"Walton Goggins"

Hey everybody, this is Walton Goggins. I'm the guest on Smartless today and I can't wait to have a conversation with these three fellas. Only one of them know that I'm going to be here. So let's get this conversation started. Thanks for listening. Welcome to Smartless. Smartless. Smartless. Smartless. Smartless. Wait, who's guest is it today? Shut up, Sean. Jason's, you can tell by the attitude. Thank you, piece of shit. Look at whales on the fucking Western's with his smoking jacket on fucking quilted self-stitched. What's it called? Santa Fe, something. Yeah. Well, how much research so Will's doing a Western thing? Not a Western. What is it? We'll kind of Michelle Fyfer. Yeah. He's reprised. By the way, our friend Michelle Fyves, who said to me, I said, and I said, I said, she was, I know, we got to take a break so you can do your podcast. She's being sort of co-eased. Said with a mocking tone. Yeah. And I said, I said, yeah, she was very good on the show. I said, you were great on the show. We loved having you and I hope you, you know, hope you got good response. And she said that people came out of the work too and that people listened to it. So how about that? That's nice. So people always say, I don't want to do the show. I don't want to do the show. And then they're happy that they do the show. Yeah. That's right. I don't know. I don't know. Don't you feel like we just all slept together in the same cabin somewhere because we just did this like 10 hours ago? I know. It was. I mean, like we just all, well, let's go back to. Yeah. Why is it going sleeping in a cabin? Oh, because I'm dressed like a little cabin. Well, no, well, that we just all slept in the same house. And then we just woke up for breakfast and then we started doing this again. Yeah. Wait, what is your dream? You know, it was for breakfast. Sushi. I just said sushi. No, you didn't. Yeah. I went to Zaybars. You know, Zaybars really close. Oh, yeah. Fames for their sushi. It's true. I put a jacket on. I went next door and I ate some sushi. I brought it home. I brought it home. Hey, you shit pig. Remember yesterday when you said I just had Chinese food. I thought to myself. That sounds really good. And so I ordered some Chinese for me last night. Oh, you're a little bit more than a little bit. I'm not bad. Chinese for the first time in a long time. Right. That's right. What did you have? I was wondering about your face because I could see there was something, you know, will. Wait, oh, you see my face after your sushi lunch today. Yeah. Wait, do you get, do you get like, you know, anything kind of naughty at when you order Chinese like breaded chicken or breaded something or no like no bamboo shoots. No, I, we had a couple of chicken dishes in a noodle dish and some vegetables. Yeah, you know, because I said to Amanda, I said, you order, baby. I don't want to don't let me see anything on the menu because I'll order all of your own foods. And she went like totally clean and everything. Yeah. And it was good. And it was great. All right, wait, well, one of the grossest images I ever witnessed in my life was going over to Jason's house. And he's swimming in his pool in the backyard while Amanda is has a big hat on covering the sun. And from the pool on his floaty, he goes, honey, can we get some sushi for lunch? All he's baking in the sun. It's so horrible. He faced time. He went floating on a floaty in his pool. I was like, at, and I was just all I thought about was like, obviously, Ernest Borgnayne in the pool. By the way, by the way, by the way, it just reminded me I forgot to tell you. So a little while ago, I run into Griffin done, our old pal Griffin done the great Griffin done. The great Griffin done. So, so Griffin done tells you know, so he says, I've been meaning to see, I've been meaning to tell you this story, I mean, it's all this story. He said years ago, when, this is public record, he said, when Ernest Borgnayne was getting divorced, his wife cited one of the problems that she cited in the court record. No, there are differences that she found that as a problem as grants for a divorce was that Ernest Borgnayne would Dutch oven her. He'd fart in the bed and pull the covers over. Is that real? Is that real? Where'd it go? Apparently, and I looked it up. It's true. As she hated it, and she was disgusted by it. And so he was like, he was like, I got a tell wheel. I got a call. So he had my old phone number because I haven't spoken to him like in like four years or something and I switched my number. So he keeps, he's sending me stuff and he calls, he calls me and the guy goes, hello. And he goes, hey, listen now, you know, this thing about Griffin, you know, goes, hey, well, and the guy says, sort of says, yeah. And then he goes, listen, Ernest Borgnayne and the thing and the reason he got divorced and the Dutch oven and this stuff. And then he goes, this isn't will. Okay, he's changed his number. And that is a disgusting. Why would you think I'd want to know this disgusting? That's really funny. Oh my God. Listener is a backstory. You should know that I bought Ernest Borgnayne's old house years ago, years ago. And Will has been writing me for years that what I've done is I've made a bad purchase because not a bad purchase. Well, when you consider that supposedly Ernest Borgnayne was a world class masterbater, he credited his bloodgeven with the fact that he claimed that he masturbated every day. So I always imagine him everywhere in the house leading against the railing. Yeah. And so it's in the pool too, Will. And there's also lots of farts stuck in the master. Okay. Got it. Yeah. And when Ernest Borgnayne, no, no, no. That is crazy. Welcome to smartless. So I've been meaning to tell you that. All right. Let me pull up my notes here. Oh, yeah. I've written a little intro. Where is it? Here it comes. What we've got here today. Oh, God. I'm shouting. Well, we're back from commercial. Well, we've got here today as an actor, an exciting actor. This guy knows how to put you on his back and carry you into the world. Is some pretty interesting characters. I like summer funny, summer scary, dark summer breezy. Whatever it is, though, it's always a good ride. He's the kind of actor that gives you the grin of expectation and the feeling of relief that you're in good hands for wherever you're going. Guys, I write these myself. Okay. Who can tell? He was born in an Alabama, raised in Georgia, moved to Hollywood at 19 and has brought us iconic roles in films like Django Unchained, the eight, the hateful eight. And on TV, he's given us gold and shows like the shield justified vice principles, right? His gemstones are recently white lotus and fallout. Dude, here's Mr. Walton Goggins. Yo, Gary. Yo, man. Now we get it started. Wait, why don't you have to masturbate every day to lead McCale's Navy? You gotta get the evil out if you want to stick around a while. Damn it. I want to get that show. Why do you look so sharp today? Do I look sharp? Yeah, in the middle of a junket. Yeah, in the middle day, day, day, I think three or four or something like that. No, really, yeah, yeah. In it. But this is the first one for today. Okay, we get you fresh. So I'm doing okay. You got your fresh. You got your fallout? Yeah, for fallout. Yeah, this fallout. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I knew, I know that there's a surprise guest and I saw Will the other night. I know. Did you keep it zipped? You were swallowing gold. Who was it? I didn't know who, who, who, who, who the host was. You were so guy, no idea. I mean, I was focused on your full length leather coat you were wearing and it was a hundred degrees in that room. So was I because I was sweating. I lost ten pounds that night. It was great. Oh my God. Hey, so here, so here's the deal. A M G T. I maybe we've just sniffed out what the, maybe the whole, the whole is sometimes when every once in a while, Walton, a guest will come up to one of the three of us and say, hey, can't wait to see you next week. And it's just, or the rep or the rep or something like that. So what I think is the guest needs to be told, Michael, who the hosting fella is. Yeah, right. They're told the rest are told. They are told they are told we're keeping that in. Yeah. We're keeping that. They're told the host. I mean, the guest knows who the host is. This is smart. No, no, but like you're people, you're people, you're people tell you. Yes. Yes. So this is more, you know who we need to be speaking to are Walton's representatives. They're the end of the bond. They're in the room. Some of them are in the room right now. Do you hear that? Why didn't you tell me honestly? It doesn't matter. It's a true idea was to cut down on home work for the other two. What's up, fellas? What's up, bud? All right, so you're out there with the sandwich board for the fallout. I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're just, we're just starting. And how are, let's just jump off right there. How are you enjoying? Got it. What's the pre, what's the pack called? The jump off. What's the pre call on that? You got a two hour pre call. What's the pre call? You know what? For the makeup chair? Yeah, man. It's like a, it's like three hours, you know, before anybody else shows up. I mean, he got so bad, like not so bad, but we were, we're, we're, we filmed the first season in New York. Yeah, for some reason, honestly. Well, because you've got a place there, a beautiful place there in the Hudson Valley. They thought maybe we'll make it geographically attractive for Mr. Goggins. But never saw it. Never, never left the city, really, except good in Namibia. But we're out here now and, and we were out filming in the desert. I've got this van, you know, that, that, like so many other people. That you rent back to the company and you call it your dressing room. As a matter of fact, I did. Yes, I did. What? It's working. Yeah, here's what you do, Sean. What are you talking about? When, when, when, when you're a fancy pants like Walton and you're working all the time, the smart money is spent on like a motor home or a van or something like that. It's yourself. Yeah. And then you rent it back to the production as your dressing room. And so they give you the money for dressing room rental. It's all a pace for itself. Yeah. It pays for itself. Kind of. Yeah, I mean, it's a little harder in New York than it is in Los Angeles. Yeah, parking at 8th Avenue. Yeah, parking is very expensive there. The parking ticket's offset, the rental fee. Yeah. But it did. It worked out, you know, it worked out. But so we, we got to the point where we were kind of filming like out in the desert a few times. I just stayed for the first time. I don't know if you guys have ever done this, but I stayed at base camp. Everybody else in your trailer tonight, you know, really kind of bad hotel room. Like in the middle of nowhere. You, you, you slept at the location. Yeah, at the location with a security guard. Everybody else, please. And I just had my food. Did you stick them for the hotel for the hotel money too? Yeah, I got the $60. That's what I was doing. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. That's what you said. And you have, and you have your shower and a little kitchen in there and everything. And it was only four steps to work. Even like my call time was, I mean, I had, yeah, I did shower there. Yeah, as a matter of every single night. Yeah, of course. I mean, you got to, you got to have that water. Jason would never, that water, you'd never use trailer water, right? Yeah, no, exactly. I don't want to smell like a hoe. I have filtered. Yeah. I only use the wall. You do strike me as a fellow. You do strike me as a fellow that is not afraid to walk barefoot on a hotel rug. No, no, I walk barefoot across the desert. Exactly. You're a guy that you're much, you're not, I'm a soft, I'm a soft man. Yeah. You don't seem like a soft fellow at all. You can handle quite a bit of, of, of, of, you know, taking away the creature comforts. You know, well, I just, I had an experience where all the creature comforts were taken away. Like, and I didn't realize how, how, how many they were going to take away. But I took my, I'm, I'm a father. I'm sure. Two of the parents here and, and you know, I tell you, it's not dragging. I know that's, yeah, hey, you know, I just have one. So I can kind of, you know, not take a job for a while. But, but I took him, he was 14, right? Mm-hmm. About a turn 15. And it's like, okay, well, we, you know, this is a big transition kind of in your life. And we need to mark this occasion. And I took him on a two week horseback riding trip across Western Mongolia. Wow. Yeah. No, it's big deal. It was big deal. It was 14. He'll be 15 in about six weeks. And it was just, you know, an opportunity for us to kind of get out there and, and see the world. It's cool. And we're both obsessed with Ginghis Khan. Jason, Jason would be stressed, Jason would be stressed going to the first class lounge in Mongolia. Like that one. Where would he be actually? Where are you going to find a TV with CNN International? It's hard, you don't get a signal man. But where do you, you, again, you do strike me as a guy who's, who's so sort of, there's a lot of texture in your life. I'm like, I'm surrounded with thread count and things like that. Yeah. Well, I like thread count too, you know, like you know how to do both. Mongolian cashmere. I mean, I like, I like all of those things. But on this trip, here's what, here's what happened. Other than maybe we'll get to like a parenting moment, you know, with my son, which was extraordinary. Yeah, I wonder what you're saying. But, but on day three, I mean, it took us, it took us about like 72 hours just to get to the starting point, you know. And stopped and missed the flights, spent the night in Istanbul, which is, you know, hey, throw me in the bire patches. I love that place. Wow. And we made it to Alambatar and another plane landed in Western Mongolia and then like an eight hour drive. Like an eight hour drive to just the starting point. We got there and it was just the two of us were obsessed with that part of the world. And then we start, you know, start, and aren't we meet everybody? You know, but he speaks English. We have an interpreter. It's just the two of us five horses. I mean, seven horses, five camels and an interpreter, two horsemen, an eagle hunter. Who sent the sound? And a cook, man. Like it's legit. It's a real, it's the real deal. And we're both like in the tent the first night looking at each other going like, we're here, man. We did that. We did it. And the very first when we landed in Western Mongolia, my son looked at me and he said, I've never been this happy in my life, dad. Wow. So he's got that wanderlust like I do. So cut to day, day two, you know, something like, you kind of happened. And he, you know, he's like, wow, this is, excuse my language. This is this really fucking hard, dad. Like this is really, this is hard. Like this is really hard. And he was, you know, he was missing his mom and missing, you know, his life. And I said, you know what, buddy, I understand it is hard. You're absolutely right, but it's very, very hard. And you can, you can be in this place and I'll hold you and I'll love you. And I'll, and I'll, and I'll, and I'll comfort you in this time. Or you can say, he said he really wanted to go home. And I said, okay, but I'll, I'll hold you and I'll comfort you. And for as long as you want. I mean, for the next 12 days or you can accept that this is your reality. Right. You're not changing this reality. Right. And you can let that fester and you can react to that. Or you can accept the fact that this is your reality and actually learn, you know, and spend and not waste that energy. Just tough motion. It's up to you. And literally at 14 years of age, I just need to be able to do that. And I just need, can I, can I use the battery because there's no, you don't have cell phones. We only have, you know, a little bit of batteries with us or whatever. It's like, you can use the battery if you use it