E1121 - Running Point w/ Jay Ellis, Boz Calls Out Andy, Dorit Loses Her Mind & Men Over Money

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She's hilarious. And she has a lot to say about some of your favorite bravo shows, including The Summer House, Gamanda scandal. Rhode Island is pop. It's a great show. I'm so glad you're here finally. It's really, really. That was a really great episode. Yeah. All the characters. Doll party, masks, accents. I take back anything I ever said about Jo Ellen and her mom. Thank you. That was hardcore. Hard to watch. Also, the Beverly Hills reunion part two, also very, very good. I've been saying they never left. I think Amanda Ait, I think Bo's kind of looked a little silly. We'll get into it later this episode. I think Doreed has completely, she's off her rocker. She's kind of on her mean girl. According to Doreed, being a friend, you deserve a medal for just not sharing your friends, personal information. Personal information that is very sensitive. Yeah. To Doreed, she's like, well, it's part of our jobs. When Andy was like, how did you feel about putting them in that position? Doreed was like, yeah, how did you feel about putting us in that position? So much to get into. Obviously, we'll talk about it later this episode. But before we get to all things Rally TV, we do have Jay Ellis, a very talented actor. He's in a lot of stuff. He's been in Top Gun too. He's in Running Point. He's promoting Running Point on Netflix. Insecure. He is with us to talk about Running Point. He is with us. We're very excited to have Jay with us. So lots to get into. I had a wonderful weekend. Not even before the weekend. I got to take my daughter on a trip. We, yeah, just me and Riv. First time. How was it? Your first? We went to the lake. Well, we have twins coming up. I've heard. Yeah. And we're seeing. It's getting to that time. It's getting close. Obviously, we have a crazy life and we're trying to prep for it. Obviously, Nelly can't fly as much these days. I'm very picky, choosy with my life. You know, it's like, if we have one in a few days, I won't be taking one now. Yeah. Unfortunately, we are just required to get on some planes now and then. And so, if Nelly doesn't have to fly, she's not going to fly. And we just obviously haven't been able to get to the lake lately. So I was like, you know what? Well, Nelly was like, why don't you go to the lake? I encouraged. She encouraged. And I was like, you know what? I want to take River. And it was like, I don't know, is this going to work out because like River and Nelly are just like. Tight. Tight. They're homies. Besties. And now, Riv and I are cool. Yeah. But it was like, how is she going to be? Just with you. Just with me. And it was awesome. It was like, I recommend it to any of the dads out there to have any quality time with obviously their kids specifically. But even as two years old, it was River. Like she, it's a weird feeling when you have your kid make you feel like she made me feel like that I make her feel safe. And like she was just so hype. I've, you know, like River and I are close and obviously like I'm dad. But like when mom's not around, I could tell that River was always very aware of where I was. And that's a really, it was a cool feeling. You know, like we were, I felt like mom. You are mom. It was a lot of fun. And she crushed it. Maybe dad can be mom. Not going anywhere, guys. Wait, what did you guys bond over? What do you mean? Like at the lake, what did you do? Well, the boat wasn't, it was boats coming in next week. So we didn't, we couldn't go boating, but we just, I don't know, played around the yard and we looked at, looked for fishes, you know. She's talking more and more. So obviously like I, I've, I've trained her to now anytime she's around water to say be careful. Cause I'm always like, be careful, be careful, be careful. And now then we would go back out on the dock and she's like careful data, careful. All right. 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Everyone's met Tommy. Yeah. He knows everyone. Tommy and I go to Tommy. Yeah, he knows Tommy. Yeah, I don't tell Tommy. Well, we are excited to have you. I've been following your career for a long time now and it's cool to see it get bigger and bigger. And yeah, I'm a fan and you've been in such cool stuff, like Top Gun 2. Yeah. That was so cool. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. Running point you have now, but you're in a lot of great stuff. And yeah, so it's just exciting to have you on, man. Thanks, man. It's exciting to be here. It's been a wild career. It's wild. How did you get started in all this? Oh, man. The quick, I'll give you the long quick, the quick long, however it goes. Moved to LA. I'm for sure going to be the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I'm a thousand percent positive. I take a job. I literally thought that someone was just going to find me on the streets. Like, I just want to start there. Like, literally, I thought that that's how it was going to happen. I take a job in Beverly Hills at a gym called Sports Club LA that is directly under then Endeavor. Before Endeavor bought William Morris, the agencies. And my thought was that some agent was going to come in in the morning, see me and be like, oh my God, dude, where you been? I got all the jobs for you. Like, let's go get it. You're here. I'm here. And how long ago is this, by the way? This is, oh, 20, on 22 years ago. It was a long time ago. And I had the, my job was the gym opened at 5 a.m. And my job was to be there at 5 a.m. And they used to have locker keys and you would give people locker keys. There would be days where like, I hadn't brushed my teeth yet. I for sure didn't shower. I was going to shower once I got to work and forgot. And so like, there was no way in the world that any of these agents were at all interesting. We were going to offer him that leading part, but his breath was horrible. And so that doesn't work out. I end up going, this is another story that I won't go as crazy deep into, but I end up going to a party with a friend of mine who I had grown up with, who had moved here and who was acting, was dating a very famous, still very famous woman. And it was a big birthday party for her. It was an all white party. And I decided to wear all white and a camouflage jacket just to stick out. I'm randomly, I had a few drinks and I'm telling this story about what it was like to live in a model house because I lived in a model house for a little bit with 16 dudes. And I was explaining that and this agent walks up and he's like, Hey, are you an actor? And I was like, I'm an actor. I'm in LA. What do you mean? And he was like, I want you to bring your head shot, your resume coming to my office next week. I want you to meet my team. I would love to just talk to you about what you're doing. I go in the next week. I don't have a head shot. I had modeled. So I had like basically like cobbled together a bunch of like pictures. I typed up every job I had had since high school, which included old Navy athletes, like, wow, you're like, wow, you're like, I was stocking jeans. I was on the headset. So he literally like looks at me. I go to his office. He slides all this stuff. I slide all this stuff across the desk. He looks up at me and he goes, you have no idea what you're doing. Do you? And I go, no, but I swear if you give me a chance, I will figure it out. Guy hip pockets me and I say this to this day. My career, I am here because of this guy. He hip pockets me. I go out on a bunch of auditions. I'm absolutely horrible. I had never taken an audition class. I would literally be looking directly into the lens while I was auditioning. Casting directors would be laughing at me. I thought I was bringing levity to a very dark dramatic scene. That's not what was happening. They were embarrassed for me. He at some point ends up, he gives me a list of places to take headshots and a list of places to take acting class. Six, seven months later, he calls me. He drops me. He's like, this isn't working out, not getting feedback, whatever, whatever. I'm like, I don't want to be a broke star of an artist driving across LA, getting parking tickets, auditioning for people and they don't get my art, whatever. I don't care about them. So I go and get a job. I work for a couple of years. I work for like the next three or four years and I was working for this retail company and I was the West Coast regional manager for this retail company. Retail is very transient. So I worked up a very, I worked my way up very, very fast. I'm a rising star. You had all of that background. Crazy, right? Oh, maybe. Okay. So I was like literally my territory was Chicago to Texas to Hawaii and I had 11 stores and like $35 million worth of business and like 120 employees that I was with. And my boss calls me. I was the only person that she had hired. She was based out of New York at the time. I was the only person that she had hired since she'd been there and she goes, Hey, I just got let go. You're probably going to get let go too. It's a European company and she was like, they're coming for us. And a week later, I got fired. And the entire time I could think about is like, I had moved to LA to act, but I was afraid of rejection. I was afraid of the process. I was afraid of the journey. And if there was ever a time for me to like, go do it and not have the regret of not trying, this was the time to not be a coward, essentially. And she just said, at least I tried. And so I gave myself like a two or three year timeline. And in that two or three years, I went to class, I studied like not I would beg my acting coach to just sit in on her other classes. And then I would perform once a week in my class. I worked overnight. I stocked at target for a little bit because you could get part time if you worked 17 hours used to be able to get health insurance. I had a day job that was like, I could pop in and out for auditions. It was crazy. Finally, I started auditioning. I started testing at a really high level, which is where they narrow it down to just a couple people for the job. I book a pilot. It doesn't get picked up. I book another pilot. It doesn't get picked up. I book another pilot. I get recast by the late great James Vanderbeek, rest in peace. And I end up booking the show called The Game after like eight or nine auditions. And that was it. That from there, I was just kind of off to the race. That's incredible. Long story. That's a great story. That's a great story. That's awesome. In Running Point, you play Jay Brown. Yeah. Is it like a breath of fresh air when you hear that your character's name is the same as your name? No, it's so confusing. It's so confusing. I remember when I called me, Ike Barron Holtz, one of the creators on the show called me and he was like, Hey, so me and Mindy and Dave, we're working on this show and we just sold it to Netflix and it's with Genie Buss. It's about, you know, it's an office comedy about a family that owns a team. And there's a coach in there. And I was like, well, it's a basketball show. Of course there is. And he was like, it's Coach Jay. And I was like, Oh, cool. And he's like, we want you to play Coach Jay. And I was like, okay, yeah, but you don't have to name him. Yeah. But you know, I'm an actor, right? I could end up being someone else. You could call me. I've been called a lot of things actually. But it is confusing sometimes. It's fun. It's nice. But it is, I will say it is confusing. Sometimes it's speaking and when you're in interviews speaking and someone says, well, Jay did. And it's like, well, which Jay? Are we talking about ourselves in third person? Or and yeah, nobody wants to be the third person. No one wants to be the first guy, but you're not because you're just doing your job. But it's just true. I hope people understand. I get it. So what was that pit, that phone call that? I mean, was that it? Was he like, it was it? I mean, first of all, I absolutely adore all the three of them. Ike and Dave and I had worked together on History of the World part two, which they had rebooted and brought back as like a limited series. And that was an absolutely amazing experience. And Ike and I had known each other before we had gone to a couple Tommy dinners before actually is where we initially met. And then we started going back and forth on a movie that he wrote. And, you know, he was always like, we're going to work together. We're going to work together. And so when he called me, it was very flattering. And then, you know, talking to Mindy, like I love Mindy. I think Mindy's, you know, heart and sensibility when it comes to comedy is so pure. And there's so few voices out there. There's no voice like hers. But I think there's so few people who understand that comedy should be comedy. And it can have heart. But at the end of the day, we're here to like laugh and make people feel good. And so I was just, I was in. And did they tell you upfront that you would be K Hudson's love interest or was that something you learned later on? Yeah, that was, that was a part of the phone call. Yeah, that was a part of the phone call. They did tell me that. And I was like, are you sure? There's nobody else. And they were like, well, it's going to be a thing with you and Max, which Greenfield was, I was like, well, everybody loves Max. So clearly Max is going to win. I love Max. Max is going to win. I'm choosing Max. I'm choosing