Victor Davis Hanson: Is Britain Experiencing Its Right-Wing George Floyd Moment?
71 min
•Jun 4, 2026about 1 month agoSummary
Victor Davis Hanson discusses Iran's repeated negotiation delays, the Henry Nowak murder case in Britain as a contrast to George Floyd riots, and concerns about immigration policy and employment trends showing foreign-born workers filling 90% of post-COVID jobs while native-born employment stagnates.
Insights
- Iran's negotiation strategy relies on deliberate time-wasting to reach November elections, requiring Trump to issue ultimatums with credible military consequences rather than continued diplomacy
- The Nowak case reveals a two-tier justice system in Britain where DEI considerations influenced police response, contrasting sharply with the George Floyd aftermath that sparked nationwide riots and policy changes
- Immigration policy has created perverse incentives where newcomers are welcomed with entitlements while simultaneously encouraged to maintain separate identities rather than assimilate, breeding resentment
- Foreign-born workers have captured 90% of net job creation since COVID while native-born employment grew minimally, suggesting structural labor market issues beyond simple competition
- Young American males are increasingly disconnected from workforce participation despite available jobs, indicating cultural and economic factors beyond immigration that require examination
Trends
Two-tier justice systems emerging in Western democracies where immigration status influences law enforcement response and accountabilityDemographic shift in workforce composition with foreign-born workers growing 42x faster than native-born, raising questions about labor market structure and wage pressureDeclining male workforce participation (only 67% of American men working) reaching 78-year lows outside COVID period, suggesting systemic cultural or economic barriersImmigration policy creating identity-based entitlements rather than assimilation expectations, fueling backlash among native populationsPerformative activism and staged protests funded by left-wing foundations to oppose immigration enforcement regardless of actual policy differences between administrationsTransgender identity adoption accelerating among youth (25% at some universities vs. 0.1% historical rates), suggesting social contagion rather than purely biological phenomenonWestern nations reconsidering post-1965 immigration frameworks toward skills-based, assimilation-focused policiesDetransitioner movement revealing long-term harms from irreversible medical interventions on minors without adequate informed consent processes
Topics
Iran Nuclear Negotiations and Military StrategyTwo-Tier Justice Systems in Western DemocraciesImmigration Policy and Labor Market CompetitionMale Workforce Participation CrisisDEI Implementation in Law EnforcementAssimilation vs. Multiculturalism in ImmigrationTransgender Medical Interventions in MinorsPerformative Activism and Antifa ProtestsICE Detention and Deportation PolicyForeign Worker Visa ProgramsPolitical Radicalization in Democratic PartyHistorical Literacy and Cultural KnowledgeSkilled Trades Labor ShortageDetransitioner Support and Long-term OutcomesElection Interference and Protest Funding
Companies
Hoover Institution
Victor Davis Hanson is Martin and Ely Anderson senior fellow at this think tank
Hillsdale College
Hanson holds Wayne and Marsha Buskie distinguished fellow position in history
The Daily Signal
Hanson is senior contributor and hosts video content four times weekly for this publication
Pepperdine University
Hanson taught in School of Public Policy's masters program for two years
Stanford University
Hanson earned PhD there and notes Stanford dropped SAT requirements then reversed course
Brown University
Referenced as example of institution where 25% of students identify as transgender
People
Victor Davis Hanson
Primary guest discussing geopolitical, immigration, and cultural policy issues
Jack Fowler
Co-host conducting interview and providing context on current events
Nigel Farage
Commented on Henry Nowak murder case and two-tier justice system in Britain
Ilhan Omar
Cited as example of anti-American immigrant politician lacking historical knowledge
Rashida Tlaib
Referenced as El Said, example of politician prioritizing Arab constituencies over American interests
Mark Platner
Discussed as Senate candidate facing scandals including Nazi tattoos and sexual misconduct
Susan Collins
Described as centrist Republican being attacked by Platner despite her moderate record
Tom Holman
Visited Delaney Detention Center and confirmed no mass hunger strike or abuse claims
George McGovern
Contrasted with modern Democrats as patriotic despite policy disagreements; opened bed and breakfast
Andrew McCarthy
Referenced as mutual friend who prosecuted Black Blind Sheik case
Tracy Lee Simmons
Wrote introductory essays for 'Finding Our Words' anthology of American speeches
Roman Genn
Drew portrait of Victor Davis Hanson displayed in podcast studio
Sammy Wink
Colleague mentioned as having fans and working on related content
Quotes
"They cannot be trusted enough. They have no history of honesty or fair dealing. We know what they're doing. They're counting the clock now."
Victor Davis Hanson•Iran negotiations discussion
"If you're going to be a collective then people are going to say well then this is what you do. If you want to be individuals then act like individuals."
Victor Davis Hanson•Sikh community response to Nowak murder
"We have so many people who come here and they know nothing about America. And they start lecturing us on how sinful and stupid we are."
Victor Davis Hanson•Immigration and assimilation discussion
"Foreigners have taken 90% of post-COVID US jobs while native-born employment has only grown by 471,000."
Jack Fowler•Employment data analysis
"Only 67% of American men are working, meaning one in three American men over the age of 20 are not working."
