Lucius

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. No gloss, no filter. Just stories. Spoken without fear. A person who is not generous cannot be an artist. The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhachow on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. With me here is Sarah Oda. Hello. Hi. How are you? Good, how are you? Can't complain. Really? About anything? No. Because we had an awesome episode today. Yes. With singer-songwriters Jess Wolfe and Holly Lessig, the duo leading the band Lucius. Lucius, I just want to say it over and over. Lucius. Lucius. They are Grammy nominated artists known for their signature harmonies. Lucius, are you quite finished? I'm sorry, go ahead. And they are highly sought after collaborators contributing vocals and songs to projects by Brandi Carlisle, Roger Waters, The War on Drugs, Harry Styles and many more. Like everybody wants to sing with them. Yeah, they're everywhere. They do. They pop up in a lot of places. They are beloved. They're amazing. In this episode, you're going to hear how they kind of approach songwriting as a duo and how they are creative partners and how they arrange their harmonies whenever they work on new music. It's a very unique partnership. I've never really seen anyone who sings together like this. And they've been together for so long. And they just, they sound so amazing together. Yeah, it's like they share a brain or they share two brains. Or a set of lungs. All things. No, they're very distinct individuals, but somehow when they come together musically, it's just it's a very special collaboration. They just know what to do. Yeah. You're going to hear reimagined versions of songs from across their catalog. And also maybe you also will cry like I did. Yeah, I cried rehearsing for it. Yeah. Yeah. You'll see emotions. You'll hear emotions. Please enjoy this episode with the lovely ladies of Lucius. I hope I didn't let you down. Because it's too late to make a change. You lived a hundred lives before me. So self involved to think that I could hold that way. Like a mother to them all. With your arms stretched open wide. I hope you hear that heavens call. I hope they're letting you inside. Oh. You look good like a member. With all that sunshine on your face. I let you sit there without talking. You let me sit there in your shade. Let me dream about the future. All the plans we had to make. I hope I'm wrong about the after. And these are not your final days. Could I say I'm right but I couldn't. I didn't ever. I scared of dying. I could. I didn't ever. So I said it's way in your own true paradise. I didn't have a part so I lied just to not see you cry. Yeah I didn't. I didn't have the heart. The world will go on spinning. Another day another scene. I'll be left with just a memory. Yesterday will be a dream. I'll be looking out there for you. But all they see is empty sky. The space you left reminds me. That we don't have to say goodbye. Could I say I'm right but I couldn't. I didn't ever. I scared of dying. I could. I didn't have a heart. So I said it's way in your own true paradise. I didn't have a heart. I didn't have a part so I said it's way in your own true paradise. I didn't have a heart so I lied just to not see you cry. Yeah I didn't. I didn't have the heart. That was awesome. Yeah that was great. That felt great. Yeah. God you're so powerful. Not bad for 10 in the morning huh? Amazing. I know we both looked at each other like I can't believe you sang like that at 10 in the morning. It's incredible. Thank you. I love that song. It's really epic. It's a journey. Yeah it sort of started the whole record that song. It did. Yeah. Holly had a tree in her backyard. You want to tell the story? Yeah I had it. We had when we had bought our house we had like these two huge we called them dinosaur trees like on either side of the property and that was kind of part of the big part of the reason why we bought the house and then one of them died and then the other one had to be cut down because it also got sick and it was becoming a safety hazard to the houses around it. So I was sitting outside the day before she had to get cut down and I was looking at this tree being like oh no she doesn't know what's coming and that's kind of like where the song started. Wow it's beautiful. I love that. You think it's about something else maybe that's not where you would go with it. Yeah. Simultaneously our guitar player was losing his mom and we had both suffered miscarriages and there was a lot going on in our lives in that moment and it sort of was connective. You choose like a symbol for a lot of things. Yeah yeah. That's really beautiful. It's nice to have music I think to put all that into. For sure. Sometimes you don't even