A Grizzly Encounter in Yellowstone - A Roundup of Recent Animal Encounter News Including a Violent Bear Attack in Yellowstone, an Elephant Pants-ing a Tourist, Big Cats in Thailand, and More

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This is tooth and club podcast, and I'm our main host, Jeff Larson, and then I have my two helpers, West Larson and Mike Smith, and it's a podcast where we kind of just talk about anything and everything. That's not true. Well, it kind of is, I guess. This is a podcast where we talk about animal attacks and what people can learn from them and how these animals are often demonized in the news, which we'll be talking about today on our new episode. That's a better job describing it. Thanks for helping Jeff out. We are his helpers after all. We are. Yes, this is what it turns out we are. You're the tech guy. I'm the science guy. There's probably a better way to explain our dynamic to you. You're just shooting from the hip there. Can't blame me too much. It's just, did you do an escape room last night? Yeah. Did you get out? It wasn't that good. I was wondering what they count as successful, because the lady at the end when we weren't going to make it just kind of started walking us through everything. Technically, we made it out with like a minute left, but it's like a lot of help. It's kind of one where they assumed you just like know things and it's like if you don't, you just are stuck forever. There's like music notes and none of us knew how to read music notes and you had to people read the music notes. Yeah, that kind of throws you off, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. You got to know what's the acronym? Every good boy deserves chocolate or whatever. Like the notes are sending up the, there's some acronym for it. It's a very creepy acronym. That's like a guy rolling down his window and saying that to some kids on the street. Plus it's like not even true because bad boys like chocolate too. Or is it every good boy deserves chocolate? I don't know. Yeah. I think bad boys deserve a little chocolate. I think so too. I think I think I need to start going like regularly to escape rooms though. Yeah. Because like 30 minutes in, I started getting a really bad headache and I was like, man, I must not be thinking enough in general. That's just like whoa. I got the worst headache ever. So I got sunglasses on right now. I'm feeling it still. There's, there's other ways. When you work out for the first time in forever, that's how my brain is right now. It's just like laying on the floor. It's just like, oh my god. What did you do to me? That would be kind of funny if you just decided the only way you can train your brain is by going to escape rooms. And there's like literature and puzzles and what's your thing? Who Dean you would have been so smart. He would have been doing equals mc squared instead of that other guy. Yeah. That old guy. I'm Stein. Well, I'm glad you made it out, Jeff. This one's the same without you. We're in our main host. We need our main host here. Anything else you guys want to report before we get into our news stories for the week? No. I'm tired. I'm tired of band talking. I got nothing. I had to, I had to feed some pigs this morning because Jesse's gone, which was the one thing I said I'd never do, but I did it. You have pigs. That's right. We knew you had pigs. We have two pigs and I is what I said. I would never help with them because I didn't want to do anything with the pigs, but I also enjoy some time alone from, you know, from time to time. And Jesse said she would leave for a couple days, but that I would have to take care of the pigs. So smart, just like Jesse. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good, good exchange. It sounds like. Yeah. And they didn't eat me. They didn't kill me. I didn't trip and fall and they didn't kill me. So they won't have been. Yeah. That would have been bad for us. It would have helped with one story. That's true. We would have had like one episode worth a story, but we would have announced a lot of credibility. Would have been a banger. We could have turned that into a two-parter, at least. Get the background of it. Yeah. Yeah. The whole life story. I would hope that you guys would make a two-parter regardless of how I die by animal. Yeah. Sure. Bring Tom Smith on. Be like, hey Tom, tell us about Wes. Maybe bring your mom on. Yeah. She's just shouting out listeners the whole time. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about the news story. Let's do it. So for any new listeners, this is a news episode where we just cover recent attacks that have happened throughout the world. And you know what? Summer months tend to be the productive, most, most attacks that we find. So they're not always like once. Sometimes we do some just interesting animal news stories too. But mostly that's a good point. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. Just wanted to make sure, you know, I kept on your toes. When we like to count them, calm encounters, too. So that's, yeah, that's on me. That's a good point. Yeah. All right. So Wes, what's our first encounter? Well, I'm going to do one that kind of hits close to home. And when I started working at Yellowstone, I'm going to be honest with you guys and just say something that maybe I might get a little flack for. Part of me really wanted there to be a mulling while I was working with bare management at Yellowstone. And it's because I have worked in bare conflict for so long. And I've learned so much about all these stories. But I've never been like the first one on the scene or someone that's like responded to a bear that mulled someone. And that was just an experience I wanted to have. Be careful what you wish for a type of scene. Maybe, maybe. But I will say like my colleagues that have done it, they always kind of talk about it in hush tones. But you could always kind of tell it was like a highlight for them. And something they it was like a story they liked telling, you know, you guys sickos. Oh my gosh. These are the people in charge of keeping a safe out there. I don't know. Well, you know, Mike, I'm not out there anymore. So thank goodness. Yeah. Anyway, Yellowstone had averaged about one mulling per year for the last few decades. But then when I started, there weren't any mullings for a few years. And then I left Yellowstone. You were right. We need to get you back out there. No. Quit the podcast. Get out there. You're better use. No, the drought would start up again. Yeah. True. That's yeah. I guess that is a good thing. Anyway, the drought is over. On Friday, September 16th, a 29 year old hiker was attacked by a bear while walking the turbid lake trail near Mary Bay in Yellowstone National Park. This hiker had been hiking alone on this trail when he apparently surprised the bear. And he tried to use his bear spray. But the bear made contact with him first. And then I think he was able to successfully deploy some of his spray. So he sustained significant but not life-threatening injuries to his chest and his left arm. So basically this bear made contact. Maldon a bit. He managed to get some spray off. It ended the encounter. Then he was able to call for help and medical personnel responded. Walked him out of the trail and got him to the hospital. So you're right. That does sound fun. Yeah. Well, I, I mean, it would be more interesting to investigate if it's a fatality or something. I'm just giving you a good one. I don't want anyone to die. Yeah. But the more fun part of it for the managers, and I shouldn't say fun, but the interesting part, I think that is interesting in these things, is then responding to the situation afterward. Like what do you do with this bear? If it is kind of something that seems like a, you know, behavior that's not normal, then you do have to do something. This seemed like very normal behavior. They actually found a carcass nearby. Lots of tracks. He thought it was a black bear. But this is like, if I were to tell someone one place to go in the park to see grizzly bears, I would tell them to go right where this guy was hiking. So it's almost certainly grizzly bear. They found lots of grizzly tracks in the area. And there was a carcass near this trail. So almost certainly a grizzly. This is a, like a pretty dangerous part of the park to be hiking around in. I probably wouldn't do it, especially alone. It's just prime, prime, prime grizzly bear habitat. He was flew, he was flown to a hospital. He was released this last Wednesday. And I'm just really happy at Bear Spray because he avoided a more serious outcome. And I got to avoid some more phomo for not being there when a fatality happened, you know. So, yeah. Good job on that guys part. Thanks for spending. I don't know. I'm not sure anymore. I think the last fatality was 2015. And we'll talk about that one at some point. But Yellowstone's on a good little streak with their, their conflict prevention. And I think a lot of that is due to some of the work that they do with bears like hazing. Yeah, some of the stuff I did there, not me personally, but the bear management team. And then a lot of it is good education too. There's a lot of signs and pamphlets and stuff, telling people about the, you know, the risks of hiking and recreating in bear country. So our bears, the job Yellowstone, still the leading source of fatal encounters in Yellowstone. No, not even close. Not even close. What is that? So in the, in the whole history of the park, there's been eight fatalities