up, use it for whatever you want. It's like, I just need to listen to some music. He did. He sat in the tent. He came out about 45 minutes later and he just looked up at me with this big beautiful grand on his face. With a plane ticket. No, can I? With a plane. And he thumbs up like I'm good, Dad. I'm good. And then it's like, okay, he got through that. The next morning, I'm on the horse. We're all leaving this whole caravan. It takes the whole process of getting ready to go. And I've been riding horses my whole life. My son is an unbelievable rider. And my horse just trips. Oh, and I went down. I didn't see any, I didn't see a comment. Oh, no, she rolled. Yeah, she rolled on. Now he needs to be held exactly. Well, this is what happened. She rolled on top of me. And I was able to push her off thinking, oh, my God, he's broke my leg. That's it. And looked down. I was like, okay, legs fine. Everything's okay. And then I went to stand up and I immediately collapsed. Something was wrong. Something was really wrong. And my son looked at me. He was like, Dad, are you okay? He's like, yeah, dude, I'm okay. All right. I got up on the horse. Road for seven hours. Don't remember it. Had a couple of ad bills. My wife threw in a bag. What I realized, you know, after a few days is that I was going to be able to do it. I broke my rib. Oh, God. And then all of a sudden, I'm like taking the advice that I just gave my son because it's like, hey, man, nobody's coming to get you, you know, in the middle of nowhere, there is no, like helicopter coming to air vacu out of here. Man, that evacuated here. You got to go. You got to ride. And so it was, you know, another nine days. Where is that kind of thing? Where is that kind of thing? That is to to Jay. You have to tell the story about the credit now. Jay, you have to tell the story about that when the guy didn't have your valet ticket at the governor's award. Yeah. And I'm like, man, you waited like 10 minutes for them to sort out your limo. Remember that? Solid 10 minutes. And two days ago, I had to talk to a bunch of people I didn't want to talk to. Yeah. My tongue's fags in your hand. Yes. Now we offered to hold them. Where did you get this kind of this kind of thick skin emotionally spiritually? Did you have a couple of good parents? Well, I mean, I mean, I think we all have thick skin. You know, it's just a matter of being exposed to it. I'm a poor kid from Georgia. And my parents divorced, you know, I was three years old. Yeah. And I grew up around a bunch of, you know, when I say crazy, you say it with love. With love. Yeah. And I think it's a very curious and really colorful, colorful Southern women, you know. And a little bit of farmhouse outside of Atlanta. And yeah, we didn't have anything. We didn't have like, you know, central air. I mean, we had like a heater, you know, that admitted, I mean, like it is the cause of global warming, like this one particular furnace that we had in our house. And yeah, we just didn't have much. And so, but we didn't we didn't want for much. I don't know. I just think growing up that way. Well, then what about all this privilege and luxury and I love it. A lead is on that you're rolling around with every once in a while. You think it is a getting you soft? I love it. Yeah. No, dude, I was a getting me soft. Yeah, I mean, I suppose you get use everybody has a new normal. But you know how to categorize it, right? Yeah, you put it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You still able to go to Mongolia and get along. Absolutely. Yeah, can I ask you some questions about that story that it's crazy? That's what I just told you. I just talked to three of you, man. This is just so likewise. Well, like, two of you, I know and Sean, I don't know. So, yes, ask me anything. We went to Sean and Sean and I went to Istanbul once. What? Yeah, we went to Istanbul. Yeah, don't make me to go. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and there were the four seasons there, the, the old prison. That is true. That is true. But, you know, like a week after, like a week after, like a big terrorist attack. Do you remember that? I know. Like a week after we got out of it. Yeah. Wow. 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I was scared, but I tried not to show that to my son. And I said that when we got to this particular, the next location after that seven-hour ride, and I crawled into this tent, and they took me off this horse, which by the way, I had the only horse in Mongolia with Alzheimer's, man. She had no idea who I was. It's like, man, I've been riding you for eight hours a day, man. I've used stop for lunch. I've only been gone for 20 minutes, man. I'm here. He's not a, I don't have a scent. I mean, really? Right. I fell into this tent, and I looked at my son and I said, listen, man, I'm going to take this ad bill, and we're going to see if I wake up with any relief. And if it is, then I think, you know, we're going to be okay. Everything's fine. And I did. I fell asleep. I don't even remember falling asleep. I woke up, I don't know, three hours later or something like that. And I felt marginally better, right? Because I'd found a place that wasn't so painful. So right. Right. And then I was able to make it out of the tent. I walked in, I mean, I'm in Mongolia. It's the best horse people in the world. You know, they had an idea of kind of what it was. And then while I was sleeping, they fermented a bunch of yak vodka. Sure. You know, like, yak milk. And so I, I just, I drank, we killed a goat that day. He's just crazy. And, and I drank this yak vodka. They just left there for the next thing. We had these like two gallons of yak vodka. So I would just like, in the morning, you know, like with coffee and follow it with a shot of yak vodka and a little bit of ad bill at the Marriott. You can't get that. Just a mouthful of goat. Yeah, exactly. And it was, and we had no refrigeration for that goat, but we ate that goat every way one can eat a goat. Oh, where is it? And it was so. I can't think of anything I'd rather not do. Just watching this is face. What? Really? Because I'm going to invite all of you on the next trip. I mean, I would, I would be, I would, I would have an uncomfortable time. Just researching that trip. You know what? Well, okay, you're, okay, this is reading about it. The West Side's, I'd have to go to to research this, would have a font and a sort of a user interface that would be aesthetically unappealing to me. And I, let alone go to the country. Yeah, yeah. You know what? Yeah, I, because my son was, you know, at this age, I said, and he's obsessed, I got a smart kid, y'all. Like he's a, he's a very, very, very bright, very curious man. I can't even say young man, because if you sit with him, you feel like you're talking to somebody's, but how old is he now? Well, he's still 14, man. Like he turns, he turns, he turns, he's a New Year's Day baby. So this was a recent trip. Oh, man, I just got back. Like, come on. Come on. Wow. How's your rip now? You know, better. I mean, I got, I got, I mean, I look, it was, it's a, it's such a long story, but kind of made it like kept going and that day three, it took me, that's when it like got really bad. And it's took me like an hour and a half just to get out of the tent. I wake up before my kid did just so that he didn't see me that way. Right. So you'd go do this trip again. Oh, yeah. Oh, I want to, with you guys, the day that one of us, you all find me that. I'll drive you to the airport. That's it. What about like Safari? I'm in. Safari in Africa. Well, look, what's the, what's the most adventurous experience that you've ever given yourself? Go ahead. Yeah. Well, right, during COVID, like right before COVID hit, I booked a Scotty thing where we were going to go on the Orient Express. It's like his dream to go on that train across Europe. Oh, wow. And so that's like the most extravagant thing I would have ever done. But that's not a fancy train. Oh, you didn't wind up. You didn't, you wouldn't. No, because you never done anything out of nature, though. Either of you guys. Well, I did, I did a, a, a days where the work schedule left on a night writer episode once they get there, and then Honeywagon. And Honeywagon, let me tell you something. If you're looking to stretch out and catch a nap at lunch, you're catching up. Yeah, you are. In the forest. In the forest. Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, those, those, well, you know what, your legs are straight up and they're, they're flat, your feet are flat. You can't do it. You got the xylophone wall that just, just, you're hearing everybody's business next door. I don't recommend it. You remember your roommate? You remember who it was? Like, your little timer. Yeah. Plus his heart. So, not earnest, boy. Jack Helum. Maybe it might have been Jack Helum. I don't think, yeah, I would go if it was like, you know, basically kids had glamping like if it was, that I love. I do, I've done, I did. When I was, when I was your son's eight, I was 15. I did a three and a half week canoe trip up in Northern Ontario. And it was, that was 1985. And we got dropped off on the side of a road. And it was, yeah, three and a half weeks of canoeing and it was ended up being a whole thing and we were got way behind because the maps were so old. So we had to portage every day for the last eight days. Portage. And we had to get, we had to get rescued by, we paddled into this bay and we were like, we were, we knew we were way behind and we had to meet a bus at a, at a, at a highway. And we knew we were hundreds of kilometer miles or whatever behind. And we were late paddled. We paddled into a bay that we didn't, you didn't see anybody. And there was none, there were no roads up there. There's nothing. It was way up Northern Ontario and we, we got, we, we paddled on this corn. There was a cabin there. We saw some people there and they dropped, sometimes they'd drop people a lot of Americans off for fishing for a week and see plain. And there's a couple there and we paddled up to their, their dock. And they're like, you boys okay. By the way, I'd never let my, we were all 15 and then the two guides were 18, right? So the five, five, five of us and then, and then two guides. And we're like, we're, we're kind of in trouble. And at which point the plane that it, that worked for that company, drove by and saw our canoes and came and he landed. And he said, and asked us what the situation is. He said, okay, well, we'll get in touch with somebody. You know, this is way before cell phones and all that shit. And we were like, what's going to happen? And then like two hours later, we see a twin-autor come and land. And it's the Ministry of Natural Resources. And they picked us up. We strapped a couple of our canoes to the pontoons. And we, and we took off and we got out of there. The craziest thing was at the end of this bay, there were these two small islands really close together. And on each island was a, a wing. And we're like, what's that? And they're like, oh, back in the 50s, a plane tried to take off. But it was too heavy and it didn't make it. And the cheered up both wings. Oh my god. And we're like, are we okay? And then guys like, you know, pushpile. He's like, oh yeah, we'll be fine. And they know we're, no worries. And I'm like, wow. Were you scared? Did you get, did you remember that? Yeah, I, you know, about day, about day four, of us being way behind, we started to get a little bit scared. It was really, we were, it was just, we were out there. And we was like, nobody knew where we were. And so anyway, I couldn't eat when they broke for first team. I had to wait till background. I had to eat one background date. And oh my guys, I've got line. I'm saying a couple of lines today. And we're going to want you to hold my seat. Yeah, yeah, my side. And holding. And then we'll let you know we got to get first team through first. And then I got to eat when background eight. But I made it, I made it. I made it, you made it. Oh, you look great, Jay. Walton, you grew up in Georgia. What, can you say, got to top that? Anything specifically from that area that has shaped you into the kind of actor you are today. I mean, I guess you're sort of, you're basically, basically, it's a season you a bit, right? I was going to say this. I don't know if it's Georgia, but also the way that you live your life and you're talking about the stuff you do. You have such an unbelievably free wheeling style. And I mean, that is the greatest as such a compliment. You bring something to every sort of role that you do. You bring this kind of, yeah, this life, like this kind of free willing thing that is so fucking alive and fantastic every time you light it up, man. Yeah. And I wonder if that is because of your background, dude. I've been exposed to stuff, you know, he's got things to draw on. Look, that's a lot coming from this, this group of men because I am so happy. I'm such big fans of all of you as you know. I mean, Sean, you don't, but I am. Well, that's very sweet. Like, guys, I know this is what I genuinely live every day like it's my last day. And what I mean by that is, you know, I know what it's like to be hungry. I know what it's like to be cold. I know what it's like to be uncomfortable. Yeah. I know now what it's like to wear really nice clothes and people, like, because I've had this beautiful one. Do wear them well. And wear, well, that's very kind of you say, but, but I, you know, it's like, well, why, why do you think these people are letting you wear these clothes? I said, because I'm wearing them like, I'll never get to wear them again. And that's the truth. But why, you know, we have a friend. And I mean that, and that's okay too. We have, like, you do have an allergy to buttons though. And just like just, I do. I just got an allergy to sleep. Please. And what is it for you to, you're in a fight with the clothes. You're not, you're not. Hey, now I'm taking my cues off Richard Deer. I'm taking my, I'm taking my cues off Richard. I didn't know what I did a movie with Richard, man. I did a movie with Richard, like, this is more a few years ago. And, and it was with, with, with Dinklage and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, we were sitting there. And it was really, really tired. It's a long, long day. And, and I looked at him, and I said, man, I'm, I'm so tired. I'm, I'm really tired. You must be tired, Richard. And he said, you know what, you're right, I am. I'm very tired. He said, but you know the difference between you and me? I said, no, man, what's the difference? He said, tomorrow morning when I wake up, I'll still be richer gear. I'm a mother fucker. And you all, you motherfucker, man. You're exactly right. You know what I'll be. So it's okay, you're okay. That's really funny. Now, all right. So you pack up from Georgia. Pack up from Georgia. Georgia Southern University, I think I got that right. And you do a year there and you say, you want to know what? I think I know what I want to do. So you jump, did you ride horseback from Georgia out to Los Angeles? Yeah, I did. I rode a horse. So you said, I've seen this entire nation. Yeah, I saw you pull over. I rode around to go out with the Northern Root, then came back. And took a Southern Root. So you pull in to Los Angeles there at 19. And how many years old? You start the process of chasing the dream. And was it a difficult thing to get an agent and get auditions right away? Did you have a colorful first job because sort of pay the bills during this process? What was it? Was that first year? Well, I was, look, we all have our stories, right? I mean, there was no way I was ever going to go to New York vertically integrated. New York City was way above my pay grade. I couldn't handle that living. Well, sorry, because you thought New York would be too expensive to live in? Well, too expensive, but so radically different, right? Yeah. And then the urban sprawl, I kind of grew up. Well, not sprawl, no. I grew up kind of like, you know, in the country with space, a little bit of space. And a big family, a little