Emmy's Underwhelming Apologies & Grace Lilly's Cheap Shots Ft. Southern Hospitality's TJ & Mia
35 min
•Mar 31, 202617 days agoSummary
TJ and Mia from Southern Hospitality discuss season four of their show, which features longer episodes, more trips, and deeper character development. The conversation centers on cast dynamics, Emmy's underwhelming apologies for offensive language, Grace Lilly's inappropriate behavior toward Maddie, and how the group navigates complex friendships while filming.
Insights
- Extended season format allows for more nuanced storytelling and character development beyond workplace drama, enabling viewers to see cast members' lives holistically
- Reality TV cast members struggle with the tension between genuine friendships and performative conflict, with some using avoidance as a coping mechanism rather than addressing issues directly
- Workplace-based reality shows create dual accountability layers: cast members must maintain job performance while being filmed, adding stress and creating interpersonal friction
- Manipulative relationships off-camera significantly impact on-camera apologies and conflict resolution, making it difficult for groups to move forward authentically
- New cast members benefit from being introduced organically through existing relationships rather than being inserted as external additions to established dynamics
Trends
Reality TV shows extending season lengths to allow deeper narrative arcs and relationship development rather than episodic conflictCast members increasingly aware of social media accountability and 'cancel culture' impact on language and behavior choicesHospitality industry workers leveraging reality TV appearances for personal brand building (Sir Weiner hot dog business, DJ services, fitness ventures)Reality TV audiences expecting authentic relationship progression and conflict resolution rather than manufactured dramaOff-camera relationships and external influences (partners, family) becoming central to understanding on-camera behavior and apologies
Topics
Reality TV production and cast dynamicsWorkplace friendships and professional relationshipsConflict resolution and apologies in group settingsSocial media accountability and cancel culturePersonal brand building through reality televisionHospitality industry work cultureRelationship manipulation and codependencyCharleston social scene and dating dynamicsCast member retention and evolutionFilming logistics and production challengesAuthenticity vs. performance in reality TVGroup dynamics and boundary-settingAlcohol consumption culture in hospitalityNew cast member integration strategiesOff-camera influence on on-camera behavior
Companies
Republic
Primary workplace setting for Southern Hospitality cast members; central location for workplace drama and cast intera...
Southern Charm
Larger Bravo reality show set in Charleston; mentioned as more established competition with higher viewership and fan...
Bravo
Network that produces Southern Hospitality; implied as the broadcaster of the show being discussed
Sir Weiner
Hot dog business venture run by TJ; mentioned as personal entrepreneurial project separate from reality TV work
People
Emmy
Central figure in discussion about underwhelming apologies, offensive language use, and conflict avoidance with cast ...
Grace Lilly
Criticized for inappropriate behavior toward Maddie, bringing up harmful rumors, and making cheap shots at other cast...
TJ
Primary podcast guest; discusses season four dynamics, Emmy's apologies, and his Sir Weiner business venture
Mia
Primary podcast guest; discusses her breakup, dating dynamics in Charleston, and cast relationships
Maddie
Discussed as target of Grace's inappropriate behavior and someone who shuts down when upset
Bradley
Mentioned as having confronted Emmy about offensive comments she made about him
Joe
Mentioned as one of Emmy's best friends involved in group chat drama with Maddie
Lake
Discussed for her conflicted handling of Emmy and Bradley situation; joined show in season three
Molly
Joined in season three; now best friends with Mia; discussed for work performance and social dynamics
Michaels
Joined in season three; already worked at Republic, making integration more natural
Justin
New cast member who is friends with TJ; dating Charlie from Southern Charm
Will
Discussed as potentially manipulative influence on Emmy's behavior and apologies off-camera
Craig
Southern Charm cast member mentioned as having worked at Republic; now runs pillow business
Charlie
Southern Charm cast member dating Justin; described as younger, bar-oriented, and part of Charleston social scene
Sally
Southern Charm cast member; frequently goes out with Charlie; described as beer drinker
Leva
Experienced reality TV producer who worked on Southern Charm before Southern Hospitality
Quotes
"I think that she doesn't understand the magnitude of the things that come out of her mouth and the labels that she puts on people and words that she chooses to use."
