Inside the Minneapolis Insurgency

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The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's January 26, 2026. Lots going on in Minneapolis. That's where we are going to start this morning. I'm Andrew Colvet, executive producer of this show. Blake Neff here in studio. In sunny Phoenix, I was under the impression, I was under the impression that Minneapolis was going to be much more reserved over the weekend because of the chill. But it turns out there was no chill. That was not there was zero chill in Minneapolis. And of course we are talking about another protestant that was shot by DHS officers. Lots of details in this. We have people slowing down the footage, playing it back, looking at. Now listen, this gentleman, pretty, pretty, was armed. He was resisting arrest. I'm not here to defend all of the actions, but I will tell you this. I am sick and tired of liberal protesters acting like kamikaze agents and, you know, going right into the middle of an ICE operation, which is law enforcement, federal law enforcement and not respecting authority. This is why I think you're missing the point. If you're arguing about whether or not he was pulling for his gun, if he wasn't, you are missing the point. The point is when you get pulled over and you have a weapon in your car, what you're supposed to do, the first thing you're supposed to do, you're supposed to put your hands, turn the car off, put your hands on the dash, roll down your window. And then you say, officer, I have a weapon in the car. That's the first thing you do. It is a responsibility if you go into a crowd, if you are out in public and you are carrying a firearm to let law enforcement know the complete and utter lack of respect for law enforcement is what continually is causing these mailings to happen in the open street. There's so much to get to like so much. We could we could take this from about 18 different angles. It's important because there's a lot of reaction to this. And we said this after the first incident, but it's worth repeating because it's even more important after the second one. A few people have said, Oh, well, you actually don't have a right to bring a gun to a protest. You do have a right to bring a gun to protest in America. But let's also be clear. This was not just a march. It was not just people standing. This was people were getting in scuffles with these ice officers. They're doing this friction, this low level violence with them constantly. And that's what happened with this guy, where he's getting tackled by all these ice officers. And we don't, as you said, we don't need to get into exactly how this occurred. It seems like it was an unintended tragedy. The reason this is happening is because the strategy of the people who are opposed to ice is to maximize the friction that is going on every time ice goes anywhere. They're getting harassed by people. They're getting screamed at by people. They have to worry. Oh, is someone here about to pull a gun and shoot us because people online are openly calling to do that. It's happened in Dallas. People have opened fire on ice. People they've been rammed. They're all blowing on these whistles constantly, which is clearly not needed to actually warn anyone, which is what their claim is. It's actually just to constantly annoy and freak people out. I mean, you can watch the video. There's just these whistles going off endlessly and they're creating a situation where everyone is maximally stressed out. They're maximally concerned something could go wrong and something like this, whether it should happen or not, something like this happening is inevitable. Completely. And that's the point though. This is the point. Yeah. This is a low level insurgency. They're trying to avoid overtly kinetic engagements with these law enforcement officers, but this is organized. It's financed and they are pushing everybody to the brink on purpose. And that's the key here, guys. This is all intentional. They are pushing for casualties. They maybe don't want to be it themselves. They maybe don't want to, you know, they want to go home to their loved ones or friends or whatever. I'm not saying that, but they fully understand that when you pressure and stress law enforcement and you do it repeatedly over the course of days and now weeks, something is going to happen. And now we've had two instances in Minneapolis, first with Renee Good and now with Freddie, where two Americans are dead. And guess what? We don't blink. This is not the time to get weak in the knees and blink because that is exactly what they want. That's exactly what they want us to do. They want us to back down. And the message has to be clear. You don't throw a tantrum and get your way in America. We have laws. We have order and we will enforce them. Doesn't matter if you're financed. Doesn't matter if you have a thousand people on a signal chat and you're harassing ICE agents and looking around. You have to remember we as a conservative movement, we as Americans must build up immunities to these tactics. Why are they doing this? Because it has worked. Because Republicans buckle at the knees because they blink. We must not blink this time. There's 10 to 20 million illegals that Joe Biden led into this country. We're cleaning up their mess. Now, I'm all for the president