Seahawks–Patriots Super Bowl, Brady–Maye Comps & Darnold’s Redemption w/ Fred Warner

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I'm going to start with that shootout and see out of last night. So going into the game, if you were worried about Sam Darrell in a big spot, I think that's completely fair. There's a very predictable cycle that will happen with quarterbacks, players, you just don't feel like there's a lot of evidence that this guy's going to respond in a huge spot. Now with Darrell to be fair, there weren't a great amount of opportunities for huge spots. It's the Detroit Minnesota finale last season and then they got to go on the road against the Rams and the playoffs and Darrell's offense has scored nine points in each of those games. Like I said, there's something that'll happen with a player where everybody kind of agrees like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, everybody's kind of thinking to the back of their head too. Like, you know, the jets, the panthers, the Niners, the Vikings even decided just, hey, we took Jay-Jama Carthie, so we're good with you. I think all that stuff lingering in the back of your head is a totally fair thing to happen. But then a very predictable shift will happen is that this attachment will be on a player at a big spot where there seems to be like pre-determined out. And then a bunch of people decide like, I don't know why people say this about this player. Well, you can say it today because he was awesome last night. But I think those things were entirely fair. On third downs for his team in those games against Detroit and the Rams, you went three to 13 on third downs. The Grand of the They're Not All On Him because there's some rushing attempts in there as well. Six to 17 on third downs. But that usually kind of tells you a story about a team's offense. And the Seahawks were seven to 13 on third downs against the Rams last night. Darrell Lombon throws on third down with six to nine with 102 yards in the touchdown. And there was a moment in the game where they come out of the half. Seattle's up 17-13. Seahawks have the first possession to start the second half. There's a third and 12 and I'm waiting for it. Like I'll admit, I'm waiting for is this going to start looking like these regular season matchups where Chris Shule of the DC like that six interceptions out of the sky, right? And there was a third and 12 and they heated him up a little bit of pressure. They sent five. Maybe the smart thing is that Darrell took the sack, but it looked like at least on that snap. I saw something where I'm like, okay, am I going to start seeing more of this stuff? Are they going to adjust something here where now it's a struggle for Darrell's here in the second half? Well, we never really got to that because as you all know, they punted it. Xavier Smith fumbles his second fumble the night. The only lost one. He got replaced by Kyron Williams on the putt returns later on. They fumble that one play later. It's a touchdown and it's a 24-13. It's a nice 11 point buffer for this kind of defense at home, even if they did give up 14 more points later on. But that was kind of the story last night that Darrell was everything you needed him to be and bucked a trend of these these pretty poor performances against the Rams, especially like Granite, they scored 38 points in that overtime win, which is still one of the more ridiculous games of the entire season. But that was really what I was looking for and I thought he was just terrific throughout it, the entire night. And you know what's crazy too is that 24-13 lead, I just have to get it in here. That four play 75-year touchdown drive by Stafford and the throws that he made to make it 24-20. That is one of the all-time responses. That's why he could be MVP. That's why Mel Kuiper, when he saw Stafford in high school, predicted that he'd be the number one overall pick after he got done with college. And in that moment, I'm going, maybe they are going to give up enough points for the Rams to come back and be able to win this one. But it was just a game where the teams defensively, it didn't really matter. The quarterbacks were really cooking except for the Rams, once again, not being able to figure out as a team on third downs. They were one of eight Stafford on throws on third down, 0-6. Now I'll give Stafford this. There's plenty of quarterbacks with third and they were third in really long a lot last night. And they were great on second downs. But Stafford at least will throw to try to get you the first down. There's plenty of quarterbacks that could end up having some like, hey, I was four or six on third down throws. It's like, yeah, every throw was like five yards short of the first down marker. So congrats on your completion percentage. So Darnell wins the big game. And I don't know how much of that will be part of the preview for the Super Bowl matchup against the Pats because generally, your quarterbacks going to have to have one of these big games for you to get in the Super Bowl unless you are the Patriots. All right, let's start here. Drake May is not a game manager. He was number one in yards per attempt on the season, combining that with the best completion percentage of any quarterback. You can have a great completion percentage and not be a great quarterback anymore. It used to be a thing, used to be a super important stat to me. It is no longer an important stat to me, especially in college, but that's a different conversation. But if you combine what May was on deep balls, where basically every yard stat, air stat, where it's like, how far are you actually throwing the ball to the sticks in the air? He's like number one or number two. I think he had the best QBR on deep balls. And on top of that, he's got the best completion percentage. That is not a game manager. That is a guy that can win you games with big time throws all on his own and can win a bunch of different games. I'll remind our younger listeners because this is the second year thing with May. There'll be a lot of parallels with Brady because of the second year with Brady being on the team, being given the starting job over bloodso, and then then winning a Super Bowl, dramatic fashion against a Rams team. Nobody thought was going to lose that game. But, and by the way, Brady never want to play off game at Denver. So May has that. But there's going to be a lot of that stuff, right? I was looking up some Brady numbers earlier this year. It was something I was tracking. I was looking at it again this morning. I just want to shout out Prof. Paul Reference for continuing my entertainment with nicknames, associated players that I've never, ever heard before. I think I'm pretty educated on Brady, watched a few of the games. They have one of his nicknames as the Pharaoh. I didn't know that. So I don't know maybe if you run into him, you can say, Hey, Pharaoh, what's going on? He'll probably be just as confused as everybody else. So I want to get to a bit of the game management part because again, there's going to be a lot of May Brady stuff that's going to happen these next two weeks. Brady threw one touchdown, one passing touchdown in three playoff games in that first Super Bowl run. Where they beat the Raiders in the credible tuck game, just awesome game. If you were a pass fan that night, probably not so much on the Raiders side. The AFC championship game and then the Super Bowl. He threw one touchdown pass that entire time. Brady was a game manager. He completed in the AFC championship and the Super Bowl. He completed a total of 28 passes. So if you look at May's playoff run, which I think most reasonable people today are factoring in the elements, not just what happened in Denver yesterday, but that game against Houston. But next week, people are going to forget. People are going to start looking at the game log and going, well, you know, look what's happened with this guy. Look what's happened in May in the playoffs versus who he was in the regular season. And maybe he's the MVP, right? 56 completion percentage. Five turnovers. None yesterday. He's taken 15 sacks in the Pats Offences average. 18 points per game. Now you can say, hey, look, charge his defense. Rasool, you love that Houston defense. I might get a poster of that 25 defense just so I never forget it. And then Denver's defense, like, those are really good defenses that he wouldn't get. So, you know, why would you rule them out against Seattle? And I'm not necessarily doing that right now, right? But it just doesn't matter. He was too good in the regular season and too dominant in the special stuff for me to look at these three games and now think that there's some shift of, like, who he is now. So if you could look at those numbers and say, well, he really managed the game because I don't think he managed the game against Houston at all. He ran it really well against the Chargers. He manages against Denver. Yeah, maybe. But I'm just not, I'm not going to get there and I'm afraid. I guess I'm not afraid, but I'm just warning everybody that I think that's going to be part of the talking point of who is regular season Drake May and who is playoff Drake May. And I really don't think I'm just not worried about it at all. I don't think that there is some difference despite the numbers and production telling you two entirely different stories. Lingering thought in the back of my head watching that game. I think Denver probably wins it with Bonaix. I think it's running a couple more throws. But to be fair, the Patriots probably are a lot more aggressive even with those conditions. If they feel like it's an offense that's threatening them at all. The beginning of the game, Stidem hits on that big shot of classic Sean Peyton thing in the red zone. He's given Stidem a rollout. It's the Sutton throw. It's kind of like a one throw. I'm giving you one thing to look at here because I don't want you having to go through all these progressions and then maybe costing us three points with some kind of turnover and you being rattled. It was a nice little start. The broadcast loved him. But in reality, Stidem was in a really tough spot on top of the conditions, everything else. But even when the game was a little clean once the Pats kind of settled down, didn't think they were worried about necessarily the receivers beating their coverage man. It was Stidem having to beat the man coverage with his throws. I'll tell you, I'm glad I brought it up with Chase Daniels is that Stidem's a guy that can get moved off his spot pretty quickly. Then the disastrous decision to try to get rid of the ball, avoid the sack, which ends up being a fumble, which should have been a touchdown on the field. But the Pats made up for it a little bit later on. The next thing, if you're a Denver fan today, you're telling yourself absolutely. I probably agree with you. But to be fair, the Patriots are probably asking a little bit more out of their offense where that game must be so much fun because you're just going, Stidem is not going to do anything against us right now with this snow storm on top of us. Third and five, one, 57 left to go. Patriots have the ball. I'm at home going. You've got to keep the ball in May's hands. You're probably not going to want to throw this because of clock and conditions and everything else. But if you can get kind of like that touchdown pass from Stidem, if you can get a roll out where it's an option where you think you have one-on-one coverage to one side and then May still has the football. So he can decide to just tuck it and run. All you need is the five yards. It's tougher defenders to stay as quick as you are because they don't know where you're going. You know where you're going