TJ•Mid-episode
"If I had wronged somebody in the group intensely or something that's something hurtful, the first thing that I want to do is sit down with them. I'd sit down in front of everybody."
TJ•Mid-episode
"The more you avoid the conversation, it's the harder it's going to be to actually have the conversation to move on."
TJ•Mid-episode
"I've always kept her at a distance after the water happens live season one. She like embarrassed me on there and she like tried to call me a hoe and it just like didn't hit at all."
TJ•Late-episode
"The embarrassment of somebody else is never cute. It's never funny. It doesn't hit. It doesn't make you look snarky or witty or smart or anything."
TJ•Mid-episode
Full Transcript
I'm so thrilled to be here with another pair of our Southern hospitality OGs today. TJ and Mia, welcome. Hi. Hi, thank you for having us. Thank you. Season four, how are we doing? Good. We're good. Good. Yeah. We're hanging on. I'm like, yeah, we're wondering what else is there. Well, we were just talking, it's like, oh, this season is so great. We're only four episodes in. It's fire. It feels like we've lived a million lives with you guys. Yeah, there's so much going on. Four seasons. We're four episodes into this one. Like I feel like this season, I was talking to Maddie and Joe when they were here last week. Like it really feels like we as the viewers have like been through so much with you guys now. There are two more trips that are about to happen. Yeah, there's two more trips. Like buckle up, get your passport. But also we're not used to that. Like this is going to be the longest season that we've had. And then I think it's going to be able to tell like a lot more in depth of like what's going on. And we finally have gotten to a point where like, you know, you do know the person that you've been watching the last four seasons. Like the story is finally being told. We have enough time. No, we're not talking about things that happened before the camera happened. We're talking about things that like, yeah. Well, I think it was so interesting because obviously like when, you know, talking to Maddie and like the stuff with the reunion last season, like we almost dealt with that in the first like episode or two this season. And now we're on to completely different set of issues, set of, you know, stories to tell. It's fun though. Also you guys are getting the full reunion treatment this season. I mean, finally, like, I think last season's reunion was like a turning point though, where it was like, this needs to be. We need more space. Yes. Yeah. We need more time to work through some things. We were like double decked on each other on that. You know, it was like, it was two levels. The clubhouse is tight. Yeah. Yeah. What has it been like for you guys kind of doing the show now that you have more of that experience under your belt, but also the relationships have gotten more complicated. There's more, you know, history with everyone. Is it, do you have more fun doing it now? Is it easier? Is it harder? This is my first season being single since season one, right? So like, I think that's really fun for me. Navigating, I think. Yeah. No, I feel like we, I feel like we're all like loving it. Like, yeah, we're all really loving it. We're feeling much more comfortable, much more confrontational as set up. Yeah. I definitely think it takes a while to adjust to the camera. Like rather you think about it or not, but I can tell, like just watching myself, like my body language and way of holding myself that I'm much more comfortable than like I was in the very beginning. Also, it also helps the drinker, you know, flowing. You kind of forget who's around. The drinker. Yeah. Well, I think also, like as we get to know you on the show more outside of just like this group of people that work at Republic, it's like you can kind of follow the, you know, the contours of your lives a little bit more. You have other stuff going on. You know, there are people incorporated. Like it's not just sort of that one central thing of like the group of people that work at this place. It's like, no, we, we want to see like all the different pieces. You see a lot of us like doing our own thing. TJ with Sir Weiner. Sir Weiner. Brad with Body by Brad. Yeah, I'm Maddie's DJ. And like me being fun employed. You know. Yeah, she's navigating a thymaster. She's Sir Weiner. She's Sir Weiner's number one employee. Yeah, I am. You're the waitress. I'm an employee of the only five months I'm in. No, I think it's, it's, it's fun to see kind of like the, I feel like you guys as a group kind of like blossoming in all these different directions and you know, the messiness comes along with it. It comes very naturally as well. You know. Yeah, I think we spend so much time together that it, you know, there's going to be like someone gets annoyed with something. I feel like when we're filming, we need to stop spending time with each other when we're not, when the cameras are down. You know what I mean? I think that's honestly the hardest part. Yeah, because we are such good friends. Like, we would just talk about like what we want to talk about like immediately after. Yeah. You know, like we're not used to like having to like. We want to dissect. But I think it's like, it's, you would so much rather have that than there are shows where it's like, this season, this season starts and it's like, okay, what are we, sorry, who, what are we doing? Yeah, like, did you just have a baby? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, where have you been the last six months? Exactly. Yeah. I always think that's weird when like shows pick up and like it's a new season and like the first scene is like, I haven't seen him in forever. I'm like. Last season. I haven't seen that person in forever. Yeah. No, it's, it does feel like a very like the ball is always in play with you guys and it's just like, okay, where are we now? What's going on today? And it's usually something. It's everything. So usually something is usually everything. I'm curious for you, you mentioned like you went through a breakup at the beginning of this season. Obviously that would be hard for anyone, whether they're on a TV show or not, but having to kind of navigate that in front of the cameras with this group, was it helpful to have almost a distraction or what was that like kind of? Well, definitely it was a distraction, right? But then I think people wanted it to be, I want to say people, I mean, like our castmates, you know, whoomst, wanted there to be more drama with my, especially with my breakup. Right. They're like, well, something, something else happened. Like me, I definitely did something or Troy did something. Yeah. And it's like, oh, we just kind of knew that. It wasn't going to work out. And then, you know, I know they had like a hard time. Some of the castmates of like realizing that Mia, like the next week was like doing her thing and trying to go on dates. And they kind of like were judgments love that with her. But like that's how me, like that's how you met Troy. I met Troy the day after I had broken up with my ex-boyfriend. And they were together. Yeah. And Troy, yeah, we were together for like years. And then Troy kind of found out that I was like seeing was, you know, like at least playing the field. And he was like, Mia, are you kidding me? And I was like, do you forget how I met you? Like, like I was on hinge the day I dropped my ex at the airport. That's like, you're welcome for the best two years of your life. Yeah. I was like, don't forget. I was like, don't forget how we played this game. I think also it's like you can have fun and live your life and put yourself out there in a way that isn't like, oh, I'm trying to like lock down the next long term thing. I think that the sort of like conversation about whether or not you were going to go on a date with Justin was kind of like, yeah, it seemed fun. And I said, yes, the restaurant was good. And then it was like, wait, this actually seems like more trouble than it. Yeah. Then exactly more trouble than it was worth. And not saying that he's worth, you know, it was not that much trouble. But I mean, I just like that girl, you know, Jordan, which is too much. Yeah. She was like, she had begging him not to code. And then it was like, I don't, I don't even have her number saved in my phone. Yeah. I was like, what girl? If I did not see any men that like had a girl that was after them, my God, I couldn't date anybody. You don't think I was fighting three other girls with Troy. And then, you know, I came out on top, you know, literally. But yeah, it's like, if there's one thing we've learned about Charleston, there's incest. Yeah. Very incest. Yeah. And that's, I kind of try to avoid that. So that's like the, that's the whole thing I had to import. You know, so I feel like especially when you're, when you're on a show like this, there's already going to be that kind of level of people, you know, is there an ulterior motive? Like what are people, what are, is somebody looking for? I'm curious, like for you guys doing this for four seasons now, have you felt a shift in like when you're in Charleston, when you're working at Republic, like when you're at events and stuff like, do people kind of approach you in a different way than maybe they did before you were on the show? I've always been like this. So I don't think. Yeah. Yeah. Me as always. I mean, yeah, of course, like I have a lot of fan interaction at Republic. I usually work during the daytime. So I have like people sit down and it's not loud. Like we can communicate and talk. But I don't really think locals have like really bad in it and I. I guess they're used to seeing like the southern charm. Also southern charm, yeah. That's a bit of a bigger show than ours. I think just specifically for Charleston. So like they're the big, like they'll come into Republic and be like, so is Craig here. You know, and it's like, girl, he's at the pillow store. Like don't come up, don't come to Republic. Yeah, he was that way. Yeah. I don't know. He was here six years ago. Yeah, exactly. It didn't tip, but whatever. I'm joking. I'm joking. No, it's been so interesting watching the season though and getting to know Justin a little bit knowing that now he's with Charlie who's on Southern charm. How much have you guys like interacted? A lot. She's fabulous. She's much more like our speed because she is younger. Yeah. She is a bit of a more younger crowd. And I think she loves to go out. I mean, Sally got the bar rat situation. I was like, if Sally's out, Charlie's with her. I'm like, what happened to that? What happened to that? Yeah. You know, like they're always out together. Yeah, exactly. I don't think being a bar rat is like a negative thing though. He meant it in a negative way. He meant it in a negative way, but like. How fun. I'm like, it's Charleston. We are always out. Dude, Charleston runs off of hospitality and drinking and being out and about. And she, I, Sally drinks like only beer. She's like not even that messed up. She just like drinks beer and like shows and hangs out. And that's, you know. I think it's hard to be in Charleston and not drink. Yeah. Shout out, Maddie and Emmy. Yeah, for real. I know. That's tough. Well, my Emmy took that fake shot. I apologize. Oh yeah. Emmy did take a shot. My bad. That was a performative shot. Yeah. Performative shot. What else could I pull out of my hat? Yeah. I like that. Speaking of Emmy though, I mean, you, TJ, had like some, some stuff with her going into this season at that folly house. It was kind of like everyone, you know, everyone took their turn to kind of like address their elephants in the room with Emmy. Like, how did you feel about the way that that interaction went and then maybe kind of like the phone call with her sister? Yeah. Um, I think that that just proves that she's willing to say and do whatever tears in order just to give like half ass fake apology. I don't know. I think that she doesn't understand the magnitude of the things that come out of her mouth and the labels that she puts on people and words that she chooses to use. Um, like it's okay. Like you can admit that you're like not educated, but I feel like you should have educated yourself afterwards. We are literally in the, in the day and age of like the cancel culture, you know what I mean? And so for her to be so unaware of like verbiage and words and what they carry and especially being on such a progressive show like Southern Hostile, if you just want a glad award, like, you know what I mean? It was really weird coming off of like a glad award winning and like having that hype and living on a high and then having to like, you know, deal with and relive things that she has said about me. Like if I gave people getting their rights taken away and here she is just, you know, calling me a predator. So. Yeah. And it's one thing to say, oh, I didn't, I didn't think about it or I didn't know it. But then like from that moment, you can. Look, I like. I like straight guys as much as they like me. Yeah. If anybody was more proud of me. I'm five eight. I'm literally five eight and a hundred and forty pounds. They better watch out for me at the bar. I don't mean to teach anyone. Yeah. I mean, it was too like so like that situation and then also Bradley, you know, talking to her about the stuff that she had said about him. And then it kind of felt like on the most recent episode, like it doesn't really seem like that sunk in very much for her. The way that ended, I felt like, you know, they had a good conversation outside moving forward kind of similar to how we felt walking away off that reunion stage last year. It's a reflection of the reunion. Yeah. Like shaking, crying and so that everything we heard through the wall in the hallway is factual based off her performance at the dinner table then on the phone. There's this. Well, and I think too, like her deciding not to go to Molly's like pajama party. But it's just like there are there are moments and chances where you could actually like start doing the work of earning back, you know, trust or. Like if I if I had a wronged, if I had wronged somebody in the group intensely or something that's something hurtful, the first thing that I want to do is sit down with them. I'd sit down in front of everybody. Pulling Maddie, right? Yeah. No, no, no, but the thing is like also, like if I was Emmy, she's like, I don't want to sit at the table with everybody and they're going to attack me. Right. Just get out the fucking way. Yeah. I think she is so afraid of that. She's like, they're just going to gang up on me and they're just going to, you know, attack me. And I'm like, because you hide from all of us. So the moment that we can get you in front of us to say an apology or just say your piece, it's time, you know, that's what needs to happen. So the more you the more you avoid the conversation, it's the harder it's going to be to actually have the conversation to move on. Exactly. Yeah. And then starting to start a new page. And it's so I want to believe the apologies and the crying. And I'm curious if she just like goes back home to Will and it's just like he tells her to like that tells her to think a different way. But like, you know, flips it a little bit. And then she's like confused. And then she says things and I don't know. I don't want to use it. I think she's done it enough where it's not an excuse anymore. Yeah. But yeah, I think we've all known people that have somebody like that in their life where it's like once you're going to get one thing from them and then they go and talk about it. And then it's like, oh, never mind. We actually didn't make any progress there. I think we all kind of project our security onto her because we recognize that she is very easily manipulated. Like she's she's malleable as a person. And will is very manipulated manipulative. Yeah. I will say, and that's not a that's not a negative thing. Well, you know, I think that has a bad connotation, but they are both on the different sides of the spectrum. So I think that she truly sometimes feels remorse, but then we'll just like, no, they're just hanging up on you and like you're the like you like you're they just want you to feel bad and you know what I mean? I also want I also kind of like he wants her to feel like all she has is him. Like in a sense of like, you know, like, yeah, I could totally see that. Yeah, I could totally see that great point. Well, it's hard to because now that he's not participating in the show at all, like, we're never getting any sort of you're only getting the one you're getting. I mean, whatever she's putting forward, he also did that at the reunion. You sent her out to the wolves. Exactly. When he was like half of the whole mess. Yeah. And so it's it's hard because it's like, you can imagine what might be happening in their conversations, but we can only kind of evaluate what we're being shown. And it's like, and obviously we have our opinions, but he will not confront us ever to, you know, set facts straight or talk about anything. What was, how did it, I was curious because watching it, it was interesting to me with Lake specifically, how she kind of was in a closer place with Emmy going into this season and clearly she felt very conflicted with the. I need to download that app. Her and Bradley. I don't know what app that was. How did you kind of interpret Lake's handling of like, Emmy and Bradley and all of that? I think as quickly as she went outside to check on Emmy, she should have done the same to Brad. Yeah. Period. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's tough because it's like, I. I get that it could be complicated if you have relationships with both people, but it's literally been friends. They've been friends for three weeks. Yeah. It was wild from, from how she went so strongly at her, how strongly I'm Lake went at Emmy at the reunion, you know, like that girl and the, whatever, and the rolling the eyes and wasn't even a bit sympathetic to what Emmy was going through. It's now this sudden like, plead opposite side of that. So team Emmy when like it was like a racial discussion. I don't know. It was just very bizarre. Yeah. Cause it clearly was when that was sort of called out after the fact, she clearly felt really, she was, it seemed like horrified at the idea that it would be interpreted as her like not taking that seriously. But it's like in the, in the moment you, you know, you didn't, you didn't. Yeah. I think if you truly, you know, felt the severity of it, she would have at the, at the dinner table when we all heard about it. I'm curious for you, how did you kind of want to approach the situation with Maddie, like going into the season and then like when you saw her at the folly. So I, I truly had no idea that I was in that group chat. Like I, that, I am not joking. The, the reaction of me, like looking at that on ad in the confessional, I was like, damn, I wasn't it, but I truly had like no plan. Like I, I will say like, I can attest to being in a group chat and not looking at that shit for like a week. I had my, I had, I had my shit on Mia. That's something Mia would have chimed into. She was really like, okay, I get her in the room and then we parent trap them. And then like, I had, I would have done, I would have done it up, you know. But the thing is like, I wasn't, I didn't feel like I had that much play in it at all more than Emmy in, in Joe. Like what are we talking about here? Who like her two best friends. Okay. So I feel like her pushing over my cardboard cut out, which I know was dramatic of me to react to, but one, that was like my representation of being there two days of that. That was the only like essence of me on the con on the, on the continent in North, I was in Hawaii. Okay. I wasn't even on the mainland. I was like on a beach somewhere. You're like, I'm 6,000 miles away. A billion thousand miles away. And I'm like, should we hadn't even talked about it? Like nothing, even at the reunion, she didn't even like seem mad at me. She just seemed about it like Brad or something. So it was like suddenly you felt like you had become this villain in the story. Yeah. And if she wants to like create drama with me when I'm not there and think that there's no going to be, there's not going to be any repercussion. Right. You got a big storm coming. Like it's just not going to happen. I mean, I will say the, the cardboard cut out. Yes, it's dramatic, but we're on a television show and you assaulted my cardboard cut out. It's like, we're fighting. Put it on the, put it on the quote. Literally. Okay. Imagine if you had a cardboard cut out here in the office and somebody threw it down and you, and then you're watching it back or you're hearing about it. Yeah. They look, oh my God. I think she, I feel like she came into that day. Mad. Ready to like make a scene. Sure. I mean, she was walking around like. And she attacked the one thing that like couldn't fight back. On top of like throwing me to the ground, she also was like talking crap about the hot dogs when she was passing him out. Like. Just crazy. Yeah. That event didn't go the smoothest. Yeah. You could say. That's what sir Weiner sells out every single second Sunday. Yeah. I would draw. Yeah. You guys are doing, you're doing the bridge run. Yeah. It's Saturday. I was, I've been to Charleston one time and it was two years ago and I didn't know that it was the weekend of the bridge run. It was the first week of April. I had, yeah, I had to go to the airport like six hours early or else all the streets were going to be closed. No, it's so scary. Yeah. And they all come, I mean, I'm going to be selling. Right. On the car. We'll be in the public patio. Yeah. But what's the scariest part for me is like the lack of deodorant. And we're like out at the bar, like let's guys. Yeah. And like Charleston in April, it's like it can be, it's going to be hot out there. Let's lock in. Yeah. So I'm going to be out there. We should have some deodorant. Every purchase of hot dog spray in the air. Let me see those are. I wonder though, with going back to Maddie, like after Molly's pajama event, when Grace was kind of, you know, we can talk about Grace's whole like out of pocket stuff. But like when you sort of stepped in and we're like, Maddie and I aren't even in a great place, but like I can raise my hand and say like, Hey, that's fucked up. Yeah. Do you feel like that was at all like a brick in the road of you guys getting to a better place or was it kind of that like one off situation? No, it wasn't one off. I had done it last year as well in Vegas when Grace was like berating Maddie. Right. Yeah. I used to go for it. Yeah. I mean, I think. I hate to see like just an injustice, but I really hate to see the way that Grace treats Maddie. For some reason, like rouse me up because I would never, ever tolerate like a friend of mine treating me that way. Yeah. And so it's hard for me to like watch it happen in front of me. And then I can, I can always tell when Maddie's like really actually upset. She kind of shuts down and gets quiet. And for me, I feel like if they didn't relate on, you know, going through an addiction and situation, she wouldn't, she would have stopped it a long time. And also it's not even about the Maddie of it all, which of course I did. Yeah. I felt for her, but it was also because Grace brought up that horrendous rumor of TJ. Yeah. I wanted to. Why am I going to be caught in the crossfire here? Yeah. Like who we've been trying to bury that for so long. That's the thing that I felt like watching that moment, it almost, I was confused at first because I'm like, I feel like we all as a group, even me watching the show like moved on from this like two years ago. No, but like we, she kind of brought it up. Like if it was going to be funny, but that's a really debatable rumor. It's not funny at all. Yeah. It's not funny at all. Like I have a dark sense of humor. I live a little laugh, whatever, but it was just like very inappropriate. She also, mind you, was wondering why nobody invites her to stuff. Yeah. And then that happens at the party. Yeah. And so then I have to look at her and be like, this is why nobody invites you anywhere. So when we do go somewhere without you, you can't be yelling any of my texts and that's why we didn't invite you. Right. Cause you do just like that. Yeah. I mean, it does just, it feels like almost like you guys as a group are so embedded in each other's lives. And obviously that comes with highs and lows and stuff, but there are certain things where it's like, okay, like we have dealt with this. We have to be able to like keep a, keep moving forward from that point. And there are just certain, certain things like that where it's like, there's no good reason to bring that up in a way that's like lighthearted or you're supposed to be fine. Like it just, I also think like the embarrassment of somebody else is never cute. Yeah. It's never funny. He's never cute. It doesn't hit. It doesn't make you look snarky or witty or smart or anything. Yeah. You know, like taking the cheap blow when you have nothing else going on is a little tough, you know, it is. Yeah. I mean, you guys have, you guys have been through a lot as a group and it feels like to keep that ship, you know, on the right course, you do have to kind of understand where those boundaries are. Do you feel like grace is the person in the group that has, that you have the most trouble with when it comes to stuff like that? Or like, uh, as in like, kind of like knowing where the, knowing where the kind of boundaries are of like, okay, what, what, what should we actually be like focusing on right now? I've always kept her at a distance after the water happens live season one. Yeah. Um, that we had. She like embarrassed me on there and she like tried to call me a hoe and it just like didn't hit at all. And I think after that had happened, I knew that I could never. Sure. Like I'm not one to like rebuild a bridge after it's burned. I'm sorry. Like I'll just go another way. Okay. I have friends, I have people that love me. I have people that I love. And, um, I just knew that I never really wanted to keep her close after that. Yeah. And so to watch her kind of, to kind of watch her like deteriorate everybody else's bridge and me just like, look on. Yeah. You're like, I'm not going to like, I'm like, help. Yeah. I'm sorry. Like, you know, and I think she looks around for people to help her because she thinks she's owed that. And I don't think anybody's owed help. You know, ever. I mean, Jesus was the one who helped other people. Yeah. He was human. You got to help yourself. You got to know how to treat people correctly. You know, yeah. I mean, it's, it's tough cause it's like we on a show like this, it's like, you want there to be a drama and you want there to be like, you know, arguments and things like that. But at the end of the day, we, I think audiences want to see like real relationships and friendships and building that, building that like history, which comes with ups and downs. But like, yeah. And I think you guys have done a great job. I mean, you're in there fourth season and you have a really strong group of OGs, you know, you guys, Maddie, Joe, Emmy, you know, Bradley, like all of you guys have really been integral, but also I think like last season, Michaels, Lake Molly, like you guys have been able to sort of like build that. Yeah. We've got Molly and I are like best friends now. Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's a lot of fun on the show. I met her through the season through season three. So like that was the first time we kind of ever met. Yeah. In Vegas. Yeah. That's the first time we met and we kind of were like, if you got each other because we're such big personalities and now we are. Yeah. Going out together. Yeah. I feel like, I mean, she feels like somebody who's been around forever. Like she feels like it's hard sometimes with a show that has like a group of people that are like really friends that it's like, okay, how do we like, how do we like evolve this in a way that doesn't feel like forced, like hired someone to show up? Yeah. Michaels was a good, like I didn't feel like he was in the dish and last year it felt. Yeah. He was really natural as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like already at Republic. Everyone already had a relationship. It wasn't like we're all meeting, you know. What is it like for you guys having the experience of doing the show from the beginning, obviously working with Leva, who had experience doing it on Southern Charm when, when new people have arrived on the show in the last couple of years, do you feel like there's like a, are you like giving advice? Do you talk about that? Or is it just kind of like you'll figure it out? Yeah. I mean, I didn't, I was trying to think of, I gave Justin any advice really. I think. Justin is like a reality TV. Yeah. And I think Justin did a good job with like, yeah, like knowing me prior and coming into this group and me introducing him to everybody, but also like not getting involved and like what issues I had with somebody else or having like, you know, already a judgment of them going into the situation. He really like made it his own, which I think is important. Yeah. Like just because he's my friend and like I introduce him to everybody, doesn't mean he has to like agree with everything that I, you know, I set out to agree too. So I think it, yeah, I think it's important whenever there are new people on, on a longer running show, like you want to be aware of the dynamics and maybe, maybe comment on them a little bit, but not like insert yourself too much in like something that happened before you were there. I also, I personally do not work at a republic, right? I got fired episode one, season two. What? I wasn't a drunk idiot. Like, you don't have the money. Oh my God. I watched it back and I'm like, Oh, God. But so I think some of the people that, that came in like season three, like Lake and Michaels, I mean, maybe Lake specifically, I wasn't working. So like I was just kind of like TJ's friend, like Brad's friend. And you know, like that kind of came in like that. So for them, I don't think they realized like how deep into the show I was. Right. Cause you're sort of, if they haven't watched the show, you're just like a mutual friend. I don't think Molly did. And I don't think Lake did. I knew Michaels did. Yeah. So he knew what was going on. And then you don't have that like time on the schedule every week where you're working together. It's like I was missing a lot of the drama as well. That was happening at republic. Right. So do you, is that, do you ever get like FOMO? No, I wouldn't. Like I'm, like I'm sorry that I am not upset about, remember, remember when Maddie, Maddie told, I mean, not to wear the wrong color dress or something. DJ Tyson, he's like, Oh my God, I mean, he's like freaking out about the wrong color dress. I was like, the what? Yeah. I was like, the who, the what, the where, the why. Also like all the, the times where it was like Emmy would like call out and then be like walking past republic. It was just like, what are we doing? No, because, no, because literally just go to the other side of the street. Like literally. I'm sure Will was like, let's walk past. Like are the cameras out? Like, Oh, Brad's on the door. No, you know, it's, it's funny. And I love the juvenile like drama of it all. It's really refreshing and I love it. And I love being part of it. Yeah. I think a lot of like work internal drama is very like. Petty. Yeah. Like I like working next someone can like bond you with him, but also like you learn, you know, their habits. Well, cause also it's like when you're in a friendship with somebody that doesn't have that work element, it's like. It's there's not kind of that extra layer to it. Like you just, it's about how good of a friend is this person to me. Do we have fun together? Whereas like when your friends with the coworker, it's like, okay, are they lazy at work because that's going to make me like, for example, like, um, love you, Molly. Um, when Molly's Molly is good with customers, she can talk. She brings a lot of people in a lot of guys, a lot of guys like her boobs. She has a lot of hot girlfriends. Great. That's true. But when I'm working with her at night or when I was working with her at night and it was like high volume, like she's talked too much. And like, I would be picking up the slack and like, yes, she was making this money or like, you know, tips and bringing people in, but I'm like, come on girl, like. I get that bottle of soda out. You know, you look like good. Put lip gloss down. Right. It's like, I'm glad you brought in the tables, but now they need the drinks. They ordered. Yeah, exactly. No, and she's a bartender. She was never a bottle service girl. She's a bartender. So she was behind the bar with him. Like, you know, like those. Big nights out where it's like those bars, like stack three lines. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she just be like, yeah, people like want to talk to TJ. They're like, oh my God, TJ live in the show. He's like, what do you want to get? What do you want to get? Yeah. Open our clothes. Open our clothes. Thank you so much. Yeah. That's time talk. Yeah. It is. I mean, that's the thing. Like when you're doing, when you're like filming during those shifts, especially, it's like, you don't have, you still have to do the. Yeah. It's like an extra added like stress. I'm like, okay, I need to make sure that like. I'm giving both the attention that I need to be present. I used to love working the cover. Okay. I'm like, it's $5 cash a card. Shut up. Because I've talked to people too, who have worked on below deck and it's like similar thing where it's like, you have to like do the job to a high standard. Yeah. And be good TV. No, I am so sorry below deck people. That is nothing to say. Those are, that's some serious work. That's do situation. Like, yeah, you make a good vodka soda sometime. Like, you know what I mean? Like that they're like changing bad sheets. If I, if I were to go on any other show, I'd want to go. Oh, you would kill it. You look so keen on the outfit. You guys should. Oh my God. You guys would be like twins. Yeah. No, but you guys should, you guys should be the guests on a show. Thank you. So fun. Thank you. Cause they did it with Salt Lake. I know, but we don't have the money for that. But I think they made them pay. Really? I think. Can we get like a discount? Maybe maybe season nine. There should be like a corporate synergy. We're like gonna dingy all of us. What's one thing for the rest of the season that you're looking forward to people seeing? Um, it's kind of a boring answer, but I feel like just how much fun that we can all have together and just the chemistry and how like our banter is. And yeah, I mean, there's not, I don't think there's like one Pacific thing where I'm like, other than like showing off sir, we know. You're like, we can get through one party with no mask. Cariteers. No, we, no, and we do. And we do have a really, really fun time. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. What about you? I think, um, the trips. Like I feel like I was drunk for half of the time, so I just want to see what happened. And you're, I mean, I feel like also cause you were saying, cause you don't work at Republic anymore, like you must learn a lot watching the show. I do. I was like, okay, I get why, like she was so mad, you know what I mean? Or something or like why they're beefing. Like I get it, you know, but not really that much. I go to Republic all the time to get drinks, right? So this needs to, everybody's like happy family when I get there. So you're the one making TJ's drift hard. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Her or my. Oh my God. For sure. As is my right. And I don't take him. Like, he's not going to be. It's like, I'll get you back later. Exactly. I was like, I'll get you. Perfect. Well, congrats on season four. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And have fun with the wieners. Yes. Trust me. We do. Thanks everyone for watching. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool.