Shoreline Defenders & The Bearded Bard- A Just for Fun Episode from the Moms!

Hey guys, and welcome to the Moms and Mysteries podcast, a true crime podcast featuring myself, Mandy, and my dear friend, Melissa. Hi, Melissa. Hi, Mandy. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm excited to be here on a Wednesday, which is unusual for us and for our listeners to be here. Well, unless you are a subscriber, then you don't normally hear from us on Wednesdays. But this week, we are here for you. And I'm excited. We are here for you. And kind of for ourselves. This is kind of selfish. Yeah, we just we've been doing It's Florida, man, shows on Patreon and Apple subscribers and I think Spotify subscribers. So we're kind of sad that we're near the end of those. And we thought we would transition. If you know anything about A24 films or anything with A24, you know, it's always pretty good. And so this new show is out on Macs and it's called Neighbors and it's with A24. Or it's a reality show about my worst nightmare, having a terrible neighbor. Oh, yes. Truly. A hundred percent. Actually, it's so funny because my husband, like, that's one of his big things. And we've, by the way, lived in the same house for, like, over 12 years now. And so it has never been an issue where I live. Like, we don't really have neighbors. But that's always, like, a thing that my husband says. Anytime I talk about wanting to move or, like, look for a different house anywhere, his first thing, The first thing that he always is concerned about is he doesn't want to be close to people. He doesn't want to live by where we have neighbors. He just he only he would rather stay in our house because we don't have neighbors, despite any other reasons that there might be. He's not wrong. Yeah, he's not wrong. But sometimes distance doesn't even matter as it happens in one of our stories. But yeah, that's to me like the scariest thing. I had great neighbors at the last place we lived at and one of them died. And so I was like, crap, who's going to move in? And now I have an older neighbor across from me and I'm like, please stay alive forever because he's nuts. He helped me change my tire one time. But other than that, I don't want to talk to them, but I also don't want them to hate me. And these people don't give a flying anything. They don't care if their neighbors hate them. And I can't live in this kind of, I don't know, stress. I just can't do it. That's why they were selected to be on the show Neighbors and you weren't. Okay. Thank you, Captain Obvious. So, Mandy, we are covering two different locations. This episode is actually called Shoreline Defenders. One takes place in Florida, one takes place in Montana. And since we have Florida, we're Florida people. This is a Florida-ish episode. Mandy, I think you should kick it off with your section about the Shoreline Defenders. I would love to. I do think it's funny that, as you were saying, this show is formatted where it's telling two stories in one episode. I thought it was interesting that they named the episode Shoreline Defender. And then like the second story is nowhere near shorelines at all. Furthest from the shoreline. Yeah. But lots of defenders in that one. Yeah, for sure. But my story is from Santa Rosa Beach, Florida, which is another place in Florida that I don't think I've ever heard of or been to. Have you? You've heard of it. You've heard of it. I promise. So this is like, yeah, near Destin and Panama City and Pensacola, that whole area. It's beautiful. I feel like that the northern part of Florida is more your turf than it is mine. I'm not too familiar with a lot of northern Florida. I'm really only familiar with like central Florida and a little bit of south Florida. But yeah, I'm not like a Florida expert by any means. I disagree. I think you are. But I do think if you have a chance to go in that area, it's really beautiful. Yeah, well, it looked like it was very beautiful from what we got to see in this episode. And the people who live there, particularly those who live on the ocean, certainly think that it's beautiful and that they are entitled to enjoy it all to themselves. Yes. So the topic of the neighbor drama in my story is about whether or not if you live on the public beach, if you have beachfront property, is the beach considered your private backyard or your private property? And I'm just going to say right off the top before I even get into this crazy story that I absolutely do not agree that people who own oceanfront property should have private access or private only access to the beach. Like, obviously, you have private access through your porch or whatever, but I don't feel like you get to control the actual beach and who goes where on the beach. So that's what I'm going to say. To me, it does seem like, yeah, you're paying for private access. You're paying for a view, but you're not paying for who gets to come and go on the sand. And that is not what some people think. It certainly is not. So now we get to meet this woman named Sarah Day. She's a neighbor that lives in the area and she's talking about how when she wants to go down to the beach, there's the public parts of the beach and then there's these private areas of the beach for people who have homes that are right there on the water. And of course, as there often is in situations like this, there's always that one person who has taken it upon themselves to really make sure that the quote unquote rules are followed. And in this case, the private part of the beach, this person named Brent really wants to make sure that nobody else is encroaching on this territory. So for those who don't realize, I don't know how you couldn't realize this, but maybe if you just didn't think about it, the coastline here in Florida is literally just a long, flat stretch of beautiful beach. OK, there's no way to really block off or partition like a private area on the beach. There's just not really any way to do it. sometimes I will you'll see in certain areas they'll have like markers out you know where it says like okay between this post and this post you know this is the this is owned by you know this condominium or whatever they try to keep it private but there's no way to like put a fence up on the beach to keep people off of certain sections like it's just not a thing and no matter what you do people will wander into your private territory either innocently like or because they literally just don't care that you think it's a private part of the beach yeah so this lady Sarah says that her first encounter with this guy, Brent, was this one day he came over and he started recording her and her daughter while they're on the beach and talking, you know, going off on this rant about how they're on private property. So this guy, Brent, is just a property manager. I don't know, like he, I didn't think lived right there on the beach. I got the impression that he was like... He might live under the beach. He's there all the time. He might literally live on the beach. Yeah, exactly. But of course, this woman, Sarah, is getting upset because she's like, stop recording my daughter. Like, what are you doing? Why are you have a camera on my child while we're at the beach minding our own business? And he's just going off about how they need to leave. This is private property. He's so sick of people like this, you know, people who just keep, you know what? I'm sick of people who police the beach like this. I know this is you just can't like you go to the beach because you don't want anybody else's opinions, conversations. You just like want to go look at the water and pretend you don't have any problems that you absolutely have when you get home and you still have to deal with your entire life. But for a few minutes, you can just look at the ocean and feel really good. Right. So, yeah. So this Brent guy is going off. He doesn't understand why Sarah and her daughter need to be there on the beach in that particular spot. He's telling them like, listen, you're trespassing and it's my right to be down here harassing you until you leave essentially yeah so now we meet another neighbor eric and this is a man who has a different opinion than sarah and her daughter so eric believes that the beach should be protected in front of his home he does not think that people of the public should be allowed to come anywhere near his private little beach that's right out his back door. And he says that that's the way things have always been done on this little stretch of beach here in his community. It's always been done that way. And he said, as he put it, it keeps the anarchy away. All the crazy stuff that he says goes on on the beach. I got to say, I grew up in Daytona Beach, which was always a very, and not really much anymore, but it used to be a very hot spot for spring break and different events. And there is a little bit of anarchy, I would say, that happens during large events. But sure. On a Saturday, Sunday, regular weekend at the beach, like I don't really think that you're at risk of having a lot of like shenanigans going on in Santa Rosa. No, I would agree with you. Yeah. So Eric says, though, he doesn't care who he offends. This is a huge problem and he wants to solve it. He stands behind Brent. He supports Brent's right to be down there on the beach harassing people that he He pays rent. Right. He gives him mad props to go out there and harass innocent people on the beach. So Sarah and Eric, of course, are feuding. They have their ongoing drama because they have different opinions. So now we meet Shoreline Defender Guy. And we don't have a name for him because he is actually just an anonymous entity in the city, I guess. He's worse than that, Mandy. He is worse than that. He's wearing a human face mask. Creepy. The ones that look real enough to not... but not real. And he's wearing gloves and like, he really does not want people to know who he is. He doesn't. And it's so- Don't even tell me who he is. I don't want to know. I thought we were just dealing with like private property people on the beach, right? But now we have this guy who's like completely anonymous. He's wearing this weird, creepy plastic face thing, using a voice changer, saying he doesn't want people to know who he is. He has to hide his identity because he says that the people around town are scared. They're straight up scared because I guess the beach home, beachfront homeowners have been like threatening them. Like they're like the sunburned scarecrow. It's absolutely crazy. So everybody in town is like, there's like two people. There's two types of people in this town, right? Like you're either a beachfront property owner or you're just a peon that is everyone else. Like you don't get any, you have no rights to go to enjoy the beach whatsoever. Right. So this shoreline defender guy is explaining that he had started this Facebook page called Shoreline Defender to monitor this whole situation that was going on down on the beach. And he said, especially things really picked up a lot when a certain celebrity moved into town. That celebrity, Melissa, is Brian Latrell, former Backstreet Boy, former Orlando-ian resident. But he bought a house down there in Santa Rosa on the beach. And apparently he was also very ticked off that people wouldn't stay off his private section of the beach. Now, I do understand if you're actually famous and people are able to get that close to your home, like that might be an issue for you. But also, like, I do feel like there are places. That's your dumb fault. Right. You could buy a house in a home. Your home is the ocean. That's true. Come on. That's very true. I do remember this coming out about him, like, because I've always thought he was like supposed to be kind of a nice guy. And he was so fussy on this interview I saw. And I was like, Ew, that gives me cringe about him. I know. Where it's like, okay, you should shut up or hire somebody or just, I don't know. You've got to go move to an island. I don't know what to tell you. It's freaking Santa Rosa County. What are you expecting? Right. You know what? I do just want to say one thing about that. I think it's funny how you said that you always thought he was such a nice guy. I'm like, yeah, you know, I did too. I never thought any of the Backstreet Boys or any of the NSYNC members were like, you know, anything other than amazing. But I'm like, yeah, I thought that when I was 12. And then everybody grew into an adult. And now I have different opinions. I haven't reassessed in a while. Exactly. Yeah. I still love Joey Fatone. I will always love Joey Fatone. I saw a barber posted a picture of a haircut he did for him this week. Oh, nice. He's just like an Orlando guy still. And I love him. I love that. I do