realize it in the moment you know you once the song is done or a collection of songs is done you look and you're like oh wow I really this is this is what I was living. I agree. I agree with that. I have that same thing. Yeah. Yeah you go back and you're like holy crap that's really how I feel. Right. And also because I don't know at least for us when you set out to write about a specific thing it's usually not. Never works. Yeah. What you hope it would be. No. It's always the ones that just come to you. Unfortunately you just can't control it. Yeah. The way you want to. Yeah. Yeah. How do you guys write like historically now has it changed. No it's pretty much I mean there's no real order to it. I mean as a corporation specifically also. Yeah. And one of us might have a lyrical idea or a melodic idea and the other sort of fills in the gap or we'll start from scratch together for this record we actually several of the songs we wrote in the studio with Danny kind of building tracks as we were writing which was at the first time you've done that. Yeah. Really. Yeah. For the most part and. That was great. It was just fun because you could build you know a sonic world as you're building this sort of this sort of spirit and ethos of the song but there's not really a formula. Yeah. Other than just setting aside time. Yeah. Which now is harder with kids. Yeah. But. We do it. I mean. I can't be on the bathtub. Really. Yeah. If I'm in the bathtub that's when I have. We should try that sometime. When they're when they're little they're in the bathroom with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We are good about setting the time though. That's good because we can't we're not the type of people who can write from the road. I don't know how to do that. No. Interesting. Compartmentalizing. Yeah. I know what you mean. I just we can't always even before kids like yeah it's always been like that. It's always been like that. Yeah. Not that we wouldn't collect. We always collect like voice memos and you know journal entries or whatever but not yeah not sitting down to write. We tried and it didn't work. Yeah. There's two different modes. Yeah. Yeah. So this album is you all self produced it with your band. Yeah. Danny our drummer. Can you tell me about your band because it's a real band. It's not just you two. Yeah. It's a real family right like collective. Yeah. And we've been together. Us and Pete and Danny we've been together. I mean Jess and I started Lucius. God like 20 years ago. Really. Yeah. And then we moved and we were in Boston at the time we moved to New York and that's when we kind of linked up with Pete and Danny and put out Wilde Woman and all the records. And Wilde Woman we did mostly ourselves too. And then we worked with other producers and collaborated with other writers even on the last record. And for this one it felt like we wanted to come back to ourselves. Yeah. Ourselves and just working with the guys again in a room. And Danny and Pete are longtime collaborators before knowing us as well. So they were in a band called Elizabeth and the Catapult who was you know like they did a lot and Elizabeth's actually still doing a lot but they each in their own time sort of part of ways from that and Danny and I used to be married. So we started working with him when we were first dating and he brought Pete into the mix. Okay. And then yeah. Yeah. Wilde. And we're still doing it. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Drama free. Actually. Yeah. I love the new album so much. Thank you. It's beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. At that festival and I was like who's this you know and Sasha my bandmate Sasha stops and she's like oh my god you're gonna love it. And you had on the outfits and I was like they look so cool. It's been sort of my dream always to dress like that on stage. But I think because I started out a little more just myself I've never been able to transition to that you know it's hard to like start without it and then add it. Yeah. So you can do it. I don't know man. I don't know. But it's amazing. Thank you. You're a whole vibe. Well in the beginning we do we dress exactly like. And you have the same hair on stage. Yeah I mean we. That's the problem when you start with it. Yeah. You can't undo it. You can't dial it back right. I mean at the time you know we couldn't afford a set and so it was like an automatic set piece and it really is show up to a festival and people are like who's that. Yeah. Because it's sort of weird. Yeah. They either think that we're lovers or sisters or sisters. Yeah. It sort of helped you know solidify a visual connect people to us or at least build a curiosity. It really is a thing and but it's such a cool thing and then you