Packers Offseason Chat w/ Justis Mosqueda!!!

20 minutes a day, 365 days a year. This is the Pack-A-Day podcast. What's going on Packers fans? Welcome into an all new episode of the Pack-A-Day podcast. I'm your host, Andy Herman. You can follow me on Twitter at AndyHermanNFL and the podcast at Pack-A-Day podcast. Appreciate you joining us today. You know the guests, Justice Mosqueda, J-U-M-O-S-Q on social media, and of course, AcmePackingCompany.com. Justice, how are you doing, my friend? I'm good. I bring you guys a gift. Oh, all right. Let's do it. Let's do it. Oh, there it is in all of its glory. It looks good. Is this all on the roadway? I think this is the first time or like second time I've worn it, but we got the mask back, folks. it's awesome we got it back well how we feeling about it we got patches all over it how you feeling about it i'm happy i got it back that was cool uh we don't have to go back to mexico to get another one also folks i don't know if you guys have checked the news it's not going great right now tech just got back from mexico like last week uh the you know he's I don't even know what his title is in APC. I mean, he ran APC before I ran APC. And then they wanted a full-timer, so they hired me. Yeah, things are going great in Mexico. Don't have to go back and get the mask. I got a mask. I'm very happy. Had to show it off for you guys. That's kind of it. I like this G. Yeah, it's clean. Yeah, it's pretty nice. It's really hard to hear from this, though. So I think I'm going to take it off. Yeah, go for it. Love it. Love it. shout out bears mysterio again for for being a cool dude i'm back that that's what fandom is supposed to be so again shout out to bears mysterio for that that's awesome cool on him yeah props all the around all the way around yeah shout out to bears mysterio for sending it back uh feel kind of bad that i said that if uh the packers would have won i would have uh put it on the wall like a pelt um definitely wouldn't have well honestly i used to work at upholstery so i probably could have done some of this stuff but it just never came to mind to me so it's very cool of him and uh yeah now i know we'll have to pay it forward if we lose a bet in the future or something but uh yeah good on him and i like i like the new look it's clean i like the g on the side like it all the way around all right i want to start with a an article today that you recently wrote it's something i've discussed a decent amount as well and it's about swinging big in free agency for the packers and so my i'm a huge believer in kind of staying out of the middle class of free agency. They either go big or go small, meaning take a flyer on some of the cheap guys. Maybe you find a Rick Wagner that works out really, really well. More often than not, it's going to be an Isaiah Simmons and McCall Hardman, Sammy Watkins, Devin Funchess, but that's okay. You don't lose a ton by taking a flyer on some of those. And every once in a while, you get a Rick Wagner, somebody that actually works very well. And on the flip side is you go big, you swing big, and you try to get big time players, Adrian Amos, Sedarius Smith, uh Xavier McKinney Josh Jacobs Jimmy Graham did not work Aaron Banks so far has not worked quite as well but I would probably put uh Nate Hobbs a little bit more in that middle tier of free agency I think Aaron Banks probably should have been more in the middle tier free agency yeah see like that that's the thing with that is like the the banks it's it's probably a middle tier player who got paid like a top tier guy right which is what you want to stay away from right and then Hobbs if you're looking at him as a cornerback right mid-tier he would have been a mid-tier guy They paid him and reset the slot market And the slot market used him as a data point You can look at the guys The guy that signed with the Bears and the Texans Immediately after the draft or right before the draft It would have been April It would have been after the free agency wave They used him as the data point As the bridge to get to I think it was like 13 and a third per year So Hobbs would have been top of the market At the slot position Now, obviously, that blew up because Kyle Hamilton got, what is it, 25.1 a year. Yeah. And he's an interesting situation, too, because he's like an all-pro guy. He's never leaving the field, even though he's primarily slot when they're in nickel. But, yeah. He's a special dude. We utilize Swiss Army Knife way too much. It's a, it's one of those overused terms, but he's legitimately like they, they've done it in the past where it's like, Oh, safety's not working. All right. Kyle Hamilton, go play safety. All right. We're struggling in the box. All right. Kyle Hamilton playing the box. Oh, we're struggling in the slot. All right. Kyle Hamilton, go play in the slot. Derwin James is probably maybe Woodson to an extent, Charles Woodson. There's, there's just not many guys that can kind of do that full array of, of skills. And he's, he's definitely one of them. Yeah. slots getting tougher and tougher because teams like, I mean, teams like the Packers, right. Do weird things with their slot receivers where you could motion down a Christian Watson into basically inline tight end position. And now that slot defender has to play Sam linebacker. But then if you're playing Justin Jefferson, he also has to play Justin Jefferson in the slot. Right. So there's just not that many guys in the world who are going to be able to play Sam linebacker and fit the run. and then also cover those guys in the slot. It's becoming more and more difficult. Defense is easy buttons, right? We've talked about this a lot. I actually ran the numbers on this. Press corners. Both of those guys pressed up. Playing man coverage outside of the red zone. Because in the red zone, you're going to get a whole lot more because there's just nothing else that you can do spacing-wise, right? Yep. The top team was like the Lions last year, and they did it like 80 times. So that's – like six times a game it's dead and then the next team was like the jets and then i think kansas city was the other one that was like over 50 right so you're talking about it's like four snaps the game that you're getting it so defense is easy buttons is all just hey don't target the corners funnel everything to the middle of the field right and that's where having a really good slot like kyle hamilton makes a real big difference it does he's he's a freak he's he's one of a kind and yeah, there's a reason they paid him that much money, but outside of like the, the freaky Kyle Hamilton types, to your point, uh, Nate Hobbs was in that high tier slot category. And you do it to your point as well. Just not, not just the, the run fits and then going against Justin Jefferson. And maybe you were alluding to this as well with the Watson, but you can get Christian Watson in the slot. You can get Justin Jefferson. You can get Christian McCaffrey. You can get all of the best tight ends. You can get, uh, you know, Trey McBride, like literally just you, every, every body type, every, you know, whether it's a five, eight scat back or a six, six wide receiver or the most physical tight end or the best route running tight end or the best route running wide receiver, or just literally anything you can imagine they're going in the slot and you better be able to match up with it. Good luck. Good fricking luck. You need a good football player there, right? Seriously. The problem is that guy also only plays part-time, right? I mean, it's like 60% of the snaps. Now it used to be more used to be like 80% of the snaps. Now it's, it's dropping down year over year, but it's a really important position. It's going to evolve or devolve. Like next year, it might be 80 again, or it can change. It can change week to week. It all depends on what the offense throws out there. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta love it. You, you need everything in the NFL and you can't have everything. Good. Good fricking luck. 48 guys on game day. Good luck. Uh, any other thoughts just on, on swinging big and free agency? and how kind of Green Bay goes about it? Yeah, so they have the second highest APY among guys who signed $2 million deals or more since 2020. So the only team that swings bigger than them historically has been the Rams. And they've also signed the fewest free agents over that period. They've only signed nine guys. So I have the chart up at APC where it kind of plots this data, but it's really inverted, right? There's teams that sign a lot of free agents To low salary contracts The Houston Texans are like the biggest example of this They had 33 guys according to over the caps data Who signed one year contracts worth at least 2 million dollars per year The next team is at 21 Right so they're doing 50% higher than everyone else in the league In terms of one year deals By the way that's how we got Nick Neiman Because they signed him to a one year deal and then they ended up waiving him at the cut down deadline yep they they paid him more than we paid him this year and then you have the other side which is the packers which is hey we're not swinging a lot but when we swing we swing big the only exception is the dallas cowboys who somehow are both not signing outside free agents and not paying them very much um i guess they're just paying their guys a ton of money other than micah parsons so the the dallas cowboys becoming a legitimate like draft and develop team sort of out of nowhere and not spending big money in free agency is one of the just one of those things I never would have seen coming specifically and Jerry Jones just so weird and yeah you never know what's going to happen with him and then you would think though you would think Justice Mosqueda if you were going to be a draft and develop team and not sign free agents elsewhere maybe you keep a Micah Parsons when you draft said player but they didn't do that either they're a weird freaking team I mean they do weird things that are involved in the trade market right they got pickens they got kenny clark they got quinn and williams uh they traded for the linebacker from cincinnati i'm spacing on his name yeah they just they just released him yep um so there's two two players they traded draft picks for and logan wilson and kenny clark well i guess they didn't trade a traffic for kenny did you see i think it was steven i think it was steven maybe it was jerry and was like yeah we're gonna need more bang from our buck basically from the quinn and williams and kenny clark deals and was basically talking like like they're gonna seem like he was talking restructure and i'm like first of all quinn is not touching that contract no at all like you can max convert that thing if you want to um kenny i don't like he's got no guarantees in that deal so like you're just gonna have to like rip it up and give them a new contract or you should just let him test the market because you're not keeping him at the 20 20 million or whatever his salary is this year they shouldn't dallas being dallas you never freaking know but yeah they shouldn't plus they just signed osa diggy zua to a huge contract like yeah uh so and they said well they said they're going to a three are they going to three four yes three four yep you're correct you're correct yep Oh, that should help a little bit. By the way, that's another quarters guy, right? He's coming from Philadelphia. That's another quarters guy who is going to be running a 3-4. I know we don't have the Gannon press conference lined up at all yet, but I'm still assuming that we're going to run a 3-4. We're going to run first up front, and we're going to play quarters on the back end. Our corners are going to have to run. The good news on that side of things, because that immediately gave me some concern because the Cowboys were worse than the Packers. The Cowboys do not have second or third round picks. So if you're worried that maybe them in a 3-4 cover four style defense are going to maybe poach a player that Green Bay would have liked a few picks before, maybe in round four, but they do not have second or third round picks. So good news there. Yeah, that should help us out a little bit. Yeah, no, for sure. Um, but yeah, I'm interested to see if green Bay follows that same overall strategy this off season, if they do sign a free agent and just kind of with that in mind, you also did a great article. Again, check this out over on acbpackingcompany.com. You looked at the top 100 free agents and you have your full board available, but you looked at it, uh, getting rid of the olds because green Bay doesn't like the olds. So I think you did 28 and under you, there's a chance you maybe even could have done 27 or under knowing green Bay, but I kind of wanted to go through this. and just sort of figure out where Green Bay might have interest. So let's eliminate anybody over the age of 28, like you did in the article, and then we'll kind of go position by position. We'll start a quarterback. Malik Willis is the only one. They're not going to re-sign him, so we're good there. If they're going to get a backup, it's probably going to be via trade, draft pick, or I guess maybe they go in old. But there's not a top 100 quarterback. Not that they would have been probably interested in a top 100 quarterback anyway, but none there. Running back's interesting only if they would somehow move on from Josh Jacobs, which I don't see happening. But in that case, you've got a ton. Breesall, Kenneth Walker, although Hall might get franchisor transition tagged. We'll see. Kenneth Walker, Etienne, Dowdle, Rashad White, Algier from Atlanta, Kenneth Gainwell, and J.K. Dobbins. Yeah, and Javante already re-signed with Dallas. That already happened. So I didn't include him in the rankings if you're wondering where he's at. I think Etienne is going to end up in Kansas City. Walker is going to get paid a ton. Brees is going to get paid a ton. If you're getting rid of Jacobs, you almost have to swing at a hole or a walker. I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, K-9 fits what they need in terms of running style and things like that. Seattle was a mashing team too. His issue is just he can't really pass protect or contribute. Well, Jacobs can't either, so we're fine there. Well, he can't pass protect or contribute in the receiving game very much. which, you know, I mean, Matt's worked around it before when he had Derrick Henry in Tennessee. So, I mean, it wouldn't be the biggest deal, but I don't think we're moving off of James. Although he did prioritize the smaller back, I can't remember his name now, in Tennessee, Deion Lewis? Deion Lewis, a little bit more than he probably should have that year, if I remember correctly. That was before him. Oh, was it before him? Yes, so before him, it was the Deion Lewis show because Derrick Henry wasn't a full-time starter until Matt got there. Got it. I think it's becoming a more interesting data point the further we go into this, right? where we look at Matt's career arc and we're like, oh, he was a McVay guy. And then we just like overlook the Tennessee year. And then he gets to Green Bay and it's like, oh, he has Aaron Jones. He's running outside zone. He's doing the McVay things. And then we just, we're going back to the Tennessee thing. Like we want to look like the Tennessee team. They drafted Agent Dillon for a reason. All these guys, yeah. He's what? He was damn near 250, right? Jacobs is 220. Lloyd is 220. Brooks is 220. You could look at the practice squad guys. the practice squad guys are big too um Emmanuel Wilson is 220 like I know people are like hey man what the Packers really need is like this change up back like this smaller guy who's like out of the backfield catching passes all this stuff I don't think we want to do that at all I don't think we have any ambition to Banks is on just signed a four-year deal Belton just signed a four-year deal I don't think we have any ambition to run the outside zone behind those two guards so no we'll see in 2030 but until then i think we're going to be an inside run team folks i think you're probably right uh receiver we can basically skip over again that's not going to be a priority but pickens pierce rashid shaheed romeo dobbs wandel robinson all young enough but again not in the market tight end i'd be pretty surprised kyle pitts isaiah likely chigakonkwo kate otten again not in the market and pitts is probably going to get franchise tagging correct Same thing with Pickens. Pierce might get franchise tagged, depending on what happens with Daniel Jones. That's going to be interesting. As we've talked