from bears. There had been hundreds of drownings. I think that's number one. No false. I think falls are number one than drowning. But as far as animals are concerned, as far as animals, I would guess it's bison. I bet bison have killed a fair number more than bears. Bears are probably second though. Yeah, I don't think mosquitoes kill anyone in Yellowstone. Bears are probably second after. Elk probably have, but I guess grizzlies are number two after bison would be my guess. But like dozens of people have fallen into hot springs and died there. I mean, bears aren't even the top 10, I would guess, for when it comes to fatalities in the park. Imagine when the super volcano explodes bears, their stats not going to look impressive at all. No, not at all. Versus 8 billion or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, stay safe out there guys. It is, it's fall bears aren't hyperfagious. So they're trying to put on as much weight as possible before they den. So this is a high risk time if you're in grizzly country, especially. So just make sure you have bear spray, make sure you're making plenty of noise because this was a surprise encounter, the bear didn't do anything unnatural. They're not trying to do anything to the spare. They're just going to leave it. This was very much natural behavior for the spare. Got you. Yeah. All right. Well, I have a grizzly bear one as well. So I'll just go. I was put on to this one from a listener named Scotty and it's a friend sister in law. This happened to out in Knai. Is that a Knai Alaska? Yeah. This is where Tom has his cabin. Oh really? Tom's death. Wes's mentor and professor of fair amount of time in Knai. Master. Sure. Master. Yeah. You guys basically just don't tombed all those bears listening out there. I'm the Igor to his Dracula. Or no. Is he or a Dracula guy or is that a Frankenstein guy Frankenstein Frankenstein? What was Dracula's little a renfield? I'm the renfield to his Dracula. Yeah. Just eating the worm tongue to his sour sour. Sour. Who is kind of the worm? Sour mon is kind of the worm tongue to sour on. It's a weird little daisy chain. You can and so on. It's kind of the worm tongue to morgoth. Exactly. Oh wow. Wow. How deep does this go? Tom Sauron is Stephen Herrero. Well Scotty put me onto this story because there is an active go fund me. So it is Aryan Fabrizio Colton. Is the go fund me? Is that really Aryan? Does look like Aryan. A-R-I-E-A-N. Okay. So the Colton family they just moved out to Alaska. I've thought about moving out to Alaska. I know Tom loves his little spot he has out there. Wes. Yeah. And it just seems like a really exciting time in this family's life. We had to go back a little there. So I don't know if I said this. She's a mother three. She's married. They're happily married. They're starting their family. They're starting another chapter in their family's life out in Alaska now. It just probably had an incredible summer since that's the main reason you go to Alaska. The winters are probably a little rough to get through. Miss Colton, she enjoyed running in the mornings and Wes. What's the worst time for a bear encounter? Early mornings are late evenings. So she liked to run early morning. Yeah. I would say those are not the worst time but that's like the highest probability time. So why wouldn't you say it's the worst time? Yeah. Because you said what's the worst time for a bear encounter? And I just feel like any time's a bad time for a bear encounter. But your highest probability time running into a bear is like early morning or semantics. You poned you dude, linguist. I was, you know, you got it. It was a little. She starts. She starts her morning run almost 6 a.m. still very early and makes it only about 50 yards from her house when a brown bear that was on the neighbor's property just like ran straight over to her and maul'd her. And it was molling her on the property. She got the wind knocked out of her so wasn't like yelling actively. But the neighbor heard barking and wolfing sounds of a bear. So Wes, you're really good at the wolfing sounds. Yeah. So he hears a bear out there. He thinks like maybe it got a dog in the neighborhood or maybe it has something. Didn't think too much of it. But then he kept hearing more and more. So he goes out and walks out and sees his female neighbor just like in the woods on his property. And immediately calls for help. But they're an hour and a half from a hospital. So it takes her really long time to get out to like actual hospital. But she's a loving wife, mother three, nurse known for like being an adventurous, having like a love of nature. And we just want to shout out her go fund me. So she sustained multiple broken ribs, a scapula fracture, a hand fracture, and went through surgery. But she's going to require more. She's unable to see out of her left eye right now and will continue extensive outpatient physical therapy. So that's Aryan Fabrizio Colton's go fund me if you want to go help out. Tooth and claw donated some money to it, go donate some money to it if you are able. Do you know what really sucks about, I mean, the unironically this sucks, you know, no matter what a bear encounters going to be rough. But I hate the idea of like getting up early and going out to do something healthy. And then just the least healthy possible thing happens to me. Yeah. You know, it's like now now you gotta go through physical therapy for just to be able to like try to be healthy again. Right. I was just like out on a run. That's all I was trying to do. At least like she didn't have to run for that long. That's true. Does it ever feel like you're a marketing professional just speaking into the void, but with LinkedIn ads, you can know you're reaching the right decision makers, a network of 130 million of them. In fact, you can even target buyers by job title industry company roles, seniority skills, company revenue. And did I say job title yet? Get started today and see how you can avoid the void and reach the right buyers with LinkedIn ads. 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Because usually, so usually in like the in the animal kingdom, what we think is most animals are doing their best to conserve energy whenever they can. You know, it's like their constant struggle is trying to get energy by way of food and conserve energy to survive. So it doesn't really make sense for many animals to like be wasting energy. I think the argument I would pose though is that males especially need to get pretty big for mating purposes a lot of the time. Like the strongest, biggest males get the most mating opportunities. So maybe they're like seeking ways to get like bigger and stronger. Yeah. I don't, yeah. I think I don't understand. No, I was just going to say I don't think that that's like a conscious thing. Yeah, but I don't think they know like the relationship between like physical activity and putting on eating protein powder. Right. Or like, or like working out, you know, I just don't, right. I think that's kind of more of a genetics thing than anything. So well, I got a story if you guys don't mind. It's not a grizzly bear, but it's kind of like a grizzly bear. So this is a story about an elephant. This happened August 13th, 2025. I'm titling this one. The many mistakes of our basavaraju. Why is it kind of like a grizzly bear? I walk on four legs. I don't know. Kind of. So I'm going to have you guys as I read through this story as I recount this story. Just call out any mistakes you hear this guy make basavaraju because he makes, he makes a handful. The incident began when basavaraju, he was walking in a restricted forest area in Kamataka, state of Southwest. There's a mistake mistake, right? Even maybe even a criminal in Franodika. Yeah. Yeah. Restricted forest. Kamataka. Yeah. Thank you. Karnautika. Yeah. Oh, is that R N R N? Karnautika. Yeah. Okay. It's in India, right? Yep. It's a yeah, Southwestern India. So I think he came up. I think he came up. As he was wandering around, he came upon an elephant who was just munching on some carrots by the side of the road. And the basavaraju, he's like, Hey, this is a pretty good photo opportunity. It's distracted by these carrots. This is this is get one in real quick. So he got as close as he dared pulled out his camera and then he turned his back to take a selfie with the elephant. Oh, that's not good. And mistake number two probably, right? Okay. Now and say so yet. Not yet. Okay. According to one of the bystanders, I mean, distracted by the carrots. That's true. You got to give him that the benefit of that doubt. So Daniel Asorio is on the scene witnessing this whole thing go down. The elephant was provoked by the camera flash is what Daniel is saying. And it immediately just rushed directly started charging right at basavaraju. Basava Raju. That's a mistake. I think so too, right? When you're taking a selfie, if you want something in the background, you don't use flash. Yeah. And it was like middle of the day. The sun was at not really. Well, I'm not a photographer. Maybe there is a use for flash. And that's a scenario, but that's what seemed to trigger the elephant. So the savaraju started running away. When he lost his footing, he was he ran kind of on the ditch by the side of the road. And as it went back up onto the tarmac, he slipped in face planet just right in the middle of a busy road. Oh, no. The elephant just immediately was on top of him trampling him and thankfully missed most of his upper body and like the vitals his head and stuff. But it did trample his legs pretty good. And now he's in the middle of the road getting trampled. And there's just a ton of people all around filming this event take place. I think I saw this video. The tough thing. Well, I mean, it's tough. But dad a little bit of insult to injury. The elephant ended up ripping his pants and his underwear completely off. So he's just like face down in the middle of the road without pants on. And people are just taking pictures and filming this happen. So mistake four, I'm going to say is not having a better belt. After so he got stepped on pretty good though. But thankfully, fortunately, he didn't die, but he did get rushed to the hospital with like some pretty severe injuries. That's very crazy to get trampled by elephant and not die. I know. Yeah, it like got pretty lucky. Yeah, when you see the video, you can see the elephant's feet just passing like I mean, I feel like you've had and stuff. I feel like you're getting them giving them a lot of gruff. So I'm going to say like props to him for not die. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Good for no, it's great that he didn't die. He did get fined though, which I think is like another like oh man, that sucks. It's like it. It's about $300 US dollars worth of fines for trespassing and provoking wildlife, which is like it's not the worst, but like after all of that plus you owe money, it's just like, oh my gosh, this is the worst, you know. Like it's kind of like yeah, he kind of got punished pretty good for what he did. They're probably trying. Yeah, they're probably trying to set an example though, because this does, even though it doesn't maybe seem like it, this puts other people at danger too, because elephants do kind of enter and we've seen this in some of our other stories. Like if they get mad enough, they can kind of go in on a rampage and then a lot of other people can get hurt that are also around. So it sucks this guy got hurt so badly, but also he was endangering other people's lives and this elephant's life by by approaching it. Yeah, so some of the details in the video after it just very briefly engaged with the man, ripped his pants off and then left, but it started like mounting up on trucks and like kind of getting it got really close to a lot of other people and it looked like it was maybe trying to push some cars around and stuff. It was a pretty agitated elephant and it's it's caused a little bit of community uproar because there's been a growing sentiment that tourists taking these kinds of pictures, engaging this kind of behavior, they need to be facing harsher penalties, like even criminal offenses if they do this kind of thing because I guess up to this point, that's not really been as big a legal issue as it is just kind of like a park infringement or something, but try to get a selfie, but now he's he's viral for a little bit of a different piece of content, I guess. Yeah, pants got pants by the elephant. Yeah. Huh. All right, well, I've got another one that is pretty tragic, but also kind of, you know, these ones are always hard because it's kind of like the trophy hunter from last month where I don't want to say like the person should have seen this coming, but also it's like you're doing something where you're obviously accepting some very high risks. And this was I've titled this tiger prince killed by his trained tiger. So we all remember the tiger king. This is kind of the tiger prince, and I'll explain why. On September 20th, just a few days ago, 37-year-old Ryan Easley was finishing up a performance for a group of people with this pet cat when something went terribly wrong because this wasn't just any cat. It was a full-grown tiger, and for whatever reason on that particular day, this tiger had had enough. Toward the end of the routine, Ryan and the tigers had probably done this routine hundreds of times before. This tiger broke off from its training, and it bit Ryan on his shoulder and neck, briefly shook him violently, and he is thought to have died pretty much instantly from this bite. Oh man. Whoa. His wife and daughter were unfortunately watching the show. When the tiger, yeah, when the tiger backed away from Ryan's body, his wife managed to guide the tiger into a safe enclosure, and he was pronounced dead thereafter soon thereafter. So basically, just like a quick aside, what I think probably happened here, like I think about towed my cat this morning. I was like petting him with a brush, and he got so kind of overstimulated that he bit me quickly. And sometimes when I'm playing with towed, there'll just be like this singular moment of frustration where he lashes out and like bites or scratches. And I think everyone that has ever owned a cat has experienced that before. And the same thing can happen with the tiger. I don't think this tiger was trying to eat Ryan or even trying to kill him. I think it just had a moment of frustration and lashed out. And when it's a tiger doing that, it can be fatal. All it takes is one bite, and that's all this was. And I don't think the tiger even knew what it was doing when it killed Ryan. But apparently Ryan and Joe Exotic, who we all know is the tiger king, have a bit of history. Ryan had procured a number of his tigers from the tiger king, as well as Docket Hentel, who is also in that documentary. And Joe was quick to make a statement from jail where he is Joe Exotic. I think he's in jail for 20 something years, constantly asking Trump for a pardon and constantly not getting it shot. Yeah, but he in his statement, he pretty much immediately attacked Pita. And it was really interesting. He always we've had a few people that pronounce Pita really weird, like Tanya hadix. And Joe Exotic in his statement, he capitalized the P and the T and the A, but the E was lower case. And I don't know why. What's the acronym? It's the people for the ethical treatment of animals. So it's not like the E is a smaller. Yeah, anyway, maybe he's taken a little bit of a, yeah, subliminal shot there. It was a really bad tweet because it's one where he could have just said, listen, I know Ryan, I really liked the guy. He had a wonderful family, all of that. But basically, he just used it as a way to talk about himself and attack Pita. He said, working with adult tigers takes guts and skill. So many people do things different when working with tigers. I choose never to make my tigers perform or even my camel because it takes losing that love bond between you and that animal. I sold tigers to ringling brothers and worked with just about everyone in the business. And you don't get a tiger to jump through a hoop of fire because they love you. When I knew Ryan in the early years, he wanted to be the one with the most tigers in the ring at one time. Myself and John Rinky both said when he was at our place with his tigers that he was going to get killed because some of his cats were crazy in the head, but it was about having the most performing at one time at all cost. Not the best like statement from his buddy in jail, you know, just kind of saying like, well, you ask him to call it. Yeah, I call it. Yeah, exactly. I still sold him the tigers, but I called it. Yeah, it's like, I do. He get it. Yeah. Brought it. He saw that kind of 10 years ago. This Pita also did a statement where they're also just kind of trying to score points for their side. It all feels kind of gross to me because the big cat act was passed already like this is a dying industry where many of these people won't ever be able to have cats anymore. It seems like that victory has already happened. So like, we don't need to be trying to like score points off of something this tragic, but this is from Pita. They said Ryan easily an associate of Joe Exotic was killed yesterday by a tiger he owned at his roadside zoo. Easily had acquired tigers from Joe Exotic and fellow Tiger King Doc Antel for his business show me tigers and for years he hauled them around the country, forced them to perform in cruel circuses and kept them trapped in cages for hours when they weren't performing. In 2017, he was caught violently whipping tigers during training sessions, one of whom was reportedly struck 31 times when Joe Exotic was operating his Oklahoma roadside zoo. Easily boarded his tigers and cramped cages at the roadside zoo during the winter. It's kind of like there's beating a dead horse at this point with Joe Exotic not with Ryan, but it's like it would suck to be this guy's family and see these two warring entities still like trying to just kind of get at each other using his death. Yeah. So anyway, I do think like, if you're if you're training tigers, especially to perform and you're touching them and stuff, it's hard to feel like this is unexpected, but you know, his family is still definitely suffering. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like the public narrative to his change so much that PETA doesn't really need to explain all of that to us. Right. Yeah. We know tigers in those shows are like not fairly treated anymore. It's not just like some crazy beast that wants to kill. It's like, yeah. No, like we kind of get this guy was asking for it. We all saw the documentary. Yeah. Have a statement the day after about how bad of a guy totally like wait a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I will just say to our listeners as far as like these kind of shows and roadside zoos are concerned. Just remember that any place like this, they all are going to say in their like they're they're messaging that they're good for conservation that their sanctuaries that they've rescued these cats from from worse situations. Every single one of these roadside zoos is going to have that same message all of them, but I like just kind of a rule that you can use to know if you're at a bad place or not. If there's any kind of human interaction with these cats, if they're touching them, or if they're making them perform to do tricks or anything, that is not a true sanctuary is not a true rescue. It is a for-profit roadside zoo where there's a very good chance the animals aren't being treated the way they deserve to be treated. So just stay away from those places, but this is obviously important. So I have a question on that. Yeah. So like at the Hogo Zoo with the sea lion, they like have them do tricks for fish. What's the difference? That is an animal that responds very well to training. That's more enrichment for them. And the people aren't like at the more want to be trained than have to be forced to be trained. Exactly. It's like it's like bird training and stuff too. And also like at the Hogo Zoo when they do that, they're not like hugging the sea lions and seals and stuff too. You know, there's not like a play. They're business. It's not like people like. Yeah. Okay. There are animals like in these accredited zoos and rescues and stuff. There are animals that through decades or longer of like research and I'm having them in captivity. We've learned do like enrichment where there's a human element, element involved, but like big cats are too dangerous to do that with. They just like it's just not an animal where you can do that and not necessarily it's traveling shows. It's just never going to be a good environment. Well, I have a follow up. I did just real quick. I wanted to point out the logo for PETA is has the lower case in there. So maybe that's what you're seeing people do. Yeah. That's probably it. So he's actually being very. He respect for bov and beyond. Get it right. Shout out Joe exotic. Yeah. Um, dot, dots all of his teas across his eyes. Well, Wes, I want you to take on this one because I was kind of wondering about this situation. Okay. So this is a line attack that happened in Bangkok September 10th and it was in Asia's largest open air zoo. How do you feel about like a safari park? Yeah. So like, I know San Diego zoo has something like that, right? And it's like one of those zoos. I think where you kind of go on safari inside of a zoo. You're in a vehicle, but then there's no you're in the enclosure. So there's no fence between you and the animals. Yeah. So how do you feel about that? I think it can be done really responsibly and well. But then there's ones that aren't, you know, like I think if you're going in there and you're able to feed these animals or interact with them, then it's probably not that ethical. But if it's like the one in San Diego at the safari park, it's really well done and it's a really cool experience for people or Alex. You just went on our Brazil trip works for one in the Palm Desert where they have a safari element. And that one's a great one too. So this one, you pay $37 per person to go to the lion and tiger feeding trips. Mm-hmm. Which I don't know if that's too problematic if you're like staying in the vehicles and they got to feed the cats anyways, right? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I'd have to look into it. But so yeah, on September 10th, an employee who had been working there for over 30 years, he got out of the vehicle to like get some food to throw to them, which was like very much against policy and the rules of the employees. They're never supposed to get out of their vehicles. And then for whatever reason, a doctor who was on the trip as like a guest, a Tavachi candidate, Cheering said that he stood there alone for three minutes outside of the vehicle, which they found very concerning in the way that the employee was just like standing there and didn't get back in the car. So then a lion walked up to him and just grabbed his leg and pulled him away from the car. Wow. And then six other lions came up and they all started killing him as people are watching. And they said he'd like never screamed or anything, which is I don't know. It's it's an interesting situation for sure. Very tragic. And the park's getting a lot of heat about just like making sure the lions were even licensed to be there because in Thailand in Thailand, I guess it's legal to have lions. Okay. So I think there's a lot of licensing like behind the scenes type of stuff going on where people don't go through the right paperwork and like the policies that they want them to to get lions a lot of the time. And there's a lot of breeding going on there and lions are just like a big issue in Thailand. Okay. Yeah. So that's really that's yeah, I don't mean to make light of the situation, but it almost seems like a possession or something came over him. Like he was just wasn't reacting at all. That's really spooky to me. It's weird that he didn't like make noise once the lions started. Yeah. Right. Maybe it was that that happens in that movie that happening. Maybe I have anyone looked at the plants. I could have been the point. Someone better check that out. Where's Mark? And where is Mark? I guess there's like 500 zoos in Thailand with licensed lions. And then there's just a bunch of breeding farms and like yeah, it's it's a real thing out there. So also if you're going to Thailand, just be careful about what lions you go to visit. Yep. Through your research, especially in other countries in the US, it's pretty easy just to kind of look up the credited institutions, but in other countries, you have to do a little bit more research. And this one was this one's Safari World Bangkok. Actually, I'd have to really dig in, but to me, it didn't seem too problematic where it's the biggest open air zoo in Asia. Like at least the animals have space sounded like they do have licensing for their animals. So like it just was an unfortunate situation where an employee either got careless or just I don't know. I don't want to speculate too much on what happened. But yeah. Could you find the video anywhere? Yeah. Relines ever living in Thailand, indigenously or whatever the word is I'm pretty sure. Yeah, natively, natively, yeah, endemically. I'm pretty sure they were. Okay. Yeah. Easy out of clients. I think we're pretty widespread back in the day, but now you can only find them in one little portion of India. Where they just pwn the tigers. Yeah. The tigers are scared of the lions in India. Yeah. Let's relitigate that real quick. Let's not. Okay. I've got, I actually do have a bear story this time. This is a follow up in a way to a story we covered last time in our news episode about the bear safety drill video that we showed. A little humorous, but in it was performed in the wake of some pretty serious bear encounters and fatalities even. So this happened near the end of August of this year, reported by the independent, but several other sources I got information from as well. So Dyson, this is the Northern Akita prefecture. West, you'll know Akita because that's where a recent pull was taken. No. This is where the prettiest women of Japan live. It turns out according to a vote. Interesting. Oh, don't pretend you didn't know that. Oh, yeah, shocking. Whoa. Anyway, so the police sent out a bear attack warning after, and it depends on what source you're getting information from, but it was either 91 or 93 years old from what I found. So Fujiyoshi Shindo's wife called the police when he found her husband collapsed and bleeding on the floor with huge gaping gash wounds across his body. And like we reported in that last news episode, Japan's been saying pretty recently they've always had a good amount of bear encounters going on, but especially recently a lot of fatalities, a lot of unnaturally high amount of bear stuff going on. They're training the police did not working this. It must not be that song. That song they created a few years ago. Yeah. So just last year, a record amount of people, 219 people were attacked by bears and there were six deaths. That's a lot. It seems like to me, you know, I think and I think the majority of them are asiatic black bears, but there are a number of brown bear attacks too, especially in Hokkaido. Yeah, up in the northern parts, which is kind of where so Akita is like the north western right before you get to Hokkaido. I know where it is. Yeah, you do. I've heard that so many times and I still just like always kind of forget that Japan has brown bears. That's cool though. Like, it's out of Japan. Yeah, really cool. We got brown bears. Robots, they got sushi conveyor belts. They got brown bears. They got a lot of cool stuff. Pretty women, not one part. They got sumo wrestlers. Oh my gosh. So a barrel was issued by the community of Dyson. People started freaking out because again, it's been a hot topic recently and just a quick rundown of some events that have happened. Just this past few months, but in July, a newspaper delivery man was killed by a brown bear just in a residential neighborhood, which is a curious event to have taken place in this area. In June, in airport in Yamagata, cancelled 10 flights after a bear broke through the perimeter fence and was patrolling across the runway. And an interesting one to me, this did happen in Hokkaido. In Sapporo, a bear was found running through the streets just of the city and they cancelled school. It just seems like an unusual thing for school to be cancelled because of bear. I do, I think for being a country that has this amount of conflict, they still don't have like a great response for it, which is interesting. Usually when there is that much conflict, you start having some really good management techniques put in place and I feel like Japan is still lacking that and I don't totally understand why. Yeah, it is curious to me because you guys, you grew up in grizzly bear country, even up in Missoula. Ostensibly, there are bears in the area, but was there ever stories about them like breaching into like the city center? Yeah, every week there's like bears in Missoula, especially in one little neighborhood of town, but like because they have such a good response system in place, you don't really hear about it because it doesn't cause like widespread chaos, you know, because we did that other story not long ago about the one getting into the grocery store. There's like a full-swat team standoff with this bear, you know, and it just seems, I don't know, I need to look into it, but it just seems like they don't really have people there that know what they're doing when it comes to bear management. Like that video where like all the wildlife people and police put a trampoline under a bear that's in a tree, and then they like dart it and it falls on the trampoline and bounces like even higher than it was in the tree. That was in Missoula. Yeah, it was Missoula. Yeah, it was like in the middle of the city. Oh man, that video just makes me sad when I saw that. I want to alter what I just said and say, I don't, yes, they definitely have some people there that know what they're doing when it comes to this sort of thing, but it feels like they don't have enough. Okay, in Japan, bring less out there. I'd love to go. I managed some bears in Japan. He accepts payment in ramen noodle packages. Japan is listening. DMs. Yeah. Okay. Well, so there's a bit of a twist to the story. So authorities arrived on the scene again, 93-year-old, maybe 91-year-old Fujiochi dead on the ground, big, seemingly, at least according to his wife, it looked like wounds sustained from a bear attack. Yeah. In the aftermath of the investigation, the police actually found the wounds to be more consistent with knife, like a knife attack. Prime suspect, suspect number one is their son who was living with them, who's 51. Is Fujiochi. Fujiochi Shindo or Shindo Fujiochi? Fujiochi. I'm getting that backwards one of those ways. Anyway, they confiscated all the knives in the household. They're still trying to determine what exactly the weapon was that was used. Fujiochi or Fujiochi's defenses, that there's no motive as far as has been reared with so far. That's probably what I was saying. Maybe the bear had a knife. Yeah. But it is interesting because it's not the first time in recent memory that a bear has been blamed for a crime that it obviously did not commit. So it's an interesting little alibi people are trying to skate by on. Not that I think Fujiochi, I don't know, it's not like he planted inceptive the idea that it was a bear to his mom, but just kind of a weird coincidence I thought. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Well, we'll wait to hear what happens out there. Hopefully they got their their top dogs on that case. Yeah. Prime Minister. Let us know. I've he got stabbed. They're Prime Minister did that once. Shop? Something happened to me. Yeah. I thought he was stabbed, but maybe you're right. Yeah, I can't remember. All right, so I'm going to do a quick two-parter on two stories that we've done and like kind of some follow-ups. One is a direct follow-up. One is more of a tangential one and that one is Jeff's recent episode about a man in Australia who was attacked by a saltwater crocodile and used his dog to try and escape the the jaws of that beast his dog dig dig. So this one I called justice for dig dig because it's a story from from the US where it was a very opposite reaction. So when Danny writes the human as a weapon. Danny Wright is a Massachusetts resident who moved to Florida 20 years ago. Seems to be a pretty tough woman and when she moved there she knew that she might have to deal with alligators at some point, but she never imagined it would be in the way that she had to the other week. And this is what she said to NBC 10 in Boston was I was like punch punch elbow elbow kick. So that was her it's a good five hit combo. Yeah, but pretty much what happened is she was walking her dog daxe who's a four-month-old shitsu along a creek when an alligator suddenly exploded from the creek and snatched her dog and she heard the dog squealing and barking and then she was pulled toward the creek because it was the dog was on a leash. And she said I wasn't going to listen to my dog getting eaten and to see it and to hear it. I'd end up in a psych ward if I went through that. So they're now all three in the water struggling. And the alligator had actually grabbed the dog dax by his air tag. So by his little like GPS air tag on his collar. And she won't be able to find him if he gets away. He better not get away or else it's gonna be a whole other problem. But she was able to pull the dog away. And as she was doing this, the gator latched onto her arm. And this is when she was like punch punch elbow elbow kick which like shout out to her. But that is like why you don't in this situation. Why it would be acceptable to not save your dog is there's a good chance it will change its attention to you. And now you're in big danger. I'm not saying she did the wrong thing. I'm just saying like you are putting yourself at risk if you try to save your dog. I'm trying to say like shout out to her for putting yourself at this risk because that's skate right. So she was bit by the gator but she credits her upbringing in Boston. Massachusetts for availability to barsting. I know I'm doing a country accident. But to fight off this wicked gaita. I don't know how Jeff had a year. You just don't do the art. Shaka. Gaita. All right. Bayer. Eventually this alligator did let go of her arm. It took a bit of a pounding and then it decided to let go. The dog wasn't hurt at all but she did have some pretty big lacerations on her arm and I had to go to the hospital and get treated for those but she did manage to save her dog. So good for her and good for daxe. And then the other one I had. Do you know what they should call if a dog if a dog gets wounded. Call them a lassy erasians is what I would call them. lassy erasians. I do like that. Indeed presents. I as you can't afford to get wrong like warehouse operations manager. Where are the forklifts? I sold them. They were too expensive. I got a great deal on these scooters though. You expect us to move a two term pallet on a scooter. It'll be fun. Just think of the core strength you'll build. This is a job for sponsored jobs. This is what happens when you don't sponsor your job on Indeed. So the next time you need someone to get the job done right, get matched with quality candidates with an Indeed sponsored job. Visit indeed.com slash next hire and sponsor your job today. All right. So this one a few years ago we reported on this story in a news episode and it was a woman who tried to take her kids life by throwing it into a bear enclosure. And unfortunately so when that happened this woman was put in a psych ward. She was under psychiatric observation for years and had been receiving treatment. And then just recently on on the 2nd of August 2025, she was discharged from the psychiatric clinic with a recommendation for outpatient honoring. And this daughter that she had tried to kill in the bear enclosure, she ended up stabbing the death. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Pretty crazy. And yeah, it goes to show if someone tries to throw their daughter into a bear enclosure to kill them maybe they need longer behind parts. Maybe the daughter shouldn't be allowed to go back to that person. Yeah. That's probably not someone that should ever have custody of their kids again. Exactly. It's really sad. Yeah. All right. This is my two follow-ups. I got more stories but I'll wait for my turn. All right. Well, I'm going to get all of my stuff out right now. Okay. Do it. So I just like being in Austria. You know, something about Austria draws me to it. I think the Austrian Alps when I see pictures of it. And I'm not saying I'm saying mentally I like being in Austrian Alps. Yeah. It's like screen savers that show Austrian Alps. I think they're beautiful. Be cool to hike there and a retired couple. Good sausages from Vienna. There it is. They also felt that way and they brought their dog out there in a 85 year old hiker was just walking around in the Alps with his wife just enjoying life. They walk up on a herd of nine cows. What would your panic meter be at? West. Panic meter would be like a one. Mike. I don't know. Isn't that the nine cows? That was actually a good sign when Joseph in the Technicolor Dream Coat saw the cows. That was like a good dream. It was like the season of plenty was coming for Egypt. So I'd be pretty stoked. You'd be like a native one. What is the most dangerous animal in the Austrian Alps? Like wild animal or animal in general? Either. I mean animals in general I'd probably say cows. Really? There's no jizzies or any predators. If there are grizzlies they're really just passing through. I don't think they have a real population there. They probably have some wolves. But I think it's mostly domestics. Like cows are the only things that would really