when you're running on the snow. I can't believe Denver only had one defender on the back side of that. Play action. They roll everything to the right. May's coming around the left. It was one of the most predictable plays ever and they had a linebacker lined up by himself on that side from what I could see. And you're like, there's no way. There's no way he's there had to be a second guy there and they just didn't seem prepared for it. Everybody shifted. Great play call on the path side. I just felt like Denver had to be thinking about that as the number one thing New England wanted to do and it didn't look like they were ready. Final thought on all of this. The Patriots ahead of schedule. I cannot believe they're in the Super Bowl like so many other people. And I don't even know that it's like, Hey, I'm doubting these guys the entire time. I just can't believe where this team was at the end of the Belichick run. The Mayo disaster and bringing in a coach that I'm not even sure wanted to be a head coach. And then having to reset this entire thing. I've brought up the roster turnover of this. If you go to the 23 roster to where they started the beginning of this year, over 50% of that entire roster was turned over. If I looked at the 22 starters from last year, which I've done this exercise of the 22 starters, I think only four with the team think five or six of the players are out of the league. And why say five or six is like somebody may have been on a practice squad and injured and will play again next year. This group needed a massive, massive overall and between variable coming in with his vision, Elliott Wolf, who I know was there before as a consultant with Bill, but I don't know that it feels there. It's not like Elliott Wolf's going, I'm sorry, Bill, we're going to draft this guy in the third round. The Mayo year were, you know, to Robert Kraft's credit, he's like, we just kind of ate it. You know, I really was surprised. I mean, it was bad, but I was like, are they really going to fire Mayo? Who was this guy that they handpicked that they wanted to be this coach that they almost had a talk into taking the job? Are they really going to pull the plug on all this so soon? And they did. And here they are. They're in the Super Bowl. So maybe, you know, I'm guilty of as I start predicting how I want to go with this Super Bowl matchup. So I was running this exercise this morning. I was like, if you took the 30 best players from both of these rosters combined, how many players would be Seahawks? How many would be Pats? And I was like, 10 Patriots out of the 30, 12 Patriots out of 30. I checked with Daniel Jeremiah this morning, and he was like, I have 18 Seahawks, 12 Patriots. It's going to be tough for me to ignore that when I'm picking the Super Bowl. But I could be guilty, right? Because the storyline of this Patriots thing of two different things. One, you're going, are you kidding me? But the teams they had to play in the past. Look, I thought he used to was good. I thought they were going to beat him. I didn't know Stroud was a double agent, all right? So there's either that part of it where it will feel really dismissive of the Patriots or it'll be the culture, bunch of dogs, you know, the thing that everybody gets to say when they're not as talented, they win these games. But Breer on SI.com had this note this morning that I thought was really interesting. Apparently in the pregame, and I'm reading from his piece now, a Broncos front office official told the Patriots staffer how impressed he was with that defensive group asking who knew England even had on defense, walking, walking off the field at the end of the warmups, the staffer passed it along to a couple of defensive starters, and they heard it for sure. So I'm picking the Seahawks. It's not hard for me to pick the Seahawks in this matchup. I like May better than Donald. I am not thrown off for discouraged by the playoff performances because I think there's a lot of factors in there. But I could be just as guilty as this Broncos guy that's going to be going home. This episode is brought to you by Experian. Experian offers features like subscription cancellation. Where Experian scans the accounts you link, finds recurring charges and puts the power in your hands. 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Super Bowl matchup is set Seattle, New England as you know by now and joining us as he has throughout the football season. It is Fred Warner of the 49ers. How much did you hate watching that game? I didn't see it. I hated it. It was wanting to guys my eyes out and I'm just kidding. Look, it was rough. It was rough knowing that what it didn't matter which team was winning that game that one of them is going to be in Levi's stadium. One of those teams is going to be in our locker room for that game at Levi's with an opportunity to win a Super Bowl. So it was rough. It was. But you know, Kudos to both teams. They earned it. They both have had phenomenal seasons. I think all year long, you know, the narrative was at those are the top two teams in the NSE, right? And so it was almost as if we were watching the Super Bowl right there last night in the NSE championship because those are two juggernauts that have played really well this season. But ultimately Seattle just was too overpowering for the old Rams. What do you think of like Donald's game? And I'm sure you pay attention to the other stuff that's happening because it's within your division. But did you see something different from him and being able to step up against the Rams in a way that you know, he hasn't necessarily done in the other two games this season? Yeah, I mean, I don't think it could be spoken about enough. What Sam has been able to accomplish in these playoffs to kind of get that monkey off his back. That it's been there for over what the over his entire years career of like not being able to win in the big moments, right? I think that's been the thing that's been his knock since entering the league. But look, Sam has always been uber talented, ultra talented. The things that I saw him do when he was here with the 49ers that year with us, the throws he's able to make at different arm angles on the run, throwing back across his body like phenomenal. You see why he was drafted where he was drafted, right? You know, I think we can't speak enough about and I would love to ask Sam this question because there truly is a difference between a player who is confident versus a player who has a little bit of doubt in their game and what they're doing. And the difference right now that I'm seeing with Sam is there's just this poise. There's this almost a calmness about him where he like he just fully trusts his abilities. He truly trusts the team that he's on the team, the teammates around them to build his go out there and play ball and do what he's done his entire life, which is be a baller. You know, he he like I just said at the beginning, he cannot get enough credit because he had to make plays in that game to help his team win that game. It wasn't just another matter of like all Sam, it was a product of the run game, product of a great defense like, no, he threw that ball to to spots of the field where you know, to get it to JSN to get it to, you know, to different, different guys. He had caught on the punt. I've caught on. Cooper, Cooper, Cobb, Bobo, Bobo, Bobo on the, it was a corner post that they ran for a touchdown. I mean, he threw that ball last night, right? And I think it's phenomenal to see really. And like I said, I would love to talk to him and ask him what the difference has been, but you kind of see it in his interviews and everything that he's done all season long, just like super focused. Anytime anybody asks him like, Sam, like you're doing so amazing. Man, I'm just worried about, you know, just, you know, next next year, I'm just doing it for my guys and just like super poised. Like, I don't know. So that's just this is the difference I've noticed. Do you read maybe I don't know if there's a story, but something from back the time where he was taking reps against you guys in practice when he was with the team because, you know, granted physically anybody that watched him at SC, you go, okay, I remember like that Penn State game with him where you said, this is ridiculous. Like there was a thought, could this guy even be the number one overall pick and then maybe there was like a slight regression, but you have a little smile on your face. So it sounds like you have some. I mean, look, he runs that same system over the Seattle that we run, right? They have a Kubey act over there at zero C. So they kind of run similar things. One thing that are are scheme demands of the quarterback is the ability to roll out of the pocket on on bootlegs on bootlegs and be able to throw the ball on the run, right? And the hardest thing for a quarterback is when you bootleg out to your left, you're running to your left and you're right handed quarterback and you have to try to throw the ball while you're throwing left to right. You've seen Caleb Willings do it this year, you know, phenomenal athlete, make crazy throws going from his left, going with his right. Sam, I think I remember him making a throw like that going to his left where he just has his ability to just flick that thing and you see it, you've seen him do it all all year long with Seattle and you even saw him do it over in Minnesota last year. He just has this a bit to flick that thing exactly where he wants it to go, rolling to his left and few quarterbacks can make those type of throws and like I said, that's why he was drafted way. Was he a second overall third overall is here or are you? Yeah, I think he's third. He was third overall back in 20 team and it became out together and you know, you don't get drafted that high unless you can make those type of throws and so now he's able to really put it all together. That's the difference. You know, he very well could could be a super bowl champion. It is crazy to think that he is the first quarterback in our draft class to make it to a super bowl with it when you have guys like Lamar Jackson, like Josh Allen, like Baker Mayfield, like he's the one that that separated from the pack this season. You know, and so that's that's a kudos to him. You have to hit the cat. I want to just give a little love here to Ken Walker because he was a different running back in college and they changed his body type up and you know, he doesn't get brought up with you know, peak sake wand or you know, some of even your guy McCaffrey because McCaffrey is just incredibly versatile with everything that he does. But that run where it looks like he's got three different players on the Rams to deal with and then bust it outside like the run that he's on how important it is now with Charvier's injury. But is there something about him that is a little bit different when you're going up against him, you know, that maybe is lost on some of the other headline or running backs that we always seem to talk about all the time. Well, I mean, is there something that makes them different? Of course, like you watch him, this guy's an alien. He can do things with the ball in his hands and his body like you see it all the time like he's had he's had plays. I don't know what you're this is. I think it's his third year. He's had plays within this these these first three years in his career where you know, every every week you get up there as a player here in the team meeting room and your head coach says at the beginning of the week, all right, this is this is what it's going to take to win the game and he shows clips of the other team and we'll see how to week and he's like our defense. You got Kenneth