Oscar Nominations, ‘Sentimental Value’ Is Sensational, and Screenwriting in the Double-Screen Era. Plus, ‘The Pitt’ S2E3.

I need support staff to clear the room. Stand up and walk now! Hello and welcome to the watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at theringer.com and joining me in the studio, he has sentimental trade value. It's Andy Greenwald! That's really good. I feel like that's back in my Grantland bag. That is so good. I would have called an entire blog post that and 17 people would have read it. Yeah, but those 17 people would have all gone into form blogs. It would have been like 12 and underground. It would have been underground and Nico Harrison. Come on! We still could do this! Come on! My God! Oh my God! Man! Got sports, pop culture. Should we start like a place on the internet where we can publish these opinions? Andy, it's great to see you today on the pod, Oscar nominations, reactions. A reaction to some stuff Matt Damon said on Joe Rogan pod. Not that. It's not that. No. He answered interesting thoughts on screenwriting in the era of Netflix that I wanted to bounce off my resident screenwriter. What better place to share those thoughts about that? We will do pit episode three, season two. We are going to talk about sentimental value. Drops of G. Yeah, I didn't watch, but you can do your show and tell. Let me just do a little housekeeping. All right. Usually you can write us at thewatchatspotify.com. You can follow us on Instagram, the watch pod underscore, Kai doing great work, making sure Andy is seen in the best possible light. Oh, you're allowed to talk about it. I've been muscled. I just want you constantly referencing it. You know what I mean? I want you to be free. I'm fine. Okay. Just for the record, I didn't say Kathy Kennedy did a good job. Well, I mean history will tell us what I said. No, what would I say if she did? If you can watch us on YouTube, wringer-tv, you can watch us on Spotify, where I hope you were listening to us. And then I just want to mention, next week, next Friday, Yassie and I, in Boston, at the Sinclair, 8 p.m. We're doing a live podcast with Pat Flynn from Fiddlehead, and there's still some tickets available. So, cop those. And then Yassie and I, the next night at the Coolidge Corner Theatre doing a special presentation of repo man at the Coolidge, which is one of my favorite movie theaters in the country. So, please come out. Yeah, tickets are still available. I think some, by the time you'll be listening to this, so try, try and make it out, try and say what up. It's going to be cold. Can I ask you a question? Just for like setting the mood for what you'd prefer in Boston? Sure. Do you want the, do you want the paths headed to the Super Bowl? Or do you want that off the, off the docket for the region? I feel like the, I want the crossover is of people who care about the paths. Yeah. And people who are coming to see repo man at like 9.30 p.m. on a Saturday night. So, you're saying like, is there a Boston sports guy or gal? Yeah, but I don't like movies. I know, like repo man. I just feel like there's an archetype here for someone from that region who likes both. It's true. I think it's possible. It's you've been up there at times when the paths have been good and times when they've been bad. So, I didn't know if you like, as a vibe merchant. I'm sure. I remember what they were when I was, I think there was still, it was pre-brainy when I was up there. So, I was never up there when they were good. No, we were up there in the parcels there. Yeah. They got good in Oh one. I was in New York. Yeah. You were in those New York raging about the tuck rule. Sorry, sorry to blow your cover. You've kept that quiet around. That's right. The offices for a logger. How are you? How are you doing? I have my announcements where your announcements. No, I'm just sorry. My head's not fully in the game. So, I just had a long conversation about how I can assist my aging father in renewing his subscription to gramophone. I didn't add a gramophone. Oh yeah. This is beautiful. No wonder you like sentimental value. I know. A gramophone for those people who don't realize, at least in my knowledge of it from 30 years ago, is like a brick. Yeah. Not in the string or bell sense, but like this thick book. That's basically like, push the dees. No. But it's basically like, isn't it like capsule reviews of like the Dutch film on it? Yeah, it's like the Paris review for classical CDs. And my dad used to, it was like my dad's most beloved periodical. I'm going to show it up. Yeah. No, my dad was like baseball America. That was his other big period ago. Yeah. You got to keep your eye on some of those guys because you want to know who the Dodgers are going to sign any years. You got to track the moves. You got to see the whole game. I actually have some watch after dark slash sports center stuff for you at the end. Yeah. I actually wondered. Maybe this is fuckers. You want to talk hot stove? How we're actually going to, your unit's ag and say we're going to be good. I didn't say that. Okay. Okay, I appreciate that. I do think there is value. And again, I don't want to step on Sheel's corner, but like, could we do a daily OC hunt? We do a podcast called the OC. And it's not about the kid from Chino in the pool house. It's about how we're going to, how the Eagles are inevitably going to have to hire a kid from Chino to be there. Because that's the last guy available who doesn't have a job. That's what I really want to part with. I would like to figure out a way to like upstream it to the ringer's Philly's special feed. Okay. I just want to go on the record is saying I am now all in on Declan Doyle. I told you we would have sports center at the end of the podcast. Okay. Do you know why? I'm going to forget to say this because I'm old. Uh-huh. I just regret my phone all day. So now this, this is, I've kind of noticed this about you. Where you're like, I'm worried that I'm going to forget later. So at the expense of like normal conversation, I'm just going to play my take up front wherever when it hits your head. Bill said this is the best part of the pod. Bill? I thought you were going to like, Bill also just says whatever comes into his brain. I didn't. I'm a big fan. Um, the, I just wanted to say that Declan Doyle, the current offensive coordinator of the affairs is the same age as our friendship. Yeah, but Declan Doyle. That's why I want to bring it up. Fine. We can do this now. Declan Doyle. We have to do it now. I just thought that would be something like Declan Doyle. Declan Doyle does it the bears. He says Mr. Johnson, would you like three shots of espresso or two? If he only wants to, that's a problem. That's the third coffee run of the day I imagine. Mr. Johnson, would you like shirts on or off? A little, you know, people who have been listening to this podcast for the last couple of weeks, probably have noticed, um, they were sundowning what? That green wall is just on a tear with film with cinema. I'm trying to catch up. And he's catching up. And I would say I doubted you and I now I don't doubt you anymore. You're every, every other couple of days are like, watch this, watch that. Do you feel like by the time in a month, uh, when these Oscars happen? Mm hmm. You will have seen the 10 BP's. Well, we've discussed my relationship to Hamlet. Uh, but yeah, I'll give you that Mulligan. I'm actually feeling fairly confident, especially because, you know, F1, which I still haven't seen, I thought that was being pushed down the docket because I'm like, well, that's, that's one for me. That's not one. Yeah. Now it's, it's professional obligation. It is I have to watch this. I was hoping F1 would come back into like I max. Yes. I don't want to watch it at home. Yeah. Um, I do feel pretty confident about my ability to get in front of all these nominees. And I feel semi confident, um, echoing a bunch of people who I like, trust and respect and that what if this is a, this was a good year for movies. It was a good year for movies. And it's an exciting Oscars. Sinners got 16 nominations. It broke the record, I believe. Uh, one battle got 11. The best picture nominees are as follows. One battle after another. Sinners, Hamlet, F1, Marty Supreme, Bagonia. Frankenstein train dreams, secret agent and sentimental value, uh, which I think people are surprised that it was just an accident or no other choice. Uh, didn't make it into that list somewhere. F1 kind of, that's pretty cool. Vroom, vroomed into it off the back of the PGA nominations. I believe you should really listen to Sean and Amanda. They've been tracking this stuff from just saw them. They've been podcasting all day today. Yeah. Yeah. They look great. Well, they, they have a tendency to do that. I, I was really happy to finally be able to connect to Sean, be like, Sean, sentimental value is like the, the and or of movies. Do you want to explain that? For people who are not on X.com. The everything app, they've given up just that it was very sweet. Sean is very, very committed to that social media platform. Yeah. And said that, you know, he, he caught up on and or season two and he was like, this is better than most movies. And then it went viral. It went viral so that when I did my Eagles OC checks, I started bringing it back again. That's I do get most of my news. Well, first I scan Facebook, you know, and then Facebook market. I really want to do your meeting and then and then I did look on. You wake up to make yourself a nice cup of espresso, right? What? Nope, but go on. What would you do? I send Declan Doyle after the corner store, give me a pack of six. And if I can sell, see us. Yeah. And think of some ways to get done to Devon De Smith in space. And then I go to my Facebook groups just to see what kind of action there is. How often are you checking Facebook? Facebook is like a last resort thing. Like Facebook is a I have looked at things that are giving me value or entertainment. Which it would be, give me an example of something like on the internet that does that. Do you remember Peach? It was a fun, fun app. It was dope. I feel like I got on a plane. And it was like, there was a group text with like you and Sean and I feel like Amanda was involved in Zach. And it was like, you'll sign up for this. And I was like, I don't know if I'm falling for it again. Okay, signed up. Got on the plane. Got off and you were like, yo, that's over. No, I was I was the Lord of Peach. I was so good at peach. I really was like all of my shit on peach was like, what were you dropping on peach? It was like gifts. It was basically like a meme generator, wasn't it? I didn't even engage. I'm in a case. It was a peach was great. We got to go back. Peach Vine. All those all those like that era of social media was my favorite. No, like I will wake up. I will look at my feel good app, the New York Times, which had a great profile of our buddy, Jason Menzoukis today. That was really good. Then I will look at Instagram, which is mostly like painters and ramen shops and fascism. And then I will look at you are truly one of one. I will look at my James D'Metrie Reels because he's doing a great run of the best breakfasts in the world. Big rewatchables fan, right? Big rewatchables fan, great content always. Then I will do my deep dive of 11 newspapers related to the Philadelphia sports. Good. Then later in the day, if I have worked to do, which I've had a lot of these past few weeks, that's really prime Facebook time. Yeah. But I've never learned out of anything else to look at. That's when I'll do that. That's when you start screenshoting Facebook tapes. Yeah. That into me. Why did we get off on this? Sean and or x.com. Right. I was actually in Sean should come on to talk about and or I would love that. Can I go on and talk about sentimental value? We can talk about something. You can do whatever you want. You're the one who has a pay for play situation. I was hard to keep you tough except for fully special. Did anything jump out of you? Well, I mean, mainly the number one was this was a very high quality year across the board. I again, we are not Sean and Amanda. I've not been tracking this. I'm sure there are snubs that even maybe you've noticed on a cursory pass or two. But I was looking at this feeling very good about basically every category. And my main takeaway though, which we alluded to the other day, was sentimental value is in my mind a total masterpiece. Okay. I do want to let's talk about sentimental value out of this conversation. We can save the pit for later. Well, the segue is I was thrilled how many nominations I got. I think it is. It's really, it was just really, really exciting to me to see that we're not a Ryan's big god nominate for best actress and Stone's car scarred. Maybe is the favorite for supporting actor. Got nominated for Joachim Trier. Got nominated for best director. This isn't like a I don't get the sense that this is like a this is the 10th that of 10 nominations. Do you go to Joachim? I go Yoke him. How do you think it's Yoke him? Hmm. I you know, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's Joaquin Phoenix unrelated. Yeah. But he's American. He's American. Yeah. Yeah. When do you get to the J's over there? I guess, yeah, you get fjord. Yeah, I think it's Yoke him. Yoke him? Yoke him. Yeah. Yoke him. Yoke. All right. I'll go with Yoke him Trier. Regardless, it's his winter spring and summer. Did you you watch the movie? I did. Yeah. You've been a big Trier guy for me. Yeah. Reprise and Oslo were our big ones for me. Oslo especially. Is he a really huge movie for me? And I liked Sworse Person in the World a fair amount. And I thought this was lovely. I mean, I thought there were moments of like, there were flourishes and sentimental value that I thought didn't quite land for me. Like some of the almost West Andersonian like the history of the house. Yeah. I mean, the house thing was hit me pretty hard. But like, I think that some of the flashbacks and some of the, I mean, I guess do you want to get into kind of like, spoiling sentimental value here? I don't know if you can. But yeah. I mean, there's moments that I thought, you know, like people have compared it to like, Berman's persona and, you know, some other, like, I know that he drew from Olivia Seyes and stuff like that. And like, it's a wonderful movie. You know, and I just actually, you know, the thing I wanted to talk to you about with it was about how when you've watched like, I mean, for lack of a better term, a bunch of like American blockbuster engineered stuff, it's, it actually now, I think I've watched so much of the, of that that when I watched something that is a two hour and 15 minute study of a family coming to terms with like old wounds. Yeah. I'm like, oh yeah, like that's, that's real life. And I have to like, reset my brain that there's not like a transactional thing happening or a, like, an end point to this or something. Like, you know, yeah, I watched this and I was like, oh my god, I have to get out of this country. That is, I got to talk to you about. They, they, I know, his version of Oslo, I'm just like, it's always summer. Why is everybody beautiful? It's always summer. And we had a good time in the way. No, I know. I, I think like, I loved Marty Supreme and I loved one battle after another. And I'm not trying to play a one's better than the other game. But there is something and maybe in a different mindset or in a different geopolitical era, we could take pride in the specificity of tone and expansional expansionist Americanisms that these movies still represent, even though they are, you know, thoughtful. And I, I mean, I don't want to politicize them, but I don't think that these are exactly like right wing movies. But like they are still imperialists, I would say, in their volume setting and in their ambition. Sure. And I loved the experience of watching both those movies in the theater. And then I watched this and I was like alive. Like to see a movie that is about people, the fullness of people. There's a great profile of Trier in the New Yorker from a few months ago that just talks about. It talks about his filmmaking in a way that I kind of overlook because I'm just vibing with it, about how interested he is in faces and how close he gets in his cinematographer gets and his super emo cinematographer, who has to have a special heat shield so that his tears don't affect the lens apparently. Yes. Um, it woke me up and like, I'm going to be generous. This morning, a trailer dropped for the He-Man Masters of the Universe. Yes. And I watched it and I was like, basically going to be like, you fucking dorks. Like I was going to do the William Shatner SNL monologue about this. Yeah. And then I was like, well, there probably are a subsection of people, maybe in our age cohort, who are responding to this movie with the same electricity that I felt- Is it a movie or is it a series to movie? Okay. That I felt jolt through my body as soon as sentimental value began. Like there wasn't a single moment in watching this movie that I wasn't riveted and thrilled and delighted and laughing. Like it's funny, it's human, it's emotional and it's just a great film. And it's like, to your point, he is the distillation of a lot of classic filmmakers that I love, whether it's Bergman or Ozu or Sias, like Summer Hours Family Vibes. I mean, it is a healthy, I think, descendant of Woody Allen in the sense that Stone Scarsgard and Elfanning are not a couple in the film, which is really good. I love movies like this and I think he is a low-key master of something that I wish that is very hard to do. Yeah, it's funny. It's like he's, I found those first two films to be so comfortably dark for me. Like I've been thinking a lot about this in terms of like the ending of films like Marty Spream, One Battle After Another. And whether or not, you know, and Sean's talked to those filmmakers and I think I understand where they are in their personal lives and why they made the movies that they made and why those films specifically end the way they do. Which is on, I think, without spoiling anything, a moment of hopefulness or a note of perhaps better days are to come. And I guess I feel like that happens in sentimental value. You know, I mean, there's some ambiguity to the end of the film, but there's, I think, ultimately, like a kind of meeting of meeting at the sort of midway point of between these two characters and a note of communication. And I kind of, I kind of long for a movie to be like, that's not how it works. Well, you have, I think, home did on something important, which is this is a trilogy of girl, dead films for the ages. And Trier has said that this is the first movie he has made since becoming the father to two daughters. And this is a beautiful movie about sisters and that relationship. So I'm locked in, obviously. But I think that you're onto something that is very intentional. And I'm there for it. Someone who has to find a shred of hope every day. Yeah. Which is why I, you know, I frequent Facebook. So I could not recommend that movie more highly. Oh, I also want to say, I didn't even report on this to you. As part of my decades-long campaign of quiet support for Roseburn, for the shoes nominated, I did. What's support? Some people are noisy. I've been there. Yeah. I've done, you know, I watch physical. You know, we didn't even talk about it always, but I watched it. Yeah. I did give, if I had legs I'd kick you a spin. Did you? Yeah. You gotta get a letter box. I'm behind on what you're up on. Yes, that's a tough one. Yeah. It's a, it's real tough. Not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's a real tough watch. She's amazing. And I'm thrilled for her nomination. Very deserving of a nomination. Would you like to do a similar statement of public support for Kate Hudson in Song-Song Blue? You know, it's on my to-do list is both to see that film and then to vocally support her. I noticed with interest that there are, there's this like very fascinating matrix that I don't quite understand that I think Sean and Amanda are very keyed into about what's getting supported within guilds or within the town or within, you know, because you have to understand, like when you read those anonymous Oscar ballots, I think some of them are a little bit like their outliers. Like it's like almost like the harvest the most extreme. Yeah, almost just like is this person? I'm sure that they're real, but it seems like somehow they find the five people who are like, I lost my password. So I'm voting for F1, you know? Luckily, I still have my subscription to gramophone. Yeah, but I did notice that like, Song-Song Blue had been presented as like the feel good movie of the year or whatever or actually more just like kind of like a jukebox musical of Neil Diamond Song sung by these two people. And I apparently it's much darker, you know, than that. And I think that they have now kind of like, at least on billboards and in some of the press I've read, gotten on top of that narrative of like, it's actually like a searing, you know, dramedy and a return to form for Kate Hudson, you know? So I knew that that movie seemed to have some momentum and it's always interesting when you see like, who's hosting guild screenings, you know what I mean? And like, like, I think Frankenstein's a good example of a movie that I don't believe had a ton of critical adoration, but seems to be almost university, and universally beloved within the industry. Sort of like the Denver Broncos this year. Like we keep thinking it's their fraudulent, but they keep winning. I would almost say that the Broncos are like more of like, a media darling. So the reverse. Yeah, like I think because Sean Payton does a lot of work of like working on his reputation with him. Yeah, Grantland podcast so badly today. I'm really digging it. We should do best picture nominations as NFL teams. Great. Who are the birds? Name the three that didn't get nominated. Sorry, I didn't. Yeah, part Jail, who is the biggest parks, no other choice. No, I think it was just an accident is Kevin Petoula's first line and a lot of his upcoming interviews to be that. What are wrong? Yeah. Okay, I think that's interesting. I have to say that I definitely didn't get the feel good vibes from Song-Song Blue because one experience. I don't have many theatrical experiences. If you saw the trailer, it makes it seem like these two people just like become superstars. No, I feel like I saw a different trailer because the one theatrical experience that I have that maybe I share that you don't. That maybe I share with Paul Thomas Anderson, Josh Safdie, and Joachim Trier is that when I go to these matinees of like Zootopia 2, the only trailers that they can show for kids are kids' movies and an unending fountain of movies mostly starting Zachary Levy about like a guy who is in a Christian rock band and then fell in hard times and the band gets back together to save the quadriplegic son of one of the like the bassist. And that's the vibe of Song-Song Blue. Kevin Padoo's story right there. Truly. I thought it was one of those movies. You know, it's just like a little bit. I think it has that vibe from what I understand. So, all right. Well, Ethan Hawke nominated. Yeah, I was cool. You know, you bring up Ethan Hawke who got nominated for Blue Moon. He is a fucking extraordinary in that movie. You've seen it. Oh my god, yeah, Blue Moon. Yeah, I wanna see it. My boy Rick just doubled barrel this year. After hit. I know. New Velvaga's great and Blue Moon is you will love Blue Moon. Yeah, I know. My dad had a gramophone subscription. Like this is clearly a movie I can get by my favorite Oscar category. He's always best original screenplay. Okay. I always really enjoy like both how they divvy up like obviously I think a Nora one last year. So it was like kind of like a Sean Baker sweep. Oh, but usually you're right. Usually screenplay is for the real bass. Here's Pulp Fiction. You know what I mean? You get this or best original screenplay. So best original screenplay is your is goes to Blue Moon. It was just an accident. Marty Supreme, sentimental value and sinners. Yep. And I don't know what would be the like. Here's a tip of the cap to this. I don't know. I wonder if Blue Moon. I think my sense is you think sinners wins this and then one battle wins. I think sentimental value wins this. And then I think Googler and PTA or an obnox out fight for the other two categories. I see. That's my that's my guess. The other thing just to mention one battle after another is in adapted because it was inspired by Thomas Pinchons. Apparently that is how you say it. I don't I stand with you. No, I just I was just shocked. I mean, I guess I have not yet worked up the courage to go into a bookstore and say, pardon me sir. Do you have the new novel from Thomas Pinchon? I feel like of all the places you could try that out. I could skylight. It would be the safest room for you. No, he worried about it. That they would just be like, you mean Thomas Pinchon? Yeah, but then you could be like, aha sir, let me show you some internet comments. Hold on, I'm going to post a clip. Scroll through this. I also think no, these are just an Instagram reel of Brian Dawkins' biggest tackles ever. Let me make a really relatable analogy here if you don't mind. I think it's okay to just roll with the popularly adopted pronunciation of things. Like in America, we say Adidas. Yeah. If you leave this country, something I'm clearly whole-bregging, but the name man's name was Adidas. And they also the birds say Nike. They still say Nike. Don't. A lot of them do. Which ones? Name names. James D'Aumutri come on here and say the names of sneaker companies challenge. I dare you. All right, the only other thing is this a snub, like sinners cleaned up and I thought Miles Caden who's the kid in the movie supporting actor. Yeah. He was very good and I was surprised that he wasn't nominated. I was surprised that he wasn't nominated as well. Paul Mezkel did not get nominated for Hamnet. Chase Infinity did not get nominated for one battle after another. That's a tricky one though because she. I think is that the Elfanning? Is that, is that, is that, is that, no, she, Chase Infinity submitted as lead. I did not know that. That was a big, that, that's the kind of thing that like gets a headline six months ago that that's what she would be angling for and maybe some of the thinking was Tiana Taylor had supporting in the back. Oh yeah. So they didn't want to compete against each other directly. But she did go for best actress. So in a way, Kate Hudson and Rose Byrne stole that. So that's a lot. G.U., I'm not going to hold you to it. We have a month to consider. Do you have a head heart best picture pic here? Like what you would want to. I think what that all after another is, is probably both. I think one battle and after another certainly has, I wonder whether the precursor events, like Sean and Man have talked about, talked about a little bit. A lot of the like, I don't know whether or not the Oscars are going to hugely differentiate from the way things have been going so far. In, with the words, yeah. Yeah. Typically, what would happen, I think because the, the voting base has become so diversified internationally. And you know, like they've done a huge effort, made a huge effort to make it a more of an international voting block. Typically, like I think that would indicate that maybe something like sentimental value. But like, it almost surprised, I wonder whether or not the absence of, it was just an accident and no other choice. And best picture suggests like a course correction or some sort of like, I don't know, that was interesting to me. Can I give you, I have no skin in this game. I do not, I'm not involved in a popular film podcast. So can I just, I'm going to give you my day of nominations. I'm going to give you my predictions. And if I win, you can start hosting the big picture. You'll watch a me as talking movie. Okay. Best adapted, I think it's going to be one battle for best adapted. I think it's going to be sentimental, sentimental value for screenplay. I think Tiana Taylor, I think Stone Scars guard, Jesse Buckley, Shalame, director, PTA, picture, sinners. So sinners winning best picture with no other awards. I wonder what the precedent would be for me. No, I think it'll, oh yeah, what other words would it win? Well, I mean, it's up for 16. I think there's a lot of technical awards. And I think, I think, I think, I, I actually, I wonder if sinners, like, I can't remember the last time a best picture also got no other. Yeah, I think, you know what, director and picture usually are in tandem. So I actually, I'm going to revise. I'm going to go on the record as Google. I think PTA gets writing. So you end as one battle after another win best picture. You think sinners wins best director and best picture. I think so. Interesting. I do not agree with this. I will go on the record with that as well. But I think that's my prediction. Okay. I think that because again, I'm not, I'm not in the guilds. Actually, I am in one of the guilds, but I'm not like following the trends of the guilds. But you don't vote. Do you vote in the writer's guild awards? For the writer's guild awards, yeah, I can vote. Do you? I can't comment on that. Okay. Because they don't let you comment. No, I'm just deep in the polymarket for it as well. So I don't want to like tip anything. I was going to make a joke about how why would they have polymarket for the writer's guild awards. But they really do have polymarket for it. I think for like the number of times I mentioned effingers on this podcast and we just hit the over. Big win for me. I would say that these, these voting blocks are not monoliths and they aren't, they don't necessarily vote with a personality or a point of view or an agenda. That said, I think the opportunity to crown sinners is tough to pass up because it is original IP from a young filmmaker and it sort of takes the box of, this is a popular movie. This movie did very well to box office. It is also critically adored and you certainly can't argue with the technical genius of the film. So I have, I feel like there and with the number of nominations today, I just feel like momentum is trending in that. Interesting. A lot to listen to Sean and Manas, you know what their take is. I would listen to my take, go and then actually listen to the experts. That's what I just did. That was interesting. What do you accrusted? Tolerate me? And not Tolerate. I brought up the screen plan on. Screen writing has been on my mind this week. Probably because I don't have to do any. You get done screen writing and you're like the last thing I want to talk about or do is write for screen. But Matt Damon and Ben Affleck have been on the promotor for the rip. Have you seen it yet? I did. I loved it. I did the big picture on it. I loved it. Loved. I liked it a lot. I thought it was it was quite entertaining. I'm very excited. It looks like our producer, Kaya, not as big of a fan. Kaya, you didn't like it. I liked it. They're not going to get mad at you. Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. No, I liked it. I just thought some of the dialogue was corny and I would thought I said to Chris before we started recording. It really showed me the power of directing because I thought Tiana Taylor, who was quite good in one battle after another and quite bad in this movie. Yeah, interesting. I thought maybe you were worried it was a sequel to RIPD. No, I did not worry about that. I think that one's been buried. Or maybe there's, it would be funny if in the Blake Lively, Taylor Swift text, Trove, there was like, Ryan's hard at work on ripped to. Did that? I got to get it in while Jeff Bridges is still in us. Did that leak? Give you any pause about the free flowing exchange of ideas that we have with Zachary and me to post. I do not want to be deposed about anything. No. No foias for you. It's not even like that. I'm not ashamed about it. I just would just to see text messages in that context. The other thing that was shocking to me, if we're really talking about it, is when Blake Lively is like, hey, so this is like, if you haven't been following along with this, this is the sort of lawsuits they've been going back and forth between Blake Lively and Justin Bell Doney over the ends with us movie and the debacle that came out of that, although it was quite successful. They've now somehow, for whatever reason, it's been like, we need to turn over all of your text messages. I don't, this is like a part of the American legal system where I'm like, really? Can't imagine that ever coming back. It's weird is that they got to January 6th texts, but they're like, never mind. Yeah, you can just be president. Yes, I'm glad you've reached this point. Are you doing sober, like Jack Smith, consideration of these issues until just today? No, I just break your silence. I'm just saying. So Blake Lively had sort of brought Taylor Swift into this whole process because there was going to be Taylor Swift's music in the movie and their pals. And their pals. So at one point, they're going back and forth, but Blake Lively is like, Matt and Justin Bell Doney and his sort of like employed Taylor Swift to be on her side and took kind of like, do this and do that and have a meeting with him and tell him he's nothing and whatever. Then months pass or whatever and things have been going poorly for Blake Lively and Taylor Swift. We're just off. And Blake Lively's like, hey, love you. Seems like you're like maybe mad at me, but maybe that's just in my head. And like Taylor Swift's like, no, it's not in your head. I was like, oh, shit, I would hate that. If someone was like, if someone broke the social contract and told the truth. No, only Taylor Swift. Yeah, that's a thing. Is that like that decision where it's just like, I think, I don't think guys really do this very much where it's like, hey, is that something wrong? And they're like, yeah, you. You know? I don't, I mean, generally like our texts are, we're really going to interview Jim Bob Cooter. And that's not like, like, that's not like a metaphor. It's not code for no, that's like a shoot arrow. No, that's actually a football coach's name. That's true. We're kind of surfacing that. Like, Kyle, do you want to weigh in on this? Were you surprised that when Blake Lively was like, hey, something wrong, Taylor was like, yeah, there is something wrong. You sound weird. You're weird. I mean, I got to respect it because like, I come, I'm a non-confrontational person. Yeah, me too. Also, Taylor Swift says she's never been to therapy. But she speaks like someone who's done a lot of therapy. Well, I feel like now because of the over-therapization of like a lot of like movies and TV shows and everything, it's like you can kind of like talk in that talk. Yeah. Without actually doing the work. Yeah, that's like that's my plan. She's like, I don't have to go therapy. I saw a set of mental value. Oh, yeah. You're not wrong. I guess I respect the directness. I feel that there is something, there's something vulnerable here, but also kind of affirming that all of these people who work so hard and pay so many people to create their public-facing personas, really just are who they are. Like Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds texts like Deadpool. Like did you see the text he sent calling Hoover? He was like, I'm sorry, I couldn't speak to you at the party. I was so deep inside the mouth of that marketing exec. I'm still trapped here, help get me out. He's like, you and B created something so powerful and beautiful. You can dial it down, but you know, it's fine. Yeah. I also say this is someone who would never ever want to be exposed in this way. And yet there is a part of me that does think that of all the body of work, the great body of work that I've left in the public domain these last 25 years, I do think the very best of it is like a one-off text to Tim Simons where I send the right gift at 4pm. You know what I mean? Or if I just come in hot or- That's like- That's your legacy. Yeah, so I do- Well, it's a shame. It's like, I wish people used to leave their letters to universities. Yes. Yes. It would be great if you had a terminal illness and you were just like went up to the- University of Phoenix donation. You went back to Brown, you went up to the library and you were like, here you go. Escape the iPhone. It's like, I turned face ID off. It's unlocked. It's all yours. I'm like, this guy really cared about the offensive schemes. This guy fucking loved pints. This guy loves visited Facebook a lot. All right, all this was because of Matt Damon's comments. Yeah, I just wanted to bring this up because I thought, Damon and Affleck have done- This is one of those like, I think they've gotten more press for their press store than for the movie kind of thing. Yeah. They are more famous than this movie is. They were on Rogan and Damon started talking a little bit about the notes process and the kind of desires of Netflix when it comes to what they're looking for or with their film and television. And he said that things had changed that back in the day when they would make action movies, you would basically do a big set piece. You do a set piece per act in a sending order of scale. Crazyness. Crazyness, intention and consequences. And he's like, now they want you to have something grabby in the first opening moments of a movie so that people don't click out of it. Yes. Which is something I don't really do. I don't really like, I personally am certainly not watching a movie and be like, well, nothing as grabby has happened yet. And it's like, I'm fine watching the credits in 10 minutes or 20 minutes of set-up. You're a old school. I am old school. I am. But so he was like, now we're kind of inverting it where something huge has to happen in the first minutes or their convinced people are going to click out of it. And then furthermore, and this is something that he articulated what I felt about the last season of Stranger Things that I just couldn't put my finger on, which is the consistent like reiteration of plot and reiteration of what the sort of stakes are and the set-up and like narrating what is pretty obvious on screen and sort of being like, we have to go over there and then they go over there. It's like, well, you could just show me them walking over there and I would pre-able to piece that together. But at least Grinning a Dam and this is like the idea that people are constantly looking at their phones while they're watching these movies and shows, then that they might forget. And I have to admit that when I watch either, say, Pluribus or sentimental value and either there's not dialogue or there's no dialogue in a language that I know, I am like, oh, fuck, I actually can't look at the athletic to see if we've hired an OC because I'll miss the entire point of the scene. Anyway, I just was wondering whether or not I guess not explicitly have you ever gotten notes that suggest as much, not from Netflix per se because I don't think it's exclusively Netflix. I think when I see other shows that I've ever worked in Netflix. But have you noticed a post streaming and perhaps to put it at a point, I think I would identify this as a post-COVID thing because I do think that people have kind of developed and now debilitating the need to have their phone in their hand all the time, probably because we had it in our hands a lot during lockdown and stuff like that. Have you noticed that there is a change in the way that you're being asterite screams scripts? Or how you write scripts anyway just because you're seeing so much of this? This is why we've made fun of it without ever really saying why it exists, but why the number one most annoying trend in pilots, especially over the last three years, is start with something incredibly exciting and then say five months earlier. Yes, let's go back to the more natural starting point for the story that's not as interesting. We have created a generation of helicopter executives who do their job the way parents behave on the playgrounds of Highland Park. The children cannot be left out of your site for one second unless they do something dangerous or in the case of the executives, less the audience. Less they get hired to be the O.C. of the Eagles. I think we should start young and raise them right. It's the Prince who has promised to be just this young boy. It's like higher egg is our new offensive coordinate. There's like a matrix. There's like bending spoons. It's Jeff D's getting guys open for each enders game. But it's the Cowboys in November. I hope people are enjoying this. These are really good ideas. They're free. Yeah, so because we keep distracting ourselves, we're digressing on this podcast, talking about Reel's and other things and that is the experience of audiences. I will say that I've not come up against the restatement of plot. But the absolute shorefire note, particularly from streaming services. I guess everyone is streaming service these days, but particularly when you are developing for a Netflix or an Amazon that comes from the tech world, they are hyper, hyper focused on the first three minutes more than anything else. That they have very, very concrete evidence that there is a time, there's a window, a clock starts when someone presses play where they either are going to commit or they are not going to commit and that those have to be the stickiest moments possible. And I think that's interesting from the perspective of people who've been making movies for a while, how that has just upended or rearranged in a more charitable way, just recalibrated what a movie is and how it is supposed to feel. That it's not ascending, that it's actually in some ways descending for the first moment and settling in. Now look, there are plenty of examples, heat opens with an action scene. You know what I mean? Like there are plenty of things that movies and television shows that open with something big. But I think you can see it to your point, a show like Black Rabbit, which I did actually like quite a bit. But has some of that like, why is this show opening with what should be the highlight of the first couple of episodes, which is building up to this robbery. You know what I mean? Instead, we're going to go backwards now knowing that this is going to go wrong for these two guys. But what we're not exactly sure who all the players are. Now, and I don't know whether that was a note or whether that was them saying like, we can't just open this and have an hour of these guys trying to set a restaurant up. It's not just that. It's that like the analogy that I would use that is hyper specific to me. And again, the other girl dads who made films this year is when I'm making the kids lunches and I open the drawer to find containers to put aspects of their lunch in and I have all the wrong sizes. So like I have like a small thing made for like a side of sauce and I'm trying to put like if I can take out chicken satay in there with the stick coming out of it, that was just this morning. But the point being Black Rabbit has to exist in an ecosystem where the sizes are all wrong. I think that the filmmakers were rightfully, I mean, they cared about the action sequence and the crescendo of their story for sure. But what they also were excited about was a story of mismatched brothers coming together and starting a restaurant and the community of people that would be in the restaurant who would become people you would get to know, care about so that when this crescendo happened, you would be invested in it. Then they're trying to cram that in to a Tupperware that is made by Netflix, which means it has to be a certain way at the beginning. And they're trying to do it in an ecosystem where they want that they went for. I don't know if they wanted, but they ended up with Jason Bayman and Jude Law, stars who are not committing to five years of slow-bill. So the whole thing ends up being slightly mischraping from maybe what they originally thought. And to our critical eyes was like, oh, that's not, that wouldn't have been my preferred way to enter into a story. The fact that you got to a place where you liked the story and you still engage with it is a triumph. Sure. The notes are weird and they are changing our filmmaking experience. And it goes back to what I was saying about sentimental value, which is your mile, your mileage may vary from mine, but the way that movie opened with the voiceover and the house. I love it. I thought it was beautiful. Yeah. Into main characters backstage freak out, which honestly mimicked how I felt before our FYC Atlanta panel eight years ago. I found that so hysterical in all senses and I was so riveted, but that's my version, I guess, of a massive car chase or something. Like I was in on that and 100% that would be noted. Yes. You know, if it was, if and there's a lot of Netflix jokes in that movie. Yeah, it's an interesting experience because, you know, when sentimental value begins, there's three full screens of financier. No cards. And also every country in Europe's film commission. Has kicked in 10. I'm just thinking about this too. And, you know, the movie itself is about Stelearns Garz-Garz character who's a sort of lionized, critically beloved filmmaker who's going to make one last movie. And he initially is going to make it with his daughter played by Renata Runsva. And then he chooses after she rejects him to make it with an American movie star played by L-Fanning. And it's, there's this, there's this kind of like art imitating life, imitating art thing going on in the movie. But I did note with interest that when he gets, you know, L-Fanning to sign onto the movie, Netflix just signs on for use the film. Yeah. When he before that, he's like, we'll scrape together the necessary funds from all of these nation's film boards and do whatever is necessary to do that. Maybe you hire one. I don't know why, like the film society of Ireland kicks in money to like a a yoke and tree or movie. But it's just fascinating. Like what you have to do to patch together funding to make anything if you're not making it for one of these major things. Can I give give away an idea here? I think the way to to bring all of this together in a way that is what creatively satisfying and maybe illuminating to the larger world is for the Safdie brothers or at least one of them. Pick them to make a movie called the the the the financier not about Jeff Epstein. But about the guy whose job it is to go hat in hand to every liberal western democracy and ask for a few, you know, thousand euros or whatever to make a movie. He had Lars Eidinger to play the lead. Sure. I feel like this would be I feel like it would be quite stressful. I can't imagine it. I mean, I also don't know how much longer that will that will be the case, you know. Well, you know, I think it all depends on Greenland. Before we get into the pit. Yeah, sure. Can I just make the small speaking of speaking of small projects that are multilingual with lots of subtitles so you can't look at a second screen. I would like to make the case for drops of God season two. Please do. This is a very, very hyper specific, very charming series that premiered two plus years ago on Apple TV. It is a massive international co-production. The first season is about a essentially a wine comp tasting competition in which a Robert Parker ask but one who is respected around the world, not just America. Like wine expert dies and he leaves his legacy, his guide, his seller to the winner of a competition that is between his daughter, who's a French one played by Fleur as Jeffrey here. Can you just say that name one more time? I believe it's Fleur. And I believe it's Jeffrey here. Okay. I actually did listen to an Instagram beforehand. It was an interview between her and Joachim Trier and I was only listening to what she was saying. What you're now, I always above all else. Yeah. And the second competitor in the wine tasting competition is by the dead legend's disciple who spoiler alert might be more than his disciple who lives in Japan played by Tomahisa Yamashita. That I do. And anyway, it was a really, really entertaining series. And I think there's a bunch of ways into it. It is sort of melodramatic and over the top, but it is also beautifully international on films in France and Japan and all over Europe. And it got renewed. That's, I mean, yeah. And now it's back for season two. And it continues to be very, very escapist and charming this season in the first episode already. They go to Spain, they go to Marseille. The stakes are now to hunt down the origin of a mysterious unlabeled bottle of wine. Do you think that they're really going to those places? Or are they just shooting in Budapest and have Spain? This could be a subplot of the Safdie Brothers, the finest-year movie because a lot like there are a lot of international names in this cast and a lot of like production companies. And I don't quite get how it works, but it works. The only thing that I will say about like, because some people might turn to me and say, how do you find stakes in the show about two people decanting? And I will say that this season introduces, you say, is a new obsession with free diving? Oh, yeah. Which definitely is a lot more dangerous than swirling and sniffing. I was so documentary about that. The other thing that the first episode does, and I loved it. I want to be clear about that, was that there's a moment when you say tastes, he sniffs and he tastes this wine, this mysterious wine. And he has a vision. And the vision is of the fucking sea of tranquility on the moon. And I'm telling you, I was like, are they saying this one's from space? For a moment, I was like, apples notes were so crazy that they were like, can we get some for all mankind? Yeah, mankind works for us. Foundation works for us. Can we spice this up? Can we space this up? I don't think that is probably just his sort of, that was his poetic mind traveling all the way out there. But the fact that even for a second, I was like, oh shit. Yeah, they terraformed Mars. Quatu. Quatu. Quatu was like the minerality of the red soil is so unique. And he sniffing it like all the face inside of him is sniffing it and tasting it. That's not true, but did I make it sound more interesting? I'm interested. I liked the couple of episodes that I watched last year. It just didn't really grab me that much. It is a very gentle watch and I'm happy that it's back. And for people who like it, like you will not be disappointed. It's back. Did you feel like when they finished the first season, it was like, you guys said what you need to say, was there obviously a lot more in this world to explore? I mean, it's based on a longer running manga series. And I think it was quite freely adapted. So I don't actually know how close to any original text it is. I think that the genius of it is, yes, they seem to have found a second quest worthy of the first, which I think would be a challenging assignment for writers room. But more than that, the show just has a very, very pleasant, international cooperation vibe, which is a little bit out of step with the times. And it does have a seriousness and specificity when it comes to wine and wine making. And like there's a whole digression in this episode about how they are like defending this vineyard against climate change in ways that are non- What's climate change? Exactly. Exactly. One thing I'm realizing as my kids get older is I can't, I'm not on a podcast with them. So like my younger daughter was like, we watched a film in science class today. I was like, oh, that's interesting. What was it about? And she goes, climate change. And I said, well, that's a myth. And she's like, what do you mean? And I was like, okay, don't tell me. I'm going to walk that back. Did you also, what was the nicotine thing? Oh, yeah. My older daughter was in science class. They were talking about the addictive effects of nicotine and how they were like, they're really easy to get. Not true. And they're really easy to get. But like, it's kind of gross. And I was like, well, if you ever want to talk to Uncle Chris, I'm sure he could come in and address your class. I was like, he isn't smoked. You know, you used to have a cigarette smoking habit. I did. You haven't had that habit in quite some time. But nicotine still plays a role. I will tell you that the cigarette that Stellen Scars guard and Renata Rhymes was shared, I was like, I got to get back to one. I got to be able to get a chip or like Melco and Vlad will. Well, you know, the thing is, is when you take a long time off and you hit that one, it's like, well, you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't, I like the feeling of it being part of my bloodstream. You know what I mean? It's not like a, every, it's like, I like nicotine. I don't know if I really want to go back to smoking cigarettes, even though they, they are my best friend. I think you just answered that question. This is the most emotional I've ever seen you pee on this bucket. Well, I'm also coming off a week of watching Zodiac three times and like the Smoking and Zodiac definitely makes you kind of want to eat an entire pack. Should we comment on my erasure from the Zodiac Rewatchable's history or should we say that? It's not the first time we've redone a podcast though. I think it's the first one that I've been etched out of his story. Yeah, it's tough. Well, it's tough. The game changes for your breakdown. You know what I mean? It's, it's not bad. It's just that the Declan Doils are on my heels. It's just me about Bill and Sean. I think the previous one was me, you and Sean. Yeah, and weren't you like, this is pretty good movie. It was early in the run of Rewatchable. Yeah, so you weren't sure that you were supposed to be, you know, full-froated in my case. Yeah, exactly. Let's talk a little bit about the pit. I didn't intentionally say, let's put the pit an hour into this podcast, but I will say a very good episode of the pit that I don't have a ton of comments on. Was that what you were asking me? Because you, you, it was interesting. You texted me asking if I had watched it yet and I hadn't. And then when I reported that I had, I thought you had a leading question. No, I thought, you know what it was is I was trying to remember when the pit last season went into like, holy shit, overdrive. This is just like every week. I'm like, that was awesome. I enjoyed that a lot. I can go through all of our patients that we've got. Yeah. If you want, you can just sort of like give me some comments. I have comments. I do want to say, I love this episode. There's a very good episode. And I, but I think that what I loved about it may have been. The tree of life stuff. I did love that, but I also just loved the, we could probably just replay our comments from episode three a year ago, but I am so in awe of the maestro level, Lydia Tar-esque conducting that they are doing. Like just in terms of building. That's a good point. Maybe I'm just, I mean, I don't mean, I don't know. You take it for granted because we used to have, we used to have things in this country and we used to have TV like this regularly. And the way that they bring people on and off the field and the way that the stories dovetail and interact, but constantly leave these little pockets of air for the characters to share a look or share a moment. The way that it's coming up with continually creative and, you know, we've grown up with medical dramas our entire life and how many different, how many different styles of problem can you present to us, but finding a different way into the problem, whether it's a couple showing up in one set of circumstances and the set of circumstances then reversing. Or we think that this guy's beating his kid, but it turns out she has an autoimmune disease. To speak to the tree of life survivor, character, woman patient in this episode who turns to Perla and is like, are you Muslim? And you're like, and you have the same tension in your body as when Langdon goes in with the thing to the kid knows the kid who can't sit still. And you're like, is this, which way is this going to go? And you truly don't know. This was the week, this season for me, where I was like, man, I am just, I'm a dornie park and I'm on the river. I am having a great time being caught up in it. Yeah. I mean, we had a tweaker student. We had the security guard who claims to be, who have been, to have been assaulted by the aforementioned student. And did he taste him? Security guard tastes the kids. I think we're going to find out that that guy that that kid has whatever issues going to I wonder if it's not. He's fleeing from drugs. Yes. And so then the security guard, what's his problem? What do he do? Yeah. We have the unhoused gentleman who's been getting washed down. That's a Charles Baker from Breaking Bad. Yep. Skinny Pete. We got Mr. Mrs. Yee who you mentioned who had the kind of the rope a dope where we think Mr. Yee is going to be quadriplegic. Then he's fine. It's just a potassium. But then Mrs. Yee goes down. They got an accident with a motorcyclist. He's dead. He was real dead. And Ravi said that he always wears helmets. That's not true. I know. Unreliable narrator. Michael Nury is walking around the ER greeting people. Really flirting too. The guy from Derek Cecil from House of Cards plays Mr. Williams. He's down bad. He is down bad. But there was like a nice that note of the woman who he it was as ex girlfriend. No, it was ex wife. Ex wife. They broke up because he started losing his temper all the time. It turns out that might be a tumor. And then she got to look back and say, shit, if I could have had if I could have known that. Yeah. What would you have done? You are waiting on that. I feel like a sort of sliding doors moment for you. This is my thing. It's like that was a great scene. I don't know. I don't know what to say. The young girl with bruises has a dad who is a giant asshole, but it turns out the girl is suffering from an autoimmune thing. We get the depiction of the guy as a prick, but perhaps not a child. I think definitively not. Although you never know where the show. The true life thing I thought was handled beautifully. You know, and it is an example of the moments and the space the show is taking in these quiet hours before this code black kicks in that I think is going to be the beginning of the dominoes of the rest of the day of the show of the season. I thought that this was just a lovely character moment. I think they are doing a really good job with Robbie. Perhaps last season with some of the flashbacks and the longing looks at his mentors. Yes. Memorial and it being the anniversary of his death and all this stuff. This season, I feel like they're doing a little bit more show-dote with him. Like you said, writing to work without a helmet, which Noel Wiley has since commented on saying that is important. The interaction with the tree of life survivor, talking about faith, talking about their religion, and not... It is midlife crisis. It's just more interesting TV to make the season about the character's current life pitched forward as opposed to the character in his current life obsessed with the trauma of the past. It is just much more... And much more in keeping with I think the spirit of the pit, which is the show about immediacy and is in real time. So it's just a more interesting characterization for the lead. I noted with interest that this was the episode of the season. I assume there's only one per season due to workload that Noel Wiley is also the credited screenwriter of. And so now we know... That was the Hawaiian prayer episode last year, right? This is the Langdon just has long quotes about fatherhood available to him due to his long time on the bench. I think there's a moment where you could look at that scene and be like, well, this is a little bit declarative. This is a little bit tell-don't-show. It's even bordering on corny. But there is an earnestness that's baked into the show that I don't bump on. And genuinely the vibe that the show creates and harvests like that scene. And that's the scene between the father of the young kid who has beads up his nose and can't sit still, Langdon and the nurse who's... Just had... I'm really struggling with names of the tertiary characters on the show. But he's a new father or about to be a father. And that's been a really... He's a new father. They're doing like, he's just dealing with like the sleep schedule stuff. And speaking of texts we don't send each other, but Taylor Swift does. I was like, I don't know if I've ever had a more satisfying interaction with other men than the 45 seconds they spent taking beads out of that child's nose. Like, these three guys are all gathered together raising this boy, freeing his nose of colorful bobbles. They quote something and then they all look at each other. They get the job done and they fucking fist bump. Why can't it ever be that easy? We have to do 15 years of a podcast just to be honest with each other. You know what I mean? That was so efficient. Yeah. I thought that was lovely. How do you feel about the fact that they have now kind of like zeroed in on like the kind of power radiating off of Catherine Lanassa? And she gets a lot more like kind of kind of ways. And she's in there a lot more. And you know, it's an interesting remix of I think the characters. I think it's good. Again, thinking about the show as if you're just thinking about the execution of like like X's of nose, bringing it back to offensive game planning. It really works for me hour by hour to understand that there is that is a heliocentric show in the sense that she is Dana is at the center and everyone else is orbiting around her and they can touch back and we know what's at the heart of it all. You know, just just geographically having her charisma there works for me. And then you think about the orbit because finally Al Hashimi and Robbie split up and they had a cute little interaction about like seeing other people and going in reverse orbit of each other. Yeah. Which I was glad for because the benefit of the show moving this quickly is you don't have a lot of time to get annoyed or get. He's put off by it but then over the course of a couple of patients and maybe a couple of hours, he's like, I'll make a joke. She makes a joke back. Yeah. For certain to loosen up a little bit. It's okay. It's reasonable. Yeah. But also the dynamic, that initial dynamic was starting to we're thin. I think we're headed towards more of it as there seems to be some sort of code black like hospitals are going offline and that's that's in the trailer. I don't know. I mean, like the end of the episode, they get the call saying they're about to get hit with everything from another hospital because of a code black there. Right. And so this is a suggestion that there's some tech but he's like, that could be anything. Right. That's the trailer that they're like, when you told me that. Yes. Yeah. We have not watched you haven't watched that. No, I've watched ahead. But it was seasoned trailer. It's like, we're going to go in a log. I just found the the character who exists at least in the opening hours only to be slightly different than Robbie, but it's just following him everywhere. I'm glad that they split up. Yes. Like that was a smart use of that. Are you can I just, can I treat this a little bit? Like school, like can I pop quiz you on something? Sure. What exactly are they extracting from Louis body? I think he has some sort of like, I don't know. What are they going to do with that? I was going to give you like a kind of a half-hearted like I sort of understand that. He's obviously retaining a lot of fluids. I would say so. Five jugs. So it's a liver problem, I bet. Yeah. Because of his alcoholism. He does have alcoholism. And I don't know why they can drain that much. But yes, like there's probably some organ failure going on there. Do you watch those scenes with increasing dread that something else is going to come out of him that there's some that that is on this direct? I don't know. Louis has been there for a while now. I mean, he was there in the first season. And I don't know what's going to come out at him or one of these new kids are going to fuck this out. Or what anecdotes, including like Pittsburgh's connection to the history of fireworks. That's true. I do enjoy that. The only other notes I had from this episode were I could take or leave the racing crew. They don't quite. I mean, it's Western Pennsylvania. Yeah, but they're from Georgia. They're up there for some ruins. And then all of them seemed to have a succession of problems. And they all share pills. Yeah. Which I mean, look, who among us didn't live in New York City in their 20s. I'm just saying you grow out of that. Yeah. I like the ways for a show that we sometimes ding or at least we point out the ways in which it is overtly. I mean, sad to say anything about good people trying to help in an overloaded system. That is by definition political. And we point out when the nurses like gather together like the first musical for season. The subtle ways that the show does it as well. Like the fact that Robbie has a lot of experience removing tasers from people and how you treat that. Or the fact that they have to send, they have to like the insurance is having them move a surgical patient to another hospital because it frees up a bed. And I thought it was good that they had some sort of a mixed variety of reactions to that rather than just like this is unacceptable that insurance does this. It was kind of like, well, it frees up a bed and it does this. And it's like, this is how the system works. Are you happy that the that the security guard guy can get the bet pool running again? Like the like the fan duel of the pit. Yeah. Is back up and running? I'm excited for next week's episode. I haven't watched that yet, but I am excited for next week's episode in that regard. You think it's something big's coming. Yeah. I think usually after around four, they start to. And for people who are just listening, I just changed gears. Oh, I wonder what the other option was if you were audio only what they thought was happening with you. Do you want to do a few minutes of sports talk or are you tapped out? I'm curious. Where do you want to go with it? You had a Philly's take you want to jump into. It's interesting how many things in my life that I like are under full on assault. Like democracy would to being like to collapsing. And I don't know if that's extreme, but all right. And I'm happy. I am honestly happy for Sean and the bets. Like I'm glad that those guys I feel like you. Yeah. But the Dodgers thing has been getting to me a little bit this week. And I'm so glad the Metz got Paralta instead of the Dodgers because if the Dodgers got Paralta, I do think like people would be like, we're not going to fucking spring training. This is ridiculous. And you know, I've been do you feel similarly if the Ellison's get Warner Brothers? Like I just want to know where you know, it's called to fall that I'm thinking about a lot because of the because not because of the portal because I think the kids should be able to transfer. But wait a little I tell you about what Amazon's done to wages. It's going to blow your mind, but we'll get there. We'll get there. No, but I did I did breathe a sigh of relief that somebody besides the Dodgers got Paralta from the bus the burst. Do you feel though economic inequality aside? How does it make you feel knowing that the Phillies have essentially done nothing? They've lost depth lost players still have Nikeshi Hanoz on the books. Yes. And yet still somehow have the fourth highest payroll in Major League Baseball. We'll take care of their guys. You know, it's a union town. Yeah. I'm I'm annoyed at the running it back thing. But at the same time, I like, it would baseball is so weird and fluky that all these they could be healthy and hot and they could win it. You know, I mean, probably not with the Dodgers, but they could know. No, no, it's a race for second place. No, no shame in that. I was excited by like, I can't remember who I saw talking about. The Dodgers were scared of the Phillies. That was like who they thought the basically the world series was with. Didn't feel that way during that series. But it did not because, you know, and I can relate like when you reach a certain age like your highs are still pretty high, but you get, you know, you can go real cold for a couple of weeks. Yeah. I believe in Justin Crawford. I do not necessarily share the same optimism about Andrew Painter and whoever else we've got coming up to pitch. But you, but you made a very, and this is interesting, I thought you were you, you threw on the Burgundy P within minutes of the 49ers game. Like you were ready to yeah, I mean, on to baseball. I was watching Flyers Man the Flasnate. That's crazy. Yeah. How's that feel? Uh, I just, this always happens. Like the football dwindles and it is the thing that unlocks my true fucking sports obsession. It's just like watching the Rams Bears game. I was like, that was an absolutely amazing reward for watching an amazing thing. Yeah. I just want to watch sports all the time. I'm with you on that. I just want to watch sports all the time. Football goes away and you're like, fuck, it's the all-star game for NBA. You know what I mean? It's pretty, so I'm just kind of like, I'm scraping around for stuff. It's pretty fun watching sports when you don't care. I know you always like to pick someone to root for and I probably never would do it too much though, but I care too much. It's just not healthy. Amanda Anna Simova. I'm like one night. I'm just like, go get him, girl. And then I'm done. You know, I have no idea whether she's still playing tennis. You have never ever supported anyone the way you supported that woman for three and a half hours last year. I've never seen past that. That was during the the lightning storm of the Cowboys game. Oh, right. Right. When we had something, we had to look at something else briefly and you just took all your chips and you went all in on your girl. Passion is good. Yeah, passion is good. We'll be back on Monday. We're going to talk about night of seven kingdoms and industry. And I'm sure we'll have other news and notes to go over and keep Kai here for 90 plus minutes as we discuss the Phillies off season and institutional under-institution under-issolved. Just well-fitted. I think that we did a good job today of being a little bit flighty, but keeping it keeping the main thing the main thing. Oh, I also like that backdoor Jalen shout out. That's good. Yeah. Kaya, McMullen is our producer and Kai Grady makes us look good and we'll be back on Monday. I hope everybody is a great weekend.