Max. Honestly, I think you and Max Greenfield are like a really good like, like Sophie's choice type of situation. You're just like, I don't know. It's, it's, it was fun. I mean, so they explained the whole thing about, you know, he's going through this divorce and she's now into coming into her power and coming into like taking ownership of this thing that she's really great at, which is running this team and knowing basketball, like she starts to question other things in her life. And so in coach Brown, as a guy who's been through all these kinds of trials and tribulations on his own, when he was playing basketball, he's kind of the one person she can go to that is kind of like grounded while, while going through this process. And that creates a thing. And I was like, oh, that's cool. That's, that's really cool. Kate Hudson, huh? Okay. I guess like, you know, she's up and coming. Yeah. Any minute now, she's going to be a star. So yeah, that was, that was it. Wow. That's wild. That's wild. And I imagine once, once you get on set, she's, this is like a chill and normal as like, is there a little bit of starstruck ever as you've accelerated your career, you obviously have been working with bigger and bigger names. What, what does that experience like? Yes, funny. I think I'll speak generally. And then I'll go to Kate. I think generally, you're always so excited because you love the work that someone has done and maybe the kind of artistry and the pride in which they've, you know, gone out and created the career for themselves that they have. You all, you know how hard it is in this industry, but you're still very like, I think excited by that. I'm very much a fan of a lot of people still, even when I work with them. And then, you know, people talk and then that goes away sometimes. You know, people, people say something. Never meet your heroes. And then it's like, you're like, oh man. You're a person. You're a person. Just be my dream. But there's some people like, you know, I say this about like Tom Cruise, for example, with Top Gun, like was everything and more that you expected and wanted? Like, it was absolutely such an amazing experience. And I think Kate is that too. I think the, the amazing thing about Kate is the ease at which she moves through. And that's not to say that like she takes her work not seriously or anything like that. But I think this her, the kind of like fun and easiness and confidence that just like oozes from her like really ripples through our set. And so everyone feels that and she looks everybody in the eye and she talks to everybody and she's cracking jokes and she laughs at herself and she's singing or dancing. Like, and you're like, oh, this is a human. And like, but the best kind of human to like go to work with. Yeah, you have person and you have human and you're like, man, I love all 360 degrees of you. This is great. And so that's, that's, that's cool. That's what working with her is like. That's awesome. Did you grow up watching Tom Gunn as a kid? I did. My dad was in the Air Force. So I had, yeah, we watched all the aviation movies. I mean, obviously I wasn't in the movie, but I saw it in the theater and I was just, it was so nostalgic watching it. And it was like, I've never felt, had so much fun with an audience. Obviously Tom's big on liking people back in the theaters. It was like, it was a really cool movie to see in the theaters. Like, well, I mean, how was that just to be on that set in that movie with like what one of the most iconic now franchises, but just that movie was such a big part of so many people's childhood. Like how kind of meta was that? I mean, meta beyond meta. I remember the first time we drove onto a base, they put us all on the plane together. This is amazing. It was the same week as Burning Man. And so we flew from LA to Reno. And we were the only people not going to Burning Man on the plane. Like all the burners were ready. Like they were getting off the plane ready to start the party. Scarfs were intact. Scarfs, hats, you name it, everything. Oh, shirts that like were buttoned at the naval and you're like, why are you even wearing it? It's a deep V. And then they see Tom is Tom Cruise. He's not, he's not with us. It's the cast at this point. And a bunch of us were together and we were all meeting each other for the first time in the airport, some of us. And we all fly to Fallon, which is where Top Gun is. And we drive on this base. And I remember driving through security, the security gates to go on the base. And it was a flash to my childhood, because I had to do that every single day to go to school. And so it was just such a like, oh yeah, you pull your like as I'm pulling up, I'm like, yeah, you pull your idea and everyone else is like, wait, what do we do? We have to, and I'm like, yeah, you just pull your idea out. They're going to look at your idea and then we're going to go on the base and then they're going to take us wherever we're going to go. But it was just such a like warm. Yes, just so ingrained in me, but it was also such a warm part of my childhood. It made me feel like, you know, I think familiarity does that in a lot of ways. So that was that, that part of it was cool, just driving through the base, seeing the movie theater, seeing the bowling alley, seeing the grocery stores, like bringing back all of those memories for myself, then getting in a jet. Absolutely bonkers. Like we had trained for it for so long. And no matter how much you trained for it, the experience of sitting in an F 18 for the first time, and the 100th time is one of the most exhilarating. Your adrenaline is just, I used to, I would stop drinking water at like five PM the day before I flew. And I would get on the plane the next morning at like six or seven AM. And my adrenaline would be racing so much that I'd be like, I got to go to the bathroom. I'm not going to make the flight. I'm not going to make the flight. Did you get they have a bag? You pull a bag out, you tie the bag up, you put it in your pocket on the side of your flight suit. But the whole experience was amazing. And then you're making a movie with Tom Cruise, who's so giving of his time. And like, you know, I'm looking at Tom and I'm like, you know, to your point, this movie, the original was such a huge part of so many people's lives. Naima, Tom Cruise movie that hasn't been a part. Right. So then I'm like, Oh, Jerry McGuire, like, Oh man, a few good men. Oh, like you're literally just all these of interview with a vampire, like all these things, days of thunder are just ripping through your head. And the cool thing about Tom is like, he's always like, if we're not working, if we're not on set, because that should be when we're on set, our focus should be making this movie the best we possibly can. Like he's like, Yeah, ask me questions. You want to know what it was like the first time that I, you know, sat down across from Jack Nicholson and read a few good men, like I'll tell you that story. Like he it was such a crazy experience. How does your wife celebrate you when you obviously have these big accomplishments? Are y'all like watching them together? Are you going to the theater? What is how do you feel like celebrated? Well, she goes to all my premieres, for sure. Whether she wants to or not. She knows she goes to all my premieres. That's really interesting. I think there's these protein almond butter balls that I that she makes and I absolutely love them. Like they are my like snack. They're my lunch. They're my dinner. My pick me up. And I will say that like, she she always finds time to align making these things right around like a career thing happening, whether that's like a premiere or whether that's like good news that like your show got picked up whatever it is. There's always a bucket of them just sitting in the fridge right and it makes me so happy. Like I'm such a simple. I don't need champagne. I don't need a dinner. Like I'm a very simple bag with some protein balls. I met at a bar. Yeah, man. Remember when people used to do that? How long goes that? Exactly. 12 years now, 11 years, 11, 12 years now, a buddy of mine was in town from the Bay Area and another friend, a really good friend of mine who was also a good friend with this guy from the Bay. Anyway, we all go to dinner together. We're out of place. My buddy sees her walk in and is like, Oh, there's my friend, I'm going to go talk to her. And I was like, yo, who is that? And I made the joke that I'm going to marry her, but it was purely a joke because he told me there was no way I had a shot. And I was like, bro, I'm going to marry her. And years later, it actually, it actually happened. That's awesome. Was he at your wedding? He was our efficient. Very, very nervous, but he did a good job. And you have two kids, right? Two kids. How old are they? Six and almost two. Yeah. Boys, girls, a six year old girl. And a two year old 21 month old boy. Yeah, it's fun. What's a one bit of dating advice you're going to give your daughter? I know you're a few years away. One bit. Yeah, you guys aren't there yet, but there's this thing that's happening. There's this thing happening really early. My daughter's in kindergarten and she came back and she's like, so I'm going to marry, I'm not going to say the boy's name. And I was like, I'm sorry, you're going to do what? And she was like, well, me and another friend decided that we're going to marry him. And I'm like, the three of y'all decided that all three of you guys are in on this. I just want to make sure you understand. I don't know what happened in kindergarten. I remember her name still. Do you? She moved in the first grade. It broke your heart. Just we were crushed. Yeah. All the boys rubs up. We all liked her. That's all. All right. So, so I think a thing happened where they were talking about boundaries and the boundary conversation went to, well, who can you do that with? Well, you can do it with your girlfriend or your husband or your wife or your partner. And I think that's when all the kids were like, well, I love you. You're my husband. Yeah. I think that's how it started. I don't know what the dating advice would be. I don't know. I would say, I mean, I do have a thing about like, if he looks in the mirror as much as you. Yeah. Okay. That's good. That's good. That's good. We obviously, we have a two year old girl and then I'm pregnant with two more girls. So, we don't know what it's like to have a boy. What has been like the biggest difference between girl and boy? Boys are bonkers. Bonkers. Absolutely crazy. And I love my son, but he's so dumb. Like he's so basic. Like he loves literally, we, on Thursdays, we stand on our street and just watch garbage trucks. Yeah. It makes him so happy. That makes him so happy. My daughter at two years old could literally lay on the floor and just color. Yeah. And like, she wasn't coloring in the lines. She wasn't, you know, are you there? Well, yes. I mean, I'm so impressed with our daughter and then we'll go to the playground and then we'll meet like little boys her age. And I'm like, what is wrong with that? I used to say the same thing and I love him so much, but it's so amazing. And it's like, advanced. It's such a different pace. It's such a different pace. It's so crazy. And it's just so wild, but he's very, very basic. Like he wants his food. He wants his trucks. He wants his bottle. He wants his mom. That's it. Like he's very, very, very basic. Anything else you try to throw at him, he does not care about. He does not want. He does not want to be entertained with anything else. My daughter, you could like put a picture book in front of her and she would flip it. Like she thought, you know, like she was reading. She was checking out the pictures. She would color. She would like, you know, once she got to talking and like once we did put her in school, she would come home and she would set her dolls up and she would talk to her dolls. Like she was teaching them. He's so far from all of those things. He's so, so far. And he's just destructive. Like he jumps off the couch. He tries to run down the stairs and he can't even walk down the stairs. He's, he will try, like he's just, he'll try to jump out of your arms if you're carrying it. He's just wildly destructive. And like, how did you prepare for that? Obviously you had this just. You know what's funny? We put gates up. We did not put gates up with my daughter. Seriously, we did not put them up. You're like those leashes that he's in. Yeah, where he's in this. We had to move his bed. We had to move his, um, he's very tall. Both my kids are very, very tall. But he kept trying to crawl out of it, like jump out of his crib. And, and so we lowered it. And then he was, I will say he was smart enough to figure this out. He had stacked like three lovies and a pillow and was standing on them trying to climb over. Like he was smart enough to figure that out. So then we had to just lower the mattress all the way to the floor. So like the crib is still there, but like the mattress is now on the floor. And like that's how we have to keep him contained. Just stuff like that that we didn't think about. Like my stuff my daughter didn't do. If your kids decide they want to have a career in entertainment, no, no, no way. What will be why, why? Okay, here's the thing. Let me back up. As kids or as adults, as adults, as adults, you know, they're like 17, 18, they're like, dad, mom, I think I want to do what you guys did. I would ask them to still go live a life. Okay. And go like explore and find themselves a little bit. Whether that's on a college campus, whether that's traveling, whether that's just having a bunch of jobs and figuring it out. Like I would still ask them to explore that part of their life because I think you need that for the career. There are some people who I think are absolutely brilliant talents and we're able to study their way all the way through where they're at today. And I think some people have to just go live a life and understand what sorrow feels like and pain feels like. I would probably also tell them that I have no idea what success looks like in their time because it's so wildly different from when I started. I think about people, people ask me now and I'm like, oh man, I don't know how to give you that answer because when I started, you used to actually like walk in a room and see a casting director. I, when I started used to walk into a room, there would be a sign-in sheet, you'd sign your name in, someone would call you in, you'd give them your headshot, you'd do the scene and then you would leave. Well, what that allowed for was like you to say, oh, I got an audition at two o'clock for Mindy's new show and I'd be like, oh, cool, we're at. And you would say, oh, it's with X casting director. And I'd be like, oh yeah, over off of La Brea, right? And you'd be like, yeah. And I'd be like, okay, cool. And at 2.30, just after you left, hopefully, I would show up and I could fill out the form and give them my headshot and I could pick up the sides in the room and it would be a cold read, but I could pick up the sides in the room and I could do it. That doesn't exist now. Once digital, once computer came along, then they were just checking people in and they knew exactly who they had told agents and reps that they wanted for auditions. That's even gone now because you don't go in the room anymore. Now you do it all via self tape or zoom. So it's just changed so much that I actually don't even know how to tell people to start acting today other than to get in a class and like do your craft. I don't know how you start in the business. No, it's tough. And now it's just like they are like the influencer space has like really taken off where like so much is like your social media presence and things like that. Do you feel that in this business at your level now or is that just for people like coming in? I think it's, you know, it's interesting. I think whether it's we did it to ourselves or whether the industry made us feel that way, I do think that a lot of people felt like they had to have a social media presence. There's plenty of people who don't and who have had very successful careers. I don't know that that will be the way going forward. I feel like with YouTube and all these vertical, you know, all this content that you can do on your phone now, I feel like that changes things quite a bit where like you kind of have to be making stuff and putting stuff out there. It used to be I could know, I would know, for example, that pilot season was coming around and the studios were going to make 25, 30 pilots. And so I was going to get quite a few auditions in that I was probably going to get 12 auditions out of 30 pilots getting made. Now studios networks don't even make 12 pilots anymore. So like the numbers have just gotten so much smaller, like you have to have a presence in some way that makes people go like, Oh, what about that person? Yeah. And I don't again, I don't know if that's like something that we put on ourselves or if it's something that like the industry has had it almost happened. Yeah. Accidentally. That is, I think that's one of the reasons that like when I've watched Running Point, it just feels so nice because it just feels like it just feels like a show that I mean, Mindy Keeling come from the office, like in Mindy Project and stuff is just like, there's still like that best edge of like TV and just like that kind of like simplicity of it. And that's, you know, that I think it all makes us feel good too. Yeah. It's all, I think we miss it. I think it's what we know. This is the other question I think about all the time. And I'm so interested to hear what you guys think about this. I always have this thing where I'm like, Oh man, we're so doomed. AI is going to take over and like TV shows are going to be fully made of AI. And a friend of mine, they always have this conversation with, he says, No, when I go, well, I don't let my daughter watch a lot of, we don't let my daughter watch a lot of YouTube. What we do, we're usually in the room and it's on our TV. So we all can see. But I do realize how many like AI generated things come up on YouTube and they don't know the difference between. And so the indoctrination point is so much earlier now, as opposed to us being introduced after our 30, 40 years of life and Top Gun and all the Mindy Project and all these things. And you're like, no, I know what it's like when humans make things. I know what that's like. But like, how do kids know that? Yeah, I don't know. I worry about the space you're in and just like from like, you know, like think about Top Gun, like, you know, like just the special effects and like how it's just going to be so much more cheaper for AI to do shit. But it's just like what like in like in this space, like podcasting or even reality TV, I feel like, I feel less worried about that because it's almost like as AI becomes bigger and bigger, there'll be, it'll, there'll be a scarcity of authenticity. Yeah. And it's like, you can't have a reality TV show on of AI. You could, but it's not reality TV. That's just a scripted show, you know, or like, or, you know, you're going to have AI podcasts, but it will like, people are still have a thirst for humans sharing their perspective. But like from, I remember the like, like Matthew McConaughey talking about like, owning your own voice and like, is that like made you think about all that kind of stuff? Completely. In ways that like, again, when you started, you did used to just be, show up and be an actor. You could show up and just do a thing. And there are some people, again, who are able to do that. I've been fortunate to actually do that. I've gotten curious about a lot of other things and I've wanted to learn producing or directing. I've wanted to experience that. I wanted to write, I wanted to write a book, like I wanted to do all of those things, partially because I wanted to like get my own voice out there and understand my own voice, partially because there were stories that I wanted to tell. Some of it was just like, I believe as a part of a creative community, you can't just take, you have to give some back. And so I don't believe that every story is meant to be like me on camera. I think there's other ways I can support a story and telling a story. And so it has made me think about other ways to still be in this industry and to support other people in this industry. I run a short film program where we try to make five short films a year for first time filmmakers. And again, like, I get nothing out of that. You know, I got to go beg somebody to like fund this short film program. And then I get to help five people make shorts that hopefully is their calling card to a director's program or, you know, directing and television or maybe their first feature. And like, I think in those ways, it's made me think about it is like, what else am I doing and how am I giving back to this, this amazing industry and community that's given me so much. My only hope for that is this, like, I think I'm still hopeful is like a renaissance of like humans wanting to go out and touch grass and get out there. And like we are a species that needs human connection. And I just, I hope that yeah, that we don't lose that. And yeah, and all that. I agree. I do like, I love the advice you said about your kids like going out, like your story about how you became an actor, there's an amazing story. I don't think you hear as much stuff like that in terms of like, you went back, you got that job, you went and got a real job, you left. And then in that had served you to, I think it's such great advice. And if your kids decide to get in entertainment, I love that you want them to go and experience. Because like this, this Hollywood is, it's, it's a weird, it's weird. It's weird. It's also really hard and tough. And if you're young, navigating it, if you're young, I think if you go out and you have a couple failures, and you get back up, whether that be through job, whether that be through school, whether that be through sports, I think when you decide to come into a career like this, you go, okay, cool, like I'll just get back up and go do it again. I think if you don't have that experience, every time you get told no, or you get side-derailed in some way, it's the end of the world for you. Like you don't know how to process or get yourself back up or your self-esteem takes a shot. You seem like you had a sense of self as when you went back into it. And you kind of knew. I am so grateful. Because my whole thing was like, oh, every time I heard no, I was just like, I'm just getting closer to my yes. Like, cool, I'm just getting closer. I don't want to work with you anyway. I'm just getting closer to my yes. And I have to get through and I understand that I have to get through so many at bats before I can hit a home run. And if I can get through enough of those, then I'll connect with the ball sooner or later and get there. And I think that going through life, I didn't start acting until I was 28 years old. So I think going through life, like really, and I didn't get my first job until I was 30. When I booked the game, I was just over 30. I think I was like 30 in like four or five months. And so I think I had been shook enough to my core and been like, all right, well, I got to figure out how to pay rent this month. And it allowed me to go into an audition room and be like, hey, man, you're either going to like this or you're not going to like this. I did my work. I'm super excited about it. I hope you like it. If you don't, that's okay too. You're going to be a fan. And I'll see you on the next one. I love stories like that. I love hearing those back stories of like the work you put into like being where you are today, because you never hear that stuff, you know, in that perspective. It's easy to just do the glitzy, glammy stuff. It's great to hear. I heard that Top Gun 3 is in production or they're doing the movie. Is that something that maybe you might be a part of? There is a script. They're working on it. You know, I think the thing that we always kind of come back to and is the experience of making the second one and how long that took. And when you hear Tom talk about it, he was like, it had to be right in so many ways. Like we had to put actors in jets and the story had to be right. And we had to have the right access and, you know, editing needed to be at a certain place. And I think that that is the same with what will be Top Gun 3. I think, you know, or the third installment of Top Gun, rather, I think, you know, Tom and Jerry Brachheimer and Joe Kaczynski, like, and McHugh, like those guys are going to make sure that it is everything it needs to be and more before they're willing to try to push a studio into making this movie. But I do think it'll get made. I do. You got the script for all her fault. Yeah. Being a dad was that hard to three minutes, three pages. Could you imagine on the third page, this woman is crying because she can't find her kid. And my kid is out of play. My kid is just getting out of school. I read this at probably like 3.30 on like a Tuesday. My kid had just got out of school. You're like, and I'm like, where is she going? Where is she going right now? Is she coming home? Or is she staying there? Is she going on a play? I couldn't watch it. It's too triggering. I couldn't. It's very triggering. But I think that's the thing that got me so quickly is like, and I don't, I imagine if I didn't have kids, I would have felt the same way. I grew up with a bunch of cousins who had stayed with me, lived with me at some points. I think I probably would have felt the same way even if I didn't have kids. But I do think that like that fear for those of us who either our parents or caretakers for children, that fear of not knowing where I was thinking about this yesterday. My daughter had a competition in Burbank on Sunday, Saturday, and my parents live here in Los Angeles. They live in Inglewood. And one of my friends was like, no kids. Was like, why don't you just put her in a waymo? And I was like, what? Kid alone in a way. That's how home alone, that's basically like how home alone starts. But in Los Angeles. Yeah. And not in the early 1990s. You know what I mean? That's crazy. And I just thought to myself like, she has no phone. She doesn't know my phone number. She knows her home address. But who knows if she's even willing to talk to someone to tell them because she's afraid of strangers. You know what I mean? She knows not to talk to people she doesn't know. And I was just like, that's so crazy. What if the waymo locks? I just started thinking about all these things. That's what my feeling was when I read all her fault. Like there was literally a fire in my body where I was like, oh my God, this woman has to find her kid. Who did this? How did this happen? Who did someone take