family? No, well, I mean, I, you know, I mean, I have a half brother now, but at the time, I mean, I was really kind of raised and only child. It was my mom and her three sisters and my grandmother and my cousin who's like, you know, she's my aunt's daughter, like my sister. And then all of these crazy, crazy Southern hippies, you know, like all of these guys, I had just a lot of people that kind of came through my life. Right. And I think that's too much of a cultural shock potentially. So maybe on some level, absolutely. But I also think that I was just really attracted to the West and the idea. I'm growing up in a place where the biggest view that you have is a football field, right? Because of all the pines and all the rest of it. I just love the idea of seeing from miles and any direction. And so yeah, I left, you know, in 19, you know, drove across country and with my dad, believe it or not. Oh, right. And I had, you know, a number, but I watched, I watched, I mean, I'm not without people in my life that were in this business, in the sense that my aunt was an actress and a theater and her husband, my uncle. So I grew up kind of watching them on stage. And, but you know, I really didn't, I mean, I like doing this, you know, I mean, I did like do. I didn't know this was what I was going to do for the rest of my life. I just really wanted to see. But when you landed day one, what do you do? Like, how do you, what was your plan? Well, I started working, right? And Atlanta. I mean, I started working like, there was a, yeah, like Kyle Chandler was this, you know, in this group and my buddy Ray McKinnon and, and just there was, there was a lot kind of going on in Atlanta at that time. And I got a few gigs there. And one was a pretty big one, you know, called Murder and Mississippi. And it was, it was nominated for like eight Golden Globes with a bunch of really great actors in it. And so I got an agent pretty quick, you know, because I come out and they said, come on out. What kind, I mean, yeah, I kind of that. I mean, I don't know. They were kind of reluctant. I don't know why they took me to be quite honest with you. But I, you know, I didn't, I didn't know, I mean, I had a guy's phone number and, and I, when I first got dropped off at the old quits, no, I got dropped off at this woman. I met, I worked with her husband and, and she was like a manager and I actually put this like on my inside version of it on my Instagram. But I dropped off at this apartment woman, her husband picked me up and I got back to her apartment like right off like Sierra Bonita and Hollywood Boulevard. And, and, you know, and she asked me to sign this paper and I said, I just, I don't really know. I don't think I should do that. I don't even know what I am. And she said, well, you know, if you don't sign it, then you have to leave. Uh-huh. So, I don't, I don't have anywhere to go. Like, and she said, well, you got to figure that out. I said, well, can I just spend the night? I'll be out of here first thing in the morning. She said, yeah. And I left, you know, first thing the next morning and I had an audition actually with a, a cast arrangement by the name of Pam Dixon. And, uh, and I sat, I was there, you know, four and a half hours early and with my luggage. And, uh, and she said, what, you've been out here the whole time. I said, I just, yeah, you know, so we'll just bring you stuff inside. Just hang out. And I did and didn't get the job. But, uh, afterwards I had a phone number from a guy that I'd worked with and I ran into at a Rio Bravo in Atlanta that I called it and he answered the phone and pay phone, right? And he said, yeah, man, I'll come pick you up. You can stay with us. And that was kind of it. That was the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, I had 300 bucks, you know, in my pocket. And, um, and then got a job like everybody else, you know, what's up? What were you doing? Uh, LA Fitness. Sure. Um, uh, you know, 5 a.m. Nine a.m. shift making for you checking folks in or were you personal checking them in, man? Yeah. Yeah. The shiver locker keys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like there was nobody else. Shower slippers. Yeah. And, uh, and do you remember where that was, which LA Fitness that way? Yeah. Oxnard and co-water. Oh, in the valley. Yeah. Oh, with the rock-a-ball courts. He used to play rock-a-ball in there. Oh, dude, you matter of facts. They did. Yeah. Did they have that? Yeah, sure. They used to write that in the LA River. Would you play there with, uh, with Schwartz? Yeah. Johnny Schwartz. Shwartz. You guys play there? Shwartz. Kick my ass, everything. And where were you living at that point? I mean, were you living in the top of the sunset tower? That's where he kept his horse. Um, I was starting your journey in Los Angeles. Yeah. Listen, I will say, well, it's not surprising. Again, I'm going to get down to just what I know from you over the years and that you, that this stuff opened up because you come at life with such a great positive attitude. And it is a really great not to get to weird, but it is a great example of you come out, you just, you make a call, you're open, you're, you're, you're very positive and you kind of get in life what you put into it. And you, it's almost like, I, I think that that lesson, again, that you gave your son, I mean, this is all part of a bigger if you kind of take a broader view that you've just got this great vibe. And again, I just, I, it's no surprise to me, man. Yeah. People want to hang out with you. Yeah. How do you say? Well, I mean, look, look, we all have our path, right? And what, you know, what, how did we, how did we get that first shot? How do we get a second job? How do we get a third? How did decade later, 20 years later? I mean, hell, we have, I've been at this 30, 30 something years, 35 years. Yeah. And I, you know, I don't, I just don't compare myself to anybody else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've got like, we have a lot of friends in common. Yeah. I've got a lot of friends who are a lot more successful than I am and a lot that aren't. And, and, and, but it's, they're, it's the same, right? It's just, we're all the same. Yeah. Yeah. It is. I mean, we really are. It is a, Sean, Sean was saying something interesting because we were talking about this thing and went to the other night and Sean said, isn't it funny that no matter what, we at a certain level, nobody thinks that they've made it. I don't care who you are. You're always trying to write, right? You're always, there's no, like people like, oh, you made it like, I haven't made it. I'm like, thinking about it. Right. Right. And I've got all that they say and this is great line. I just saw the movie, Jay Kelly, which is pretty good. George Clooney says, you know, he spent his whole life trying to get something that he thought he really wanted and then he got it and then he realized, oh, wait, I'm, it's not over. I got it now. I got to keep it. You know, it's like, so no matter where you are, either if you think you're there, you still got to work on trying to keep it. If you care to, you know, right? They'll put your quote, do you think they'll put your quote on the poster, JB, Jay Kelly, pretty good. Pretty good. Why not? On the back. Yeah, it sucks that boulevard. There it is. It's pretty good. I highly recommend. I'm impressed. Can I ask you gentlemen something? Do you ever, do you, do you get insecure walking into a room? I mean, yes, in general, right? Every day. Every day. Every moment. Yeah. Yeah. Walking into a room. With, you know, like an event or like a bunch of actors or writers or directors or, you know, like something affiliated with this. Yeah, I don't get insecure about status because I don't care about it. I get insecure about carrying a conversation. Carrying a conversation. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. I made a terrible conversation. No, no, but the work that it takes for me to get up to being a good conversationalist is exhausting. Yeah, it's exhausting being interested in somebody you don't, you're sitting next to at a table with placards with your name on it next to somebody you don't know and you have to like, start off scratch. Hey, what's going on? Like you're not in me. So I get anxiety about that, but not so much about like status. I don't care about status. No, no, not anymore. No, weirdly, I think it's a, I think that I'm just naive and I don't know what it is that I'm blessed with that. It's kind of like, you know, they're just like, I just don't have any sense. Yeah, I had a really cool, I was doing this interview thing the other day. It's going to come out, but that, and I had the pleasure of sitting next to Benito Del Toro and the woman said, like the said night. Yeah, and the woman said, she said, you know, this idea of impoloster syndrome, she said, do you ever, you guys ever have the, except from imposter syndrome and she said, Benito and he goes, what is that? And I was like, oh man. That's a wow. That's a cool. So, it's going to go, no, you know that thing and he goes, I don't know what that is. I was like, fuck. Yeah, that would make me feel even more of a repository. I was like that. But it was so dope and it was. It was so dope and it was. It was so cool, but at the same time, it was so cool because it was such a great sort of lesson of like, you don't have to, right? Like you can, you can try to, you can kind of let that go and he hasn't naturally in the most beautiful way, but like, oh yeah, you don't have to have it. You know, that's right. Yeah. You know, I've gotten aware, like, you know, I've just gotten, it scares me a little bit, you know, but I've gotten really comfortable at work. Yeah, it doesn't, you know what I mean? And that's not a feeling that I'm comfortable with. I like to be, when I'm working, I'm not very social. I'm alone. I'm just off doing my thing. Yeah, I like that. And then you kind of come in. I don't hang out and just small talk. I don't have the energy. I'm like, you Sean, I get exhausted. Yeah. I'm an introvert for Sean. Yeah. But you know what, David, you know, famous David, I just looked at David Bowie quote, it's, I love this. It's, you probably know it. Aging is an extraordinary process whereby you become the person you always should have been. Yeah. So all of the stuff that we're talking about, I think the older you get, the more you like, I can walk in our room because I, who gives a shout? I just had an extraordinary experience and I, who knows that it will translate, but I am up here doing this thing. Where are you by the way, man? I mean, I'm outside of, I mean, Montana and bow, outside of Bozeman, Montana. He's in the back of an end and out. And I'm doing this. I have the pleasure of doing these scenes with the great Michelle Fyfe, or Jay, what do you call her? M5? Mischief, Mischief, Mischief. Mischief, Mischief. Yeah. And, and she's still brilliant. And, and I just had this moment and I think it's age. I don't know if it's age or what it is. And I could just say it honestly that I was just there doing this thing and we're shooting on the edge of this river that's out there, that's beautiful. It's just, what I'm looking at is insanely beautiful and then snow cap mountains in the, in the distance and the thing. And we're about to go, what am I doing in the scene and what am I doing? And I just went like, oh man, I literally was like, anything can happen. Just enjoy it. Just be right here. Yeah. And then it was just like unreal. Like, yeah, I'm just like letting go and I don't think I could have done it as a younger man and I think that as I'm getting older, I just let go of so many. So, yeah, because, well, because you asked that, do you have that? Because you asked us that, do you have, are you still? Well, I guess my, what I was kind of getting at just to hear your experiences. Yeah, I, I think that I, I, I just carried so much of the, the, the people that I've got to play, you know, it's the, they're pretty lonely, you know, they're, you know, nefarious and they got a lot going on and they're under a lot of, a lot of pressure mentally and emotionally, for the most part. And, and so I quite enjoy kind of being in that, in that, in that state, in that place, especially, you know, at work. But, but, you know, something, you know, happened recently where, where I, it's similar, but I, I just showed up like, yeah, I, how are you? I was just not, and I was there. I, I, I'd read the script 200, 50, I know, I know what's happening. But I, all of a sudden, I just, I didn't need that anymore. I mean, it's like the difference between, you know, your 20s and your 30s and then, yeah, for me becoming a father at 39, so let's call it 40s and then learning how to be a parent. Oh, God, oh, God. Now, I'm a parent. I'm in my 50s and I'm, and that's okay. I'm, I know how to be a parent. Yeah. I feel like I, I, I, I know how to tell stories. And I just, I enjoy it more than I've ever enjoyed it. So it's just a new experience for me. Right. Like I, I don't, I don't have that. But it's freeing though, right? It is so free, man. Yeah, I love it is. It's so free. I love it. We'll be right back. And now back to the show. Well, do you feel that, um, because, you know, we're, we, we, we do this thing. We're playing people and I think, I think all four of us are interested in playing people that, that don't have it all together. People that are, that are, that are somewhat broken and an interesting way and vulnerable and human and have flaws and all that stuff. And have you, have you felt like you've, you know, we're talking about as we get older, we get better, right? It just, just, just as people. So do you think that that's at odds with playing characters that don't have it all together? Like, is we're starting to get our shit together as we get older? It's sort of at odds with playing characters that are, that are a little bit broken. And then, in fact, as you get more and more successful, maybe, you know, we were joking about earlier, you kind of get a little bit soft because things are sort of privileged around you and luxurious and stuff. Is it, do you, do you fight that sort of embrace of success? Does it go against what you like to, to live in? I know that's a, that's a great question. And I would ask you all to answer that question too. But because I think we're told a lie, you know, early on that, you know, you got a, you got a struggle, you got a, you know, you got to live in it. You have to be, you have to be fucked up to play fucked up people. Right. Right. And the truth is, oh man, you don't, you can just be really evolved. Right. And, and, and, and not create distance between yourself and that experience, actually really empathize with, with these people. And, and I think that's where I've gotten to in my life. And outside of, I, I generally empathize with human beings. I believe that all of our paths are by nature narcissistic. We cast ourselves as the antagonist and the protagonist in our own story. And we just watch how we interface with the fucking world. For sure. When you step outside of that, when you really step outside of that narcissistic DNA quality of survival, all of a sudden the world just becomes, it's just easier. Mm-hmm. Life is easier. It's just calmer. And, and I'm, I'm calmer. And, and I, and I feel that happening kind of in, uh, in my professional life. It's, it's happened. God, I had such a hard time. I watched you guys on Kimmel, you know, the three of you on Kimmel. Yes. And, and, uh, and I, and I, and I, I listened, I saw you, Sean, and I saw like how far, you know, you sat into kind of speaking about your anxiety. And I, and I had, I still have it on some level, but I had it. I really had it. And it's also a little bit of a superpower, but yeah. It is a superpower. And it, and, and getting ready to walk into a room for people that experienced that. And it's like, you gotta, okay, I'm gonna show, because I show up for shit. You know what I mean? That's right. I show up for a conversation and nothing just happens. That's right. I show up for everything. And