned 27, it built a birdhouse with my mom. It's just always like like we did the rewatchables on this movie to for the money, which is a ridiculous movie with Al Pacino and Matthew McConaughey about sports gambling. And the Chino is like, you know, in his 50s or something, he's a hard issue, of course. And so it's like three times throughout the movie he has like, you know, some minor cardiac arrest and he collapses to the ground and they always got to like pull out that he's got a shaky hand trying to pour the pills. So you can get his pills to calm down his heart, which of course, you know, happens instantaneously for some reason. Like the second it touches his tongue is hard stops fluttering. But yeah, it's like he's always like laying on the ground trying to swallow three dry pills. So I just don't understand. The physics just don't work. Get down. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you for listening. Thank you, John Harboff, for getting that contract signed. Then you're just not being your boss. Thank you for listening. Thank you to Cam Carlos Kai Austin. Emails at Rampant and see football gmail.com includes your breakfast in the emails. Thank you, Lord. Lauren. Thank you, Tamin Paula. Nice. Love Tamin Paula. Oh, yeah. I don't know a ton about them. I think you would like it's one guy. It's but it sounds like a band. I think he has like a backup band, but it's one guy. Forget his name. Kevin Parker. Kevin Parker. Yeah. That Tamin Paula Australian. I definitely thought they were banned and found out they're not a band on this on this show because we've done this before. Oh, I don't know. They're considered a band. If he has like his the same guys with him all the time, but I believe it is just like Kevin Parker kind of as the main artist here. You guys have Tamin Paula's the perfect example to me. If you guys have certain artists where you don't know the names of the songs, but I can see the album cover. It's like there's a room with sand filled in the corner, but I don't know what to look up. Yeah, or one look. There's the one Tamin Paul album that I really like looks like a like a neutron and like the middle of like an electromagnetic field. You know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do. Like it. Oh, yeah, I can see that now. You know what I mean? Yeah. He's great. I, I, Tamin Paula is like one of my favorite artists, especially a college and a little bit after college. He makes great music. Big fan. I think you would like it. Yeah, I have heard a couple of his songs and I was like, oh, this is good. I don't know anything about this band, but yeah. He's a kind of like imagine dragons thinks they're making Tamin Paula's music. Yeah, he's like, I don't know how to describe Tamin Paula's genre. It's like, it's like, it's rock, but there's like some psychedelic or that's what electronic elements do it. Yeah. It's good. Yeah, what's the album with that? Psychedelic music. Yeah. Solid though. How'd you think of them? Just what I said, I listened to a few songs of theirs lately and I was just like, or his lately. And I was just like, oh, this is pretty good. I heard about this band before, but I never really. Yeah, current is a very good album. You could like rip that whole thing and there's like nine great songs on. Okay. Who are the other bands that are like one guy or one person? And then like blondie isn't that just also, or no, isn't that also just one person? That's not blonde people. But you know what I mean? There are other ones where you think it's a band and it's one person. Right. It was formed by Debbie Harry and Kristine. Oh, okay. But yeah, I know what you mean where it's like you're just one person, but you don't use your name. There's a lot of I think musical acts that will float between different. They have like different bands and different projects. They get they don't want to just like do one thing. So they're yeah, kinds of different stuff. Non monogamous. Right. You know who was a band that was kind of in the Alt J or in the Tam and Paula range for me was Alt J. Do you remember them? Mm hmm. Alt J was really good when I was in like college right coming out of that. I think they do the breeze blocks. Yes. I think Alt J is. I think they're like the perfect example to me of like people who would tell me about music and it listened to it and I would pretend to get it. I think they would show me like and they're like. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's good. You know what? I don't know what the fuck they were talking. I don't know what they were doing. I feel that way about geese. Geese is now blowing up. You know that band? Yes. I don't know that band. I just found out about the last week. I don't know where they have the company. Geese. Geese. You're the geese. All the cool people. Like you saying geese. See, to me. Alt J is melodic still. Alt J. This sounds good to my ears. good to my ears. That's actually pretty good. I know it's not that bad. I was like, I'm kind of getting, I understand exactly what you're saying. Geese is like, there are certain bands that are so cool. I feel like they are actively trying to sound bad. It's like a social experiment. Yes. It's like, we are going to purposely make music that is not melodic and see if we can get people to like it. Because to me, geese, it's so alternative that I don't know. People really like geese though. Okay. Check out these two. Yeah, we'll check out geese. Even if it's a part of it. Despite what I say about being an old, funny, dirty and listening to say music is what I was younger, I really do like to find new stuff that I really like. Listen, you're good about that. Email us at Rear Fantasy Football, to email.com, what do you guys want? I want other bands that you kind of would just be like, yeah, yeah, I get it, but you don't get it. It's not just all Jay. If you had to pick, if someone that you respected their musical taste asked you, give me your favorite new band or whatever, like what's the best new thing that you're listening to? I want that. And it like, you're afraid of getting judged. Oh, no, I'm not afraid of getting judged. Silvaness, I like Silvaness. Oh, I know them, damn yeah, I like them a lot. Did you ever listen to Olivia Dean? Not yet. Here, look at the rest. I'm going to write that down right now. By the way, how is, how is transformers? I haven't watched it yet. Okay. You don't like it. I didn't realize I was supposed to watch it before the next show. I thought I had some time. Would you like to set a deadline? We probably should or else I'm never gonna watch it. I'll give you one month. Okay. Before we earn Indianapolis, you need to watch. There we go. Throw it on the plane. Although that is disrespectful to Michael Bay's spectacle. I was gonna say, you can't watch a Michael Bay movie in a plane. I watched the red on a plane. And the first scene of the revenue is like this shot of the sunlight, morning sunlight hitting the river. And I was like, man, he shot the entire movie with natural light. Two hours of natural light a day in Alaska for six months. And I'm like, I'm watching this little fucking plane. Like, heard that was not the easiest shoot. Yeah, the revenue natural light, it's, I guess it's, you know, it's like my socks being matched with the rest of my outfit. I don't really understand the importance of it a few years ago. And now I'm starting to understand it. You feel like you have a, you have a better grasp on what are you wearing right now? What's your socks situation? Well, I mean, you know, no, get the lower half. Yeah, crocs on or something right now. Like, you know, brown socks. You wearing brown socks right now at home. I am. Some people, some people like to get dressed like they're going into work. Like me, I do that. Even though I just stay at home. Are you currently dressed like you're going into work? Yeah. Do you have a T-shirt? Well, I work in sports media. I'm not fucking wearing a suit. But you say, you, you, you being like, I like to get dressed like I'm going into the office and you're just in a T-shirt to hat as opposed to just wearing, like, sweats all day. Yeah, I was going to say sweat, Craig, wear your sweatshirt. Like, what else would you be wearing? We're going to hoody. Well, I'm going to dress. I'm going into the office. We don't have to dress up to go to the office, but no. I'm just saying getting dressed in general. Is that us being older or is that like a change? I agree, but also is that just work in our 30s now? You're embracing a new, new era of your life. I think COVID worked from home. The access to like easy food delivery. There are so many more reasons for you to never leave your house. Mm-hmm. That I feel like when you go out now, looking nice feels good. You know, something's like, you put a suit on to go to a wedding. You're like, you know, it's a lot's kind of nice to wear a suit. Yeah. I think on a lesser scale going out to dinner and dressing a little bit nicer, rather than wearing like, you know, joggers in a T-shirt, I think, you just kind of feels nice. It feels like you're breaking up your day, the monotony of like wearing the same clothes all the time. Yeah, I agree with that. Lauren, 31. I don't think I, it's probably both. Maybe it's both, yeah. Or I'm like, this Ralph Lauren Polo looks nice. Wow, you look good. Would you change? I don't know. I put on real clothes. Yeah, I'm wearing jeans and a button down. It's also great, we just 31. And we're like, you know, maybe it's COVID. Maybe I just have opinions on sconces now. Back splash. Do you guys say button up or button down? For what? A button down. For sure. A button down. Maybe both. A button up shirt. Great question. I definitely say button down. Yeah, I think I said. It's like, you got to, you got to be buttoned up. It's like, oh, it's like, you know, for a social setting, but like button down is the shirt in my head. Now, I think about it. I think I say I wear a button up shirt. It's funny. I would feel more, but it's not what it's like. It's funny. You say a button down as its own singular word instead of a button down shirt. You say a button up shirt or a button down. Yeah. It's funny because you don't even need up or down. It should just be a button shirt. Yeah. That's true. That's very true. I mean, really, when you think about it, this shirt has buttons on. We don't need that. It's got it. Yeah. Yeah. What if it's a button sideways? So there you go. So we just explained for everyone. Yeah. So the shirt has buttons on it. That's why, you know, you can go up and down. Yeah, yeah. It's just for people. It's all about perspective. Yeah. Goodbye, everyone.