know it's a really cool thing. And then and then when you open your mouth I mean it's just like oh none of that matters because you're amazing. But when you put it all together it's just so cool to have that I think. It's really special. It helps us like get in our uniform and if we're you know having a long day and we're tired like we automatically are sort of transported and hoping other people when they look at us and when they hear us are seeing one unit. What did you see the other day on Tic Tac? Oh I saw one of those like those videos where it's just like make it from 2016 make it from 2025 and send it to just I was like are we 2016? Probably. We're going to be those old ladies like still doing the same makeup routine. Yeah. Yeah. Just wait. I think I'm a little older than you. Just wait. I can't even believe it. I feel so old lately. It's insane. We're embracing. Yeah. All these things. It's got to go with the flow. Totally. It's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we're fabulous. We are fabulous. Hey. It's fine. Eventually 2016 will be back. That's exactly what I said. Right now the early 2000s is back. Just trying for me. Right. Just stick with it. What we're doing. We're going to come back around everyone. Exactly. No gloss. No filter. Just stories. Spoken without fear. Action is a disease and it should be looked upon as any other disease. How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians, and beyond. You don't need to work with the biggest people and the biggest sound to have great music. I have gone through the Saab Siddhi Khachakar. Reach the pinnacle. Stung by the sneaker. I've fallen down again. Yeah. I am not writing actively anymore and when I see my old work it kind of saddens me. I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave. Mom's gone but don't shut the theater. The show must go on. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt Show, and the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty. Stay for the fire. Do you want to try another song from the new album? Yeah. You want to try Borderline? Yeah. I really love this one. It's always funny seeing how new songs come alive. Yeah. Which ones sometimes don't want to work. Yes. Yes. Darn it. This works. Why is it not working and then you find it. Yeah. Yeah. We've had a couple songs like that even on past records that we couldn't figure out for entire tours and then like when we did the Wild Woman Reunion one finally figured out. Hate or hate. Yeah. After a decade. Yeah. We could not do it. Yeah. And actually there's a lot of songs that were you know for whatever reason on record feel really fun and lively and maybe are even the single and then we just can't we can't figure it out live. Yeah. Yeah. Like it just doesn't land for some reason. It's a weird chemistry. Yeah. Yeah. For better or for worse. Again, can't control it. No you can't control it. Although labels haven't been very happy yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was a little jingling. There's a tambourine. Buggit. Buggit. Buggit. Buggit. Buggit. Buggit. Buggit. How did you find each other? How did you find that you can do this as such a tight unit singing? It's such a thing, you know. I think that the singing together was a happy accident. Like, we both wanted to be... We met at school. We met at Berkeley in Boston. And over, you know, there weren't so many ladies at Berkeley, so we had a very tight little girl group. And over wine one night, I don't know, a couple years into school, we were talking about our influences, our musical influences, and we decided we were going to do a white album cover show, but like a girl group style white album cover show. Oh, what a cool idea. Yeah, we've never done it. We never did it. But we did get together and talk and brainstorm, and we started rearranging Happiness is Warm Gun. And then we were just like, let's just write our own tunes. Holly had brought a song. You were already writing. Yeah. Holly, I wasn't writing a ton, but Holly was writing regularly. And I don't know, we got into the studio probably for a class project or something. Yeah, and then ensemble. Ensemble, yeah. And we both wanted to be lead singers, but we wanted to be lead singers together. We didn't want to just sing in harmony, because we reminded ourselves did double their vocals like Elliot Smith. That's right, yeah. And obviously, Wall of Sound, Phil Spector, those recordings, all about the doubling of vocals, but we're like, oh, we can do this live. That's so cool. So that's kind of where it started. And I would say that the mix, our vocal sound, sort of just, it was sort of a happy accident. It did just become one voice sort of instantaneously. But yeah, we were lucky. That's really cool. I