if you put that much into it, if you care that much about it, well, then, then it's not performative. It's not a performance. Right. But you're, it's, it takes a lot from you. And on the other side of that, you know, you gotta just be alone and quiet and kind of do all of that. And I, I envy people that can just, just fucking move through it, man. Right. Without, without, I'm not expending like a ton of energy. And still be just as charming and I'm at the rest of it. I know. I know. Yeah, but I wonder if that, because there have been times when I have been, uh, less insecure and really kind of just cruise through it and not just, and I just don't feel like, well, I might have a lesser level of anxiety. I just don't feel like I'm participating as much. I don't feel like I'm, I'm feeling the day as much. I like, I like being insecure in as many things and situations as I can. I just feel like I'm a little bit more eyes open, ears open, heart open. If, if I am, I, I worry when I get too comfortable. Anyone. Yeah. All right. So, so you, uh, so you, you, you come out to LA, you start working. Um, do you remember what that job was that gave you a little bit of like, uh, oh, wow. I think I might be able to make a living at this. Some people have raised some eyebrows. Um, I'm getting some calls. Was, was there one that kind of initiated the momentum that you've, you've kept going since then? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A very specific, right? Yeah. We've all had many, uh, before this happened and after this happened events in our, in our life. And, uh, and I, I, I've all apart. I saw cowboy boots that I became a personal trainer at the same gym that started this thing. And I did all of that. And, um, and then I, I got this, uh, movie, uh, called the Apostle with Robert DeVol. Mm-hmm. And, um, he's so good. You're so good. And I love that movie. You're great. But I was, I was 24 years old. And it was, uh, through the process of kind of, you know, telling that story and, uh, and the relationship that I, I had with, with Bobby on the other side of that, that I felt like, okay, I can, you know what, man, because I always were. And I worked as soon as I got here. I was very, very fortunate. Yeah. And I, you know, poor kid, Georgia, I just squirreled it away always and just lived off whatever I made doing, whatever job that I was doing. But at that point, I thought, well, you know what, I'm just gonna, I'm, I'm not gonna do that anymore. And I'm, and I'm just gonna, you know, focus kind of on, on this and, um, and then, you know, I don't think people really knew what to do with me because on the other side of that, thinking my manager, who was actually sitting here, was, was my manager then, and, uh, and she, you know, leaned in my ear or somebody that she was with leaned in my ear and said, hey man, you're nice about it, James. Ah, that's good. Because it was a Toronto film festival, whatever. And then on the other side of it, people just thought, well, this, this guy's just fucking from there. And he's just a local hire. I thought you weren't even like, you weren't even like an actor. You were real, exactly. It's like, oh, okay. What a compliment. I guess, it is to Bobby DeVol, you know, that's what he says. But, uh, but, and then I just kept cruising, you know, I just said, yes, in life more than I said no, and, and I, you know, my 20s weren't under a microscope. I just got to do my thing. Yeah. But now, but now when you walk down the street, you're getting stopped. Yeah. You have been for years, but how is it, what's your relationship with, with that? Do you feel like those are two separate people, the person that the public, uh, recognizes wants to talk to? Or have you, have you, have you been able to incorporate that into what seems to be an incredibly authentic person from the very beginning? You've, you've been very tapped into keeping it real, not being full of shit, no artifice, no veneer, uh, yet the public basically has a say on who they think you are as well. And sometimes fame, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a discomfort with, with, with, um, with merging those two things. Have you, have you made a fan of that? A fan? Oh, you know what? I honestly, and I, and I, whether you like it or whether you don't, whether you like me or you don't like me, I am me. Yeah. And I, I am me, uh, privately, I am me publicly. Somebody that knows me very, very well listening to this podcast will say, yeah, he's the, the exact same. And when, like, you know, interfacing with people on the street, yeah, this is no bullshit. This is how I, because editing yourself everywhere you go is exhausting too. It's like, oh, I got to be different. Yeah, because the person who's not full of shit, who's no BS would, would be at a dinner table and enjoying your conversation with your friend. And then a fan would come up and ask for a picture or something. The person who's like truly no bullshit would say, hey, man, I'm having dinner. I can't do that right now. But like this like an example, Russell would say that. Kurt Russell did say that. I rolled somebody out who said like, I'm a pilot. He's like, no, you're fucking not. I tell me about this thing. But I'm really, that's not my personality. Sure. Like, that's not where I come from. That's not how it was raised. And for me, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I really mean this, man, when I'm, when I'm stopped on the street, yeah, I mean, I get it, it's, it's, it's, it is, it has been a lot and it has been a lot of the last two or three years. But honestly, man, I feel like I can provide for my family. It just means that somebody else is going to hire me. And, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I genuinely love meeting people. I don't, I don't, I don't, no, I just, I don't, I live my life differently in that way. And I, and I don't, I never meet a stranger. I like, you know, even where we live now, which is radically different than where we've lived our entire life. You know, I wasn't, my friends are the, the painter and the drummer and, and then, and the artist and all the rest of it. But that's, man, listen, I was raised in a household with crazy fucking Southern hippies, crazy, like, like insane. And with love with love. Yeah, absolutely, but certifiably in, and insane in the best way. And we all are, like a Christmas at our house, like with, you know, one little, heater, whatever, more often than not, somebody would go to the store and then whoever went to the store would come back with three or four people and that would happen to a couple people who would come back. So then all of a sudden, like, and a, like, this, you know, family of whatever, yeah, it would be like 25 people sitting in our, around our Christmas tree that were, you know, when we had food and then we would go, because we didn't have gifts for them, we would just go pick out, you know, I remember giving my Atari like pitfall game to somebody. Just like my mom said, just go in there and pick out something you can give away. And I went in and picked and wrapped it up in a Christmas present. I'd just been playing it like all morning and you know, and gave it out like that's kind of what we did. And that's, you know, I don't know. It's just kind of how I live my life. I love that. Wait, I just wanted to ask, well, like, you know, we could go through tons of your stuff, hateful H and go, Cowboys and Aliens, the unicorn, like all those great things that you've done. What? And then you feel the shield and anyway, it's just showing. I'm not, but only because it's the big recent massive thing is white lotus, right? Yeah. It's like you were so fucking great in that. And it was such a great season and the world watches that show. It does. Yeah, it's so massive. That must have looked different. And you got to work with your buddy, Sam Rockwell. Our pal, Sammy Rock. Yeah, I love Sam Rockwell. That must have been fun. But shooting in Thailand must have been, well, maybe not for you. You probably loved all that the fucking