Walker this week and he starts showing clips of Kenneth Walker and you'll see him take a take a hand off here on all the way to the left backtrack run all the way to the right. You go guy and it just zigzagging all the way and then just finds a way to the end zone just like these like insane runs. I remember last year when they're on the they're on the road and Detroit playing the Lions and there was a play where you like kind of either ran the ball to the flat or he caught a ball to the flat. A linebacker tries to wrap him up and he does like a summer salt over the linebacker sticks his feet. Summer salt back and then keeps running and I'm like, bro, nobody else can do that. I'm just telling you right now there's no for some reason he has this insane body control to be able to kind of move in such weird different ways you saw him make that move in the hole against number. I want to say it was 48 last night where you just kind of just whoo whoo juke them out you saw him get to the pylon. I like the I think they were like the two or three yard line and he just broke broke to the pylon out ran young to to the edge and so he has this insane change of direction and body control balance contact balance but his Achilles heel has always been like just get getting vertical like just finding the dirty yards like he always is looking for the home run and so I've you know this plays in that game last night I'm watching where you see there's a ton of space for him to just give vertical and go get you eight yards but then he tries to find the 80 yard or so he ends up only get one yard and it's like that's kind of the the thing that he has to try to continue to find in his game is like all right when do I look for the home run versus when do I look for just that grimey 456 yard game right so yeah dude I mean he's he's unreal unreal talent and yeah they obviously are leaning on him more he just has it had the touches like the the guys you mentioned before in the McCaffrey's and say one's also he hasn't had those touches to release come into his own and he has to earn that though you can't just say here and say oh he should have been the lead back with some tired time it's like no you got to earn that obviously Charbonne has shown that he can get those grand yards he'll put his head down and he'll run through you to get to get that five yards that was only blocked up for two so you know I'm sure it's been tough for them not to have Charbonne but okay Nani he running that bill when you look at a game like last night and the personnel on Seattle's defense because at one point they're up 11 I'm like how is Seattle going to blow an 11 point lead in the second half at home but then it's like okay then you see Stafford have that four-play drive which I mean he's just throwing darks that throw to Adams I mean the Parkinson throw is nice the throw to Adams is like the throw you you hope you have a guy like that ever like this is just nuts so like that series I pointed out in the open of just how special that series was you're like yeah maybe they will blow this lead because it's Stafford so it turns into this kind of shootout with a ton of great personnel on on two defenses that I think all of us collectively really like I mean how you can make an argument Seattle maybe not statistically with Houston or some of the other stuff but like at the end of the year I'll take that personnel over any other defense in the league what's it like when you know you're good on defense but it's just one of those nights where you know it's going to be a shootout yeah I mean they're I'm trying to think of when it felt this way yeah we had a really a really great defense back in 2019 that was the year that we ended up going to Super Bowl Miami and there was a game you know midway to later in the year where we're playing on the road in New Orleans and we're going up against Drew breeze this is the first time I'm ever playing Drew breeze in that offense right and long story short it ended up being a shootout like a 40 41 to 42 type of game right where we we won that game barely and we had what I think we had the top defense in the league and this team just dropped 40 on us and during that game you would like the entire time I'm thinking like all right they scored on us the first drive hey guys we just got to get in the flow of the game we'll stop them no problem they're scoring us the second drive are you started looking uh uh what what happened do we just bust something was there a bus and coverage like what was the issue there okay whatever like and then and then you start it just gradually gets more and more like the intensity grows in like the sense of urgency of like bro what are we doing wrong and you that's when you start seeing guys starting to like you know get on each other like you know do lock in no no no no no I thought I was locked in it's just that sometimes it's just not your day like and it's the offense is um it yeah I mean it's tough there's a sense of hopelessness sometimes when you're out there and you just can't figure out what because the group has to work as a collective and it's just sometimes it's just that one thing that was often one play where now all of a sudden it's like oh two other guys switch up what they're doing because one guy just wasn't doing his job right and it's just like everybody's got to do their job playing a play output um for the fans that's what of course the fans love to see is people putting points on the board but as a team you want your defense making sure that they're limiting the amount of points that you want to be a defense about or not often about as a defender yeah I don't think you're ever sitting there as you're unit like going hey it's just gonna be one of those nights like you're just constantly thinking like we are a great defense like this game but you know sometimes the game just get out of hand while I mean it happens it'll happen in some of the college games and I'll watch where I like all the personnel that's on both sides of the ball and you're just like okay it's what is this like first to 50 is gonna win the game no there's just gets turns it on free for all um I gotta talk about three equivalent a little bit here just because that was not a great set of that wasn't a great series for him he's got he's got the drop interception he it's fourth and what 12 they're punting he gets the taunting and that wasn't just taunting he was almost on the fucking Rams team bus then Stafford I've seen it discuss it like Stafford's like okay he's emotionally worked up like I'm gonna go at him he also had Nakuha one-on-one on that side so I think that's a throw that he's gonna make anyway sure that that will now be forgotten because had to lost that game and see how they're never gonna forget that oh my god and then I thought it was interesting too because like he got into it with Eman Worry and I'm thinking well of course everybody's pissed at him on the sideline but is that will and just feeling it going I don't need to hear I don't need to hear it from a rookie on top of everything else and the crazy like I don't get to see what willons doing he does this all the time he had done it earlier in the game I mean the ball could be overthrown by 10 yards and he's turned to the Ram sideline celebrating the incompletion doing all his stuff so this wasn't new but that was yeah I'm not even questioning the flag I'm just kind of curious as a defender and somebody you've you've seen a little bit what you thought of that whole run yeah no like and you know I say all this I know Rick like I've been or I was around him when was that early on in his career I think at the pro bowl or something I was around him good kid you know he sat up sit down in his career being over there like happened in bench and then you know now they're obviously started my time this year and relied on him a bunch and he's playing with a lot of confidence and of course he toes that line he toes that line of like you just mentioned like early in the game he's over there there I mean but they're whole defense of this entire they're a tire team does that where they kind of told the line of like of is it taunting is you know is a resident let it go especially in a big game you in a big game like that and it's a team to the game you have to do something just egregious for a rep to toe a flag because they the people don't want the rest to have the control of who wins and loses that game right so in the rest know that so they're they're gonna let the players play a little bit they're gonna let them you know chatter a little bit when it comes to you know talking mess but like you just mentioned like he just over did it and like and if that's a fireable offense if you if they would have lost that game after what he did I mean there's nothing left to do with that at that point right but like you just mentioned like it does it's gonna get swept under the rope now the stuff on the on the sideline the stuff on the sideline was completely fine there's nothing nothing like that's exactly how it should look after something like that happened you got guys holding each other accountable and that's a really tight knit group on that side where you you could just tell like they're they're defense or offense their entire team has a very is a very close snake group and when you have that you can now have the ability for guys to get on each other in moments where you know a guy is messing around too much right and I think for Seattle I mean you got to love to see it when the when the rookie is the one that's doing that uh with with uh with rig so um yeah man I mean that's as super unacceptable but he knows that and he he was a man he said he stood up there with the media after the game he could have easily walked out the locker room but like no I'm not gonna I'm not gonna talk about it but he stood up there in the locker room and talking about it after the game or something that's unacceptable can have it it's just sometimes it's a little too late to have that kind of conversation after the game like because imagine you're standing there front of your locker and your team just lost because of something like that right and so um you know they if they go on to win a Super Bowl then it will all be forgotten and nobody will ever know that that happened right so oh yeah I mean look it's already gonna be forgotten I mean they got to the Super Bowl I mean Seattle correct fans won't necessarily forget it but that would have been one of those like all time and Rams come back and win that game uh yeah and I was a rambore they didn't really have a chance before that you know I mean not that they didn't have a chance but like the fact that they had another chance now to go back on the field and then staffer drops that bond of puku on on woolen is like oh god leave what you can't make this up if you ever had a guy in the sideline step to you and you'd be like hey I can hear it from him I'm not gonna hear from you um there's anybody steps at me on the sideline no because I don't make I don't make decisions like that like all all my all my shit talking happens where they they don't catch me they don't catch me in the act you got it you got to make sure you play the game out there right like if you if you go and do that you got a you got to pull you got to you got to make sure you're trying to get them to draw the flag by what you're doing not the other way around if you're at because Kyle always says he's like I don't care if you touch but the moment that you get a flag for tonning see see at the door pal that was kind of the answer that I was expecting there before we move on with the show a quick word on the tool that keeps people's workflow tighter than my takes microsoft 365 co-pilot the world moves fast your workday even faster pitching products drafting reports analyzing data microsoft 365 co-pilot is your AI assistant for work built into word excel PowerPoint and other microsoft 365 apps you use helping you quickly write analyze create and summarize so you can cut through the clutter and clear a path to your best work learn more at microsoft.com slash m365 co-pilot on the a sc side of things we get some breaking news from coaching announcements that I want to ask you about quickly here too because you have a relationship with the coaches but I can't I can't believe this I cannot believe on that third and five one fifty seven left the may roll out runs it for the first time from what I saw it felt like there was one linebacker and not one of their best ones on that side and then in the snow having to try to cut that runoff where it just felt so predictable that it would be a rollout may has the past run option one read if it's not there in those conditions you're tucking it and running it we don't want to risk the football we don't want to stop the clock and fans Joseph has done such a great job so like I don't really even like doings but I guess it just was for me at home going it's probably a mail rollout it just didn't feel like they were prepared for it and everybody shifted to the fake side well you know it's so you don't you don't quite know exactly what the other team is going to do in those situations because and that's the game that's the game you have to play as a as a player that's the game you have to play as a coach because I've been in those critical situations in a game with with let's say D'Amico or Salah in a playoff game I remember we were playing against Dallas in the I want to say it was the divisional round in 2021 and it was a critical third and long situation and it was later in the game maybe it was like in the middle of the game and he says Fred if they cut he comes in my microphone he said Fred this is D'Amico he said Fred if they come out in triples where they have three water seevers to the field they have a tie to the backside they're running stickers where they're running all three of their receivers up to the up to the sticks and they're going to just sit down and they're going to look for the ball and so we're going to be in zone coverage and if they come out in triples I need you to match up that number three until till K1 Williams are nickel to match up that number two because if not there's going to be avoided there for them at throw that number two and so I go and I tell K1 on my A triple is they're running stickers they come out in this triples and I'm like there's no way this is about to be exactly what he said they run stickers K1 Williams he jumps to the sit down number two for interception and it's like all right that's kind of that's kind of in this insane scenario that's not like the end of game scenario but that's like a moment of like where you have complete trust in how prepared your DC is for a moment like that and the DCs are always trying to play this game of what exactly are the OCs think it and then that moment yesterday with with Denver it's like all right all game long people you can't get your footing right you can hardly throw the ball later this is all later in the game when the snow was falling like it was and so you're probably thinking like all right they're probably just going to try and play it safe to try to run the clog down as much as they can because if they don't have any timeouts if Denver doesn't have any timeouts and they just run the clog down uh to ultimately like I don't know either pun it with pun it where they can have like 20 seconds left is that really is that really in in Denver's favor to like get the ball back with 20 seconds out with the ball pun it all the way down there no and so but the Patriots obviously were aggressive in using that type of call it rollout but is it I'm trying to think of like is there is there a downside to running that rollout play and maybe the handoff get like the fake gets kind of messed up and Drake falls down Drake may falls down or something I don't know but were they prepared for that play and now it didn't look like it looked like the defensive end like I think you were talking about that guy on the edge who had to kind of meet Drake at the intersection point just couldn't really get his footing couldn't really run him down and Drake may be a good athlete like you can run so he's kind of a randomance game the stiff arm for the first down and ultimately a chance to go to Super Bowl so what do I say I have to say it's kind of a cat and mouse game like you're kind of trying to guess to see like all right are they going to run that are they not because if you go playing for the rollout and you're not committing everybody to the run frontside and they get the run frontside it's like well what were you doing why were you trying to play for the rollout when it was an obvious run situation with no time outs now I understand I just I felt like because it was long enough of a distance that they probably wanted it to look a little bit like something where hey what if a tight end shakes free and you know it's the same thing as the Sutton throw that Stidham had that's completely designed for Stidham to have one throwing option really because they're not going to ask for rollout and then stop and then that crowd at space is gold to go they're not going to ask him like look on the backside or something like that now it was a great play call I mean you got to you got to take those type of chances you want to go to Super Bowl for sure and I think it was it was great call there was no pass option on that play I don't think it was just literally just it we're gonna fake like we're handing the ball off the direct you keep it and get to the edge get us first down yeah no no I mean I'm talking about like as they're setting up for it like I was at home going is he going to have the run the throw option on that but then you're right I mean it was totally cleared out so maybe that was the whole numbers game of we don't have anything even on that side and that means that's a defender it just felt like it was going to be a really really tough spot to whoever was containing that edge in the snow to contain may running to the sideline for five yards what's definitely yeah have you have you played into game or the conditions dictated what the game was like that much as much as we saw in Denver yeah last year a buffed old bills late in the year so Sunday night football I think not a playoff game though right no no I mean playoffs I played in the super cold in green bay yet a green yeah that green big game but it wasn't it wasn't snowing like that it kind of got snowy later in the game but it wasn't snowing like how was yesterday that knowing time I played in snow snow snow like it was yesterday was that buffal build game last year and you yeah yeah that you hate it oh horrible horrible because you can't you literally can't get your traction in the ground because your cleats that's that snow since it's soft it just packs on the bottom of your cleats just it packs on in the bottom of it and starts to get hard to where you're you no longer have those uh what's it called the little talons on the bottom of your plea never had you don't you no longer have those kind of gripped the groundway it's just like you're on snow it's like you're you're out there just sliding around you're just skating around and so in between each snap you'll see guys kind of just hitting their cleats together on on the ground to try to knock some of that snow off to trying to gain some more traction and it's like you're not getting traction for anything for what to go put your your cleat right back into some more soft snow so it's horrible and it's wild to think that you know that that's the type of game that you got to play in order to go to a super bowl is a snowball you know I'm saying versus the game we watched last night where you got a team in Seattle beautiful weather nice turf you can throw the football all the way till the last play versus a snow game snow flurry game where it's like oh well we're doing we're going to turn passing off now that's that's done you can try to run the football if you want and you know defenders good luck trying to go change direction or chase after these guys if you looked at the talent then combined of these two rosters right because I was touching us a little bit and it's it's going to be a big part of the next two weeks is like if I'm looking at the town on Seattle I think Seattle has better talent right I don't think I even have to put a ton of thought into it but then it'll be the dismissive nature of like yo you don't understand the culture and brable and you know these just bunch of guys like milimboons after the fact of that game it's like hey nobody believed in this nobody thought we'd come in a Denver we're like once nix was hurt a lot of us a lot of us thought like your chances to be honest to anybody oh but look the entire season yeah you're right like I just didn't think they were in the class of the AC I'm shocked that they're in the Super Bowl if you looked at both rosters do you think it's overwhelming like if you look at the top 30 players combined if you did a draft of like all right let's go through the first 30 guys do you think it's decidedly in Seattle's advantage or you see the different way no yes Seattle is very very much so they have they yeah if you look at their rosters I think you're gonna you're gonna choose Seattle now with that said there's a reason why the Patriots have made it to this point and why they're in the Super Bowl when I'm answering you're gonna say that they're just submissites and they just they just wandered into into a Super Bowl at all like they got some they got lots of great pieces as well now if somebody were to sit here and tell me like oh it's the team that doesn't have as much talent but has the culture versus the team that has a lot of talent no that's not the case either because the culture that Seattle has built in just the short time that McDonald's been over there is legit like they got the culture and the talent which is why it's gonna be really hard um for the Patriots in my opinion because they like they they just got everything that you want over on this side but that's why you play the game though that's why you play the game you don't just get to go out there and be like okay this team has better roster they got better oh okay here you guys get the trophy weren't I gonna play the game you guys are just so much better than the other team no no no you had to go out there you got to play who's the best team for that 60 minutes out there on that field because at the end of the day back in 2019 2020 when we went out there to Miami I'm over here thinking we were the greatest things since sliced bread you looked at our roster we were freaking loaded over there at the 49er I would even have argued the same thing back in 23 when we lost it against Kansas City but they they were the better team on that on that Sunday so you know I think uh everybody's talking about how how well Brable has prepared his teams for these moments and how situational situationally aware he is in different parts of the game and that that does play a role um Brable obviously having been to Super Bowls went one them as as a player um you know knowing what that's like I don't I don't know has has McDonald been to a Super Bowl has he has he coach one has he played one I don't know I don't know what those answers are but like there are different things about that game that are different than just a regular regular season or play or playoff game that you have to that