Danny Sheehan on Disclosure, Power, and a Deathbed Alien Encounter

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He told them telepathically, they took down the notes on the card that I am part of this group that has been tasked to go around the galaxy, monitoring life that has developed on these rare planets. And Earth is one of them. So hi, everyone, and welcome back to That UFO Podcast. As always, my name is Andy, and I'm joined on today's show by returning guest, an incredibly popular guest. He is the president of the New Paradigm Institute and acclaimed civil rights activist and constitutional lawyer, Daniel Sheehan. Danny, welcome back again, sir. Thanks, Andy. It's a treat. It's a treat to be here. yeah and you did say that to me before the show started as well so danny's not lying there folks he does enjoy coming on this show uh because of all of you and your wonderful questions and no doubt how i put them across to him um but danny it's um it's been quite the start to the year 2026 and ufo world i i said the other day online to some folks it seems like disclosure has never been further away yet to another camp it seems like it's never been closer where do you sit right now in February 2026 with the whole disclosure process and where the UFO conversation is? Well, I think that it has never been closer, actually. I'm in that camp. The fact is that, you know, there have been little ups and downs down through the 80-year period, you know, basically. It's, well, basically a 78 year period from Roswell. I mean, that's the one when, I guess the first time they'd ever had some kind of official body sent out a news announcement that they've discovered and covered a UFO, you know, and even though they covered it up pretty quickly, that was the thing that there was a great impetus at that time. And there was a lot of pressure coming on, the military authorities, and they were comparatively new at that. Now, if you think that they got the craft in 1933, you know, from through the Vatican that landed or crashed allegedly in Italy, or there may have been an earlier one in 1945, but, you know, we do know that in 1947, we know that they got the debris, at least from the crash at Roswell. And so they They were fairly new at trying to figure out how to lie about it and cover it up, and they were pretty clumsy. And so there was a major push in there. And then there was the big, huge flap, I think in 1952, with all the flyovers in Washington, D.C. That made it very hard for them not to deal with it. And then they came out with the kind of bumbling statements about the, you know, et cetera. So it went up and down. But the fact of the matter is that we all know, those of us who are younger now and in this particular, we're still alive in this particular time period, we know that the surge began in December of 2017 with Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon bringing the information that they did to the New York Times. and then everybody started feeling that maybe it was okay because the New York Times Board of Editors, with their special relationship with the national security state, were authorizing everybody to confirm that it was true. And as you had Lou and Chris, you had Chris as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under both the Clinton administration and the W. Bush administration telling everybody that UFOs were real. And so it's very clear that at that point in time, some kind of shift happened in the general societal view of this, that there were people in positions of legitimate authority telling people that UFOs were a real thing. And it wasn't true that the Air Force wasn't paying any attention to them, didn't consider them real at all. And so that began. Now, that particular period, of course, is like six years ago. a full five years ago. So there's been this five-year period where these things have been happening, which have entailed the Congress. And probably the big move was the United States Senate actually slipping into the National Defense Authorization Act, the Senate version, in 2003 actually, to try to get inserted into the 2004 National Defense Authorization Act a whole set of acknowledgments that UFOs were real, that there was a legitimate question about whether they were extraterrestrial. It was quite clear that they were attributing these potentially to non-human entities. This was a huge event that happened with the passage by the Senate of their version of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2024. Now, that got nipped in the bud, people thought, on the House side when all they agreed to do is pass 23 pages of it. But it was the provisions ordering the six U.S. military services, the 18 U.S. intelligence agencies, all 32 of the United States Defense Department agencies, at least on the House side, they excluded ordering the private aerospace corporations. But all the U.S. government entities were ordered to turn over, to gather together and put together in a comprehensible indexed form every single piece of information they had about the UFO phenomenon, dating all the way back to January of 1945. Okay, that was an extraordinarily important kind of theatrical event, at least, even though the House changed it to say you have to deliver it to the National archives as soon as possible. Well, as soon as we lawyers saw that the House had changed the language from the Senate side, which said they have to deliver it immediately by a certain date, it was basically into October of the coming year in 2024. And the House side intentionally removed that deadline and said, you have to deliver it as soon as possible. And we all knew at that stage that they were not going to comply. They were going to pretend that their mother horse died. They've got the flu. They had a hangnail, and they couldn't do it. And that's what's happened. We got this real slow-moving, dragging out, dripping and drabbing little pieces of information over to the National Archives. And so on a scale of one to 100, you've got no more than a 1% compliance with the actual order. But the order is still outstanding from the House of representatives and the Senate, which is very important. Okay. So, so, and very importantly, the, the, the house specifically had a number of important hearings, uh, that went on, you know, from that period, uh, primarily in, in 2004, 2005, you know, they, we've had these, these, uh, uh, these, uh, well, I mean, 2000, uh, 24, 25, yeah. 24, 25. We have, we had these years in, And the Grush testimony was extremely important, that July of 2024 testimony, where he basically, in a place where he had a reason to know, came forward under oath and testified to Congress in open session that, in fact, our United States government was in possession of one or more non-human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft. And the bodies, or he said biologics, but the bodies that were proven to be non-human. That was a real watershed moment, a real watershed moment. Okay. And so that when that happened, when the Congress was being told that, they began to suspect that they had some obligation to find out more because the House Oversight Committee had already taken the position with Dave Grush to expose to the public that we had these vehicles and that we knew that they were non-human and we knew that they were extraterrestrial. Okay. So that was an important watershed moment. So you would have expected, you would have expected logically that everybody would have been, you know, like in the science fiction movies when, you know, a UFO lands in Central Park, that all the news media would be jumping up and down and screaming and hollering about this. But they didn't because the higher levels of the Defense Department kept on telling them, no, there was no evidence at all. It wasn't true what Gresh was saying. We don't have these vehicles. We don't have any biologics. We don't have any, and this is Arrow. The Arrow office that got set up, you know, with Sean Kirkpatrick, was actually asserting that they had no credible evidence of any kind that we were in possession of any such vehicles or that they were of any origin that was non-human. And so we're still suffering from the pushback that's going on from the Arrow office and from the Defense Department in their official statements. So the average person doesn't quite know what to make of this. they're saying, well, you know, we're getting told this stuff of testimony is coming out of Congress. We all heard about that. But then the people in official positions are telling us that it's not true. We don't know what to think. Okay. But those of us, those of us who have a political IQ above room temperature, you know, and are knowledgeable about the detailed information that's actually available are now perfectly aware of the fact that there's some degree of pressure on Congress to do something about this. Not because they want to do something about it, but because they think that they're being embarrassed now, that the American people are going to actually lose whatever level of respect they have for the Congress if they don't do something about this. And of course, now the levels of respect for the Congress are down at their lowest levels in history right now. Only 25% of the American public have any confidence in the Congress at all. Okay. And so they're scrambling to try to recover some kind of their credibility. And there's some individuals that are in the House of Representatives that are still leaning in trying to get this information. And these are the people that have succeeded in getting James Comer, who is the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, to agree to set up a task force. This is very important. This task force that has been set up, the task force to declassify government secrets, a task force inside the house oversight committee is actually operational. There are 11 people assigned to this. And they've got their, they've got their teeth deep into the, the Jeffrey Epstein information, which is one of their assignments in there. They're making their chops on that. They have realized that there's a way to demand that a bill get put into the, the house of representatives demanding transparency, on something that's a government secret, in that case, the Epstein files. And if, in fact, the leadership, such as Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, refuses