square up with a human. I think so. Well that's why this story really stuck out to me is just a lot of our people who have encounters when you put yourself in their shoes. It's like it's really sad that happened but this person should have put themselves in a better situation. There's things you could do to avoid it. This one it's just like man that would have for sure happened to me too. So they see these nine cows which three of the cows are calves and the cows just change their parents. Is that a little it makes it a little higher. Yeah honestly. The cows decide to charge them. They knock them over and they start trampling them. So there's some local people, they're called huts. There's some local people in huts that hear the commotion. They see it happening. They immediately go start assisting them like in the best way they can and then get emergency services there. They are taking to a hospital and the man died from his injuries before he could even get to emergency surgery. So I was just like wow. That cow killing you in the alps seems one in a million right. Well maybe I guess because there's nine it's more than that because there's nine million people there that visit the mountains but in 2024 a woman with two small dogs was also hiking in the Salisburg region and was killed by a herd of cows that tried to. So they're telling people to be really careful when you're walking with dogs which is something tooth and claws told people as well. Keep them on a short leash and they think maybe the dogs kind of provoked some attack but that's not I'm not reporting that that's what happened that wasn't reported but they did say make sure if you have dogs keep them on a short leash because that can provoke a attack and I just think it's interesting that if you're in the alps you got to watch out for there because they do have free ranging cows and like I think it's a little different than our cows where our cows are just so so controlled and like so their lives these ones are just like out in the mountains and it's you know it is a big animal that used to be a wild animal until we completely domesticated them so I just feel like you do have to be careful of any big animals you see no matter how familiar you are with them especially in like a out in the open type of setting yeah um and then I just wanted to give my honorable mentions real quick too. There's two fathers that recently have died from crocodiles someone was killed in South Africa and someone was killed in Indonesia and then so the South Africa one would be a Nile crocodile not a saltwater crocodile. Okay I said crocodiles so I thought you said saltwater crocodiles. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I wanted you to say what type it was so don't cut it Bill okay but yeah so one was probably a Nile and one was probably a saltwater right in one of the saltwater for sure. South Africa was Nile. Yep for sure those two species and then the South African one sounded a lot like the story I did too where he's kind of slowly dragged in but just wasn't didn't have the mangroves to hold on to it. Yeah I got to live with there's something and a bunch of people were there inside which it's pretty terrible and then also a bachelor party in South Africa someone went into his tent after like party and on night and they like left a little crack in the top and two hyenas jumped in through the top of the tent and there's like a big female that bit his legs and then a little air one that bit him on the face and that has kind of just an interesting story. I was thinking about that one like imagine just going really hard at your buddy's bachelor party and you're like maybe not in a total you know sober state of mind in your bed and suddenly two hyenas show up. It would be so weird like you just let's see if they were laughing if they were like laughing I'd be like wait this is my brain yes this is my buddy's pulling a prank all right that's all I got great it little weird to frame those as your honorable mentions to me somehow but yeah I get what I cheer you're trying to get I should sit on notable notable headlines notable yeah something like yeah well thank you for it sure no I'm glad you called that out yeah I didn't want to be mr. pedantic but that's just kind of who I am so yeah very honorable of that man to be attacked by those hyenas yes right okay I've got just a quick one then I'll pass it off for you to finish whatever else you've got west so this is a story kind of developing we don't have a whole lot of information more or less the headline will give it away but recently in the ivory coast a hippo capsized a boat is a pretty narrow canoe like boat there are 11 people on it including some children and at least one infant yeah well sorry I read this one too but it said it said that 11 people went missing and three people survived so I think there's 14 people on it okay so 14 people total then three survivors but it is curious though that 11 people are just gone I wouldn't yeah expect that on just like a river I don't know what kind of river it was it doesn't sound like it was intense whitewater rafting or anything but the fact that 11 people are not able to be found makes me think that there's something a little more at work than just drowning but I could be wrong I'm just that's total speculation on my part I read it too and I couldn't find any updated articles I looked through like 30 that just said 11 people missing but then like some spokespeople said like we condolences to the family and like their speech was very much as if they think these 11 people are dead yeah right I think I mean I know that like some of these people may have been children and stuff too I think it's very likely that it was mostly drowning that okay because I do think you know if a hip well if a hiphole capsizes your boat in the middle of a river there's a lot of chaos there's a lot of splashing and and boat flipping or maybe hitting people who knows so my guess would be it's probably mostly drowning that happened to these people I don't think it was the hipbo or other animals yeah I wasn't trying to insinuate anything more than just like it is a high number of people on that fatality list for yeah and stuff still a lot of people for one hipbo could be some crocodiles too yeah yeah over to us pretty sad I have I have a quick kind of funny one that is a bit of a chlamydia update for koalas so as we've talked about a lot on this show koalas are sick little bastards and they're constantly giving each other chlamydia and that's mostly through sexual intercourse but sometimes it's also through the mom wide elephant gift the mom like feeds her her babies the stuff called pap which is kind of a like a fecal thing yeah but they can get it from that as well but essentially there's parts of Australia were like up to 90% of the koalas in those populations have chlamydia and it does really affect them it does kill a lot of koalas it's a huge problem so a regulator has approved a world first vaccine to try and protect koalas from chlamydia infections this would be a one a single dose vaccine that a koal would receive once and would make it so these symptoms of chlamydia didn't have any effect on them it would decrease mortality from the disease and wild populations by up to 65% or at least 65% so really the idea here is there's like probably somewhere around 100,000 wild koalas out in Australia there would probably be teams that would go out and just vaccinate wild koalas or if like a koala got hurt or something and ended up in a veterinary hospital they would just make sure to give this vaccine to any and all koalas that they ever get their hands on it's been a really big undertaking a lot of money's been sunk into doing this there are some people that are kind of poking holes in this Deborah Tabert who's the chair of the conservation charity australian koala foundation says that these resources would have been much better spent on saving koala habitat and she says at the risk of sounding flippant how can anyone be so delusional as to think you can vaccinate a hundred thousand animals that's ridiculous i accept that chlamydia is an issue for koalas but i also want people to understand that they're sick because they haven't got any habitat and we've talked about this a lot recently in the podcast but when animal populations become fragmented and when you have these populations where there's no animals coming in or out of those sub populations they often do get all the same diseases and in this case a lot of that habitat now is butted up against agriculture and we do think that its koalas are getting chlamydia as a result of being so close to agriculture and to livestock and whatnot so i do think she's right like a line of to get to the other koalas then won't they spread their chlamydia to all those other populations that don't have it as much they all have it there's no population in australia that doesn't have at least some chlamydia now if i ever get it you know what happened yeah you got it from koalas i don't know happened that'd be so far down the list of guesses of what you have it i would hope it's very far down the list anyway so i kind of find myself in the middle of these two camps i agree with this woman like yeah you know the best money that could be spent on koalas is protecting habitat but i also think it's really cool that they have a vaccine for this now for koalas feels like it would be one of the easier animals to vaccinate too yes as far as like they're not finding them and getting it darting up escaping things yeah do you think there's going to be a big culture war now in koalas society about like whether or not they're vaxed like when koalas die are they're going to be like vaxed was that vaxed right what so how is a koalas behavior gonna change once it no longer has chlamydia is it just gonna be more energetic or or what i think it affects them in a lot of different ways i don't i don't know fully how but i do know that one thing they've tried to do is is give them antibiotics to deal with it when they do find sick koalas but those antibiotics make it so they can't digest eucalyptus anymore so it really affects their digestion so there's not like an easy fix for it and the disease itself does have like some pretty pronounced symptoms in them so it's a big problem for them this isn't like a small problem yeah they just you know they just got to be a little safer is a little wrap up the birds yeah exactly all right save it till they're married maybe yeah save it for marriage i forgot one thing before we go to categories uh i just want to do like because these ones can get a little depressing i feel like just how many people get attacked so i want to do a uplifting conservation thing uh i don't think we've ever talked about it i'm sorry if we have but that iberian links i don't think so yeah um so they live in spain and Portugal and in 2001 there were only 62 mature individuals in the wild so they were like critically endangered and at the point of almost being extinct and then uh they put a ton of effort into preserving them so in 2022 they got their population up to 648 and then in 2024 there's estimated to be over 2000 wow nice nice a lot of that was they also put a lot of conservation into the endangered European rabbit and that was like a big two-chores for the links so like having the rabbit go endangered made it so the links went endangered so they got a lot more rabbits now they're getting a lot more links and it's just a really great uh success story that i wanted to shout out cool thank nice yeah good job iberian links is that it you got any more stuff less no i'm i'm done i'm good sounds like Jeff and I are done too so categories it is right yeah let's go you put them together today i did put them together west gave me the enviable task it's always so fun just thinking of questions to ask you guys you know yeah you went out of the box with it this week you're all the best at it you i tried to make it more interesting than like what's yours you like bears right that's my category you like bear what's your favorite bear than where's the hat and pop culture okay so padding for sure well we've died i mean yeah everyone knows that we don't need to deliberate okay so this is something that's been kind of weirdly top of mind for me because september always occurs to me is to be is like being such a tweener month it's like yeah not really summer anymore but it's not really quite fall either so i'm wondering if you guys have september in your top half or your bottom half of favorite months out of the year top yeah why hey so i'm gonna tell you my cons for september before i tell you my pros my number one con is that in montane at least the nights get cold enough that the water starts getting really cold so you can't really like swim or spend as much time in water as you were able to before like in august is just so nice going down to the river and swimming and stuff but outside of that i love september i feel like it it cools off a little bit it's generally when our wildfire smoke starts to clear out it's when our leaves really start to change a lot here i just think it's like such a beautiful nice transition month and i really i used to hate the fall but i think a big part of that was because i hated because school started and i've slowly gone away from that and now between like october being one of my favorite months because of halloween and just the fall in general i really september is definitely top top half month for me okay i think it's my favorite month wow really i think it's my number one it's between that and october but i think i'd give the edge to september but you're a huge 9-11 fan yeah um building salad i don't know what happened with that you got open your eyes people um but anyways yeah i mean the fishing's still pretty good the colors change it's like warm but but not like too hot and the summer drains me a lot and i kind of start getting the wind under my sails a lot more in september yeah football's back football's back it's your it's your birthday month it is yeah i forgot um happy birthday by the way can i say sorry mike i don't want to like steal your thing right now but yeah is mike's birthday last time we recorded and we mean west didn't know and then i was just scrolling reddit and on the tooth and claw reddit someone said like i think it might be mike's birthday today and it's like it's so happy birthday mike and i went to google and i googled billbo baggins birthday and it's september 22nd because that's how i remember mike and i was like my happy birthday but that's the best present is to leave you alone on your birthday it was the best birthday yeah since i celebrated it with my family the day before so we got all that out of the way so the actual day itself was just me in a bunch of leftover cake dude it was so sweet see that reddit user that was me actually it was like oh no one knew that i got it from them so yeah no not really um i don't i didn't bother me at all and i hope you guys know that it's either six or seven for me i can't decide on which side of the line it falls because i definitely like october november december more and i think i like april may and june more as well but april and may it's a little forgettable too for me so i don't know what's the month that it's like either six or seven with may probably oh may you like to april more than may i don't really think not a whole lot's going on in may for me i don't know maze when it starts to get really green and pretty so maze one of my favorites yeah and there's that joe gollies wait like it's gonna be me that's best for him to see i think i get about it and then i'm cool that's good and sink not back i think i like may june july october and december more than september but then i think that september's next so it's what wait six for me yeah the fall colors right now are so good how they're gonna be even better in like two weeks i don't know they're pretty peak right now this is kind of peak okay i feel like well yeah anyway all right that's a great good to get that out of the way okay yeah now we know how we all feel about september the people ask wake me up when september ends exactly we know how billy joe feels about it doesn't even want to be awake for it it's just sleepal okay so fat bear week just started i think yesterday voting began i was wondering if you guys were competing what your strategy is gonna be like what food are you gonna eat how are you gonna go about gaining the most weight for the winter season my bear and myself you're yourself i did it as a bear in my answer just eating a bunch of salmon oh it's like it's strategy it works it's worked in the past for bears uh as a person i would say for me like my the thing i can just eat and eat and eat without ever like feeling like i don't want more is is cookies yeah so i would just eat as many cookies as possible i would make those like Hershey kiss peanut butter cookies i would eat a ton of those i would have just packs of Oreos on hand and i would just go real hard on cookies and i think i would that would be my quickest way to gain the weight peanut butter is a good one but that stuff has so many calories somehow i don't i don't understand nuts how that works i do find that after christmas is always when i'm like my my beefiest and it's mostly because of cookies yeah i'll stick with my thread but give a better human answer too uh one of the foods i can just keep eating forever is sushi so maybe i'll just get like a bunch of salmon sushi oh that could work with some rice for the carbs cream cheese in there get some cream cheese i i think i'm on board with the Oreo iDOS but i will say the most or the least healthy i've ever been was when i was working the night shift and i've come to learn some science that like sleeping at night is actually incredibly important for regulating like hormones and insulin and stuff and i think that really did a number on me so whatever i'm eating it's gonna be through the night man i'd rupture my patella tendon again so i can't move that worked i used to be thin you'll probably do that regardless all right with all your surgeries uh next one oh yeah so joe we brought up Jeff was in an escape room if we keep that part in the intro so what is the most dangerous animal you feel like you could have completed that escape room if it were in the same room with you guys at the same time that we think we actually could have completed it though yeah like your cough is really complete and still is me and daniel and she's smart it's like two brains but i was like three fourths of a brain and she doesn't have a headache one and one fourth of a brain you know and we couldn't get through so i feel like i need a really smart animal so i think like coyote is pretty good at getting out of stuff like i can't like you're putting it in as far as like what could i escape from right like i'm gonna need this animal's help to get out so i'm thinking like a coyote dolphin or something like that uh i think the most dangerous animal i could have in there and still make it out would be like a black mamba because i feel like there's some real danger there you know but i could probably avoid it and still get through the room but like i would i think there's snakes that would be a lot easier to avoid but then they're not nearly as dangerous right so i think that's like right at that line where it's super dangerous but i could probably still do it yeah so i actually i did take the liberty of texting daniel to ask her this question and she said great i don't think i could have escaped the room without clues from the guide and i hated it so much i wish something really dangerous was in there so it would kill me and just put me out of my misery that was her answer she was getting out of the space that's a great time for daniel yeah now it made me feel so justified because i've been telling Jeff that i would hate it i've never done it but i am confident that i would hate it and after last nights events i'm like i'm really good in come because we're pressuring you but like the first one we did was so cool and it was really fun because like yeah we like communicate a little bit but you also just kind of work your on your own thing and there's like a really cool room and then this one is like so dark you couldn't like leave the clues and just sound like it's not great okay i think you would like it like if we got a good one mm-hmm sure i don't know so immediately dismissed that was Jeff's category we're going to west i was wondering would you give a harder note if i invited you to play frisbee golf or go to escape room oh i'd go to an escape room a thousand times out of a thousand i truly despised frisbee golf i think it like it's beyond it's just funny it's just stupid simple if i know i could like hate that and it seems like something mike would love to hate i don't hate hate i'm like love is too strong i'm like a i and i have no mouth and i'm a scream when he gives the monologue hate hate hate hate hate okay west this is your category yeah uh birding you're a big burger uh it's kind of like collecting and i equated that to the one collection i ever really got started down when i was younger pokemon cards so i want you to create a pokemon card out of the rarest bird you've ever seen just what's gonna be like it stats what's on the card what's it look like etc yeah so i i i had a hard-tenth thinking of like what's the rarest bird i've ever seen and that's because i'm not someone who really like keeps a list or it's hard for me to go back and like really think on it but i did pick one that i know is is like relatively rare especially in parts of its range that i think for being a rare bird i had like such an incredible experience with and that's the andy and condor it's one of the largest flying birds in the world so that would be one of its stats its wingspan gets up to 10.5 feet probably has a lot of HP yeah a lot of HP when it comes to flying especially and i think its special power would be its ability to soar on thermals okay for me the the coolest thing the reason i picked this bird is there's a lot there's places in south america where you can see them but it's usually like you see a little soring bird and you're like oh that's an andy and condor you know but i in chile i went to this place where i hiked up a mountain and there was a roost and i had a andy and condor is flying in front of me at i level at like 20 feet away and it was just such an incredible experience with a really rare bird and yeah so for me like what other things are on pokemon cards not a fake putter that's like a what else should i do is it going to be holographic is it going to be all shiny and stuff it would be holographic they have this really cool crest on their head the males especially they have a white collar that's really beautiful Hillary henke who was on our macaque episode our friend that does bird training she's in the middle of training in andy and condor it's been really fun following her instagram and seeing her progress with this just monster of a bird there's so big damage could it take that's the other thing is i think they could take a lot of damage because it's a really big bird and like 120 damage point hp is that high yeah yeah would it evolve into a bigger condor ever that's an origin that's no this would be its final stage revolution the final because this is a big big what about that one we saw in the hamilayas with like red feet that was a bird a bearded vulture and the one in the river with the red dollar yeah was that one super rare that was um what was that bird or something it wasn't a fiber pipe it was clover it was in a red-footed piping plover that's not what it was i can't remember what it was but that's not it but yeah that was a rare bird that that birds more just that it was migratory and we were kind of right at the end of it i think so we were lucky to see it but yeah i don't i honestly was trying real hard to think on like the rarest bird i've seen and i really don't know but andy no you did a good job me rare thermal sore sounds like a pokemon move like yeah he's using thermal sore i'm dead now brown it's cool because you'll see them just soaring and they're not flapping their wings or anything they're just like writing these thermals and they can do that for a really long time it's really cool yeah how much would you buy that card for uh i'd buy it for like 20,000 dollars oh that's pretty good yeah but Jake would have spent two million on a charizard but like that's not it that's abnormal yeah Logan that's right so i got my balls mixed up listen the make fun of the pauls all you want i will normally won't clap back at all but yeah i think the charizard necklace is cool it's sweet and it's like cool is it two million dollars cool well that's the whole point of wearing like a blinged out necklace in the first place it's to show your wealth right so i just think that's the point i don't think it's cool at all though yeah all right you're you're the odd one out then west okay i'm gonna do so that i gave myself a category because i've been i've embarked on a pretty like a couple month long project at this point now so i went back and i relistened all of Taylor Swift's album and i'm gonna do my report just real quick five things off the top of my brain which album the new one no i'd so we did the all listener songs yeah we did the listener song bracket to great success people seem to really enjoy that i was still a little hung up on the Taylor Swift and i was like okay i'm gonna do my homework if i'm ever gonna criticize her again i'll at least be able to say i did the work so i went back i've listened to every single i think i've listened to every single thing that she has released studio wise i haven't gotten into the live releases but did you like read about her dating history to like know the stories of the songs you while you were listening see i tried to do as much work as i could but at a certain point stuff started just bouncing off my brain i mean it adds context to it that's my part go ahead it's go hard so yeah that's a level 10 escape room for us so i should have trusted my instincts so 1989 still my favorite album i think despite having my least favorite song on it it's my favorite out yeah not ever of all time by anyone it's my favorite Taylor Swift album emerged from this like a hard course yeah so my favorite song again i should have just known but it was all you had to do is stay i think it's a perfectly constructed pop song blank spaces of course great what bad blood i think is my least favorite song uh uh did she's ever put out i think it's like stripped down to the molecule to just be radio friendly as possible uh but anyway still love the album i like it more than her rerelease i like the original version of 1989 more than her version but i do like her version of red much more than the studio release originally so take that for whatever that means evermore better album i gave a credit for initially not amazing but a lot better than i was giving a credit for midnight's is my least favorite album which has Jeff's favorite song on it i think the vigilante whatever that that's a terrible song Jeff i'm sorry it's a good sound uh tortured poet society i think is what it's called still a boring album i apologize and my last observation is that Travis Kelsey is washed baby get him out of the league he sucks the chiefs oh man suck my he's always mad now he's been yelling at the coaches i know he's like not catch the ball how about before you start yelling Travis too big for his bridges yeah so wait did you come out of it liking her any more than when you started not really or any less kind of solid if i probably a little more honestly and i've never said that she's bad i just personally don't care for her music at least recently but she is working with max martin again for this newest album the life of a show whatever the album is going to be called so i'm excited for that because turns out all of my favorite stuff was produced in tandem with max martin by her side so that's exciting to me great all right i think that's it right yeah yeah all right thanks everyone for recommending stories for us yeah we appreciate it it is helpful thank you to our intern brin for categorizing them for us it's really helping that's also very helpful thank you bill for helping us thank you everyone thank you india anyone get that reference for sure india thank you everyone's a little problem sure not everyone but yeah all right i'll see you guys later love you love you guys see ya bye