mean, just to want to do that together and to have done it now for so long together and to have developed such a sound. And we spent a lot of time nurturing the craft before we put ourselves out there, too. I think, yeah, I think we were seeing a lot of people lose a lot of money on the road before they had anybody showing up for them. And we couldn't do that. And we didn't know what our sound was yet. And there were a lot of artists that we had started listening to, Little Dragon and Boney there. And they were coming on the scene and we were super excited. I don't know, just to explore. And that's so smart. Did a bunch of bar four open mics every week. Here in Boston. It was in Brooklyn. Yeah, you were here for a long time. Yeah, seven years, which felt like a lot longer. And now almost eight years. Yeah, if you're in your 20s, I feel like seven years is forever. Yeah. And then we now we've been in LA for over 10 years. So. Oh, wow. Which is that feels crazy. That is crazy. We just gave it the time that it needed before we really put ourselves out there. And I think that that's pretty great. That's the way the lack of pressure. But the consistency in honing, I think, was what really helped us find ourselves. Well, it's so interesting because your voices are so beautiful. And there's just a thing. You could sing anything and it's just a thing. But then the songs are so good. I'm really, really. I think your songwriting is amazing. Thank you. And the songs are I'm always like, damn, that's a good song. Damn, that's a good song. It's like every one of them. So it's so special when everything just comes together. You know, so congrats on that. Yeah, it's beautiful. I love this song, two of us on the run. This is sort of a crowd favorite, you were saying. Yeah. This is off World of Women, our first record. Yeah. So it's an oldie, but a goodie. Do you do it in every show? Yeah. Yeah. Do you end with it? A lot of times we end with it. Yeah. On our first tours, like in our first tour cycle of our first record, we used to go in the crowd. We played a lot of small clubs, and especially when we went to Europe and everything, it was like really small, little cool, divey clubs. And we'd always go into the middle of the crowd and do this song. Wow. Like all of us would just go right in the middle without mics or anything. No mics at all? Yeah. And just do that song. And now we do that still sometimes, obviously with amplification now, but it's fun. We try and do it when we can. That's fun. Yeah. People cry. Yeah. Well, I gotta tell you a story. Yesterday I was going through all the songs. I was down here, had my headphones on, learning, making sure I know them well enough to do this. And I got like halfway through this song and I started bawling. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Full disclosure. So. I think that means I'm gonna keep it together today. I already got it out, but. Let it out. There is like such an emotion in this song. And yeah, I get why it's a crowd favorite. Yeah. So that happened. Yeah. Yeah. How we cried on stage once during this song. Really? It was the first time we played a sold out show in your hometown. Yeah. It wasn't because I was feeling like sentimental. It was because I was feeling incredibly anxious. I was overwhelmed, right? You know, it's so funny. You were just thinking about the after show. Everyone judging you. Hometown shows are impossible. Yeah. Where's your hometown? Cleveland. Okay. And where's yours? Los Angeles. Oh, really? So you're kind of back home now. Back home now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm from Dallas and every time I play there, I have a panic. I have like a nervous breakdown. And my mom invites all these people to the show that didn't even know about it. That didn't even maybe want to come, but she's like invited them. Yeah. It's like a whole thing. Well, you know. Yeah. You can't blame her. No, it's nice. It's very nice. It's just, it's overwhelming. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it does sort of stir up, you know, sort of feel like you're revisiting things. Totally. Yeah, it like drags your whole childhood. Yeah. Nobody needs to do that. No. No. No gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear. Addiction is a disease and it should be looked upon as any other disease. How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians and beyond. You don't need to work with the biggest people and the biggest sound to have great music. I have gone through the sub-CD hutchaker. Reach the pinnacle. Stung by the sneaker, I've fallen down again. Yeah. I am not writing actively anymore and when I see my old work, it kind of saddens me. I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave. Mom's gone, but don't shut the theater. The show must go on. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt show on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. I love hearing these songs this way. Yeah, okay, good. We don't get to do that. Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah, if you're into it, it's a fun change. Yeah. You have to change up. Absolutely. Do you play guitar or? We play keyboards mostly on stage. Yeah. Synthesizer, Melotron and Moog bass and Holly plays. Gino and Nord. I knew that you played a lot of synth stuff and I was like, I don't have a big synth collection for them. That's why I was gonna bring something in if you wanted it. But um. No, I like this. Yeah, this is nice. I'm not synthy knowledgeable. I don't know anything about synths. Matt knows a lot, but our engineer. But I was gonna have him like provide. This is so much better. Yeah, I like this. When you write, do you write on keys? Mostly. Yeah, some guitar too. Okay, good. But just like for writing. For performing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, I started playing guitar probably when I was 25. So, and I still stink, but I do it. I've been taking a guitar solos live. Which is cool. It's a tightrope walk. I'll tell you. Any audience member can tell you. It keeps you feeling alive. It's actually really fun. And my bass player plays guitar. So he gives me a lesson before the show every night. Awesome. It's awesome. Who's your band now? Right now it's Brian Blade on drums. Oh my gosh. And Josh Lutanzi on bass. Is there anyone nicer than Brian Blade? No. No, that's true. I'm such a fan and I used to go to his shows at like Smalls and 55 Bar or whenever he was playing in New York. We probably cross paths. I'm sure. And we did this Joni Mitchell. She was getting the Gershwin honor in DC. And he was in the band. And God, I mean, I was like starstruck. And he's just as kind as humanly possible. And just a hero. I mean, a total legend. Faye, my first time I saw him play, I was 16. I went to see him at a jazz club with Josh Redman. And I've been a fan since. Still a fan. That is a cool. That is an awesome band right there. And I have Sasha singing, Sasha Dobson and Sammy Stevens. So it's the first time I've had real dedicated female harmonies because everyone in my band's always kind of saying and chimed in. But to have that strong, ooh, you know, like, it's really fun. Yeah. It's been super fun. Awesome. It's really cool. We toured with some of people who've played with you. Gus. Gus and Joey. And Joey. Yeah. Gus Seifer and Joey Wanker. So you guys did the Roger Waters tour with them. Was that like years? I was like three years. Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot. With luscious in between. OK. Enough breaks to sort of do your own thing. Yeah, sort of. But then pandemic hit like the year after. So it was sort of elongated time away. Gotcha. But expected elongated time away. But what an experience to do all those arena tours. Oh my god, it was wild. It was epic. But with a pretty great group of people, sounds like a little bit of a family vibes. Totally. Absolutely. And we were very adventurous, all of us together. I would say that in a unique way that we were always looking for things to do and places to go. Otherwise, that's when people get bored, when they never leave their hotel room. And a lot of times we were in the same city for weeks. The production was so big, it would take a long time for the whole thing to travel to the next city. So we would have days off in Europe and Brazil and all these places. So we would go. That's crazy. Adventuring, it was really cool. So cool. Yeah, sounds like a cool experience. And everybody was down for the most part, almost always. So we really had, yeah, it was a special time. That's great. I remember Joey always being pretty down. And Gus, definitely. We had a pretty epic Halloween once in London. We all dressed up and slowly realized that nobody in London dresses up. So we were like the only weirdos in town. I was dressed like a dead farm boy. Gus was amazing. He dressed up. He was Sherlock Holmes. Gus was Sherlock Holmes. Yes. In London. I could see that. It was hilarious. And he's like so tall. And Joey was a Frenchman. He had a mustache and a mega and a striped shirt and a beret. And I don't know where my pictures are, but there's pictures somewhere. You're going to have to show this. And Nigel came and hung out. Did not dress up, of course. Of course. Well, he's English. But we had a great time. That's amazing. That was fun. Good times. MUSIC There are two us on the run. MUSIC Going so fast. Ever doubt we had. There's come an undone in. Falling behind when everything we left there We held on for far too long And now we've passed so many people on the road They could come along, I wish they had been told in They may call it a shot in the dark From what we know, it's not under it all And with a one day tell our story Oh well, we're in something of self's love Our favorite parts are what we'll keep Ornamental parts of love and parts of memory So everything else has room to grow Cause in better life, everything changes So we can one day tell our story Oh well, we make something of ourselves now Oh well, oh well There's no risk, there's only you running Just keep one foot in front of the other There's no risk, there's only you running Oh well, oh well One, two, three And even when you get tired Just keep one foot in front of the other There's no risk, no ending inside No second to show them in or to tell Turn on the lights when you leave Cause we are everything we're gonna need We're on the run, we're on the run, we're on the run child We gotta run, we gotta run, we gotta run child One day tell our story Oh well, we make something of ourselves now One day tell our story Oh well, we make something of ourselves now No gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear Addiction is a disease and it should be looked upon as any other disease How did you cope with a reckless father like me? Join me, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians and beyond You don't need to work with the biggest people and the biggest sound to have great music I have gone through this sub-CD hachakar Reach the pinnacle, stung by the sneaker and I've fallen down again Yeah, I am not writing actively anymore and when I see my old work it kind of saddens me I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave Mom's gone but don't shut the theater, the show must go on Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt show on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Come for the honesty, stay for the fire Wow, this has been so fun Just a quick question about singing Do you always take the high note, Jess? Or do you guys switch? You swap all the time I couldn't really focus because I was so focused on the piano You were low on this one? But yeah, we are always... Yeah, final days you're higher I'm higher Slippity floppy Yeah, and Desti we switch in the middle A lot of times we'll switch in the middle, I'll take the lower on the verse and then the higher in the chorus because I have more of a masky, belltier sound in my upper register and Holly's got more of a soprano, classic soprano You just kind of swap it up to see what sounds best Yeah, just for the right dynamic That's cool Alright, one more dork singer question Yeah We like dork Someone broke down our song recently and we're like, wow I never thought about it That's what's happening, okay I'm not a singer-y singer, I don't think about this stuff sometimes but I think people who listen might be curious Number one, do you like tea? Yes, she loves tea Holly's a crepe, I'll do it Coffee all day Coffee, okay Cool You're not a tea before you sing, kind of, it's not a ritual Well, I'm a tea gal Just in general In general Yeah, I've always been Ice tea, hot tea, herbal tea, all of the teas Occasional tea before singing, but not like a definite ritual And do you do warm-ups like every single time? Not every single time Interesting Sorry Rob I'm sure about it Because you're singing, I mean, these songs and a lot of your material is, it's very... I would find it really difficult without warming up Yeah, I, as I've gotten older I'm more diligent about it because, and with lack of sleep with baby I can go horse So I, and I am carrying like a heavy load with the belting So I just, I have to honour that And I'm pretty good about it, at least straw phonation and then always a cooldown What is that? I've never heard that word Really? No It's a straw Okay And in like a cup of water And you're basically stretching your vocal cords with the straw in your mouth Oh, and you're singing into it? It's pretty low impact But it's, yeah, you're not really singing into it At first, yeah, at first there's a little bit of vocal fry Okay And then Side note, you should watch this YouTube video Oh my god About vocal fry? Yes, what's the guy's name? He said, it'll come to me Is he making, he's being serious about it, right? Yes But it's very funny Yeah, I do, I have like a, I do a warm up, usually before sound check Yeah And then I do like just a really quick warm up before the show And then like a seven minute ritual after the show You do warm down Before, always warm down I've never done that Okay, I think that's what saves me more than anything Really? Yes Okay And I think, especially before talking to people Oh smart Because the talking is what really wears me out Yeah, bars are off limits on tour