Jack Fowler•Male workforce participation crisis
Full Transcript
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Welcome to Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. I'm Jack Fowler, the host, bumbling my way already, Victor. We are talking on Tuesday, June 2nd, 2026. This particular episode will be up on Thursday, June 4th. It's the late afternoon here in Milford, Connecticut. And Victor mid afternoon there in the beautiful Central Valley of California. Victor is the Martin and Ely Anderson senior fellow with the Hoover Institution. And the Wayne and Marsha Buskie distinguished fellow in history at Hillsdale College. And he's a senior contributor to the Daily Signal, which is the happy home of this podcast. And also Victor's other video thing, which is Victor Davis Hansen in a few words, four times a week. He does that for the Daily Signal. Check out his website, The Blade of Perseus. It's got a ton of free stuff, but you can also subscribe for $6.50 a month or $65 a year. And do click on that image of Victor's forthcoming book, Counter-Revolution, an order of copy. It's out in September. Victor, that's just so much to talk about today. Iran, it just seems like Groundhog Day with Iran, dashed hopes of a truce or a settlement or a surrender. We have the Henry Nowak situation murder and just uproar in England over what has happened there. California elections are happening today, but maybe we'll talk about Maine and Plattner and we'll get to Jill Biden too. Maybe some other things. We'll do all that when we come back from these initial important messages. America is going through a higher education transformation where students are realizing that what they want and need is a place that doesn't stifle their intellectual freedom. Standing out among the few graduate programs that value viewpoint diversity is Pepperdine's University School of Public Policy, where I've taught the last two years. Their masters of public policy is both applied and practical, preparing the next generation of leaders to participate in government agencies, the business sector, and think tanks. Pursue your MPP at Pepperdine. Daily signal listeners qualify for an automatic 50 to 75 percent tuition scholarship and can learn more at go.pepperdine.edu slash dailysignal. It's go.pepperdine.edu slash dailysignal. Hey folks, we're back with Victor Davis Hansen and his own words. Victor, let's start off with Iran under the impression. Yet again, this is, I don't want to say umpteenth time, but it's certainly more than two, three, four times that we thought we were on the cusp of some treaty, some settlement. And then Iran pulled the rug out from underneath saying Israel is attacking Lebanon and that disqualifies any negotiated settlement with the United States. What is your, what are your thoughts on that, Victor? Now I have to apologize everybody. I'm on the farm and it's one of those days where there's a lot of equipment. In motion. So bear with me, it's going to end pretty soon. Well, we say that we've been at war since February 28th, but we really haven't, Jack. We've only had 38 days. I'm not, you know, I'm not happy that we had any kinetic action, but we, the negotiations have gone on from April 8th until today. So that was all of May and all of, most of April. So we've, we're getting into, you know, 50 days of negotiation and 38 days of war. And we all know what's going on. Everybody knows what's going on. They are delaying, delaying, delaying. The only mystery is when the president says he might resign because the Republican revolutionary, excuse me, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is running things with the military. We don't know if that's bad cop, cop, good cop. In other words, they just, the president said, oh, we're making good progress. And then they hit Kuwait or they hit the UAE or they do something or a husband law, their surrogate hits Israel. And then I'm very uncomfortable as our listeners are of Pakistan, an Islamic radical country that shielded and hid bin Laden. Remember, we had to go kill bin Laden on their soil. They knew exactly where he was and they gave him amnesty. So I'm very skeptical of them as a neutral host for the negotiations. So what am I getting at? Just quit beating around the bush Victor and just get to it. They cannot be trusted enough. They have no history of honesty or fair dealing. We know what they're doing. They're counting the clock now. They're right at five months, June, July, August, September, October, November. So there we are, November 3rd, I think it is. So we're right at five months. And we've been talking about this at six months. So Trump has seven months. Now he doesn't have a lot of time and that was the purpose of what they did. So I think Trump just needs to take a piece of paper and say no missile arsenal, no ability to make nukes, surrender of anything under Pike Mountain or whatever it is, no subsidies to your three Arab terrorist cabals and the Houthis, the Hamas, and Hezbollah, and the Straits will be open. And you have five days to implement those. At the end of five days, we can't guarantee what you will be like. And then I think he needs to take out Pike Mountain with the same type of bunker busters. He needs to go in and destroy the dock work, everything on Carg Island that cannot, not the fuel storage, but the ability to unload oil on the tankers. He needs to make a sanitary corridor across from the Straits. And then he needs to look at what Bill Clinton did in Serbia, which worked, and what Barack Obama did in Libya, and that has hit dual-use targets. If a bridge is being used by military equipment, take it out. If there's a highway that goes up to Pike Mountain, take it out. And then we'll see what, and then the aim would be, and let the Israelis go after the command in control and just say to them, we're not going to negotiate with you. We're going to continue this until either one of two things happens. We're convinced you have no military capability, strategic or conventional, and that'll probably take about a week or 10 days. Or you decide that you, we're not going to talk to you, but you can open the Straits as we're bombing you, and you can have an envoy that says, here's where all of the missiles are, we quit. That's what I would do. You know, if he doesn't do that, Jack, we risk going backwards. So what would the people in Venezuela think? They're supposed to be right wing, excuse me, left wing, communist, Maduroistas, and if they think that we show weakness, then maybe they're going to say, well, they can't stop us either. And Cuba and China and everybody. So it's not a domino theory, but he's got to protect our sense of deterrence. And they have defined survival as victory, the regime has. And the left is, I've never seen this in the Vietnam War, they were on the side of the Vietnamese, but they weren't, I don't know how to put it, they weren't actively, they were more quiet about it. There was an element, the anti-war movement was about no more war. There were people like Jane Fonda that went over there, but that wasn't the majority. And the Democratic Party was trying, there was a peace party, the McGovernites and Eugene McCarthy, but they weren't pro-Vietcong. These people are pro-Iranian. They want them to win. Or they're anti-American. I mean, they're anti-American. They want the enemy to win. That's clear. Yeah. I think maybe that is one of them. I do think there's a growing backlash. That's another topic, but there's a recent pull out in Michigan that six to one Michigan people do not want any more immigration in mass from the Middle East. They feel that the people deliberately form their own enclaves and communities. They do not assimilate, integrate, acculturate. And as Mr. El Said, they run candidates like that, who basically said he doesn't believe Israel should exist. And he had to be very careful about what he said about the death of the Supreme Leader of common aid, because his constituents would get angry at him. So he's basically on the side of the American, America's enemies. So I think this war has torn off another scab and it's said to all of us, something is wrong with immigration, legal and illegal. But even legal, we are letting in too many people from too many antithetical cultures and they're coming over here with no intention to assimilate or acculturate. And we, this is not, we're not a tribal nation. We don't believe in tribal chauvinism and they take DEI and they fuel it and they feel their victims and they let, they leverage their victimhood to get certain concessions. We'll talk about, as I did a video for Daily Signal, but we can talk about Howard Nowak in Britain. But I think the Western world is just saying, we're going to go back to the pre-1965 hard act and we're going to, we're going to let in fewer people and they're going to be diverse and they're going to be skilled and they're going to speak English and they're going to want to be Americans. And we're not going to let in a bunch of people who want to drive trucks as illegals without any knowledge of English. We're not going to let anybody, a bunch of people, come over here, form their own community and antithesis to America. We do not like people like Ilian Omar who used FOD to come into the country. And it's just getting to a boiling point where all of the luminaries, it seems like most of the luminaries in the Democratic Party, Ilian Omar, El Said, Mondami, the fraudsters in Minnesota, this character in New Jersey who's running, it's just too much, it's just too much antithesis to the American traditions and protocols and they're anti-American. When I saw the Hezbollah flags in those Columbia, Khalid, Mohammed and all that stuff, it's just not working is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I don't think George McGovern or Ted Kennedy, as much as we don't like their policies, I don't think they were necessarily anti-American, but the Democrat Party. George McGovern was a decorated B-24 pilot, very courageous and then he opened a bed and breakfast and said, you know, I was on the wrong side of deregulation, you can't do business in America if you follow my socialist protocols. Do you know that bed and breakfast is less than two miles from my house and it's not a bed and breakfast anymore? Actually, you wrote Bill Buckley who was his friend. I didn't know as you were just pointing out, what is this about all these regulations? How can you run a business in this kind of environment? I have some really interesting information, Victor. I sent you, we'll talk about that later, but I think it syncs in with what you're saying about people fed up and there's some analysis of America's job market and who is taking jobs. Then the proportion of foreign workers in America taking jobs is just shocking, but before we go there, let's go there a little bit, you raised Henry Nowak and was murdered by kind of a reprobate and even within the Sikh community in England, the people there thought this guy was a troublemaker, but nevertheless this troublemaker who's been convicted of murder, but I think our folks, our listeners and viewers know the background, he stabbed Nowak to death while Nowak's dying, he's bleeding out, the cops come and believe the murderer saying this guy said something racial about me, so what they do, they handcuffed the dying man and didn't believe him when he said he was stabbed. The police video body cam footage is now out. Victor, it's so appalling and Nigel Farage, leader of the reform movement there says, you know, this is a moment for rage and also that white lives matter too, and he complained of what he said is a two-tier justice system that goes on in England. So, Victor, what are your fuller thoughts on it? That's the first video I couldn't finish, it was just it was just sick to remind everybody what happened. We had a 19 year old who had a confrontation with a 23 year old immigrant Sikh from India and we don't really know the particulars except the Sikh person was carrying a quote-unquote ceremonial sword which is allowed apparently under DEI auspices that he has religious exemption, but it was a pretty big blade and he stabbed this 19 year old white male repeatedly and then his brother called, I guess it was near his home, his brother called the police and said that the perpetrator was a victim of racism. The police came to the scene, the perpetrator said he had a little mark, I couldn't even see it, and that this racist on the ground had attacked him and he'd only defend himself. That was all they needed. So then the DEI police, and that's what I'm going to use because that's the thematic narrative, they went to the anti-DII person who was dying with a deep wound to the chest, his lungs were filling up with blood. I can relate to that because I had the same experience with three pulmonary arteries that were cut or broke apart and I had two to three liters immediately in my lung cavity and that's not a good feeling when you can't breathe and you'll die with that blood in your cavity, they have to suck it all out. So he was there living and the police saw that and he was laying down and then they kind of pulled on him to prop him up and he said, I'm dying, I can't breathe and they just completely ignored him and kept the cuffs off and he literally bled to death in front of them and they were just clueless and they were more worried about the perpetrator and then he went in and they went home and they hid the murder weapon his mother did. So then they found out that the particulars of the assault, they came back and the brother I don't think has been arrested even though he was the one who called in with the fake narrative that it was a matter of white racism, which really killed the kid, that was the one that prepped the police and in their defense they knew that if they had arrested the Sikh perpetrator they probably would have lost their jobs. And then the family hit it and then the Sikh leader in the community said, oh this is terrible, people are blaming us, we're victims of hate now and my answer to him is don't identify an individual as a collective unless you want to be a collective. So there was a member of your Sikh community who killed a person, murdered him, he is a murderer, he was convicted. And then there was another member of that Sikh community, that member of that family who lied to a police officer, that's a felony and then they hid, they were a necessary act for the fat, that's a felony. All you have to do as a self-proclaimed Sikh leader is say the following, this does not represent the Sikh community, we are a group of individuals and any time that we find one of the members of our community is acted antithetical to our values we condemn it most heartedly, all he had to say. But instead he turned around and said, well the poor Sikh community is now getting dead. If you're going to be a collective then people are going to say well then this is what you do. If you want to be individuals then act like individuals, the same thing here in the United States. No one has been more supportive on this broadcast than I have and in person of the Sikh community. Sometimes I kid my Sikh friends that one of the largest temples is two miles from my house. You've talked about them many times. Yes, they're all good friends, they're wonderful people, they're wonderful citizens, I don't even think I should use the term they're wonderful people, they're wonderful individuals that I know. One of my the most admirable is Simon Cioti, he's a good friend of mine, I like him enormously. But my point is this, I tease them, I said if you're going to have this huge Sikh temple with these flags of the Sikh nation why don't you at least put an American flag on your temple. Sometimes I've seen it, sometimes I haven't. But when the Sikh overwhelmingly these accidents were perpetrated by illegal aliens and here in California, I got a noise a second, just a second, overwhelmingly the Sikh drivers did not know English and they did not take the regular test and they were given exemptions. And there was an attempt by the federal authorities to say those licenses that were fraudulently issued and led to some deaths of innocence would not be valid in other states. And the Sikh community then said we want a letter and support and this is that was the same idea. Why would you do that? Why wouldn't you say these members of the Sikh community who entered the United States illegally and resided illegally and got driver's license under fraudulent circumstances and then acted recklessly and then killed some people by their recklessness, we condemn these people, they're not representative of our community, they didn't do that. And I think that's another sign that it's going to hurt the community and terribly hurt the community. Is that too loud for everybody? No, we can hear it. It's good to know that you are on a working farm. Yes, I'm on a working farm and there's a big machine that and it's very important that they finish. The other thing very quickly, Jack, this is the anti George Floyd scenario. Right. So here we have a parallel tracks. Here is a 19 year old without a record who is mining his own business. Here is George Floyd, a career felon who broke into a home invasion and put a knife at a pregnant woman's belly, a convict who in the process of encountering the police was a, committing a felony by passing counterfeit currency, b, committing a felony by resisting arrest and c, committing a misdemeanor by being under the influence of fentanyl. And then the police intervened in both cases. In the case of George Floyd, they used an approved police maneuver to subdue his violence and due to his COVID, ongoing COVID due to his fentanyl intoxication and do a jury found to officer showbens using his knee. He passed out and he said he couldn't breathe. At that point, they called the ambulance when they thought that he really, and the ambulance came and they took him to hospital and he perished and officer Chauvin was given what, a murder charge convicted and he's been attacked in prison, I think, and now that I've understood. And then the country's reaction to that was four months of looting, arson, violence, 35 people killed, 1500 officers injured, $2 billion in arson and damaged courthouse, precinct, church burned, 14,000 people arrested, and that day gave us almost ruined the universities because after that they dropped the SAT and pennants for admissions. And now of course, you see left-wing faculty are saying, please bring back the SAT, the students are too poor to do the work, we don't know what we're going to do. Stanford said the same thing, we can't water down the curriculum anymore because the graduates cannot get the type of jobs that Stanford brand would ensure them that the employers caught on to us. It brought everything, it changed the military with DEI, it changed the popular culture with critical race theory, it started defund the police, all from that incident. In Britain, there will be no mass arson riots, nothing, nothing. He will be trapped, the murder was convicted. I hope, I hope the members of the family that either hid the weapon or gave fraudulent information to the police will be charged and held accountable. And I hope, I hope the Sikh community will say that these people do not represent our values and they're not really members and standing of our community. We want to integrate and assimilate into British culture. Well, Victor, after the George Floyd died, there were riots in Britain and the destruction of monuments in Britain. And guess who took a knee three days after the death of Floyd? It was Kier Starmer, now the prime minister, not at that point. So you have the parallels are, the contra parallels are striking. I wonder if they'll be singing over to Tonya after the, the rugby matches there, like we have the Black National Anthem, quote unquote, spawned by the George Floyd death and football games in America. So anyway, it's going to be, it's part of the narrative that it's very funny because the left has used this word Indigenous peoples. Indigenous peoples, they say are morally superior. These are people who are colonized by people like the Mondami family, the settler colonialists who go to Uganda, being facetious, but that would be fit the, the Mondami family, according to leftist rhetoric. But my point is, Britain has Indigenous people too. They've been there since Julius Caesar invaded the island. And you can read about them. You can read about red haired women. You can read about Scotch Irish people. You can read about cells, Britons, Anglos, you can read about all of them. They're all documented by Caesar's memoirs. They're in a lot of Roman literature. Romans were the settler colonialists. So my point is, Britain has been invaded and people are colonizing, I'm just being a leftist now. And so is it time to allow the Indigenous people to be allowed to carry on their normal customs and traditions and not subject to foreign customs and ideas? That's what the Palestinians have told us. Even though they're not Indigenous people, we don't know of any Arab Muslims in the Middle East before the fall of the Byzantine control in the seventh and eighth centuries. Prior to that, what is now Israel or Judea was inhabited by Greek-speaking Byzantines and before that, Latin-speaking Westerners. And before that, Hellenistic kingdoms. And before that, a Persian empire. And before that, Lydians and others. So Egyptians, etc. So the Palestinians came very, very late to the Holy Land. And of course, before all of them, the Jews, the third, well, the fourth millennia, four millennia, they've been there. So I just get really upset when we have the, there's something about Americans that they're very magnanimous people, but they do not like ingratitude. They do not like people to come over here and then stay here. And they left countries that were ill-liberal, dangerous, failed states. And then they arrive here and almost instantaneously, they make no effort to know what the Civil War was, or if you ask Mondami who General Sherman was, or could he name some of the writers of the Federalist Papers or ask Ilya and Omar, they don't want to know the history of our culture. And then, when they are here, their whole narratives are critical, critical, critical, critical. You Americans had a racist past. There was a guy from, was it MSNBC or CNN Vishi, remember, he was the person who said it's a mostly peaceful demonstration during the George Floyd. And he was on a rant the other day about the 250th birthday must talk about how sinful and terrible America is and slavery. I don't, I mean, it's not the American practice to go to India and say, I don't really approve of you people. You have a caste system. You have, you had suitee. You made the brides go on the funeral pyre of their own husbands. I don't, when I went to Greece, the first thing I did at 20 years old, I read about six books on modern Greece. I tried to get maps and memorize them. I tried to know what the holidays were. I tried to say to myself, I will never throw a piece of paper out the window, even though it was common custom. This is, I'm a guest at this country. I was very careful never to speak loudly during siesta. And I was a guest and I was very lucky. They were very magnanimous host. But that, that idea doesn't seem to exist here. We have so many people who come here and they know nothing about America. And they start lecturing us on how sinful and stupid we are and how morally superior they are. And yet we never say, okay, tell me exactly how great Somalia is. Tell me how good Said Beri was, who your Colonel Father worked for. Tell me that. And you know, nobody says that. To the parents of Mr. Digwa, did the, did the, did anybody say to Mr. Digwa, tell me exactly how great it is in India today to be a Sikh, compared it to the United States. And how great it is to be, would you like to be in, in India or Great Britain? And what would happen to you in, in India, if you stab somebody with your ceremonial Sikh sword outside your own tribal affiliation? Let's say you went in and you stabbed a Hindu member, a Hindu religion, and you stabbed him and then you lied and said that he attacked you and he was a racist. What would happen to you in India? Yeah. Or if I drove a truck over there and killed a friend. I think I know what would happen to you. Yeah. So Victor, I follow up on that. But first to our viewers and our listeners, if you've studied enough history, you start to see a pattern. Nations don't lose their way overnight. 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Next, I just, I think it's worth noting I could be wrong here that if Americans hate Americans, and then these ungrateful illegal immigrants, legal or illegal, also hate America, I think it's all part of the need to be a victim. If you, you can't be a victim and not hate America because it's a, it is one of the great achievements of human, and that's not an achievement, it's a lottery ticket to be born here, to live here. You should be thanking God every day on your knees, but you can't do that if you're a victim because you have to be oppressed. So I guess it just makes sense to hate America as part of being a victim. I see it every day, Jack. I saw it while I taught. I see it at Los Angeles when every time Karen Baskiv's a soapbox lecture about sanctuary cities, there's an ice protest, and there's some person there waving a Mexican flag, and there's somebody next to him burning an American flag, and it's in protest about illegal aliens, and you say to yourself, is this planet Venus or Mars, or where do these people come from? They want to burn the flag of the country, they insist they have a right to stay in, and they wave the Mexican flag on the country that they're free to go back, but under no circumstances they want to. What kind of twisted mentality is that? And I've asked former students who did that, and they said, well, I was just frustrated or something. That's not an excuse. And I think part of the problem is the left has given this message that if you come here and 90% of our immigrants would qualify after 1965 as so-called non-white, the left then welcomes you with a whole parade of goodies, you know, it's okay. You set foot in the United States, you're from India, you're from Vietnam, you're from China, you're from Mexico, you're from Colombia, we don't care how wealthy you are, you are a victim. Now here's all the federal and local and state entitlements that we give you, and we're going to ensure that because you're a victim, if you want to become a welfare worker or a case worker, work in the entitlement, hospice, autism, you name it, you're not going to be investigated because you're a victim, and you have certain rights because you're a victim. And that's that they're just as culpable because they depend on new constituents, and why do they depend on new constituents? Because their agenda doesn't appeal to most people who have seen their other flip side of that other jack, you know, and when I jack, that's what they are. So that's, you can't, I have to be careful about faulting the immigrants that fault the United States because they learned it from Americans. And certain Americans feel morally superior when they can trash their own country. But of course, you can't really trash them. They're very sensitive about themselves. It's like this Ramon City Councilwoman who gives all of these crazy self-righteous speeches about homeless, I don't see why anybody 500 feet from a school would have should object. And then when they stage a homeless pseudo encampment near there, oh, I'm afraid I just, it was almost my children almost saw that those homeless people that was from and that that was almost a, it's like a fine sign about what these people are about. Flying, flying the illegals up to Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket, wherever it was a couple of years ago. Yeah, don't, don't put them in our proximity. Well, Victor, we're going to take a quick break. And then we come back, we'll talk about Mark Platner. And I mentioned earlier some of these really shocking employment figures national and foreign. 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She is now talking today, Tuesday about possibly re-entering that race in case things get too bad for Platner. So Victor, I just said his sex are bad, but his Nazi tattoos are acceptable. I find that deplorable. Your thoughts Victor. Well, if you're Elon Musk and you give a Roman salute, as did Elizabeth Warren, you're a Nazi if you were a Nazi tattoo. And by the way, this isn't just a Nazi tattoo. It wasn't a swastika. It was a Totenkoff head and it wasn't just a Totenkoff head. It was a particular typology of a Totenkoff, a death set and it was worn by people that were either in an SS division, Gestapo division, I should say SS division, and or they were working the death camp. So literally the last thing millions of Jews saw were these guards with these the same tattoo. He's given so many narratives that he was drunk, that he didn't know what it meant, that he did know what it meant, but he was just young and stupid, but he did know what it meant, but it was the Marines fault because they brainwashed him and gave him a toxic masculine dose or something. Every he pushed every button. I mean sex pervert. He says he masturbated in excuse my language. He masturbated in porta potties pervert. He sexed with women in various manifestations on this app that was used by predators. Crook, his wife should not be working and paid by his campaign. If he is really disabled and he has traumatic stress syndrome, then obviously he can't be a senator. So I hope that he's not double dipping. On ethical, yes, that he's on ethical. Hippocrates, he talks about the billionaire class and everything, but his father was a very successful lawyer, helped him out in his business endeavors. He went to Hotchkiss before he was one of the most exclusive schools in the country, expensive before he was kicked out. So mean spirited, he called a very brave person that was exposed to fire and wounded, basically a coward and an idiot. There's nothing more that he can do. There's nothing more outrageous that he can do to turn off a voter. So if those main voters vote for him, that's an endorsement of that stuff because it's not like he has a record. They can't say, well, he has a big mouth and he's kind of erratic, but you know what? I liked his universal medical plan that he enacted. He hasn't done anything. He's never been in office. So all we know about him is what he says about himself. The other thing is he's not running against this right wing monster. He's running against Susan Collins. Whatever money he thinks of Susan Collins, she's one of the nicest characters of a nice woman. You know what I mean? Nice person. She's polite. She's not mean spirited. She votes Republican and she, on critical issues, it would have been nice to her to vote and she's voted against the majority in her party, but she does so so she can be elected as a Republican and a hostile state to Republican. So he's not running against some far right person. He's running against a centrist and yet when you listen and talk and the way he castigates her, you think that she was a till of the hunt. And so all these people pop out of the, you know, I don't know where Mondami popped out of. I don't know where the woman in Texas who barely lost, she lost the primary runoff, but she had won the general primary when she said that Zionist Jews should be put in camps. I don't know where you get El Said who's worried about ruffling the feathers of his Arab constituencies when they hear that Khamenei or arch enemy has been killed. I don't know where the New Jersey plastic surgeon or whatever he is, where he came from, the friend of the Black Blind Sheik that our mutual friend, Andy McCarthy, prosecuted. I don't know where they pop up from, but they do. Oh, you have the attorney general, the actual attorney general elected of Virginia who talked about murdering children. Murdering people and it, I think I know how they pop up. I don't know where or why they do, but I know the mechanism, they put their antenna up in the general atmosphere and they pick up signals. They pick up signals from people in the Democratic Party. They pick up the fact that you can't be nominated in the Democratic Party if you're for Israel. They look at the campus protests. They look at what people said after October 7th. They see how people say they'd like to cut Trump's head off or beat him up or shoot him or set him on fire. They see that discourse and they say, you know what? 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So Victor, before we get into that thing I promised on the jobs, I just wanted to point out, given all the uproar still in New Jersey, that ICE Detention Center, which is like such a locus for performative art by the Antifa left, some interesting data on ICE deportations. So Clinton, Bill Clinton deported two million with no riots, George Bush, George W. Bush, two million no riots, Obama, five million no riots, Trump, the first term, two million no riots, Biden, four million with no riots, but now Trump, 900,000 deportations with riots, protests, Democrat outrage. It's all manufactured to stop Donald Trump. Any thoughts on that before we move on? Yeah, those are all accurate. And then there's other statistics about the Delaney Detention Center in Newark that I think I mentioned in one of my short videos, or maybe it was with Sammy, that actually Donald Trump has 905 people in that facility, but Barack Obama in 2000, I think it was 12 had more. He had 950. And if you look at the aggregate number over his eight years, there was a lot more people in there. So the protest about that facility have nothing to do with the facility. Tom Holman announced today that he went in and had his cafeteria lunch. He said he was fine. There was no real hunger strike. That was all a lie. There was no mass protest. There was a person who had a cold blue that he had some type of seizure or something, and he would take him to the hospital. He may have died, but he didn't die at the hands of anybody. So all of that, and it looks like about 90% of the people who have been arrested are out of state. So that was another staged Antifa protest funded by left-wing foundations to do what? Nobody protested, as you pointed out, with Clinton or Obama or Biden. Nobody was pro to get a protest. They had to lie that the border patrol was whipping Haitians when they weren't. So it's all, I don't know what we call it, it's all performance art, and it's designed to drive down Donald Trump's ratings. All I can say is that when Trump reacts forcefully, I don't mean rhetorically, but forcefully, then people rally to him. So there was arrested 60 people, I think yesterday that were attacking ICE officers. If there are federal prosecutors who will do their job and indict them, and then they can get juries that are sobered judicious, they should sentence them to five or six years and see how many people show up to the next protest and the protest after that. And we know they believe in putting people in jail who protest and allegedly hit an officer, because that was their great moment in history when Camilla Harris said that January 6 was worse than 9-11 and Pearl Harbor. So these people are not brave people. They're very affluent, often coddled university kids and retirees that are quite comfortable. And if they break the law and they hit police with rocks, or they attack them, or they spit on them, or they go up to their face and say, I'm going to kill you, then they should be prosecuted. And if you prosecute enough of them, they won't do it anymore, because they're the type of people who worry about a felony on their records. Well, Victor, let's take on some of this unsettling employment information I came across and shared with you. This is from an X, an account called atlayoffai. And the headline here foreigners have taken 90% of post-COVID US jobs. I'm reading this from the publication called the National Pulse. So what happened? An analysis of the Bureau of Labor Statistics data shows that since the pre-COVID peak, around 90% of net new jobs in the US have been filled by foreign-born workers. The data indicates that foreign-born employment has increased by 4.3 million since February 2020. While native-born employment has only grown by 471,000, that shift has raised the foreign-born share of the workforce in America from 17.5% to 19.6% almost one in five. Further analysis here shows the impact the disparity in job gains has sparked debate about the structure of the US labor market, with Americans largely failing to benefit from new job creation as foreign born employment grows 42 times faster than native-born employment. Official layoff that some site has tracked over 335 layoffs in 2026 across various sectors, raising further questions about bosses seeming addiction to hiring foreigners rather than locals. One last thing, Victor, and this is the, so that's the yin and here's the yang, a different analysis now is showing only 67% of American men are working, means one in three American men over the age of 20 are not working. And it says here in the 78 years of data only two months have ever been lower than today and both were during COVID. So this is some, you know, Mark Cracorian, who's our friend would talk about like people you mentioned before, legal immigration. Legal immigration has its great problems too. And I think in this employment data, we're seeing part of that. What are your thoughts, Victor? Victor, you have to, you're muted. Excuse me. Yeah, excuse me. Okay. Can you hear me now? Okay. Yeah, I had mixed emotions because after viewing the type of protesters and ICE, I said to myself, yesterday we're building a car port and a guy was here, he was a legal resident and he was for a company that's licensed. And I watched him drill holes through a cement slab, very deep with a jackhammer, and then he did a diamond blade cutter to make a perfect square. And then he puts forms in for post and he pours cement. And I looked at the people that evening on the news, would you want to hire one of those Antifa type people to do that kind of work? I wouldn't. Would they do it? No. How do they have time to do all this? So what I'm getting at is, yes, I would hire Americans. And I know there's a lot of Americans who would want the job, but we have too many American males in their parents' basement, so to speak. And I don't know if it's the war on so-called masculinity that people have written eloquently about, that when you hear all the time that males, white males are racist and sexist, and it's not just white males, it's black males, Hispanic, second, third, are not working as well. But there's something going on that we really haven't figured out yet, why males have not plugged into the economy when there's plentiful jobs. Maybe it is foreign competition. I can tell you that after watching this guy work, he came at 2.30 yesterday from the job. He started at 6 on another cement job. He came in, he apologized, said, am I disturbing you? I was supposed to come here tomorrow morning, but I want to get a head start. Then he worked from 2.30 to 8 at night. And he spoke English. He was a legal resident, but I just thought, why can't some kids that are 18 that choose not to go to college? A lot of them do, but why are they living at home? Why are they not doing what he's doing? The American dream for a lot of parents is to not sweat, I think. I used to resent it, but I had an uncle who was, I think we've mentioned him, Tango. He was a cowboy. And when I came back, I was 24, and I thought I was hot stuff because I was getting a PhD at Stanford. I was almost done, and I thought, wow, I'll get my PhD at 25. And he had the opposite point of view. He saw me in the driveway, and he had kind of an accent. Hey, what are you doing there, Richter? And I said, I just get, well, have you ever got a job? I said, yes, I've been in TA. You've been in TA? What's that? Well, I said, well, I teach for the professors. I help the students, but I also worked on the ranch. You know that. Yeah, you putt around your summer, but you've been in school your whole life. You went to kindergarten, you went to kindergarten, you went to kindergarten, and then you went right to college, and then you went to more college. Now you're 24. And he said, do you have a house? You got any money? I felt like the guy in George Bailey, you know, when he goes, George Bailey goes into Pottersville and Lionel Barrymore goes, do you have collateral? And he says, no, I don't. I have my good will. He said, I'm sorry, I didn't cut much. I said, well, I'm kind of educated. And I was married at the, you know, at 23. And he said, well, you think you were a good catch? Your wife, you think you're, did you get her a house? And I said, well, I don't know. And you don't know. Well, you know, when I was 13 years old, I ran four horses from New Mexico to California. And I, I was on my, I was horseback herding cattle when I was 14 and 15. I didn't get a chance to go to college. And that kind of, I thought, I always, I always resented that, but there was something to that about, you know what I mean? This old ancient idea that males are rated as desirable by the female sex, if they have some oomph or get going about them, or they, you know, they take destiny in their own hands, rather than, wow, you know, it's not, and we're in the way, you know. And I was shocked by what he said. And I think I've also said, when I got my PhD, I didn't go to the graduation. I went to the gown. I didn't, my parents didn't go. I just came home. And my father said, what happened? I said, I got it. Well, where's your, where's your, where's your, your gown? I said, I didn't go. And he said, well, you didn't even tell us when it was. I said, would you have gone? Well, I don't know. I was pretty busy. So he said, you know, we got a dehydrator down there. And it will need to be fixed. You go down there with manual and you guys just work. And that's what I did the first day. And that was the best thing that ever happened to me. It really was. And when you read these stories Jack, that these AI centers are going up and they need 500,000 electricians. Electricians are like, when I, we did my wiring, I had two guys, Armando and Juan. And they were US citizens, of course, but watching them was like watching brain surgery. You know what I mean? The circuits and I'd say, well, this amp, no, it's not that amp. You don't do that amp. And I said, do you need 14 or 12 to, no, you don't know what you're talking about. And it's a science. It's a science and how they did it. I don't know, but this house is beautifully wired now. And plumbers, we have the wrong value system. People who use their hands and can do stuff like that. They're just as valuable, if not more valuable. And it's too bad that so many of our kids are going to college or JC and they take three units here and six units there. And they major in psych or sociology, communications, PR, when they can get on with their lives. The Beatitudes, Victor, the Beatitudes said that, I think the meek will inherit the earth, but I think it's the plumbers and the electricians who will, in fact. Hey, let's, I know we have to end this a little early. Let's just get one last quick topic for you to opine on, Victor. And it's one that's like, can you make this up? Here's the headline, Trans Period Pride, it's Pride Month, folks, as you didn't know. So Massachusetts Now, which now used to be the national organization for women is sponsoring this Trans Period Pride 2026. This is in Boston on June 17. And by period, I mean the thing that happens to ladies. Join us for our third annual Trans Period Pride consciousness raising. We'll be learning about trans experiences with menstruation from the Massachusetts Trans Political Coalition and hold a group discussion to connect and share. This event is free to attend. And both members of the trans community and their allies are welcome to attend. Please RSVP. Cater dinner will be approved and free period underwear will be given to all attendees. What does that mean? I don't know. And I have a wife and two daughters. I don't know what period underwear. But underwear? Does that mean ancient underwear from different chronological periods? No, I think it's... Oh, when you're menstruating. When you're menstruating. Yes. Are they going to call it menstruate? I guess there's men in menstruation. Neither think about the word, but Victor, this is just insanity in our society. But you know what it reminds me? Because we're historically illiterate, these people feel that they discovered something around 2015 called trans sexual transgenderism. But all they have to do is go read sexiologists, not just Freud, but people like Havlock Ellis 19th century, early 20th century. They describe what they called gender dysphoria or sexual ambiguity or hermaphrodite. It's all of these things. And basically, they categorize people who had physical characteristics of one sex. But psychologically or mentally, they were on the other sex. And this was confusion. And they actually did data studies. And it's about 001%. And they were working with a long train in the Hippocratic Corpus Galen, ancient medical texts. They talk about it. Catullus, the great Roman Republican poet wrote a poem called the Attis poem. It's about a young man who is imbued with Eastern feminist ideology, religious zeal, ecstatic experience, very contrary to the cold rationality of the Olympic gods. Okay. And then one of his fit was Sibley. He castrates himself. And then the pronouns in the poem changed from illy to illa, that he's now a woman. And then it wears off. And then the revulsion starts that he has betrayed his and he sits there. The word is ponder on Latin as I recall the poem, meaning the weight of his organs have been gone. They're gone. And it's he's in deep psychological crisis. If you go to this Patronius satiricon, there's transvestism. There's transsexual, there's everything. So what I'm getting at, this is not a new phenomenon. It was known throughout periods of Western civilization. Sometimes it was mock, sometimes the wealthy and the affluent indulged in sexual ambiguity. But if you all of a sudden think that around 2015, you, you were a new group and it wasn't 009% of the population that's 25% of the kids at Dartmouth or, you know, somewhere, not Dartmouth, but Brown or someone are identifying as they'd like to transition, then you should be very suspect that it's sort of like, you know, when I was a young kid, it was hula hoops and Duncan yoyos. And when my parents were young, it was who, how many goldfish you could swallow and how many you fit into a phone booth and stuff or a Volkswagen glory days. I'm not trying to mock it. I'm just saying that we, it became a fad that parents in Hollywood said, my son is trans or something or my daughter is trans. And we don't, then we don't look at, we don't look at it rationally or empirically. We don't say those drugs under any circumstances are quite dangerous that you're taking these hormonal drugs, these steroids, all they're very dangerous drugs, especially at your age. Or we don't say, you, before you change your body or sculpt your body or mutilate your body, you should be very, very careful about that because it's irreversible. We don't talk about that. We don't talk about the inordinate amount of trans people who are on medications who have committed these shootings. It's hushed up. You know, you're, you're told if, well, if you don't, if you don't change your app to commit suicide and the suicide rates are far higher, far higher for someone who's gone through, through the, I mentioned on the show, we had a special guest while you were, while you were recovering Victor. I went to a conference of detransitioners and it was, I felt for them. I'm glad they've, you know, realized the insanity they were in, but they are the walking wounded and will be for the rest of their lives. They're just a terrible sight to see. So anyway, Victor, let's close out. I got a couple of things to mention. One, somebody wrote me about, is that a cartoon, a character of Victor behind you and on the wall behind me, and with your watching on video, our friend Roman Genn had drawn this image of you. So yes, it is an image of Victor and the great Roman Genn, when he was sober for a few minutes, he was, he drew that. I'm sorry, Roman, I love you. Then I just want to say, my colleagues of Steve at Ample, Steve Fell and his brother Dan, is a huge fan of the show and I want to give him a shout out. Thank you. And then two, yeah, he's, I told this to the great Sammy Wink yesterday, was walking the dog and someone stopped the car and said, hey, Mr. Podcast. I like, thank you. Thank you. Glad you liked the show. And he says, tell me about that. Who's this Sammy Wink? So Sammy's got her fans out there. Of course she does. Now, two things. I want to read two comments, people. One is from YouTube. AMR, I9Y writes, VDH, I appreciate you every day. It took me a while to get over the death of Charles Krauthammer and here you were all along. Brilliant mind, soul and willing to share with us. I'm so happy to hear about your cancer-free update. Please stay healthy, happy and with us for a long time to come. And then another comment, somebody writes, historian and far beyond that, Victor Davis Hansen is great. That's all I have to say. There's no further explanation needed. A fantastic man, President Donald J. Trump. That's nice of him. Yes. All right, Victor, I know you've got things to do. I was supposed to get the result of my scans for brain, liver, pancreas and lungs. I took all those tests last week, but radiologists being radiologists, it wasn't a pleasant matter. I'm just teasing, but I haven't got them yet. I don't think I have a recurrence because I lost, when I had the cancer before the surgery, I lost 12 pounds. Now that they took out my low, but should have weighed something, but I've gained five pounds. So cancer patients don't gain weight, I don't think. Okay. God bless ice cream. I'm assuming you're in remission. I'd gain weight too if I had ate the food that the great Mrs. Hansen cooks for you. So she's, are you making fun of the Delaney Tom Holman menu? No, not at all. I've eaten at your house. She's just, it's always terrific. So all right, Victor Cook. Yeah. Victor, you've been terrific. 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