Vantage S Review; that Ford GT Lap; the Peril of Selling a Project

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Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S in partnership with Dream Giveaways. We're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. The proceeds benefit charity and you don't have to buy any merch. It's a straightforward entry process. So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. They had it. We just got it. We just walked into the store and bought it. Not only that, they had a lot. A bunch of rums. Yeah. They probably had 150 different rums. They had the Zafra 21. I didn't look, but they might. I found out my neighbor, whatever, dog neighbor, whatever, but he's really into rum and I started talking about it. I was like, it's $60 bottle of rum. It's way better than $500 bottle of bourbon. He's like, kind of. Yeah. In a way. Thank you. Yeah. I'm literally like, I'm so, I was just talking about doing a rum taste thing. I got one for myself as well, of course. And I had a little sipski last night. With a big rock? Fucking excellent. Yeah. For people listening, we drink this in BVI, plantaray, 20 year old rum and it was so smooth, but not sweet, aggressively smooth, like cheap rum. Can I just like open the box open? For sure. Yeah. To show the bottle, because the bottle's cool. So we did a rum tasting on Cooper Island, which I can't recommend highly enough. It was fabulous. Talked about it. And look at this. It's a bottle. It gives you that that pirate wrap that you need. It was probably like when you're like hucking bottles on a pirate ship, this gives you like extra grip. And it also, if they keep them from clinking together. And you could hang it from something maybe too, but god damn is this shit. It's really good. We're going to fuck this all up. Remember we went to Kentucky in 2013 and tasted Blanton's and then wouldn't shut up about how great Blanton's was and then we came for $300. So we should buy 10 of these, sit on them. I'll tell you what, I started, I sent an, I actually bought three bottles. One for you, one for me. And then I sent one to Big Rodge because Big Rodge actually likes rum. No way. Like he, he not like, he's never really fucked with it like this, but he'll like, if he gets a cocktail, it's a rum and coke or a dark and stormy. That's his cocktail. Yeah. And he has nice bourbons. And he knows about bourbon and whiskey. He likes it more. Yeah. But yeah, he doesn't really, I go to, I go to the South Carolina house every year, a couple of times a year. And there's never any whiskey drank from the last time I was there. So he'll have some when we're having some, but on his own, like no. So I sent him a bottle of this and be like, I think we need to get about this rum life because this is a different, this is for people, you know, I don't know, for people like us, this is uncharted territory. It is. But it's also more affordable territory than the rum, then the bourbon territory. I think if you poured this, I wish we hadn't talked about this, we could trick Johnny, pour this in some bottle and be like, this is a $4,000 bottle, a fan sent as a sample. And see why he did. I think you could tell that it's not. Yeah, it's not. I mean, it's, it's, it's, these very good rums are like bourbon in that they are oftentimes aged in bourbon barrels or aged in whiskey barrels or wine barrels. And so you end up with something that's like a, it's in the same family of, of flavor profiles, but like, it's not exactly. If you actually put whiskey next to this, you'd go, these are not. They go down the same freeway and they take slightly different flavor off France. Yeah. But one's in the carpool lane. Yeah. Oh yeah. Different metaphor. Bourbon gets a little spicy and has like a little more, you know, kind of alcohol at the back, I think. And these are just smoother. Yeah. And bourbon's a little more corn. And this is a little more vanilla. Yeah. Like bourbon, a good bourbon to me is like a, it's like breakfast almost, you know, what it's got a breakfast smell. The sweetness and corn syrup type syrup, be sort of thing. This is like very vanilla forward. But anyway, that is for you. Thank you. That's right. I'm glad I drove today. As soon as I walked to work and I would just be carrying. Walking down the street. I mean, listen, if you're walking down this street, carrying a bottle of booze, I'd look like Gareth Reynolds coming to your house for dinner, just showing up with bottles and bottles of peanut grocery bags. Oh my God. That's so funny. He walked really far with all that fucking alcohol. And then we did it, but we really did honor him by drinking it. Yeah. By the way, in a recent episode of the dollup, he fucking, they sort of shouted us out, but also talked shit while doing it. He basically like, yeah, he basically said like, cool, we got really drunk at his house and they sent us home in Waymo's, which was funny, but also there may be some ties to Epstein. Like that was what he said. That is unfair. It was pretty tough. It was uncalled for. I am not in those files. Pretty tough, Gareth. That was brutal. I forgot. I heard that. I was listening to the show and I was like, I should probably follow up on that. I think that's a, he just went for the easy, low hanging joke fruit. I was like, Epstein. I mean, look, I know I had, I know I've actually, I know I've personally hung out with three or four people that are in the Epstein file. That's true. But, but look, Gareth is technically from the UK, I think, born. Yes. So is Prince Andrew. Right. So I'm just saying, definitely related. There's some connections. The jeans don't lie. Right. Right. Sidney Sweeney said that. The, the, the, the, the marketing, right. Fuck. Hi. Hi, everybody. Smoking tire podcast. Bill Kerman. Cars. Allegedly. Allegedly cars. We have things. Oh man. There's things to talk about today. I actually found a lot of things to talk about today. So many things have happened since we did a show two days ago. First, I want to complain about something. Social media sucks my fucking asshole on April 2nd. Cause the algorithm is feeding you all these people's leftover April fools cause it's not timeline anymore. Your TL isn't your fucking TL. It's your AL. I don't know if you can do it on the desktop version of Instagram. Oh, can you not sort chronologically? Well, on Instagram, like you can, you have to go to the tap down and go to like following and then it's in order. But it's not the default. That's not on, and that's not on the desktop. Which is dumb. Because I get surf stuff from three weeks ago. Yeah. A lot. Yeah. Very annoying. And when you're on desktop particularly and I, for my sanity, I only keep Instagram on desktop. I don't have social media on my phone. It's better for you. Better. I don't want to say you. I don't want to project my own onto other people. It's better for me. Buy all of that. So anyway, Instagram definitely doesn't want you using Instagram on your fucking computer. They want you on a phone. So using Instagram in terms of like clunkiness, it's about 2013. What Instagram desktop is, but like, but yeah, but with algorithms. So yeah, that drives me nuts. Okay, so get this. There were some great, did you see some great April fools car content? I saw Z tuning that built Z one engineering that built that 400 Z I drove. They had one that was like the new titanium trumpet exhaust. That's sort of funny. And they I mean, they did, they did very good, like probably AI animation. Like it looked like hand welded for trumpets. That's pretty funny. Pipes. That was a really good one. I think I saw that in Cabo on the bunch of pickup trucks in about 2003. Yeah, you heard it for sure. Yeah, there's just some good stuff. Some of the aftermarket companies. Yeah, a couple did. And then I just, I'd, you know, I just zoned out for April 1st, but because I'm not fun. So I didn't really, I didn't get in. I don't get in like social media trends. I posted a picture of Finn like my cat. No, you know what I told you know what I posted was the picture, the memory of Carl, the day that Carl came to visit in LA, and we made matzo ball soup or he made matzo ball soup. And then we went to APL and fucking ate everything on the menu. And then he threatened to throw me off my own roof in Venice if I didn't buy the Coontosh. All of those things happened in one day. That was a good, that was there. Yeah, we went three up in a Vast and Vantage. And that was 2018. That's how long the Aston Martin Vantage has been out in its current iteration, current ish iteration. Wow. Cause this was the, this was the first press car. Matter of fact, this wasn't the first press car. The first press car was the white one that was the year before. This was the facelift. This was the sorry we've fixed the grill one. Cause the lights were too small in the beginning. Oh, that's right. The first one was 2016. The first one was 16 or 17 on drive. And that was a long time ago. Yeah. And then, and that one that was slower than it should have been. They're like, it has this much horsepower. You can go. Sure. Sure. AMG didn't fuck you. Okay. I can't believe you guys fit two people, three people in this car. Well, I mean, look, two of them were, you know, probably fucking. So they were, you know, on, but no, nonetheless, the fact that, and also for people, like for people listening, Carl is sitting on the woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the inverse. She's, well, she uh, shout out to Britain. She's great, but she's probably four inches taller than him. Okay. Yeah. She's like, she's like tall, like, you know, like, like, like, like a model. She's built like a, like a model and he's the, you know, he was like a little looking like a troll. Logistics fairness thing. And it wasn't in particular, we didn't do this all the way to Hollywood to APL. I picked him up at his hotel, Marina Del Rey. We went to the Ralph's in Marina Del Rey and then we went to my house in Venice. So it was a 10 minute drive. And then we took a fucking Uber to Hollywood. But, um, but this dude made, I posted the recipe on Patreon. The greatest matzah ball soup in the history of matzah ball soup, which I think I might make this weekend. I haven't made it in about a year, but we're due. We should you want to make matzah ball soup this weekend? It takes like fucking four hours. It uses every dish in the kitchen. It's so labor intensive. So there might go to town this weekend. So if it does, definitely, I can just sit there for five hours. Yeah. But so, so it made me, because I'm, we were driving the new vantage, the S and it made me, I was looking, I was like, ah, I remember when was it that me and Carl and went, had our day in the, in the VA advantage and it was 2018. So it's been, it's been like nine years as fucking things been on the market, which is like, you know, a slow gestation to perfection. Cause usually they'll tweak things then like GR, I know I've mentioned a lot, but I drove 24, 25, 26. The change from 24 to 25 was totally noticeable on a racetrack. Yeah. Big jump in one year. And the change for that one, you know, it was a little more not, it wasn't a huge amount. The jump from 24 to 25 was a big one. Five to six. Also noticeable. Well, this is the, and this being the S, it's, it's like, I like to say S is for sorted and like that's, if you click one post to the left on, we can just go right into it. 