Absolutely Yeah And I don't, I almost never drink Loud, that's great Yeah, I mean I Loud restaurants are impossible Yes Yes That's why like sushi usually works out It's quiet We used to sell our own merch after all of our shows And that killed me the first tour Oh, just talking to everybody, yeah Interesting That was weird Yeah I mean considering how much we did it Mm-hmm But we couldn't do that now Yeah Yeah, it's a lot It's a lot Well, it's all a lot and you're going on tour Are you gonna do a big tour this year for the new album? Yeah, we just got off our first leg Okay And that was great And you're bringing all the kids and everything We have two of three Okay Holly's youngest and my baby And That's fun and also a lot All of the things Yeah, it's all They're mostly sweets Yeah No, it's great But you just multitasking your butts off Yeah The hard part is just sleep Honestly, sleep is what kills your voice The lack of sleep So But he's such a good happy boy And it's so nice to have them around It's fun to have them together And they're gonna grow up together And it's a really special thing Yeah, yeah Yeah, it's super sweet When they get old enough Are you on a bus? Mm-hmm My kids are obsessed with the bus Yeah The bunks are just so fun They sleep pretty well considering Yeah I mean, it's like a big sound machine Yeah, exactly It's a giant sound machine Yeah, and it's moving, that's right Mm-hmm Yeah Well Hopefully they continue to like it Yeah Well, I think if you get amused to it, it's like anything Yeah It's just gonna be the norm Yeah Yeah Exactly I hope you have a great tour Another look at you It's through the pouring rain Woman I see you searching for the answer In another universe And you're a world away Oh Meet me in the place Of no goodbye I'll be there You can't miss me Meet me in the place Of no goodbye I'll be there You can't miss me Woman We wanted to have everything Well, maybe not to this degree Is this the epigene? Woman Such a painful thing to see My beauty's told to crouch and leap In the gloomy Love Meet me in the place Of no goodbye I'll be there You can't miss me Meet me in the place Of no goodbye I'll be there You can't miss me Oh Meet me in the place Of no goodbye I'll be there You can't miss me Meet me in the place Of no goodbye I'll be there You can't miss me Woman I say I'm gonna leave tonight Don't let me go without a fight You know I wanna stay Woman The court is wearing down to nothing And love is rolling down your face As you float away As you float away As you float away As you float away As you float away, as you float away, as you float away As you float away No Gloss, No Filter, Just Stories, Spoken Without Fear In May, Pooja Bhatt, as I sit down every week with directors, actors, musicians, technicians and beyond. You don't need to work with the biggest people and the biggest sound to have great music. I have gone through the Saab Siddhi Khachakar, reached the pinnacle, stung by the sneaker and I've fallen down again. I am not writing actively anymore and when I see my old work it kind of saddens me. I'm only as good as the last shot that I gave. Mom's gone but don't shut the theatre. The show must go on. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhatt Show on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. Thanks for joining us. That was fun. They're great. They're so good. Amazing. Amazing. Incredible singers and it was fun. I love their songwriting, don't you? Yeah, like that's why I was crying. I know. That the third song, that was the one that really got me. Me too. Two of us on the run. Well, the first song we did was Final Days from the self-title album Lutius which came out in 2025. Second song we did was called Borderline from that same album. The third song where me and Sarah cried was called Two of Us on the Run from Will the Woman, released in 2013. And the fourth song called Woman from Nudes in 2018. God, I love that song too. Wama! So deep. So powerful. I know. It's so good. Special thanks to Lutius for joining us today. Thank you. And we'll be back next week with my old friend, one of my oldest friends, an incredible songwriter, Richard Julian. Nora Jones is Playing Along is a production of I Heart Podcasts. I'm your host, Nora Jones. This episode was recorded by Matt Maranelli. Video by Heckmore Media. Mixed by Jamie Landry. Additional video and video editing by Kay Loggins. Audio post-production and mastering by Greg Tobler. Artwork by Eliza Fry. Photography by Shervin Lenez. Produced by Nora Jones and Sarah Oda. Executive producers Aaron Wong-Coffin and Jordan Runtog. Marketing lead, Queen Aniki. Thanks for listening. Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Bhachow on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire.