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Bonus #180 - Maddy Smith and Sahib Singh [PATREON PREVIEW]

20 min
May 14, 202617 days ago
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Summary

A caller seeks advice on confronting her aunt and uncle who stole approximately $180,000 in Social Security and life insurance benefits meant for her during her childhood guardianship. The hosts discuss whether she should confront them, explore legal options, and debate the ethics of the situation while making dark jokes about revenge pranks.

Insights
  • Family financial exploitation of minors in guardianship situations can persist undetected for years due to power imbalances and children's fear of confrontation
  • Victims of childhood trauma and financial abuse often struggle with whether confrontation serves justice or personal healing versus protecting their own emotional wellbeing
  • Religious families may use faith as justification for poor treatment while maintaining moral superiority, creating cognitive dissonance for victims seeking accountability
Trends
Increasing awareness of guardianship fraud and financial exploitation of foster/adopted childrenMental health discussions around confronting family members for past abuse and the efficacy of such confrontationsTrust and relationship dynamics in blended family situations where non-biological family members provide care
Topics
Guardianship fraud and financial exploitationFamily confrontation strategiesChildhood trauma and trust issuesLegal recourse for stolen benefitsMormon religious practices and family dynamicsEmotional processing of childhood abandonmentConfrontation anxiety and conflict avoidance
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People
Maddy Smith
Co-host discussing the caller's guardianship fraud situation and providing advice
Sahib Singh
Co-host providing commentary and advice on the guardianship fraud situation
Jim
Mentioned as having performed at Side Splitters comedy club in Tampa
Joe List
Referenced for having a story about staying in a dirty condo at Side Splitters
Quotes
"These people are pieces of shit. These people are fucking scum. And so that cuts two ways. One, you shouldn't feel bad about saying anything to them."
Maddy SmithMid-episode
"You should not waste any more of your energy on these people unless saying something helps you."
Sahib SinghLate-episode
"They knew they were lying because they told her mom, who was one of their siblings, that they were putting in a college fund."
Maddy SmithMid-episode
Full Transcript
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So when I was 18, we got into a pretty big argument and I told them that I didn't believe in God. She's like, there's a lot to get into. The people that raised me weren't ready to be adopted parents, but hey, we can't even get into the here nor there. Let's get into the real meat. That's not a part of it. All right, keep going. To be adopted parents, I could go into depth, but that's for a different story. So when I was 18, we got into a pretty big argument and I told them that I didn't believe in God. They're Mormon. And it ended up with my mom telling me to get my shit and leave. So I left and I was in with my boyfriend at the time and his family. He happily took me in because imagine saying you're religious and treating a child like that. These people are such fucking idiots. It's like, it's a kid. You fucking retard. It's she's 16. She's rebelling. You're stupid, fake ass God is not he what if he's real, if you think he's real, you think he'd be pumped that you kicked out a fucking kid from your house? You fucking idiots. Anyway, go ahead. They thought my parents were fucking insane. And they helped me see just how ridiculously badly they had treated me for so her boyfriend's family that you moved along, which by the way, that's crazy. Wait, what was that? The boyfriend family? She moved with her boyfriend's family after you and they thought the Mormons were crazy. But also it's like, that's such a weird position to be in to to be like, I guess, you're like, yeah, I guess we'll and not are crazy. We'll raise our sons. You can stay and then she's got to stay with that guy forever. I guess they're gonna fucking at home. That is crazy. I remember one time my mom was like real weird with me because I let my girlfriend at the time do fucking laundry at her house. And she was like, this is fucking weird. Why is he doing this? Your mom really liked that girl from what I remember. She really liked her. And by the way, so did I and everyone she's ever met. But at least she was very beautiful. Hey, I guess whatever. I couldn't get a girl to but you know what I think I could have if I went that low. I think it was dogs doing laundry. I was she had to clean her collar off. She had to clean her little hoodie with a tail cut out. Her little fucking her four little boots for what it's too hot outside and her feet hurt. Oh, fuck. Anyway, I'll just get the lint roller. We have too much of your girlfriend's hair on your shirt. Does your girlfriend eat six slices of pizza? Oh, this is girlfriend got in the leftovers again. A whole sheet of lasagna. Come on. Put it. Look, I told you, if it happens again, she's got to put the shock collar back on. Yeah. Hey, when you're 16 anyway, no, no, listen, no, there's, you know, thank you, man. That was a great little riff. Let's get back to this girl's story. First along. Anyway, shortly after I moved in, I changed my address and these checks start showing up for me. It was just over $1,300. My boyfriend's mom, who's a lawyer, said that it was Social Security life insurance money from my birth that or it was either Social Security or like life insurance. I can't remember. They were stealing from fucking. Because he had committed suicide when I was a little older than like one. And so I reached up to my birth mom about it and she said that checks should have been coming to me for a long time now. And my grandma had assured her that my aunt and uncle were keeping it and a college fund for me. This money would be roughly $180 grand. So it's not like a small amount of money. So I go to the bank and I asked to see my records. They could only go seven years back, but it turns out that from as far back as I can see, the money was deposited every month and then immediately wire transferred to my aunt and uncle's account because they were authorized users on the account. I played dumb with my aunt and uncle and I texted and asked, Hey, what is this check for? Hoping that they would say something like, Oh, we have a whole fund for you or something because I was just finishing up high school at this point and I was trying to get that money for college. Wishful thinking, my uncle said that they had used all of the money for my care, which is bullshit because I spend barely more than that for my bills every month as a full adult. Plus, I know I now know that they also got money from the government on top of that every month for being my legal guardian. So at the time I didn't call them on it because I didn't have all the facts. You were a kid terrified of confrontation. Yeah. And I think some part of me just didn't want to lose them, but yours have gone by now in 25. And I feel like I've processed my grief of losing them as a family. And I'm wondering if it's too late to say something. And if so, what do I say? Do I need to just let it be? Yeah, I guess that's everything. Thank you so much. Stop. Bye. Wow. I think you got to kill him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I beat him to fucking death with a hammer. Wow. Wow. She's just talking about saying something, not going after the legal action, right? So I don't know. I mean, if they were her guardians, yeah. Look, if you're just talking about saying something, these are pieces of shit. These people are fucking scum. And so that cuts two ways. One, you shouldn't feel bad about saying anything to them. These people are lower than low. I mean, look, I get they took you in, your mom had a what at your birth mom had a fucked up thing, whatever. But they kicked you out of their house, they stole fucking money from you. They didn't even like you know, they convinced themselves they did nothing wrong. They're they're fucking pieces. You should be able to feel free to let the fucking oozy spray on these motherfuckers. Don't even worry about their feelings, whatever, whatever, say whatever you want. Now, the flip side of that is nothing you say will get through to the kind of scumbag that these people are. Yeah, these are people that live in their own fucking world. You know what I mean? We all have there's people in my family that are like this. I'm sure there's people in your family, all of the heaps fucking relatives think it's okay to use slave labor. Maddie, you know, you have an insane you have insane people in your family. Just for the record, my family is kind of poor. So we don't have that many. But the ones they got, they work them to the bone. We got like one guy. He's like not even that great. Yeah, he's tired. He's tired. He's tired. And that's really hard because you gotta fucking get to work by clinging onto the top of the train. That's enough to do with just one arm. These people are pieces of shit, right? Yeah. And you can say it for this is for you. This is for your fucking to get it off your chest. This is not there's nothing to do with them. So whatever you feel like you need to say, say it, if you can get, you know, talk to a lawyer, it's probably too late. You know, maybe you can sue them for who do even have anything to go after, whatever, talk to a lawyer, whatever, I would want to get back at these people any way that I could. 25 is still kind of young for someone with this tumultuous of a life where on some level, you still feel something for them, especially when her you've not had and I don't know what's happened since. But I mean, you're talking about a life with no stability, you know, you're still some of their, you know, guilt bullshit probably still has its hooks in you. Yeah. So, you know, this is us telling you to let that shit go their fucking scumbags. They deserve everything bad. They deserve a bunch of bad shit to happen to them, right? But you can what to say? You should I mean, if you just truly the truth, which is like, you know, you took me in. But at the same, it's like, it's one thing to take me in. But you stole money from me. You never told me about it. You lied to me, you probably would have kept you would have kept stealing money from me. Even you said it was for my care. I you would have kept stealing money from me if I wasn't fucking there. What how you behaved is is despicable. You are selfish, bad people. And you know, I mean, just really let them fucking have it. I don't know what to tell you. I think, you know, that's all you can really do is say like the way you behaved is completely unacceptable. You are scumbags. Write down everything you want them to hear and fucking say it. And again, it's just for you, whatever it is for you, whatever you want to get, don't expect them to change their behavior. If anything, they're going to call you insane. They're going to, they're going to start doing lies you haven't even thought of. Yeah, they're going to try and gaslight you in ways you didn't even see coming. And and that's kind of fun. I love when an insane family member tries to because dude, they're create they're very creative people. Yeah, they'll make up a whole fucking way you betrayed them that you didn't even think about. They're gonna bring stuff up. They're gonna bring something that didn't even happen. Yeah, you gotta be ready for what they'll say. So that's a especially if you're if you're not a big confrontation person. It might not maybe sound worth your fucking time. You know what I mean? Like, these people don't should not give you any more. You should not waste any more of your energy on these people is my overall unless saying something helps you. Exactly. You should not. Yes, exactly. Now I do think standing up to the people that were scumbags to you or the reason that that you probably you say you have problems with confrontation, I bet that had a lot to with growing up and what sounds like a semi abusive fucking situation. semi and we're bailing them out by semi because we don't know all the details. But you know, it's good for you to stand up for yourself for sure. So if you want to say it for that say it for that. But if you also feel like you're not ready yet, that's okay too. This is fully up to you. You're not going to get any sense of justice out of this because there's they took advantage of you. You're a child and they stole from you. Go talk to a lawyer, you know, hit up your I guess ex boyfriend's family. Is he out? We don't know if she's still with him that that actually would be kind of that would be kind of like old fashioned as hell if you're still with your boyfriend from we were 16 18 to 25. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I don't know that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you got with her through that. Yeah. A lot of people stay together when they're something traumatic trauma trauma trauma bonded for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that's what I was just like, you know, these these people fucked you completely. And that's tough when your own family is taking advantage of you. Then you're like who the and I'm sure you have trust issues and all this stuff. But you know, that's my advice. I don't know. You guys got something you can do is sneak into their house and put broccoli in places they won't be able to find. And then it'll smell really bad and they'll go crazy. Yeah, I would yes have to make them go crazy. Yeah, I heard about like somebody put like a somebody like got cheated on or some shit and they put a device that beeps at odd intervals. Oh, yeah, in their walls, walls or somewhere they couldn't get to it drove them great. They deserve that. Do some crazy pranks do bad shit to them. Yeah, make them feel like what in the Mormon thing means the devil's coming do whatever the fuck Mormon the Mormon Bible says the devil does to them make them feel like Satan is after them. Yeah, yeah, whatever weird version of Satan that fucking face came up with like this if this was a movie she'd be scaring them. Yeah, they'd be like running, you know, yeah, but then they'd flip it on her, they'd know and then they're actually satanic for real. Right. That's a good movie. Normally wouldn't suggest this but do they have a dog torture and kill their dog? Hell, this is what we kids torture and kill the dog. Maybe that's the classic take it out on the dog. Yeah, yeah, you should this is a scenario where I would be like if they have a dearly loved pet. No, maybe you can. That's the absolute wrong way to look as the man who cares about animals the least. That's crazy. Yeah, because now because the dog is actually an innocent here. The dog is not like, Oh, let's take their money. Yeah, but what kind of animal is it? Right? It's like a lizard. I just think you gotta do like do harm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's why that's why a dog would just hit way harder than like a hamster or something. You know what I would but the problem is you want to do them harm directly. You don't want them because you're really doing more harm to the dog than they are. Yeah, they're sad you killed the dog. Now if you want to kill if Elvis you're the kind of freak that wants to kill some kill some mice put it in their walls. Yeah, yeah. Do some shit prank call them have Jim Florida. You guys are listening to black Sabbath. Why isn't black Sabbath doing the halftime show at the super bad? Really good. Shout out to Jim. I open from once to Tampa and side splinters was one of the greatest experiences of my life. Yeah, he's a great. He's a great hang and then I also had to stay in the Tampa side splinters condo which is one of the most disgusting place I've ever been in my life. Do you stay with him? No, he got to be in the Holiday Inn, which was the Headliners Hotel. It's the Holiday Inn. That club. I mean the club's awesome but man back in the day before the new people bought it it was a piece of shit. Yeah, it was the kind of Joe List has a story about staying in that condo and he was wearing socks and his socks got dirtier on the carpet than when they took them off. It was fucking disgusting. It was and there was not near anything. Anyway, whatever. Just isolated. Yeah, whatever. Do some pranks. I mean if you really want to be bad, do they have like antique furniture? Release bed bugs in there. Yeah, put on a fucking put on a put on a hazmat suit. Yeah, get some bed bugs and then release them in there and release them in their home. That's a good one. That'll actually cause that will make you go insane. Yeah. And that's about equal to 100. Honestly, you could do them $100,000 worth of day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bed bugs. Yeah. Because sometimes you can't fix that. They have to like they have to like gas the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you don't get it in time, it'll spread everywhere. Yep. Bed bugs are fucked. Anyway, they deserve it. They're fucking assholes. Sorry that happened to you. That's fucking insane. And you know why they know why they even know they're lying? Because they told her mom, who was one of their siblings, that they were putting in a college fund. Yeah, yeah, they knew their piece. So fuck them, release bed bugs into their home. Put it in their special Mormon underwear that covers their dick. Yeah, put it on. Yeah. What? Yeah. Start a call. But in the meantime, Al, this your homework while we listen to the call is find out why Mormons wear that special weird underwear. What is it? Like, I don't know. It's like, it's just like, I don't know, some kind of weird. It almost looks like boxer, like the balloon, like kind of pirate pant, like under armor type shit. Okay, got it. What? It holds a dick in or I think it holds. So you don't fuck. No, I just think it's some kind of they think it has magical properties. I mean, these people are fucking no disrespect. This all religions are pretty fucking stupid. But the newer it if it's an old religion, at least you can fly to yourself and think that like, Oh, this guy put this here for a thousand years history. Mormonism is one guy made up a bunch of shit. And you can tell he lied. Like he he mistranslated shit from Egyptian that at the time no one could call him on. Yeah. And then they're like, this doesn't say this at all. Scanner. Like he's clearly if you're a fucking Mormon, I mean, no disrespect or Scientologists for some reason. Mormon is the only one stupider and more in less new or Scientologists dealing with stupider than Mormon. But come on. Why are you I mean, and by the way, on Easter, we also think that about Christianity about everything, you know, accept Islam. That's the one true one we got we want go Iran. We're rooting for you. Keep that fucking straight fucking clothes brother. Keep shooting us down. Take those fucking rifles get knock those drones right out of the fucking sky. I'm rooting for you motherfuckers for real. Oh, did you do some research illness? Yes, the temple garments is what they're called. They're a two piece thing atop and a knee length bottom knee length. And they're a physical private reminder of promises made in the temple and serve as a symbol of commitment to Jesus Christ. You guys wear those like under their parents every day. Yeah, initiated members are expected to wear them throughout their lives, removing them only for activities like showering or swimming. What they have to wear extra underwear to like hide their pussy from everybody to remind them that they promised that pussy to one to God or whatever the girls everybody wears it. Everybody wears it. But you cover your cock or your pussy. Underwear does cover cock or pussy, but you double cover it. No, I thought I think they replace it with underwear. It's a two piece but you don't put it over underwear. Oh, you wear it. It's just just wear it as underwear. But you have to wear a fucking top like you know what this is. This is vestigial of like, it's how all how like the specific sex of like the what we think of as Orthodox Jews with the way they dress. That was just a cool way to dress back then. Yeah, these are just fucking pioneer underwear like he didn't even make this up. This is just what fucking if you watch Deadwood people are wearing shit like this. Yeah, man, fuck more. Anyway, whatever. More of the magic underwear is considered derogatory. I don't get it. That's the slur actually. Yeah, I don't fucking care. No, look, sorry. Shout out to let me say this. Shout out to ex Mormon girls. Now that's they're honestly, I don't know what they got going there. But yeah, something extra terrestrial. That's kind of the only blonde. I'm not a big blond guy, but something about an ex Mormon. It's like fucking. Yeah, well tan. Nothing wrong with that. It's like you're like you're a bellies action. Also, you're like rebellious. Yeah, yeah. And they're pent up. Yeah, they're doing a lot of them were abused to really not okay. Let's kill a dog. Fucking they're abused. I like that too. Moria my favorite part. Let's kill a dog. Let's children. 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