her kid? Is this truly just an accident? And then you go on and you read the rest of the scripts and you start pointing at people and thinking who it is, pointing at me at some point. And that was an easy call. That was a lot of fun. It was also fun to like, there's something really fun about watching messy rich people. Are you watching our friends and neighbors? Yeah. Of course I am. Ham bone all day. John is a god to me. Like there is something really fun about watching really messy rich people. Well that and we just watched beef on the new season. And that's kind of like, well that has rich people in it, but it's like class warfare too. But I kind of like, while we watch reality TV, but I love those scripted shows that really get into just like how hard adult life is. And no matter whether you're rich or poor, that like you have to face adversity. You have to face like life. You're just, you're inner demons. Whatever it is, is that like the reality of life is ugly and messy. And I love the realism of how those shows kind of like attack those topics. It really is. It makes it really, honestly for us, like we'll watch it. It really just makes you appreciate, you know, just putting in the work in your relationships and things like that. Because like all those shows, like talk about how like, just how tough like life can be and just the hardships of reality. It's always like, like really puts things in perspective, which is why I really like those shows. It's just, it's always nice to just have the wool kind of pulled over and you're like, Oh, they got problems too. We're good. Yeah. And the worst of mine. Yeah. I feel good today. I didn't call you that. It's not, it is not, it is, it is your to your point. It's humanity. Like it's, it's, we're all going through there. We're all on this rock going through this thing together, whether, you know, and we all have different versions of it, obviously in different walks and paths, but we are all going through a lot of the same at the core. We're going through a lot of the same things. Oh, final question. What's harder comedy or drama for you? Drama. Okay. Drama. Yeah. Now, most people will say comedy. Comedy is so much about timing. Sometimes it's about situation. We're having to repeat it over and over again and making a, making a joke or a, or a situation feel fresh at times can be very difficult, especially as you're taking direction or if you were distracted or the day goes on or if it gets split up with lunch. But drama to me, and I think that's like something me and my therapist probably should talk about. I think it's me like ultimately just wanting to like stay on the light side of life and be like, Hey, I'm happy. All is good. Don't worry about it. And I think drama makes you dig into some stuff. I think good comedy can do that too, because I do think like there is oftentimes you are covering something. And that makes you react in a certain way. But I think there's something about drama where sometimes you have to just sit in a thing and ultimately be able to get it out. I mean, I've limited experience in acting. I've done it. And, but even in reality TV, in my limited experience, the only way I was able to do it, and obviously I'm not talented in that space, but like, yeah, you, I had to like go there mentally and it, and that's very difficult to do. And that's not even being like method. Yeah, no, that's not even, could you imagine if you were method? Yeah. Yeah. And I just like studying acting a little bit, it made me have so much appreciation for people like you who do it for a living. It's just because like, it's not just like people just showing up and reading a script. It's really you have to be real, you have to get in that space. And I have so much, yeah, because it's, it's, it can get heavy. Yeah. I'm sure. It's, it's sometimes I it's the drive home is like, I'm always grateful for the drive home. Because it's just decompression time. Like it's time to like, whatever the podcast is, whatever silence, music, whatever it is, like it's nice to just be able to like sit in that and come down from there's another thing that I think most actors would tell you is that like, they say when you make a movie, like there's the, you know, the movie you read, the movie you shot, and the movie that was edited. And for an actor, there's like the scene that you read, the scene that you shot, and the scene that you critique while you drive home. And you reedited in your head how you should have done it the entire time. These pretzels are making you feel she. Exactly. Exactly. That's so true. Running point season two out on Netflix now. So good. So amazing. You're great. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for talking about that. And I'm excited to see, I mean, you've done so many amazing things, but I'm really excited to see what's in store because it's, it's been cool to follow your career and watch it. Also, how's working with Chet Hanks? Oh, Chet's great. I will say, I was like, I don't know. I think I was talking to Ike and I was like, I don't know, man. Like Boy Summer. I don't want it to get weird. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want it. And then you meet Chet and Chet is, Chet is Chet. Like, Chet is who he is. Like, he's actually not fronting. Like, you know, I think the amazing thing about Chet is like, he's very aware of like where he sits in the world and like, you know, the life that he's lived and he's able to reflect on it. And he's grateful for everything that he has. And he is actually a funny ass dude. And he's also got very strong points of you one thing, you know what I mean? But he's like at his heart, like he is truly just a good dude. And I think the minute you're around him, you, you immediately understand that and feel that, which is really nice. That's awesome. Well, running point is out. Check it out on Netflix. It's a fun, easy watch. You will really enjoy it's bingeable. 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I do something. No, because morning people, it's like, it's so pretend, it's like annoying. It's not better just because I sleep till 11. I don't know. I say up to what time you get to bed. Okay. So, unfortunately, I did stay out till like 4 30 on Saturday night. So last night I went to bed by 11. By 11. Nice. 4 30. What are we doing to 4 30 in the morning? Well, I was at the comedy store, but then I was staying at the sunset marquee, which was so fun. And so we went for one drink there, and then my friend wanted to order room service. So we ordered room service and hung out. And then he was going to sleep over, but I want the lights on a read and I want music on. And so my friend left. That's so valid. My friend's like an incredible. But also I need it freezing. And he's always like getting up and making it warm behind my back, but it's like my room. And he's like, well, how much longer are the lights going to be on? I go as long as I want. But the hotel doesn't have bedside lamps. Interesting. Only overhead lighting. That's gross. I did look up early bird worm extension of phrase. Okay. And but the second mouse gets the cheese. Early bird gets the worm. And the second mouse gets the cheese. When did the mouse enter the equation? You know what? Yeah, I don't I can't bear to understand. Well, because there's another one. I was I saw a post about this because you know, it's Oscar Wilde where it's like, it's an Oscar Wilde quote. No, not that. But there's other ones that aren't finished where people take where it's like flattery is the sincerest compliment. It's the one where you copy set. The imitation is the imitation is a high form of flat. But there's more to it for someone that's fucking mediocre who can't do his own shit. Like there's more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oscar Wilde popped off later in the but the late bird doesn't even get the late worm. That's one. But the late worm doesn't get eaten. Oh, a bunch of people just finished phrases. Yeah, wait, so this is like this sounds like an episode of reality TV reunion where everyone says kind of projecting their own trauma. Oh, I do have news. I was I went to SoulCycle in New York and then I was like, oh, I'll sit in a patio. It's a lovely night. I'll just have some lunch or dinner and have a beer and the Southern hospitality people walk by. So it was Mia, Brad, TJ, Brad's girlfriend and Molly. All the best people. Yes, they were all going out. But I was like post workout class, but they were so nice. And I took photos of them and Mia is like so little. So you said hi. Well, the people behind me recognized and then I turned around and went, can I please join this? And then they said yes. And then the younger people were telling them bars and hip places to go to. Like I don't think me and them have the same types of bars. And I talked to Molly about SoulCycle, the reunion, we talked about Wes Wilson because I did Watch What Happens Live with Wes Wilson. Oh my God. That's weird. And so and she was like, I was like, can you believe it? She goes, yeah, I believe it. I love Molly. I've known them for, yeah, they're just, they were all so beautiful and hot. It was awesome. Wait, this is their first year getting an actual reunion set. Yeah. Yeah. So it's big for them. Oh, they're not on Watch What Happens Live set. Yeah. Well, didn't Mia's the one that Wes texted allegedly? They went on a digital date, like for one of those web series. No, but she said that Wes had texted her like right after the reunion. But what was in the text? Like, I mean, could it, was he like, what was that bar you recommended? She implied that was like a... No, no, no, he said something like sorry that like you're getting roped in and like involved in this. Okay. It was like one of those type of things. Yeah. But the internet took it as, oh, why is he communicating to another woman? Well, it's like he could apologize to Mia, but he couldn't apologize to Sierra. That part. Yeah. Yikesies. Did they spill any tea Southern hospitality? She just said, she was like, I've known him before this. We ran in the same circles and I'm not surprised about any of this is all she said. And then when I told her, I went to a Harry Styles Taylor Swift Soul Cycle, she went, that's not for me, but I'm glad that works for you. I wonder what her style of Soul Cycle would be. I don't know. I was just humiliated. Soul Cycle in general is not for me. So where were you, Lisa? When the summer house news broke, broke, like Michael Jackson level. I was, I feel like I went to, I was at solid core. I don't know if it was when it happened, but I was walking post. So I don't know if this was that day or the next day. I remember the Edie Parker day the most. So when she had the Edie Parker out and it was taken down because I was walking with my friend after this class and a girl was sitting alone on a patio looking at Amanda news on her phone and I looked at her and I go, can you even fucking believe it? And she doesn't, she went, what? And I went, sorry, I looked at your phone and then we ended up talking for like 15 minutes. It was awesome. She's like, I'm just scrolling. I don't know what any of this is. No. And she went off and we were going off and then the group chats, like, I think it was like, that's that weekend. I don't know. Yeah. It was, it really all was like that weekend was jam past. Yeah. Cause wasn't it like they went on a couple, cause the cast started posting first. Yeah. They were being so weird and no one really knew what was happening. They were being like memes sent. We were like, oh, this is April Fools. You know what I'm most mad at? I mean, obviously Sierra, I care about her so much, but like Amanda took our opportunity to dunk on Kyle away. Yes. That's what I'm most mad at. It was, cause in my head I go, she's going to be free, hot, single in the city. Like I can't wait. She's going to be smoking weed with her dogs. Like I was like so excited for her to be hot with her friends in the city. And then Kyle, fuck you, boo. And now it's, it's like, so. He's like immediate darling. I know. He's making out with the Megan King Edmunds. People are like, love it. He's wholesome divorce guy. No, it's crazy. We were talking about that on Plus and we were talking about it over the weekend and I think that's the most crazy thing. Cause you did you hear the leaked audio stuff? I refute, cause Andy was mad and I tried to respect him. Same. So I didn't. I listen to him. I'm trying to get back on watch what happens. Yeah. Andy did do a shout out of like, thank you to all the content creators who did not talk about it or post it. Okay. Or yeah. I mean, we didn't, we didn't air it. I read everything I could about it. Right. But we would never listen. Yeah. I'm in some group chats that were discussing it. I may have seen a Reddit thread of all of the transcripts. And just to remind, whatever people listen to it, it is like, well, first of all, we don't know if it'll make the cut, but it's like 1% of everything they filmed. So there's certainly so much more to the reunion. But from a little bit we, we did see what's so fascinating is that Amanda seems to be like doubling down and like trying to justify her choices, which honestly is giving very Tom Sandoval in Scandival. Cause if you go back and remember it was just like, everyone was like, bro, just say you're sorry. Say it was fucked up. She's not. I think we just assumed she was a good person because she was quiet and in the