hot, sweaty conditions, right? Lots of open-toed shoes. Yeah, just like, okay, like in the Trout of your own wardrobe. I went to, I went to that part of the world 18 years ago. It's a long story. I've said it so I won't repeat it here. But I went all over Southeast Asia. Once I got to a certain point in my life after studying, like, I didn't, I didn't party really in my 20s. You know, I just, I was hyper focused on what it was. I was asking myself to do. I didn't go to, I mean, I went to Roxbury. Well, the Brown Derby, right? Or the Brown, you know, all the places over in Los Felis with a lane and what's the name of the place? Yeah, sure. Anyway, I did all of that. But barely. And so then when I turned 30 years old and we were on the second year of the shield, they're after the first year of the shield, I just said, you know what? This is my time. Now, I'm just going to finish a job and I'm going to take off and go somewhere in the world and just hang out and get to know that place. And I, and I've done that now, you know, a family and family for God. I mean, I'm 54 years old. So I've been doing that for 24 years. It gives you some, but it just gives you such a richness of life that's not just about the doing this stuff. It gives you real world experience though, Sean and I talked about this all the time. Yeah. Like having that kind of real world experience and getting out of the world is important, man. How do you do that? How do you, how do you find something new to bring back to the table? I mean, I try to do that too. I try to get out of the way. I think it's a wheelchair set. I have to force myself to get out of the house. So, so I have put on CNN International. I'll just see how it's all going. I like to go places, man. Yeah, you got to get out of the house. I need what I need to do now. When Jason asked me to go to the Dodgers game, I was like, yeah. And by the way, never been like to a Dodgers game and like those seats, but just as far as an experience goes, it's like, wow, I have that in my brain now. Yeah. And you didn't take the 101. You took sunset all the time. That was new for you too. That was an adventure. And it was an 18-inning game. Oh my God. Oh my God. That was great. And now, what about to talk before we let you go? Tell us about Fallout. Tell us about it. So you've made a friend of the three hour makeup session. It's certainly worth it. My God. What an incredible job they do with you. It's a big, it's a, you know what we got to do is, you know, you get a call from Jonathan Nolan. The first word out of your mouth is yes. Right. Read the scripts afterwards. One of the writers was a, she wrote Tomb Raider and she was a friend of mine, Geneva, a door at Robertson and Graham Wagner. I knew through some friends, it was just a fan of his really. But it started, it was all on the page. I didn't know how they would tell this story. And it was a lot. Like day one was really intense thinking like, man, I'm too old for this shit. Like I don't know how I can pull this off. It was in New York. It was like 99 degrees with a heat index of like 106. And then we just go ahead. No, just to see your makeup like it's like, you don't have a nose. No. So how do they do have a nose? I know, but how do they do? How do they get rid of your nose? You know, I, they, it's, it's called CGI. Oh, okay. Oh, I don't know. I thought it was like, yeah, okay. Still there. Yeah, they do that like in, in the post. So people see me when I, when I do my nose, actually, I just saw these, uh, screeners that they send out everybody. And one scene, uh, they didn't do the effects on you yet for the process. Like, oh, fuck, that's my nose. Now, do you have to put, do you have to act with like a tracking mark on the tip of your nose? Yeah, I didn't affect me because I can't see it. But yeah, is there like a little extra dot or a green is five dots or four, one, two, three, four, four dots. Wow. I'll see you photo. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it, and it, and it came out and it was really well received and it became, you know, one of the biggest shows in the, in the, in the world, I mean, it really is a global experience. I mean, this game, you know, resonates so deeply with so many people all over the world. And we got an opportunity to do it again and, uh, and jump right back in there. I've been on a, on a, on a long run. One of the best pilots I've ever done. I mean, the first episode I've seen, it's, it's amazing. Thanks, man. Did you shoot the second season back in New York, too? No, no, no, we're in, an LA now, man. We're nice. We're here. Yeah. And then, and it feels, it feels good to, to be back here and to work with an LA crew, you know, to see all of these rare to work here. Yeah. It's so, so tough here in this town right now, but it feels great to look out and go, yeah, we're back home. And so we did it. We did season two and look, we've all been down these roads a number of times and you know that if you get this first season, if you can get a critical mass to like it, and I knew it with a shield and with justified and would like to write jump stones or any of these things that, that you have an opportunity to do something transcendent. Really? I mean, if you, if you can play it safe, or you can go for it. And, uh, and that's what, you know, everybody did and, and we're, you know, it's about it's coming out on, on December 17th and, uh, on Amazon. Yeah, man, and we're, we're really, really, really excited about what you always go for. You always go for it. As I said at the top, you, you never drop us. You take us with you. You carry us safely, uh, on these great creative, sort of journeys that you, that you take us on. Oh, dude, what was the show that you and Danny did that killed me? That was the other one before. Vice principal vice principal. Vice principal dude. Dude, okay. Well, anything you guys killed me in that dude. Thanks, brother. Yeah. I, I would, I'd give a limb to, to work with you one day, buddy. So my, my fingers are crossed. Like I say, um, this will have to do until then. Thank you so much for coming on the show and talking to us. Well, you're just a legend, dude. You are. I'll buy you a glass of whatever you want, whatever I see you next to, uh, I look forward to, just take me on a horseback ride. You know, I got to get a whole shirt. Anything. What if, what if I, what if I, what if I, what if you woke up with me in Mongolia? In a tent in Mongolia, I would need a, I would need a few batteries. It had to be a lot of batteries in there. Okay, man. All right, y'all. I'm proud of you. Take it. Take it. Take it. Yeah, you both are nice. I'm great to see you do. All right, I'll see you soon. Bye, bud. Okay. Yeah. I like that slam. He slammed it. He did it. I love him. Yeah. I know. Well, I feel a little, I do feel a little seasoned just, you've just even talking to him. I don't need to go to Mongolia. Just you know, by the way, those are the kind of guys like, obviously we have tons and tons of favorite episodes. This is one of my favorite ones. Like that guy, I can talk to you forever. He's so great. He's his love. That's a good, great. His lust for life is just incredible and infectious. Would you want to invite him over? It's funny. He talks about walking to in a room. Every time he walks in a room, he lights it up and it's a key when it's, it's not put on. That's so funny to hear him say that. As I said, I saw him the other night. He just comes in and he just has this like, ah, Juad the Vivro as we say. He's got sparkle. A little fairy dust. He does have sparkle. He was talking about, when you were talking about your experience, the outdoor thing, I wanted to tell my story about my camp when I went to camp. Oh, let's hear that. As a kid, I went to music camp at Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp in Michigan and it was in the middle of the woods and that's my only kind of outdoor long term woodsie kind of thing. Sure. Anyway, who cares? Yeah. But after two weeks of being in the camp in the middle of the woods, I was ready to say, my that