Hert Eugene Joins Very Vehicular to Give Scotto Hell, Plus Reminisce About Early Hoonigan Days

Today's episode is a great one. Why? Because Hertz here. You know, we talk about everything. We talk about obviously the old times, nostalgia, Poonagin, what he's up to now, a little bit of everything in between. And because he's hurt, I give him shit. He gives me shit. We break each other's balls. It's a fantastic episode. Enjoy. All right, I'm gonna just start. I was supposed to make notes on all these episodes and yours is blank because I wasn't really sure if you were gonna show. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I also like you were kind of like last minute because you got to add. Yeah. But I just do have like one really important question. Do you miss me? Well, like what and what way? I love that that needs a cab. Yeah, you're like, what way are we talking? It's an open question for you to answer. There are things about you. There are things about you. There's a couple things. Yeah, there's some things about you that I miss. Does your life feel more free without you? No, no, because now I have employees and they think I'm you. So I enjoy this. So I mean, like, you could look at it two ways either, you know, you were either one of the best or one of the worst things to ever happen to me. Yeah, I'll take one of the best. I got a little secret to share and that's I like talking a lot and for long periods of time, fortunately, a lot of people know my secret, including my friends over Viper Industrial who said you guys need stools that you can sit on for hours. They made us these really rad stools. It's their robust, but they did him custom. It says three, two, one action, action in the seat, really nice brown leather. These things are great and you can modify them. We're going to do the adjustable back. We've already added the pneumatics. I mean, who doesn't love a stool that's probably built better than your car and has just as many mods. 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I got them on all my cars and trucks. Typically on set, I can't wear sunglasses. Why? Because I'm often looking at a screen. And a lot of times it's hard to really see what's going on if my lenses are too dark. But Heatwave fixed that problem. These new photochromics, they adjust from almost clear to pretty dark tint depending on the sun, which is great because when I was in Australia filming Jim Khanna, it was one really bright, especially in the Outrack. And there's also a ton of flies out there. These prevented them from getting into my eyes. I don't actually understand how the technology works. They told me it's wizardry. I believe them. You should too. You should also get yourself a pair. And if you have an extra large head, they fit pretty nicely. All right. So like to rewind for everyone. So you actually, and this is kind of interesting because you left Hoonigan before what is now sort of known as the mass Exodus. Everyone's wrote, but you in standard hurt fashion forgot to tell people you left. So you left to go do the TV show with Hot Wheels, right? And I, and you know, in the background, I'm like, I knew that all the Nappy Boy stuff was there. And you had this great opportunity. So you left early. But then you didn't tell anyone. You didn't like, you like, you recorded a video that you probably sat on for like seven months. I did. By the way, how is Unprose part two, season finale part two coming? Are you almost done with that? You know, actually, yeah, me and Rob have been working on it. Are you really? Oh, that's kind of awesome. Rob and I have been working on it. Inside joke, they released a season finale of Unprose in two parts and they never released the second part. This is like 10 years ago now. But yeah, no, I, I, I never really looked at it that way that I, I didn't, that I forgot to tell people, you know, because I was just doing, you're doing your thing. You're like, you're like living in Manchester for months. And yeah. So, you know, I, everything happened at Hoonigan. But you were like, it's funny because I want to let you know that people who are sort of inside the Hoonigan group think that it was planned. Yeah. Because you announced, and then like, then I announced, then like Vinny, then Ron, then Zach, and it was like, it all fell in order. And you like jumped us all on it. Like you announced like, they were like, they were like, just as long as you guys don't just wait till after SEMA to say you're leaving. And you were like, the week before SEMA, I'm out. But it started though, you were like, I had to be first. I had zero conversation with you, Vinny, Ron, anyone at Hoonigan, no conversation whatsoever. I was like, oh, I should probably release this video because, because I'm going to SEMA and it makes sense. And I'm doing my own thing and la la la. So I was like, yeah, drop it. And then I come to find out that everyone had theirs planned. And it looked like we did a group, a group walk out. Like it was a big group. But I had quit a year before already. Yeah. Yeah, man. How was, how's, how's life now? It's good, man. You seem to be driving a lot. Like you somehow accomplished the thing that all of us told you wasn't possible at Hoonigan. Because you're like, I just want to drive and not do everything else. And like, it seems like, from the outside, that's what it looks like that you're actually getting in all of the driving. Yeah. I mean, I, I definitely driving a lot more than I ever really got the opportunity to. I mean, it's the culmination of a lot of things. You know, I remember a lot of our early days, start up Hoonigan vibes, going to Formula D events, setting up booths and stuff. And I'm essentially following that model, but at grassroots events. So grid lives and things like that, things that we can also participate in as drivers while selling merch and making content and whatever like that. So, so that has given me the opportunity to kind of stretch my legs a little more and get some seed time. And, and I mean, you know me, I love driving. So definitely not mad at it. It's crazy. Cause like I, I was thinking about this the other day. You remember bash bangers? Yeah. So like that was maybe the second year that you were at Hoonigan or maybe the first year. I think that was the first year. I think we kind of just, and like, cause when you talk about grassroots, I feel like that was 2013 for sure. That was 2013. Yeah. And that was like us trying to like pay attention to grassroots because like so every FD was still really big. And like, I felt like, like had a big shadow on everything else and drifting. And it was like the bashes were starting to grow. And obviously like East coast bash was like big. And then there was all the other ones right there was all star and then no star and, and all of them. And it's funny cause like, I think about it, like there's so many people that like I met just by going to like one or two of them with you that are like still very much like, they ended up becoming big people in sort of the space like Ilya, for example, and like, like Simba and people like that who like I met or like, um, what's his face? Now, Nick, like, like, it's like, these are all people who like, like now have like a big part to do is like drifting today, but they were all just like these grassroots just back then. Yeah. Just in their little corner, building up their, their area and contributing to the building blocks of, you know, what drifting is. Um, bash bangers, like former D was super important for us. I mean, you know, we had a lot of awesome drivers between Turk and Forsberg and all these guys doing the bridging the gap on their end of like missile cars and, and fast cars. Um, and like being a part of that and working with those guys and going to East coast bash with them and just doing fun stuff with them was a huge part of what I was already doing. So like, it was cool to, to tap that in, but going to do the bash bangers tour and like, I always love, I mean, I'm, I'm a grassroots baby, you know? So any opportunity to, to tell that story and, and prop drifting up on that side, up on a pedestal was always exciting to me. Um, it's always interesting because like for me, D was actually such a big part of my life, you know, going to formula D and filming with my friends who were drivers there and just capturing chaotic content was such a huge part of my story getting to Hoonigan and like starting that new journey. That yeah, it was interesting when it stopped when Hoonigan was like, yeah, we're not doing formula D anymore. And I felt lost, you know, because that was such a big part of my story. But then after the first event, I was like, Oh, I could, I guess I could do other stuff. You know, right. And then like really started opening doors, uh, mentally and like, you know, pulling gates back and allowing me to do other stuff. Um, but I think that was a major pivot for us though. I mean, I think we, we, there was this moment where I remember we went to an FD event and I was like, it grossed me out how many people were wearing Hoonigan shirts, which is like a weird thing to say is like the owner of the company, but to be like, shit, like we've hit saturation way too quickly. Like half of the people here are wearing Hoonigan. It was nuts. And then it was like, maybe we need to like not focus on this as much. Like we're already here. We could desaturate a little bit and we put some time into other spaces, did some off road stuff, did some muscle car stuff. But that all was sort of the path to what ended up becoming, I think probably the thing that inadvertently was probably the most important thing for most of your guys' careers. I don't know mine, but for you guys, which was daily transmission, right? Cause I think daily transmission took this shift and went from like, we were behind the scenes. We were helping guys like, I don't like Turk and Forrest Berg become, you know, bigger names or do whatever. And then all of a sudden it was like, no, now you're going to be the name and like Vinny's going to be the name. And like that was like a major shift for us that I don't, I definitely don't think that was in my head early on. Like we were making small little pieces of content, like smoke break and things like that at the original shop. Like we always were doing that, but we weren't leaning into the characters of like the people who worked there beyond just like, Hey, this is hurt. Hurt has a cool car. Like this is Scott. Oh, Scott has a cool car. But like we were not like, we weren't really big upping ourselves. I remember we were grossed out by vlogging and you know, like vlogging was, you know, the idea of it just didn't, we didn't understand it. And I mean, maybe that's a strong word. I don't know what it was, but we were just like, yeah, we don't really want to do that. And then, you know, we started just, you know, I guess just doing fun stuff at the time. Yeah. We just kind of created our own version. Yeah. And then I was like, I think, I think we're looking at it wrong. We don't have to do this person's version or that person's version or that person's version. We just do, you know, there's nothing wrong with documenting your fun and sharing that with the world. And that when I think we all realized that that changed a lot for us. So now, and like, because I don't want to, but we, I did an episode with Vinny and Ron, we spent a lot of time kind of down memory lane. I don't want this whole podcast to just be like, remember when we were cool back then, because you're still cool and you're doing actually cooler shit now. See, that's something that he's always been good at. It's like, you're doing stuff. I'm working on a movie, but you're doing, you're a rapper. You are a rapper. I can go on Spotify and I can listen to you. And I kind of, I think you kind of killed pain on that track. I'm just saying, oh my God, doing one song doesn't make you a rapper, but you got to think about it. Right. You know, first off, shout out to you, pain. That dude is awesome. I can't really put into words how I would never expect somebody like him to be as down to earth and humble as they are, you know, and it's, it's been a mind blowing experience to work with somebody like that, but also genuinely become friends with after I was that person for Halloween and like, yeah, our entire early twenties was T-Pain coated, you know? So, so yeah, shout out to him. But I feel like anyone in that situation should rise to the occasion when you have someone like that saying, hey, I have an idea for a song. Let's do a song. We do a song. You're going to be on the song. I was like, what? And then were you nervous about that? So I have this thing that I've been doing, like I don't let nervousness stop you from doing something, right? Because the way I look at it is I could go in and be nervous and do a bad job or I can go in and not be nervous and still do a bad job. And, you know, it's so no point in feeling a certain way, just go in and do it and have fun. You know what I mean? So I wasn't nervous. You know, I definitely was just like, fuck it. I have to do this, you know? So I'm going to draw a parallel and stop me if it's not a parallel that makes sense for you. But I feel like in a lot of ways, what Ken was to me seems to be what T-Pain is for you, right? And, you know, I only got you realize like through all this, I only met T-Pain once. I feel like it was almost like it was weird. Like you didn't want to introduce your ex-girlfriend to your new girlfriend or like whatever. But we got to go. As long as you know that you're the girlfriend. Yeah. I'm going to text T-Pain about that. We'll see about that. But like, you know, we went, we had dinner and I walked out of that and I texted you and I was like, man, I'm really like, I'm not just proud of you, but I'm also like, I'm stoked for you. Like, because I could see the relationship that you guys have and it was similar in my relationship with Ken. And the one thing that was really interesting with Ken was Ken was not a core car guy to start, right? So he trusted me. There was an element of like, you know this, tell me what to do, right? Ken knew marketing, Ken knew culture, but he didn't really know the car stuff, you know? And it was like, there was certain stuff. I mean, he learned it as the time went on, but he wasn't like you and I where we lived and breathed it every day. Ken's feed on Instagram was like snowboarding and furniture and like some race stuff. He wasn't in it the same way that we were. And because of that, I was there to help fill in some of those spaces. But at the same time, whenever I talk about Ken and my relationship with him, one of the things that always comes up is like, dude just made me feel like capable of things that I didn't think I was capable of, right? And I think like, when I see you go and try to rap, I'm like, yo, pain got that same, that same confidence drug that he could be like, here, you go do this, like you got this. And like, it seems like you're kind of like stepping into that and owning that. Yeah, no, I mean, there's definitely a lot of parallels. I cannot deny that. Just the timing and life and the way that it's happening and the way that it's going. And one of pain's biggest things is really just like, hey, I don't know if this is going to work. Okay, so it doesn't work. Like you do it, doesn't work, then what happens? You know, you just, you go on to the next thing, like, don't let a thought like that stop you from trying something that could work as well. Like as much as it might not work, it could work and change things, change the entire landscape. So, so there's definitely a lot of that going on, just, you know, taking unknown steps and the result is the result. So, yeah. So let me ask you, I'm going to take notes on this. So how did you figure out how to be sort of in my position at Nappy Boy but still drive and have fun? Because I was never able to figure that out. The most driving I did was after I gave my notice to him again, and then I was able to eke out a few tracks. I mean, I think, I think just coming into it the way that I was, right? I think, I mean, I, I can't tell your story, but I mean, you've always been the, like in the war zone, gut of it, just the wild man. So it's like, I came in, I mean, I think, I think what the defining factor is, I came in and I taught my business partner how to drift cars, right? You know, and so that gave me the little, that gave me the key to unlock, you know, unlock the door and continue to do that. But honestly, I, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think it boils down to just, because like, you know, things like I never asked you. I never knew what the goal was for Hoonigan. You know, I never, I never asked you what the goal was. I never asked you what you and Ken had in mind for it. I just loved the feeling and everything. And I was ride or die, like just from our experiences before, like my experiences with drift alliance and building a friendship with them and making content with them that led into like that night at SEMA, you know, the night, you know, the night at SEMA. You mean the one where we almost got into a fight with that bouncer at the Falcon party? Sorry, Nick. Hey, shout out Falcon. One of my sponsors. I love you guys. It's funny how that, by the way, this is brought to you by Toyo Tires. Hey, you know, friends got friends. Yeah, friends got friends. But just the way that like, you know, our story built and I, you know, obviously Ken, I mean, with Jim Conner and all the stuff he was doing. Just had nothing but respect for you guys. So I was like, they say we're going to build this brand. All right, let's go build this brand. You know, it was just, and it was a pretty just undeniable, you know, thing for me. It's funny when you talk about goals, because like I talk, I think a lot about, it's hard not to think about like Hoonigan and did we always take the right path? And, you know, a lot of people after everything happened would come up to me and be like, man, like I'm so sorry. And I'm like, man, we were here for a good time, not a long time. Like it worked. Like it worked when it worked. And when it worked, it was great. And like everyone kind of got out on skates. We're all still friends, which is cool. And like, I think a lot of people did get to a point where I was like, but like, you know, like everyone in the end, like whether it's like soupy, like everybody kind of like, you know, figured it out in the end, I think like we were all just stressed in a bad situation. And then we all, I think came out better from it. But going back to like your question of like, you know, what, you know, like, what was the goal? I think the goal was always moving, which was like the fun, but also the scary part, right? Like the idea that the goalpost constantly shifted. In the beginning, the goal was like, can we make this work? Right? Like, is this working? And then once it started working, it was like, okay, can like how much more can we make this work? And then I think it got to a point where the goal was like, we are becoming a juggernaut, like how big can this become? And that was really good, I think until the goal became, can we sell this? And like, it was always the goal. Like it was all, I mean, when Ken, you know, did the original deal with me, it was like, we're going to build this company, we're going to do this, and we're either going to license it or sell it within five years. We, it took us whatever, 12 or 13 years to sell. So it took a lot longer. But we also grew it into something, I think, way bigger than Ken and I initially thought. Ken saw it very much in the beginning, it was just a clothing company. I mean, he saw it as metal militia for cars. Right? Like, how do you create this cool brand? And then you have a licensing company deal with it all. And like, you just do the, the content and the marketing around it all. But then the content became bigger and bigger and bigger. And like, and then all of a sudden, like, half of the employees at Hoonigan became these personalities and became a part of it. And then I think it was just like, how big, you know, what can we do? What else can we take on? And that was like, really fun for a while. And then all of a sudden, one day it wasn't, I think like one day it just got to a point where like, we were growing for the sake of growing, not because it was like the stuff we all wanted to do. But it's interesting, because I think like, you got to be, you know, it's interesting that you say you didn't feel like you knew what the goal was, but I definitely think you were, you were, you were in the inside circle of like what we were always trying to do. And I had never been in a company like that before. Like the first time I was doing it was with Hoonigan. I didn't know. And you know, and I think the one thing that a lot of people don't understand about Hoonigan, which is weird, but it is like, like Ken didn't work in the building. Yeah. Like Ken wasn't there. Like he was in Utah, he was running his own race program, he was doing his own thing. There was a lot of stuff that like, I was like, man, I don't know how to do this, we're just gonna figure this out. We're just gonna do this on our own. And it wasn't really until YouTube became successful that I think Ken was like, what are you guys doing with the YouTube thing? Because he was always the one like Jim Connell, that stuff was where, where it was where the money was. And then all of a sudden YouTube started to crack. And then he was like, Oh, maybe I, maybe I should have a YouTube channel too, you know, because we were out there just testing it and trying it out. But I, to turn this kind of back around to you, like, do you feel like in a way you could kind of take your experience with Hoonigan and let it either be like, I don't want to say cautionary tale, because I think there's a, there's a lot of amazing stuff we did to Hoonigan. And it's unfortunate that it ended sort of in the way that it did, but it was always going to, it's like your favorite band always brings up in the end. Like if your favorite band never stops touring, they're probably not your favorite band anymore. Like there's something about that like magic that I always compares to Jackass. Cause I think it's like the same thing. Like there's a window of time where like it all works, but you got like a front or a seat to all of that. And now you're getting to do it again. Like, is there like, does that change your perspective on how you do it now? I mean, I think the, so there are definitely some lessons. But I didn't think this was going to be a business conversation. I actually was, I want to make this a conversation about style, but we'll get back to that. My time at Hoonigan was interesting because naturally I, I, on the spot, if someone asked me name five things that you learned at Hoonigan that you learned working with Brian Scott, and honestly, I might not be able to, to rip it off the top of my head, but if you come in with a specific question about something and then I find myself rambling and I'm like, Oh, that's, that's one of the things that I learned, you know, You learned how to hide cars from your wife. Let's just be honest, bro. You're like, she might listen to this dude. I mean, this is, this is kind of wild, a wild take now. It must be my aging or whatever, but I, or just my ability to destroy, but I don't get the same joy from having as many cars as I have right now. Vinny just brought this up. Vinny was like hoarding cars is not as cool as it once was. Yeah, it doesn't feel like we made it cool during COVID and it's not cool anymore. It doesn't feel the same. And now I'm struggling to pick some cars to relinquish, you know, what do you think the right number is? I want to bring us back to the business side. I'd say four. Four? Yeah, I think four is a good number. I think like for normal people, three, like what I call the three car solution. And like, here's how that works for me because I know everyone loves the two car, two cars ridiculous. You just three cars simple, a pickup truck, that's a crew cab. I was in Canada. A pickup truck, that's a crew cab so that you can toast up, right, whatever. But it's a nice enough pickup truck that you can also take it to dinner. Right. So like it could be your family vehicle, like a Raptor or something like that. I definitely think we, I definitely think we differ there because I only see those as tools. I don't look at trucks and like think about, I get that, but you can use it if you need to. Yeah. Like a Raptor is nice enough that your friends getting married and you do the wedding and Raptor, it's acceptable. It's respected. It's fine, right? Yeah. Then I think you need a project car that like it runs, it doesn't run whatever it is. And then you need another, and this is what has changed in my life now, is you need another fun car that kind of always runs. So my RS2 is that car. So like, no matter what everything else isn't working, like when I get in the RS2, it reminds me I still like cars and gives me a reason to keep working on my car. Cause there was a period of time where the only thing I was driving was Church Van and that was like pre 700 horsepower. Yeah, it's got 700 horsepower now. If you want some of that, slower than the GS, the GS makes 800. So if you want, you want these pros, I got all the drive, you want to run on that. You want these problems. You could have them. We could bring back that. We can make that verse. This is a whole new show. I'd be willing for all of us, you, me, Vin, Ron, Zach, I'd be willing for all of us to pick a location and meet up and race. It's on. It's on. You want, no, let's do it. I'm dead serious. Is it call out style or you just bring your fastest whatever? Run with you, brung, everyone gets fucking smoked. All right. What do you bring in? Everyone gets smoked. You finally gave me a reason to finish my crew. Everyone gets smoked. Let's do it. All right. I'm on. Let's do it. We'll call everybody else afterwards. I'll pay for it. We'll put on Abbey Boy. All right. We'll get that done. We'll get that done. All right. So I don't even know where. I don't even know where. But I was saying, like, I was sitting there driving like a stock van every day and I like stopped licking cars because I wasn't driving anything fun. So I feel like that's like a good three car. But then I think for people like us, I think probably 10 is the right number. 10. I'm at 25. That's like more than 50% reduction. You own 25 vehicles at this moment right now. You're sitting on the property right now. At the farm? No, right here. Here. This property, the 911, the Ferrari, the Rabbit was in the driveway. The Disco is in the backyard. The RS2 is parked out on the street. The B150 is out on the street right now because I was about to. That's the Mexican truck. Oh, that truck. Yeah. And the van is parked in front. And then my wife's, my wife's LR4. That's just here. How many of these cars run at a 25? If you would have asked me a week ago, I would have said all of them. Three cars broke last week. Out of the 25? Oh, no, no, no. I mean, the ones here. Because all these are kind of runnest because they're at the house. I know. I know you're naturally going to list the good ones first. I've got like five cars that just probably will never run and I'm okay with that. Because like I'm just kind of holding them because I know at some point I won't be able to afford them. It's kind of like the FDRX7 was for you. So I got to the point where, you know, I used to say I have 12 cars. Now I just say eight. Because four of them are that. Oh, so you try not to count them? Yeah, just because like, you know, I mean they count, but when I talk about them, I don't bring them up really, you know, just because it's just like, oh yeah, I have this RX7, that's one day going to be something. And then this other RX7, that's one day going to be something. And then this other RX7. How does it feel to lie to yourself? It's they're going to be, they're going to be something. All right. You don't, you understand. You definitely, of all people understand. So my, yeah, my list of 20. 10 is aggressive. I think 10, if like you work in the business, you make content, you need to be able to rotate through things, people get bored of stuff, or you could be like Vinny and just and not hold on to have commitment issues and not hold on to anything. I mean, that works out great for his business. Right. Yeah. Like I think it's, it's awesome to see. When he's starting to dealership. So like his whole new business now is buy a car, use it in content, fix it up, do whatever, enjoy it for like three to four months and then sell it and then move on. I mean, that's what drivers are supposed to be. Right. It is again. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's kind of, I thought that was brilliant. Him and Ron actually split. Ron's now doing anti lag, which is a, which is like a rally car inspired thing. Cause that was more what he cared about. And Vinny wanted to do more of the dealership thing. So he's doing that with drivers. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. But okay. So four cars. So let's just, let's play this game. Name your four cars. So you only have four cars. Four cars. Four cars. My GS 300 four doors, four doors built motor, 3.2 liter stroke or 800 horsepower on low boost. So like when I see you, I can turn it up. AC put my family in it, go wherever I could drive it across the country. And it looks good as hell. It's a great car. Yep. Yep. And I can drift it. Yep. That's a Swiss. It's an all around car. Swiss Army. Yeah. Yeah. And I can drag race and smoke on my friends. That's kind of, I guess what the RS2 is for me, obviously it's not, I don't really, it being able to need to drift is not a priority for me. Sure. Yeah. But it serves you. If it could use a little bit more power, like for me, I think a 500 to 600 horsepower RS2 would be perfect. And I want the air conditioning to work because it doesn't right now. Yeah. That was a non-negotiable. There's some local guys, heat lightning speed shop. They specialize in GS's. Oh, nice. And I was just so fed up with the car. I found them. And that was my only non-negotiable. Well, that's because you're 40 now, right? Is there a mic issue here? You're 40 now, right? Because no, because when you're 40 is when you need air conditioning. I'm in my 30s. Late. I'm in my 30s. You're in your late, late 30s. I am in my 30s. I think you're in your late, late 30s. I am. There is no four in front of my age. So 35 is mid 30s. 37 would be mid late 30s. 38, which is what I think you are would make you late, late 30s. What's this podcast called? Over 40. I only bring on guests over 40. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's called Very Old. I thought it was called Pushin' 50. No, let's stay on, let's stay. Look, I'm in my 30s. Anyway, GS, I explained that. That car is fantastic, right? My GTR, R32, kind of the same vibe as the GS. It's a coupe, but you can still put fam in the back, AC. Collector car too. All-wheel drive collector car. And that, I mean, just that boxy era is me. You know, FCs are my favorite car. The R32 is the same idea with that, right? And that's- You like 944s too, right? I'm better than 911s, actually. Well played. Well played. Have you been holding that one for a few years? That was nice. You inspired it. Keep going, keep going. You like boxy cars. R32 GTR, same thing. You can have power, all-wheel drive, super fun handling, AC car that you can take anywhere with anyone, right? So those are like the two Swiss armies that are super fun. Then the Corolla. It's- Which one? The Beams one. Okay. The Levin. Yeah, so hatchback, Levin, 300 horsepower, naturally aspirated, Hasselgren engineering built, Beams, 10,000 RPM, all the good sounds, all the good feels, all the good handling, no AC, very raw and can grip and drift, right? And I mean, that's a fall, that's a fall street car too, you know? And then, and then the fourth car is like the full race car. RX-7 four-rotor, fully caged, sequential. Okay. I like this list, but there's like zero practicality here, because one, there's no truck in the list. And is that because you're just including work trucks? That's what I was saying, is like, you and I see trucks differently. I just see them as tools. So I don't- You don't even include- That's not even on my, yeah, it's just a tool that you use to go to the thing. Right. But yeah, it's so fun. And what's your car, what's your car driver right now? She's got a- She's got a Lexus or- No, no, we leased a 2024 Telluride while we figure out what- Oh, hell yeah. What we want to. Those are kind of nice. Yeah, they are super nice. They're super nice. Whenever I see them drive by, I'm like, ooh. Yeah, they're- Telluride? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not bad. And the lease was so cheap. It was like, why not, right? Okay, so four plus truck. Four plus truck. Four plus truck. Now, I might be wrong, because like, I love having cars. So you're saying there's no FD in your list anymore? I could sell that car. You could. I could sell that car. Okay. Yeah, I could sell that car. It's definitely, I've thought about it. I could sell that car. And if I had a breakdown to four, I think I would do, obviously the 911, that's like the forever car. My RS2. I guess my rabbit, which is weird, but I just love that thing. And do I get four plus one because of the truck? Sure. Sure. All right, the van's the plus one. Yeah. See. I guess the Nova. Because it keeps that one, keeping it as varied as possible. So that's the thing. I've got my all wheel drive car. Yeah, but then it's a bumper, because I know that keeps me no track cars, but whatever. I feel like four is a sweet list, but I don't know if it's possible. I don't have four cars. I have more than four cars. And I do like the FD sometimes. I'm not driving in the summer. It doesn't have AC. Not going to touch it. You know, we definitely sound like addicts talking about how we ain't going to get high tomorrow while we're still high right now. But currently so, so torqued, fully torqued. I've got the GS, the R32, the Corolla, the other Corolla, Torx Valium, FD, JZX100. Oh, you had that. 240SX. Remember that time I smoked you in my 200? You're JZX? Yeah. Anyway, I just wanted to remind you, I brought it up in the last podcast. So automatic and naturally aspirated. It's not a, don't worry. We will meet again. So that's a, I think that's all of them. I have a 350Z. I don't really talk about. You have a 350Z? You haven't showed it to anyone. Oh, it's a secret car. Yeah, it's just a secret car. So nice. It's just a pilot. You don't have that Cressida anymore? No, I gave that away. I gave that to a chair slayer. Oh, okay. Yeah. Cause I just was like, I mean, I, I didn't even take money. I paid for that car. I bought it from Ron and I gave it to chair slayer. No one would buy it. I lost. I lost. No one would buy it. Yeah. I don't know, man. I love having cars. I love experiencing different cars. Like one thing, you know, all my cars, none of them have the same engine. Right. Cause I almost did multi swap a couple cars, but then I was like, then it's just gonna feel. What's the fun of that? Yeah, exactly. So, so I love experiencing different things. I mean, I think the Vinny Rout is super cool cause he gets to experience it, build it how he wants to, and then flip it and it all just pays for itself, you know, and that's just a brilliant way to go about being a car enthusiast. Yeah. I think, you know, where. It doesn't work for me, but I get it. Yeah. No, I'm stuck in a hole of breaking the same shit over. Yeah. But it seems like for the first time ever, you've got a bunch of working machines. Yeah. I mean, you know, starting this journey with Naby Water Motive and T-Pain, you know, we have, you know, we've got a John. Yeah. Someone who's in the shop all the time, making sure everything is good to go. And then we're going, your cars, not like you, it's not like you're building. No, we're not building in an essence car. We're keeping our ship running, you know, for our events and stuff. And then, you know, when something new comes in for ourselves, you know, I mean. Because that's the part no one understood at Hoonigan was that all the people who worked at Hoonigan, when we were there to work on cars, we're working on project cars that belong to the company that were like funding our content. Yeah. But all our personal cars, we pretty much all worked on on our own, which is why it was always such a disaster. It definitely added stress to what we're doing. But yeah, so I'm in a ship now where, you know, I, it definitely, you definitely find a disconnect when you're completely not touching your stuff, you know, and I'm going to start breaking that disconnect, you know, you know, just being more active in the shop and just, I don't know. I think being in the shop and being immersed helps everything else. It keeps your mind creatively thinking about what's next or what should we do with this or that and all the loss. So I think that helped us out a lot of Hoonigan because we were really active in the shop. I mean, that was like the peak era. Yeah. I remember, do you remember this when the first time you were working on your, your LSSE and I came over and yeah, I came over and I don't even think it was video. I think I was just taking photos. Dude, we didn't record anything there. No, no, I was just taking photos. It actually blows my mind that we didn't, we have like no video from that time. And that was one of the sickest times. Yeah. And we can't even go. I've tried to go on Facebook and try to find it. Facebook kit won't load that far back. Like it just struggles to load anything that far back. Most people don't even realize that time again. Yeah, no, no idea. Because it's a pre-donut garage. So pre-long page. Just Instagram, Facebook. Downtown LA. Instagram, Facebook. Grimy. Yeah. Remember when the vagrants jumped over the fence and cut the wiring harness out of Ashley's car and then stole our barbecues and they like hoisted them like over a 20 foot fence. Remember the door wouldn't close. What was his name? Was it Ernie? Was it Ernie? Yeah, Ernie. Yeah. I still got. You know, it's funny you mentioned that because I just found photos of Ernie the other day. Do you want to, you know, who's the best? You know, it's crazy. Julio. You remember Julio? Of course I remember Julio. Bro, Julio ended up outside my shop in Long Beach. What? Right before I left, I saw Julio. And I was like, Julio? And he was like, oh, what's up, man? And he was just outside my shop in Long Beach. So quick Julio story. Julio was a vagrant who lived near 621 Long Beach office, right, Donut Garage. And he would, if he was, if you just caught him off by himself, he was, he was always like, kind of loudly talking to himself or kind of yelling. He definitely presented as the kind of vagrant, right? Like, or whatever you want to call him, unhoused, whatever person you did not want to be near. Yeah. But if you called him by name, it would like break the spell. And he would then become like this super mild manner, really, really nice guy. And it was like 2 30 in the morning, one night. And there, I had just retimed the disco. I was driving home, because remember, I used to always stay at the shop super late and work on stuff. I had just timed the disco and I'm driving home. I'm leaving the shop and I closed the gate and I'm going to make going around the corner underneath the bridge and the rover breaks. And I'm like, God damn it. It's like 2 30 in the morning. Like I have no way to tow it back to the shop. Like I'm by myself and I'm trying to like push this thing back to the shop. And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I just hear, get in, get in, get in, get in. And I'm like, what? And it's Julio. He comes running up. He's like, you steer. I push. And this dude pushed me. I don't want to say crackhead energy, because I don't know if he had crack. I don't think he was. I think he just unfortunately had mental health issues. But this man pushed this disco at like 20 miles an hour. He got us like into, I mean, I was waiting for him to push us up the ramp. It was like incredible strength. I was like, Julio, you saved me. Like, thank you so much. And he was like, yeah, I was just like, I saw you break down. I came running out to help you. I'm like, this dude's the best. And like Ernie was the same way. Remember those dudes were trying to break into the shop? And he stopped them. Because we, because we used to always, you guys used to call me the vagrant whisper. Do you remember that? Because I would talk to all the vagrants. I think you named yourself that and we just. I thought it was someone else, but whatever. I'll take it. Do you remember the other dude, the white dude who? The bike. He had the bike with the trailer. Yeah. And he showed up with the shot. And he was arrested and leave his stuff at our shop. Well, he would get arrested so that he could spend the winter in getting three, three hots in a cot in the warm weather. And then he would get out like later in the year and he would come and leave his bike. And the police would show up and they would like, like his, his Brian Scott over here. And I always thought I'd be in trouble. And then it would just be like, we've got this guy's bike. He said, you can, he can leave it here. Do you remember? Because that was before we had the bakery. So we put it in there and remember like, we didn't open the door for like six months. We had no air conditioning. We opened the door and it was just the worst funky smell ever. So that guy. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, the Vegas. They make it to the best part. Yeah. No, I ran into Julio outside my shop and I couldn't believe it. And I was just like, you know, I, I was like, you need anything? I got drinks, whatever. And I gave him some stuff and, but it was just, I don't know. There was another guy who actually I saw. Do you remember the dude who used to hang out at the gas station on, he used to hang out at the gas station on seventh and Magnolia. Did you ever go there? And he would always wash your windows for you. Hmm. But he was really, really, really, really nice. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yes. I know exactly what guy. I ran into him. I ran into him like, I don't know, maybe like six months ago at another gas station on another side of Long Beach. And I saw him and I was like, I kind of looked at him and he looked at me and he's like, where's the Porsche? I was like, oh man, it's you. I actually went and bought him lunch. Yeah. Because I was just like, I was just chatting him up. I was like, how are you doing? Like, what's going on? Like, he was always an interesting story for me because he seemed like all there and always was like kind of well put together and like seemed clean. And I hate to say that, but a lot of the other guys who lived by the river didn't ever seem clean. Yeah. But like, and I could never tell like, are you just hanging out? Like, do you just like being in the gas station? And they're like, what's going on? But I was just talking to him. And it was, yeah. Anyway, this story time interruption brought to you by our good friends at FCP Euro. So I have an affliction. I like really unreliable European cars. It almost seems the more unreliable it is, the more I lost after it. So of course the car I'm talking about right now is my 2002 D2 SE. This is probably one of the most unreliable cars Audi's ever built, but it is so magnificent during its fleeting moments of reliability. Luckily, a lot of the things you need for this car, I can get FCP Euro. Let me tell you a little story. It's been running great. It's been just fantastic, aside from all the lights on the dash, but it's been great. Then I opened the door and there was this smell. It smelled like a gym bag and it shouldn't smell like a gym bag. That car actually smells pretty good, real leather, but it smelled horrible. And I realized all that rain we got, it definitely flooded. And when I say flooded, it not the normal kind of flooding. This is like water coming out of the air vents level flooding. And that also means water going into the fuse panel, which meant that a few relays might have shorted, as well as a bunch of other things that got corroded. Hit up FCP Euro, had them out to me in a day. This is what's great about them. They enable really bad decisions with European cars. I mean, they are like class one enabler, because if I couldn't get those parts as quickly as I do, I don't think any of my cars would run. Maybe some of the old Fords. Anyway, FCP Euro, thank you very much. And if you have similar habits, maybe you too should try fcpuro.com. So anyway, back to the business side of things. How's all that going? What's it like to have? Oh, right. What's it like to have? Wow, that was a gnarly tangent. Yeah, we tangent. Like, I mean, it's kind of expected with the two of us. So what is it like to now be in a position where daily you want to text me? I'm sorry. Like, what does that feel like? You know, because I got to see that moment. We were at LC Fest and I got to see you being boss man and seeing like you dealing with everybody. And I have not had that level of joy outside of maybe the birth of my son. Yeah. Wow. And like a few of my cars started up there in a long time where I just got to sit there and I got to watch you have that moment. And I remember Ken used to whenever I would I would be talking to him. I'd be like, I had that long sigh and he'd be like, you know, when I met you, you didn't have that sigh. He's like, you developed that sigh and he enjoyed it because he remembers those days at DC. And you know, he was removed from the day to day. He didn't have to deal with the day to day bullshit. And now I get to watch you do it. And I used to look at Ken and be like, what kind of fucking mean asshole are you that you enjoy the demise of my soul? You know, like my soul is leaking out of me. You know, and now I get to see it happen to you. And I understand it from Ken. You want to know what's what's actually hilarious about this story is I remember that there would be days where I'm like, fuck, man, fuck Brian. Like, why is he this way? Why does he act like this? Why does he do this stuff? And then I spent a weekend with you and Ken. And then I was like, and then I was like, oh, he does it to him. And then he does it to me. Shit downstream, my friend. Shit downstream. I remember having that realization. I was like, oh, it's literally just the trickle down. This is, you know, some business class will teach me this, I think, you know. It's trickle down economics, kid. I remember having that realization. And then I saw everything a little different. You know, I was like, I handled things a little differently. But I mean, if I had to apply anything from my time at Hooning into what I'm doing now, I don't know how Ken was when it came to just like setting goals and dreaming big. And I just wanted to hit a home run every time or whatever, you know. But I liked the natural progression that Hooning had, from the Santa Fe days that no one really ever saw. And the grunt work we had to do then, that led to the Dona Garage. And then the grunt work we had to do there that led to just becoming the YouTube channel and the legacy name that we did. Because like, I mean, no matter what anyone says, no matter what anyone says or how they felt about the brand, like we are stamped. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That sensor bar logo absolutely stamped. Yeah, there's an error for it. And so if, you know, any lesson that I try to apply is to like do the grunt work, I grind. Don't try to jump ahead with, you know, some home run idea. Because like, and I'm not against, you know, like, the jumps and like trying big things and stuff like that. But I also understand like going to these grassroots events and like being a part of the community, which is stuff I'm going to do anyway. And just like, just the natural progression and growth of our name and who we are in the space and building that trust with the community and stuff like that, that nothing at Hoonigan works without that. Yeah. Let me ask you, I'm going to say this, it's not a knock at you. You went from being like the young kid in drifting who was stoked that, you know, Chris Forsberg had a bird life sticker, a beard life sticker on his car, right? And like you were this young guy and now like you are an elder in the drift community. You're not the eldest, but you're there. You know what I'm saying? Like you're no longer one of the new jacks. And do you think about that much? Because like, look, there's like the old timers like Tanner Faust and like, you know, even before that, Tony Angelo, Chris Forsberg, like some of the OG OGs for American drifting. But like when I was at LZ Fest, I couldn't help but think like, man, there's so many like new young kids. Like I don't even really think of them as part of drifting, but they are. But like, I don't think about it because I'm still stuck in an era where like you were part of the new generation of drifting and like now you're old. Yeah. I mean, my story, that's crazy. Nice slip in there. Nice slip in there. But you're an elder and I mean that I 100% All jokes aside, you are a veteran. I 100% accept. Now. And it's like, it's a different position for where you are. I do accept that and I do see it. I am aware of it, right? Because like when I started, I was, you know, young shithead, FCRX7, slammed, KF's, BN, V8, half of grassroots drifting hated V8s. And I was like, well, fuck you guys. This is cool. You know, you had a, you had a Steve Austin zip tie to your intake. Like it was still there. Yeah. But, you know, I lived through that and it was fun to be a part of that. And like, and, you know, try to help bring grassroots to another level and all that stuff. And like, I'm definitely fully self aware that one, I'm not that guy anymore. And two, I am an elder. There are 15 year olds drifting coming up to me. I've been watching you since I was eight years old. And I'm just like, oh, shit. You know, it's like, hey, that's cool. Don't tell anyone else that. And I was like, you know, it's crazy. But it's like, you know, I went from participating and fine about and like doing everything I can to, to, you know, drift with drifting animal style and go to find about and try to win. And now I'm very happy just judging it, you know, like I'm happy showing up and judging it and seeing cool cars and being a part of the community. And like, as I'm judging 150 cars or whatever it is, half the kids are in their early twenties, you know, and it's just like, wow, they're, I remember this moment. Like I remember the grind to get to this moment. And it's cool to see that still happening and all that jazz. But yeah, I'm fully aware. So here's a, here's a like, because I wonder, because I think about this a lot because as you kindly point out, like I'm, I'm pushing 50. Oh, yeah. So I'm pushing 50. The name of the podcast. That's a great name for a podcast. I'm just anyway. Yeah, I'm 45. So 50 is around the corner. God, that's scary to even think about. But, but like, I still actually have a hard time not thinking about myself as like the, the outsider underdog in the space. Like when I started at zero to 60, I was the New Yorker running a car mag in New York. I was in part of like the, the automotive elite. And then even like when we started to tune again, you know, there was all this others, like we weren't Moto trend. And, and then all of a sudden one day we were on top and I didn't like it anymore. Like I enjoyed punching up, right? Like I enjoyed being the scrappy ones who were like trying to like, to, to set a name, the ones who were DIY because we had to be and, you know, like that punk rock element. Yeah. It went from why are they here to, oh, they're here. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I had like, I enjoy, or why are they not here? Right. You know, I think that's actually went from why are they here to why aren't they here? And then the expectation of us where like the first time we went and did power tour, the first time we went and did, you know, Baha, like, you know, all these different things where people are like, why, what are they doing here? You know, and then it became, you know, there's still to this day, I think about this all the time. It's one of the things I'm probably most proud of is that you could talk to guys in desert racing and the only people they know in drifting are people who are a part of it. Right. Like that was their lens and their vision into drifting. And they think it's cool because the attachment to like what we showed them, they weren't going to watch it on their own. They don't follow the same accounts we do. They were just at it for that. But I think now it's interesting because I personally have a hard time separating that. Like, I will talk to people and I'm not, you know, people will give me like a certain level of praise of like, oh man, everything, you know, this, that, and the other thing. It's like, I still don't think that way. Like I don't look at the body of work that we did. And when I don't think about it, like I just, I'm like, I just like making stuff and we did this thing. And it always felt, and you were there, we all, it always felt scrappy. There was like maybe a year or two that didn't feel scrappy where like, we were getting really good breakfast and lunch and all that. And that was probably the, not the best time actually. I think the scrappy era was when it was better. I think the question is, is like, how does that role feel different for you? Right? Like you went from being just hurt of beard life to then like, hurt of Hoonigan. And we're very much seen as like the sort of this big personality, right? Like no one's going to deny you were the outside of Ken, you were the biggest personality at Hoonigan, right? I would say it was you and then probably Vinny, right? And like, you know, you became so recognizable for that. And then you leave that. And now you're doing this other thing where like, you're kind of a little bit in the background of like T-Pain in some ways. And it's funny because I see that and it's like, man, there's so many similarities between like what I was dealing with with Ken. But then you also have this crew people, you have way more responsibility on all that kind of stuff. But there's also this element of like, yeah, you've been doing this for N plus years, 12, 15 years. Like Un Pros was so long ago, man. So long ago. It was a decade ago. A decade. Sometimes I watch it and I'm like, definitely can't make the show again. Oh, that one part. Don't watch that. Don't cancel. Definitely, definitely can't make that show. Wow. That one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, I mean, there's so much has changed. And that, that like whole thing with it's natural regression, right? Like how you say is like, Ken, me, Vin, whatever. None of us were, we were just having fun and the community built us without them were nothing without them taking our content and putting us on pedestals or whatever and we're nothing. And it's always interesting to me, people who were casually looking at Hoonigan, like maybe didn't watch the content, but saw the Instagram or whatever. And you know, it's like, they don't understand that Hoonigan was in half. Half was Ken. The other half was us. And like, you can ask this half of the community and they'll say no, Ken, and you'll ask this half of the community and say no to those guys, you know. So it's all just like a natural progression thing. And the same thing with pain, right? I feel great trying to put him in a position to thrive in the automotive space because just like I'm sure you experienced with Ken mega rich guy comes in can buy whatever he wants, do whatever he wants. People aren't going to take him seriously, you know. And so I am actually really enjoying telling the story and showing that this dude really loves this and wants to be a part of this and wants to do the grunt work to get to the, to be on your level and, you know, and earn your respect. So, so that's what you're seeing really, you know, because like, I mean, I've, like you said, we've done this so long and have made videos about ourselves and love a lot and this and that. And it's like, I just, I want to do this first. And then, and then, you know, we can start doing more together. Do you, do you enjoy a little bit of the feeling like maybe there is a lot of pressure on you anymore? Because like I got to live this, these two different lives at Hoonig and I got to live this life with Ken when I went and did the Jim Conest stuff and I was very much guy behind the guy. And then I got to live this life of like in the early days, I stayed behind and kind of let you guys ride. And then eventually, like, it's really all your fault. Because I, I think about it, like Car Cane, the Car Cane intervention episode that you and like Vinny thought up, like you really kind of pushed on that. Like that, I think cracked an audience for me where people were like, oh, I get this guy now. Where like before, I think my character was like, he's the boss, like what's going on with him. Like he's kind of an asshole because I just had like a New York, you know, sense of humor. You just popped in. People, yeah, I just popped in and just ripped you guys and was whatever. And then like, I think that kind of brought me out. But then all of a sudden, like it was these two worlds. One was, I'm sitting there making content, I'm thinking about like this character of who I am. Not that that's not who I am, but like, you know, you lean into your, your stereotype and your character elements, like, although I do own 25 cars and only have fun. But, and maybe I just bought into that a little bit more. But it's interesting now because like, I, is it weird for you to, and then I don't mean weird as a negative thing. But is it weird for you to go to an event and, you know, in some ways kind of like have T pain take front and center? Or is it also kind of nice? Like, does it relieve a little bit from you? Cause I, I, and I don't know how much you want to talk about this, but I know that fame has been a very double edged sword for you. And you and I used to joke about us that we were coach class famous, which meant that even though we were famous, we still had to fly coach everywhere. Dude, it's, it's like, I, I hate, I hate like when people say you're famous and like you're a celebrity and this and that, cause like we're not, we genuinely are not. Do we have fans? Sure. And do they recognize us? Sure. And, you know, it, you know, I always tell, cause people will come up and ask for a picture or whatever it is, or just want to talk and they always apologize. And I'm like, Hey, without you, I don't have any of this. Like don't apologize. You know, it's, it's no big deal. But at the same time, there's always a lingering feeling like I'm at Disney with my family and I'm taking pictures and I don't, I don't make enough money. Yeah, no, I get it. I don't make enough money to be this recognizable. You know what I mean? It's like, so that, that part was always weird. That part was definitely always weird. But when it comes to events and like T-Pain, it's, it's, he's a different level. And the closest I can get to that is like spending time with Sung Kang, where like, I am in Manchester when we were out there for, you know, for the episode with you on Hot Wheels. And I'm like, I'm out in town, like outside of a restaurant and every single person who walks by recognizes it. Like it is like he cannot, he cannot exist in the real world, which is, which is a different level of crazy. It is actually crazy. And like, I don't feel any, any pressure or anything, right? It's, it's like, I know what to expect when I come to events. I know the same amount of people are going to come and say hi. Like, you know, in terms of celebrity, we dealt with like Ken celebrity, which really seemed big to us at the time. But like T-Pain, I'll never forget, sorry to interrupt you. I gotta interrupt you. I'll never, You're going to talk about the in and out one, the in and out moment. No, that's hilarious. When they walked past Ken to get your autograph, I thought Ken's insides were going to fall out of him. Please stop. Please stop. That was crazy for sure. That was like early shit car days where like we were first getting some traction. But also Ken without a hat, he, yeah, you know, he's in car. He was hiding. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they asked him for, he pulled out a marker. I gotta, I gotta tell the story. I gotta tell the story. I got it. This kid was working the, the drive-through line. He was the guy asking you at in and out what you wanted. He ran from the line over and came up to us and said, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I just really want to get an autograph and Ken pulled out a marker, pulled out a Sharpie and he said, thanks. And he took the marker from Ken and handed it to her and asked her for an autograph. It was fantastic. It was a fantastic moment. It was a fantastic moment because I, because one, it was a humbling that I think Ken was not expecting at the moment, but it was also, it was real proof to Ken the thing we were doing on YouTube matter. And it was the first moment to go, there's views. There's all of this, but like this is something we, we didn't understand. This is off the internet. Yeah. And you know, you're right. He wasn't wearing his hat. So maybe they didn't. So maybe. So what was the other moment? WRC, Mexico, 2013. Wild. Pandemonium. Like Ken's celebrity there was insane. All I remember is family throwing their kid over the fence to send to Ken to get an autograph because he wasn't doing autographs. So they threw their kid over the railing. When we say kid like four year old. Yeah. No, a toddler, a little baby. They threw the kid over with stuff for Ken to sign. And Ken signed it, you know, but it was just like, that's, well, they used to bring in like the riot police to hold the crowd back as they would push so hard to get autographs. Yeah. So that, that was a gnarly, uh, witnessing of celebrity. And like, obviously T-Pain has been T-Pain for, for, well, and the closest I've gotten to that is Spangtai with Sun Kang, where like, no matter where he goes, it's like he is recognized. Yeah. Either they know exactly who he is or they have to ask him who he is. Yeah. They could feel, they can feel it. They feel like this guy is somebody and it happens whether we're at a restaurant in an airport. Like, and like, that's just a whole different level of celebrity. Yeah. It's cool. Like I said about, We're like, we're like famous adjacent. Like we're not really famous because it's weird when people say that to me. I don't think of myself as famous. I'm recognizable to a group of nerds who are no better than me. Like I, my, my fan base is as important as I am. We like the same I think the best way to run more than my dad. That's all. I think the best way to put it is people intentionally know T-Pain, Sun Kang, Ken Block. They accidentally know us. That's amazing. Yeah. They accidentally, they accidentally saw a video with you in it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, but it's like, like I was saying about pain. We're algorithmically famous. Right. It's not because of us. Yeah. We got served. He didn't look for me. Yeah. You got served us. Yeah. They're like, we're, you're not really a fan. You're not a fan of us. You are. We sued you with your view. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're actually a victim. We have a bunch of victims. You have been victimized by the algorithm and because of that, you know me and her. It's, it's nuts, man. Cause yeah, those guys are all super famous. And that, that, you know, I don't think you were there when we met pain at the, the burn yard. I was there when pain was there, but I was super busy and I was like running past. I didn't really get a chance to chat with them. So, you know, Danny Neville brings pain to the burn yard. Danny Neville's a, you know, he's a driver, but also a famous DJ in the UAE worldwide actually, but super cool dude. And yeah, we'd cross paths when Rob and I went to, to Abu Dhabi with Sultan and Sultan inches. It was just to him. And then fast forward, he hits me up. Hey, I'm with pain. He wants to do some stuff. Come on by. And uh, when pain met me, he was excited to meet me. That's a trip. It was crazy. I was like, is this, you know, like, I, I sometimes I start to think I'm fabricating the story, but like, I remember it works. You know, he was a little bit together. He was super excited to meet me. He called his wife. I'm with her a lot of like this. Like he was excited, you know, and I was like, what, what is this life? What are we doing to where this guy knows who I am and where I was him for Halloween many years ago. Right. So, you know, that you wish you looked a little bit less like him. I don't think I look anything like him. You know, I'm just saying that. Cause I know you could. Yeah. No. So that, that's where this, this story is going to lead into, right? So it's like, um, working with pain has been amazing. And he puts me on a pedestal and Mike, he, his favorite story is funny that you said that about Ken, but his favorite story to tell is like, hurts the only person that someone's handed me the camera to take a picture for, you know what I mean? And that's just, it's crazy. So it's like, he actually puts me on a higher level than him at automotive events. You know, he's like in the out of space, you're the guy. Cause he feels that you, and you do, you have more authenticity than he does in the space. I mean, he's new, you know, ish. Of course. Of course. Like in the direct space, he's been, he's had cars like can't have cars, you know, a lot of a lot, but we shot him for rides magazine. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I don't feel any pressure. I don't feel any type of way. I just wish people would pay more attention to because like I do have, uh, you know, a pretty awesome group of supporters that come and see me at events and stuff like that. But if they, if pains people know he's at an event, but don't see him, I'm pain. You know, like I, I, uh, at grid life, not too long ago, I did a meet and greet and 30% of the line thought I was pain. Just tell me what song they love. Yeah. No, seriously. Cause I don't, you know, when you meet people, it's just a casual conversation. Oh, I love what you do. Thank you so much. That's awesome. Uh, my dad loves, I'm in love with a stripper. Yeah. Look, look at it this way. At least they confuse you for pain. I get confused for Vinny. Like it doesn't even make sense. Oh, that's, that's, people will just be like, yo, like what's up with the, whatever. I'll be like, wait, you think I'm Vinny? Like I get an interchangeable white dudes with beards. Yeah, but you're not like the way that I take it is you're not actually a fan of this person. You know, yeah. It's the adjacency. Yeah. You, you don't actually care about this person. If you think I'm him or you're Vin, like it's very clear. Do you think the fan word is a weird word for us? I don't like saying fan. I don't like it either. Yeah. And it's weird because we used to call it like viewers or the audience. I was, it was always a weird thing in Hoonigan. Like I never wanted to say fans and I, or followers, like followers sounds even more cultish, although I will admit, I think maybe like, I think I still think a cult is in my future. Like I feel like I could pull that off. I mean, you did. Yeah. I think a cult is still, I think I could still do that. Hoonigan is a fucking cult, bro. It was for, it certainly, it certainly was. Hey, I mean, not to, like you, you, you could have talked us through the shittiest points in life. Like you, you did a great job leading. I'll admit now, I was talking myself through it and you guys were just hearing me talking out loud. We eventually caught on and that's when things started getting weird. You're like, yo, he's not even talking to us. He's actually talking to himself. We should leave. Yeah. Yeah. There was, you know, there, it's, you could for sure have a cult. Yeah, for sure. Good. Thanks. I appreciate it. I want to work on it. I want to work on it. I feel like it's, I feel like it's the next chapter. Yeah. I think, I think that's where I go next. It starts with your Patreon people. Yeah. Yeah. The cult, the cult, I don't even know what that cult is, but it'll be interesting. So, um, no man, I'm, I'm, I'm stoked to see what you guys are doing and like kind of putting together. It's, um, you know, I, again, it's, it's so interesting to me because I feel like in some ways like your, your next chapter feels like the chapter I just went through and it's cool that you've got someone like pain who gives you that confidence. There's a quick little like Ken story I want to tell, which I, when Ken did this to me, I realized how important it was. We would walk into meetings and this was early on and we'd walk into a meeting and the meeting would start and like, you know, it'd be like Ford executives. So you have like the top people at Ford there, you know, it's like early on, there's like six or seven people in the room or Castro or whoever, you know, whatever, whatever tire company Pirelli and we would start the meeting and he would like, like interrupt everyone and be like, Oh, hold on one second. Cause everyone would like, would like just glaze, like they would just like gloss right over me. Like, Oh, I'm like his bag boy, right? Like who's the guy who's with them or I'm the friend or I'm the agent or whatever. And Ken would just pedal stow, like just completely pedestal me. He would just be like, this dude is everything. Like I listened to him about it. Like he basically would put me in a place where it's like, like, this is the guy and like you need to like, you need to understand that like what he says goes so on, so on. And later on, like I asked him once, I was like, you know, what's your, what's your strategy there? And he was like, I don't want to have to deal with these people. He's like, and they're never going to believe that like, I don't have a say unless I just tell them that like you have to say, he's like, cause I don't want to have to be in the meeting. I don't want them to second guess you. Like you and I can have our own internal conversations and our own internal arguments, but to the outside world, your say is everything. Like if you tell Ford, we're not doing it, they don't need to come talk to me. Like that's it. Like you have that thing. And at the time, especially like at my age, cause I was, I don't know, 31, 32 at the time, like it felt like such a massive power to have that. And like, I think about like that simple thing that he did was such a, such a setup for me to like take a confidence of like, all right, this dude's putting me on, like he's the one who's vouching for me in front of all these people to kind of go do that. And, you know, I look back at it now, it's like, it gave me, it gave me a confidence that allowed me to do things that most, I probably previously I wouldn't have tried to do, cause I would have thought I would have failed, but he was just like, you got this, you got this, you can figure it out. And I, you know, and I, I know Ken was that way with you too, where it's like, I don't know, figure it out. I mean, I still don't think you know how to use a camera, but she got some of the best shots ever in Chumkana. I don't know how you figured it out. Let's say that to you. That's gonna make people hate me. No, it's because, and I, I love it so much because I'm not a technical, I'm not a person who loves the tech side of cameras. You, and then this sounds like corny filmmaker shit, but like you understand the emotion of a camera, which a lot of people don't, a lot of people can sit there and they can talk to you about shutters and they can talk to you about, you know, why you want to run this with this aspect ratio and this frames per second and why this vignettes and what Anamorphic does. And you're like, I don't know any of that. But then I'm just like, cool story. Yeah. And you just get the shot. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I mean, and like, there's something there that just works. You can't really, you can't really teach that. But, and I always told you that because I knew that you, as we grew up, there were more and more camera guys who knew way more than you. But I was like, you still always have a camera on set because like you understood that in a certain way. I love filming. I love filming automotive stuff. Totally tangent off there. Yeah, I don't know. I don't even remember. I just run it. I love filming and I love filming automotive stuff. But I also think being around the nerds like well, Rogi and those guys who absolutely like let each sleep, breathe, filmmaking, you know, I think just being around them helped me a lot too. It was like, I may have not fully understood how the thing worked, but they definitely, you know, gave me an understanding of it. But yeah, I just, I love being in the mode, catching the action. So I had to run it back one time just for the feels. Yeah, come on out. Or you could bring me out. I'll come off on one of your sets. So what's sort of what's sort of next for you guys? Like, where does everything with Nappy Boy go? Like, what are your goals? Like you said before, you know, you never really fully understood what the Hoonigan goals were, which is weird. But for me, because I'm thinking, man, maybe I wasn't that clear about that kind of stuff. Because I think our goals were like weekly. Yeah, I knew what our goals were as a brand, but I didn't know what the goal was as the company. Right. If that makes sense. You know, so like, I really did either, but for sure. But like I said, I was just heads down and support, like whatever, whatever Brian wants to do, we're doing like that's just how I operated, you know, it's just, you know, I was, I was, I always, I always tell myself, it's like, I was, what's the word that I use? Um, blindly loyal, you know, I didn't look, I didn't, I didn't look outside of the scope. I just was like, Brian wants to do this. He says this, let's do it. You know what I mean? And you know, there's ups and downs to that. Yeah, for sure. For sure. It's also the, it's basically the definition of a cult. So maybe that was already my chapter. I already told you, you had a cult. I was talking about Hoonigan. I don't know if you picked up on that, but uh. So are you saying that the people who worked at Hoonigan were the cult or the, or the, or the viewership fan base was a cult? The people, you were the cult leader. Nobody, no one creates Hoonigan if it's not you. Like no one gets what you got out of these people. If it's not you, I don't know if you understand that. I don't know if you understand that, but you have the gift of gab. You fucking, you talked your way through so much shit and made us believe no matter what everything was this and that, and we did it. And you went through, so you went through different generations of it. Like, and I, you know, this is maybe two personal conversation for us to have on a podcast, but whatever, we're over an hour in at this point, no one's listening anymore. Um, you know, you went through me trying to figure out how to be a leader in that world. Cause I remember like in the beginning, like I would lose my temp, like I would lose my like cool. I would be yelling and screaming. By the end, I wasn't that person anymore. Like I came out this other end of it and became way more calm. Well, it's funny cause people like round would come to me and be like, who's this? Who's this version? When did you guys get this update? Because I'd be mellow. Yeah. Cause he remembers zero 60, which was even more like I was in zero to 60. I was a movie character. Like I was throwing shit yelling screaming. I once threw a chair to like almost through the window. Like I was full on like a bad movie of like, you know, a guy who wasn't really like not didn't know how to be in charge. And then by the end, I kind of calmed down. I actually calmed me down a bunch. She definitely shout out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, but yeah, that was like, you definitely went through all those, those different phases of it. So all to make you just better at your job now. So answer the goal question. What are, what are your guys? Um, I mean, so I mean, just how you said, you know, you operated, we all operated spazzy because like the goalpost moved a lot. Right. So, you know, currently, uh, I think main focus now that we've done a nice run up touring is just starting to build up a solid YouTube rapport, you know, so it's like we've done the event coverage, but now I want to, you know, I want to make some shows, you know, I, I think there's, I think pain and I have an undeniable chemistry. Yep. Um, and I think there's a couple different show options we can do. Um, I want to make him super uncomfortable. You know, he can afford private jets. I want him to drive a shitty car across country. You know what I mean? Like, bro, I've been looking for limos for him. We have to. Oh, sick. Yeah. Yeah. We have to. Nice. It sucks. I realized on that dinner when we started talking about like weird limos, I was like, oh shit, pain and I have more in common than I thought. Everyone listening to this, I said, I texted this to Scott, oh, I said, you meeting pain is the worst thing to ever happen to me. This is the worst thing to ever happen to me because, because pain has a lot of wild ideas and, and obviously the money to fuel them. And, uh, I feel like it's funny because, you know, he tells me just money doesn't matter. Spend the money and I'm, I'm a very, I like to, you know, no, I'm going to do it, you know, I want to do it this way. Well, who niggin, we were very aware of the money because there wasn't as much. Yeah. Right. And, and I don't want to, you know, I'm not just trying to spend money, you know, unless there's a great idea behind it that we need to, you know, build or whatever. But, um, Scott, I was definitely not, not somebody I need. Yeah. I don't, I don't need it. But the goal, the goal is currently it's like, you know, we're not, when the industry is, is not that different no matter where you look. Right. You know, we have ourselves as the brand entities. Um, we sell merch, we go to events, we make YouTube videos and things like that. But I mean, the goal definitely is to one, I think build a really fun event series, you know, where we hop around and have some really cool events. And then just build some really cool YouTube shows that revolve around one, our chemistry, but also bringing in old friends, new friends and things like that. So how was the event you guys did up in the Milwaukee area? You guys did the Wisconsin? Yeah. Um, Wisconsin State Fear. So that was basically every year, Payne has done a Wisconsin Fest, which is his music festival that he has at the Raven Milwaukee. Um, and I mean, I think it's four years now and it's sold out all four years. And we decided, Oh, let's open it up with an event, you know, so that was our third event that we, what is his connection to that? What, what's the background there for him? Um, the song, uh, okay, that's yeah. Yeah. So, so he had the song and then he started having a festival there. Uh, and it went crazy. They gave him a, an official T-Pain. They, they're there and everything. And so it's just a relationship that they built. Um, and so that's definitely going to be the home of it all the time, you know? So now we're trying to add a drift event element to it or just an automotive event in general. I'd love for it to be more than just drifting. Um, cause I don't, I don't want us to just be a drifting company, you know, this pain, like, I know he likes cars and I know he likes super cars and stuff like that, but is he, is he interested in more things on the motorsports side than drifting or does he just really kind of stick to drifting? No, he's definitely interested in, and doing more. I think we both are, you know, he's getting drifting down. He's feeling good there, but I think, I think where the fun really starts for us is when we are on the same, playing same level and a new sport, you know? So like when we go to rally school together, the competition between us, that's a show right there. Yeah. You know, so when we go to rally school together and the competition between us, or we go to grip school or whatever it is, like we're on the same level. So it's like a buddy, buddy, you know, competition show, learning how to do all this stuff. And I think that's really going to change the landscape for us is when we're not showing what we're already good at, where you get to see us grow into either being not really good at something or, you know, finding a new passion. Do you remember going to Glamis, Miu and Vinny, and like we were jumping stuff and you were like, I don't know how to jump things. And you're like, well, like we grew up riding BMX and even though we had never done that in UTVs, the concept of jumping something was there. And you're like, I'm just going to do donuts and then you're rolling. I think I probably can find the picture of Send it over. Yeah, I could probably find the picture of it rolled over. I think I have a video of me doing donuts. And you were just laughing hysterically. Yeah, I have a video for sure of me doing donuts with cacao in the can. Remember when I flipped that on the intersection? The day we got it. Do you remember Brad rolled the four-seater right after we put the carbon roof on it, bringing it into the shop? Basically off the dock or whatever. Yeah. Oh, Bradley. That dude, do you remember Travis Clark, the agent? Yeah. He rolled it on the set. Like I was like, hey, can you move that? Yeah. He got in it and rolled it from a standstill. Yeah. I had never seen that before. And he has like, he like raised Baja. Yeah. Yeah. I've wrote Scary Man. Do you remember me riding with Jason Ellis? Jason Ellis is a man. He's psyched. I'm sorry I made you do that. Yeah, that was terrifying. Yeah. He had so much joy. Yeah. Scaring you. Yeah. It wasn't driving. He was enjoying making you scared. I've never seen somebody. He was hard. He got fully erectile. I've never seen someone genuinely pull someone's soul out. And being like, yes, this is exactly what I wanted. That was a gnarly moment. Shout out to Jason too. I haven't seen him in a minute. He's doing all right. He's doing pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. But I spoke to him recently. So yeah, man. So for you guys, I'm interested in the event stuff because I think, you know, I like, that was always the next frontier. I always wanted to do more events. We obviously did burn yard and stuff, but we always wanted to kind of do something more. And I feel like, I feel like there's a bunch of great events out. I don't want to name anyone because I think a bunch of people are doing a really good job and stuff. But it seems like automotive events have oddly plateaued in an era when I don't think car culture has been more peak than it is right now. In terms of mainstream consumption of it. And there doesn't seem to be an event that really services that. I think grid life is the closest, but I still think like there's, there's so much room. And I think it takes someone like a T-Pain to bring that to it. Like, I don't think two people, like, I don't think, you know, John and James Rando's can just go and go make an event. I think like you guys have a unique space where you speak to one side of automotive, like he speaks to a side of pop culture that can bring that together. So to me, that's very interesting for you guys. That's exactly, you know, it's funny. I feel like we had this conversation internally too. It's like, because, you know, I go into meetings for our events and I'm just talking about the drivers, you know, I'm like, I know, you know, I want to make sure the drivers have a great experience and a lot of rest in that. And, and he's on the other end of it, the spectators and the overall entertainment aspect of the event. And we just, you know, work on blending those things. Total tangent, but we'll, we'll jump over to this. And by the way, we haven't actually gone to any of the things I wanted to ask you, but it's fun. It's good to catch up. It has been a while. Although people, you know, like, just, I asked the boys, I asked Vinny and Ron this question, do people often ask you about everybody else at Hoonigan? Like, oh, because I think everyone thinks we still don't talk. Like, everyone feels like, well, now that you're not on YouTube anymore, you clearly must not be friends. You must not chat. You must not talk anymore. And like Vinny was like, I talked to her like, once every other, like once a week, once every other week via texts, like you and I text. Like, I don't think, I don't think that people directly asked me like, oh, how's such and such or la la la. But it's often a, hey, loved Hoonigan, loved what you guys did, stoked to see you, etc. Like doing this stuff. Keeping up with all you guys is awesome. And I mean, I've signed a handful of drivers' error stuff. I get tagged in their stuff all the time. I'm like, it's not my company. Cool. I mean, dude, I mean, it's undeniable what Vin is doing. Like that dude is absolutely killing it. Yeah. Which is funny because he was the one in the last year who was like, I don't, when Hoonigan's over, I'm not going to be onscreen talent. I don't want to do this. I just want to do that. I just want to do biz development. Like I don't want to do this part. It's useless for my career. And then he's the one churning it every week. Yeah. He essentially didn't believe in himself. And some, some things made him see the light and he's an actual demon. You know, like he's done great. Obviously Jolly, Jolly's got a great vision and helps him with all that. So I think that that's been, no, I'm stoked to see everybody kind of going on and doing their, their new things and doing different stuff. It's like cool to see that. I know everybody's been begging for, for like a reunion of all of us. And maybe that's, maybe this is the drag race thing you set up. So I just want to get smoked. Y'all want to put some money on it? I don't have any money. I still don't have any money. Nothing. Nothing. Well, you trying to get rid of cars so you can put a car on it, bro. That's crazy. We can talk. I would love to take that from you. The Ferrari? No, that. Come on. Put off the hard. That's the only car at Race You Pink. How about my eight six for your eight six? I don't need that. I don't need that. I don't need that. The only car I'd ever race you for pink since your Porsche. That's the only one. Car versus car, but like what car would you race me in? It's got to be seven. I'd make a fair. F.R.X. seven. How much power does that make? 400. Yeah. Ways like 2600. I could race you in the FD. I'd put pinks on that. What's in the FD these days? Just a two rotor, a little two rotor, 1.3 liter, nothing crazy. Me and Race You Pink. So we could race. That's like, I always tell people like if that car is for sale, check on me because something bad happened in my life. Like that's a forever. Because even though it's worth a ton, I didn't buy it for a ton. So like it still just feels like it's worth it. What is that worth now? I don't even want to say out loud. Like 300? I thought 250 and then I started talking to some people and it's definitely north of 350. Yeah. Like I've actually had people offer me more than that and I delete the DMs because like I just don't want it to be real because like it's dumb for me not to sell it. Like that is that type of money right now would pay off mortgages, do all that. So like, yeah, hoping my wife's not listening to so. But anyway, yeah. So no, I think event, I think an event thing would be super rad. Yeah. As far as goals go, I think that's a big thing for us is definitely having events. It never was really in my spectrum to want to throw events. That's a pain thing. But after now doing three events, I see it and I feel it too. You know, it definitely feels fulfilling putting on something that one you're proud of to that people go home and tell people I went to this thing, you didn't go, you're stupid for not going, you know, that type of stuff. So let me let me ask you a question on drifting and I'm curious because I will and I have this conversation all the time. I feel, I am an, I feel like an outsider in drifting. It's never was my hobby, but because I was so involved in it from the business side and the content side of Hoonigan and so connected with all you guys, like I have a very intimate knowledge of it. I know, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know all the nuance and all the whatever, but like it was never my, it wasn't my passion, the way it was for all of you guys, but that didn't make that always, that didn't stop me from wanting to improve it, change the way that it was talked about, you know, do all these different things. But you and Will feels different to that. Will's like, you've been in this for so long that you're basically a part of it. Like you created pathways for it, even if you weren't there as a driver, like you still saw this in a different, you know, in a different way. But this is, I can't, I have to be careful because I'm on under NDA, but you know about the project I'm working on and there's a conversation around a drift course in it. And I brought up the idea of adding a bunch of like elements to it, like how we would in Jim Connick grid. And I think that there's this conversation of like, well, that's not done in drifting. And meaning like, you know, like in Jim Connick grid, we'd have like, you know, a plane like Hong that you slide underneath or like something you would hit that would like hit a dunk tank and do all of that. Do you think there's a place for that in drifting or do you think that that moves too far from what the OG kind of like to get drift was and it becomes too gimmicky, but like, or do you think that there is a world for it? There's no one way of drifting, right? You got the toge rats, you got the track rats, you got the street guys, you know, like there's no one, you got the full just competition level yeah, pro-am comp guys, like there's no one version of drifting. It just kind of depends on, on, you know, what you're seeking there. So like a gimmick like that isn't, I don't think is a bad thing on the scope with the scope of the event in mind. Right. Right. So what's the scope of the event that allows you to do more if it's grassroots core, you know, just a purest style event. That's one thing. But if you're putting on a show for people, spectators or right, you know, viewers, whatever that those are elements that can make a mediocre drift event into an amazing drift event to the naked eye. Yeah. Cause like I agree. I 100% agree. As a driver, and this is what I'm learning, like blending my style and pain style into an event, like as a driver, I don't fucking care if there's a semi truck in the middle of the track that I have to go under, like it doesn't change the track for me. You know, I'm going to power through that section and just like I would if it wasn't there. You know what I mean? So, well, I think mad mic brought that first. Yeah. With your shifters. I thought that that was phenomenal. And I, when that drift was awesome, when that first came, I'm like, this is the future. And then it just didn't really catch on outside of what Mike did. And I don't know if people were either trying to copy what he was doing or the expense and the cost of adding it. That's what it is. That's what it is. Well, that's 100% what it is because like you talking about that element isn't necessarily going to sell more tickets to your event. You know what I mean? Like after they see it and you do it, it's the FOMO. When people are like, oh, that was crazy. They had Pyro. But the initial, the initial might not make or break your event. So it's just people not wanting to, you know, do the spin, drift events are expensive. Running a track and coordinate everything. Like you're, a lot of times you're lucky you break even. You know what I mean? So it's just like being in a position to do that and build it because you have to slum it out to get to that. You know, grid life doesn't start overnight. Grid life has been around for 15 years. Their events at Michigan now are a lot bigger than they were, you know, in the early days, you know, so. I sat down about six months ago and I took out a piece of paper and I just wrote like a list of things I want to do in my life. Right. And one of the reasons was, was after I left Super Plastic, I was in this like weird situation where like I had to make money instantly because I had like nothing left in savings after, after buying the farm. And I still had a mortgage on this and the farm. And you know, as you know, the whole thing went south and most of my money. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What are you talking about? So it was one of those like, I had to go make money and I go do that. And that meant that I had to like take, and I don't want to say work. I didn't want to work on because it was stuff I enjoyed doing, but it wasn't like my passion. Right. It was like consulting work and stuff like that. And I only try to work with the companies I like working with. You know, and same thing for this podcast, like my rule was like, I only want to work with partners that like, I actually know these people and I like them because I don't want to promote someone's brand. I don't know. We got into like in Hoonigan early days, we worked with brands we knew there was definitely an error where we were just like slinging stuff and like that sucked. It didn't feel good. Right. So you know, I wanted to do that, but I was sitting there thinking like, what are the things I want to do in life? Right. And like obviously like top of the list is like start a cult. Right. Like obviously start a cult, maybe another cult. Number two was another cult is the right. You already started number two was, was podcasting. I enjoyed you've always wanted to do this. We never did it. I mean, I did that one quick show. I did the one quick show that was on Spotify, right that I did with Ron Baugh. And it went one season, but like everyone called it Scottos Folly because like it just no one else wanted to do it. I wanted to do it. I enjoyed it. It was something I liked. I liked podcasts. It's what I, it's what I like. It's where you digest. Because I don't really have time for the visuals side of everything. I enjoy the audio, although video podcasting is where everything's moving. And I enjoy this. I enjoy the conversation. Like this is not, this is not performative for me. Like I'm enjoying the conversation with you right now. And we probably wouldn't have a chance to have this conversation otherwise. Right. So it's like podcast gives a reason for you. Yeah. It gives the reason. But so the podcast is one, but then the other two things that were on there. One was fix Hollywood. Not like the whole thing, but the automotive side of it. I think, I think car chases and everything in Hollywood are just absolute trash. I think they've really lost the plot of like what makes cars look good on camera. And that is something I want to go do. Obviously, I'm working out, working my way towards that. I'll tell you about another thing that's going on after this. But the other one of it is, is save motor sports. And I realize it's like, both of those are like really, really, really big concepts. And I'm being, I'm being kind of a bit, ridiculous. What? Sound awfully, awfully cultish. But please elaborate. I'm purposely being hyperbolic in the way that I say it, but like I, I can't help but look at motor sports and realize that they have, racing has an entertainment problem. Right. And I know when I say racing, I include drifting, I include everything, any kind of, of competition level vehicle. It's like, they have an entertainment problem. You know what doesn't have an entertainment problem? Supercross, Monster Jam, like these guys understand entertainment, like they get that right. I think F ones figuring it out a little bit more now and they're leaning into the storylines and the soap opera of it all. But I can't help but look at drifting and go where does drifting go next, right? Where does, where does, you know, where did some of these like forgotten, you know, spaces like Indie and like all these places, like how do they get a new audience when their audience dies? Like how do they bring in that new thing? And so much of it is like creating a platform where it's entertaining to go there, right. And, and it's, it's more about like, it really makes an experience feel, feel different. And I, it's something I think a lot about. I obviously haven't really kind of put it to action, but whether it's like talking to, you know, Cole and like he's got some stuff coming up, maybe I shouldn't talk about that because I'm probably under NDA. But like, but like, there's a bunch of stuff like that. And I think it's interesting because when I hear that your guys are going to do, you know, that type of thing, I'm like, man, you guys have that opportunity, like maybe you could hire me. Wouldn't that be a great change? Wouldn't that be a weird flip? You know, I would hire you for a day. Bro, that'd be so fun. I don't know if I could get that much revenge in in 24 hours. They're actually one of my favorite albums is Jawbreaker's 24 hour revenge therapy. I now understand what that means. I got 24 hours to get all of my revenge back. Oh, you think you're going to get the revenge? Oh, I'm getting the revenge. I thought you were talking about me. No, bro. No, no, no. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. Yo, when you're, it's, it's. I was a great employee. Is it time for a commercial break? There's no way you were a great friend. Sometimes you were a great employee, but you were, you were, you were a lot, you were a lot at times. You were a lot. We were a lot. We were all a lot. We were a group of a lot. We definitely were a lot. We were doing too much at sometimes. Yeah. So no, but anyway, jokes aside, like, I think you guys have the pieces it takes to make it happen because you need someone who has the weight of pain to go do it and someone like you who has, and I'm going to wrap this all around to what my original thing I want to make this podcast about and understanding of style to make it cool because I think that that is something that often gets lost. I'm not going to name other people in the celebrity world, but there's a lot of celebrities who've tried to do big car shows. And I just don't think that they land except for Rick Ross, like his, like the Rick Ross car show. Have you been? For, I haven't been. Did you go? What did you think of it in person? I don't want to talk about it. Oh, really? See, because online for like the Don community. Online, it looks nice. For the Don community and like for that, like community that's never really had a pinnacle event. It seems really, really cool. I don't think it's a bad car show, but I don't like for what he is, it should be, I think it should be more. They do a very good job than a packaging because to me it felt like hip-hop's goodwood festival speed. Yeah, no, it has a lot of potential for sure. It's a massive car show, but I think for what, who he is and how much money he has, I think it could be a lot different or should be a lot different. Well, then gives you guys a, that's not your lane. Yeah, that's not your lane, but I think, no matter what though, I think it's really good to look at other, help people do things in other spaces to say like, how does that translate over? Sure, 100%. Like how do you do a version of that for drifting? And I think like, dude, we, and track cars and like just our audience of people. We were in pace because like, you know, Wisconsin State Fair was a feeler. We got screwed by the original venue and we lost a month and a half to promote this event. And we didn't have another event locked in until a month and a half. So we couldn't plan what we were doing because we didn't know where we were doing it. So we didn't have a lot of time to really dial in that event, but we were planning an event at the end of October. You know, we put a hold on the track, we were figuring out the contract and all that stuff. And then the track calls us one day and tells us we can't have our event because they booked one the day before and the day after, even though we had our holds since January, you know, and we're figuring out actively talking to them about the contract. And they're just like, yeah, sorry, maybe try it next year. That sucks. Yeah. And it's just like, you know, and that one, we were, that was going to be our big nut. You know what I mean? Can I say that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can say whatever. It's his job to believe it. Yeah, yeah. So that, that one was going to be our big nut. And I was really excited to like really dive in and go in on all these things we're talking about what, you know, how to level up an auto motor sports event in general, you know, and just like from, you know, having a bit of a car. I'm not like, it's not that I don't care about car shows. I love car shows. I love walking around and looking at what people are doing, but there's also a lot of car shows going around, you know, so I'm not trying to create the vibe though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not trying to have just a standard car show though. You know, I'm trying, we're trying to elevate all the elements of, of a motor sports event and the venue pulled it out from under. So we're still going to plan, you know, and build what that looks like, but having the venue and the purpose, the date definitely gives it a lot more motive, you know, but I'm trying to create something like that on the small level. But I've been paying so much attention to like what everyone else is doing. Cause like nowadays, like cars and coffee is such a big thing that like why go to a car show? Like you just go to car, you go see a crazy car is the cars and coffee. So it's like, it has to offer you more. It has to be a real experience. It can't just be walking around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which unfortunately is what I thought was kind of a little bit what the Rick Ross show was again, for like the Donk community, but it's giving them a reason to build really cool stuff. Definitely not speaking down on the show and they're definitely some radical builds. Yeah. Guys building gnarly donks and, you know, and the brown sugar and Bobby Brown. I love to see, I love to see that car culture kind of bridge the gap into just automotive media. You know what I mean? Cause like donks and bubbles and that general culture has always had a hard time breaking the mold and like being seen. I watched that whole show on Beto's channel on the gas, which is great cause I watched their stuff and I'm like, that's cool. You guys kind of just like stole the Hoonigan five. Yeah. Like I like it. I like it. Like I, I, I, I, what? A couple of people who, I mean like we were so early in what we were doing. Yeah. I mean, you know, I, there are a bunch of people that we've brought on our show that are doing stuff, you know, because of, I said stole. I don't mean it that way. I mean, like they've, they've vamped it, you know, like they took a version of it, made their own. We were doing burn yard before Garrett Cleetus was doing Cleetus and cars. Do you remember what he said? I 100% remember. What did he say? What did he say? Say it. Cause I, cause, you know, maybe this is not for radum, but he looked us in the eyes and was like, I'm doing this. Yeah. When he was done with, cause he came to the event and that was when he had, he brought Leroy out, right? When I was like still new and, and at the end he was like, I'm going to do this idea, which was like so honest to him. I'm going to take this idea and now he has the biggest burn yard style show imaginable and he does it every month and it's nuts. Like he's built a fucking empire. That, that meant we missed an opportunity there. And that was, but that's because we were just different goals, dude. Like, if COVID didn't happen, I wonder though, cause we were going to ask you that question on here, seven burn yards in a row at Irwindale, cracking out 5,000 a pop, which like is pretty good for that. I actually was going to ask you, what do you think Hooning in is if a COVID doesn't happen? Cause like that was a momentum halt. That halted our momentum. We were, we were moving. Yeah. Like we were booking, but I also think there was an element of like, we were kind of being torn apart too. Like I think that there was so much work at the time that like it may have burned us out. I mean, that's, it might have been a, for sure. Okay. And that, that carries on the conversation that I was, you know, just right now with thinking about Cletus and, you know, his events and things like that. It's just like what Cletus is building and what he's doing, isn't what Hooning in was trying to build. No, it's, it's, they're separate. Like if we were a grassroots company and we, and the idea wasn't to sell and our ecosystem was us, I think we definitely could have, you know, done something like that, but that just wasn't our goal. I don't know. In the end, you realize like that wasn't, that wasn't the move, but this is going to, I don't know, this episode, I don't know, are we on track on this episode? Are we all over the place? Hey, we're good. My ride's going to be here in five minutes. Did you call that before? No, no, no. So no, it's like, did you like plan an escape? Cause like if so, you have matured and grown in a way that I am most proud that you have actually planned an extraction. I don't want to, you planned an extraction to get out of this podcast. You're going too far. Cause you know, I don't want to burst your bubble, but it's all Raquel. I don't know. Oh, she took care of it all. She got you planned. Yeah. Okay. All right. That's fair. That's fair. I appreciate you. She also knows me. I appreciate you giving me that. Yeah. She's like, they all, they just sit in there talking for hours. Okay. I want to hit you with a couple of last things because this is brought up. So you and I just chatted the whole time, but there's this other concept I have for another podcast I want to do called firing order, and it's basically creating lists of different things. I tested it in the first episode with Vinny and Ron and the question we had, I wanted to keep it something simple so we could get through it pretty quickly, but the question was, was what was the top three cars we ever built at Hooniga? So I have the final answer from them. So I can either ask you for your top three, and these are the company cars. So it's not personal cars and not can cars. Not can cars. Yeah. That's cause then it's easy. Then it's basically just Hoonicorn, Hoonatruck, Hoonapig is probably the top three. But no, so it's the cars we built. So like, you know, the rolls, the Camaro, Knucklebusters E36, SharkCard, like whatever, right? Top three cars. What's your list? They have to be in order. Yeah, you could give them to me and yeah, you could give them to me. However, I'm curious how close you are to what we debated about to land on. Okay. Okay. The Donk, Shitcar. See, what do we have? You said Sharkard, the... Sharkard, Scumbug, Rolls-Royce, Warthog, Lightning, 632 Camaro, the IndyCar thingy, the Ridgeline with the IndyCar, rear on it, Colmarro. I mean, there's a bunch of like lower level things like the C8 build or whatever. Those are kind of nothing, but like of the more major builds. Okay, so you got... Shitcar, Donk. It would have to be between... Narrow down, narrow down. It'd have to be between the IndyCar and the 632. I think. I'm not sure which one. Probably lean towards the 632 because we had more access to it. Right. Yeah, the thing that sucked up the IndyCar was that we weren't allowed to drive it. We had no access to it, but that was a gnarly build. Fuck, Warthog too though. But again, we didn't really... I mean, that was for somebody else essentially, right? Because we didn't keep it. Yeah, we just gave it to it. That was for Microsoft for it. Yeah. So Microsoft Halo. I guess I'll... I hate to pick two VA cars. That's all right. The 632 Camaro was really cool. Well, I actually realized something when we were doing this before I didn't bring it up, but Hoonigan never did a Japanese car build because all the personal builds, other than mine, everyone was building Japanese cars. So we didn't need to. We had to offset it with a lot of the American cars because internally we weren't really building American cars. Yeah. Like you, Vinny, Ron, Dan, you guys were all building Japanese cars. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, Donk, Shitcar, Camaro. Okay. It's hard not to pick Sharkard too. So if we're going lower, like Sharkard should be on there. You know what I mean? Like strictly lower. But... You gotta pick all the things. The quality of it, the lore of it, the fun of it. All right. You know what? All right then. I'm going to go one, two, three. Shitcar, one, Donk, two, Sharkard, three. Okay. So here's the list that we came up with. Rolls, number one. Donk, number two. Shitcar, number three. So two of the three you're on. Rolls wasn't on your list. You drove the living shit out of that thing in Atlantic City. Yeah. And you explode the transmission on that thing? The transmission broke every time it was driven. Yeah. Every time. It was a cool car. It just, it just, well it came pre-broke. It's not that it came pre-broke. I think at the era of that car, it didn't, I don't think it meant that much to the brand. I see what you're saying. Yeah. I don't think that meant more than the cars that I've listed to the brand. So I'll give you their individual list because we each, how we did it was everyone did their three and then we went through it. So Ron was Donk, Rolls, Indy. Right. Vin was 632 Camaro, Rolls, Shitcar. Mine was Donk, Sharkard, Scumbug. Because even though I think that Shitcar was more important to the brand as an identity, Sharkard served a longer span, was actually way more fun to drive. The amount of people who learned how to slide a car around, like, I think the first car, like I had done figure eights in with Sharkard. Like that was one of those vehicles that like everybody had fun driving it and it went from being a car we hated, which was the $200 Miata and actually made it kind of cool. So, and it also lived every single mechanic who ever worked at Hoonigan worked on it. So Darnall started the build, Dan took it from there and then Supi, like every, like it lived the life where like we, and we never ruined it. We've ruined Shitcar. Off-road Shitcar. Maui. I know. You were against it from day one. I know you were. I know. I should have put an asterisk on Shitcar that. No, no. Shitcar was fourth of July Shitcar. That was like ultimate peak. Yeah, that was, all right. Yeah, so I mean the lit, I guess, all right. So Donk and Shitcar are definitely, are definitely up on the list. I just think like Sharkard, Sharkard wasn't like good looking, but it was certainly fun. Shitcar, Shitcar is obviously lower. I mean, I feel like that car started a brand, like really started a brand with that car oddly, you know, it did a lot for us. If you looked at Hoonigan and you just talked about the story of Shitcar and Indy truck, I think like you could just talk about where we started, where we ended up and like maybe some of the mistakes made because if you think about it, Shitcar was a attainable $500 build that we made look stylish with very little money and everyone got to drive it. Like everyone drove it. If you came to the building, you got to drive it, including the Domino's delivery guy. Yeah. Wow. And the. Memories. And the Indy car, no one got to drive it except for a professional race car driver. Like that, that, if that doesn't say everything about where we started and where we ended. Yeah. I mean, things like the Indy car and the Rolls Royce, I think reflect where I was at Hoonigan and, you know, where I just was like, that had nothing to do with us. Supe had his gang and those boys did the thing and like we weren't really a part of it. It was crazy that they let us do it, but it definitely didn't have like the initial soul of like what we were doing. Yeah. To me, Donk was, I will be the first to say, it was this, it was like the emotional support project during the pandemic. It was the one time a week we all got to get together, like go deal with all that shit. And you know, the Donk, I think is cool. You know, obviously it's a Donk big blower out the, the sound of crazy, you know, the custom, those BB or Rotiform. Yeah. Yeah. But the whole idea of the Donk, I don't, no one on the main stage of automotive YouTube was building dogs. So it's like, not only was it cool, but like, you know, breaking that mold and educating people and, and watching you kind of lead a build and really be a part of the build too. You and I both learned to weld on that project too, which is cool. Yeah. We got welders, shout out. It's your podcast. I don't know. You can shout out Miller. I don't have a welding partner, but I still have Miller. Shout out Miller. Yeah. We got welders. We learned that. You still got a partnership with them? No. That was just a friendly thing. But, but that project, you know, that was a really good time. I thought we got to do some cool shit. Eventually got taken out of our hands, but like we, we got to do some stuff. And then obviously Sharkorn for the Lord, just how he said, it went through all the paces, which is kind of, and I mean, like the Kakao story with the thing and stuff like that. You got to get Kakao on here. If you have Kakao on here, can I be a co-guest? Yeah. You can come back for that. Next time you come back, we'll do that. Yeah. Planned. Kakao would be good. Yeah. I would love to be on a podcast with Kakao. That'd be hilarious. But, but the only thing is, is it has to be a video podcast because he won't reply. He'll just look at you because he won't talk. He'll just, he'll just give you that look and be like, he'll talk if I kiss him on the cheek. He does love that. Yeah. He does love that. Yeah. It's a good little, good little cheek kiss, you know? All right, dude. I really appreciate you coming in. I don't say I wish we had more time. I know, but you have to catch a flight and I ain't trying to catch the wrath of her. Kel, you knock at home. So, um, yeah. So anyway, thanks for coming by. Catching up. I mean, I, I, I was certain probably for like, we were just, just talking. It's like, not even a podcast. We'll run it back. I'm sure, I'm sure. I would love to have you come back on, is an episode of firing order. And one of the ones I want to do is the greatest wheels of all time. So like, obviously it's BBSR. S is who you're talking to. And then after that, wait, what do those look like again? They don't look like thrust, thrust masters or whatever. Thrust. No, thrust. What was it? Torque thrust. They don't look like torque thrusts. KS. Thrust masters. This guy's holding me. I'm down. So unimportant. I don't even remember. I think that's crazy. You, you know, when you're back, well, let's plan a day because I think we'll get everybody in here. We can do a couple of the, the, because, because I need your, um, I need your like just absolutely blatant, um, biases in, in a fight on wheels. Okay. Yeah. Cause I think that'll be a good, we'll do, we'll do the best wheels of all time. Yeah. So thank you, sir. Appreciate it all. Good to see you, man. And a big thanks to our partners. Obviously Viper chairs, which I've been sitting on for the past two hours. Pretty mellow. Do you have any Viper chairs? Yeah, I do. They're great. I like Viper guys, man. Yeah. They're like, the team is really good and the quality of their stuff is great. And, uh, yeah, and they came on to support this, which is awesome. Uh, heat wave glasses. Uh, actually, I'll be honest. I mostly wear their safety glasses because I never really was a sunglass guy, but I like actually having safety glasses that don't look corny, which was like kind of nice because I'm on camera. I mean, you're always cutting stuff, brother, brother builders always. See, that's a side of a lot of people don't know the old brother builder days or just making stuff out of whatever. If he's not cutting, he's not happy. Yeah. And obviously a Cp Euro and, uh, my long time friends at Toyo tires. Thanks again. And, uh, yeah, check out the Patreon, all that good stuff. And thanks again, dude. Good to see you. So you probably know these guys best for their killer shop stools. 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