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I really like this thing so much. Like, it's, it's a, like, I would describe it like Carl's matzabal soup. After fucking so much time simmering on the stove, the ingredients have really come together in a, in a very nice way. Whether it's, you know, applying the talents of the Formula One engineers in the off season or whether Andrew Kay, who did the Valhalla, had his hands on this thing. I didn't go on the launch for this, so I didn't speak to the engineers, but like, everything is super fucking harmonious in this car. The power, the tip in, the brakes, the gear changes, the steering ratio, the rebound on the shocks, like all of it, like it does exactly the thing you pretty much want it to do all the time, which is lovely. And then it has 671 horsepower in a very short wheelbase. And so you can spin the tires, you know, all the way into third gear, if that's what you're trying to do. My only, the only thing about this car, I don't, I don't, there's two things I don't like about it. One is the ADAS, which they need to make it stay off through restarts. This is just, this is, this is not good. And then the other is all, all advantages, they, there's, there was nothing that's been changed about this. It's like, I need like, I can drive this car for 90 minutes before needing to like get out and stretch. I need one to two inches more leg room seat travel. That's the only reason I would, I would get a 911 GTS, which is the same real price as this, because turbos are more, this is cheaper than a turbo now, but more than a GTS. Wow. So it's, yeah, a loaded GTS, you can, you can, you can knock on the door of this. A loaded GTS is more than the base price of a Vantage S. This one is, this one was 198 base, 248 as tested. Wow. I mean, that's so much money also, but it's a lot of money. What's a turbo base to turbo base is like 230. Oh geez. Okay. You know, and the one, the turbo S that we are giving away. And by the way, our turbo S is a dot one, right? The new ones even more expensive. Our turbo S is 275, but it's loaded. Yeah. It's got a bunch of options in it. Go to our Instagram, link in bio to enter to win our turbo S by the way. The best turbo S is a free turbo S. Very true. That's absolutely true. Yeah. But it really makes this thing seem like, I mean, and again, we're talking about funny money for rich people, but it does make it in the game of top Trump seem like kind of a bargain. Well, I think it's a competitor finally, which it wasn't in the middle, in my opinion. It's a dynamic competitor. It's a dynamic competitor. And I think it's also the aesthetics are there now for the most part. Very pretty. The speed is there, which wasn't there for a little while. It was almost like, like the advantage, the V8 advantage in those earlier days was closer to the 9-11, not the turbo, of course, but like it was pretty good dynamically. It had pretty good power and you could, you could make the case for it. And then I feel like in the middle, it just, it aged poorly and they made some bad decisions. They didn't have the money basically. And now it's kind of well, and also adding in context in the first half of this car's life cycle, the AMG GT was a thing. Yep. Which had the same engine and a better gearbox. And it was cheaper. And it was cheaper. I think. And in arguably prettier. I agree. And the interior much prettier. Right. Like as a place to sit, made a great race car. And you know, this is just my take when I drove this car on the old one on the track. It just felt like, it felt like there were some horses that didn't make it on the boat from Germany to England. You know, I don't know. The AMG GTs always felt faster, tighter, all that stuff. So, but now in the nine years they've been making this, they've gone inch by inch, refining this, getting better, getting better, more power, tighter, better dampers, better handling, better brakes, better wheels, better cohesion. The AMG GT is still competent, but is now a fairly soft GT car, less pretty, heavier. It kind of turned into the SL. Well, they did. They merged those two things into one product. And then also, all 911s have gotten more expensive faster than this has gotten more expensive. That's true. And so now you can get, you know, a pretty bad motherfucker Aston, which is in the hierarchy of exotic car, probably perceived higher than most 911s. Yes. For what is actually like, you know, seems like fairly reasonable money. I think if you ask most people at a curb what costs more this car or a GTs, they're going to probably go with the Aston because the name, the marketing, all that stuff, it is, it's a rare thing to see. Yeah. So, the S is only 14 more horsepower than the regular car. Yeah, it's not. It's more about the handling and stuff, right? Yeah. And it's damper tuning. It's got the ceramic brakes and all that stuff that come with it. And then there's trim. But it's usually, it means more to me as like a signifier within Aston Martin of like, we've finally nailed this one. Like, whenever you get to an S, you're like, the biggest difference was the fucking Rapide. Remember the Rapide? Dude, the first one was a pig and then the S was like, whoa, what'd you guys do? This is all right. You know, fucking ripped. We went to the launch. Was it a track? It was at Atlanta Motorsports Park. Wow. It was like, it was a hard track. I was like, wow, this is fucking all right. You guys are doing it. And it was like, it was a bit, but vanquished to vanquish S. You know, the last Vantage S was a big change, although arguably the seven speed manual was a step back from the six speed. But you know, that notwithstanding, fucking cool car. Very cool car. It's so nice. Everyone who saw it, like loved it, although I did not get a lot of like, love on the street. Like people, and like, I think I did, I mentioned that there was an identical car and even that person like didn't acknowledge it. There doesn't seem to be a lot of like, just, you know, people in traffic looking at it. There's not a lot of like, if you're, if you're seeking attention, it's the wrong car is what I'm saying. Now, what cars have you driven in the last year that did get lots of attention? That's a good question. Like, I'm wondering if this is just people in traffic looking at their phones and they're not really noticing cars that. All right. Well, LA is a tough, because there's, there are so many nice cars here. So you really print, you have to drive something wild for people to really give a shit. Hmm. You know, that's a very good question. I would say, well, if I have to narrow it to new cars, that makes it tough. Oh man. That's a harder question than I expected, Glatman. When not recording this show. And right now it's this, the new season of Drive with Jim Farley. In it, the Ford CEO talks to some of his favorite people about what they're driving and what drives them to succeed. Like Formula One driver Daniel Ricardo. Listen, there's a well-worn trope about racing drivers not being interesting to listen to. But if there is one that is lint, interesting to listen to, it is Daniel Ricardo. I think this guy's takes on stuff and life are great. And look, Jim is a racing driver also. I personally raced against him like two months ago. And it, for me, a CEO that drives race cars on the weekends is about the pinnacle of CEOdom when it comes to car companies. So the two of them together obviously have a lot of things to discuss on Drive with Jim Farley, which you can get on your podcast app. Very easy to find. Drive with Jim Farley. Check it out. What have you experienced those people really looking at? I'm really, I'm really struggling to answer. I mean, there's like, like the Rift Welto of the C8. The C8 was new because it was a new idea. Sure. That got a lot of attention. The Alpine, but it got question marks. Like I had more people say, what is that? And look at it, but I was shocked by the number of heads that turn. Also in Monterey it was car weak. I mean, I guess the Spectre, although it was a little more than I wanted, driving one of those Rivologies around where it looks like a brand new 1969 Mustang like that. That gets a lot of the, I mean, I'm a broken record, but the Manx. Yeah, of course. I mean, the Manx. Because that's an oddity. And it's also bright. I mean, it is literally a bright signal in traffic. I drove it to dinner last night in Venice and driving into the sunset, going around the marina. I just, I was like, it's so sparkly. I just said, I said, I was like, it's so sparkly. She's like, do you hear yourself? The depth, dude, the depth of the, of the gel coat. Yeah, it's crazy. When we were at the factory and I looked at it, I mean, it was a little bit like being on a hallucinogen. It shifts. There's thick clear coat and then you can see, it's like looking at a bed of crystals. Right. You know, and you could like zoom into it. It's nuts. Right. Because it's not paint with flake in it. Right. The flake is suspended in the gel, which has a depth to it. And therefore, there's flake at different heights. So that when you move your head back and forth or turn across the light, it creates a fucking trippy shift. Yeah. Yeah. It's the best. It's fabulous. But like, yeah, I'm just saying not a lot of like, like not a lot of street cred in terms of if you want a tent. Now, it doesn't mean we went, I took it up to up the mountain on a Friday and people asked about it. People are interested in it. It, you know, it's very, no one, no one was like, ew, you know, and and it's a hat. I forgot because I haven't, I haven't had a coop in a while. The ones we've, I've taken home for the last six years have both been roadsters. The hatchback. Great. Yeah. Golf clubs. I delivered a gun safe to Corey. I mean, one of those ones. It was my golf clubs, my golf shoes, a duffel bag because I had a shower before going to Sergio's after golf. And, and then a gun safe. Look, there, like, oh, I took the gun. The gun safe was in the empty space in the top right where the, where the, but when we had a picture, this is a lot of the golf clubs go across, you know, like a Corvette, but you got a lot of bags. It's a lot of depth until you get to that small and then my shoes and my shoes and that other thing or go up on the go up on those are my other shoes go up on the shelf up top. Like you could, you could live out of this car for a couple of weeks. Definitely. For sure. Yeah. If you wanted to like travel the country road tripping, this would be an excellent car to do it in. The, I was, the only thing when I jumped in this car that I did not like about it is the seats by compare, comparing two and nine 11s, like 18 ways, but I think the thigh bolster is just is a little too short. And that's kind of it. So for really long term driving, you like a very long. I like it to go to the knee pretty much. Yeah. I want almost like, you know, horse like no, you like a long thigh bolster. I do. Yeah. I want as much support because I think for me with my body, like the more pressure moves back, like the more it's on my spine and tailbone and I have problematic tailbone due to the snowboarding wrong. I actually, if I extend the thigh bolster too long have like it creates a problem somewhere else. Sure. Yeah. So I need, yeah, but on the 18 ways, I put it out like maybe an inch. Yeah. But if I, but even if I don't put it out at all, it's still kind of fun. Well, you spent more time in this. So how did you find the seat? The Porsche seats are better. If you're talking about an 18 way, it's better. If you're talking about like a base Porsche seat or a bucket, I'd rather spend the time in this. But that one inch of leg room that I don't have in this car, like here's, here's how I know it, that it's a difference. I spent a half a day driving at barefoot because I had like flip flops on and I was going somewhere with flip flops. So like I drove it an hour each way, barefoot, go to golf. I drove it all the way to fucking more park 60 miles each way barefoot. And when I can stretch my legs out or tuck my feet like behind the pedals or whatever, different sensation at the end of that trip than trying to drive it with the shoes on where I have that extra, you know, half three quarter inch on that pedal. Right. Yeah. It's interesting for people like just highlighting how different everybody is. You might have the same inseam. 