love when celebrities are truly just like us. I actually love that. So there's this Shoreline Defender. I said, as I said, there's the Shoreline Defender Facebook page. this guy who runs this whole thing anonymously. And now we're finding out that they have, I guess, Shoreline Defender guy and our friend Sarah from the beginning have kind of teamed up and are trying to figure out like a solution to this problem with all this feuding going on between the residents of this little town. So they developed this app, Shoreline Defender app, and people can download it. And this is supposed to be a helpful tool that people can use to go down to the beach and like see in real time if they're on private property or if they're on the public part of the beach Yeah So that it like easily identifiable I guess like I don know They say they trying to avoid conflict with the residents I never really understood like what they were hoping for by doing this To show them their app So here my question It looks like there like a 10 foot wide space that's public beach, right? And then to the right and to the left of it, it's private beach, right? So it's just like this public access thing. Isn't this just the problem of the county? Close the public access there. And I don't think you're going to have people walking 10 miles down the shore to get there. Right. It's that they can go in there. Of course, they think they can be there. Right. And another just quick note, like for those who aren't or who didn't grow up around the beach, you there are it's not like you can just go down to the coastline and just get on the beach from any point. Like there are access points. There's like one in Daytona where you can drive on the beach. They actually have like beach ramps that you can drive on. But they also have wooden boardwalks and staircases that go down to the beach, you know, and there's parking lots off the beach. But it's not like you can just get on from any point. So that's kind of what Sarah's like whole argument was why she goes down to the beach there. Because as you were saying, there's a public access to the beach right there and it's near her house. And that's why she chooses to go there instead of going like driving, you know, two miles down the road to go find another beach access. Like, why would you do that when there's one right here? That's kind of, but I imagine that's the argument that a lot of people have when they are going down to a beach that they don't realize is quote unquote private property. But that's where it shouldn't be allowed. That should be the county, not Brent. Right. Freaking walking around screaming at you. You wouldn't know. Right. Well, of course, Brent does not like this app at all. He says the app is complete trash. It doesn't even work. He says it's going to cause chaos just having this app. Like he's just totally the biggest hater ever. He doesn't want anything to do with it. Mandy, I just downloaded the app. I cannot get back. Oh, I just got back. Oh, is it trash? I couldn't get back. Yeah, it's pretty trash. And also it does say like, here's what to know if you can, what to say if a homeowner comes up to you and stuff. Okay. No, I'm scared. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it doesn't, I can see it. No, I can't. I just think it's kind of going to cause more problems. Yeah. So as we're getting into this episode and more into the story, we're getting to meet new characters. Now we get to meet this guy, Mike, and he was one of my favorite people, I think, in this whole story. So he is, get this, a First Amendment auditor. I don't know that that's a real thing, but they put that under his name on the screen as if it was actually a real job title. I don't know that it is, but that's what he is. So he's down here on the beach now filming things. He's documenting. And he is on the side of people have a right to go anywhere they want in public. So he is down here saying like, our rights are like muscles. If we don't use them, we'll lose them. So he is boots on the ground. He's filming everything. He's like, to be totally honest and totally fair, he's a very annoying person. Oh, thank you. I thought you're like, that's the guy in this. And I'm like, I would never want to speak to this man. He pissed me off five ways this Sunday. He was so obnoxious. And honestly, like if you were on Sarah's side and you were on the Shoreline Defender side and you were people who wanted there to be a resolution to this and for the beach to just be open and everything, you would not want this guy, Mike, on your team at all. No. Okay. Like this is the guy who makes everybody look bad. But he's talking about all the things that he's done. Like he literally says like he just gives no Fs like pretty much about anything. He says like he even used to be Mormon, he says, and he left the church and went back secretly to record stuff. That's how many Fs he doesn't give. He wants to fight. That's all he wants. He does. He does. And he understands that that makes him kind of an unlikable guy. He even said if some psycho comes out and shoots him, then it's totally fine with him. It must have been his time to go. He said he would die doing what he loved, which is defending his rights. OK, well, there you go. That is a hill to die on. At least we know that. Exactly. So he's making this whole documentary thing just out on the beach, as I said, being annoying. He's filming this vlog. And while he's down there, guess who shows up? Brent. And of course he did. Brent's always there. So Brent just walks over and he's like, hey, you're on private property, of course. But Mike's not having it. He says that's the stupidest thing he's ever heard. And he tells Brent to get a sheriff to come tell him he's on private property. Then if that's the case, he said, if that's true, call the cops. Tell the sheriff to come down here and tell me himself. And then I'll leave. So he really is just going off. He says he also says, go tell your little Backstreet Boy tenant over there that I want it my way. Honestly, I was like, that was pretty good. It was. It was pretty good. It was. It was. I didn't want to give it to him. I know. It's like Mike is so annoying, but also funny at the same time. But like in an ironic way, like it's just I have such mixed feelings about this guy. But while he's filming, arguing with Brent, like he still is filming. And by the way, we're watching this whole thing unfold through some weird fish eye lens view that we. I think it's the fish eye is very popular in this show on mine too. On my part of the episode too. It's like the GoPro thing, I think, on the chest. And that's what makes it like this fishbowl. Because I think people walk out on things. It's so weird. I don't see the point. But yeah, so we get a lot of just maybe they didn't have enough money for a regular camera. They put that on everybody and they're like, we'll save money and gave me a headache. I'm actually thinking Mike just has that because he wants that 360 view of everything going on. You know what? Good point. He really needs to see everything. So while they're having all this argument going on, a lady comes over with her beach umbrella. She wants to get involved. She's trying to put her umbrella and block Mike's camera. So then he's getting into it with this random lady. She's upset. He's upset. Like, I don't even know what's happening at this point. I don't know where any of these people came from. I would pack up and go home. Even if I was like half a mile down the shore, I can't deal with that kind of anxiety. I would have just been like, we're leaving. No, absolutely not. So now Mike says, well, I'm using the Shoreline Defender app. OK, so I know where I am and I know what my rights are because this app right here is telling me everything I need to know. Well, instantly Shoreline Defender, Anonymous Guy and Sarah are like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't say that. Don't don't bring us into this. Like, don't please don't mention our app. Like everything you're doing is exactly what the residents are complaining about, like that they don't like. Like, you're down here making a scene. We're trying to make it better. Right, exactly. Like, we're trying to make it better. Like, you're calling the police out. All this crazy stuff. Oh, I don't even think I mentioned that the police did come down there. An officer did come down and talk to Mike. And again, Mike, without a care in the world to give, the officer came over to him and was like, why are you down here recording everyone? And Mike was like, why are you down here recording everyone? Imagine being the police there. You have to be so tired of getting those calls to go down to the beach and deal with burnt Brent and everything else. So tired of it, honestly. I mean, I wish I could feel bad for them, but like that has to be the best detail you could have as a police officer. I always think about that when we're when my family is out like on our boat and stuff. And I see that, you know, the why can't I even think of their. The police on boats. The boat police. The boat police. And I see them like, wow, what a sweet job like that. You just ride around on your little boat all day long. And I mean, yeah, stop crime and stuff. But, you know. Sure. That's an after. Right. So since Sarah and the Shoreline Defender guy are really not seeing eye to eye with Mike, they don't think he's helpful to their cause whatsoever. Sarah finally contacts Mike and she's like, hey, your video vlog thing is really not good for us. Can you just not do that? And so she explains how, like, they don't want to upset people. Their goal here is to educate the public on where they can and can't be on the beach. They don't want Mike and his aggressive attitude, messing up all the progress that they've made. and they really just would rather he butt out. But Mike is invested fully. He's going hard. He says, no, this guy, Brent, I think he should have a few of his teeth removed. Hey, teeth removed comes up in mine as well. Amazing. We've got to, maybe that was the line that they made between the two. Yeah. So Sarah, at this point, we're seeing that now she's getting the opportunity to have a face-to-face meeting with the other resident, Eric, the one that she has had multiple feuds with. You know, he believes that the beach is private in front of his house. She thinks that she should be allowed to go to the beach there. So they're going to sit down at a restaurant and try to figure this thing out. So Eric is kind of they're brainstorming, you know, different things they can do. Eric's talking about, you know, like signs could be an option, but I hate signs. You know, he's like, I don't want to have the beach littered with a bunch of signs put up everywhere. And no one does, obviously. No one wants that. He's at this point saying, I do agree that I need to find someone from the other side, like Sarah, to work with him on this to find a solution. And so Sarah at this point flat out tells Eric that he's a disrespectful person. He's rude. People just genuinely and generally don't like him. And I kind of. OK, I will say. I wasn't on Sarah's side right there. I know. In this conversation, like, honestly, I didn't think Sarah was coming with her best foot forward necessarily. Yeah. And I could see why Eric is like he is the one. I mean, I don't I don't know. The whole thing is just very. There's not a likable person. There's not. Not a single one. No one to cheer for. Not a single one. Yeah. So basically, Sarah puts Eric on the spot. And, you know, she's like, well, instead of just trying to brainstorm all this, like, why don't you just open up your beach? Like, why don't you just let people just come to the beach there and stop making a big deal out of this? And he says, you know, basically that even if he did agree to have that in front of his house, that he can't control the rest of the community. He can't, you know, decide what other people want to do and other people don't want. Right. Don't want the public on their beach. So he's not the one that has the full say. And he said also, he can't just do that now. He can't just say, you can come to the beach in front of my house. Because then, as he says, tomorrow, he'd have 500 people camped out on the beach and they would be out there with signs. They'd be threatening him because of his video and because of his past views and all this and that. So he's like really future tripping is what I call that. Like where he's like, I can't do this because this is what might happen. Do they know how much shoreline there is, though? because they're all fighting about about 20 feet and there's just so much beach. So then Eric, he wants to get his punches in, too, I guess, you know, and so he's like, well, Sarah, he's like, why do you go down to the beach by my house? And then she kind of explains, like I said before, that's the closest beach access to her home. And that's why she goes there. And he does try to start telling her, you know, that there are six other public beach access points in town. And she's like, OK, but you don't get to tell me where I can and can't go to the beach. And at that point, I was like, you know what? I do agree with you, Sarah. I do agree with you. I knew you were going to be on that part of it. I absolutely knew. Because when I was like, you know what? If there was a closer one, Sarah wouldn't go to it. Sarah would still go to this other one. I knew she would. And I knew you would agree with her. It's true. They end up not resolving anything. Sarah ends up storming out of the restaurant because I guess she just gets sick of talking to him. I don't know. She tried to make it seem like he was being exceptionally rude to her. I didn't think that he was. I mean, I didn't think. I thought it was his baseline. Right. Like I thought that's just his personality. So I didn't think that he was doing anything extraordinary, but she did. And she shut the conversation down, I think just because she realized it wasn't going her way. But in the end of the of my portion of my story, you see Sarah again and she's talking about how she's trying to figure out what Eric's problem is. And she says, you know, once again, she reiterates that just because you have beachfront property doesn't give you the right to try to keep neighbors off the beach. And then Eric gets the last word and says that they won't give up the fight. So I guess there is still no resolution. There's no resolution. But if you go down there, please be mindful of the private property on the beach. Yeah. Be very careful and also not careful because apparently you can go wherever you want also. OK, Mandy, let's change gears and well, actually, let's keep it revved up because mine starts out pretty hot from the jump. I love it. So we are we're in Shawmut, Montana, and we're meeting two people, Seth and Josh. So we meet Josh. He's like this stocky guy, big beard, likes living out on the range Yeah There wasn a tree to be found Likes living way out He We see his kids like using cinder blocks to build a house which I like how long have they been doing this that he just now notices that they're building their own home out of cinder blocks? And it looked every bit as strong as their actual house. So Josh said the reason they moved to Montana was to have this barren land and turn it into a home. So he said in COVID in 2020, He wanted to leave big areas. And so he set out for Shammott, Montana. And he mentions that he never thought he'd have problems with a neighbor because he didn't think he'd have neighbors, which understandable. And so then you see him point literally three football fields away and says, those are my neighbors. So cut to our newest friend or person that's in the story, Seth Collins. And he says, this is my bug out that I built. And so you already know where we're at in the story. You already know what's going on. He moved in 2016. He said to get out of Portland. He said he knew that, and I've heard this before, like the 20th year of every century, there's like some kind of plague. So he knew about COVID before COVID was popular. So he got out of the way before everybody else. We now meet Starla, his wife, and she said they just wanted to move somewhere they could live to live their life and work their horses. And it's a beautiful area. I mean, lots of nothing, but that's kind of nice. I wouldn't even want to see a house. If I'm going to see nothing, I don't want to see a house. So that would bug me. So now we see where the problem is. Seth says when Josh first moved in, he wants to put gates up, which how are you? How do you have gates and fences in a place like this? And even with videos showing it, I still didn't understand. I know. Like, what is it blocking? I didn't get it. The cinder blocks? Because in some parts, like in some footage, you see like a fence or a gate. But then I'm like, OK, but where's the rest of it? Like, can't you just go around? Like, I don't. I wasn't understanding. That's what I was thinking. Can't you drive around the gate? Right. But I don't think you can. But maybe you can. I don't know. But anyway, Josh has these gates he's put up near his house. And Seth is like, you can't do that. these horses have been going through here for hundreds of years since the cowboys. And I was like, well, that's actually not a great argument. But if you said since you've been here, your horses have done that, I would feel more inclined to be like, open the gates. I feel like I would just because that would be super annoying, right? Like, obviously, if you it doesn't make a lot of sense, right, to move in somewhere and then block off animals that have traveled this path for a very long time. Like, that's the path. It's going to be a lot easier and less stress for you to just not do that. Like, don't block the block. I know. It does not make a lick of sense. This is just people who want to be right. And that basically could be what this entire show is called. People who want to be right. A hundred percent. So we see Josh out by the gate with this giant lock. And Josh says that the problems really started before they even moved out there. And so he shows this listing of the property and he's like, it's just greens and grass and there's no horses. Why would they put horses in the picture, Josh? You're not buying the horses. Why would they be in the listing picture. That makes no sense. So Josh says, you know, these horses, they're nuisances. They break his fence. They eat his hay. And Seth is like, they have plenty of hay. They can eat here. They just, if he'd opened the gates, the horses could get to their hay, which also confused me because what do you mean they can't go? Why do they have to go through there to get? Why? Right. Like, why is there hay on your property? I don't understand. I think he's saying there is hay on his property, but his horses can't get to his property. And then I'm like, well, then where are they living? Where are these horses? I know. I'm confused. Yeah. Wild horses, I guess. So anyway, we see Josh walking towards a horse. Now, this is a guy who has the horses that have just come onto his property. And he says, quote, look, bro, we ain't doing this today. Get out of here. And you know what? The horse got out of there. The horse ran away. Yeah. So we hear Seth saying you're not allowed to take motorized vehicles, like, legally and run them run animals off. So he's talking about what we see immediately is Josh's wife, Sarah. She's on an ATV and she's running towards horses. So the horses will go off their property. So we hear Starla say, we've told him to not run off the horses on vehicles. And so has Randall. Mandy, I wasn't prepared for Randall Oberg. I wasn't prepared for a lot. Meet Randall Oberg. His Chiron says, neighbor. And I don't know that that's a way I would describe this man. Randall is an older gentleman. He's got a long beard. They're filming this from like a motel or something. I actually figured it would be a jail cell, but it was not. He got lucky. So Randall to us is very calm and he's like, it's against the law to chase the horses with, you know, motorized vehicles. And okay, fine, Randall. I hear you. You know the law. And yeah, go ahead. Did you say yeehaw? I said, you know the law. Oh, well, yeehaw too. Yep, that too. So that's when we hear Josh say, the gate became a reality shortly after one of our neighbors threatened to kill me and my wife for about 15 minutes. To which I said, Randall, the little guy just sitting. Yeah, this guy with the beard just sitting in the hotel. Next thing we know, Randall has become possessed by a horse demon. I don't know. We see Josh's ring camera footage. Josh's little daughter is running for her life towards the gate. Randall's in what I can only guess is like a tank, an army tank. I don't know what the vehicle was. It had camouflage all over it. And he pulls into the yard with all these kids in the yard. They have four kids. Little ones. Little. Yeah, they're like eight and under, I would say. They're little. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With all the kids in the yard, he comes out talking about Randall screaming, who the F do you think you are, B? And when I say he's screaming, it terrified me to see it. I can't imagine being on the other side or being a kid. That was awful. It was scary. It was really scary. That was terrifying enough. But Randall's not done. Randall now says to us, he says, it was in the morning. I had just had my first cup of coffee and I see the horses come running. So I knew someone on a four-wheeler is chasing my horses. We cut back to possessed Randall and he's screaming at Josh's wife, screaming, screaming. And then Randall is watching the footage. They give him like a phone to watch the ring camera footage on it. And he goes, oh, I just called his wife a C word on his own property. Sir. I probably would have been upset myself. Yeah. What? What? What is you? Are you saying this was you upset or are you saying that wasn't even you upset? Because why is this man just around? Why is he around in life in general? In the world? Stay in Montana, please. I mean, I think he wanted to just be left alone in Montana and he tried. Please. But Josh, please don't don't make him do this again. After, you know, Randall's just said what he said about being upset, we see Randall on the ring camera screaming, you shut the F up or I'll get my gun and shoot you dead. Mandy, do you think Randall had access to a gun at that very minute? I do. I absolutely do. Yeah. Probably more than one option at hand. He would have just had to decide which gun he wanted to use. josh says to us during this conversation you know randall started off very aggressive and then he came down a little bit immediately we cut to the footage of him saying to josh i never said i'd shoot your wife and josh was like i have it on camera which thank goodness but next randall the king of hospitality in this town, I guess, says, and I'm not kidding you, he says this on the ring camera to Josh after calling his wife a C-word and scaring the crap out of his children. I'd love you guys to come over for a barbecue. Oh, yeah. How quickly would you RSVP to that one, Mandy? I'd set my whole house on fire and start a new life. I'd be out of there. No, it was really wild. And honestly, to see footage of someone screaming like that, it was really scary. If I didn't know any better, I would have thought that I was about to witness something like really bad happening. I can't believe we didn't, unless it's one of those things like on Dateline when they take somebody from a jail cell and they put them in a room to make it look like they're not actually in jail, because Randall should have been in jail. That was clearly a very scary threat. Josh said from there, the gate became a security blanket for his kids. And I absolutely agree. I can see how your kids were terrified. And we see the little kids talking to their dad and their mom about what happened. And the little girl who has to be four years old, five years old says, I feel like he was going to come to my house and drag my dad out and kill him. Poor baby. I know. But the other boy who I'm going to call Josh Jr., because he was so dramatic and the way he was speaking, he said, it's not fun having the half gate, but that's the nature of the beast. And I was like, you're so cute. The kids were really cute. Super cute. Yeah. And so now we're back to Seth and Seth is like, this is all his fault though. He put a fence on a pasture and Josh is saying, I'm standing up for what's mine and they don't like it. And Starla, who I think is the star of this, says that you can bring the country to town, but you can't bring the town to the country. If you want to, go back to the city, which I'm going to kind of agree with her on that one. I think there's different rules out there. There is. Yeah. And so now we see Seth, he's driving in his truck. He's trying to find all of this. Why are all these horses? Oh, I guess they're just out on the pasture. Okay, never mind. We see Seth driving And he's like, I got to get all my horses together before this storm comes. And he gets to Seth's gate and he yells, it's a road. I need to use the road. We see Josh standing with his hands on his hip and his little hoodie with the hoodie above his head next to his house. Not saying a word, just mean mugging. In real time, I was like, this is actually hilarious. Seth is like, I'm calling the cops again. You know, we're going to have to do this. My gosh, the cops are used so much in this episode. So then we see Seth put on a headset. Mandy, I thought he was going to be gaming. Is that what you thought? No. You didn't think he was going to be gaming? No. You thought he was going to be logging onto court? Which I was not expecting Zoom court to be the next thing to happen. So we see Seth on his headset. And I think Randall's in the background, which absolutely terrified me. And then we have Josh and his wife at their home on the computer speaking to the judge. And Seth really just asked for one thing to this judge. He says, we have the right to a speedy trial, to which the judge says, this is civil, not criminal. So no, you don't. And Seth is like, well, this is criminal. What's he what he's doing? And they mentioned the judge is like, could we try mediation? The judge is like, yes, let's do mediation. So they're planning for a mediator. Now we cut to the role of Josh, who's singing songs from The Hobbit movies. And then he said it was sung by a lot of people on TikTok, including him. We find out that Josh is a TikToker and a very popular one. He has 2.1 million followers. I checked today and he still has that many, but he's called the Bearded Bard on TikTok. He uses this business for woodworking and blacksmithing, and he makes kitchen axes. Mandy, did you notice when he was on a walking pad with the blacksmithing mask over his face and working on something while he's walking on the walking pad? No, I must have missed that. It's like a blink and you miss it, but what is happening? Also, walk outside. You've got five billion acres. Please, man. I love a walking pad. See, I'm not balanced enough to do it. I have to have something that I can hold, not necessarily hold on to, but is there. Because I walk right off of it I can walk straight So we find out that Josh in his TikToks plays a lot of characters And really the only thing I notice about these characters as far as differences is he put different hats on He showed us three characters and it just was three different hats on his head. And I was like, okay. He does the Lord of the Rings Frodo voice, I think, where it's like my precious or whatever. Very good, actually. I actually thought it was good. Never seen it. I haven't either, but I've seen clips. I'm cultured. I've never seen clips. I'm cultured. So Starla is talking about Josh and that Starla is Seth's wife and says half of Josh's life is fantasy, half of it's a lie. And maybe. Besides using his TikTok for business, though, Josh found out that if you talk bad about your neighbors on TikTok, you can get a lot of views. We're talking hundreds of thousands of views, if not millions. Yeah, people love that drama. That's what he said. And he said, people love the drama. And he said, I did feed into it a little bit, which I appreciate, Josh. Thank you for telling us the truth. Now we see Seth, who says, somehow this idiot has two million followers, which. Agree. I mean, I could not believe he had two million followers. But it do be like that sometimes. It do be like that sometimes. Starla starts reading some of the messages she's gotten because of Josh's TikTok, because Josh is literally saying, Starla, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, I don't think he's obviously using last names, but people can figure things out. There's how many people are even in that zip code. Right. Counting Randall. And I don't think he's even on the grid. I feel like everyone that lives in that zip code was in this episode. They were. And so Starla's reading the messages in there. I just put a note that I won't be reading them. They were pretty bad. And so we find out there's a commenter that Josh thinks is Seth making these mean comments about him. And Seth's name on TikTok, I guess, is Ogre. And the reason Josh thinks it's one of his, oh my gosh, I love this. He said on one comment, you can role play. Great. Can you role play that you're a good neighbor? Who else would write that? It's not Randall. I don't think he has the internet. So Josh cracked me up after reading another ogre comment to which he replied. It was like this really mean comment that he thinks Seth wrote, but he reads it and he goes, you're going to have to try a lot harder than that. I'm a fat guy on the internet. and I just died. Self-awareness king. He really is, though. He really is. He's a very specific person. Everyone has met someone like Josh. And it's the love-hate kind of thing where you're like, sometimes you're so funny, but I still want to. I'm not going to say I want to kill him. He's been threatened to be killed enough. Poor guy. Now Seth goes into a bit of a monologue about all the things in the world that we should be scared about. And if everybody knew about them, we'd all be changed today. And we got another fisheye bowl thing of chaos, just so much chaos. It said nudity on this episode. And I was like, where was the nudity? And then I realized it was in like one of the things that was in. Yeah. In like one of those. I was like, oh, OK. Not like I was looking for it, but I was like. It sounds like you were looking for it. I just couldn't figure out where it was coming from. Josh, of course, says this whole thing is stressful, which I imagine it is. And the neighbor thing makes it harder. So now we are out in the woods. Seth has a dynamite stick, and he tells the camera crew to run. And they do. And the dynamite stick blows up. And that's when Seth shows us his cave. It's a fallout shelter slash science project, is what he said. If there's a world war, you can find him and his family in the cave down there when the world falls apart. And then he even said if Josh and him were getting along, he'd let him in his cave. How nice. Very nice. Not if Randall's there. So now we see Josh near a fence. And we see Starla and other people on the horses coming towards him. And he goes, oh, no, they're coming straight for us. As if Josh couldn't get in his vehicle and run. As if Starla's done anything to him. But Starla just comes up on the horse and hands him these ropes and says, hey, is this yours? And he's like, yeah, I've been looking for that for like a year. She's like, yeah, I saw it in the field. You haven't found that in the field for a year and you're worried about people being on your property? There's pieces of property you don't even know about. I mean, come on. You haven't even visited all of your property. Right. You haven't even seen it. You're on a walking pad inside, sir. Come outside. Look around. So, of course, Brittany, Josh's wife, I wouldn't mess with her. She says, they're just showing, they just brought you that because there's cameras here. They're just trying to play nice. And I was like, maybe. But it worked good for me. I bought into it. Hook, line, and sinker. So we see Starla now dancing to a song called Old Country Boy. I did Google it and read some of the lyrics, and it's interesting. And her son and Seth's son is shooting at something, not specifically, just shooting at things. And she's saying to her son, I hope they do the right thing with this mediation. We hope this mediation goes well. So now we've reached the day of mediation. Josh says he's going to do his best to stay calm. Starless says to her family she hopes it goes well. And now we meet a new character. And this was an unlocked character I was very surprised about, but I really liked. His name is R.J. Deacon. He is the mediator. And he comes in full Fonzie style on a motorcycle and with a leather jacket out here. And he says it's his first mediation and he doesn't feel very confident, which I think is why he came in with a leather jacket. I'm going to feel my best in a leather jacket. Like, I know what's going on in the world, right? You're just going to feel there's confidence there. He didn't even wear a helmet. I mean, like, also, though, for a confidence boost, maybe don't disclose that this is your first time. I know. I thought the same thing. I was like, tell the cameras, but don't tell anybody else. But then after that, he said, you know, about being a little nervous about this mediation, which he should have been a lot nervous. He said, but, you know, how do you eat an elephant? You do it one bite at a time. Okay. So now we've got this guy on animal crimes and maybe we should have him go see Randall. So both couples come up and they're coming to this mediator sitting on a motorcycle. Okay. This is very specific. And Mandy, I'm not sure if you'll know, but I hope our listeners do. There is a video or this old clip of Kim Kardashian with Kanye West and they're on a motorcycle and it's supposed to look like real sexy and stuff. But then Seth Rogen recreated it. I've seen the recreation. You know what I'm talking about? That's what I felt like this guy was modeling. He was just kind of like posing on his motorcycle, and I loved it so much. So the couple's there, the mediator's in the middle, and immediately they're arguing about the gates. They're all arguing. The mediator's literally chilling on his bike. But Seth walks up to Josh, and he says, listen, I'm offering a hand to be a neighbor. And Josh shakes it, and you're like, everything's fine. Actually, I'm just kidding. They shake hands and then Seth says, I know it's your property, but if everyone out here has a gate like you, which means three people, how would we be able to function out here if everyone had a gate? And we get a dramatic pause. And Seth says, Josh, it's just yes or no. What is it? And Josh says, yeah, everybody would function. And so now Seth is pissed. Everyone's pissed because that's not the answer that Seth wants. And Seth starts bringing up his two million followers. But it's also irrational. I still feel like they're being a little irrational about the gates. Okay. Like to me, this is very much one of those like pick your battles kind of things. And like, why do you need these gates? But like the argument they were making is that like, yeah, you're the only one living right here right now. But like there's these other plots of land that like people can move to. Like people can build houses out here. Like this isn't your private road that you have free reign to block off. Like this is the road that leads to if people were to move here, like they would have to travel this road to get there, the road that you have blocked off. And so like to me, like, yeah, logically, that makes sense. Right. To be like, if everybody lived that lived on every single one of these plots of land, if there was a house on all of them and everyone had a fence, like, how is that going to work? How is that going to you know, how is that going to be functional for the entire community? And yeah, there was don't worry. Josh said it will work. And everybody said it's everybody don't need that. Yeah, it's fine. after the handshake too i was kind of sad so seth's pissed everyone's pissed seth brings up his two million followers josh brings up names he's been called online by someone named ogre which he's pretty sure is sean and the mediator is standing between them like he's going to stop them from fighting but he was never planning on stopping them from fighting he was scared he didn't want to be there yeah no the mediator said okay i think we're done here which i i didn't even think you had to come out here britney says something like um that they're liars or something and starla comes back with what happened earlier in this episode and said, I'll knock your teeth down your throat, which seems to be a pretty popular way to threaten people in 2026. So Seth tells her, control yourself, lady, and both sides end up walking back to their vehicles. Seth's like, it's not worth it. The law is going to fix it. I don't know if that's true. We end the episode by finding out that Seth is a dungeon master of Dungeons and Dragons since he was 12 years old. That was not all that surprising. No, no, I wasn't surprised at all. I was even less surprised when he said that too bad Josh is the way he is because we could play together because Josh is also a dungeon master. Also not surprised. That was where I was really like, oh, no, this all makes sense. And said, you know, if they were cool, we would have already played. I think Seth needs a friend. I think that's what this whole thing is. Seth just really wants a friend. so we leave seeing josh standing next to his gate and it says and he says if you can move move if not you need to be able to defend yourself now we back up in our little production vehicle and see josh standing at the gate with a giant sword and that's where we end the episode the sword is bigger than josh yeah it was a little out of place it was very out in the episode yeah so fun i really enjoyed it Yeah. 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