you got to uh if you got to think about and put into play when when talking about things like this I want to ask about Robert Salio your defense coordinator a couple different since goes off to head coach now he's going to be with Tennessee was it when when a guy comes back and you guys know that he's a really good coach and then you know maybe you guys make jets jokes I I don't know but when somebody goes through the head coaching experience it doesn't work and then you get reunited with them and then they get the chance again like how would you help us understand the timeline of your relationship with him and and how I don't know if he stayed exactly the same if he was different if it helped him know exactly what he was going to have but just kind of your relationship with Salah and now him getting another opportunity yeah no I mean it was it was super special to get him back even just for the year that we had a my member uh you know just getting that phone call this past offseason from him he was I think I was one of the first people he called when he accepted to come back to B.R.C. again over here um and it was just completely different this time around because back when he was with us when when he drafted me back in 2018 you know I I had done anything when this league I had learned anything you know I was trying to figure it all out was just a deer and and and headlights like it was it was completely different because I was still trying to figure everything out and only had him for what three seasons to start my career before he went off to the Jets and then now him coming back now this time was like obviously okay now I'm I know what I'm doing you know I've established myself and now it's more of a conversation every week of him him and I talking about like all right what do we what do we see and what are we thinking about the matchups what do we you know it was much more of a conversation rather than a coach just talking to a player right it was just more we had more of that relationship the summer round and so even though we only played what five and five and a half games together I mean it was it was special and it was it was dope to see how he evolved as a coach because when you go off and you have to be the head coach head coaches have to now manage everything not just from a a team standpoint but like from an organizational standpoint like this this is different things that you have to you have to manage um I can't even take him anything right now but like things that nothing to do with football head coach now has to worry about right and so it's almost like a breath of fresh air I'm sure I don't I didn't you know I don't want to speak for him but it's kind of a breath threat there just feel be able to focus on on the ball part of it you know as a defense coordinator and try to build up your defense to be the best they can be but I mean obviously you know the struggles that we dealt with this year with the injuries and trying to keep that group together um you know and I think it was just opportunity that he couldn't pass up with Tennessee where you know you got I think a lot of money going in that's it's not not being paid a lot of money you got I think they have a lot of cap space to work with um you know cam ward has a lot of promise I think he's a really good quarterback he'll be really good um put some people in his corner to help him help him progress as a young player but you know I'm happy for man I I think he deserves another opportunity he is a a true leader of men and really does things the right way so I think he'll he'll set them up for success for sure so it sounds like you are way more excited about him kind of seeing his evolution through your relationship like now that he's already got the head coaching experience behind him the way he was when he came back and now with Tennessee like that's just kind of what I'm picking up from you I mean I'm not asking you to get quick I'm sick that he's that he left us for sure because obviously I know we could have been this upcoming year if we had you know Robert Salas or DC and going into a second year with him again right but I just know how this business works I've been around it too long to to say here be loud what if right I play that game I know uh whoever we choose as our DC going forward would be a great fit great pig by Kyle and and we'll we'll go on and do our thing what do you think of McDaniel already back at it was the OC the chargers yeah I mean that's that's interesting I don't I don't know the whole I don't know the whole story about what his interview process looked like I don't know if you try to get back in the head coaching uh game interviews and what what not like that but I think it's another situation for him where he's like hey I get to go coach I get to go coach Justin Herbert um who's obviously one of the best quarterbacks in the league with a coach who's who's developed a great culture and standard over there with the chargers and harboh um why not you know I think that's a perfect trampoline again to try to go do it and try and go get another head coach and job somewhere else if he if he does it the right way you just say that about Herbert I smile a little because I I realized like there's some don't there's basically an argument that Herbert is like this loved media quarterback and that the results and that stuff um you really think he's that good of course yeah I mean I I don't know what what the um what the knock on him would be the fact that he that he can't win in the playoffs is that what it is I mean yeah at the at the end of the day winning in the playoffs is a is a teams is a team situation it's not necessarily just about the quarterback like yeah the quarterback's always going to take the brunt of that because they're always going to have the ball in their hands with opportunities to win a football game for their team and so just like they're get it don't get all the praise in the moments that they do win it they're also going to take a lot of the beating when they don't when they don't win those games but if you just look at an x is an old stamp an x is an old standpoint of watching the position and watching him play in the throws that he's able to make and having played against him myself and seeing it up close and personal like this dude is he's unreal like he he makes plays at a lot of quarterbacks and this league just can't make you know that some guys do things that other guys cannot do and he's like six six can run toughness like he has everything you want that's how I feel I just wanted to hear a guy that has to play like back percent he's got he's got a final thing here did you think you were going to play in that Seahawks game the Seahawks game that was a push that was a push that was one of those ones where I'm having conversations asking them like hey you know will you guys be able to entertain this and it was kind of shut down immediately because it was like you're just not you're not there yet you need that extra week I had to push just to open my practice window like the if you if you heard Kyle and that I think it was his press conference after we won and Philly they asked him are we gonna are you gonna open press practice window and he said no because that that it was true like they they hadn't talked about opening my practice window and so I had to go to them be like hey like I I would like to get back into practice so I can bridge that guy going in the next week if we win this game so it's not like I'm just jumping out there for the first time going to the NSE championship and like you know doing everything for the first time like let me get out there and so that's when they were like oh yeah cool like I'm we're down with that you do some individual drill get out there at the walk through stuff sure and so I think I made it interesting because when I did go out there and do the individual drills and all that like since I did look like myself and because I'm sure people are probably holding their breath like I don't know how he's in the low three months out of having his his foot facing the opposite direction like we don't know and then I went out there and actually looked him out like myself as I oh my god is he gonna play you know I'm saying so I even had players from Seattle come up to me after the game when we were out there saying probably thought you were gonna play this week like we didn't know that it was kind of the combo I'm like well yes we'll never know now but uh yeah it just was it was uh it was too tight it was too tight of a squeeze to try to make that game because we had to do everything obviously uh by the book and uh I guess technically not by the book because by the book means you would come back in like six months not three but um but yeah man it was uh it was still fun to chase it though like the fact that I was able to get back out there practice you know in January it was insane to to feel and think about and it was almost like I jumped in a a time machine and it was right back out there in October the week of the bucks game right it was like I just jumped right back out there but then I'm looking around everybody else kind of just like you know if it has has the wear and tear of the season on them and so it was good for me to kind of just be out there and kind of bring the juice a little bit I'll close with this it feels like in getting to hang out with you through out this and just talking ball but also about where you're at with your injury it's a good reminder I think for the next guy that's special you know that it's her and that you need something like that you need to kind of lie to yourself as part of the rehabilitation to have this goal that seems absurd um I I I feels like it's part of it and even if you know there's maybe that one sliver like this isn't happening Fred like this there's no way you're going to play and the recovery is much better if you convince yourself that it's still possible mm-hmm yeah you got to live in this in this line of business that we are in in order to be the best of what you do you have to live in a world of delusion and that's exactly what I've lived in my entire time being a 49er is you know I was a third-round draper got a BYU was you know comped as guys who've never made it in in the league like guys who maybe were one-offs who you know they just didn't make it and that's what everybody thought it was that it was going to happen to me even all the third-round draper think they're like no we don't really know where to put shit is that inside of the other and at some point I just made it up in my mind I'm like no I'm gonna I'm gonna be the best like I want to be the best I'm gonna do everything possible to achieve that and I don't know if if I'm supposed to be I don't know if that's what was planned for me or you know people have been talking to me it talked about me in that way but why not why not just put the work in and see what happens and that's the same thing that in a rehab is like yeah I mean you're you're not supposed to come back in three months but why not just put the work in and just be obsessed about it and see what happens and that's exactly what I did you know and so from the moment I had that surgery you know people had asked me if I wanted to do like a documentary type of thing where they kind of they videoed me doing everything and I'm just like it just sounded like so much work to have a camera walk like following you around doing everything so I decided not to but looking back I kind of wish that I did because the things that I had to do on a day-to-day basis in order to get just get back on a practice field a couple weeks ago it's kind of insane to look back on it now because now you know everything