backgrounders kind of. And maybe she just sucks. And saying you can't help who you like is the most crazy thing to say. And then what's, what's so crazy. And he doesn't like you back. He does it. And that's, and like honestly, if that audio has proven anything to me, it is that I mean the fact that he, and even Kyle's statement after being like guys, he actually like did not stand up for her once. Cause Wes is very much, you know, just like, I just, I feel it's just while that that is coming what two days after he goes on his podcast and he's like, direct to hate at me, like lighten up on her. And then I also loved the post where it's like, when all this broke out that Sierra put the like girl scout troop filled with like girl, you know, people that don't have homes and stuff like that. And then he was just acting like nothing. And I just, that was very telling for me. Cause I liked meeting West. I had fun. He's so nice to my friends. He was charming. He's so charming. But he's that he is, have I've tried to explain to the, he is the new type of man in 2026. The fake feminist, the emotionally literate therapy trained very kind of into, he can center his feelings, which to the person who cares about you feels safe. It feels disarming. It feels like vulnerability, like, you know, and that he kept, he kept his access to Sierra clothes. That's what I'm thinking while you're talking is them at the Super Bowl, then probably hooking up and him, I just, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's always, it's keeping it close enough so you can still flirt and you can still do the things without, well, who do you think is more at fault? Amanda or West, if you had to put like more of a blame on someone. I don't know. The blame, I don't know, Amanda, because the what sickens me about the West was the thing of like when Amanda and Kyle like we're touching or kissing and then he started touching Sierra. Like with Kyle, I think he sucks. I'm like, I'm okay with him getting cheated on or disrespected. Like I don't care. But like touching Sierra to make Amanda jealous when you know she likes you, like that really upsets me. And yeah, and he knows how much she does want him and she's crying being like, I don't even want to like you, but I do. And I, that really ups that bothers me. I only ask because I feel like, I feel like West was like sober in this whole thing, right? Like we have Amanda who's, who's been in this long, horrible toxic relationship. They're finally like splitting up, getting a divorce. She's kind of like drunk on this whole, like she's never really had a guy nice to her. She's going through this divorce. He is this like sober brain who like is not. Who has a roster? Literally has a roster. We're obviously meaning drunk and sober emotionally. Correct. Not like yes. They were probably both drunk. I'm sure they were. Yeah. Seemingly he had a clear head. Yes, absolutely. You can at least understand Amanda's like not maybe seeing her relationship choices in a clear way because most people who come out of relationships are a little kind of emotionally cost. I do hate the people that are like, this just looks Amanda's bad does not make Kyle good. Right. Correct. You know, like we have to stop like the, it's like he still treated her awful. Awful. Yeah. You know. Yes. Awful. And that does not go away. Yeah. But what I, but you could make the argument that they both think they're in love because there's no other thing that makes sense and hear me out because the. I think they would have said that. I don't know. I think West is just too scared to break up with Amanda now, but he doesn't actually want to do it. It's so crazy because like the Amanda was so crazy. She changed her, she had this like fork in the road moment of her life. It was so, we were rooting for you. Yeah. I mean like. We were all rooting for you. If like Ariana is like, is she at the Met Gala tonight? She is like, she is hovering between A and B list stardom. She is a huge star. Forget about reality TV star. She's just a star. Not the same, but I also would say page post breakup stratosphere rising. Right. And we wanted that for Amanda. Yes. Specifically the Bravo fans. They're always looking for that next person to root for. Like it's ingrained in their DNA. And I don't think. Don't separate yourself and send your DNA as well. It is. Their DNA. Yeah. No, yours. Ours. I'm not sure. Ours, your people. Our community. Our community. And yeah. I mean like again, if Ariana was just a part of an ensemble cast and then Vanderpump ended and it's a tough business to be like the rest of Vanderbump cast is kind of just they're they're fighting for their careers to keep it going. It is tough and Ariana is just head and shoulders below that. And Amanda had a chance at that. And instead she was like, no, I would rather have this guy. And it's because of the guy because I'm thinking Lala and Sheena could have had some rise too. They chose to side with the men instead of being with the girls. And it's another don't on my podcast. It's a crime podcast, but we always say don't go to jail for a man. Yeah. Like do not. She went to jail for a man. It's that's how I feel where it's like you chose this guy over these girls like pages your role. Over yourself. Sierra's your role. Yeah. Over yourself. Yeah. I do wonder if there's going to be some sort of like they're going to either downplay Amanda and Sierra's friendship or if there's going to be some sort of like we weren't really that close. But even if that's true, even if that's true, why wouldn't she just she had, I mean, she literally threw away millions of dollars. Yeah. I mean, it's going to take she obviously is going to be protected by Bravo. She'll be in the city, but like compared to the opportunities that were about to come her way. Well, she had that Jimmy, well, the Edie Parker dropper. Then she had the Jimmy Johns ad, which they still. I think they put on pause. They took it down and put a faceless woman. Yeah. And then she had the Jimmy Johns, which they move forward with it. And every single comment was like delete this, change this. Absolutely not. Jimmy John just responded to comments. They're responding to comments like just try the sandwich though. Like focus on the sandwiches. Which I think is crazy that Stan culture is the way it is, but that is that is how it is. At the end of the day, all you really have is your word. And it's Lucy Goosey in reality TV, I guess. So, you know, we can go up and down, but it's like trust honesty. Those things do matter. And when that's broke, because I had a friendship where the lie happened and it changed stuff. And she's like, one mistake, you're going to punish me for one mistake. I go, bitch, I don't look at you the same. Yeah. You lied to my face. We can have the relationship we have, but like, don't act like I'm overreacting. It's not one mistake. It changes how I feel. And that's, you know, it's, yeah, Amanda, maybe my Jimmy Johnson tastes that good this weekend. I'll be honest. It was a little more. My veto was a little slimy or the normal. Okay. Question. It almost seems a little bit more, there's an aspect of it that reminds me of the Monica. Like in Salt Lake City of it all where it's like Monica really thought she'd kind of crack this code of coming into Housewives as this like fan and going in and getting the audience on her side and then it blew up in her face. And I think what is also kind of happening with this like Scamanda, whatever it's called, is that she really thought she had the Arianna moment. She had the page. She was like, oh, I know what happens at this point. The structure has been set. I can do whatever I want. But if she did Lulu, she thought people would go, yeah, be with West. We love it. That's what you think she thought. I don't know if she, I think she thought she could get away with it because she had everyone. If not that, what did she think though? You know what I'm saying? I want to know because she's the victim in her narrative. So obviously with West, it's like she's just doing something for her finally. She's not thinking about Sierra. You know what I mean? And she's obviously just not thinking about anyone else around her because she's so caught up. And she's like, everyone's going to love this because I chose the like fun, sweet guy who's there for me all summer. Everyone's going to root for this. Yeah. And she's totally didn't even. Yeah, I don't know. That's just my. My friends, my group chat, shout out to Carl's a mess. We, yeah, she was probably just going to end up married a guy drinking coronas in New Jersey. And that's what she always wanted. Yeah. And that's what she's going to get. Yeah. I don't know, light or corona extra. I don't know. I don't know what she's drinking. Oh my gosh. Are you watching Rhode Island or Hoffa's Rhode Island? So this is the thing. So you know, he derived where he took over my life in a real way. The Mac Alice today. Can't wait to see what they were. But I started reading. So I read all six of the game changers. Then I read Rachel reads other two books. Then I started reading all these other books, not even. And I read of yesteryear. So I've read like 15 books this year. And my friends. Well, I've read in my life. I've read all over a decade. That's why this is very exciting. Are they all gay smoke books? Most of them are. But I have a James Baldwin with me. My friend Allison Iby wrote a book. Yesteryear is like the book that Anne Hathaway just bought the rights to. That's very hip. Have you heard of this? Tradwife Influencer Wakes Up and it's 1855. How good is that? But now I'm in another gay hockey series. I've tried to do straight. I don't need. I need I need it to be guys. And then I read some murder. But I've have texts from friends being like, put the book down, come drink with us. A text we never thought we'd write. My friend. And then so yesterday I'm staying with my friend Bennett. So we watched Southern Hospitality, the newest one. And then he's like, just watch Rhode Island because I've been putting it off. The best thing in my life. So good. And then my group chat today was like, yeah, books cannot distract you from this. Really? Stop it. They're amazing. I love a potluck. I love the rich, but grounded in reality of them all. They're all great. They're funny, jeans, fun. So I only watched one last night and I cannot wait to get in. Don't kid, because I know they just announced that Dolores is not going to be part of the reunion. But why? And this is no, because we love Dolores. She's an icon. But I honestly, I'm more and more confused by what was like, why was she kind of even a part of it? I don't think they knew it was going to be a hit. I think they were like, oh, we need her to like open to get this franchise. She's passing a torch. Like also not all friends are part of reunions. Like as recently a lot of them have been. No, I know, but I also like to see Liz and her together talking about the plastic surgery. Yes. We needed that. Yeah. We needed that. When the season started, we were a little critical of Jo Ellen leading with like my mom socks. I was never. Because her first. Nick does like to say we. We. Well, after last night's episode. Yeah. The mom is bad. So bad. Worse than Bronwyn's mom. Sent her off to boarding. So bad. Sent her off to quote unquote boarding school. Three different times. The first one was when she was in seventh grade and she said it was like a drug like rehab place and Jo Ellen was like, I literally did not do drugs or drink. I just had big boobs and like the guys liked me. So her mom was like, you're promiscuous. You're going off to this. They sent her home after a week. They're like, you don't need to be here. Like you babes, you're not, you don't have any. She's the drugs. Like nothing's in your system. You can go home. Then I guess the next time was like eighth grade. It seemed like maybe the next year, the following year. And that was for like a month. I think she said a little over a month. And that was with like murderers. And it was like court ordered criminals to go to this like rehab place. The third was for over a year. Her mother sent her to this place and she just, they were like, okay, we'll have, we have to take full custody of her. And the second they said that her mom was like, I can't lose like full custody. So I'll just take her back home. She's fixed. She's good. But she just kept sending her off. It sounds horrifying. Like with criminals, she was like with male and female. What does she say about it? Like, is she okay with her decision? Or is she like fucked up? Yeah. We haven't heard from the mom yet. We haven't gotten that far. Yeah. I had a friend kidnapped in the middle of the night who didn't deserve it by her evil stepmother to like a drug. One of those. Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah. And she, it's a tragic story because like we were neighbors and her mom died of cancer. And then she got this evil stepmother and then the dad died of cancer. Oh my God. And she was left with this woman who like stole her braces money and like all this stuff. And then like sent her off in the middle of the night. It's like a literal Cinderella crime. But like the real horrifying version, not the fairy tale. Wait, so what, like where is she? I remember she came back and then like we're, you know, it's like, we keep in touch kind of on Instagram. It's like a childhood friend. But it's how I learned how to like trick or treat because I was an immigrant, you know? Like her, she taught me how to kind of be American and she had a Nintendo 64. Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, of course. I watched Jason for the first time at her house. Well, usually when it comes to parents, maybe being a young, young dad, I'm a little, you know, it's just like, I always like to think most parents do their best. And I think a lot of times, even with imperfect parents, you can be like, you know, they're doing their best, you know, childhood traumas. Jo Ellen's mom did not do her best. No. She literally sent her kid away being like, I don't want this. No, it's a farce. Like people saying like, um, parenthood changes you and I do a bit about this, but it's like, no, you're still a bitch. Like I see you. It doesn't always change people like people or everyone would be nice in the world. If, if parenthood changed people's personalities, I think our world would be better, but people. So for some, I think I've learned some people want to say, some people want to have kids and some people enjoy being parents. Yes. Period. Jo Ellen's mom did not enjoy being a parent. No. Anyways, I've, my heart went out to Jo Ellen after hearing her story and then. I liked Jo Ellen. I love it. I've only seen that one, but Rosie was, this is my big pet Piva from the first episode. I hate when someone starts shit and then they cry when they can't handle the heat. Like, no. Yeah. You can't bring up a girl being like, is she a polygamist and then crying that everyone's mean to you? It's like, you brought it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is your, what are your thoughts on, um, Alicia and have you gotten to the ball part with the dolls yet? Well, I saw the dolls in the background. Yeah. She's very into these dolls. I saw the dolls. I, we had her, we had her on Zoom and interviewed her and I said to Nick this morning, because the dolls are the best. What brand are they? Like, what are they? They're just like porcelain. Like American girl, the kind of stuff. American girl dolls, porcelain. Like she has, they're these very specific. American girl. They're not American girl. They're not Bratz either. They're almost like in between and like an older. Like she's cat-a-locking. They could be used in a horror film. Yeah. I am a collector, so it's tough for me to be a hater. Whoa. I'm not a hater. I'm obsessed with that. I think it's the best thing to do. Yeah. I'm the bravo. Yeah. But for the wrong person, it could be spook. Wait, what do you collect again? I collect lots of things, but I do have like elderly trolls and I do baby eye trolls. I do Simpsons action figures and I do McDonald's. Like I have the Halloween nuggets. I have a Malibu Barbie McDonald's toy. And then I have Moanchee cheese and Lulu the pig. Is this something that you would ever like sell? Are you like, if you looked up on eBay one day. No, when I open the boxes and I buy them used. Okay. No, I like my stuff. I have Dennis Rodman Barbie dolls, both of them. That's cool. So stuff like that. My sister did all the Barbie dolls and they're all still like in there. She never took them out. And that's beautiful and incredible. But I buy them. I'm not that precious. Like I love them. Yeah. Yeah. You want to love me. I just want to play. We're going to play. They make me happy. And I have a fan, Cece Bratz. She's like in North Carolina, but she made me a Bratz doll of me. And that's like her thing that she tries. She does. We were watching last night and Ashley cried again. Ashley in Rhode Island. And now I was like, do you think she's performing? I was like, absolutely not. And then I told. Is her show really on TV or not? Oh, I think it's like a web series. Yeah. It is like a web series. Got it. But she was a newscaster. Yeah. And then I tell now the story about, no, Ashley just really cries. And it reminded me of I've been friends with Ashley for a long time. And before, for all the Bachelor fans will know this, but before her and Jared got married, she was obsessed with Jared and Jared was just like, I don't see it. And then we went to Din Tai Fung. And this is before we went on Paradise where she like famously, I was like, you're never going to be with them. And then, you know, everyone keeps clipping that. But at this lunch, we're having lunch and she's telling me she's obsessed with Jared. I'm like, you just got to stop. Just I don't think he's he doesn't see it here. Guys are just friends. We're at Din Tai Fung at lunch and she starts bawling at lunch. And I'm like, please stop crying. Everyone here is going to think I made you cry. And she just cries. She just like she really is just a very emotional person. So the point where like she might cry at lunch with you. Sometimes you get that nose tingle, you know, you feel it in your nose and it's just it's better to just let it out. What's her what's her sign? What's her birthday? Pisces like to cry. I mean, we're good friends, but I don't. They're hot. They're a hot couple. Yeah. Yeah. I like to see that. My favorite part of Ashley and this episode was that they were taking their masks off and sharing like what they're like hidden trauma things are. And Ashley, I was crying and she's like, I just on the bachelor, they asked me what my trauma story was and I just I didn't have one. And then I was thinking about in the future, I'm going to have a trauma story and like that's just so sad. She's a Pisces for everyone wondering. I looked it up. Rosie, Rosie was right. Yeah, you were right. Cool. Rosie had the mic drop of the episode when she called Kelsey a professional squatter. Oh my God. That was high end squatter. High end squatter, even better. Even better. It was that was. I mean, this guy obviously gets off paying for girls to do stuff. So like who cares? I would live for free if I could. But why is she so trapped in the house? Take a class, find a hobby, do a sport. Like I don't go to pottery. Yeah. Like right. Well, then she recently announced that she is like no longer in that relationship. Yeah, but I was told. Yeah, it's like he obviously has a kink and I don't, I don't know. You don't have to fuck him and your life's getting paid for. Cool. Yeah, that does sound ideal. What's the problem for a girl like me? I do it. I would love to be a high end squatter. I'm working so hard. Yeah. God, to be a high end squatter does seem like the best case scenario. Yeah. I don't know why anyone's hating. It's just like when she was crying. But I also don't get why you can't go week by week. Like why is it six months here, six months there? That's confusing to me. Like you never just want to hop up for the weekend. Like I don't. But then her other man, I don't think you've met him yet. No, I haven't. But he showed up wearing a vest with no undershirt. Okay, nice. So like the guy that is he's just fucking is like looks like a male. Magician. Gigolo. Yeah. Okay. Gigolo magician. Yeah. Like in hacks. Yeah. Well, it's nice that he doesn't mind that she's fucking other people. I think she has a great situation and I don't get why. I don't get the issue. It kind of. She just wants more issue. I think it's just it's fascinating for people to explore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She also kind of there is part of it that kind of reminds me of season one. Beverly Hills, Camille Grammar of just like kind of going on the show and then as your segue out of a relationship. I don't think Camille knew she was going to. Well Camille didn't know, but it kind of like he might have encouraged her to go on to be like. Oh, yes, she did. This might be. I'm more fascinated by the rule of it all. Like how do you go on this show? La la. Well, I don't think she knew. No, I'm not fascinated by her. I'm fascinated by her husband. But yeah, but like how did he agree to this if he was. Like the man is like the currently allegedly cheating on her has a mistress. The other women are like Joellen is friends with a friend who knows the mistress. So there's like, I'm getting proof for you all. The proof was giving very much like holding a hostage at like the date in the car. And then it was giving like hold the today's newspaper. You know, it was very much, but like the fact that he is filming an event with them. And then he's like, oh, my mom's in the hospital. I have to leave. Leaves filming goes to his mistress's house. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. He then comes back to filming not wearing his wedding ring. And they're like, where's your wedding ring? He's like, oh, I just it was I was putting a product in her son's hair and I had to take it off. It was getting sticky. So like, do you think his mistress thinks he's single? She's not. No, I think she gives very much like, like they're going to leave each other. Like he's going to leave her for me. And like, you know, it is real rule of saying, you know, that she's crazy and she's this. She makes stuff up on AI. I think probably only fuels her fire and makes her want to like. The scene where Rula is like, I can't come cause I'm sick. And she goes, yeah, on the phone. It was the most mean girls out of shit I've ever seen in my life is awesome. It's crazy. This is all happening season one. And it's such a tiny state. Yeah. It's so much tiny community. Surface area like puts drama like at capacity. But Rula was like, I can't. What was her symptom? She was like, I can't see. She's like, I woke up. I have a bad cough. My throat hurts. I couldn't talk. I couldn't see. I couldn't. Couldn't see. She had WebMD up and was just listing everything that could get her out of going to the thing. She didn't want to go to. It literally reminded me of when I was in, I think, eighth grade, maybe seventh grade. And I wanted to leave school. So I texted my mom and I'm like, mom, I'm really sick. I need to leave. And she's like, oh my gosh, what's wrong? And I'm like, I can't talk. She's like, what do you mean? And I'm like, I'm like opening my mouth and nothing's coming out. And I was dead serious in my head of being like, this will work. And I was sitting at my desk practicing being like, she asked me to like show her why I was sick. And mom was like, OK, well, just like cough or get some water. And I think you'll be OK. Are you guys going to let your kids take mental health off days of school if they don't want to go? No. Like if they fake sick, they're going. No, I think we'll definitely be like the family who prioritizes real life experiences over. But it won't be a matter of like, I don't feel like it today. Because I just can't handle the pressure. I'll be like, you're going to school. No, I one time in second grade, my sister, I got to ditch school to go ice skating. And then the next day my teacher's like, are you feeling better? I go, I want ice skating. And then it was a big problem. I'm from Wisconsin. I used to go outside on the weekend without a coat, like stand outside just to try to get sick. Well, it's like I think with kids like that, you have to see how well they can convince you. And I think there were times that my mom would sometimes let me stay home if I pretended to be sick because I really committed. Oh, I would. If I knew my mom was going to take my temperature, I would go into the bathroom. No, and I would drink hot water out of the faucet because I wanted my mouth to be hot for the thermometer. What if they're getting bullied? That's totally different. That's totally different. Well, no, that's why I'm asking. What was your stay at home TV show that you would stay at home? Everything. And I don't know how I had time for all of it because it's all different channels. And they all are so important to me. I didn't either. But Price is right. Jenny Jones. Matlock. Sally, Jesse, Raphael, Montell. But there's another game that's fun. Hollywood Squares. I watched so much Bones. Bones and Monk. Oh my God. Tia Tia. Tony Shalub was at the hotel and I swear he looked at my tits twice. That's kind of hot. Because I was at the pool and I saw him standing. Yeah. Mr. Monk. I ran in with the bathroom at the Golden Globes. And he was looking at and I could tell he was and I was like, oh my God, is he looking at my tits because I was wearing a bikini. And then he spun around and looked again. And I guess that's like a monk thing because I was telling friends and I was like, I love this. I want to be in this hotel for the rest of my life. Mr. Monk to your tits. Yeah. And maybe I was being delusional, but I felt like it was real. Like I really know. I think you had a moment with him. I think you and Tony Shalub. I think Tony Shalub is one of the few celebrities that I think if I met him, I would like freak out. Really? Yeah. Well, because it's like so, you know, those people that are just so ingrained in your like childhood brain like that, that they're not real. Like Monk to me is like a figure. Yeah. And then if I saw Tony Shalub in real life, I would like short circuit and freak out. Anyway. Yeah, it was a thrill. It was a real thrill. What else? But there was something else before Price was right because I was at 10 a.m. What other game? Oh, I love Hollywood. I said that newlywed game I loved. You weren't sleeping? I feel like I was always like sleeping in because it was like, oh, we have to wake up so early for school. I was definitely waking up for the Price is right for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I loved, I love TV. Okay. Yeah. Because that's why even this break off TV has been a really huge moment for me with like the reading and the heated rivalry. After heated rivalry, it's been hard for me to watch anything else. I was like nine years old to me like you overbid. It's too high. It's too high. About a dollar. You were getting into like the economics of it at a very young age. I mean, yeah, I played along. I don't know. Of course. Isn't that what you do? Price is right is I think, I think that's the most universal for all kids staying at home of that era at least. I was like, I was. What were you watching early? It was definitely like Disney Channel and Nickelodeon and whatever was on. Were you a pretty little Irish kid? Oh, I was a pretty little Irish kid. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. That was a home improvement at George Lopez. But that was later in the day. Yeah, I was like up too late if those shows came on. I definitely knew I needed to go to bed. Yeah. One time I would like wake up in a cold sweat and then recess would be on my TV. I love that. Yeah. It's awesome. I was an Arthur head full house. I don't know how I had time for all this. Fresh Prince, the nanny. Like, oh yeah. I watched every show. But yeah, so this break. So like he'd arrive or cured my depression. I don't watch TV all day long and my life's been better. Started hypnotherapy. Hypnotherapy. Yeah. What's that? I don't know. I tell people I'm like instead of therapy, I just hopped from witch to witch. Like that's real. So this switch is on the laptop and I'm in my bed and she hypnotizes me. And I swear like I knock the fuck out. She like talks through. You're being hypnotized by someone online? Yeah, because I don't think it's real, right? But like when she counts and wakes me up, I wake the fuck up and I fall down into a thing. And her thing is you don't have to do anything. You don't have to pay attention. Like go where you ever want and just trying to get into my subconscious, change my narrative. It's real. A lot of people do it. Oh, okay. After I look for it. For sure. Yeah. Thank you. And you pay? I pay a lot. Someone goes, oh, is it covered by insurance? I go, are you out of your goddamn mind? They're not covering like heart surgeries. Yeah. They're covering my chemotherapy. No. No. After I watched you arrive earlier, it just made me sad and horny. Oh, I was so horny, but then I went out to go and then I realized something's wrong with me, not the world. And I was like, I need help. So then I went to another one. Yeah. But yeah, other things aren't giving me what that gave me. It's like tough. So I just, it's valid. I'm on my explore page. What do you think is going to happen? How do you think the summer house reunion is going to end? Whoa. I don't know. Could your hypnotherapist tell us? Yeah. How will it end? Depressing. I don't, it's going to be sick. I'm glad Mia was there. Yeah. I did hear that part. At the reunion? Yeah. No, when she, I thought, at least audio, when she goes, you left your marriage to be a side chick. Like you fucking pathetic. One of us side bitches, yeah. Side bitches, like that was good. It was a little harsh though. Well, it's not harsh at all. That's true. Someone fucks over your friend. That's the least mean thing. I would strangle the bitch. I guess. That's true. My, I was at like. Someone fucked my friends. Like, I don't know. You would stand up for your people. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. I mean, she's standing up for her friend. Yeah. I don't think that's that mean. She is a side bitch. She left her marriage to be a side bitch. Mm-hmm. Look, no, when she didn't. What do you mean? I don't think she'd left Kyle for West. Oh, like it would have ended anyways. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's why. So the details are what? Yeah. It doesn't bother me. I just think, like, I hope they stay on point at the reunion. Do you think there's going to be even another season of Summer House with these people? No, I think the cast will definitely have a shake-up, and then there's the whole in-the-city element. And then there was like, there was some kind of reality TV conference, and I guess there was speculation that there might be some sort of like West Wilson, Summer House, Ozark, spin-off. Oh my god. Which I never thought would be true, but I thought the answer to the executive was interesting because usually when things aren't real, they're quick to be like, that's not a thing. But whoever spoke on it answered it in a very kind of like, I can't really. The issue with that is. I would watch, I mean, I hate that it's like a fun show. It would be really good if you're getting a Summer House, but people go and party in the Ozarks and like on boats and shit, like that's my people, you know? I don't really give a fuck. I mean, if they want to give him a show, I don't care. I don't want to watch it with West, but I would, well, I would, if West was the Dolores. You need your villains. I don't know. Like that's what I don't understand about like stand. But he doesn't lean into villain and that's what bothers me. He doesn't lean into the villain. He's still doing, I'm a good boy. But it's not landing. It's not. You know, and when he does the whole like, I don't. I just, I'm just sad and the sad boy kind of thing. But now I think people see through it and now it's easy to. Someone online, the theory is like, I wonder if he's going to start going right wing conservative mannisfir since the people that supported him are now like, fuck you. You've been fake. Like I want, I hope he doesn't, I hope he doesn't switch. I don't think he's going to go that far. I hope, I hope not. I did, I did think that his, when he randomly started posting politics a few months ago, I thought it felt performative. He's just clearly hyper aware of, of. How he's perceived. How he's perceived. That's the new youth way to speak. But also, but that, but that doesn't land because like if he was, he can't have imagined this would have landed. I think he thinks with, I think he wants to fuck. I don't think he'd like thought that far. And Amanda is so beautiful to me. I think he never thought it would make, I think they had this like secrecy, swore to secrecy, and then this whole like video, whatever thing got put over their heads and they were forced their hand. And, but I don't think either of them were ever going to let this see the light of day. Yeah, they were probably just going to fuck around and. Yeah, you're probably right. They didn't have to find out. You're probably right. But the statement and then finding out it's chat, G.B.T. It's like, was it a joke? Oh, Amanda was joke. Yeah, joking. Can't have them. But then they were like, see, it was like chat, G.B.T. would be smarter. And then Amanda was like, well, I'm joking. Oh, wow. But like the statement didn't make sense. Yeah. It was basically we're in a situation ship. It's wild. It's so fucking strange. Well, I also want to talk Southern hospitality because I don't want Maddie and Joe Bradley together. Okay. I want Maddie to soar. Fly through the sky. Especially after that last episode. Yes. He was doing his best. You're sober, girlfriend. You're going to do a pirate blackout party? Does Joe Bradley just another Wes Wilson? No, no, no, no. No, Joe's more inside. Joe's less. Which is attachment, Wes Wilson. Joe's trying to support Maddie, but doing all the wrong things accidentally is my take. And me, you know, I don't understand that girl. No, she's a horror movie villain. Yes, it's a lot. It's like a gone girl. But gone girl was chic. You know, you're right. And she had that little cougar monologue and Emmy is screaming, crying, throwing up just because she has to deal with what? The consequences of her actions and her words. And then sitting at a table just being like, I love this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was wild. I don't know. I even if you are racist and don't get anything, why wouldn't you just be like, oh, I'm sorry, I fucked up. I didn't think about that. Even just when I were talking about this, it was just like, oh, like at the end of the day, if you hurt your friend, just as a friend, you should just be like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Michael's your issues are stupid. And you need to be blind loyal to me. Like what the fuck? Take out any sort of context. That's just an insane thing to say regardless. She or her brain, I don't understand how the neural pathways go around there. As someone who's taking stuff for that, I don't get Emmy. No, but I want Michael's and TJ forever. And I think Michael's is the most mature, emotionally cool person we've ever had and I'm Bravo. Like I love him. I love him. Ever? Some. Yeah, I'm impressed by him at such a young age to be like vulnerable and real and open, but also like professional at work and going through. So I don't know. I like love him. He's also really tall and good looking. He's really hot. Yeah. To John. Yeah. Honestly, Michael's kind of reminds me of Justin a little bit. Wait, tell me who you think is more cool. I mean, Eileen Davidson, she was from Bedfills. She was emotionally grounded. But who else? I don't know. You just said ever. I was like. Yeah, because I'm I don't I can't think of someone that has impressed me so much with their like maturity. I don't want to take anything away from Michael. I mean, he does do silent treatment, which is immature. My bad. Still passive aggressive. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Passive aggressive. He's like 22 managing a nightclub. Yeah. Can you guys get me a table at Republic or what? Like, should we go down? Should do like you're closer with them than we are. You want to do a yeah, let's do a baby moon at Republic. There we go. I just want more TJ and Michael's romance. And then someone should write a book about it. Yeah. And then it's all about them watching Salt Lake City. It's just so romantic. And it's just like it's just coded text messages through how much they love Salt Lake City about fucking each other. Yeah. And then hopefully they fuck them too. Yeah. Yeah, they would also fuck. It's a good show. I like them being together. It's the best show. I love Southern hospitality. I love it. It's really good. I don't know if it's good, but it's like young people. I like it. It's better than the reboot of Vanderpump. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Do you want to talk to Bev Hills or do you? Yeah, I'll talk. I just I'm so Garcelle that, you know, I hate all of them, but you know, I'll dab always. Well, they talked about Garcelle at the reunion. Part two. They never stopped. They never stopped. Always on their minds. You will never get away from this. Her impact. One in that haunts you. Well, anyways, the Beverly Hills Housewives reunion part two is on. I am once again, team Amanda. I think Bose kind of looked silly. You really saw it like Bose was your girl. Like you were writing down. I still love Bose. I was thinking this particular. And what was it? Amanda came in and then you were like, well. Well, did you see that Bose kind of like went for Andy post episode two? So in part two of the reunion, they, you know, Amanda and Bose were kind of at each other. So like they both have like these online courses. They're both successful business people. And Bose has come for Amanda suggesting that she is a fraud, that she is scamming people, which is a, isn't it? Which is an aggressive attack on anyone's business. It better be true if you're going to accuse someone of being a scam artist. Well, it's not an accusation. I think Amanda admits to me. No, she doesn't. Being like, I don't know anything. You just have to spiritually say I want money and bring it to me. Whatever it is, I just think it, she's not, I think she's upfront with what she's offering and she's not. I mean, it's, and I don't, it doesn't seem like the people who have signed up for her classes or whatever it is, I don't know what it is. I've had to have taken exception. And, and anyways, they're talking about it. And then Bose says something about, I don't know, something about like being a short-term thing, being the CMO and Andy kind of gives her a look. Like that doesn't make sense. And then Bose is just like, well, that's kind of how a CMO is. It's like a short-term thing. It's just like you get hired to do a job and you're done. And I'm like, wait, you're, you're describing in a consultant, not a like a chief executive officer, like, or chief marketing officer or whatever. But like that's, and yeah, those things could be short-term, but that's not what you're describing. It didn't really make much sense. And then she goes post episode and she does this whole like Instagram and she's like posting these articles about how like apparently in the industry, the chief marketing officer is often like a scapegoat for like other executives because like, you know, when, when campaigns, you know, which also I'm sure is true. Like I don't, I don't doubt that that's true, but that's not in any way had anything to do with what like Amanda and Andy were talking about. And it was like, well, which one is it? Are did you, are you, are you being scapegoated because you're a chief marketing officer or or is a chief marketing officer like a short-term employment contract? It felt like she was kind of talking on both sides of her mouth. I need them to keep things to where I can understand them. Yeah. You start giving me acronyms of your business and I, I don't