to allow that bill to get put to the floor for a vote, there's such a thing as a discharge petition. And that they can get the majority of the members of the House of Representatives to publicly sign a discharge petition, and they can force it to come to the floor, which they did with the Epstein thing. Now, that was the task force. That was the task force on the declassification of government secrets, the very same body in the Congress that has responsibility for the UFO issue. Okay, so that's very good because they're getting their muscles. They're doing the push-ups. They're doing the sit-ups, you know, to build up their legislative muscles. Now, even though the 11 people that are on that are made up largely of first and second year congresspeople. I mean, and that's not a coincidence. You know, the people that had the least legislative power, you know, in the entire Congress are the ones that were put on the committee, thereby thinking that the leadership of the Congress could give the appearance of really doing something serious, but not doing anything serious. OK, but some of these people haven't gotten the interoffice memo. They aren't aware of the fact that they're not supposed to really be doing anything that seriously. And so you've got people like Luna and Nancy Mace. Very especially, you've got Eric Burleson, Congressman Eric Burleson. He is an honest new legislator, and he believes that he has a constitutional responsibility to get this information. So he's working hard to get it. And despite the fact that the Congress has not passed an effective statute yet, he is in the process of drafting a standalone bill to be introduced into the House of Representatives, demanding that this information be turned over right now, not delaying any longer, that it be turned over to the National Archives immediately. and very importantly, very importantly, the piece of legislation that he is considering right now is going to put into the hands of the House of Representatives in the Senate the ability to appoint the review board, not to go down the road that the Senate bill went of saying, oh, we're going to have the president appoint the people to the review board and let those people decide what's going to be made public and what isn't. That was always a serious problem with that bill. If you put that into the hands of the president to appoint anybody he feels like to that review board and have them be the ones that recommend the publication of the information, you're not going to get anything, right? the executive branch is going to lock down on that and refuse to make it available. And if you have a part of the bill that the president ultimately gets to have the authority, as he did in the Senate bill, to ultimately refuse to allow some particular piece of information to be made public at all, or even to be declassified and made available to the Congress, that was not good. So this bill that Eric Burleson is considering now not only demands the immediate turnover of all of the information that they've been ordered back in 2003 to actually compile and put into a systematic indexed filing system to be delivered to the National Archives. They not only demanded that be done now, finished, and delivered immediately to the National Archives, but that bill has the proposal of having the Congress set up the review panel and make the preliminary decision as to what's going to be publicly revealed. and then the Congress, key committees in the Congress have the authority to override that if they want to, but the presumption is that that board is going to have the authority to make this stuff public. So that's an extraordinarily important moment that we're in right now. There is actually a bill that has been presented to Eric Burleson. He has the bill. He's considering the bill. It puts Congress in charge of declassifying this information, and he's been provided with a detailed legal brief that proves that the Constitution of the United States invests the authority in Congress to declassify any information they choose to, which they didn't even realize. I mean, the Congress was so asleep at the switch that they didn't even know they had that authority, but now they do. People in the executive branch didn't even realize that. They thought they're the ones that had the ultimate authority, but the fact is that authority has been delegated to them by statute, passed by Congress. So the Congress has the ability to amend that and take back into their hands the decision-making power to declassify any information they choose to. And so now the Congress knows that. They have the bill that does that. They have a very powerful whistleblower protection provision in that, much stronger than the one that was in the Senate bill. And so they've got it in front of them now, and they have the capability of doing that. Our New Paradigm Institute is going to be handing out these pledge cards to every single one of the candidates for the 435 seats in Congress this November, and all 33 of the 100 seats in the Senate that are up for re-election, demanding that they sign the pledge card, agreeing that they will support the Burleson bill in the House of Representatives, okay? And that if, in fact, the leadership of the House, Mike Johnson, refuses to put that bill onto the floor for a vote, they will demand a discharge petition, and that they will vote for it, and they will vote for the Transparency Act. Okay? We know the playbook is established now. They know how to do it, and we all know they know how to do it. Okay? And so we're organizing the people around the country in the United States, since the people in the United States are the 5% of the population of the entire planet that has the constitutional ability to force them to do this. Okay. So we are organizing the people. We have groups now in 35 of the 50 states, and we're going to be organizing them in all 435 congressional districts to compel the candidates for the House office seats and the Senate office seats to sign the pledge card that they will support this legislation. And if they refuse to or fail to sign the pledge card. We are going to tell everybody that they refuse to support transparency on the UFO issue. And the reality is people in the United States are pissed, you know, right now at the government, at the federal executive branch. And they're totally disappointed in the Congress to the point where 75 to 80% of the people in the country will express their lack of confidence in the Congress right now, okay? So that we have this extraordinary moment going on in the United States right now, where we have an opportunity to educate and organize and mobilize the citizenry of the United States to come forward and demand that their representatives, you know, grant transparency on this UFO information. This is a unique set of facts in the entire 80 year period of the movement to try to get disclosure on the UFO stuff. This is the... So I believe we're at the moment where there's the greatest level of probability of our getting significant disclosure than we've been at in the entire 80-year period of this movement. That's the short answer to your first question. Ik snap dat je je podcast wil luisteren, dus ik zal het kort houden. Want als jij het belangrijk vindt om duurzamere keuzes te maken, kan ASR misschien helpen? Nou hoor ik je denken, hoe dan? Well, for example, when you're paying for the things you love, you're going to be a risk. Want to know more about the insurance where a risk risk possible is? Go to asr.nl slash duurzamekeuzes. This is for you and a more expensive relationship. Asr does it. So, now you can listen to your podcast. online build fast with templates and ai descriptions and photos inventory and shipping sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl that's shopify.nl it's time to see what you can accomplish with shopify by your side yeah i was going to say i think yeah i think the question was hi danny how are you listen it's a wonderful opening and there's a lot of one day pick out there and right now you can't have any conversation, I don't think, without Epstein coming up. Because in every aspect of society, here in the UK, the United States, everything has Epstein bleeding into it, for right or for wrong. Is there not a concern? And there is for me, I suppose, let me put it this way, so I'm not just putting this on other people. You mentioned transparency, and that's such a big thing here. Yet, the same task force was trying to get these files out, and we're getting stuff out, but so much of it is heavily redacted. And there's people being accused of some absolutely abhorrent crimes that would go down as some of the worst in mankind's history on an individual basis, even taking away the collective of what may have been going on. And they won't even publish their names and email addresses. That's right. I mean, so then what chance do we have in getting, will we? What's getting ready to happen is the members of Congress are now demanding, and they have gotten the permission by the Justice Department of the Trump to see the redacted information. Okay, that's an important. Danny, really, though, do you not think, and I know you're the legal mind here, right? Not me. Yes. But these are some very powerful people, I imagine. Some of them, we will know their names. some of them will be famous celebrities famous movie stars famous politicians Others we won have a clue who they are Right But they still being do you not think there an element of power that goes along with this And this transfers back to the UFO topic as well, that you're going to get some information released. And there's just some of the stuff that they don't want out, no matter how legally bulletproof it is in legislations that are passed. Things are going to be withheld. People will be disappeared. people will be unalived for the algorithm-friendly word of it. And that just won't come out. We're not going to get the totality of it. How do you combat that level of elitism and power? What you do is you work with the young women who now are getting energized and muscled up who know who those people are. Okay? And even though the powers that be in the Justice Department and even potentially some of the people in the Congress itself, you know, don't want these people revealed. The women know who they are. And so what we have to do is work with the women, work