working with Tim Walts. He just put out a true social saying that they've talked on the phone and they seem to be on the same wavelength. Good. We don't want an insurgent force in the state of Minneapolis. We do not want a radicalized population in George Floyd's zone. We want the governors to do the right things. We want the mayors to do the right things. And what is the right thing? You are part of a republic. You are one state in 50. You must obey. You must collaborate with the federal law enforcement. That's the compact. And that remains the biggest challenge of all of this because we don't want Minneapolis boiling over into some bloodbath. But you also you can't you can't just leave. You can't just say we're going to turn down the temperature by pulling ice out of Minneapolis. Because once you've done that, you've established that actually rioters and insurgents have the ability to nullify federal law with the connivance of their local and state government. You just can't allow that. What once you do that, that's not even just embarrassing for the administration. That's catastrophic for the country. That's every other country in the world can go. Wait, the United States doesn't even control its own interior. That is the empire is falling apart. Yes. I'm told I'm President Trump wants to call the Insurrection Act yesterday. I'm good with it. You have to squash this. This is a formalized organized insurgent force. Now they've got that doesn't mean that doesn't mean IEDs. No, it does mean a systematic attempt to bring the peace to prevent a systematic attempt is being launched by people who are not the government to dissolve the power of the federal government in Minneapolis. Well, you this is an insurgent force and you need counterinsurgency tactics. And I'm not saying yet. We're not saying blowing people. We want everybody safe. That's the point. You do an insurrection act because you want everybody safe. Obviously, there are extremely unsafe situations happening in the streets of Minneapolis. You got you got these protesters going to these hotels, vandalizing them, breaking it. These videos that are going around of you got a one DHS agent standing at a door armed telling everybody to get back and stay back in the middle of the freezing cold in Minneapolis. That should not be a scene that you see in the streets of America. The police in Minneapolis being told to stand down. That should be criminal. Hedge need to roll. Indictments need to come. There needs to be consequences for defying federal law enforcement. There needs to be consequences for inciting and whooping up crowds and having a bat signal out in the whole country is telling every Antifa member all over all over the country that Minneapolis is your Fallujah. That's not going to happen. That's not going to stand. And you do not get to where you want to go here. If you bend the knee, if you blink, if you give in, if you tell them that their little tantrums are going to be successful. I'm looking at you, Governor Stitt. Lindsey Graham. We're not going to put up with that. Not here in the United States of America. We have law and order. We have rules. We are going to follow them. I'm just going to play this clip, though, because I'm so offended by it. 221. This is Governor Stitt. President Trump closed the border promise to get violent criminals out of our country. And I think everybody agrees with that. But now Americans are asking themselves, what is the end game? What is the solution? What's the goal right now? Is it to deport every single non U.S. citizen? I don't think that's what Americans want. No, the goal is to deport every illegal illegal anybody who is here uninvited against our laws. Yeah, they got to go, Governor Stitt. I don't like it when Republicans, by the way, run to CNN. To go, what, what, like get re-invited to the cocktail party? Are you looking at the end of your term and you want to be an eat me last Republican? No, thank you. No, you got to hold the line here. That's the bottom line. We're holding the line. They want us to bend. 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There's information nodes and we even find out that you've got state representatives in these chats. You've got the Lieutenant Governor in this chat. We should see this up, I think, because what we are getting is a big picture. You're having an organized operation by the Democrats with their activist arm, with their state and local arms, and yes, with their national arm to abolish federal law and also kind of go back to abolishing the border because the new demand, what they're really pushing for after the shooting this past week is that they need to have a total defunding of ICE and the Border Patrol. Well, OK, if you just defund them, we don't have a border anymore. Yeah, it's just gone. It's all back to the Biden era and that's what they're demanding. So we should play this. We had play what? Well, we have clips of them demanding this. So for example, we have Adam Schiff, Democrat Senator, clip 209. If Democrats vote against this DHS funding measure, my question for you, Senator, are you prepared to vote against DHS funding? If it means partially shutting down the government again, coming on the heels of an incredibly long shutdown? Well, I'm not giving ICE or Border Patrol another dime. How about Seth, Seth Moulton? This guy's a real peach. I mean, these guys are their whole tactic is to go throw a tantrum. They want you to bend the knee. Not going to happen. We do not blink. I'll say it again and again and again. I do not respond to terroristic threats. I do not respond to petty tantrums. You should not do that either. We should not do that as a movement. 