know. Sure. Yeah. I want drama over past apps. But also then, and then, and then Bose is like, well, you're just, you're just trying, you have your business to make as much money as you possibly can. And what I appreciate about Amanda, she thought about the accusation. She goes, yeah, which I honestly appreciate fucking honesty because also like when you're in like the idea that people are in business not to make money is disingenuous and and Bose didn't accuse her of making money at all costs. She just accused her of trying to make as much money as possible. I thought she was referring to like talking about it on the show. No, she was just- And she was trying to like profit off of being on the show and like promoting her and make as much money as possible talking about her. I mean, whatever, you were allowed to make as much money as possible. I thought it comes across as disingenuous to be like to, and then it's like, well, why are you doing it, Bose? Like if you're not doing it just for goodwill, you're in, you're not doing it to give back. I mean, are you off? You know, it's just like you're coming after her business and Amanda has a right to defend herself. You know, sometimes comedians like that have been doing it for a long time, they get really hateful about like, if you're an influencer, you get famous on the internet or then you're a newer comedian, but you're selling out theaters or doing better. And it's this thing of like, well, you didn't do it the right way and you're not actually a comedian and this and that. And you can rile yourself up and you could be like, oh, you didn't do open mics. You didn't do this, but it's like, whatever, it's working. It's hard to connect to an audience. They did it. Like this has nothing to do with you. And I get that from her where it's like, I follow the rules. I did it the right way. Yeah. I think Bose looks at Amanda and says, like, we're not the same. Yes, that's what it is. And she and I think she made a bunch of assumptions about who Amanda was. And I think at the end of the day, Amanda is a serious business person. And yeah, I think, I think a Bose kind of played herself a little bit. Yeah. It is interesting because Bose and Amanda are two complete like character foils of each other. And it is so specific in the way that they like process talking about money of like the analytical Bose and then literally manifesting mama Amanda going at it. And they will literally never understand each other. Like there's no their brains work completely differently, like not good or bad. Like it's just sometimes you really are just, you know, on the complete opposite end of a spectrum. And Bose like, you know, her partner passed. Yeah. And I think when that happens, so much finance money, all of there's just so much on her. And you're right, like they're they're coming from such separately. And then it is. And Amanda is just like, you just got to think about it and the money will come. Yeah. And that's the most infuriating thing to say to someone who has been literally spending their entire like career working so hard and just grinding nonstop. And then this girl comes in and is just like, we just have to believe in it. She's like, you just have to write it in your journal. And I just choose not to do. Talk about what Amanda is doing. It's not what Amanda is doing, but it's the it's the spirituality vibe. Yeah. It's the girliness of it. It's the it's really about internalize the budget. It's when people got like spend money to make money. I go, you can't tell that to people. Like that's like not because the woman from Shark Tank. Barbara Barbara. Yeah. She was like, I never I didn't save a penny. She was like, I spent spent spent spent and I would spend all my money and then a million dollars would come right back in. It's like, that's really cool. I would cry if I had to spend that much money. Kyle and the Marisi of it all, that little flashback was so. Oh, and Kyle said I own half of the agency. Oh, she does. Yeah, she does. I actually like I didn't that whole cast it's no matter who the focus was. It's just a bunch of people projecting their own trauma. Yeah. You know, because like, you know, so many of these women have had divorces. Erica's had a divorce with Tom Gerardi, who was literally in jail. You know, you have DeRede going through divorce and PKs doing interviews, like trying to like throw her under the bus and he seems like just kind of a shady. I mean, DeRede and PK do seem like the same person. They do feel like they are made for each other. Now that they're getting divorced throughout each other's throats. But like Kyle has this like they're no longer together, but they're still married. They seem to have a lot of mutual respect. And I do think the way that all these women are like telling her how she needs to get divorced. And maybe there's some like Bose was the only one who made sense, which is like, at least while you guys are getting along. Maybe this is a good time to like separate assets, which that is that is practical advice. The rumors I hear is that Mauricio does shady shit. So if they get divorced, all their filings and money will come out. And then he's going to have to have more trouble with the law. Because he's gotten in trouble with this one house. He was double dipping. Like I think he that's what I heard from a friend alleged. That's all. A legend. But that's giving blog though. Who knows? Maybe it's true. But like I feel like that's could potentially just be under the internet speculation of fan theory. And I know it doesn't have to necessarily be nefarious. No, no, no. But I wonder if that's it. Like why split up all these assets and like give everyone all these filings into the courts when we don't have to when we get along. And I think in 10 years, they'll get back together. But I, you know, like if they seem to have an ideal situation where they have this family, they have their daughters, there's a mutual respect, they've made a lot of money together. For whatever reason, they've lost the love for what, you know, he's out there doing his thing, being a fuck boy. She's figuring out her life. But like if you're not. What happened was he didn't emotionally fulfill her when her best friend passed away in a tragic way. And that's what happened. Whatever the reason. Did not. It just seems like. I mean, when Andy asked, is part of this emotional disconnect part of the reason why you guys got a divorce? She said, yeah. I mean, that was cold as hell when he goes life passes. When she was breaking down at Amanda's house and they showed that flashback and he and she's like, I'm just sad. And they showed that video of like Kyle and one of their daughters is like a little girl and like, are, you know, with, it just like, that was hard to watch because it just tells you just how fast time is. And like, here's this younger version of Kyle and our younger daughters who are now getting married. And it's just like that life, that life that they built together. People trivialize like reality TV often and I have to like have these discussions with losers. And they're like, Oh, it's this or that. I go at the end of the day, if they're vapid or whatever bad things, we've seen children be born. We've seen people lose their parents, get homes foreclosed on, go to prison. Like we are a part of they're really sharing the real fucking lives and it's a lot. We've seen poor should grow up. Yeah, it was just kind of sad anyways. And then Doreet, Doreet's lost her. Well, to me, it's like they're all jealous. It's like, yeah, Kyle is richer than you. She's more connected than you. She's hotter than you. Like what do you want? Yeah. Like they're so fucking jealous of her. They all come for her. And then they're mad that Kyle's like, I'm rich. Sorry. Like what the fuck? And to Kyle's point, it is half of Kyle's because I'm assuming what she's saying is true is that they were both poor. Then they got rich. In California, it was one of the 250-50 states in this country. So like it doesn't matter. It is half of her. It's Kathy's part though where she's like, does he know that? Because it's kind of like Kathy's picking into the part where it's like, do they even talk about this or are they avoiding those conversations? Maybe so. But again, you're projecting like, again, maybe Amanda, like we said last week, maybe Amanda's husband isn't like PK. Maybe Mauricio for all his faults is still loyal to Kyle. And his family. You know, and maybe he's not going to like screw over Kyle. Maybe he will. I don't know. But the way all these women will project what's happening to them on each other is. And they never have the empathy for each other when they're going through it. Yeah. Yeah. No. Wait, you mentioned Kathy, which obviously reminds me of Caviar sour cream, which reminds me of Rhode Island. Potato. Do not call something a hot dog if there's not a hot dog in there. Those creme fresh hot dogs that she was passing out at the party with the caviar. You can't say it's a hot dog if there's no hot dog. A hot dog does need a little. Why not just have a little toast then? It's like a veggie dog, but it's not veggie. It's caviar. No, no, no. It wasn't. It was creme fresh and caviar on top in a bun. Yeah. It's a different version of a veggie dog. You're really just using a hot dog style bun. If anything, you need to get different breading because that's a bit thick. And then you had to read basically wanting a credit for this whole, the whole Morgan weight of it all. Well, it comes from Andy saying, it comes from Andy saying, what were you in quotes protecting her? Because Doree's claims she's protecting Kyle. Which is basically like if a friend was like, hey, can I tell you something? Please don't tell anyone. And they're like, yeah, for sure. I won't. Like Doree wants credit. That's Doree protect. Like if I was like, hey, Lisa, can I tell you a secret? And like we're friends, right? Please don't say anything. Apparently, if that were to happen, that would be you protecting me by not telling anyone. Yeah. It's also like. According to Doree. Talking about two to Kyle's defense, obviously everyone kind of gives her a hard time about the Morgan of it all because it's whatever. But it's literally her being like, hey, I'm in this relationship with maybe I'm into this relationship possibly with this woman maybe. And I don't really know what that means about me or my sexuality. Like I'm confused. Don't want to talk about it publicly. Don't really want it to be on the show. Maybe I got a little too close to the sun by having us tattoo each other. And now I'm regarding my decision. Can we just like not talk about it because I don't want to get outed when I'm not ready. And then Doree, it's like, yeah, the fact that that's the same as not going to your book event. Is when she when Andy had that perfect analogy being like, well, you know, I thought Sutton made perfect sense. She's like, listen, like you, you came to my thing and just talk shit. So I just opted to not come and talk shit. And then he's like, Andy's like, that kind of makes sense and gives Doreen analogy. And she's like, well, that's just a bad analogy. I'm like, and Andy goes like, I thought it was perfect. And it was perfect. And it was like, you can't even admit to that. You can't even acknowledge. Like it's just, you know, she can't admit to anything because then when she starts admitting stuff, she will drop to her knees and cry at her life that she's built. That's based on lies. Yeah. Yeah. Like she can't look inward because she will combust with the trees. I am curious why Garcelle's thoughts would be on this because that was one of the reasons why Garcelle and Sutton drifted apart. Because Garcelle was asking Kyle about it. And then Sutton talked to me on the camera about it. And then on camera, wouldn't mention anything. It is. It is interesting that so much of this context of Beverly Hills is just that one thing you can't talk about. It's always been the boring. It's been the, not always. It's a hangout show. It's the most boring because they're so savvy. It's like the Hollywood. But they're talking, they keep referencing production while pretending we're not supposed to acknowledge that it's production. And it's just like. Yeah. Sutton saying that we were all asked to read the article about Erica's like super production because that season was all. And saying that she was giving the $2 million loan tidbit about Amanda. She's like, well, that was given to me. Yeah. It's like. My true woman. I mean Sutton. Sutton, I mean, it's so sad for her because she had a real friendship with Garcelle. And she chose proximity to people who don't like her at all over an actual friendship. And then pretending she doesn't know what happened. That's why Garcelle was her. Well, Lisa Trigger, everybody, where can they follow you? Glitter cheese on Instagram. But then my Netflix special Night Owl. Still keep watching it. Keep watching that. Thank you to all our guests, including Lisa and Jay Ellis. We'll be back tomorrow with a bonus episode of reality recap. We'll be diving deep into all the Mormon wives drama that's going out on the internet right now. A lot of Jesse Draper and Dakota going at it. For you, Taylor, for Paul, as I entered the chat. We'll be jumping into that and so much more. So do not forget to tune in. Tell your friends, subscribe, all that fun stuff. Thanks for coming by. Thank you. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye-bye.