32. Oh, I'm a 30. Okay. That's different. Yeah. 31, 32 inseam depending on the inch different, but that's pretty like, but that inch. Yeah. It's nothing and it's everything. Yeah. It's a big difference. Not just the inch, but also the fact that specifically Porsche's pedal box is wider. There's no engine up there. You might notice. And so even if I'm wearing these NBs, which you see my new NBs, these are the 1000s. These are kind of fun. Even when I'm wearing NBs, I can put my left foot between the brake pedal and the dead pedal all the way down and the Aston didn't didn't have a space. You do feel like you're sitting a little closer, you know, you know, like in a Formula One car in this thing, like the tunnel is really tall. The I mean, the door sills on everything now are really tall, but I felt like I was really sunk down in the car. Some people, Harris famously really like to sit as low as possible. I do too. I like a little more visibility. Like sometimes, you know, people are looking just over the top of the wheel and I want to be able to see more than that. But I'm just think the hips on this thing are very wide. Yeah. It looks like overhead view of this and 9-11 to be very interesting. I don't know off the top of my head the measurements, but like this almost looks like a rear engine car. It's probably not. Yeah. I bet you like the stag, the wheel tire proportions are not that different. A 9-11 will have this thing from zero to 60. Obviously, the traction is going to be an issue here versus a 9-11. But beyond that, if you got two buddies, you know, dicing it up on a canyon road or if you've got two people in a track day running lap times, I think it's going to come down to driver. I think the better driver could drive the car, either of the cars faster, I don't think there, I mean, it might be, you know, a small number of a small amount of time, a lap difference if the stig is doing it or something. But like on any given track day, the better driver will be faster in either this or an equivalently loaded up 9-11 GTS. I think a 9-11 Turbo S would probably be quicker than this on a track. I think it's capable of that. Definitely. Also, all wheel drive. All wheel drive. Super clever. Everything. Yeah. That makes sense. 2025, the rear track width of the Vantage was 65.2 and 2025 GTS rear track width is 61.2. So requires more. Actually, when I backed it into my garage, I was really paying attention to those walls. Yeah. Got big hips in there. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking cool car. Yeah. Cool thing. I guess we'll talk about the M2CS next show. We should say, we should, should we talk about Dream Cruise? Yeah. This year, Zach and I are changing up a little bit. We're not going to go to Car Week. Instead, we're going to go to Detroit for the Woodward Dream Cruise. I have rented us a beautiful house. I'm not going to say exactly where it is, but it is very affordable. God, what a terrible fucking picture they use to promote this. That makes it look like a boring ass sock hop, cars and coffee, doesn't it? It does. If you don't know what this is, I've been before like 10 years ago. It's, it's pretty fun. It's the same weekend every year as Pebble Beach. It's in Detroit. And on Woodward Avenue, like for like, not the entire length of Woodward, but like miles and miles of it, it basically becomes anything is street legal, whatever, you know, historical car, yeah, one of those. Yeah. That's even the Wikipedia pages better. The thousands and thousands of cars. Like, you know, we talk about Pebble Beach traffic is a crazy place to find yourself, right? You could be in traffic at Pebble Beach and there's a Ferrari 250 LM next to you and there's a 73RS that raced in period in front of you and like, that's a crazy thing. But you do that enough, you need to change. This is, imagine that same traffic, the same level of like, surrounded by craziness, but it's not the shit you see at Pebble Beach. Yeah. It's tuner cars and crazy muscle cars and a guy that built a fucking slave. It's towed by eight Harley Davidson's, these somehow controlling. You like, I like to joke that the word contraption is never used at Pebble Beach, but it is in Detroit. And even in this photo, which has just pulled off Wikipedia, look, the parked on the sidewalk, you've got, you've got tens of thousands of people lining the sidewalk, just watching people cruise their crazy shit back and forth. And then you've got car shows the whole way. Yeah. They're open to the public. Almost nothing is ticketed. You've got like, Pantera Club here. I'm a huge fan. It goes all the way down the street. There's like, yeah, there's like 30 Panteras right there. And there's, look, there's a C4 Corvette with a Greenwood kit. There's some kind of bizarre little yellow hot rod thing behind it. There's a, I see a Porsche. I see a 911 cab back there. I see another C3 Corvette at the traffic light. Is that like a Diablo or something? That gray thing? Like there's like a prototype. Yeah. What is that? I think it's a C5. Oh, is it? It looks like something kind of wedgy. It does look wedgy, but the front looks C5 to me. But you will absolutely see Italian exotic, classic Italian exotics and crazy shit. Oh, a police cruiser with some kind of giant drag set up. So anyway, we think this would be fun. Hell yeah. A change of pace, something different to do, see and talk about. We got a house. Oh, is that a map up top? Oh, dude, that's this photo. What a great photo. This is the kind of shit. This was from 2020. Sorry. But that photo was, dude, look at all the stuff we can find in this one photo. Oh, this is gold. So you've got a starting from the bottom right now. Got a Transam 70 or something giant blowout. Hell yeah. You've then got like maybe some kind of Roush Mustang convertible next to it. An Acura NSX 2017. There's an X caliber. There's like a unimog with a bunch of dudes rolling rolling in the back. Buick not often seen today. There's like 66 maybe a GTL or a monster. 66 GTL convertible. Then behind it some weird Bel Air modified thing. That's terrible. But that's what that yeah, that's like a 58 Bel Air with a four vet grill. And that's just a bad that's a contraption. Then a F 150 with fucking MagaFlex on it. Yeah. And then some kind of the firehawk maybe yeah, Transami and then a challenger maybe a red eye or a demon. Oh, it's over here now. And then a muscle cars. There's an Eldo. Yeah. Right. Fintail Caddy going the other way. So this is just this is one random snapshot of a thing. I'm so about it. I mean, I need to go to Hottie Gus Knights like annually for a couple years. And this is like a much bigger version of that, which will have is love way more cars. Well, not more cars, but a wider diversity of cars. Well, it's just a different vibe. It's a totally different and they do the do they still do the roadkill nights like drag race down the street. I think so awesome crazy. So I've put in a few phone calls to people that might be able to get us interesting and unique cars to cruise in. You know, I haven't called the guys with the drift hummer. That thing's nuts. The drift hummer cruise. That was pretty good. That was pretty good. Cummins diesel, right? Yeah, it was a Cummins. No, it was a Duramax 1000 horsepower Duramax with an Allison gearbox and a rear drive conversion. Yeah, it was very good. So I and I do have one story idea that's that's very that I don't want to even talk about until I know if it's going to happen or definitively not happen. But anyway, the reason I bring it up is because I'm sure we have some fans in Detroit. And so if if any of you guys know about interesting things, and please don't give us like don't say roadkill nights. If you know, it's like interesting, cool local shit that's going down in Detroit for Dream Crew, specifically stuff that's I would say in the sort of Royal Oak to Birmingham corridor, which is I think where we're going to be probably spending most of our time. Do let us know in the comments or whatever. And I'm trying to see if there's a way we can do a live show there. So we'll see. But we do have the house, which is a starting point. And yeah, people if if people are a little burnt out on Pebble Beach, I think this is going to be a fun, a really fun alternative. It's so different. Yeah. And like the question will be if we get our trailer, do we end up like hauling like the Manx or something out there? Does that become something that's worthwhile? The Manx will be a good thing to cruise around there. It would. It fits in. Yeah, it would. But it's a long, you know, it's probably like a three day. It's no, I drove the fucking Tycon back from there. It's four days. And you're towing now. Yeah, but I was driving an EV. So that's the same. That's a fucking wash. Yeah, yeah. No, I, you know, four days. It's a long time. No, if I had to, I would just ship it. But I don't want to tow it that far. That's that's just a waste of fucking time. But anyway, shout out to Detroit. I love, I love Detroit. I don't care what anybody says. I'm just kidding. It's cool. I do love Detroit. I mean, I haven't been there in 10 years. Detroit is a city full of flavor. The good time. Yeah. Dream Cruise is the best time to be there. It's a total, total shit show. Just I mean, how many people show up for this thing? It's got to be hundreds of thousands. Hundreds of thousands. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not like, it's not like, you know, the tour de elegance, right? Which is the thing that if you want to win a trophy at Pebble Beach Concourse, you have to do this drive down Big Sur and back and you have to complete it in order to win. Not to show, but to win. And so watching it is fabulous. You pull over on the side of this extraordinarily beautiful place and these fucking $10 million, you know, Gilded Era shit comes by and race cars and you've seen the photos. You know what it is. But it's like an hour, you know, it happens and then it's over. This from Thursday until Sunday morning, this is going on. It doesn't turn off. I mean, maybe it turns off kinda like three in the morning. I don't know. I was asleep last time, but like far as I know, it doesn't turn off. And the house I got is walking distance from Woodward. So like we can get absolutely fucking shithouse at our house and then just walk over to Woodward with a Yeti cooler. I mean, I can't imagine there's open container laws in this city. There's basically no laws. No, not during this. We saw plenty of people sitting on the sidewalk. Just if you have a cup that looks like nothing. Yeah, post up. Yeah. Look what we have, buddy. Exactly. It's going to be a fucking rum August. I was just curious about the scale. So the hot August nights loop is four miles long. The Woodward Dream Cruise is 16 miles long. So that many more cars, that many more people hanging out. Whoa. That's crazy. Dude, it's so like the last time I went, it took me something like an hour and a half to do a lap. Like it was like a whole morning basically. You're at idle speed, right? Basically. I mean, unless you find yourself at the front and then you're obligated to like hammer down two gears. No one is trained for this like us because we live here. Stop and go traffic for 16 miles. We've done it. We are frozen. And then what's crazy is you go like a couple of blocks off of Woodward either way and it's like back to normal Detroit. It's not like you have to deal with the traffic to go anywhere. Like you go just a couple blocks and then it's like just a bigger city. Whereas Monterey is it's kind of traffic everywhere because there's only a few ways to get around the city. And I love Car Week, but I just I looked and it's been, it's been nine years in a row. I've gone. So it's and I've gone like 14 of the last 16 years. So like I think it's and actually the two years I didn't go fucking went to I've went to this Car Week every time. Yeah, I'm excited. So yeah, we got a we're gonna we need a couple things. We need a car to cruise and then we need to figure out, you know, what what we can get. That's a that's a cool enough daily. So even when we're not cruising, we're still rolling. You know, obviously it's going to have to be something American because all those cars are there. But and we're gonna maybe maybe have wives and maybe have friends. So it'll probably have to be something big. But so escalate V it'll be basically what I'm saying. We're going to require an escalate V is what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, burning through gas so fast. Yeah, I mean less idling in traffic or just the TRX the new the new TRX will get like one mile per gallon. Probably. Well, we're gonna have you booked it. You booked it. We're going to road America. You're you're racing. Well, even if I'm not really, I'm going. I'm coming over. Imagine you fly all the way and you actually know. The license falls through Johnny Johnny is out and and you are in and and so yeah, team, excuse me, you and I and fucking Tato Siderman and Tommy Kendall rad. Amazing. Your first race with a competition license is going to be with Tommy Kendall. So cool. That rules never ever would have been this in my life. And you will you'll likely be handing the car off to him because it's probably going to be Tato me you well, I don't know. I don't know. Last time that was it was it was going to be Tato me Johnny Tommy, but then Johnny tapped out. So it was just me but it would probably be Tato me you cool. I'm like, whatever, it's going to be fun. That's right. Amazing racetrack. Do we dodge got us a hellcat Durango. Yeah, to get from Chicago to the track and then to run practice laps. Tato day I went over there to do sim training with him. He's like, how do you think the Durango will be like on the track? And I go, what do you mean? And he goes, like, how do you think it will handle some of this stuff? And after this is after he had shown me like his line and hitting these bumps. And I was like, you mean like curbing? He goes, yeah, like I knew he was asking something without asking. I go, I don't think you should do it for up first. I think you should do it one person because and then I explained to him moose test, gross vehicle weight limits and how center of gravity like and and he had never heard the moose test. And I go, well, let me tell you how this works. So I think he should go out by himself and see before he starts doing school. I don't think Tato signing the fucking I don't think he's signing the loan agreement. I don't think he's definitely not insured to drive his vehicle on a racetrack. Absolutely fine. You can do the because you know, we could do the taxi laps. Bro, I am 100% capable of this. Yeah, you are. I am. And I have precedent and rode America with the track Hawk, right? I was and you know, excuse me, rode Atlanta with the track Hawk and you absolutely can take an extremely generous not necessarily the exit. You don't want to because you don't want your outside loaded up rear tire in grass. No, what you can do is cut the apex extremely generously to where if you're turning, let's say you're turning left, only the half of your right tires need to be on tarmac and like the rest of the vehicle can be basically in grass four wheel drive. Go watch my track Hawk video. It's from, I don't know, 2019, 18, maybe 17, maybe, but it's basically the same shit. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to dream cruise and we're going racing road America. You can actually if you if you're in that area and you want to come say hi during the race, like you can, we will be there. Tickets are cheap. Someone, a fan hit us up. It's like $10. Yeah, to get the WRL, of course, it's a really cheap ticket and you can get yeah. And it's all access and you can get like a weekend pass for $18 or something like that. So very affordable. Speaking of racing, did you see the, did you, the press release the morning this four GT mark four ran a 616 at the Nurburgring? What? Technically it was like 615, like 9, 7 or something, but we'll call it, we'll call that a 616. And yeah. So third fastest time ever and fastest gas only car. Third fastest time ever for what like category? Well, but ever behind the Volkswagen like ID, whatever the fuck thing. And then the 911 9 Evo. Yeah. Oh my god. Those two and then this. And they also, which is amazing. I mean, and fastest petrol ever is also amazing. They also like made kind of made up another fun, fun statistic in the press release. They said also it's the fastest vehicle ever that you can buy, which is a total that is that is the first time anyone has ever made that distinction as regards Nurburgring time. So I applaud their PR department for making up a new statistic to crown themselves king of this guy. It can be really instantly invalidated by the way, if Volkswagen just sells the IDR to somebody, anybody. It's like when they make up Guinness World Records, like there's this crazy stunt guy, I follow on Instagram and he's like New World Record. And what he did is they rode guy strapped two car. He's, he's operating a motorcycle next to him, no rider on it at like 150. And then he sends the motorcycle off a ramp. And then he's still strapped to the car. So they just sent, they just ghost rode a motorcycle at like 150 off a ramp and he's like New Distance Record and went for unmanned motorcycle. Probably zero. Yes. For unmanned motorcycle. Yeah. The guy is like Shiboda. Motorcycle distance record. I'll find it for you. But yeah, making up records, they all do it these days. But that is. But also, it's, I mean, look, that's also, it's also really stretching the quote that you can buy. They made, I think, 67 of these things. Well, is it doesn't look street, I mean, it's not really, it's a race car. No, no, they don't claim it's street legal. It's, it's fast as that you can buy. Yeah. Which, I mean, maybe there's an implication there. But I mean, it's a fucking sick car and that's a crazy time. Did they make, is this all new body panels in the back? These intakes look even bigger than on the regular GT. I think they have changed some things. But that also might be like the most perfect angle. That's true. Of it. No, I think they're bigger. I think they might be bigger on the Mark IV. These, this whole gap looks bigger. But. And also the front bumper doesn't seem to have headlights. No, no, there's no headlights. I think these are just tape and intakes, knack of ducks. But that said, what's the powertrain? It's still the same. Yeah, I mean, effect. Yeah. I mean, I think it has, it has more power than the road car, but it's not, it's not a different engine. I mean, because the IDR is full electric. Yeah. The 919 Evo is hybrid. Yes. So it's pretty rad that it's closing in and it's just gasoline. Yeah. Whoa. Crazy, right? Really crazy. Good for them. Six fucking 16. I saw it last week though. Something, something, we'll just call it 616, but like, God, mother fucking damn. I think Ford's GTD unofficially beat the ZR1s time. Yeah, I saw that. But I, well, someone, somebody, somebody said they did that. But then I thought that maybe it was a mistaken story and they actually should have been, it was actually this and they heard the rumor wrong. Oh, really? You got the car wrong? Well, I don't know. I think if Ford actually did it, they probably would have just set like, why, why not say it if you do it? I don't know. I'll look it up. We got the time, the fastest road registered car on the road was the MG1. 629, which, you know, sort of barely road legal there. But oh, power is up on the mark four to 789 from 650. And it has a, it has an sequential gearbox. So, you know, yeah, obviously it's a race car. So it's got race car shit. That's amazing. Yeah. Good for them. 6 minute 15, 9, 7, 7. Fuck it, he fuck. That's kind of crazy, isn't it? It's very crazy. That's kind of crazy. Okay. And before we go to the people, because we're going to go to the people, get this sack. I called Shant over at CMS Motorsports. I look at your car every day. Our friend, you drive by it, you've seen it. I walk by it and I look for progress. Yeah. You see any? No. Okay. That's because there isn't been any, but there has been some. You just haven't seen it. Got it. Right? I know what you're saying. It's because I know there was other ideas developing. What we're doing is building a ballroom. No, it's cancelled recently. So they have another shop in the valley because of course you do. When you're an Armenian, you always have another shop in the valley. Well, in the place here, it's tiny, small. Right. So I call him and I was like, Hey, man, you know, and the lat when we last left off, it was a month ago. And he said, when doing the powertrain swap, and again, if you're just, if you're just here for this the first time, I got a free Mercedes 124 Cabriolet and I'm trying to make it awesome on the kind of cheap. That's what I'm trying to do. And my friend Shant, who owns CMS Motorsports, maybe you've seen him. He's one of the, one of, if not the most ridiculous Mercedes-Benz builders in the country. He does all these insane Euro tuner cars, a pre-merger AMGs. He collects all these cars and these parts at Pebble last year. He built a shooting break, a wide body like AMG Hammer. That was just so cool. Yeah. And so won the awards. He's very creative and his team is very talented. And so anyway, I was, he's wanted to do some with me. I've wanted to do some with him. This fucking free Mercedes fell into my lap and I said, well, wouldn't it be cool if we took this E320 and turned it into the 500E Cabrio that Mercedes never made? Shant was like, fuck to the yes, my brother. So first step is a V8 and a five-speed automatic gearbox. The M119, which is the 500E four cam V8 is actually like not a great engine. I mean, it's a fine engine, but it's like, you don't need a four cam engine for a car that's going to putter around in traffic. What you want is torque. And so, and also the 320, which my car is, has a different length of engine compartment than the original 500E. It was longer. The M119 is a physically big engine. What you actually want is the E55's engine from 99 to 01. That, the round, the four-eyed square, the first E55, 369 horsepower naturally aspirated, five and a half liter V8. That's the engine that you want. Okay. It's physically smaller and it is incredibly robust. And so, anyway, that's the engine we got. I didn't realize that there were some other key differences. And so, what he was doing was going to build, his brother was building something similar to this out of a coupe. So he was like, we're going to do it and if it works good, then we just do it for your car. So, to make the engine work, it's smaller, it fits. You also use the gearbox, it fits. But this 2000, 2001 E55 is throttled by wire and also has digital gauges. He wants it to look stock. So, he told me and I thought, I thought he was just going to finish his brother's car and then we'd come back to mine and whatever. He got a very short way into his brother's car when he said, you know, this would just go better if we build both cars at the same time and just do double everything. You know, if we do it on this car, if it works, we just right on this car. So, he's a little further than I thought. So, they have two E55 engines running on stands. They have two functional wiring harnesses. They're still trying to figure out the gauges, but they have running engines on stands. They have gearboxes and so, they actually sort of have a lot of the mechanicals needed for the powertrain swap ready to go, which surprised the shit out of me. I didn't think they were anywhere in this. They also have all four replacement body panels ready. Whoa. Like, they're not... Oh, shit. Yeah. He's like, your front and rear quarter panels are done too. Like, you're getting close to install time for this stuff. Yeah. Whoa. And he was like, he was like, so, yeah, like next week, you should come like, see where we're at. And I was like, wait, really? Like, we're like, you've made bodies. Like, oh, yeah, we've made... He's like, this is going to be an all steel E55. It's going to look just like Mercedes made it. That's dope. But it's, you know, but it's going to have this better engine. And I was like, shit, we need to go see the material guy. We got to do leathers. We got to do inlays. We got to do, you know, make sure we order that. The fabric, the right fabric that we like. Get that shit done. Dude, that's crazy. I walk by like, it still looks like this. Yeah, no, he hasn't put any of the things on the car yet. But they've got all the parts ready because they didn't develop a bunch of shit. Yeah. Whoa. I don't know if he's got the front and rear bumper handy yet, but I think he didn't need to make those. He just bought those. But the fenders he had to make, right? The fenders he had to make because the, you know, because this is a two door and the E55 was a four door, you can't just make the the way it meets with the doors is completely different. So you make it look just like the E55 fender or the, excuse me, the 500E fender, but you make it by hand. Yeah. Nice. But out of metal. Yeah, that's great. Which is rad. Yeah. Yeah. And the hood, the hood, the trunk lid are both staying. They're fine. And yeah, so that's, that's pretty sweet. It's happening. Yeah. A lot further than we thought. Yeah. Crazy. All right. So I want to go to the people, but man, it's been, I ran out. What is wrong with me? I chugged a little bit of water before and now I have to pee. That works. Will you, uh, will you plug everything they get with Patreon? Sure. Boom. If you're a new listener, what you get on Patreon is pretty awesome. 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What do we have going on here? Did you already tell them what they get with the Patreon? So I don't have to do that. You're saying do I did it? Wow, that's a relief. Nishant Ketterpal says, uh, any thoughts on on this car replacement, uh, replacing an Audi S4 B 8.5 Audi S4 with 100,000 miles with a 50,000 mile Mark seven golf, Mark 7.5 golf R manual year round driver in Michigan. Perfect. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. That's fine. Yep. I think that's fine. Yeah. This question is more complicated. And in SoCal, what should replace a high mile Maserati Quattroporte S that will surely need very expensive repair soon for door automatic and not so collectible. So a bit of abuse is fine for 50 to 100 K. I mean, I would say almost any lightly used AMG car. There's so many E 63s and CLS 63s or even, uh, uh, said, you know, GLE 63s and all that shit 50 to 100 K. Get you all of them. All of them. They start cheaper than that if you want to do it. You could probably get a lightly used E 63 wagon for this. Absolutely. Couldn't that would be my jam. That's what I would do. Yeah. I feel like that's the Maserati flavor versus anything from BMW or or Audi. Mm hmm. I mean, there might be a brand new alpha Julia left on the lot somewhere. That's true. Like a Quattroporte. Yeah. You get the fast one brand new. Yeah. Yeah. Quadrifoglio. Quadrifoglio. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Um, LL Coolbean says, uh, with Metallica scheduled to play at Sphere later this year, I'm wondering what would be each of your dream shows to see there. Pretty, I mean, fucking Metallica is not far off. I'm going to that. Uh, your Metallica Sphere. Yeah. I texted Christian to see if it's gonna be a good one. I'm, it's going to be. Do you have dates set and shit? No, but I, I, you know, the, the person, our person who was there is, is Christians person. And I'm friendly with her as well. And she's, she's fabulous. And, and if it had only been like a month or two since we saw you two, I would probably text her directly. But it's been like a year and I haven't seen her and I don't want to be like, Hey, hey, you know, I kind of want Christian to ask for me. So I, I'm flexible on the dates and we are going. I'm just, I'm waiting to find out when I'm keeping it open. Do you have a dream show there that would be, I mean, I'll, I'll make, you mean, if you. As I go, because I tech, when I saw Metallica was playing there, I texted Christian also and I said, is this going to be a good one? Yeah. Because there's so many variables. Yes, it is. He said yes. Yes. That will be rad. I also, I always thought the sphere would be good for more, I don't know, like slower music because the visuals can really play, but I don't really know. But I thought glass animals would be cool, something like that, where it's a little, little trippy. If they really spent the time on the visual side of it. Yeah, they probably could. You'd have, you'd need a budget that I'm not sure glass animals could pull off. But like, I see where your head is out there. I think nine inch nails would be insane. Fucking epic. Yeah. Because you have trends, creativity, and, and I think the music would lend itself well to that. Yeah. Metallica is going to be crazy. Because I, you know, when I saw it, when I went to that, the power trip festival thing, the treatment, which is the, the company that is doing a lot of the sphere stuff, did Metallica's set at this festival. And it was bananas. The, the visuals that they did for an outdoor festival were about the best I've ever seen for Metallica. I had no idea that Metallica would have visuals besides just zooming in on their faces. Like I didn't, didn't expect that. No, I mean, they had the whole, it was fucking crazy. Cool. Yeah, it was really cool. Really cool. And they had a lot of fire. I don't know if you can do fire in sphere, but you need to be a, you need to be a big band to pull off that venue. And you also can't be like, well, the dead, you either can't be an improv band or you need to like be an improv band. Like the dead, I know what they had to do to make that. They had to like make so much more than they needed because they might be like, let's play moon or let's make this stretch this song. And so they had to make the, the, the visuals much more like flick flexible than you too did where it was incredibly like precise. Metallica is precise. I've seen Metallica three times. I don't think I've ever seen a band that's more precise than Metallica. Even Lars. Dude, go with Corey. Corey, when he came, he hates Lars so much. It's so funny. That's rad. I think I would throw a curveball. I bet a symphony there with the right crazy visuals and maybe some enhancements would be good. Oh yeah. No, bring your drugs for sure. I would never know. Not certainly not cross stable. Aphila, great disturbance in the first. This name is so good. That's really good. I canceled that project. That's one of my favorite names. It was a really bad name. Not the username is good. Aphila for a car. Terrible name for a car. Commercials were weird. Great username. Yeah. Your pets not included, your own pets not included best cat and best dog among auto journalists. That's cold. A judge people's cats. I haven't met any journalist dogs, I don't think. I must have met journalist dogs. Doesn't... Exactly. That's a good one. We have friends that have dogs, but... I'm not really sure. Yeah, we don't see a lot of these folks in their own homes. A journalist dog. Andrew Collins puts up photos of his dog a lot. It's a half Aussie. So that one. Wes Seiler. Harris puts up photos of his... What is it? American Bulldog? Like living in the GT3. Yeah, he's got one of those. Yeah. And Wes Seiler who was on the show has dogs. Cats, obviously, Michael T. O. Van Rondkel, who was the guy who along with his partner adopted the three kittens that I found with Hannah in the tree. And those cats are unbelievable. I've never seen... Like the idea that one could randomly end up with those cats is crazy. They're so beautiful, so well behaved, and so social with strangers. Like they're amazing. Yeah. Good cats. Great cats. I wish I could have kept them. Cohedon Camber. Oh, ace. Superb. Superb. Mid-2000s reference. We will accept any and all 2000s alt rock. What is Cohed referring to? The band. Cohedon Cambria. Oh, I didn't know it was a band. You've never heard of a band Cohedon Cambria? They're kind of like my chemical romance. They're of that same... They're the deep impact and... What's the other fucking movie? Armageddon. The Armageddon and deep impact of that type of music. Got it. My parents have an 80s fiat spider 2000, and the engine feels pretty meh. No shit. I've heard the carb versions of these engines are loved, but this one leaves me wanting so much more, even though the fuel injected system is quote, better. What are some other cars that would be better if they were worse? I mean, a lot of snobs will tell you that Lamborghini Cuntoshes are better with carbs, but I don't necessarily agree with that. Yeah, I think some cars... I don't know. I hear people say the sound of the carb makes it, but the cars I've driven that have carb carburetors are so loud exhaust wise that I can't really hear the intake. The Morgan 3-wheeler, I hate to say, going to the Super 3, which they make now, it has a car engine, and it's quieter, and it has more power, and it has more emissions. Excuse me, a fewer emissions, I'm sorry. And it's more reliable, it's less vibratey, and all of those things make it worse than the motorcycle engine. You lost the umpada-thumpada steampunk thing. Sorry, guys. You didn't know why we were here in the first place. Yeah, that's true. I mean, a lot of new cars, and they make them too stiff, and the quest for lap times makes it worse for 90% of the people, 99% of the time. Sure, like respect to Ford and what they've done with this 4GT, the Nurburgring, that's insane, but if I had to go spend a day, had to. If I got to spend a day, and there's two cars in front of me, and I'm going to drive, you know, the mountain passes in Switzerland, or our roads here, or I'm driving from here to car week, and I get to drive a current gen 4GT, or I get to drive an 06 4GT, I will take the 06. So like, it's slower, it has less power, it's a manual, it's not a blah blah blah blah, and when they tried to race one, it was garbage as a race car, but it's better on the road because it's worse. Yeah. Okay, LL Cartier, I work mostly from home, but have to drive out of state once a month. I want to do it all car for long drives and quarterly track days, and I have racing experience, so the car needs to be legitimately fun. I'm thinking 996 Porsche, first gen M2, E90 M3, I've got 35 grand, and it's got to have a back seat big enough for a baby. Okay, I really like the specificity of this. The car is pretty much for road trips and track days. So that's a tough thing, because a lot of ways those are like kind of opposites. They are, but I think the cars he's listed, I mean, the dual ability of those is very... I agree. ...part of that car's ethos, like, and you can get M2s, I'm looking at cars and bids, around 30 grand with 26,000 miles on them. Really? I've talked to people that have these cars, and they all profess the reliability of them, and I say how many miles are on the car, and it's like 30,000, they're pretty fine. So that might be a good choice. Check the forms, but... A first gen M2 is a great choice. It really is. A 996, it's not that there's anything wrong with it, but if it doesn't have service records, and I don't mean service records that are like the oils changed and blah blah blah, I mean, at this point, the newest 996s need bushings, and they should have had motor mounts, and all the shit that comes up, these are 20-year-old cars. So, like, a great 996 that needs nothing is going to be like 45, 50 grand, probably. The kind that you're going to like road trip and track days are like two pretty high pressure environments. You're going to strain this car at the track, and you're going to be far from home a lot with this thing, and these are out-of-state drives probably for work or for something important, I'm guessing. So, it's not that these cars aren't dependable, but the one you buy is going to either have needs or you're going to pay for the one that doesn't have needs. I know this because my neighbor just bought a 996 4S, and he's into it. It's a great color combo. It's got reasonably low miles, and he got it for a good price. It's got like 60,000 miles. I think he paid 40 grand for it. But, right in the first week, some things have come up. Like, the check engine light is this, and he hit a bump and heard a thing, and now he needs to get it checked, and just stuff like that. Do you think an S would be more expensive than a 4S, because it's less sought after? There are no 996 Ss. Sorry, just not regular, rear-wheel drive. Sure, it'll certainly be less expensive than a 4S. It'll be less expensive than a 4S. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The 35 grand is a little... But it doesn't matter. They all need something. Yeah. Yeah. So, your money, if you could buy a five-year-old car or a four-year-old car for that kind of money versus a 20-year-old car, if you needed it as a car, you know what I mean? I would do that. My neighbor has a regular car, so if this thing's in the shop, he's whatever, he's fine. Okay. Oh, there's a question just exactly related to what we were just at. With 996 coupe prices now hitting 40K for the good ones, at what point is a 996 no longer quote worth it? Is it a 40K driving experience in 2026, or are there other 2 plus 2s that deliver a similar experience for that price? There are no cars that feel like 9-11s. Yeah. There's no similar experience. It doesn't exist. Because there's nothing else that's rear-engine. I mean, yeah. That's why that car is what it is. There's nothing like it. There's no substitute, one might say. But like, 40K was 30K five years ago, like in inflationary reasons. So, everything else is more expensive. It's not like there's some new option that's come out that's an affordable alternative to the 9-11. I mean, they're kind of just like isn't. Sorry to say. I think this person has to write down, you have to remove the rear-engine platform and feel from the equation and think about what else do you want from a driving experience? Like, do you want precise controls? Do you want speed? Do you want grip and handling? Do you want a quiet interior on a highway? Like, other aspects that the 9-11 also has, can you get those somewhere else for 40 grand or less? Like, I think the M2 delivers a lot of those things just as an example. But if you wanted like outright grip and maneuverability, you could drop to like a GR86, but it's not going to be quiet on the highway like a 9-11. It doesn't have the curb presence of a 9-11. So, you have to look at other things you want because 40 grand is pretty cheap. It's a low budget. Yeah. And you know, either you can pay for a good one or you can get a cheaper one and have to put question mark into it once you get it home. My fucking poor physical therapist got this 996, also a 4S. And dude, the cat blew out like a thousand miles into him owning it. And an OEM replacement cat was like $9,000. And even the Magnaflow like, you know, Carb, he wants to pass smog. He's like, no, this is a fucking, this guy's not like a hot rod guy. He's a fucking physical therapist. The Magnaflow replacement that would pass carb, it was about $3,800. Still a huge amount of money, but it was backordered for like four months. And so, Homie's car just sat at BBI who felt very bad, but couldn't do anything. And he had to, you know, he had to do a bunch of stuff to this car. He had to have the shifter linkage adjusted to the service. The cats have the car like corner waited because it had coilovers on it, but they were like set up all fucked up. So, you know, he bought this car and then he had to do immediately within a thousand miles, like $7,000, $8,000 worth of shit. And then the car had to sit for a while. You know, 10 to 20% of the value of the car. Yeah. And that hurts because you go, I wasn't planning, I was, when you bought a car, you wanted to spend X. You didn't, if you knew you were going to have to spend 20% of that right afterwards, maybe you would have just bought a more expensive car. Yeah. Yeah. So, Chef Carl Spice Tolerance, going to Tuscany for a month in the fall doing a food wine tour. That sounds all right. Is it worth trying to rent an interesting car, bike, or scooter while I'm there? Or is the transit and walking situation good enough? Well, I mean, if you're staying in Tuscany for a month, the food, all right. So, this sounds awesome, by the way, congrats. If you're doing the food wine tour, presumably they are going to bring you to the places you need to go, I hope. So, you don't need any transport for that, I think. Having said that, when Han and I went to Tuscany for our food and wine school slash tour, we did rent a little hatchback, Alpha Giulietta. It was fairly shit. It was not that fun. But at the moments that we weren't required to be at a place, we did have options. And then once the school ended, we did drive around to some different places and drive to Rome and whatever. So, having transport, if you're in Tuscany for a month, you is probably good because there's villages. And in between the villages, I'm sure there's some kind of transit, but if you've got the budget to rent a little something, something, you probably want to. Yeah, it's amazing. You can hike, but there's the wine trail, and you can hike the wine trail between the villages, which is awesome. I love Tuscany. The user formerly known as Donny Selmate, as men who had their early to mid-20s in one of the roughest times in American history, what general advice do you have for Jesus? Right. 20, 25-year-olds going through our more formative years of adulthood right now. Shit. Yeah, I mean, I was 26 when the 08 crash happened, so I certainly saw one of them when I was in my 20s. Dude, I don't fucking know. There's a lot of unpredictables, you know, with... Well, there is one thing that's predictable, and that's that people will continue eating and shitting. So if you get into an industry that involves people eating or shitting, you will be foolproof. No, I mean, I don't know, man. We should probably ask my dad that, because he's been through like five recessions. My dad, when I talked about the economic situation right now, my dad liked to remind me that he bought our first house in New Jersey at 19% interest in 1979. Yeah, but interest for houses used to be a lot higher. The houses were cheaper, and there's a whole thing there, but that is true. Yeah, no, but I think, I don't know, patience, maybe, the power of compounding interest. I mean, that is a thing, like I'd say start investing, or start at least saving. That's what I'd say in someone in their 20s, like, I don't know, it's hard. You're not making any much money, and you want to do a lot of stuff. Just save some money, like five or 10% of your paycheck, even if you save it in cash, which is depreciating, because saving money now will give you options or security later, and that's something I wasn't able to do or figure out till I was like in my 30s, and it can allow you to quit a job that's terrible, or go back to school, or a trade school to get a better job, or do a different thing. Money gives you flexibility, and you probably won't have a lot of it in your 20s, but you can at least have some where it gives you less stress, some options. That's a good point. I would say that. And look, to your point, Matt, there are going to be some jobs that will last through AI. The guy that's going around, and he was an AI programmer at Google, is saying jobs in trades, like things that require hands. He's like HVAC, robots are not going to be able to install, crawl in the crawl space, do that shit for decades, 100 years. Getting a job like that, it'll pay well, it'll be physical. It's not sending a computer, but which is probably a good idea. Jobs that require some physical activity that a bolted-in machining robot can't do is probably a good idea. Yeah, making things, building things, fixing things, fixing people's real-world problems. Also, like you just said, with saving, I read this book recently, and it wasn't a fucking very good book, and I didn't get a lot out of it, so that's why I haven't really talked about it. But one passage that did work for me, and I'm not going to be the guy who quotes the book, but he was talking about saving. And he basically said, by saving, you're buying your future time, which is a good way to think about, because I think one of the problems, I hate to be, I'm not going to be the guy who's like, these kids don't want to work. Some of the people I talk to in other industries are very much like, these kids don't want to work. And I'm sort of like, look, if they don't see that their work is building to something, if they don't see that their company or their society or their city or their civilization will somehow take care of them for the work that they're doing, well, why would they try? Why wouldn't they just take every day off they can take or and whatever and be a fucking slacker? Like, if it all seems bleak, then of course, what are you investing for? Right. So, I like understand that young people like feel that way and act, maybe act accordingly. But yeah, if you can save money, what you're buying is your future time, which, you know, odds are you'll live long enough to want some. Odds are like, you'll want to have some time in your future at some point where you want to be able to make a choice to short term or long term not work. So, you kind of have to start early. If you don't want to, you don't want to find yourself at fucking 45 with nothing. That's shitty. Yeah, it's real bad because you're, you will also have to continue eating and shitting. Yeah. And I, when I see people that are like Walmart greeters at advanced age, and maybe some of them might be doing it because they want something to do, but to be obligated to work at a very late age, I think, would be really hard. And especially physically difficult, mentally difficult. And to put yourself in that position, if you can prevent that position now, because you can if you're in 2025, even just with a little bit of savings and money, I would recommend that. And also go out and live and meet a lot of people from a lot of different walks of life and like go make mistakes and expose yourself to lots of different stuff. That too. That too. Do the Lancer Evolution. Pretty good. It's good. When we think of douchey or trashy drivers, dudes in lifted trucks or G37s come to mind first, maybe for you. Yeah, in LA, in LA, they're 90% Model 3s. Yeah. What do trashy women drive? This question can't get me in trouble at all. What does a trashy woman drive? I think it always depends on where you are. Like, regionally in the city, shitty people drive everything. Some just have bigger budgets. So it depends on how you define trashy too. Yeah. Eh Cooled911 says, thinking about those hypercar collectors who rarely drive their cars, do they service them based on mileage or time? And if time would you be hesitant to buy a low mileage example versus a high mileage car that's had more frequent servicing? A lot of those folks send the car to service once a year, whether it gets driven or not. So I imagine most cars you're buying in that, there's going to be a couple of shitters out there. There's going to be cars that have been, you know, crashed or fucking, oh, that one was, you know, Prince Jeffrey's fucking car. It's got glitter all over it and it's full of fucking sand or something. Maintenance skipped. No, I mean, we don't have a lot of hypercars here at Westside Collector Car Storage, but we have a lot of high value air cooled stuff and, you know, your singers, your gunthers, your roofs and stuff like that. And then your run of the mill quote, you know, super cars. The vast majority of these cars will go to service once a year, whether they're driven or not. So it, miles don't bother me on cars. If I was, if I was McLaren shopping, I'd want some miles. I don't want to, I don't want a car that's got 1500 miles and sat for two years. I'll take a, I'll take an eight, 9000 mile car that's, that's been through a few services and been through a set of tires and, you know, because those seals, like you want that liquid splashing around to every part of the seal, if it just sits and then gets serviced, there's stuff deeper in the engine or in the diff or whatever, that's just not really getting any attention from like the liquids and it might dry out quicker. Yeah. Ideally, a car does, you know, thousand to 2000 miles a year, you know, kind of minimum keeps things moving. Dude, elitist Arawan shopper says, thoughts on the refresh 2026 Lexus IS. You know what's so funny? I didn't even know there was a refresh. I was driving down La Brea the other day and I saw this weird looking Lexus front end and I was like, what, is that a prototype? What is it? And no, it was the facelifted IS, which has a very Prius like nose on it. Is that, would you describe that as, it looks like a Toyotaized front end, more so than a Lexus. I see like, I see like GR Corolla and Prius in this front end more than I see Lexus. I wonder if Toyota has come to, I mean, it still has the giant mouth. It does. That Lexus started. I think it's pretty good looking car. Yeah, no, I'm not saying it's bad. I just, I saw this on the street and I was like, oh, shit, I guess Lexus went and did it without telling your boy over here. So. Wait, let me see 2026. I think the Prius has, oh, come on Toyota. I don't know. I feel, I feel like it's, I mean, obviously it's a bigger, it's a much bigger grille, but from the middle section up, I think it's got some Prius in it. This hood looks very GR and 86 to me, which I think it's a good looking. You know what, it's more 86 and GR Corolla than it is Prius. Yeah. But I, with you, I didn't know they were going to refresh it, keep it going. This thing's got legs that keep just changing. Every couple years they change the headlights. I know it's a facelift and I haven't driven one since the IS 500. The 500. I've been driven a regular one since long before that. I mean, like 22 miles per gallon. So bad. So 06, 06 seconds. That is. These are bad numbers. Not competitive products. These two, these two things are why I didn't buy an IS 300 back in the day. They're not that fast, but they consume a lot of gasoline. And that's still the case. Yeah. How about that? Interesting. Revved up like a deuce. Front collision warning systems are, I'm assuming, pretty effective. What do you think of a rear collision warning system to potentially prevent getting rear-ended in sudden traffic slowdowns, etc? This is a really fascinating question. How do you suppose that would work? Right. So let's play this out. I am, okay, here we go. I'm here and I'm coming to a stop. Okay, here we go. The microphone is traffic. So I come to a stop. Okay. And now here you are, barreling down. And so what is my rear collision avoidance system going to do? Right. Because a front collision system stops you. Yeah, yeah. Because you are moving. I don't know if they have a vasive steer plugged in now, but like a rear one, if you are stationary, it would have to then begin moving, right? And is it, it would have to look ahead of you and to the sides, theoretically, I guess to the sides, see what gaps exist around you and then decide to accelerate aggressively and shoot for a gap between cars or moving lanes. Also, while reading the language of the car that's approaching behind you and going, if I duck to the right lane, that car is not going to do that. It's going to stay in the course and hit the car that's in front of me. Just seems like complicated and dangerous. And also, if you're not, if this system has come on, it's because a rear ending is imminent and you haven't already taken an action. So now the car is going to start driving by itself and you're not going to know why. And you're going to freak out and slam on the brakes, probably, hampering it from doing the thing it's trying to do. I think the, all right, if you really want to prevent getting rear-ended, what we need are obviously rear-mounted rockets that will blow the car up. It'll be more effective. If it gets too close. Yeah. Or a ramp. That you deploy. You have a ramp on the back of the car and if it's, if it's impending it, drop and it sends the car over you. Also, imagine how many, you know how many times you drive a car and it has the front collision warning that just turns on. No, like you're taking a left on a street. Imagine if it suddenly accelerated because it thinks there's a rear ending happening. Problematic. How BBI Autosport, is there a perfect place to test a car that showcases everything about its driving dynamics in one location? Proving grounds. Yeah. Yeah. And OEM is proving grounds. I mean, second to that, I think there's, there's an argument for the Nurburgring. I think that you, one would have to, because the Nurburgring is a place. The Nurburgring is also a thing that people, like when I say the car was tested on the Nurburgring, like you assume that somebody is out there trying to go as fast as possible. Should one wants to, they could also use the Nurburgring as a road to test ride quality, to test all kinds of different things. If you wanted to, like the Nurburgring can be used for other things besides pure speed. So I'm suggesting that you could use the Nurburgring for everything, even things that are not related to speed, but then you essentially have a proving ground. Right. Well, BMW, they use Los Angeles and I think they do a lot of efficiency testing here. We see them in the canyons a lot. They're probably doing, I think in the canyons you can do ride quality. You can't do limit, you know, grip or braking, but I think what I would want is a road that has bumps, heartbreaking, some sweepers, and then just a lot of bumpy shit. So I don't know one place, but LA, pretty good. Yeah. I mean, I would say that the pairing of a racetrack and, you know, Angeles Crest Highway and the Angeles Forest is a pretty good place, and that's why most OEMs can be spotted up there once in a while. Yeah. I blow horns. Can you describe how the forces and sensations in the steering wheel and seat change when one fits lightweight, unsprung components like carbon ceramics or carbon fiber wheels? Sure. So you'll have less resistance to start spinning the tires. So when you accelerate, you'll have less mass to get moving. So your acceleration will be snappier and more responsive. You'll also have less inertia going forward when you transfer from throttle to brake at the end of the front straight. And because your wheels and rotating mass is lighter, your brakes have to work less hard to slow that all down. And then you have a gyroscopic effect of your front tires turning in a straight line, and that helps to keep your car going in a straight line. So lighter wheels have less resistance to turning in a direction off of straight. And so it's literally everything about a car gets better. The steering feels lighter because the wheels are lighter, but it's also more eager to turn because you have less gyroscopic effect going forward. The brakes work better because they have less mass to stop. The power guts down better because it has less mass to start. So yeah, you can really feel that kind of stuff. Prayer of the refugee wagon with Montana plates. Right. Do either of you remember the moment that you met? Do you remember what your initial thoughts of one another were and how those thoughts may have changed? Was our first in-person meeting at the barbecue at Redondo? Was that my house? Right. Yeah, you came to my house. I know, but I was saying, did I meet you in person before that? I don't think so. Or did I start writing for the site online? No, I met you over email first. Okay. And then you came to my house. I liked Zach right away. I was like, oh, this guy's fucking cool. Great. I have a friend. I remember you seemed like a very confident adult, and I worked as a server with a bunch of people frozen adolescents. Yeah, because you had a house that you rented, and you seemed to know everybody. You were very much in command of the situation, and you had sideburns. And I was like, oh, this is like a person kind of in charge of shit. You don't have those sideburns unless you really know. And my girlfriend lived with me, so I guess you're like, someone can stand this guy. Tracy was living with us. Yeah. You just seemed like an actual adult. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't seem like a child. But I was like, I like this guy. This is all right. Yeah, friends. Yeah. I was very much, and when I, my first year in California, I was very much like trying to make friends. Like, I would say I'm not doing that anymore. I was. I have so many. Yeah. And even so, I think you meet a lot of new people. Yeah. I mean, we hit it off. And then very soon after you guys were like, do you want to come help on shoots? Because you're insane. Yeah. And that was great. Yeah. Yeah. I would say have thoughts, have thoughts, my thoughts changed. I mean, no, not really. I mean, I don't want to like not have a good answer to that. But like, you don't, you don't stick around for 15 years with somebody unless you like, like them. I agree. Okay, wait. Darian Lux says, can you, all right, with the recent Valhalla video, can you list the seven figure performance cars you've driven? Oh, there's okay. Veyron, Chiron, Koenigsegg, Pagani Utopia, Koenigsegg, excuse me, Agara R, Pagani Utopia, Pagani Wira, Carrera GT 918, Enzo MC12, SSC. Some of the singers, seven figures. Yeah. Every singer except a turbo DLS and that weird Carrera thing that no one's driven yet. All the roofs, everything, everything, no, not the SCR. No, that was 700, 800. Okay. But the roof, the, the, the roofs that are over, whatever, the rodeo is over a million and the twin turbo one is over a million. I'm trying to think. Gunther's close. Gunther, with tax. The Gunther turbo, Gunther turbo is over a million. Yeah. The Zinger. Oh, yeah. The Zinger is over two million. Yeah. The, there must be more. There's definitely more. I can't, I, hmm. Hmm. This is a tough one. That's a lot. That is a lot. McLaren F1, that was not over a million new, but I think it generally falls into what people would refer to as that sort of thing. What are other, are there other, like hypercars that are, that I'm not thinking of? There must be. I'm trying to work my way around. I'm trying to work my way around the quail. No, no. No, Rolto is like, they're like sixes, sevens, but that's crazy, but no. Todd Hill. Oh, oh, 9-11K. Todd Hill, 9-11K. Obviously Valhalla. Yeah, I think that's a lot. Senna. McLaren, Senna. Were those under a million new? Yeah. Okay. They're like 760. All right, but holy trinity cars, I think we can, we can probably put them in the similar, similar vibe. Yeah, that's a bunch, right? I think that's a bunch. Oops, I tapped the table says, congratulations, it's 2002 and you're in charge of casting Jason Statham's vehicle for the transporter. What is he driving instead of what he already was driving? I looked up the first CTS-V was until 04, because that would have been a fun one, but in 2002. I mean, those are, that's a very well-cast thing. Aside, the M5 I think would be too attention seeking. The fact that he has a seven series, it's more under the radar, it's got the small wheels. Well, I think that there's supposed to be livery cars essentially, right? It's like, this is a limousine, you know, and also fast. 2000, you could be, it could be our Nage T, Bentley or Nage T. True, not as subtle, but fast and straight line, but British. GTR, GTST, Skyline, Fordor, yeah, understated, I'll go Chaser. A Chaser, sure. That's kind of, no one will expect that. Got a Lotus Carlton. That also would be, that's what the bad guys would drive to chase you, I think. WCCS is going to have one of those for sale soon. We're selling one on Bat pretty soon. It's really nice. Christian says, what do you think about Rivian partnering with Uber? Did Rivian partner with Uber? What if I missed that? How does Rivian partner to deploy up to 50,000 fully autonomous RoboTaxies? Oh boy. Gold word choice Rivian. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, this is, let's see the story. Uber will invest 1.25 billion through 2031, subject to the achievement of autonomous performance milestones. This is at Rivian.com. Fun. Uber is, or Uber or its fleet partners are expected to purchase 10,000 fully autonomous R2 RoboTaxies with the option to purchase 40,000 more in 2030. Initial commercial deployments for San Francisco and Miami in 2028, scaling to 25 cities through 2031. Is the R2 going to have LIDAR? Yes. Okay. I believe it will be at least LIDAR ready. Yeah. So we'll see. I mean, this is, I don't know how many cars have come out and how that say LIDAR ready. Yeah. We've driven a couple of them. It's all about like getting the cost down and deploying them in the testing. So this is, I mean, 2030 is I think a very bold timeline considering that in this press release they say this all depends on them achieving autonomous performance milestones. Right. So which that tells me that Rivian has not proven yet that they can meet those milestones. Sure. They have to do that and then, you know, they'll sell more cars. But okay. Yeah. And I mean, Rivians are an emotional purchase. Our friend Tim, I would say has a problem with his want to purchase an R2 and it's, he needs, it just needs to be over already. Yeah. He needs to stop talking about it. Yeah. Just ask her out. Just get it. Yeah. Just ask her out. Does it lower the brand value? I mean, listen, not selling cars lowers the brand value and selling 40,000 cars to Uber probably makes Rivian shareholders feel nice, even if it's, even if it's a only if you can make them drive themselves kind of deal. I think I would say that, look, Toyota sells 400,000 RAV4s a year in this country. Does seeing them everywhere lower the brand value and make people not want to buy them? Obviously not. Because they keep selling for her. So if the car is good, seeing them around won't, I think, diminish that value. Well, I'll say that luck. I mean, remember when Lincoln came out with the continental in like 20, whatever it was, 13 to 15 sometime. And I thought it was like a pretty nice car. And then I just saw like 10 of them at the airport as liveries. And I was like, Oh, nevermind. I agree. But I think the difference is that with Uber cars, they look like normal cars with, except for that little sticker, the livery cars, they're all black. They have numbers, the number on the back, and you didn't see them anywhere else. Right. That's true. Crucially, we didn't see them anywhere. I think that's the big thing. Yeah. I think it's, I think it devalues Rivian less than if they said, Rivian is now offering a ride share special where you can, you know, lease it by the week or something. You know, for, for that directly from the company. Yeah, that would probably devalue it more. Blurple says a car selling question. I'm ready to part ways with a car of own since new and I have a few questions. The car is a project that's 90% finished needs interior and repaint. What is the best platform to resell a car that isn't carb legal or able to pass smog? I'm not interested in returning the car to stock. Do I set a reserve that pays off the debt owed? Oh God, he's got a project car with a loan on it. Yikes. Do I let the market determine the price, which is likely less than the debt owed? Or do I try something else to recoup the funds from modding the car? Damn. The obvious, I mean, dude, fuck, debt owed, no interior, no paint. Shit. Really hard. You're, you know, it just means your market is smaller. You need, your market are people who see the dream you had and they think they can complete it. So. Yeah. I mean, selling, what platform to sell a car that isn't carb legal, it doesn't really make a difference. You can sell a car on any platform that's not carb vehicle as long as you say, as they'll say, like, you know, can it be registered and you just know. Right. And it'll say that too, but like, bring a trailer, cars and bids, like they don't go fuck, they'll list it. It just means you're selling to 49 states and people in California will be less likely to buy it. Yeah, or sketchy people. That's 49 states and some sketchy fucking motherfuckers here. Look, here's the thing. You got to run comps for this car. Setting a reserve based on what you need to get is a strategy. I totally get it. That may be totally incongruous with what the market says this car is worth. So like, ask yourself if you auction this car and it doesn't sell and you don't, you don't get the money and you're now stuck with the car because it didn't get to your threshold. Are you happy about that? Or are you annoyed because now you're stuck with the car, but you didn't take less. Or if you go no reserve, send it and you get less than you're owed and you got to write the bank a check, put the cars gone and it's over and you go on your life is which of those scenarios is better. It doesn't sell. You still have the car or it sells and you got to take a little fucking haircut on the loan. So I would, I would add a third option that I know this person said they don't want to do, but if you put it on fraud, exactly right, Zach, you light it on fire, get full coverage. I don't know. I would, I definitely would not suggest that in a public forum. People do it. I was going to say, if you put it up with a reserve that you need and it doesn't get met, that is telling you, you have to put it back to stock. So you right now you say, I don't want to do it. I get it. It's a pain. I don't know how much work has been done on this, but that might tell you no one wants to buy this project. You have to separate it back to a regular car that doesn't have paint, but at least have an interior and shit and then sell that and then sell the parts and then you're still going to lose money. So that's a bummer. I, man, I don't want everyone's situation, but I do not recommend taking your car apart and turning it into a project if you owe money on it. That's a tough place to find yourself. I mean, if you're a business that does, like if you're building a SEMA car, sure. Oh, no, that's not what we're talking about. But as an individual, don't do that. That's hard. Yeah, that's hard. Let's save the rest. It's been a good run. We'll save the rest for the next cruise show. Thank you to our patrons for asking such great questions. We appreciate it. Thank you to everybody else for listening and playing along, and we will see you guys next time. Bye.