202. People are scared. People are really scared and they're scared for good reason. And I would love to be on your show telling everybody it's going to be OK. Don't worry. This terror will not be coming home to you. But I can't say that because it is the explicit intent of this administration from Trump on down to terrorize blue cities across America. So, I mean, and he just keeps going. Yeah, I mean, Tim Walls had a line. He made the comparison to Anne Frank hiding in the attic against against. It's direct incitement. It is. It is. They're really they're whipping people up. And I actually I would have personally I would avoid using the word tantrum because it's so much more sinister. This is not babies complaining to get what they want. This is a real revolutionary agenda that they want to abolish. They basically want to abolish the United States because if the United States doesn't have a border, it's not a country. Anyone can come here. It's like a free zone. And they want to achieve that. They did achieve it under Biden. It was absolutely ruinous for the country. And the mere act of trying to undo all of the damage that Biden did. They have gone into an absolutely spectacular meltdown. They're trying to destroy. They're trying to kill police. They're trying to get cities destroyed. They're willing to do basically anything. They have doctors in Florida threatening to like kill people who come in for surgery. And they're doing all of this because they want to abolish the country. This is a very revolutionary agenda. Completely agree. Here's Senator Van Hollen. Remember, he was the one sipping margaritas with Maryland dad. Two oh eight. The reality is that the real domestic terrorists, they're in the White House right now. There are people like Stephen Miller. There are people like Donald Trump. They're the ones who are terrorizing the community. These communities having nothing to do with public safety. People across the political spectrum are looking at what they're seeing on the videotape and listening to the lies coming out of the White House. And that they're agreeing with those of us who say we cannot continue to provide one dime to this lawless Trump operation. You've got liberals all over TikTok saying it's time to die for the cause. Does that sound like business as usual? They're whipping people. Does this sound like, you know, this is just run of the mill peaceful protest, good trouble. No, this is why you have armed men going into the crowds and confronting and resisting arrest when DHS tries to subdue them. I'm not saying everything was perfect in that interaction. What I'm saying is this is why you're having these interactions. This is why ICE is whipped up and scared and on guard and tense in the first place. We should play some of these videos if you have a comment Blake. Well, they're just they're constantly engineering things to make everything worse, to make things more violent. They're encouraging the DHS tactics. That's a big one where anytime ICE is trying to detain someone, try to get in the way and fight with them. That is how you get stuff like what happened on Saturday or Friday, whatever day. I mean, I literally have a clip sheet here. I have seven clips here of Libs on TikTok going. It's time to die for the cause, folks, 211. If we don't have an ICE uniform on, we're not safe. Make sure you have your affairs in order. I'm going to work on getting mine in order because rights don't exist in this country anymore for us citizens. The heck are you even talking about? All Prety had to do was say, officer, Mr. Agent, Mr. Whatever, I have I have a weapon on me. It's legal. I'm, you know, here you go. Hands up. Hands where you can see him. Yeah, I'm here to protest. I don't want deportations, but I'm armed. Just want you to know that. And then that would have deescalated the good old fashioned way. 212 got another one of 212. I think I'm willing to die for this, but we lack a clear plan beyond basically complaining in all its forms. The good people in this country aren't asking for another peaceful protest that fizzles out by Monday. We're not asking for catchy slogans or edgy t-shirts. We're asking for direction. The largest force in this country is standing by waiting for someone with a platform to say, here's how we organize. Here's how we apply pressure. Here's how we move. Deliberately, relentlessly and without illusion. Tell us where to be, what to do and what to bring. Go to 214. We could play these all day. 214. Hey, so they're going to kill us anyway. So I think maybe we should just mob mob them. I mean, I don't we have to do something like we have to as bystanders. Mob them like that. Like full American revolution, like hiding in trees. That user name on that account is Jen existential crisis, which it could just be a joke, but I think it gets at something. It's for a lot of these people, she seems mentally unwell. She's whipping herself up to cry while making a video for the camera. A lot of these people, they're taking their personal mental illness and they're projecting it into this revolution. And for some of them, they're dead serious, but some of them, a lot of people driving this, it's an extremely exotic political lark. They want to be in a Marvel movie or a Star Wars movie or their favorite like a Les Miserables musical. And there's this is deadly serious kids that are trying to go toe to toe with law enforcement. And that's why this is always going to end poorly, because they don't know how to respect law enforcement. They fundamentally disrespect law enforcement and they want a revolution. This is this is this must be quelled and it must be quelled quickly. Hey, guys, if you've been a faithful Kirk podcast listener for any amount of time, then you've probably already heard about strong cell. It was Charlie's favorite supplement. If you want to deal with your brain fog, fatigue, lack of energy or constant illness, then you have to try strong cell. 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Everybody, we're going to put up during this conversation how to support what he's doing. He's got a PayPal and a Venmo. He's doing guerrilla journalism right there on the streets in Minneapolis, putting himself hopefully not too much in harm's way, but very much so. Everything's crazy up there. Cam, welcome back to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. So you got your hands on you infiltrated or tell us the back story. How did you get into a hold of this information, this signal chat? And what did you find inside of it? Yeah, I, well, I made a friend and I can't say who it is or I can't elaborate what there, but I managed to get in. I got a link to many of the signal chats, specifically the rapid response groups that were being used to actively track down and hunt ice and then stage intentional obstruction of their operations, oftentimes resulting in violence and sometimes death in the case of Mr. Pretty. And I also believe that Renee Nicole Good was a member of the signal chats and I don't have confirmation from anybody in the chats like we do with with Alex Pretty, members of the network have admitted that he was what they call an observer. I don't have that for Renee Nicole Good. But what I do know is that she was engaging in the exact same tactics that everybody else in the network was engaging in. And here's the other thing, when they are in the neighborhoods, when you are seeing them actively impede ice or federal law enforcement operations in the neighborhoods, the only way you know to be there is through these networks. And I know that because before I was infiltrated, I drove around looking for ice convoys and looking for protesters in the neighborhood during active federal operations and I couldn't find any. But then I joined the signal chats. I hunted them down like over and over and over again. So, Cam, for people who haven't seen it, can you give a basic summary? What are the tactics they are describing? What's the whole process for how this unfolds? For maybe a typical ice convoy. So, as soon as they see a vehicle that they believe is federal law enforcement, they will send the plates into these signal rapid response groups. They have several occupations. There are people who are on motor patrols, so they're like in their cars and they're driving around looking for federal agents. There are stationary patrols, people in their cars sitting on corners. There are foot patrols, people walking around on foot and then people stationary on foot as well. You'll see them on corners everywhere you go in Minneapolis. Those people are constantly just looking for plates. Then there are plate checkers and that's indicated by an emoji of a dinner plate. That means that those are people who are probably home checking plates and comparing them to their air table database. Okay, and then you have dispatchers who run a 24-7 call. It's active right now who tell people what intersections to go to. They check the plates, they confirm it and they tell people go here. And then all of the patrols go to that location. And that's how they all end up there. And the goal is of course to impede federal law enforcement. That's their expressly stated goal. And that's exactly what they do. They obstruct, they de-arrest and they aid and abet illegal immigrants. They help vulnerable communities, they call them. And that's pretty much the synopsis. The network was nuked after I exposed it and they've already rebuilt it. I'd say it's probably about at half capacity of what it was before. So, and then so they go there to obstruct. What are the tactics they're told to use for the purposes of obstruction when they're on site? Stand in the way, block. A big one is honking your horn, blowing the whistles, follow the cars. So they'll follow the convoys everywhere. Um, like we were at one point, so Greg Bobino was driving around, uh, Southside Minneapolis in a convoy the other day. I think it was a distraction convoy, but there was literally like 20 cars following this convoy. Protesters honking their horns, blowing whistles. I mean, this convoy, if it was actually conducting operations, wouldn't have been able to get anything done. Um, due to the fact that there was such a volume of people following them with vehicles, which are weapons. Um, so, so those are the tactics. And when we drive our car downtown, our car was marked in their database as confirmed ice somehow. Um, don't know how it's in the air table database. I've seen it. I have screenshots of it. And, uh, so we would pick up like four tails anytime we went to Southside Minneapolis and I mean, it is like, as soon as you enter Southside Minneapolis, you automatically have three people following you. We would just right turn and a right turn and a right turn, go in a complete circle and they're still following us. Yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, it shows just how widespread this network is. There's a guy who replied to your tweet that's got 20 million engagements. By the way, congrats, Cam. It's great, great work. It's guy named Eric Schwalm. Um, I've checked him out. He's legit. It says, as a former special forces warrant officer with multiple rotations, running counter insurgency ops, both hunting insurgents and trying to separate from the sympathetic populations. Uh, I've organized, I've seen organized resistance up, up close from and bar to hem, hem, a helmet and the pattern is familiar. Spotters, cutouts, dead drops, discipline, comms, role specialization and a willingness to absorb casualties while bleeding the stronger force slowly. And that's the key. The, they're, they are willing to absorb casualties by design. It's an information op. They want to win the hearts and minds of people to play victim. When something goes wrong, when they cause it to go wrong, this is the whole game. This is the whole game. They're going to go put, put a bunch of kamikaze, Karens, put their bodies on the line. That's why you see Joy Reed saying, you need to put your white bodies on the line. They're going out in the streets in the middle of the freezing cold. Doesn't seem to matter. By the way, I do have a question just on this. It seemed like the cold had no effect on these people. Cause they are, cause we got Antifa streaming in from all, all across the country. Are you noticing? I will say at the federal building, there's a lot less people. And there was this big, invisible walkout protest downtown Minneapolis. There's tons of people for that, tens of thousands. But that was just a walkout. So they only had to be out on the streets for a short period of time, which made the crowd look massive. I do think it is having some degree of effect on them. It's not happening in effect on the patrols though, because they get to sit in their cars. So you get to sit in your car all day. And then finally you find a convoy or an agent doing an operation. You get out for an hour, potentially get killed. And if you don't get back in your car and you're fine. So I don't see this getting asked a lot. So they're doing all of these hindrance operations. Is ICE still making arrests? Are we able to see that happening? Are they striking out a lot? What's going on in that dimension? It seems like it. I mean, when I watched the signal chats they're talking about, there was a live abduction over here at this time. So it seems like they're still arresting people, at least according to the intel from the protesters, which isn't always the most reliable thing ever. But it seems like they're under the impression that arrests are still being made regardless. I haven't received any indication that things have slowed down. It's definitely difficult for them to operate given what they have to face at these intersections. I think this, that clip was actually just after the pretty shooting, which was like a war zone right there where it happened. Um, and those people were all called there through these signal chats. I watched it happen when he was killed. I was still in the, all of the chats before the network got, got new. They didn't realize I, I'd leaked this right around the same time he got killed and they hadn't, because he got killed, it was fog of war. They didn't realize I leaked it. So I was still watching. Well, the organizational level of this and in some of the high profile people, you mentioned the guy that was, that was killed, Freddie, he was in these signal chats. You've got the Lieutenant governor, you've got some state reps. Who else do we know that is of note that's in, that was inside these signal chats? Yeah, I don't have 100% confidence that the Lieutenant governor is in the chats, um, just because I don't want to make a 100% certain. Fair enough. I'm with that fair enough. It seems like there might be some evidence indicating that she is. Um, I know zero hours done a lot of work on, on that specifically. I haven't had a lot of time to dive into it because I'm still on the ground. I go out every day still. And I, I get in the mix of these protests. I was out there in the tear gas yesterday. Um, so all of my time is spent on signal gate and on the ground reporting. I just do info dumps and I say, I recorded everything inside the signal chats here it all is. And then other people go and they find out the names of the people who were in the chats and stuff like that. They slow it down. Um, I just haven't had the time to, to dive into specifically identifying people. I'm just making all of the information public. So. So. Oh, that these are my signal chats. So there's clearly a lot of people in these, they have pretty sophisticated resources when they're checking plates and all of that. Is there any evidence that they might have access to privileged information like