about, that's one. And I think you wrote an article on that too. Green Bay should probably get the Watson deal done before Pierce signs and probably Pickens too. It's probably only going to get worse once those two sign. Yeah, for sure. But I'm sure Watson's agent's thinking the exact same thing and saying we have no interest in doing this until those two sign because things are only going to get better from there uh offensive tackle only two which is why rasheed walker is probably going to get paid a stupid amount of money uh rasheed walker braxton jones unless they re-sign walker which i'd be stunned by yeah braxton got benched right so like if you're looking young starter starting tackle in the nfl folks it's for sheet it's that's it that's the only guy on the market and that's why he's going to get paid a ton yep uh guard is interesting um they they have belt in at right guard i would personally like some competition but i don't think they're going to spend big money to do it and then of course unless you're moving on from aaron banks i can't imagine that you're going to add another one here but elijah vera tucker ed ingram dylan parham and zion johnson uh any interest in those names if green bay had interest so vera tucker the issue has never been about ability health right it always injuries with vera tucker um and that going to be the sticking point there uh if we move off of banks i think he probably makes the most sense out of this group um zion johnson and parham have kind of had up and down careers so far in the nfl i know zion was you know big draft pick and all that stuff ed ingram is a guy who had a breakout year in houston the packers actually brought him in on a pre-draft visit the packers bring in a lot of off-field and injury concern guys that they have no intention to draft to draft ingram had i believe two sexual assault allegations that ended up leading to him being suspended at lsu and then reinstating and stated later after the charges were dismissed not dropped um i don't i don't think the packers are going to be in that in your market yeah i don't think so either and this is why i have talked about if there is somebody on offense, because we've gone over all the other positions so far, the two remaining players are Tyler Linderbaum and Cade Mays. And I think Linderbaum is in all likelihood, although we do see Green Bay swing big, I think he's going to be out of their price range. Everyone seems to be in on him. And Cade Mays is the one that I have circled as the remaining names on this list that if you're looking for people who fit kind of what the Packers look for in free agency, if you told me there was an offensive player on this list that they signed, I would probably circle Cade Mays pretty aggressively. leave yeah just because every i mean folks i know people are just pointing at linder ballman being like oh that just solves a problem guess what there's 31 other teams that are also doing that including the um the center market is super weird i hadn't checked in on it until very recently uh i started looking at the numbers it's crazy but you can get a starting center like the the the not you can get a starting center in the past you've been able to get a starting center at like eight million dollars per year and we just came off this conversation where i was telling you average slot defenders are getting like 13 per and those are part-time guys centers are full-time starters um this market is gonna blow up i don't know if it happens this offseason it's definitely gonna blow up on the high end in terms of the non-pro bowl starters i don't know if it's gonna blow up this offseason because the other guys are like mcgovern and um posick the uh the browns guy they're both on the uh older end i think posick is like 31 mcgovern is like this is gonna be his 29 year i think yep um so he's like just a little too old which if you we want to make an exemption for this 28 year old rule i think the other one that i've discussed a decent amount because again if linderbaum's gone mazer or mcgovern make the most sense right and if you're not going that route you should just bring back sean ryan because the other stress point is not only is there not a lot of centers on the market there's not a lot of center prospects in this draft class um who are like ready ready to start in the nfl right now so i'm looking at the consensus board currently at 66 we have connor lou from auburn he has a torn acl uh 81 jake slaughter from florida 90 Keelan Rutledge from Georgia Tech who is a guard he's gonna have to convert to the center position at the next level um Sam Hetch from Kansas State who's a little undersized Logan Jones another guy who's a little bit undersized like sawed off guy at 106 Parker Brailsford who's like he might weigh in at like 280 um unless he's put on a ton of weight not their time season yeah from Alabama and then that's it in the top 150 you could probably throw in uh brian parker the kid from duke he's ranked 88th on the consensus board right now and then where is trey zune zune is 162 he was a tackle for a&m tiny arm same same issue as um parker those guys are both center only probably at the next level um so yeah i mean what are we dealing with a bunch of converts unless you think the Florida kid is going to be a first year starter day one, or you think lose ACL is going to be ready. And you're probably going to have to miss some camp. You still have to draft them too. Like they still have to be available for you to pick and like best player available and things like that, which is – So things are right for a jump in the center market this year because it's already – the position is lagged behind the other positions in terms of growth. You have a small amount of guys in free agency. and you have not a lot of day one options in the draft either. So I think teams are going to have to pay. Now with that being said, it doesn't seem like the NFL is, at least based off of the rankings that I've tabulated, I've moped to 22 boards for the consensus free agency rankings. Ryan is on the 200th free agent available bubble. I know. That seems crazy. Was it Bill Barnwell just wrote the article where he teared off like every offensive free agent, you know, by position and then also included potential cap casualties and stuff like that. One interesting thing, he had Ellen Jenkins and it was the third tier of centers, but there was no qualifiers in the second tier. Right. So it was like Linderbaum. And then after that, it was like McGovern and Ellen Jenkins post cap casualty, which I have no idea what Ellen Jenkins market is going to look like. we're going to move off of him. I'm not worried about that. Uh, he's got a fractured leg. So I, I don't know if teams are going to want to sign him before the leg thing is kind of figured out or what. Right. Um, also I would expect it to be at a guard and you just, I would expect some team to be like, put them back at guard and think that that's, what's going to fix them. Even though I don't think it will. Yeah. Again, I don't think so. I think he started falling off in 24, but yeah, yeah i mean he had he had ryan i think it's like a fifth tier center who would make between like one and a half and three million dollars per year which like if you're doing that yeah just yeah please just do that now yeah five is fine one year if you want to do one year five million i'm totally fine with that no my line is like eight if it's anything less than like eight i'm cool with bringing them back like especially if you can do it for a one year and you do if you want to nuked that thing for like a five-year void years and you know three million against the cap this year or something go for it that's fine yeah because then you have the availability and the draft to grab a guy like rutledge the georgia tech kid who is fits your scheme really well he's a big guy he's probably going to be i would i don't have the numbers in front of me but he's probably the biggest center um of the potential available centers and he's you know a road grader all georgia tech wanted to do was run the football and specifically behind him this past year um and he has the potential to play both guard and center. So you can kind of, you know, you, you give Sean Ryan that $5 million one year contract, or even if it's over two and you're, you're going to be able to, if you give him a two year contract, that second year is not guaranteed. Right. It's going to be functionally. It's going to be a team option. You're going to be in a spot where Rutledge could take over potentially either left guard or center and 27 as a starter. And that's a pretty good spot. So if you want to take him in the third, that makes a lot of sense too. We'll be right back. So I remember the very first time that drinking hit me differently. I was drinking responsibly the night before and we had young kids at the time and I woke up with my son crying in bed and just didn't feel right. It was a very harsh reminder that after the age of 30, even responsibly drinking alcohol will make you feel less than 100% the next day. 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Not mini camp, not OTAs, not training camp, not nothing. I'm giving you a swinging chance against the Monk. Hopefully they find a set. I mean, there's depth in this offensive line class. The problem is there's a lot of 2027 starters, probably, not 2026 guys, which is what the Packers need right now. Can you imagine if they moved Aaron Banks to center and he was a $22 million or whatever, $20 million per year center or whatever? Be the highest-paid center in football. Yeah, I mean, that's the craziest thing, right? I know people are like, well, the center market isn't that high. Linderbaum can't be getting that much money. Dude, it's not going to be about that. It's going to be Linderbaum being like, a slot defender just got 25, right? Dan Moore Jr. who led the NFL in sacks aloud at tackle last season got 20 and a half or whatever. Banks got his money, right? Like Linderbond, it's not going to be within the center market. It's going to be like the narrative that the agents are going to be spinning is the center market hasn't kept up with the growth at other positions and it's time to reset it. And I just think the other thing too is he's going to be one of the legitimately best players available in a weak free agent class and bunch of teams have a ton of money to spend. And so and everyone wants offensive linemen. I just think it I think his is going to skyrocket past any normal center expectations. him and walker are the only top 20 free agents on the consensus board he is ranked third only behind george pickens who's going to get tagged at minimum and then trey hendrickson who's coming off of injury and he's like 31 years old so he is the top young player in forgetting malik willis my friend he's 17th they got him behind the andrew jones a lot of people i'm just saying the nfl NFL came out with their list today and Malik Willis was number one on that list. Number one. Number one. That is an outlier. If you look at these boards, Daniel Jones is higher than Malik Willis on most people's. Who would you rather start your franchise around? Malik, because he doesn't have a busted leg. The Daniel Jones thing is so funny, dude. The apparatus that his Duke teammates made him when he messed up his knee and then he got hurt again like big uh my uncle made me a helmet energy like how did the nfl allow him to wear that on the field we're we're letting you wear equipment that your buddies have made this this is a slippery slope it is my yeah next is a cup my friends made me a new a new cup that i'm wearing at uh yeah during games again yeah my uncle made me a helmet like no no no no no no no no it's amazing uh yeah obviously did not work the only team that i would accept the answer of daniel jones for is the colts because it seemed to be working for them pre-injury in a pretty small sample size i could see them being like he's a higher advantageous bring back than bringing somebody new in every other team i would say start with malik yep 100 i mean we're getting all these connections with Malik and people being like, oh, Miami, Arizona, Miami, Arizona. We've heard none of this buzz about Jones anywhere else. I think everyone just assumes Jones is going back to Indy. Which I do as well. You never know. There's crazy things that happen. Maybe we get some buzz this week in the combine or something. New York Jet Daniel Jones is like monkey paw curling. We all know how this one ends. It'd be beautiful. Just get the keep dan get daniel jones back in new york that's that's what we need uh all right let's go on the defensive side of the ball no interior defenders which is noteworthy in and of itself for a team that could use an interior defender yeah there's a lot of nose tackles who are going to be available both in free agency in the draft uh in free agency uh they're all old if they are young they're uh mostly rotational guys they're guys that we've talked about right um like roy Lopez and Tonga from New England. Both of those guys have experience playing under Gannon. But yeah, there's not young defensive tackles hitting the market. Surprise, surprise if you've been keeping up with this market for the past two and a half years. People are overdrafting defensive tackles. No one's letting them hit free agency. If you want a one-year stopgap, those are the guys who are kind of moving around the league. edge has a bunch again i don't know what green bay's uh appetite is going to be for an edge behind lvn and micah parsons assuming they move off of rashaun gary and don't resign king's landing barry you've got jalen phillips adafe away boy mafe uh kayla kayla von chase on it's a very difficult pronunciation guide for the defense in this class quiddy pay arnold abaketti melcolm kuntz and joseph asahi uh that's your your list of defensive ends any any pique your interest if they wanted to go in this direction not in this tier but i do think that it is relevant in the context of kingsley and egbare right where there's a lot of guys who are like kingsley like abiketti osai are very similar to what kingsley brings to the table there's also guys who just missed this list so um like al-kadi muhammad uh kingsley is another one of them where they're like if you drop this list like another 25 guys there's even more edge defenders who are added there it's pretty good to if you want like an edge two or like a veteran depth guy find the edge market um even if those guys are young like those guys are available this offseason whether the packers go down that route i don't know because i think they want lvn and micah to be the starters moving forward and they just drafted two guys in the mid rounds too i would think that they would either resign enigbore to like a one-year deal where it's just basically like hey maybe you test the market when it's a better time to time the market in 2027 because there's also a bunch of edge rushers in this class which is probably why these edge twos are being allowed to to hit the open market right um or they go down like some weird route where like they like daunte fowler last year he's an older guy um they almost got that deal i mean there's a real world where like maybe they signed daunte fowler and they don't pull the trigger on the micah parsons trade as dumb as that sounds um i did a uh maybe they go that goal do you think they uh let's say they don't trade for micah they're let's say they they lose the cowboys game well hold on well let's say they lose the cowboys game they get to the trade deadline and they're the team that trades the third round pick for jalen phillips maybe yeah and he was interesting about it is well obviously you still have two first round picks and money to spend but uh what's interesting is obviously at the end of the year you don't have um micah because he tore his acl and in this scenario you not only have kenny clark but you also now have jalen phillips you're only out a third round pick it's just an interesting like what if scenario i don't think it would have happened but it's an interesting what if yeah and we get kenny too yeah so you get kenny back and you go so imagine end of the year you've got instead of having no uh you know micah anyway because he tore his acl you actually have kenny clark and jalen phillips in that scenario i wouldn't i wouldn't I wouldn't trade the scenarios. I would rather... I'm still sending the picks for Micah. A million percent Sorry I interrupted you though Any other thoughts on defensive end i there a lot of options i wouldn be surprised if we collect someone who didn get what market rate should be but beyond that and who that name is i i'm unable to tell you guys well the interesting thing is if enigbari is gone and if rashawn gary's gone like we expect then you have michael who's out for the first you know maybe three four or five games of the season whatever it ends up being and when he's back he's on a uh snap count in all likelihood he's i don't think he's just going to come in and play he's a freak so i'm not going to put anything past him but i mean how long did it take for christian to ramp up like it was like game two game three you might be right you might be right is there a difference between a 200 pound guy and a 260 pound guy though i don't know maybe there's not anymore um but either way i do think it's interesting of do you want a little bit of a higher tier player that can start opposite LVN to start the season and then have a legitimate good backup after LVN and Mike, but before Sorell and Colin Oliver. I can see it going either way. I genuinely could see it going either way. Cause I mean, yeah, I mean, maybe they're just like, dude, we need these young guys to get reps. We just drafted them in the third and fourth rounds, right? Yeah, that's true. Whatever it was. The classic, they got to get playing time in order to get better. sort of routine, I guess. That could be the case. I like both of them. So I wouldn't hate it. I think the crunch comes too, is like once you sign a veteran, right? If they're past their rookie deal, their salary is fully guaranteed starting week one. So if you're not planning on carrying those guys and making the room for five of those guys being on your 53-man roster and your 48-man game day roster, you're probably better off going the late route in the draft and then having that guy come up for a couple weeks and then maybe you can put them on the practice squad in like week five or whatever it is. Good point. It's a fair point. It'll be interesting. Quickly on off-ball, linebacker, Devin Lloyd, Devin Bush, Nekobe Dean, Quay Walker, Leo Chanel. If Walker's gone, it's an interesting situation. Could go with McDuffie and Hopper, obviously, but Chanel, Dean, Lloyd, fun options. Dude, linebacker is such a weird market, man. Because we spend all this time talking about like the different types of cornerbacks, right? Like which ones fit our system. um defensive tackles we're like trying to specify like which guys are nose tackles linebackers that position too and cooper is a will cooper is a will for us he's going to be a will for us whether we run a 4-3 or a 3-4 um he's so i think he's up 230 i i think all our was a thing of you put on weight last year and like the training camp that was the big story you put on a bunch of weight? I think it was. He's still a smaller guy at linebacker. There's available linebackers in this class. It's a lot of wills. So like Dean is a will. Bush is a will. Quincy Williams is a will. You don't really want to pair that guy with Edger and Cooper. You need a mic. You need basically a plugger. And there's pluggers in this class like chanel who basically played like 4-3 sam for kansas city he was like a blitzer line of scrimmage guy you don't want him dropping back into coverage demario davis and his legs at this point um caden ellis is another guy who's you know one of those downhill plugger guys but those guys aren't going to help you in coverage very much and coverage is going to matter a lot uh in this system so it'll be interesting to see because i do think like Mike as a need I don't want Isaiah McDuffie starting at Mike for this team for 17 games but the way that they pivot out of Walker is going to be interesting because if you're looking at young young guys or not even like young guys just like guys who can play Mike and are athletic it's like Devin Lloyd and Quay Walker and that's probably going to be one reason why Quay Quay's market is going to get driven up because the teams that are in on Dean and Bush and stuff like that are going to be different than the teams that are in on walker i think lloyd's more of a mike right or does he play a little bit oh yeah he's i mean he's gonna get 20 million per year yeah if you want to do that go for it by the way birdies have told me that jacksonville camp has his eyes on on quay they jacksonville thinks all their free agents who are slated to hit free agency are gonna hit free agency at this point too so okay this goes for your Monteric Brown, Greg Newsome, all those guys, they think that they're all hitting the market. Etienne. Interesting. Sign me up for Monteric Brown, as we know. With safeties, we don't need to go over. I'll just list the names because they're not going to sign a safety. Brian Cook, Kobe Bryant, Cameron Curl, Jaquan Brisker, Jalen Thompson, Reed Blankenship, and Nick Cross. And that leaves us with corner, which is a decent amount. We've talked about corner quite a bit, so we probably don't need to dig into it a ton. But Jalen Watson, Reek Woolen, Nashawn Wright, Elante Taylor, Monteric Brown, Eric Stokes, and Cordell Flott. I thought we haven't talked about a ton. I'm not a huge flat guy, but he does kind of fit. He's like 170 pounds, dude. There's no way we're going to do it. There's no way. I looked into Monteric Brown a little bit. I worry about his speed, man. I really do in this scheme specifically. I think he's a zone corner. I think a guy like Halfley would like him. If we still had Halfley, maybe you can squint enough and talk yourself into it. I really do worry about the fit here by the way i ran the numbers on uh gannon's cornerbacks who by the way like i had this on my question for you beat me to it go for it they didn't spend a whole ton of assets on corner because they were if people don't remember the first two years in arizona i mean truly like ground up rebuild like they did not have a lot of assets like everything was built into to year three and then year three i think the cardinals led the nfl in terms of money that ended up on ir for like the you know the weeks that they were on ir and all that stuff too um in arizona none of his guys were even four or five guys everyone was a four four guy and you know you could look at the average corner or you could do it by weighted snaps or anything basically the average quarter corner for gannon was a four four two guy right you got to be able to run in this because what's going to happen is after about five yards you're playing man coverage at the cornerback position because you're going to be playing off matching quote unquote zone but it's really a match coverage more than anything else you're sorting out the routes and then it's click and close and you're not getting any reroutes so those guys are able to build up speed immediately on the outside you have to have fast guys i think that is going to hurt um brown flott i don't think he makes sense because of his size and then outside of that i think the other guys are on paper scheme fits. If you want to look into them individually, it becomes a little bit more interesting. We're like, Eric Stokes, are we going to make the call and bring him back? I don't know. Elante Taylor spent a whole lot more time in the slot than he did outside, and he was a lot better in the slot than he was outside. If we sign Taylor, I'm fully convinced that this team thinks they can just convert slot defenders into outside corners, I think that's a dumb plan to just live in that market. Nashawn Wright, Andy, this guy was on the street in April. This guy signed a reserve futures deal with the Vikings, got cut right before the draft because they were like, hey, we need room for undrafted free agents. And then he signs with the Bears, has a Pro Bowl year. But if you look into his metrics, he's allowing yards. He's just getting interceptions. So he's ranked 29th, right? On the overall consensus board for free agents. If you're looking at young corners, he's third in the pecking order. But all of that is basically based off of one year of ball skill production, right? That's a scary thing. I'll say this as when Green Bay went up against Chicago, I was looking forward to having Nashon Wright on the opposite side. Yes, he's got ball skills, but they had no issues going at him. and they i would yeah i would say it's a big bet right i'm not saying that it's not going to work out but it's a it's a big bet and pretty much all you care about is the 2025 film and nothing else you know in his past so like really like the two guys i feel really good about in this cornerbacks class it's jalen watson and tarik woolen it's the two top guys they're top 20 free agents i think if you swing, you swing big. Maybe there's guys, there's guys further down the line that interests me a little bit. Like, uh, Newsome makes the top a hundred now since I've, I've updated this list. He's at 96. I don't think Jacksonville likes him very much. I also didn't know Newsome was basically a slot because the last two years in Cleveland before moving to Jacksonville and they had him play outside, he gave up a ton of yards, man. He was bad. He's been bad his last couple of years in Cleveland and then Jacksonville traded for him. And I was actually kind of excited because i'm like you know what maybe a change of scenery change of scenery right yeah will help and it did not at all and he kind of immediately fell out of favor there so yeah i i loved him coming out was really high on him thought he was going to be good was excited to watch him play but kind of tracking his career it did not go according to plan the one guy lower on this list who kind of checks all the boxes is josh joe who's coming from seattle seahawks and he's played in a similar system it took him until year four to really get it figured out now he got to play with a bunch of very talented people around him but those were for the most part the same people that he played with in 24 and he wasn't having the same type of production he had in 24 that he had in 25 he's a younger guy um he can run he has the size that the packers look for because again they're going to want guys in the at minimum 190 range at minimum 5'10", probably closer to 6'0", he kind of checks all the boxes. If I were to tier it, and you told me, hey man, priority, you're looking at these cornerbacks, they have to fit the system, what guys would you like Green Bay to take a swing on? My first two swings are Watson and Wollin, which those are going to be everyone's first swings at the cornerback position unless you're a Jamel Dean guy, big Jamel Dean guy. And then my next one would probably be Joe just because I'm like, I don't think he's going to get paid the same way. Some of these other guys are going to get paid, but he checks all the boxes and you know, you can have his contract in 27 and all this stuff. So I think if it gets to Joe, but I would just say we're, we're attacking it in the draft or we're keeping what we have and we're going to try to make that's fine too. I mean, I think some of this stuff is interdependent though too. Cause it's like attacking in the draft sounds great unless you don't come away with a nose tackle or a linebacker or you know a mike linebacker or a um center free agency and then say we're gonna attack this in the draft and we're like all four of them so we're attacking it we're for sure gonna solve this in the fifth round one of these good luck yeah good luck well that transitions us because we have four more corners to look at we can look at these a little bit more lightning round today since uh we're 45 minutes in and since we went through our four I just want to say, Justice, I don't know if this is just by happenstance or just because you're a very smart individual. This is another group of corners that I very much liked and enjoyed watching. So I'm interested to hear your thoughts on these as well. Let's start with Damani Jackson, 6'1", 196, corner out of Alabama. We'll turn 23 in November of this year, 73.4 PFF grade. Only had targeted 21 times, but allowed 16 completions, 76.2% completion percentage. but for only 135 yards, one touchdown, no picks, one pass breakup, 108.2 rating, four penalties. Yeah, so Damani came into the year as a projected top 50 guy. He is, last time I checked on the consensus board, he is outside of the top 150. When I have asked around about Damani Jackson to NFL people, there's a couple who like him. For the most part, what I get is, oh, you're one of those guys. So there's an in-group and an out-group in terms of the people who like Damonte Jackson. I think he's a very good scheme fit for us. He was basically running that quarter system already at Alabama. He can run like the wind, dude. He is the state champion and record holder for the 100-meter dash in the state of California. Love it. He's very fast. The issue he dealt with this year was a rib injury. um he kept playing but it wasn't good until so basically like by so he started the year playing pretty well had the rib injury continued to play but like in a rotational role which is important in the context of alabama modern nil and the guys that he had behind them andy you can't just pay these guys and tell them to shut up and not transfer you actually have to play those guys. So like Bama has five-star cornerbacks behind Damani and Damani wasn't performing because he was still dealing with this injury and playing through it. And they were like, yeah, we got to get them on the field. Now, what Alabama did was as soon as they started getting into elimination games, flipped right back. And they were like, Damani is going to be playing 80% of our snaps at outside corner. So you can watch him, SEC championship game. Yeah, they played two college football playoff games because they played Oklahoma the first round and then they played Indiana. He was all over the field in that. Ended up going in the Shrine Bowl. He was like the number one guy at the Shrine Bowl at the cornerback position. Probably the only potential top 150 guy there at corner specifically. Eric Galco, do not get mad at me. Both the media and the scouts that I've talked to who are down at the Shrine Bowl both told me he did not have a great week. That is one reason why he's slipping down some of these boards. People were worried about his athleticism down there, which again, I wasn't down there. I wasn't down in Frisco this year. I wasn't able to see it. When I look at his film at Alabama, I thought he was limited athletically for sure when he was dealing with a rib injury, but those final three games of the Bama season, I thought he played pretty well. I think the combine is going to be huge for this dude. So good for us on timing this right before these guys start running this week um if he doesn't run a 4-4 i think it's like gonna tank because that's that's his calling card it's that he can fly and if he can't fly anymore we're talking about a totally different player and that that's why i think scouts are a little hesitant right now i liked overall his physicality willing to come up and make a hit no panic can play in multiple schemes. I felt like an Alabama corner played that style of football. I thought his instincts, angles, work on double moves, things like that weren't quite up to snuff. His run angles. That's his worst trait. The, the, the, like, and it's not like you're working pursuit drill in high school, right? You have reps at this. So that is the one thing that I'm like, if something spills quickly to the outside, I don't know if you're going to take the right angle for this. Um, and that's definitely a concern now. Can that be coached for sure? He also played at matter day, which is a huge football factory in, in Southern California, um, played at USC and then played at Alabama. It's as good as it gets. Sure. Pursuit angles were stressed at some point, especially during like, you know, uh, when, when you don't have pads on and stuff like that. And it's basically conditioning with a helmet on you know that's a lot of what you're doing is pursuit angles and stuff so i hope that it gets better do i will i put my name that it will get better no no no no yeah we'll be right back let's go to julian neil next one 62 208 arkansas or previously played at fresno state just turned 23 years old in february 79.5 pff grade targeted 48 times 27 completions 56.3 percent 346 yards three touchdowns two picks eight pass breakups four penalties and an 82.5 rating thoughts on neil this is a very easy one former receiver former basketball player long guy big guy 6-2 202 um guess what the former receiver and basketball guy has some ball skills, Andy. You're going to be shocked by this one. Go figure. I think spot drop zone teams are going to like him a whole lot more than the Packers will, just because I don know if he can run that well There some people who think he a 4 guy Most people think he a 4 guy And guy um and probably like a four four nine yeah yeah i i think he gonna be like mid to low four fives on four five five seems about yeah something like that or worse um i get it i bet he goes yeah i mean he's for sure gonna go top 150 you would have to work around him which you can in the the calls that gannon is going to be able to make where hey man maybe we don't play stubby and we play stump and if that guy is running a drag route from one we don't want our outside corner covering that guy we just want him zoning off and you you drop back and you protect the sideline right um that's one of the benefits of this quarter quarter system but he definitely needs to be worked around uh in this scheme so i i gave him a third fourth uh i gave um damani a third which is probably going to be way higher than he gets drafted if he runs slow this week i apologize don't hold it against me i will be changing that grade but that that's where i have him right now for neil uh love the size and I thought he had pretty darn good movement skills for a size overall long arms. I like the upside good ball skills. As you mentioned a little bit tight in the hips, not the most smooth silky corner in the world, but gets the job done. And overall liked what I saw on tape. Yep. All right. Dalen Everett's next 6, 1, 190 corner out of Georgia turns 22 in May 69.7 PFF grade 68 targets, only 38 completions, 55.9%, but 440 yards given up three touchdowns, one pick seven pass breakups, five penalties and 84.2 PFF rating. Sorry, quarterback rating. My apologies. I don't know how different he is from Chris Johnson. And that's one of the issues that I have with Chris Johnson where I'm like, these guys are kind of the same. And you're telling me one of these, like when I wrote the article ever, it was one 27 on the consensus board. And Chris Johnson is now like pushing in the first round of mock drafts and all of stuff people are like oh he's my favorite sleeper I'm like dude he's going like 25th and all these but like how long does he get to be a sleeper for um jack of all trades master of none already played the quarter system I think he's pretty solid at just about everything I think he could be a corner two for you no problem I think he's a good system fit in this game I gave him a third fourth doesn't have huge ball skills or anything like that I think his first interception was in the sec championship game which i know when i was watching i was watching the game and i had my phone out and i just see like all the packers fans being like dalen everett we have to go get him he just got the interception that was his first one all year um so it's kind of funny how love it fall into those reactions very quickly i think he's solid i think he's gonna be a solid corner too i think he checks all the boxes to like crush thresholds thresholds right where you're not worrying about this guy if you take him in the third like late third or something like that which like we're going to be picking in the late third yep and you're like hey maybe he'll contribute this year if not he'll probably be a starter in 27 and we have him under contract for four seasons totally reasonable to me big time i just don't understand the gap between everett and johnson really i don't get it unless johnson runs like a four four three like some people think he's going to do in Indy. That would be a difference. Yeah, I think Johnson gets a little benefit of playing at a smaller school, meaning he just doesn't get targeted, and when he does, he's able to shut it down because he's playing against lesser competition. The first thing I had, not only that he looks the part, but played in the SEC, played really well in the SEC, compressed in mirror, used him as a blitzer. They used him outside, they used him inside a little bit. Not as aggressive as a run defender, but good enough. Trigger was a little bit late. He's a little small, but again, he's not so small that... You're knocking him off the board or anything like that? He's not D'Angelo Pons. I'd like Keith Abney better than Carrington Valentine if I had the choice right now. Keith Abney, by the way, I saw him. I think Huber had him going, and I'm not taking shots at Huber. Huber had him going in the second. We've never taken a guy that small in two decades. I really don't think that we're going to be in the Keith Abney market. I haven't watched him, but I will definitely take your word for it. But yeah, I liked Everett too. Again, I liked all four of these. Again, I didn't have any. Usually, this is like the most rare. And this is why I was kind of giving you credit earlier. I usually like go through these and there's like usually one or two. I'm just like, nope, not my cup of tea. Don't like. And the four you brought up last week and the four you brought up this week, liked all eight of these, honestly. Takario Davis is the last one. 6'4", 200. Corner out of Washington. Turns only 22 in August. So he's on the younger side. 67.2 PFF grade. Only targeted 28 times. 15 completions. 53.6%, only 146 yards, one touchdown, two picks, four pass breakups, six penalties, a 50.6 quarterback rating. So he's been a big name for like three years. And I think his best game or his best season was three years ago. I don't think he's taking the next step. He's like 6'3", 200 pounds, long guy. I don't think he can run at least well enough in this game. I think a spot drop zones team is going to like him a lot more if you're going to be like gus bradley or something like that right like tennessee tennessee might really love this guy right he kind of looks like those old legion of boom guys that they had outside corner which like richard sherman great the guys opposite of richard sherman was like a rotating cast of like long dudes brandon browner sideline zone like yeah doing very specific things and working around their issues um he transferred from arizona where he was originally at to washington he stuck out the final year uh after fish left so fish was the head coach of arizona left for washington he stayed the extra year arizona and then followed a fish to washington which happened with a couple of guys. And a lot of those Arizona guys stayed, like Tetserona, McMillan. Was Morgan? I don't think Morgan was. I think Morgan was the last fishier. There were a couple of Fafita, the quarterback. A lot of those guys stayed back at Arizona instead of going up to UW. The guy he reminded me a lot of was Devon House. And we took Devon House in the fourth. And he was basically, he started 14 games in his rookie contract and then he came back for another starting year and then got hurt and then was kind of out of the league from there on out got a huge convert uh contract from jackson back to green bay yep yep exactly yeah no shout out to him um but yeah i think this is like a fourth fifth round guy i think this is an early day three guy i'm not super excited about him don't love the scheme fit there is some talent i think there's other teams that would like him a bit more the you mentioned the legion boom the first thing i had is is he more of a cover three corner i could easily see that being the case he's a big guy he's gonna he's gonna help in like the red zone and stuff like that where like you start motioning guys in or like short yardage like he's a big body guy he's gonna help in the run game if uh the spacing works out right but i don't know that's not a reason to draft a guy in the top 100 there's another 6-4 guy that we talked about earlier that he reminded me a little bit of nation, right? I don't think he has the ball skills of nation, right? But similar, a little bit in coverage, long arms. I just think he needs more technical work. He's still young. So there's some upside there. I guess how young he is. Cause he, again, he had the breakout. I think it was his red shirt freshman season. Maybe it was his true freshman season. And like, there's different. That was for Wikipedia. So take it for what it's worth. Yeah. Well, no, but I, I had it down too. When I asked around him, they were like, yeah, he's still only 21. And I was like, what? How is he 21? He's been in college for all this time. There was a time where people were talking like first round with this guy. But then again, he's just, he's never taken that next step where it's just like, Oh, okay. Maybe this is just what you are. And if it's weird to say that about a 21 year old, but when you don't progress from ages 19 to 21, it's a question mark. Yeah. It's a flag. It sure is. I did mention, or I did question the scheme fit as well. And then these are, this is a little bit of a field pick. Like these are the type of corners I enjoy watching and I like, and then I usually get burned on and they don't turn out. So he's definitely a little bit of that for me where I liked watching them, but I have flagged these type of corners in the past of like, I usually like watching them and they don't, they don't turn out well. So I'm a little bit jaded there. Those were the four corners. If you said, if I told you that Green Bay drafted one of these four, who do you think is most likely? I think Willie makes a ton of sense as a scheme fit and then I'm sorry who makes the most sense Willie oh we're talking just talking about these ones specifically Damani and then Everett because I think those are the guys who are better scheme fits and when you're talking about the draft which is a market with 32 other teams guys are going the highest bidder scheme fit is usually top priority so I think those two and they check the boxes for what the Packers usually look at at the position too in terms of high weight speed and all that stuff. You said Will Lee. I thought you said Will D. I'm like, I don't think you want Jason Will D. I got him at 4-4. I got him at 4-4. That's his age, not his 40 time. I don't know what Jason's age is, but yeah. No, all due respect to Jason. He can do a lot of things great. Corner, I don't think, is probably one of them. I had some other random things, but we can save those for another day. uh any final thoughts on anything else before we get out of here anything else that i didn't ask you that you wanted to go over um i'm just looking at like things that oh i do one one just thing really quick what what are you most what as a packers uh fan slash analyst what what at the combine is is of most interest to you if anything uh generally so this is the cheat code offensive linemen if they run a roughly 775 cone and a 475 shuttle those guys are highly likely to be targeted by the packers now those were the rules when the packers were okay with drafting 300 pounders instead of trying to go after 320 pounders so like you look at like the anthony belton numbers it's a little bit higher not that much higher it's still like within the ballpark of that but then you're including like the the weight difference there too right so um you want to look at guys who are at least like average ish in both of the agility drills that will help you a lot uh in general if you're looking at pass rushers man and i don't know how many of these guys are even going to run anymore because it seems like fewer and fewer guys are running there's fewer and fewer head coaches and general managers now that are attending the combine it's definitely being deprioritized in general um pass rushers you're looking for guys who are running uh like a 4740 and somewhere in the ballpark of a seven second three cone now that guys are different sizes at edge rusher so it's a sliding scale right yeah but if you can get into like that ballpark for the most part those edge rushers is going to be good um i want to see the corners that are going to run four fours because again we brought up the gannon stuff and gannon did not have gannon did not have a lot of options and he still actively went out of the way to basically exclusively play four four guys at the cornerback position so i do think that that's going to be an important number um green bay has drafted guys who have run like four fives and stuff in the past i just think you have to prioritize speed especially with this defense right now um trying to think of positions that i care i mean uh dante corleone didn't step on the scale he's a big nose tackle from cincinnati he's been dealing with a blood clot issue he talent wise would be 100 top 100 uh talent but obviously teams are scared of the blood clot thing that he's been dealing with for the last two years and then he didn't step on the scale at the shrine bowl so i want to know his weight that's going to be important um parker brailsford is the opposite. He's the center out of Alabama. I don't think we're going to take him. I was told he was playing like the low 280s even when he bulked up his last year at Alabama. Definitely interested in seeing what that size is. The Packers. Yeah. The Packers recently right so we're talking last three years and you could you look at their pre-draft visits and stuff like that. They really want to bring in guys who are like 320 or bigger at the offensive line positions in general now i i think they're willing to go a little bit smaller than that at tackle like they sent in the pick for jordan morgan um i think they're willing to go smaller than that at center um but if you're looking at a guys who could be potentially swing tackle guards guys who could be potentially swing guard centers i i do think that they want to kind of live in that range um so i'm interested in the weights of uh these offensive one moving forward to the uh john eric sullivan big doesn't get small uh we're gonna we're gonna hear more and more about big doesn't get small this this this draft class yeah and i honestly if they're running their offense the way that they're running it right now they should want to be big up front they really should yeah they should i'm with you justice i cannot thank you enough i kind of interrupted you before you had potentially any other any other thoughts anything else you you want to get off your chest i was just looking at things that i was like writing earlier in the week um did you see how gersmo's gonna throw out the combine love it give me give me like actually no i don't like it because imagine if he ends up being good and you you just said you know what we're in the clayton toon business instead i i can't end up with taylor l gersmo being good if that like that would be a huge bummer but i think you have toon just running scout team scout team of course yeah i think there's an aspect of that but even that is your best scout team option like the you yeah whatever it doesn't matter uh go follow ken ken ingles he started a youtube channel he's talking about the nfl salary cap stuff go find him um i don't know what the name here i could probably pull it up right now i think it's just his name but i could be wrong is it just ken ingles i think it is it is just ken ingles ingles i-n-g-l I-N-G-A-L-L-S He's doing a great job of breaking down the Packers salary cap situation And not only that, but all the small nuances and options That the Packers have moving forward, going into free agency Andy and I talked to Ken a good amount I know that because we're in the same Twitter group chat together Anytime I have a question, I just go to Ken there's a different world where i'm crunching a bunch of salary cap numbers and it's taking a whole lot of time of my life but ken does a good enough job that i genuinely don't feel like i need to do it um so that's how much i have respect for him so go follow him no he's he's one a uh i did same with you like and i've done it here on the channel i can break it down i know how to do it i i can ballpark i go to him with ballparks and i'm like does this roughly look right he's like thumbs up and i'm like sweet good enough for me yep yeah but he's he's 1a in the clubhouse and does a fantastic job with it and makes everyone who covers the packers life easier because of his knowledge of it which is super super helpful so yes go follow him uh again ken ingles over on youtube i think his social is just add ken ingles too right or maybe i think it is yeah go follow him there uh of course you can find my guests to my right left i don't know it's always reversed either way find him at j-u-m-o-s-q you can find him uh of course on acme packing company.com as well you find me at andyherman nfl but you know that already we'll be back next week probably wednesday next week is my guess uh one day later so just kind of keep an eye out for that but for justice and i until next time and as always go packo Thank you. you