with the lawyers for the women to get them to come forward and identify these people, tell when it was to the best of their memory that they were on the island with them, what they look like, what they understand who the people were. And the truth has this extraordinarily consistent way of coming forward. The question is, can we accelerate that? Can we accelerate it so that we can get this done while all of them are still alive, right? So that some people can actually seek retribution against them. You know, you get Harvey Weinstein is now sitting in prison, right? And he was one of the most powerful guys in all of Hollywood. And the reality is that almost everybody that was anybody in Hollywood knew what he was doing, right? But nobody wanted to talk about it. But all of a sudden, he's been convicted. Now, what they want to do is they want to throw some individual sacrificial lambs sort of under the bus and then walk away and say, oh, good, we got that handled. But the reality is there is a pathway by means of which under the umbrella of the Jeffrey Epstein files, we can start to set up procedures inside the Congress pursuant to which information like this can, in fact, be made public. Okay? And so as I mentioned earlier, we're developing the playbook by means of which Congress can do this if they choose to do it, and the playbook by means of which the citizenry can make the people in Congress do it, even though they don't want to. Okay. Even in fact, if they want not to, which is what the problem is here, you know, the people that are in positions of power in, in the Congress are depending on a lot of these wealthy people to give them campaign contributions. Yeah. So they're going to want not to do this. Right. Uh, and so that what we need to do is we need to get the people in the streets, you know, by the tens of thousands. Uh, and, and the fact of the matter is that there is this, because the Trump administration happens to be the one that is at the present time concealing the information about the Epstein files, and the Trump administration is the one that are sending military troops into the democratic cities around the country and shooting American citizens, and there's tens of thousands of people marching in the streets now opposing this, that has an effect upon encouraging the citizens to rise up against the administration and demand that the administration, which is the executive branch, reveal information and stop doing things that they're doing. So there's this major buildup going on in the United States. And here Here you have the hypocrisy going on as a sidebar of the Trump administration deploying U.S. aircraft carriers in battleships around Iran, threatening to oust them from office because they're attacking demonstrators in the street, right? And here he is at the same time deploying tens of thousands of these ICE people all around the country, conspicuously in democratically controlled cities, beating up on people, punching them out, knocking them down, and shooting them. And so we have an opportunity, those of us who are trained lawyers, who know how the legal system works and realize that everything isn't strictly through litigation, but it's through organizing and educating the population and mobilizing them and putting pressure on the right people in the right committees in Congress to get particular things done. So what we're providing, the New Paradigm Institute is providing some of the legal acumen that is necessary to figure out where to apply the pressure and to whom and how to do that. And we've done it in the past because we did the Iran-Contra case. We forced the revelation of the smuggling of the arms to the Contras, even though the entire authority in Washington didn't want it revealed. We've done the Karen Silkwood case. We stopped the construction of the private nuclear power plants. We've done all this in the past, over the past 50 years, so we know how to do this. So I believe that the Epstein thing is extremely important, not only because it is front and center in the mind of everybody, but the fact of the matter is that that information is, in fact, going to come out. And the fact is that the longer the executive branch through its Justice Department holds on to that information and the information is gotten through other ways and is made public, revealing what it is they were trying to keep secret. Right. That is going to be undermining the authority of the executive branch. and we who are demanding that the executive branch turn over information to the Congress can take advantage of the fact that the executive branch has been weakened, okay, in their ability to constrict and hold secret information that the American people want to know, okay? So this dynamic that's going on right now is extraordinarily interesting and is filled with the possibilities right now if, in fact, we all do our job to keep the information coming forward. Because people keep saying, hey, look, when you've got people being shot in the streets and the invasion of Venezuela going on without Congress authorizing it and Congress not even having the courage to invoke the War Powers Act to stop Trump from deploying U.S. military people around the world and attacking other foreign governments without any consent from Congress at all, if you have all of this turmoil going on, why does anybody want to talk about UFOs? Why would you be continuing to just harp on this issue of UFOs? But the answer is clear, that UFOs are one of the topics that a larger percentage of the American public wants to know about, than any other subject other than possibly the Epstein files. Right? So the two of them are kind of cousins to each other. And that's what we're doing. And so we're going to basically, you know, how in race cars, how a lead car in the race car, the other cars get behind it and they get in the vacuum, the draft, they call it, of the lead car, that we are getting the UFO disclosure movement into the draft of the Epstein vehicle that is leading the charge on trying to break this information out of the executive branch and make it available to the people. And the fact that it's going to bring down major people of power and influence in the civilian government who have been behind the scenes helping to make the decisions that the executive branch keeps foisting upon the people that they aren't even supportive of. You know, and they're all doing it on behalf of this rich and powerful elite. OK, and the vast majority of people in the country know that's going on and they've known it's been going on for a long time. They just didn't think they could do anything about it. And that's one of the reasons why now they're relishing this opportunity to bring down and expose some of these rich and powerful people who have been complete hypocrites. you know and that's what's in the process of happening right now over here stateside yeah and it's touching in the UK as well just today the UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer who is the most boring man ever born is under a lot of pressure given he has appointed Peter Mandelson I won't go into the detail I don't know enough of it under the understanding he knew his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein etc etc he's in big bother I wouldn't even go into politics here in the UK but it certainly seems like you see we're in a moment in time that we're going to look back on in years and decades to come where there was a chance of change and I will tell whether that comes or not even in the last few weeks we've had the event at the DC Press Club hosted by James Fox around the Virginia event but a lot of people wanted to know and I'm going to hand over to listener questions now just to kind of structure the rest of the conversation here Nick, I'm going to read out his question based on this but a few folks and I want to know Danny Kirk McConnell made a statement at the end of James Fox's press club event that, and speaking of Congress Congress concurrently received classified information about the UFO legacy program without the authorization of the executive branch I would love Danny to weigh on on this there seem to be a lot of folks afterwards thinking that actually then it seems there should be an easier way right now already for Congress to get hold of this information they say they're struggling to get. So what's actually going on here? It's the hypocrisy of Congress. The Congress of the United States over the decades have developed this completely collective hypocritical stance toward the people, buffaloing the people, and pretending that they don't know certain things. I mean, the people in the Congress have known for decades that the UFO program has been going on. And they just didn't want to acknowledge it because they didn't think they dared do anything about it, frankly, because they were afraid. They were afraid of the people in the executive branch, the covert operations people in the intelligence agencies would strike back against individual elected representatives. And they would pour secret money into their campaigns against them and unseat them. And they would even go so far as to threaten them, blackmail them, find out about their sexual picadillos, and threaten to reveal them publicly. The fundamental underlying danger or problem that we have in the United States is the national security state, which I've mentioned to you before. The existence of this national security state has been set up by the National Security Act of 1947, creating the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Council. And then that's in December of 1947. But in February of 1948, just a few months later, the National Security Council, created by the National Security Act, authorized through a National Security Council directive, authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to engage in covert operations. Okay. And then so when you start authorizing covert operations outside of the country to overthrow democratically elected governments and to assassinate people and blackmail people, and wiretap people's telephones, etc. People should have known at that point that's going to come home. That's going to come home to roost. And it has. The Central Intelligence Agency's operations directorate is not only assassinating people all around the world, but they are threatening people and members of Congress in the Senate with physical violence. I've told Senator Derenberger, who was the senator from Minnesota, stood up on the floor of the United States Senate and demanded a full investigation of the off-the-shelf enterprise that was engaged in the Iran-Contra scandal. You know, and three guys showed up at the house of his home and dragged his wife out of bed and put a gun in her mouth and told her that if he didn't withdraw his request for this full scale investigation by the Senate, they would come and kill her and the whole family. Okay. And Durenberger never told anybody about that. He just withdrew his request for the investigation. and then within the week, you know, front page story from the Washington Times, that right wing Mooney newspaper, you know, big front page story. Here's the love nest for Senator Derenberger with him and his mistress, you know, and then, and that he's an alcoholic and a chronic womanizer. And by that following Friday, he had committed himself, admitted publicly that he was an alcoholic and then committed himself to this right-wing alcohol rehabilitation place called the Cedars outside of Washington, D.C. And his political career was completely over within a week. You know, so they all know that. And that's the activity of our covert operations people in the operations director to the Central Intelligence Agency. And it turns out that it's the operations director to the Central Intelligence Agency, its science and technology subdivision that is the main coordinator of the secrecy around the UFO issue. The same exact people. And they scare people. They threaten people. They threaten not only their political career, but they threaten the physical safety of their families. This is a criminal operation that's going on in the United States. It is poisoning the entire body politic. It's poisoning our entire international relations with everybody. And we have an opportunity here when everything is in such a state of flux, and there's tens of thousands of people marching in the streets opposing this executive branch. Things are so unstable right now that there's an opportunity to start to deconstruct some of these structural sources of injustice that are operational here in the United States and to replace them with just structures. That's what we need to do. The enemy of the UFO disclosure movement is the national security state established here in the United States at the end of World War II. We have to disestablish that, and we need to have negotiations with China and with Russia and other major countries around the world to have them stand down their similar operations, many of which were created in response to the United States. The United States taking the initiative at the end of World War II, I mean, everybody almost saw their countries in the world were on their ass at the end of World War II. I mean, the UK was bombed flat. Russia lost 20 million people dead in World War II. They were tearing up rail lines going into Europe to get metal for them. China, as Lou Elizondo kind of undiplomatically said to the AP when they interviewed him about this, certainly China wasn't very powerful in 1947. You know, they were, their major, he said, their major means of transportation was wooden ox cars with stone wheels, he said. You know, so it wasn't they that were doing it. It's the United States. And it was the elite, the elite, wealthy, powerful, celebrity people behind the scenes who are manipulating the controls in the main corporations, Corporations, the corporate executives, primarily those in the military-industrial complex, just like Eisenhower warned in 1960 when he was leaving office. He said, you know, beware of the military-industrial complex. And he should have said military-industrial intelligence complex that was now operational. Beware of them, because these people are going to be garnering power to themselves. They can undermine our fundamental democratic institutions, which they have and they are presently doing. And so at the base of all of the UFO disclosure, which is there's the highest level of demand on the part of citizenry around the world to get access to this information more than almost any other single thing. Okay? Other than the Epstein files right now. And so we have the opportunity to move on this in a way to help undermine the power and authority of the national security state in the United States, as long as we can negotiate this with China and Russia and possibly India and some others and the NATO countries to stand back, to stand back from this national security state competition for the natural resources of the planet. Utilizing covert operations to seek out and try to maintain their continued privileged access to the strategic raw materials that are needed by the major corporations in their countries. That's what's going on here. That's the deeper analysis of what's really happening here. I understand that you want to listen to this podcast, so I'll keep it short. Because if you think it's important to make a cost-effective choices, can ASR maybe help? I think, how then? For example, when you're selling a cost-effective stuff that you love are, you want to know more about the insurance where a cost-effective choice is? Go to asr.nl. This is for you and a cost-effective society. ASR does it. So, I can now listen to your podcast. designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl. That's shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. Yeah, and I think it's a difficult one to pull out of. I think especially your average person, speaking for those in the UK, are on the bones of their arse, as we say here, in terms of finances are low, wages are low, taxes are high, the roads are a mess, people's houses are falling to bits. If you want to buy a house, as me and my wife know, as we're trying to do in the early days of saving for one, it's so difficult to get on a property ladder. if you go to a shop, our weekly shop is in the hundreds of pounds when that used to do a month. And people are struggling, I think, all across the Western world in most countries just to live. And it must be so difficult then to rally behind any cause, including UFOs, especially, again, not to go back to it too much, but as a politician seeking re-election or election in a midterm, that you're going to sit on the UFO card or the X-team card. and someone's going, yeah, but I want to buy milk to feed my kids or I want to buy cereal to feed my kids. And it's like, where do you go with that? And it's so difficult. And I don't envy, I don't feel sorry for politicians, but I also don't envy them for the ones who are trying to do the right thing here. And I think a good follow-up to that from short stuff is, with all the evidence already available, the admission of knowledge about NHI and UAP by senior politicians and military personnel is there. Is there nothing in the U.S. Constitution that can be leveraged to force people to give evidence of NHI or UAP crash retrievals in public or force the president to make a public statement? If not, what else does Danny think needs to happen for that to take place? Yeah, yeah. The fact of the matter is the Article 1 of the United States Constitution that creates the Congress, okay, both the House and the Senate. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 14 specifically states that Congress has the authority to make the rules and regulations governing the activities of the land and naval forces of the United States. which means they have the ultimate authority to determine what's classified and what isn't classified as part of the procedure for the military. Because the assertion that's being made by the executive branch is all of this secrecy is surrounding the development of a weapons system, the weaponization of the technology, the energy technology, the propulsion technology of the UFOs. And so they're pretending this is like a big Manhattan project, right? It's like the next big major weapons system on the planet. And therefore, they can kill people to keep this secret. And they can do anything that they want to to keep this all secret, okay? But the bottom line is that the Congress of the United States clearly and explicitly in the Article 1 that created Congress has the specific designated authority to make the rules and regulations governing their conduct, okay? And so the Congress has to dare to do that. And so that we have the pathway through to it. And the problem is here, let me back up a bit. The problem is that the vast majority of people in the United States and in the UK and in other countries around the world, they don't pay that much attention to participating in governing. Half of the people in the United States don't even know who their congressperson is. So they don't participate. They don't pay any attention to that. And all they've been trained out of or into this state of consciousness, where they don't really believe that they have any power, that they have any real authority. And so they don't pay much attention to it. They spend their time watching football games, whether it's soccer or rugby or American football, or they watch one of 500 movies that they can get on their television, which they can now talk to and change the channels. You know, they're sitting back, you know, being into these material things, right? And led to believe that they have to work every day, all day long, two jobs sometimes, both the man and the woman in the family, you know, in order to get food for their kids. And what's the price of bread and what's the price of milk and eggs, okay? And the people who are manipulating those costs are the rich and powerful corporations. And here you have the, you know, in the United States, this is transparent as you could want. Donald Trump is proposing vastly reducing the amount of income tax that the wealthiest 1% of the people in the country have to pay. and that lack of income flowing into the government, he's using to take the money away from paying for health benefits, food stamps, helping to keep down the prices of food and stuff in the country. And it's just as plain as day. What's happening here? The reason that the prices are rising for the cost of all of these things and the wages are not going up to enable people to cover this is because of the rich and powerful, the elite that own the stock and run the companies the major corporations Now one doesn have to be a Marxist or a socialist to understand that And so what we need to do is we need to get the people who are mad as hell about this situation to understand what the cause of it is. And they have sort of an instinctive sense that it's these guys that are you know, going around getting rubbed downs by 14-year-old girls with no clothes on, you know, and trying to have sexual relations with them. You know, it's these people that are doing that to them. They've got that kind of instinctive sense. And what we're saying is, hey, you're right. You're right. But you're going to have to do a lot more than simply expose them for their sexual weirdness and put a handful of them in prison. You're going to have to do more than that. You're going to have to get up off the couch and stop watching so many football games and so many different movies and stuff like that. The only other pastime you have other than going and working for one of these companies, either directly or indirectly, and do your job. Do your job as citizens. That's the key to this thing. We've got to get the Congress people to do their job as Congress people. We've got to get the citizens to do their job as citizens. And we still have the devices available, both in the UK and in most of the Western NATO countries, and in the United States. We have the mechanisms available to do this if we will get off our butts and do our work, rather than wringing our hands and feeling in despair over not knowing what to do about all this. So that's what we're doing. And the New Paradigm Institute is attempting to not only educate and organize and mobilize the people of the United States around this one particular issue, but also around the other issues that the task force for the declassification of government secrets are assigned to figure out not only the Epstein files and the UFO files, but also the JFK assassination files, the 9-11 files. I just had yesterday, yesterday I just had two federal government investigators come to my home to insist that I give them information about something that I know about 9-11. Not because they're trying to solve what 9-11 is about. They're trying to find out what everybody knows about it. But people know there's a rat in the woodpile there. You don't have Osama bin Laden's family all being flown out of the United States secretly while all the other planes in the whole United States are down, ordered to stand down. You don't have that happening. You don't have the Central Intelligence Agency being involved in getting the visas for two of the people that are listed as the hijackers of the planes. You don't have that. There's a rat in the woodpile there, but nobody dares do anything about it because they're afraid of these people. That's the reality of this. We can't be afraid. There's power in numbers. If all of us rise up together and we take a stand against this national security state, demand that it start being deconstructed, not only here in the United States, but also in Russia and also in China, don't insist upon them going farther down that road. Russia, historically, was not an imperialist country. I mean, they've got more land than they know what to do with anyhow. And China wasn't either. The empires in China asserted kind of dominion over a certain limited portion of the world, but they weren't into trying to take over the planet. That's the United States national security state's job. They are determined to establish full military, full spectrum dominance over the planet. And they say so. in the 1992 United States Defense Department policy planning guidance document prepared under Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and then President George H.W. Bush. They said it flat out. Their objective is to establish full spectrum military dominance over the planet so that they can defeat any nation state and any non-nation state organization anywhere on the planet at any time. And the purpose for this military domination is to seek out and maintain their continued privileged access to the strategic raw materials that they believe they need. And of course, who do they need them for? They need them for the major corporations to be able to stimulate and provide the natural resources to the corporations to make them into products so that they can have a thriving economy so that, you know, the United States citizens is 5% of the population on the planet can consume like 40% of all of the non-renewable resources that are developed on the planet every single calendar year. I mean, is anybody not noticing what's going on here? You know, this is, you just have to sit. Now, the reason that I'm capable of having these kinds of perspectives is because I served as general counsel at the Jesuit headquarters, in their social ministry office, trying to understand how the world, how the globe was working. I was fortunate enough to get to go to Harvard College to have Henry Kissinger for foreign policy. I was the one that sat in the all-male class, the last all-male class at Harvard University College, in Gov 182, taught by Henry Kissinger, and have Henry Kissinger tell us In the first day of Gov 182, gentlemen, if there's any man in this class who believes that we do not have the right to lie, cheat, and steal, and even kill on behalf of the best interests of our country, you shouldn't remain in this course. Right? Okay. That's a reality. That's a fact. Okay? And I was fortunate enough to get to go to Harvard Law School after that. I was fortunate enough to get to become legal counsel in the Pentagon Papers case with the lawyers in the firm that retained me. I was fortunate enough to be one of the co-founders of the Harvard Civil Rights Law Review at law school to establish a case where we establish the right of journalists, investigative journalists, to protect their confidential news sources. So what I have done is I've attempted to put all of these extraordinary blessings and opportunities that I happen to have had as an individual person, you know, a person whose father, you know, was the first one in the Sheehan clan to even graduate from high school. right so i've been completely blessed uh and so i know that and so what i want to do is i want to be able to apply these types of skills to get access to the kind of information that our people need and try to figure out how it is that we package it and can deliver it to our people in a way that they can do something about it and that's why this ufo issue is so important It is so central. I mean, to actually have a national security state apparatus operating that thinks they have the authority to conceal, actively conceal through threats of physical violence, conceal the fact that there's a non-human extraterrestrial civilization completely surrounding our entire solar system in our galaxy, and they don't want you to know this. They want to keep this secret so that they can utilize that power to continue to dominate us all. You know, we can't stand for this. We can't stand for this. What we have to do is organize. We have to educate our people, organize our people, mobilize our people, and put people into positions of authority inside our constitutional structures here in the United States, in the UK, in all of the democratic countries around the world, to shut down the national security states, okay? Not only here, but in the Eastern Bloc countries of Russia and China, where they have responded to the aggressive imperial forces in our countries to try to establish domination over the planet. It's a very simple thing. I guess it's not that simple, but it is the issue here. It is the issue, Andy, that we're dealing with at the root of the UFO issue. A lot of what you said reminds me of a really famous cartoon, and it's the slave driver standing on the plank of wood off the cliff. And the only thing keeping him from falling to his death is the hundreds of slaves standing on the other end of the plank of wood. And they just don't have the power, the realization to know that you're... Step off. Yeah, step off, step to the side. And he goes, they go. And whether it's an individual, a group, a government, a corporation, a massive secret like the UFO or UAP. It's funny, you mentioned Dick Cheney. David Grush in his interview on Megyn Kelly a few weeks ago called out Dick Cheney, of course, many folks' nickname is Darth Vader, for Dick Cheney as the closest thing he could find to the top of the food chain controlling all of this. He talked about multiple factions in the deep state guilty of misinformation. He says there have been administrations putting pieces in place to help ease information coming out. talked about the grushed saying that former Secretary of Defense, he's former presidents have been briefed, but it depended on how much deep states trusted each individual president. It's so convoluted and so messy across all of this. Where is the jumping on point for most people? Again, it seems a million miles away now at this point from have we got an alien civilization visiting us from another planet? it's a question almost forgotten and even I almost did until you brought up the idea that we have an entire we have entire galactic civilizations around our solar system as you put it that is being kept from us as a society, as a civilization it's crazy yes, well it's not crazy there's a certain type of mental illness that isn't full scale crazy It isn't clinical crazy. What it is, is it's part of the nature of our human species, is that we succumb to these powerful individual people with charisma and who are smart and articulate and stuff like this. And people lay back and kind of let them assert their power. A subconscious want for that to be there. There's an element of society That wants to be controlled And you want the hierarchy You want the power systems in place Because there's a comfort within that There's a safety blanket Of I know I go to my job I get this much money I work these many hours Here's my free time I can pay for this I can't pay for that Now and again you get to break into the next level Of money, of wealth, of power, of status And you work your way up Sometimes you work your way back down And that's their world. And it's the public education system that trains people into becoming a cog in the wheels of that industrial state. And it's not necessary that we can take power. We still have the ability in these democratic societies to take control if, in fact, we will do our job as citizens. And the education system doesn't train the people to do that. They tell them about the Constitution of the United States. They tell them about free speech. They tell them about a freedom of association, a free press and all of that. But they don't really do it. You know, they don't think that's their part to actually participate in that. And it's not a surprise because the public education system is run by the state and the state runs is run by the elite. So you have to figure out. So people say, oh, Danny, you know, oh, this is so overwhelming. You know, how do I start? I'm telling you how you start. You start by getting disclosure about the UFO issue, because what that's going to do, the fact that they have concealed this for as long as they have. and it is of such monumental importance for us knowing where our place is in the universe. And it also has access to such incredible technologies that can solve many of our problems. We don't have to contaminate our planet with petroleum as fuel. There's alternative sources of energy. You know, there are alternative sources that we have access to the wealth of the universe. You know, there's all kinds of asteroids and asteroid belts that have resources and stuff that we can have. We don't have to authorize fighting over limited resources on our planet. We have access to resources in the entire galaxy. But they want to keep it secret because their entire economic system and their entire elite status of superiority over everybody else is rooted in maintaining the idea that there are limited resources, and they're scarce, and that we get more of them than you get. Okay? And so they view that, the revelation of the fact that this just isn't true, that we have access to all these different resources in the galaxy, we have access to all of these different technologies that can help solve a lot of our problems here, and make our planet a flourishing place for everybody. They don't want that. They don't want that. And they view it as catastrophic, quote, catastrophic disclosure. And they keep trying to pretend, oh, like we're going to go jumping out of a first-story window or something if all of a sudden we discover that there's an extraterrestrial civilization, that we're not at the apex of all biological evolution in the entire universe. They keep on trying to tell people, oh, the regular people are going to jump out of windows in despair, and that's catastrophic, as though they care about us at all, which they don't. But all of that having been said, I'm not proposing that we hunt these people down with pitchforks and torches in the street and then draw and quarter them or behead them like in the French Revolution. That's just chaos. All that does is generate another Napoleon to rise up to try to establish order or a Hitler. What we need to do is exercise our democratic authority as citizens, but we need to do so pursuant to educating ourselves and organizing ourselves. Part of my job as the general counsel and president of the New Paradigm Institute is to provide to people an alternative vision of what it looks like. People, human beings, will cling to a sinking ship rather than swim out into an unknown ocean, unless they can see another craft near enough by that they can swim to. They will cling and go down with the suction of the sinking ship. And so our job is to provide the other light in the distance, the other vessel to come on board, but the people have to be willing to swim. They have to be willing to step out and let go of the sinking ship, and they swim to the new light. That's the New Paradigm Institute. That's our job is to do that. But we have to organize and mobilize the structures to get our people working on this because our educational systems are still dominated and controlled by the ruling elite. And so they don't train you. They don't train you to be insurrectionists against this unjust structure. The Jesuits do. The Jesuits know that. The Jesuits were created in 1547 inside the Roman Catholic Church to try to reform the Catholic Church because it had become so corrupted and so degenerate. And that was their assignment. And the fact is that I was fortunate enough to get recruited. I was at Harvard Divinity School after finishing at the college and the law school. when I went out into the world and started discovering what the world was really like, you know, by doing the Pentagon Papers and getting to read all 47 volumes of the Pentagon Papers and discovering all the illegal drug smuggling, the assassination program, and the Phoenix program, et cetera. When I really realized how awful this was, and then was at F. Lee Bailey's office in the Watergate Hotel and came to discover what the secrets were behind the assassination of our president and that people knew what was really going on. When I started to discover all of that, I said, whoa, wait a second here. Things are completely different than I'd been taught. I was convinced that our government was a little bit out of tune. And I thought that by becoming a lawyer, I could help retune our government to get back into kind of a more fair system. But I discovered when I got out into the world from Harvard Law School, our government wasn't functioning just a little bit out of tune. It was playing an entirely different song than we had been trained in the public school system to believe they were engaged in. They weren't trying to bring democracy to the world. They weren't trying to bring and protect human rights around the world. They were attempting to establish full-spectrum military dominance over the planet so they could maintain their continued privileged access to the strategic raw materials for our corporations, which was the absolute definition of fascism. That is what Mussolini in his 1933 essay on fascism wrote about. Fascism is putting all of the instrumentalities of the government at the disposal of the interests of the privately owned corporations. That's what fascism is. And it entails authoritarianism in order to effectuate that objective, but that's what it is. And then I discovered that in fact, it was Brown Brothers Harriman, one of the major private investment groups run by George Herbert Walker, the grandfather of George Herbert Walker Bush, who was the CEO of Brown Brothers Harriman private investment company, which was the nest of all of these robber barons that arose in the late 1800s after the American Civil War, and that they were all these investment guys or altogether, they're the ones that secretly financed the rise of the fascist government in Germany. Brown Brothers Harriman, the CEO of Brown Brothers Harriman, George Herbert Walker, left the investment firm in 1924, turned over control to his son-in-law, Prescott Bush, and went and set up the Union Bank of New York. and they capitalized it with the money of the rich people that were investors in Braun Brothers Harriman, a collective investment group, right? And they created the Union Bank of New York. They set up a foreign subsidiary up in the Netherlands called the Bank of Shipping and Commerce that Fritz Thysen ran for them. They financed the construction of the international headquarters of the Third Reich to set up the fascist government in Germany to be the bulwark against Bolshevism in Europe. That's who did it. And so when I discovered that, I said, whoa, hold on here. Hold on here. This is so different than what I thought it was. I've got to go back. I've got to go back to the university and study about all this stuff. And so I ended up going back. I went and had a long discussion with John Rawls, the head of the Department of Philosophy at Harvard University. He recommended that I come back and do a PhD in comparative social ethics, comparative worldviews. And so that's what I did. And that's where I was when I got recruited to become general counsel at the Jesuit National Headquarters for the Jesuit Order in their social ministry office in Washington, D.C. And then I had access to all kinds of information that started giving you a much wider perspective on what was really happening in the world. And that's what I've been doing. I mean, my whole legal practice, if you can call it that, you know, has been representing individuals who are in a pivotal position to be able to start to deconstruct the structural sources of injustice on our planet, including the Catholic Church, by the way. And that's what Francis was trying to do, and that's what Leo is going to be doing. So we all have allies. We have allies here. So what I've got to do is get back over to the Vatican, talk with the people around Leo, and get him to come forward, starting to reveal a lot of the secrets that the Catholic Church knows about this. and participate in adjusting the economic and geopolitical and cultural and religious institutions on our planet to prepare for assimilating this information from the galactic civilization so we can become citizens of our galaxy and get out of the trap that is pushing us toward thermonuclear self-destruction. That's why the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists just one week ago moved the whole doomsday clock up to 85 seconds before midnight. Because today, the START treaty expires. I've just seen the news on that. Is this the first time since nuclear weapon proliferation began that there's now no limitation on how many nuclear weapons the U.S. and Russia can have? No limitations. And so you know exactly what the major corporations are going to do. They're going to lean into Donald Trump and say, look, we've got a multibillion dollar industry here building a massive new generation of thermonuclear weapons and their delivery systems, which they're getting from the UFO technology. That's the whole point of the UFO technology. They're trying to use the propulsion system and the energy source as a delivery platform for nuclear weapons. So they can not only establish and maintain full military spectrum dominance over the planet, but they can have the threat of first strike capability, that they can instantaneously transport a nuclear payload into the heart of Russia or China. so they can back them off, you know, and we cannot allow this to happen. I mean, this is almost a metaphysical moment, a metaphysical moment that our human family is at here, of having this opportunity to do something about this. You know, people, you know, if we survive, you know, another decade, people are going to look back at us that are all here now and say, What did you do? What did you do when you came to realize the scale of what the problem is here? What did you do? Did you cuddle down on your couch and eat potato chips and just watch the Super Bowl? You know? No. I'm going to be flying all weekend during the Super Bowl game to go and meet with people on an investigative level to find out more about what we can do here. And other people need to be willing to do things like that. I'm not saying that you have to spend 20 hours of your day you know, reading about all this stuff, all you have to do is contact the New Paradigm Institute. Contact newparadigminstitute.org and get all the information. We've got it packaged, laid out, differing levels of knowledge that you can have about all of this, differing degrees of commitment, and become a member of Citizens for Disclosure, you know, in your state and in your local congressional district. And we will move, those of us inside the United States will move and exercise our responsibility to help protect our planet to help protect our species you know to help stop us from self with thermonuclear weapons over this pretended fight over the rare and, you know, limited resources on our planet so that we can enrich our citizens, you know, our regular working class citizens so they live like kings and queens lived back in the Middle Ages. You know, I mean, with all the whining of people, you know, having to worry about the cost of eggs and, you know, I mean, people are going to their refrigerator and opening the thing and walking down the street to the supermarket and getting anything they want. You know, we've got, this is a metanoia moment, you know, where we have to have a metanoia experience of all of a sudden the scales falling from our eyes and saying, holy mackerel, look what's really going on here, but not saying, oh, I'm going to jump out of a first story window or I'm going to sit and wring my hands and worry about what I can do. I'm telling you what you can do. We're doing all of the work trying to set up a structure that you can insert yourself into and participate in this, not just in the United States, but in the UK and all your listening audience. Every single person who listens to this ought to go out and get five of their friends and bring them over to their house and replay this. They can put it on slow so they can understand what the details are. What is exactly he's saying here? Just take it slow, step by step by step. and contact newparadigminstitute.org on the internet and become a citizen for disclosure in your country, as well as those in the United States, and get your parliaments to do something about this. This has to happen now, and it's on a fairly short fuse here because we're at 85 seconds to midnight. If you add up all the total seconds in a 24-hour day and figure out what The percentage of that is 85 seconds. Basically a minute and a half. We are 99,9% on the peak of thermonuclear self-destruction. I understand that you want to listen to your podcast, so I will keep it short. Because if you think it's important to make a cost-effective choices, can ACR maybe help? Now I think, how then? Well, for example, when you're paying for the things you love to be, you're going to be a risk. Want to know more about the insurance where a risk risk is possible? Go to asr.nl slash duurzamekeuzes. This is for you and a more expensive relationship. Asr does it. So, now you can listen to your podcast. online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl That's shopify.nl It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. That's what we're being called. Let me sidebar slightly on that then, okay? And I'm not going to say this isn't the human race's fault to get where we are, but given the totality of what you have said that the masses, that the 99.9% of us are being held down manipulated by a tiny, not even 0.1%, not 0.001%, even more zeros than that. That's right. We've got this Galactic Federation. We have this, we have these any number of life forms around us that are aware of us, that are visiting, that we I say we, that governments and contractors have their craft, have the bodies of the pilots of these craft, have the knowledge of these beings that have likely, it seems, met these beings. Yes. Where is the responsibility of them to get involved? I look at it, and if you want to look at it, if I see my children playing with cutlery on the sitting room floor, fine. If I see them playing with forks and spoons, okay. If they start picking up knives, I have to work out, okay, are those knives sharp enough to do any damage? I then have a responsibility as a parent and someone who knows better. If my four-year-old Harry starts to stick a fork in the electrical socket, I should step in and stop him. I shouldn't go, well, he's got to learn the hard way. There comes a point. So at what point do these higher intelligences with better technologies that have seemingly, and you can correct me if I'm wrong here, allowed us to commandeer these technologies and work on them with the purpose of taking thermonuclear payloads to Russia, to China, to the U.S., as I'm sure the other superpowers are trying to do. What point did they step in and why haven't they done so yet? There you are. We're at the $64 question, right? Okay, what's the story here? Why are they not intervening in this? They are intervening. They're intervening in a soft way. You know, by their coming and visiting people. There are tens of thousands of people, I assume, over time, that have had direct face-to-face encounters. And the thing they keep saying telepathically is, get your people to stop the thermonuclear weapons. They say it over and over again. But, Danny, I'll argue for the real skeptics that are listening, okay? Because I do see both sides of that. And I get the frustration here as well for them, because a lot of folks and even the public would say, well, why not just come out and say no? And I'm thinking of that point at the end of The Matrix where Neo just puts his hand up to the bullets and goes no. And they stop and they drop and that's it. The agents no longer, these big and powerful agents no longer have the power over Neo. He realizes what he is, where he is, and he needed that moment. One of these species, rather than going out to the middle of North Carolina, to Texas, to Hoboken, New Jersey, and speaking to one terrified citizen in the middle of the night on board a craft and giving them a piece of information that most aren't going to believe. Give us a Phoenix Lights 2026. Fly something right over a major city now and give us a message to the masses of one city. That's still such a small percentage of the population. But do that rather than the odd person. Because even with this platform, if I leave this shed tonight, Danny, and there's a triangular UFO over my head, I can jump straight back in here and live stream and be like, folks, I saw a massive UFO tonight. I've had a message. Most folk won't believe me. I know it. Let me answer the question. Let me answer the question as to why I think they don't do that. And this is the exact question that I was asked sitting at a table with Lou Elizondo and the couple guys that were actually part of his staff in ATIP, right? We had just been over meeting with the Inspector General, the Defense Department, next to the Pentagon, and we went over to this little restaurant that they knew, the people that owned it, and it wasn't quite open for dinner yet. We were sitting there, and one of the guys on the staff, very frustrated, said, look, why is it these beings don't just come down and land in some public place and tell us, you know, and help get rid of the nuclear weapons and helps us. Why don't they just do that? And they turned to me and asked me what I thought as legal counsel at the Jesuit headquarters, which is how they kind of perceived me. And I said, look, let me tell you what I think the answer is. There is the story about a young boy who loved butterflies. And he had this big collection of different kinds of butterflies. He had this big mesh out in his backyard where the butterflies lived inside and flew all around. and he wanted to get a perfect example of a monarch butterfly. And he searched all around. He found a little cocoon of a monarch butterfly and he brought it home and he put it in a little box with cotton in it and put a little light on it to keep it warm and watched it every day. Watch this whole process go through. And there came a point in time when the butterfly inside the cocoon was trying to break out and he was struggling, struggling with his wings, trying to break out of the cocoon. And he got all out of the thing except for like one last little silken thread that was holding him. And he was struggling and struggling and struggling against this. And the little boy kept watching this. And he became so sad about and felt so sorry for the butterfly. He went and got a little pair of scissors. He clipped the last silken thread. And the butterfly came free. And it was an absolutely perfect specimen of a monarch butterfly, except that it could never fly. because as it turns out, the struggling against that last silken thread in the wings was exactly what was essential to build the muscle structure that the butterfly needed to fly, and he was never able to fly. So we are at that moment right now, we are struggling against the last silken threads that we have woven around ourselves as a human family, and we're struggling against that. And the challenge to us, the challenge to us is to not give into the temptation of asking them to come down and cut the last silken thread that we're struggling against. We have to struggle against the structures of injustice that we see in front of us and everybody has a sense of and figure out how to rise up ourselves and break out of this cocoon and break out of the cocoon the confinement of our own planet and see that we can fly into the stars with these other beings and become part of it. That's what's happening right now. That is the very struggle that we're all engaged in right now. And it's very uncomfortable, and it's stressful, just struggling, struggling, flapping, flapping against these threads that we've woven around ourselves. But the messages around everywhere, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists are telling us, Everybody's trying to tell us, okay, we have to do this. We have to struggle and break this last set of silken threads. And that's why I think they aren't intervening. And I think what they're doing, my own personal opinion of why they're coming and going here and why they've been doing this for this period of time, I believe that they are harvesting genetic material on our planet. Our planet Earth is one of the comparatively rare planets in the galaxy that actually gestates life. There are obviously others because they've gestated these other species. But it's comparatively rare. And our planet gestates life. And what they're doing is they're harvesting the genetic material, the flora and the fauna, and even human genetic material to be potentially seeding life elsewhere in the galaxy on planets that are able to sustain life, but aren't quite able to gestate life yet. Okay. And this is what Oscar told me, you know, Oscar, what was his name? Oscar, I'll think of his last name. But on his deathbed, the fellow who was Oscar, what the heck is his name? But he called me, he was on his deathbed. he was a clerk typist in the United States Army assigned to Project Blue Book, right? And he was assigned to the unit that was supposed to deal with the 700 cases that they just couldn't explain away at all. There were too many witnesses. There were too many photographs. And so he was assigned to this unit, and he was just the clerk typist. And investigators would come and would go from this unit, and he remained along with the commander. The commander had an assignment to go to S-4, to Area 51, and to go to S-4 and invited Oscar to come with him. And he went with him to Area 51. They took him to S-4, and they went down many floor levels, And he went in there, and they actually had more than one UFO there, which he saw. Okay. And he went into this room, and here was this big room, an artificial room built, and it had a two-way mirror, and there was an ET guy there. There was an ET standing in there, and they put this little jumpsuit on him, And he was Oscar's commander of the special unit of Project Blue Book. It was dealing with the 700 unacknowledged sightings. He went into the room to meet with this being. And it was having telepathic communications with him. Oscar was afraid of it. He thought that the being was demonic. He was a fundamentalist. He belonged to this thing called the Worldwide Church of Christ. That was his real heavy fundamentalist. He thought it was demonic. He didn't want to go in the room. So he stayed out there, and the guys that were there attending to this guy had this card catalog, these cards with notes on it from interviews that they conducted with the ET person. Volunteer. He was voluntarily talking, communicating with them, right? And one of the questions they asked him, they said, you know, who is it? Who are you? What are you doing here? He said, oh, I am, he told them telepathically, they took down the notes on the card, that I am part of this group that has been tasked to go around the galaxy monitoring life that has developed on these rare planets. And Earth is one of them. And so we've been monitoring these things and keeping a record of what's going on. And then they did a follow-up question. And they said, well, who assigned you to do this? You know, who's in charge here? And he said, oh, you people would consider it to be god but it's very very different than you think see that that's the kind of stuff that is so hard to comprehend that can go on and i believe that it does and yet on the other side of it you've got these elites and globalists who are keeping technology and information to themselves yeah which i think was it dylan borland whistleblower Dylan Borland who said that the beings themselves aren't the great secret being kept, it's the technology in which to your point, it's that military-industrial intelligence complex who want the ability to deliver payloads of nuclear weapons because if the US get that first and they can fly a tic-tac right over China and Beijing or right over Moscow within seconds it's half, we've won, they don't even have to do it, they just need the others to know we can do it, so stop what you're doing, which leads me to think they don't have quite the technology that we would think they do. Listen, Danny, you've been on with nearly 90 minutes here. We've dived all over. We'll wrap up there. I want to give you, I know you've mentioned the newparadigminstitute.org website. The links will be in the description. But do you want to give one final rallying call to what you want folks to do? Because just from my last point of view, it seems like we are in that moment. This year could be that moment. And I'm not doing the whole disclosure's coming. there's enough of that happens not on the horizon but it just seems that our choices people can make I know there are things happening in the background as there always is but remember folks when we see a lot of these whistleblowers come forward what we're hearing especially on the George Knapp and Jerry McCorbell platform weaponized we hear Dylan Borland we hear Matthew Brown we hear David Drush talk about how the first time you hear from them is the third or fourth year of their journey trying to come forward so when you think about right now the people going through those processes, trying to come forward, trying to do their work, doing things in the background right now, that stuff is happening and people can help them get that information out there through organizations like New Paradigm Institute, the collective goods. Do you want to do that last pitch then, Danny, in your own unique way? Sure. No, no. What I'm saying is that all the people need to do who are kind of befuddled by what's all going on right now and why it isn't happening faster, you know, what you need to do is contact on the internet, newparadigminstitute.org. And you become, you can become a member of New Paradigm Institute. And you can get regular weekly bulletins that are coming through to you. It's all free. It's no charge on this. If you want to become a member and sign up for like $5 a year or something like that, you know, to help defray some of the costs of the things that we're doing. But, you know, that you can get free services and get all of this information, okay? And you can become a member of Citizens for Disclosure in your own country, in your own state, in your own congressional district here stateside, in your own country around the world. And you can move to start getting people into positions of power in the parliaments and in your legislatures who can demand that whatever the governments in your country know about, that they release this, okay? And that we do this here in the United States where they have most of this information. That's what you need to do. I don't want people to be blown out. I don't want people to think that it's like a drink out of a fire hose, just hosing you down with all of this information. Just take it slow. Record this information I've given to you. Slow it down. Take it step by step. And just listen to it a couple times. And you'll start to remember it. And we just need to do our job. Contact new paradigm institute dot org, become a member of Citizens for Disclosure. And if you choose to become a member of the Institute. Okay. And we'll keep you posted and we'll we'll come back consistently to to the show here. Okay. And in an update people on what what we know. All right. So that that's what that's what I'm asking you to do. Awesome. And Danny, I've been asking some of the bigger guests like yourself over the last few weeks. Many folks don't like giving predictions or if you want to call them spoilers, but what are a couple of things you would expect to see in the UFO topic in 2026? Not the new paradigm Institute's work, but in terms of what potentially could be coming in the pipeline. The key is going to be the bill that Eric Burleson, the congressman from Missouri, Republican, very conservative Republican from Missouri, who has the portfolio inside the House Oversight Committee on the UFO issue. He is going to be introducing a bill, a standalone bill onto the floor of the House to demand immediate disclosure of this information to a panel, a board of review to be appointed by the Congress to disclose as much information as the Congress is willing to do. And the Congress is much more subject to the pressure from the people to increase the release of information. Okay, this is what's getting ready. The Burleson bill is going to be the key. And he's going to be introducing this here in the second session of this 119th Congress. So it's going to be in 2026. He's going to be introducing this. become familiar with the details of the bill as soon as it's introduced. I happen to have a copy of it because we're involved in helping drafting it so that they know that it does the job. It's not designed to be immediately passed by every single member of the Senate and House who are in the pocket of the aerospace industry, but it is what is necessary to get this done. and we will accelerate the passage of this act as rapidly as we can, but we have it to work with. We have the act. We know what the protections are for the whistleblowers. We know what the panel is that's set up to review this. We command them to turn it over. All the structure is there, okay? So keep your eye on the Burleson bill and contact Congressman Eric Burleson in the Congress of the United States, wherever you're from. Tell him that you support his introducing this independent standalone bill to generate transparency analogous to the bill on Epstein. Excellent. Danny, as always, thank you so much for your time. We have covered the deep state. We have covered 9-11, Epstein files, JFK, Galactic Federation that's around us, alien beings speaking to people after deathbed confessions. We have covered a lot in 90 minutes. So as always, thank you so much for your time, mate, and I look forward to speaking to you again very soon. Terrific, Andy. Anytime. Anytime. You call me. I'll be here. Okay. Thank you so much. That's all for this episode of That UFO Podcast. Thank you so much for listening and watching. If you enjoyed the show, please follow, subscribe, and leave a rating or review. 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