that they have someone in the police, someone in the federal government, in the state government, who's giving them information or access to certain programs that are not supposed to be available for civilian use. I've heard this a lot. Um, I haven't seen any evidence that that's the case. It's definitely possible. I'm not saying it's not possible and I'm not saying it's not the case. I haven't specifically seen conclusive evidence that that's the case. They're definitely checking plates, but I do know that they have a system in place. And I haven't really had the opportunity to talk about this a lot. The system is that. They will run a plate and they have this air table database. And when you report a plate, you say vehicle seen with agents in the front seat, agents exited the vehicle, seen at the Whipple Federal Building in the parking lot, um, seen in an abduction or whatever. And that gives them, then the admins basically tagged that with highly suspected ice, confirmed ice, um, possible or not ice. And our vehicle was tagged as confirmed ice. I think because we were like right behind the convoy one of the days and they, they were like, we were, I was actually listening to them live while they were tracking our car. They're like, Ford F 150 joins convoy, Ford F 150 joins convoy. And I'm like, we're just doing the same thing. So they're really, I mean, they're not that smart too. It's the other thing, but I don't, I don't see any evidence that, that they have like, uh, like a government play checking software. It seems like it's all reporting at this time. Cam, I want to make sure that we get everybody to your, your pen, your pay, PayPal and Venmo. You can put those up again. So the PayPal is DC Higby at gmail.com and your Venmo is Cameron dash Higby. Cameron dash Higby, please support the work that cam's doing out there. Uh, please everybody you're watching real America's voice streaming. Please support cam. This is how reporting works now. Yeah. We have independent people. It's much more. PayPal is actually DCB, just so people know. Oh, DCB. Thank you. Thank you. DCB Higby, DCB Higby at gmail.com. Sorry about that cam. Stay safe. Thank you. Have me guys. Hi folks, Andrew Colvet here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Y refi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. Y refi can help. Just go to Y refi.com. That's the letter Y then refi.com. And remember, Y refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to Y refi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. I want to show you some of these folks that are actually confirmed. I believe the sluice on the internet, I should say, have have confirmed that they're in these signal chats. I mean, and it's it's very telling, right? So 263. This is an anti signal group leader who's been coordinating ICE riots identified as Amanda Kohler, paid protest organizer, Minnesota state senator, candidate and campaign strategist for Tim Walts. So that's a campaign strategist for Tim Walts. Working on paid protests. One of the organizers of this signal group. That's what an insurgency looks like in 2026. 264. This is Anita Smith Smithson, candidate from Minnesota state Senate. Avid anti ICE watch dispatcher. So again, this is the face of an insurgent. This is a radicalized population in the United States. 265. This is David Snyder, another gentleman who seems to have been involved in these signal chats. If any of this is incorrect, we'll correct the record. By the way, we're looking at this. This seems to be pretty well established. So we will correct the record if any of these people are improperly named. But I just want I wanted I wanted to show these because I think you have this image maybe you're like me and you have this image in your head of what a radical looks like. But what you know what these were used to the Portland mutants. Correct. And those are just sort of the those are the SEAL team six of this. They're the ones who really will get in the thick of it. But the bedrock of so much of left wing activism is people like that. And they're very important. And they're actually probably the greatest weapon the left has. Just a very, very, normy looking, very motivated, frankly, very moral in how they view the world. They're the kind of a moral framework. Yeah. So they're very they have a moral framework. They act according to their ideology. They are not nihilists. They are people. When Charlie would talk about women being norms and forcers and that what goes on with a lot of liberal women is they're the kind of people who would be holding your church together a hundred years ago. And they've kind of been given a bad moral framework to work with and they've gone berserk. And that's what's going on here. These people have gotten raised in or seduced by a ideology that's steadily driven them insane. And but they're still very committed. They're very organized, very effective. And they get things. They're able to get things done. And they're organizing the signal chat like that. That is something will be frank. The right has a lot of difficulty with that. That's one of the reasons even turning point was so important was just getting off the ground. This level of multi state, multi institution organization that the left just comes to a lot more organically most of the time. Well, and I think a part of that you're talking about these norms and these rules that these ideologies that they are very committed to. And we're you know, we on the right, we want to build our business, build our family, build our church. They want to build their insurgency. They want to build, they want to fight for those illegal immigrants and those child rapists with all their might. And there's another factor too, which is just that for a long time, if you had a right of if you had something on par with that signal chat on the right, one, it would get doxed earlier. And the people in it would get in serious trouble and would lose their jobs and have bar complaints against them and all that. And I don't think you'll see the same thing. Well, I hope you're wrong. I hope you're wrong. I actually, I again, so I talk about building immunity. This is going to be a repeat theme. You were building immunity to the sob stories, I hope. And I think we're doing that. I think one of the key roles of this show, key roles of what Charlie did, certainly key roles of turning point is helping build the backbone, build immunity to the old tactics. We can't be pushed around and we can't be pushed off the mark. When you let in 20 million people, 10 million people, whatever it was, Blake's 100 percent right. That is essentially a nullification of the United States. That means we don't have borders. We don't have sovereignty. So we can't let that stand. The rules have to be enforced. You come in here and you invade us. You got to go. That's the bottom line. There can be no moving up that mark. More to the point, not even just if you come here legally, you got to go. But if we're trying to arrest you, like we have to be allowed to do it. Yes. Yeah. And by the way, and if you're some lib that wants to keep all your fraudsters, by the way, I thought about this on the way to the office this morning. Remember how this started? 10s of millions, hundreds. Yeah, that's the original starting point. 10s of millions, just decades really of ignoring our immigration laws. Decades of letting businesses hire foreigners illegally. But then you get Nick Shirley. He goes and he uncovers billions of dollars of fraud up in. Well, it's come out this weekend. Every place they've gone, it's like, oh, there's an address next door and it has three daycares and a Medicaid services company all registered to this address. Yeah. That's happened repeatedly this past weekend. They're stealing your money. They're defrauding the U.S. taxpayer. Many of them are violent criminals, foreign gang members, drug dealers, child traffickers, child traffickers. Many have killed Americans. And I don't want to hear all this crap about all illegal immigrants per capita kill less than ICE agents. Garbage. ICE agents are getting pressed right now. They're getting hunted and stalked in the streets, harassed, goaded. And they have a very difficult job. Not every decision they make is going to be super easy to defend every time. And this is why, because in a split, split second decision, when you're wrestling, somebody who's resisting you, who's packing, who's armed. Yeah, some, some, some decisions are going to be made that maybe on in retrospect could have been made a different way. When you're about to get rammed by a car, something bad could happen. That's why my instinct without fail is always to be in defensive law enforcement. And yours should be that way too, because they have a very difficult job. I figure we should hit President Trump has. Yeah, go ahead. Spoken on truth. This is about an hour ago. He says, Governor Tim Walz called me with the request to work together with respect to Minnesota. It was a very good call. And we actually seem to be on a similar wavelength and be interested in hearing that call. Yeah. I told Governor Walz that I would have Tom Holman call him and that we were looking to have any and all criminals that they have in their possession. The governor very respectfully understood that and I will be speaking to him in the near future. He was happy that Tom Holman was going to Minnesota. And so am I. We have had such tremendous success in Washington, DC, Memphis and New Orleans and virtually every other place that we have touched. And even in Minnesota crime is way down, but both Governor Walz and I want to make it better. President Donald J. Trump, no, thank you for your attention. Can I tell you why I like Tom Holman going there? Tom Holman is a tactician. So his background is actually less on the policy side, less on the even the media side, although he's very good at doing media. I think he's very compelling. He's a tactician. He's an operator. This is a guy that received commendation from Barack Obama for all of his deportations. But this is a field general. This is who we need in the field and not only for moral support, boosting morale for ICE agents there that are getting pressed upon at every turn. But Tom Holman is an absolute rock star stud. He's got a spine of steel. He will not be cowed. He will not be bent. And so I love having him there. He's also, I think, very reasonable when you talk to him. He can talk to people on the other side of the aisle. And I think my hope is we will see de-escalation. But one way we get there is we do not back down. You got to hand over your criminals. There's no other way. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.