has slowed down a ton but it just shows when your mind when your mind says right you put the work in and just have an unwavering belief that you can do unimaginable things really well I've enjoyed this a ton I know you're gonna busy week even though you're not playing because there's a lot of stuff out there super bowl week but I think maybe we'll have one more of these but man this has been a blast and I'm psyched that you're getting healthy and you're back to it and I was thinking about you watching the C championship game last night being like I have to ask him how how much this sucks because knowing you I was hoping you I didn't know if you're gonna be like I actually didn't watch the game so I had to watch I had to watch it was crazy to wake up that morning and be and I said to my wife I said imagine how we won last week I'd be I'd be getting on a bus right now to go play in this game and depending on it would have been in LA have we beat Seattle I'm like I would have been going getting on a bus to go play in so if I right now and that was a crazy thought but hey there's always next year all right um thanks man yeah pretty say buddy getting the game with college branded Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% back at some of your favorite brands with Venmo stash rewards upgrade your super fan status with special edition school design so you can pay for your game day wings and rep your team at the same time you can add your 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advice light advice rr gmail dot com soruti and Kyle hang out on a Monday Kyle the floor is yours man i'm happy for you very excited sorry i did the muting again i was just thinking about trick me i got nothing i got i got nothing it was it was amazing it was really terrible all that the the snowstorm came out of nowhere i thought i did my math where it's like they're not going to get any of this meanwhile i'm watching from from piquancy and i'm we're just getting absolutely pummeled all day and then all the sudden it shows up and i'm like is this the same storm i don't know and then it's terrible and that it's just it's like a weird gamesmanship we're just punting to each other and hoping the patriots to get a first down so it was surreal it feels strange i felt a lot more excited when we're in the af going to the afc championship game for some reason i don't know maybe it's shock but listen it's incredible i don't even know what to say i forgot to even text half my past guys yesterday i was just you know overwhelmed and then we had to go out and shovel so in between the games so it was like it was a strange day but honestly it feels amazing um get some blankets back there today huh yeah this is my road setup yeah there's an away game okay oh you know somewhere else i'm i'm at my dad's house and there's a there's a uh what do they call it a travel band duchess county has uh instituted until five p.m. today starting at five a.m. yesterday told some of my buddies about it and they basically called me a p word but my parents were very like they were like you better pick a spot and stay there and then so i told yeah i told my buddies and they were just like that who who are you what's wrong with you i don't know my parents just like had me thinking one way and that's apparently the rest of the world is like fuck a travel band this is what you buy the four-hundred-four i can't believe that you got you stuck inside i do believe me i said it and they were like are you out of your mind so whatever i guess my parents love me law body yeah i'm sure your parents are definitely wrong yeah i could see that i mean we did get a ton of snow i was the same thing i shoved one before we started taping today uh we did bury the lead though happy for the paths happy for you Kyle but the aligns is the most i'm only did yesterday so i'm leaving the aligns out to this hotel pretty easily actually the only one that was close was the past one thank god Kyle took the all spread there you know yep yep small people are used to me being too hostile and maybe but maybe the hostility was the reason that we that we ended up you know we ended up hitting so hey we all we got we all we need it was great though because i mean that line started plus five and a half and then it just slowly slowly slowly worked its way down um right now it's minus Seattle's minus five i i thought i saw it four and a half last night i think it opened some green half did it i think so yeah which that seems wild to me but we'll see i mean i know how disappointed Kyle gets are you upset because i don't like the patriots more because i used to like them or no no i was just i looked to you for what you think about the NFL uh and you know i'm in the spot where i get to hear it you know first thing in the morning and it's never good and you actually did a really nice thing there so in the open this morning so this was probably my favorite one so far and everyone you have i guess like i'm picking Denver so it's just it's not you it's just this is this is my this is my life this is this is why did the Denver in this game you did but yeah the two experts you have this chase and Ted Bulls did yeah yeah i was gonna be how many people first like past though oh see i was getting i was like all right i'm in let's go out i was sick to my stomach yes yeah it was so happy let's see this so jett you know so freaking happy smiling it's like i just got a ram little bit yeah but yeah that's so were you pro snow or anti snow you had to be pro i was pro snow until i heard them talking about how this is going to suck for the patriots and i was like wait a second i forgot that they switched it's like once the what the fourth quarter starts and i was like this is gonna be tough for the patient like wait why and he's like oh you can't see they they can't see in front of them but then i'm like wait a second the pictures are wearing white your he's maybe that's an advantage on defense so i just decided to be like the game is the game don't don't blame the snow for anything yeah that block kick man yeah so glad it was blocked otherwise i would have just been hearing a bunch of bullshit but anyway yeah you don't need that so glad it was tipped let's get to see oh quick update yeah now quick update uh this because we're taping this right after you tap your open apparently that the Pharaoh nickname which is insane i've also never heard that how you google that no you do that just now well yeah Google the while he was taping it and he said apparently so this is again this from google uh it's a nickname that Brandon spikes gave to Tom Brady during their time as teammates uh he coined the term because Brady was a king like figure at the pinnacle of his profession um admiring his unmatched competitiveness edge and status as the goat quarterback so like Brandon spikes channel florida i love the backstory really nice job they want one time yeah okay um we get a we get a time for a few here let's see um um 25 5 11 25 years old player comp uh in those few years were tomas satiransky satiransky sorry it was a pretty good player for the bulls recently put up to 25 in the bench for the first time which felt pretty good yeah nice 25 let's go trying to pair that with a sub to our half marathon this year after splitting up with a serious girlfriend over two years and the second half of 25 her choice not mine oh well i think i'm ready to at least see what the dating world has in store i work for a large financial service company in a fairly large northeast metro area and here my best friend is a 50 year old woman gen names change has five kids all boys and is straight out of central casting for an Italian woman from new England gennismore will travel than me in terms of office friendship so i've gotten to know some of her work friends one of which is her best friend steve upon hearing that my ex girlfriend and i had broken up gen quickly began teasing a possible setup opportunities as she would have for me obviously in the immediate wake of the breakup i had no interest in this prospect and told her i'd let her know when the time comes now is the months of gone i took her up on the offer she tells me that her most idea candidate is ashley who happens to be steve's daughter steve is a very nice guy and his daughter is very cute based off the pictures but it can't help but hesitate to say yes to the ashley setup while steve and i don't actively work together i do rely on him for help with certain portion of my job relatively frequently dude this is i mean this is already this is money muddie's the word yeah i see him every day when he comes over to chat yeah i see him every day when he comes over to chat with gen this closcious connection to steve would make things in all likelihood somewhat tricky to navigate a few extra things to consider gen is very pretty in the office running joke is that steve has a crush on her oh the dynamics here this is led to jokes from friends that steve is pimping out his daughter to gen's friend general really likes me as a friend i don't think she's ever there's ever been a day where she hasn't given me a compliment i do not know whether steve is privy to this plan prior to the most recent relationship i've always done pretty well with girls not great but pretty well but getting back out there when you're out of practice is tough let me know any thoughts you may have would love to hear any insight from you three wise men gen's got to be involved right you got to if she's really she's you're more friends with gen than she is with steve right and there's a rumor that maybe steve's going a little above beyond because he has a crush so maybe you could just level with gen be like listen there is a part of me that is into this and there's a big part of me that's worried about this can you do a little recon in a smart way we don't give me away like as i mean there there will be some strange miss to this at all but you don't know like how strange so maybe you can you know have have gen do a little recon for you that's the only thing i can think of unless you just don't do any of this i what's the scouting report on steve too like is he you know is he like an ultra marathon guy as an athlete is he is he you're thinking about it anyway yeah like you know like is he just intimidating guy or is he just like a kind of a normal whatever office going guy and Jerry from parks and wreck right yeah like is he kind of fun dad like in a way you know i know he is a dad but is he have like that dad vibe because that could be much easier to get in um no pun intended buddy i actually to stop me just to uh yeah like i i think Kyle is kind of right like you really have to lean into the gen thing if she's cute the the only thing is like it's so weird to be like you know hey i'm i'm like kind of casually dating your daughter and then just shooting her an email or shooting shooting our guy steve an email just being like hey like you have that you know report for today like it's almost more awkward that you that you only have limited contact with him because every time you have the limited contact it's going to be incredibly awkward so um i don't know like i i i think i think jen's got to put in obviously a really good word for you but yeah she's cute enough and like you're down like i you know it's kind of weird i don't know if i would do it have you guys ever been set up by a co-worker because i actually have um no and uh it was fine it was like his it was the ESPN thing it was his uh it was his wife's niece so technically his niece but they were blood related and you know we had a couple days it was fine but but he like didn't really care so it wasn't like awkward at all he was like hey you working oh nice nice not as daughter yeah yeah so it was like for older people i always thought it's like people up some people love setting people up like love it yeah i always thought that was like 35 and up you would be like all right we need to little help or she needs a little help like like 20s no one's really like you don't have a boyfriend yet and if you're in your 20s right at least i don't think this day and age but i always thought that was something that like older people would like get together and try to figure this out but i don't know hmm maybe church groups are a little different i don't know it always seems like in tv shows and movies the church groups are just always like roof man guy showed up to donate some shoes toys like here's here's a wife uh i wouldn't do this i wouldn't do this like it sounds like you want to get back on the saddle which is something that we always emphasize you know if it wasn't on your terms was on your girlfriend's terms she dumps you your bummed out about it start out yourself did you mention it if he's in a drought because that could totally weren't pretty well not great but he's been out of it for a bit yeah it sounds like he's just out or be over the ass that's really can yeah that's what i'm wondering like are you are you in a bit of a cold streak and in the cold streak is simply because you convinced yourself to be in a cold streak um you put up to 25 yeah so you should be feeling great like it's right around the corner so if you had like you know a lot of lonely people we hear from them all the time it sucks right sucks to be lonely so if you felt like i don't really have a ton of options and i think i'd be a little bit more like hey but if you think once you kind of get back on the confidence saddle that there'll be some other opportunities for you out there and there will be because you're 25 man um you made it this far i mean that's what i always love about that line from swingers when mics all bummed out and Vince Vaughan's like you know he met her you're gonna meet somebody else he's like yeah we're in college so everybody's drunk all the time and it's like oh yeah maybe will never getting better i mean unfortunately i don't want to really do this but like for some of you guys out there post college it's just it's harder for you to operate outside of the day on dynamic that is college where it's just kind of like a layup and everybody's supposed to be with somebody and then you break up with somebody and then you're like oh wow like these guys make more money than me and they have blazers at happy hour and you know now i i'm gonna compete with these fucking guys like this this is like real and it's really hard it's like a wake up call to some guys and they'll never ever be the same so i'm not telling everybody to get married in college right now but um it looks like soror you want to jump in no i just can say like you know then you throw in like the gen z stats where it's like you know half of that of like gen z dudes like have never asked a girl on a date like some guys just don't even like i was like we're not a thing so if you're if if you're not in that category then good for you you're probably fine but if you're like one of those guys it's like i don't really put myself out there this is an opportunity maybe you know as awkward as it could be maybe it's yeah maybe it's worth it if you're especially you know some guys just like companionship you know like being lonely is a bummer and uh you know i don't i i we don't often disagree i feel like in the life advice thing but like i i just think it's worth getting less less the dad less the Steve guys just like kind of a psycho and really intimidating i think it's probably worth it you could be a little bit like lbj you know when he was a hot man early on he didn't introduce many bills because he didn't want anyone to know where he pinnows out yeah yeah right can't ever get big criticized for your policy if you don't have it nothing to beat me on so uh yeah i think we do disagree with a little bit like i think if you have this guy's clearly going to one at some point like once he gets out of this a little bit maybe focused on me right i'm just gonna focus on me right now for a little while it's like yeah let's smoke show i don't know where it likes you in two weeks um it sounds like if you feel like because again you will your 25 things are gonna be fine you're gonna meet somebody else at some point i don't love the day-to-day interaction with Steve because you're not thinking about hey sure it might be fine at the moment i love that sorrudies can totally worried about whether or not guys a bad ass or gerry parks and wreck it's like gerry parks right i'll go with his daughter and i wouldn't even call her back that's how i feel it like such a little response gerry yeah yeah yeah oh yeah i what if it doesn't go well what if it doesn't go well then you're dealing with Steve day-to-day you're gonna have to get a new job so i mean it's not a hundred percent daughter going to like give like play by play to the dad i mean i don't we don't even know or do the times what does not go on their own business like what if she just what if she just take two couple dates in she doesn't like you and it's over and like all right whatever yeah no that i don't think the guy's gonna be fine that's one scenario but there's also another scenario where you hang out a few times you don't like her and you cut it off and she's bummed out she's talking shit and you're dealing with Steve every day but if he cuts it off he's in a much better headspace than he is during this email so that's why i as the tiebreaker i say if you consider yourself if you can actually put the label of it that you're in a drought i say you try to pull this off if you're like you're wait for something else to come along i'd say i'd say with Ryan but it really depends on where where you actually are right now if you look in the mirror and be like this is the face of a guy who isn't a drought then i think you try to pull this off we good i'm good i think so yeah yeah payment from hot girl five nine one seventy five no performance stats my player comp is an aging john lucas third the third that is super specific uh quick email i'm a fan of the maimmy hericane's football team while a girl i work with is a fan of the rebels as she went to Ole Miss we bet fifty bucks on the college football semi-final she refused to over text to pay up on this bet i just saw her out of the bar shoulder refused and showed my cowardice by not bringing it up further context i do not want to engage in a romantic thing with this girl in any way but she's a good work friend to have socially and i push over for handling this how i have and what would you do differently um and thank you to Ryan for covering my bears run in the right way he did it the right way god i don't know why i think that's so funny because i don't know what that means i think it's why i think it's so funny i think it means you gave kale Williams a lot of slack and really talked up his positive parts in the fourth quarter is there yeah the that's probably what it is probably the interception breakdown which will be used against him in august yeah um and in the in the in the in the knowers out there will go yeah a lot of those are in fourth down though maybe that's what it meant um anyway all right so he's asking should he press this girl to give him his fit in the fifty bucks yeah he's like i'm a cow so he saw she refused to pay the bet he saw her out and he didn't bring it up and now he's bummed out about himself um yeah you don't have any reason not to want that money so i guess he's not getting that money he's not getting what are we doing now yeah that's not a real miss yeah i don't know he's like you know yeah that's you he's like she's paying you come on also like in a bar maybe in some sort of i mean you never think you're being aggressive when you're being loud in a bar but sometimes it might look that way you know next thing you got guys pointing at you like what's wrong with that guy it was over money that you probably weren't gonna get i could see that yeah yeah third great great way of describing third party this third party stranger you going up to her being like so what the fuck what's up bitch for your have my money yeah yeah what do we do you even if it starts your about probably has to be loud just to get through your point across sorry it's not gonna look like it's in the backseat that we're sleeping um yeah that's our bad well this is so you said she's a good friend have listened to the monologue so they fall back asleep you said she's a she's a good friend to have though so yeah there's one yeah what you do is you you kind of bring it up as a joke and then you know it's kind of out there lingering and you kind of use it as like a friendly thing if you ever need a favor from her or like she needs to put in a good work for somebody i think there's there's a way that you could play this off to like where she knows but she knows you're also about expecting the money but it's like a funny funnily little thing and it's like an io you for the future you never know yeah if you'd like to or would have easy would have been just like all right lunch Monday on you boom yeah yeah that would have been easy i got to say i've got a little bit of a bet thing right now going on early in the season i was very optimistic for the patriots and this guy was like the patriots we're gonna have a worse i told him about my bet that i made pre-preseason where it's like over and then make the playoffs are over and then when the when the east a of c es which was essentially making the playoffs and he bet me like 500 bucks and now he's getting divorced and he had to like get a new apartment it's very new and i've moved away and i'm interested in romantically at all right no no no but i just know that i think divorce could be pretty expensive and dudes can get pretty down and i'm he was really really dismissive of the patriots early on and i'm just wondering i heard there's another guy who who owes and money and he's like we're not getting that money for a while i just haven't asked yet i'm just wondering if it doesn't feel right to ask i mean it's i think it's a real bad he's caught a couple on the chin lately but i really do want to make him eat his words yeah he's like hey man this is my business yeah i'll probably wait a little bit longer but uh might be a nice consolation prize if the patriots get absolutely demolished the super ball i actually like you are going to like he's seems like to be on the west coast you're not going to see this guy really right no but i like to keep strong connections you know did a lot of you basically doing this via text they've said that about you yeah would be probably via text i doubt he would answer a facetime um i mean you guys don't even answer my face time so i i'm not sure how many of you sent us in the last year one one probably probably more than you'd like sounds like but i am not a face time guy i'll be honest yeah yeah i'm a phone call guy i like it especially what's something big happens like you know i'm probably calling you about that it's probably i don't want to like talk to you about you know my responsibilities day to day or something but you know whatever it's all right we're not we're not there and maybe we'll get that you can call me whenever you want i just i'm just not a face time guy i'm just not a face time guy well i try to face time you because i do call you to talk about work stuff but i feel like a face time you're like oh this is actually this is probably of a different nature probably something fun but it's not the way either of you look at it but that's okay to the email uh i buy that one i can't say right being a big face time guy either so oh i'm not afraid to face time every now and then oh okay yeah i basically only talk to soruti on the phone but we've never where we've never faced time if you face that you don't want that makes me feel a little bit better you don't want me calling you as much as i call soruti soruti is not as much certainly not as much yeah rassar leave me voicemail voice messages voice notes because he's trying to do a friday free through sunday thing with me with soruti with his family like once friday show is over it don't i don't want him to hear from me even if i had some pretty good intel on a yana's trade and i was like hey do you want to you know i'd want to hear this yeah right and so that's where the voice note comes in not that one not that i'm okay i'll have thoughts in my head about an idea or something like that i'll just be like hey boom boom boom don't call me back there you go uh all right look i think the emailer you're right it's fifty bucks it's a girl you know we maybe some hardos are going to email in and say like oh let's you know the bits of it or whatever like we all know what this is true that's why he feels this way yeah yeah but i here's what i would say you shouldn't feel back that you haven't asked for it and been more aggressive about it you know seriously uh it's just younger and i think there might be you know a little southern thing they're going on too as well no care to unpack that a little bit you're right what do you mean southern thing um i think there's like shovelries wrong word but i think there's an expected thing from the male female dynamic i think by the way it can be really great too so i'm not even necessarily being critical of it but i i think there's some in this situation it might be working against them well it's a great excuse to be like well as a southern girl like you shouldn't be out in second fucky pet fifty bucks and you lost and now all the same because you're from greater Atlanta you don't have to pay anybody um i don't know if i'm doing it i'm actually i think the people that understand what i'm saying and it's i think i know you're just around anything it's just that my experience has been like a girl from the south is is expecting expecting more things for i don't know that's not even that doesn't even sound right because it's like a playful thing it's like it's that bet is is not like a real bet like if that bet is made out like in New York city or boss and it's different than that that bet being able to pull you out the barbershopper like here's the other thing i would ask you would you feel good about confronting her about this like it's like i'm making you feel good because the two places right would be either work or a bar either one is got is not great for him for you know multiple reasons so yeah i think it's a joke i bet she never bets you again and if she does i mean thank god i was hoping you would say this because now i can get this out but like other than that i don't know it's kind of like this might be a terrible analogy but it's kind of like when you when you're playing pickup hoops with with like a girl and you're like how you know do i play hard do i like what's the etiquette of it and it's like when you're making like a bet like it's like is the bet serious is it not serious it's kind of not serious like and you don't really know like there's you don't know with the lines but she could be really good right and then you're like wait do i have to fight a defense against her like maybe she's like a savvy better who knows but i don't know when when when she lost like i don't think you just go hounding women for money that would be my opinion the other layer that sucks about this more is that this was his team it wasn't like you know she she was an old misfit and and he would and it was someone else you know like a different team and he was like you're crazy and they made like a bet based on the merits of sports it was both like based on the team that they loved so that's that sucks a little bit where it's just like he believed and it showed up and he doesn't get that little prize at the end but well he gets the he literally his team gets the win maybe it's maybe like completely wrong and then they lost so i have to raise because he's pumped out by the way if if the girl played d1 hoops and pick up you get her in the action pull her up in the screen put her in the mix her yeah let's go baseline other corner yeah all right let's get one more email in here should i start a fight with my in-laws 33 years old 180 centimeters 77 kilograms lean metric 45 kilogram incline dumbbells for eight reps sub three hour marathon all right wargon it's got nothing on me yeah this guy's a runner runner builds runner strength that's a that's a sick time right my wife when I recently welcome our son been going through the grind that is new parenting so we should be familiar I believe that he is our son is still waiting to get all of his immunizations we've been quite strict and clear about close friends and relative staying away if they have any sickness or symptoms everyone has been more than understanding my in-laws have made it a point to say that our baby's health is the most important thing and that they won't do anything to jeopardize his health or well-being or the past couple of months there've been little comments from my in-laws that rubbed both my wife and I the wrong way usually these comments are a reference to perceive limited interaction they've had with our son they seem regularly but a few holidays and sickness have spread out the time since they saw him last what they did last week really got to me my mother-in-law was proactive let us know that she's unwell would skip seeing our son that week we were pleased that they were being proactive as a kind gesture we decided to take him to a park near their house and stop by to show him from a distance all caps regrets the whole time they were just in our son directly saying things like sorry we can't see you but your mom won't let us closer do you remember us it's been a long time since we saw you I could see how that could wear on a person my wife and I were both pissed but chose not to escalate the situation and held our tongues my wife has really was really annoyed and made it feel like they were trying to make her appear to be the bad guy my question to the alliance this should I intervene and address my in-laws directly should I let them know our son is our top priority they shouldn't be acting like children understand what is truly important in the bigger picture any advice to be much appreciated I think these people come from the age of ginger ale and tussin and when you're talking about like you know social distancing it would have probably just been better off to just skip the whole thing because I think they just think that the way that people do things now is silly I understand that the pre-immunization's got you all funky funky feeling about stuff it sounds like maybe this is first child right where everyone's a little bit more over cautious with the first one and I think you mix that with like a cross-generational of like we don't believe in in this stuff I think it could be a annoying cocktail of things that's all I have yeah well I'm going into too much detail I it's really hard because Kyle kind of hit the nail in the head the parenting style of like our parents versus now is totally different they probably all think we're super soft and you know you know there's just a million different examples no let's go tell this kid to rub some dirt in it ever yeah they don't care they don't RSV like was that a thing when probably not you know but that's something you're worried about something your doctor probably telling you about with the kid like RSV is a problem you know like I've we had friends kids that had to go to the emergency room because they had RSV but like I don't know like it's how how often that happened I don't know but some parents just want to avoid that um I think it sounds like they were blaming your wife not you so I think they're daughter yeah they're daughter so you she got some buffer here because of that so that's like but I think it's I think it's fair play like you harder I think you could probably read your wife though and which she want you to say something and you don't have to be like an asshole about it you could just be like hey like we're just trying to do the best that we can I don't appreciate you she's already in a vulnerable spot you just had a kid you know the postpartum stuff is obviously very real it's very scary for a long time after a kid like you just don't know like you know every little thing you think am I ruining this kids life you've been know they may they may seem small and everyone else but they're not small to you I think that's fair to have that conversation with your in-laws and be like you're kind of put a lot of added pressure on her that she doesn't need right now it's not that we don't love you is not that we don't want to see you but like these this is the deal right now it will get better the kids gonna grow old we want to see you but like you need to stop putting this pressure on your daughter I'm saying this as your son-in-law someone who cares about both parties here like this is not something that we could that that's gonna be sustainable I think that's fair I think they you know if they're good people I think they would respect you for looking out for the interest of their daughter which you are in this situation so I think that's probably the best way to do it and and and again like there's there's always going to be like little disagreements about like whether or not you know someone's like with a level of sickness like we've had we went through this with with my parents like it's just different man like when you grow up in the 60s 70s and 80s like those kids are always outside you know they were just like hey come home at sunset just not that's not the way it is now um and so it's I don't know it's hard to blame the parents because that's the way that they grew up but I think it's fair to have a conversation when you're coming from it from a standpoint of loving their daughter and caring about their daughter yeah I broke my arm when I was six years old and like this jumpy castle thing like a bounty house and my grandmother was very upset because my mom's like we're going straight to the hospital and grandma is upset because she made sandwiches and we were gonna miss the sandwiches out like on the way back and that's just like this is like an old person thing just like well I made lunch and I was like his arm is snapped he's like he's like passing out in his car seat I'm a little worried and she's just like well what am I supposed to do with these sandwiches it's just like all right so it's a little bit different but I think you nail that's really where it's like would your wife rather complain in the car on the way home about her parents or would she rather you money this up a little bit where it's maybe more work for everyone so I think you just figure out where she is because she just might be someone who like acknowledges her parents are a little difficult at times would rather talk to you about it event then you like stepping in between them and making shit weird in the future or you could just be a dick next time they do it you know like yeah right he doesn't he doesn't remember you he's too done case closed yeah see that's not true though that's not true yeah limited interaction still close the same all right thanks to sturdy thanks to Kyle thanks to our guys Kevin and Tom and we will be back with a Wednesday show and then 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