WhistlinDiesel Arrest, Koenigsegg Chaos, and the New Honda Prelude Costs How Much?!

Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Fulipo. And this is gonna be our biggest pod ever. There is so much to cover starting with the biggest news story of the week, Whistlin' Diesel's a wrap. We got some drama news first and then we'll get into car news. Whistlin' Diesel has been arrested to travesty. No, I'm kidding. It's not a travesty. And I wanna just do it. Coming out strong against Cody. Are you ready? Listen, I wanna start by saying I am an absolute, I am Whistlin's biggest fan. I watch every video. I love Whistlin'. I have been on the record talking about how much I adore Whistlin' Diesel. Yeah, we bought one of, we bought, Fulipo died. Yeah, we bought part of his G-Wagon that he tore apart and he sold parts of it. We love, I love Whistlin' Diesel. He got arrested this week. Ostensibly, what's been published and what he has confirmed is that he got arrested for tax evasion for Montana plates on his car, on his Ferrari. And he, which he destroyed. By burning down a cornfield. It burned down a cornfield. Which is, that's all that's upset Fulipo. What, he was upset about the car? Fulipo's upset about the corn. He has already come out and I've decided I'm gonna use our podcast today, the largest automotive podcast to do a little Montana plates rant. I think it's time to just really cover this and shut this all down. Buckle in, Fulipo, here we go. I am back for a day. Whistlin', who I love dearly and sincerely, has already gone on his Instagram and started to advocate for himself. Using the primary argument that people who do the Montana plate thing use, which is, I don't own the car, a business in Montana owns the car, therefore I am not liable to pay taxes in my state of Tennessee. There's only one problem with that. The law in the state of Tennessee, which I have right here, disagrees with you. The law is very clear. It says a non-resident owner of a private passenger automobile, that would be the Montana LLC, is the non-resident owner, who operates the vehicle in this state, shall not be entitled to reciprocity in a period in excess of 30 days. And the problem with the argument, well, I don't own the car, they own the car in Montana, so the state law doesn't distinguish. And this is the issue that almost everybody has when I see these arguments on Wrenlist and on Ferrari Chat and on Reddit. Oh, but I don't own the car. The law says, if you operate in the state for more than 30 days, you must re-register the vehicle in the state. That's what Tennessee law is. It doesn't care who owns the car. God himself could own the car. But if God is operating the car in Tennessee for 30 days, he's gotta register in Tennessee. The law is very clear. It does not talk about the owner of the car, it talks about the place where the car is operated. Now, I suspect the reason that the states have difficulty proving this, they have to prove that the car has been. They have to prove that the car has been in the states for 30 days. Used to be difficult to prove, but something interesting has happened. Over the last decade, license plate readers have showed up all over the country. You do not notice them when you are driving around. They are high up on telephone poles and there are license plate readers that look down and constantly are getting license plate information. Now, here in California, a little lib state, license plate readers have been very lightly dispatched and the use of license plate readers has been heavily curtailed to the California Highway Patrol. They are basically not really able to use license plate readers for the purposes of enforcing this law. Isn't they can't even look back beyond that? They only can look back 90 days unless there's like a murder they're investigating. So they're not using it for this purpose. However, in the Republican states, which are super blue lives matter, let's enforce the law, there has been a much different deployment of license plate readers. And the result of that is that these states do have the ability to pretty easily figure out if you have been operating your car in the state for 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, or many years. Now, I looked up the law in a few states. California law is the same. They don't care who owns the car. Montana person, Florida person, if you're in the car, in the state with the car for 30 days, you have to register it in the state. That's the law. Utah has an amazing law. They start tying it to insurance. And I think this is the real key to the whole thing because Utah has figured out nobody's gonna play the game with insurance. What everybody does is they get a cheap liability policy in Montana and then they get a full insurance policy in the state where they actually operate the car because you have to if you get an accident. The Utah's law is, hey, if you insure the car in Utah, you have to register in Utah. That will put a stop to the Montana thing completely if you get pulled over. Now, I will say, I looked this up. There are some states that do not tie operation of the car to registration. Louisiana, a guy in Louisiana arrested for doing this with an RV, which is also a popular Montana thing because they're so expensive, took him to court and the court sided with him. The Louisiana law said that if an owner has the car, then he has to register it and he was like, well, I'm not the owner of the Montana. And the court actually said with him and he didn't have to pay his fees. Louisiana law and there are probably other states that law is vague about this and you could get away with it. But that's not true in California. It's not true in Tennessee. It's not true in Utah. I have a friend in Massachusetts who got his car impounded. Really? Run Montana plates and they impounded the car until he registered in Massachusetts. And you cannot get away anymore with the days of license plate readers. And I think that Whistlin Diesel and I love him dearly. He is my everything. I mean this, I love it. He's my favorite YouTuber. I think this is kind of the beginning of the end for the Montana situation. He's an example. I think they are trying to make an example of him and the fact that Tennessee is cracking down, everybody's like, oh, California is cracking down. Hey liberals, they want to get everything, governments in your pocket. Well, Tennessee, Georgia had a big thing a couple of years ago where they arrested, like these states want their money. They don't care if it's Republican's or they want their money. And I think that this is gonna be the end of the month. The beginning of the end of the Montana thing is license plate readers and the state's actually trying to go after it. Now, I will say, the thing that makes me sad about this is that there are legitimate reasons to do Montana. California's smog laws are actually stupid. Like my G-Wagon, which we spent 10 months and $10,000 in order to get a California compliant just to prove to the state of California that it has the very same engine that it had in Europe that it had in the US. We still had to spend a year and $10,000. I think it's totally reasonable to run Montana plates so you can avoid smog when you're not actually polluting anymore. And guess what? After all those 10 months in the state lab, they discovered, oh, it has the same emissions profile. It's stupid, it's silly. Those kind of things, inspection. If you want to have your stanced LS-400 in New Jersey and you don't want to go to state inspection, well, I'm here for you. Maybe there's a reason the state doesn't want it. No, we let those people fly their LS-400 flag. And the thing that annoys me is that for all of you who are out there doing, you know, when I see a hurricane on Montana's, I'm like, what a loser. When I see a right hand drive Delica on a South Dakota plate, give them a little nod and you move on. Montana though, for all of us who have done it to avoid smog, we don't care about the taxes, to avoid smog, to avoid inspection, it has been ruined by people, rich people who didn't want to pay sales tax on their McLaren. And that has come and has got you. And if you're out here driving one of these cars that is doing Montana's because you, you know, have to get away from the inspection people, the right hand drive thing, you should be annoyed that these people with their Huracans and with their McLaren's have gone out and tried to avoid taxes. Now I want to make two other quick points here. The biggest argument I see about Montana online when it comes up, well, all the U-Hauls are registered in Arizona. Huh, how do they get away with it? U-Hauls and commercial trucks are governed by a company called the International Registration Plan, which gives a portion to license plates to commercial vehicles. This allows commercial vehicles, unrelated to supercars, to pay state taxes based on the miles they drive within each state. This was created decades ago, back in the day, trucks operating over the road used to have five license plates on them for the states they went to. That was decided to be stupid. So now you register in one state, but you pay taxes to all the states. That's how it's done. It's a commercial truck thing. It's totally unrelated. It has nothing to do with this. And I was on Reddit and I saw some guy got 500 upvotes being like, well, U-Haul does it, so why can't Whistlin? It's not the same. U-Haul has a, there is a specific law, a reciprocity agreement between all states that covers U-Hauls. I also want to make the point, the other big argument I see when people get into this whole thing, oh well, fine, you're supposed to pay the sales tax, but they're going to use it stupidly and you shouldn't pay sales tax on a used good. Change the law. This is a democracy. Change the law. You know why you haven't changed the law yet? Because there's not a lot of empathy out there for people who get in and say, I can't believe they're charging me sales tax on a used $300,000 Ferrari. That's why the law hasn't been changed yet, because most people actually agree with the law. They want to use the roads and have police and fire departments. And there was no sympathy for people, oh, they're not going to use the money right. Well, then get the law changed. There is no political will to change the law because the law is correct as it is written. No matter how much you don't want to pay sales tax because you can barely afford your hurricane. I will say one thing in Whistlin' Diesel's defense. I think it's wild, he got arrested. Any other state, every other state I've heard deal with this, it's a letter in the mail. We know you're avoiding sales tax. You got 30 days to pay up, make it right. To go and arrest a person, I mean, I know they're trying to make an example, it's stupid. It's just silly. They wouldn't have done it for any other person other than him. Everybody else, you get a letter, here's your tax burden, we know you're lying. If you want to challenge it, you can do this. No arrest, it's silly, it's an idiotic thing to do. I hope it benefits him greatly. I hope that he's able to make an amazing video based on your arrest. I think it has, based on what he's posted. I think it's actually been a good thing for him. So there's my Montana plate rant. I wanted to cover all of the arguments, all my thoughts on the Montana thing. It's sketch. I know a California collector who had a really, DMV sent him a letter. He paid the tax after, but they got in a ton of trouble recently, my Massachusetts friend, the Utah thing. This is going away. The license plate readers is gonna put this away and I'm gonna be able to do this anymore. My car's registered in California, don't have to think about it. Obviously all of mine are, what do you think they are? My full 20, $35,000 of vehicle value is all here. I really appreciate, legitimately, that 11 minute rundown of. I do think it's important. You support all of these arguments online by people who think they know better. And the simple truth is, there's a lot more to this than you realize. And there's no reason why the states don't wanna go after their money. Right, and they have a lot of incentive to do it. I am surprised, I'm disappointed, but not surprised by the example that they've tried to create here in Whistlin' Needle. There's also some question in my mind of whether there's additional charges that the state may want to break. It seemed a lot of money in bail for this. Two million and two bail notes. It was reported as both two million and 200,000. Now in some states, you can put up 10% bail to get out. So I'm not sure which was the correct one. It still seems like a lot, considering that probably their assessment of his sales tax evasion is 20 grand. Yeah, 70% of the value. If you pay attention to his videos, he's got all these cards registered in Montana. There's probably a six-figure balance due there. But I wouldn't be shocked that it's the same if there's another shoe that drops on some of this, but nevertheless, quite a big show force for a tax evasion issue. Yeah, it is. It's kind of silly, to be honest. And I feel bad for, I mean, he doesn't care, probably. Like he loves it. He loves it as a channel he bailed out in two hours. It's no big deal. He's gonna write the text, the thing and whatever. But I do think it's a bit of a silly thing to do. But I also think like this is kind of the beginning of, this Montana thing, if you're still doing this, you're looking at him, you gotta rest it. I have personal stories. A lot of people have personal stories. These states know what's going on. And this is not gonna continue to last. Do we know anybody who's doing Montana anymore? Just Nick. But he's not. He stopped. The multiple, I believe. Another good example of a car that has done Montana because the smog regulation is ridiculous. He's gonna do 1,000 miles a year in that car. He's, you know, sales tax on a car would be 100 bucks. Right, exactly. Which he'd happily pay. But now he's getting screwed because all the high profile people have gone out there and made a big thing of it, stealing money from these states. And so now nobody can do it. Oh, let me put it as a, drive it around. We know some people. I have some acquaintances. Some acquaintances, yeah. But we all, all of us have dabbled in it. I've heard. Never once in a while. There was a, there were thoughts on all of our minds that we would at some point. I've literally never considered it. I talked about it, but like it didn't end up being a thing. And now it won't. I'm not doing anymore. This is clear. I'm not getting arrested. Come on. They did not for that car. It was. It's also just not worth it. Yeah. No, it really, it really is. If you can afford the car, pay the tax, or so many of these states allow loopholes, like, oh, right the amount on the bill of sale. Like take advantage of that. I'm sure Tennessee, you know Tennessee is not out there checking. Don't just follow your state, guide it and law. Follow your state's guidelines and rules. But if they have lax rules around the bill of sale. All right. I can see a bead of sweat coming out of the papers for it. You get my point. Welcome back. That is in all honesty, that is another thing. I look at these singers and I'm astonished. These guys are driving around in what is titled as a 1989 portion of 11. That is a $23,000 car to your state tax authority. And they're still driving on templates. I'm like, what are you thinking? Just get the damn car titled. What is wrong with you? Anyway, when we first started selling our own merch at merch.carsandbids.com, I thought how hard can it be? And then suddenly I'm dealing with product pages, photos, inventories, shipping labels, all the stuff that nobody warns you about. That's when Shopify became our not so secret weapon. It turned something overwhelming into something we can actually manage. Shopify powers millions of businesses around the world, including 10% of all e-commerce in the US. Brands like Mattel and Gem Shark rely on it, and now we do too. What makes Shopify so good is how fast it gets you up and running. 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Christian Vaughn of making an unreliable car. I don't want to say anymore on the topic. I think my thoughts have been out there. Sure have. I think you got two interesting characters going at it here. It's fascinating to see a very wealthy man with Quetta Collection call out an automaker and then have the CEO and founder of that automaker then respond via Instagram reels to it. It's like, what is happening? Back in the day, Frusci Lambergini criticized Enzo Ferrari for his, I think it was clutches in the cars and then what happened was a spike company. I don't think that's exactly going to happen here. It's kind of. I do want to make a point here. Hamilton was complaining because the Koenigsegg that he currently has has been unreliable. And Christian came out and said, well, the car had had deferred maintenance and you drove it before we could do work on it. And also you have another, if you hate it so much, why you have another one coming? I will say two things. One, everyone I know who has Koenigsegg has problems with them. Whether or not they are willing to admit that is interesting. I noticed some people in some of the comment sections being like, we love the Koenigsegg. People are afraid of not getting other ones. They're not getting more allocations. I know people who have problems. With that said, the coolest thing about this company and you're surprised to see them respond on Instagram reels. Not surprised, it's interesting. This, the coolest thing about this company is that the guy is here. Yeah. The guy is here. Imagine if you could have bought a Ferrari from Enzo. Imagine if you could have bought a Lamborghini from Frucio. If you buy a Bugatti, you are buying from a large multinational conglomerate. Oh, and by Volkswagen, yeah. And they take you to the factory in that house and they give you a nice meal and they just say all these things, but like... The man's name's on the car. You're buying from Enzo. I mean, that's what's happening. And so like the cars are trouble, but they're also the highest echelon of insane. And you kind of expect trouble. Yes. I mean, famously the cars push the envelope of automotive engineering and creative new ideas and it's all kind of experimental. I mean, it's tech and stuff, but it is largely... I mean, that's why people are attracted to the cars and that's why they produce the horsepower figures they can and all those things. So it's like, I agree. I think it's kind of par for the course. Like what did you expect? This is a company in Sweden making super cars. Making all the individual parts. And the guy is here. Right, it's a boutique thing. Imagine if we could have bought a 250 PF from Enzo at the factory in the day. Well, the market doesn't like the PF, but yes, I agree. Don't you agree that you would have put up with more temperamental BS if you could have shaken the guy's hand? Yes. Because you feel like you're buying not just a car, like a Bugatti, but you're buying like this, like this. You're in the period with the man. In a hundred years when he's dead and Koenigsegg has become what Ferrari is, a company that has been radically and sized up by private equity that makes an SUV, there will be people who talk about how they shook Christian's hand and used to own him in the days when it wasn't so easy. You shook Christian's hand, you should know better. Yeah, it's a, you're absolutely right. I agree with that. I just think it is wild to live in a world where the guy whose name is on the car is calling out a customer. And that's the cool thing about it. It is, incredibly. To me, that's the cool thing about it. Horatio, like that's, to me, that's not- Well, Horatio's translator to be clear. That is 40% of in my mind what makes Pagani and Koenigsegg cool is that you can shake the man's hand. And honestly, he wants to. Like he wants to meet his customers and talk to them and have these experiences with them. And Ferrari, have you talked to your dealer? Well, or they'll see you. Or they'll see you. He would have gone a little later from Ferrari. Right, if he had done this about Ferrari, oh my God, Ceasen Dissist. Yeah, I would have gotten a Ceasen Dissist later to frame like everybody else. He's never said anything bad about the company. Totally, but here, you're, I just, to me, I wouldn't, I don't know that I would buy a Koenigsegg. I don't know if I would wanna put up with it. The people who do put up with it are also putting up with a test bed of experimental at the very cutting edge of insane technology and customer service from the guy. It's so cool. That's part of what you're able to say in my opinion. I'm with him. I don't necessarily think either of them are wrong as a result. Hamilton's got a legitimate problem. The car is troublesome. However, Christian's saying, oh well, the cars are troublesome, but like, here we are. This isn't Ferrari. This isn't Toyota. You're obviously spending an incredible amount of money to get a product. And you want that product to work and to get to service. But also, yeah, you're buying that car because you want the ultimate. You want the pinnacle. And having the, part of having the experience is, yeah, reliability may be a little bit difficult because and also like the experience of being direct line to the factory, that kind of stuff, which you can never get from the other automakers. I'm just looking forward to the day when Horacio Pragani's translator yells at somebody else and or Gordon Murray yells at somebody through Instagram too. I'm looking forward to that. All right, there's a lot more news. Starting with, we got the next news story, which honestly is even more controversial than the other two. Listen, we've beat up Honda on this podcast and I feel bad because the Passport is an okay car. I just make fun of it. This is a travesty. Okay. This is the Honda Prelude. The Prelude is back, Kenan's excited. I was familiar. It is a front wheel drive, 200 horsepower, hybrid four cylinder CVT. More than that. More than that. It is entirely based on the Civic Hybrid. Yeah, which is a great car. Great car, great car. $30,000 phenomenal car, great fuel economy, fun to drive by those standards. More torque than a Civic SI. Yeah, where are you headed with that? Well, how much is the Prelude, Doug? Okay, so the Civic is 30 grand. Honda's come out the Prelude with destination $43,195 for a front wheel drive Civic Hybrid wearing a dress, which admittedly is a nice looking car. The new Nissan Z as a comparison point, which by the way has a 400 horsepower V6, that's double for those of you who have a, if you don't have X-Tru calculator, I'm just gonna tell you, it's good. Starts at $44,000. That's the same. A base Mustang is less. A base Mustang is less. A two series. A two series is less. Yeah. Wow. Wow, that is nuts. What are they thinking? This is $13,000 more expensive than the Honda Civic on which it's based. This is one of the single worst strategy. And then they're gonna go, well, we came back, the Prelude came back, no one bought it. Enthusiasts said they wanted it and we brought it back. Yep, we didn't want this. Are you astonished by that? Let me think about, okay, their justification, it's probably, it is a more premium experience. The interior is a little bit nicer. It's more stylish. It's more here. It's somewhere between a Civic SI and a Civic Hybrid and Sporty, that's probably. And that's worth $13,000. Yeah, but it ain't. But it ain't. So much rather have a Z than this. So much. Not even close. You would expect it to be three to five grand more than the Civic, I think. Like a coupe often a little more expensive than the sedan version. Yeah. I could, especially with the suspension. 13's a big number. $43,000. Z is $44,000. It's the same price as a Z. A Z, yeah. That's 40% more than the Civic. Think about in the 90s, if you could have gone to the dealer and bought the 97 Prelude, which is a beloved car, or a 300 ZX twin turbo. Right. I love the Prelude dearly. Why are they coming to take the Prelude? The ZX. Doug just loves the Prelude as it turns out. I did love that 97 Prelude. Type S is just a great car. Type S is a great car. Shame that this is the. But yeah, that's a shame that this is where that lineage has ended up. That's just sad. How did they get to that price? How did they get to the number? I think 40% more. Why would they think the market has any possible, what's gonna happen? I mean, it can't last more than a year or two. Unless they are positioning it against the 230i, which is a reasonable like positioning for an Acura. Yeah. If it was an Acura with another 50 horsepower, an Integra Coupe, okay. Part of Honda's proposition in general, in Acura's, is that it's a better value compared to rivals. Like the ADX, which is kind of a mediocre car, but compared to the Q3 and the JLA, it offers more features, less money. Yeah. This offers less features for more money and it doesn't have a badge. It's a Honda. And it's not like, they didn't go retro with the styling. It doesn't look like it'll prelude. Like it's not gonna pull those heart strings. Yeah. So what's the point? I'm starting the decision. I've been trying to make sense of it. They announced this maybe a few days ago. I've been honestly trying to make sense of it. I truly can't. You're right. They're gonna say it's a more premium experience. It's a more special car to prelude. It's more beautiful and the suspension. All that's true. Pricing it more than a Mustang and at the same level as a Z, are they joke? I'm like, what's the... Yeah. What happened? I do wanna correct something I said. It apparently shares suspension components with the Type R, which is a 40... It better be the NSX Type R. The Type R has a $45,000 MSRP. I'm, you're paying that much. I'll spend another $4,000, 3 grand for a Type R. Even Filippo would spend the extra money to go up to the Type R. Honest question. What is the Civic SI and these parts off the Honda parts counter at a dealership cost? Good question. Right. Modding culture. Also, a Civic SI has 32 grand. Civic SI's 32. Yeah. To your point. This is more torque, but still. No. I don't know. It's just kind of... What is it? What is a GR Corolla? What does a GR Corolla cost? More, but... Is it more? No, a Cor is 38.6. 38.6? Oh my God. This is five grand more than a GR Corolla, which by the way has a hundred more horsepower, right? Is a GR Corolla at 300 horsepower? Sorry, I should say that was 2025. 2026, which starts at 39.9. So, in regards to less. Tell me though, is a GR Corolla 300 horsepower car with a hatchback and probably at least the same level of suspension parts because it's like the ultimate... And all the drive. Well, and a complimentary one year membership to the National Autosport Association. Really? That's a value. Dude, so ultimately this car is going to go into production. It will be a failure after two years. In the meantime, you should buy the Corolla or the Z or the Genuine the A. I want to totally, I want to go back on something I said earlier. If you buy one of these, you should absolutely do the Montana plate thing because... Because you need to save every penny you can after wasting tens of thousands of dollars on the purchase price of this car. I'm excited for Honda to have a product that dealers struggle to sell. Those dealers haven't experienced it in a while. It is so interesting. It's basically a sharp in the breeze. The Montana has this bizarre Core 6, right? That they just sell a hell out of and they're amazed. All, every one of those cars is either a second liter or a second bed. The second car would be the pilot, all great. All great. And then they just struggle to figure out how to iterate on that. And this is not that. This is honestly, I think, one of the worst value propositions in the car world today. Needless to say, I won't be getting a press car. So if you buy one of these and you won't... Bring it on down here so I can review it. Fear not. There'll be a lot of dealers working. You'll have no problem finding one. I'll do one at two years. I'll do a dealer review of a 25. A leftover 25. And by the way, there will only be 25. So we talked a month ago about how in Japan they have a bunch of pre-orders, but they're from an older population. I don't even think they're getting it. I get that here. I don't understand how they will. Old people are either. They go, look at this. It's too low. Not appealing. Not appealing. Next news story. Okay. This is my single favorite news story of the year. Wild. All right. Are you familiar with the Nissan Rogue? Yes. Very famous vehicle. Sure. It's a Nissan compact SUV. They sell 250,000-ish a year. So a lot of them. There is a car that's based on the Nissan Rogue and has been as it came out, which is the Mitsubishi Outlander. It's a plug-in hybrid vehicle, or available to plug-in hybrid, and it's based on the Rogue, but they restyled it. They like have, it has some new sheet metal, has a slightly different interior. Okay. Right? There's now a new Nissan, which is the Rogue plug-in hybrid, which is that, which is identical to a Mitsubishi Outlander. So Mitsubishi years ago, when the D-Generation Rogue came out, did a small, like, restyled badge-engineered car. Nissan has now stolen that entire design, literally the entire design, except for like the badge and the front grille. How is it stolen? Stolen. They're the same company. They're reusing that exact design for their car. So they have a Rogue, and then a Rogue hybrid that looks different, but looks identical to a car sold by a different manufacturer. Okay. Okay. I am gonna hit you. But it has slightly worse specs, because Outlander has a 2026 facelift that included a bigger battery that the Rogue is not getting, apparently. I am gonna hit you. Makes no sense. With, I'm gonna hit you with a trivia question that I think is gonna be really hard. So they're gonna sell a Rogue that is totally different, one car, and there's a Rogue version that is a completely different car based on another car. So two cars in the same, they're based on a completely different car. In the same sentence, but correct. Can you name another automaker who did this? And I'll give you a hint. Not only did they do it, but both cars were both, is the same car, rebadged, different body styles, different rebadged models, completely different cars. But they shared the name. Yeah. Yes. Oh, it's somewhere in my head. One second. Let's keep going. I'll get there. I'll get there. The Scion IA. Yes, because it was the, the hatchback was a Mazda 2 hatchback. And then, but the sedan was the Yaris. Was a Yaris. So this has precedent. I was thinking about that car a lot over the last two weeks at the Japan. I was legitimately thinking about the Scion IA and the Mazda 2. You should have been focused on the culture. I was. The Scion IA hatchback was the Mazda 2. And this is better. So this is what's happening here. Now, answer me this. Is this still on sale? This is still on sale new as a Mitsubishi. So it's not that. There's a 2026 facelift to the Mitsubishi that includes improvements that the Rogue is apparently not getting. Well, they got to have something. I mean, this is Mitsubishi's only successful car. I will say in Nissan's offense, they sell 250,000 Rogues. Mitsubishi sells about 10,000 Outlanders. Nobody knows the Outlander exists. The market doesn't know it exists. Nissan owns Mitsubishi, yeah? They own a large portion. So they're trying to do this to expand their footprint. And they need a hybrid. There used to be a Rogue hybrid. The current generation has not had one though. It's important for the market. A plug-in specifically is important for the market. There are some countries, especially Northern Europe, where like plug-ins are big deal. But in fact, the Mitsubishi is popular. It's popular. You go to Netherlands and you go to Denmark and you actually see these plug-in. There's not a lot of plug-in at little SQDs. So outside of the US, in Japan and I think in some other markets, Nissan does have a hybrid power train. That's actually a electric vehicle with a generator, basically. They call it e-power. It's like a scout style. There's a generator that powers the battery, but it's not like a traditional plug-in hybrid. I think they might sell the Quashqai or whatever with something similar in some markets. This is just US market. Just the US market. It's my understanding, yeah. Is it Canada? Canada doesn't have Mitsubishi. Yeah, Canada too. Canada does have Mitsubishi. They wouldn't know if they were missing it. There is a reality that nobody but us will know that this is happening. It is a wild thing. Nobody knows the Mitsubishi. Instead, hey, we're going to do a plug-in hybrid. Oh, you're going to do a different power train? No, no. We're going to re-badge the completely different car, but call it the same car that we already said. Why couldn't they have just put? It's the same platform. Surely they could have just put the rogue body on top of it. No, it's much more complicated than that. This is, dude, should it be? Putting the rogue body. You're living in the world of 30s hot rod or something. All they had to do here was change the front grille. I will say that the Mitsubishi outliner is a compelling product. It is. I agree. If it wasn't made by Mitsubishi, it'd be compelling. And now it isn't. 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You know why the Wagoneer S is trail-rated? Because it's not reliable enough to drive. It's not that it's a clearance problem. They're worried about forest fires because they've all been having some issues. No, but this is trail-rated. The podcast is way off the rails. We're early, folks. This is trail-rated. Are you curious about how much it costs, Kenan? What does it cost? 65K starting. And it has 250 miles of range. You know, I gotta tell you though. Do not quit. I gotta tell you that. Not a lot. It's a pretty compelling car. Look at it, it's cool as hell. No, it's really cool. The Wagoneer S is also 65. It's the same price. And there is no, yeah, no one's ever paid it. It's the least compelling car. This, look at it, that's cool. It is incredibly cool. Who is buying an off-road EV? Who's buying Rivians? A lot of people. I have to say. But a Rivian has 330 to 400 miles of range. Well, okay, this is 250. It's a pretty safe price. But what if a Rivian's $85,000? This is a bargain at 60 plus whatever lease deal you can get. These are gonna be $2.99 a month and 12 months. I'm glad that the Jeep has gone on a product defense. So over the last four months, they've revealed four new or face-loaded vehicles. They call it four by four. Is one of them some sort of update to the Grand Wagoneer? It is, okay. And another one is an update to the Grand Cherokee, which is two by four. Two by four is it. It's ironic. The new Cherokee, which also has a hybrid. This is cool. It looks cool. The rear end looks very FJ Cruiser to me. Yeah. Doors come off. Doors come off. It's got a lot of cool little tricks too. I'm excited to actually get in one of them. It'll be legitimately cool. It looks good. It's boxy. I'll tell you, legitimately compared to the Wagoneer S, this is like a compelling product. I think it's too expensive. I think the range number is too low. However, performance figure looks great and it looks really capable and it just looks cool. And the rear windows come out somehow. That's awesome. And in this picture, Ann and other press photos, like the best thing from Fisker. The rear three quarters. No, those go down. These come out. You remember when the Bronco debuted and they had the front doors had holes in them? Yeah. What the hell happened to that? But I do legitimately wonder how large the market is for a 650 horsepower off-road focused, 250-mile range EV. But hopefully it's something. You're not wrong, but I would argue that the people who are buying this aren't actually gonna go off-road. So what's the market for an electric four-runner? Not zero. That's a good point. There's people who want to look cool and drive around. This is a California thing, a West Coast thing, Colorado. EVs have been heavily adopted in California, Oregon, Colorado where this is gonna sell. It looks incredibly cool. I'm excited for you to have a press car because I wanna poke around it. It's cool. The reason why I'm messing with EVs is because it's so easy to make the power, why wouldn't you? Like kind of the point. It just should have that kind of power because it's so... Yeah, well tell that to Honda. Well, you know, Honda, I can't do it. I can't do anymore Honda bashing. I feel bad at this point. Toyota's EV is the real issue. Okay, go to our next new story. Ah, yes, this. Ah, yes, of course. Is this out? Oh my God, are we breaking an embargo here? I'm gonna throw out there. You had a review that went out two days ago. Oh, okay. All right, well I guess we're good. The review actually went out this morning as we're filming this. So that's why I'm nervous. Embargos are scary. You break an embargo, they say you can never, you can never review this product again. And I say, is that a promise? No, I'm not saying that about this car, which I actually like. This is the new Cayenne Electric, which is really cool. The top version, I don't remember the figures, but the top version has a million horsepower. 1100. 1160 with that like boost thing. It's complicated. There's actually three different horsepower ratings for it. I just watched your video. Yeah, was it good? Did you like it? I only watched half of it so far. I'll watch the rest later. You have like 800 horsepower on tap, but then you could press a boost button and get like another 100. But then if you go into launch mode, you get like a full 1160, which is just, does zero to 60 and one nine? It's something like that. And it's incredibly cool. They're calling, they're out and calling it the fastest SUVs, just a quarter mile sub 10. Incredible. I find a fast, this is the first car where I can think of Porsche going big on the horsepower game. Yeah. The Conny V. The Conny V is sort of, but the Conny V Turbo is like 500 something. It's quick. All Porsche, all fast Porsches are fast. Like the first time I can like think of them going like, right, going big on horse. Ignoring the sports cars that they have made for generations like the 90s. Well, no, he's talking for EVs. Even like a 911 Turbo compared to the most powerful, it's less horsepower than a Challenger. We were talking about this last night. I mean, the 296 has 830 horsepower and the 911 Turbo despite being about as fast is still sits back at like 650 or 600. Right. So like they compare to the other automakers that go big on horsepower, Dodge, Rigget, Lucid, whatever. This is the first time they've like kept up with the top. I think they were sick of getting beat in drag, Jason Kamis' drag races by Rivians. I'm serious. I honestly bet they're sitting there being like, why do we not, we're Porsche. Why do we not have the fastest car in this drag race? Like we're being embarrassed by this blocky SUV that's built in Illinois. Like, come on. Or the Lucid Gravity, which has 1100 something horsepower. They want to be faster. Yeah. And so they came out with this. I will say there are a lot of compelling things about this car. Price is not one of them. It's very expensive. Obviously the EV market is turning a little bit. It's a longer car, almost entirely for China. I think Porsche is desperately trying to still make inroads in China where Porsche is not considered as premium. The Chinese automakers have a big leg up against a lot of foreign competition. However, there's a lot of cool things. You saw the inductive charging. Yeah. That is, that I'm so confused by because I just don't understand how it works. Like you're pulling in the car and there's a pad that you charge. I know the speed tails like this too. But this is an SUV that's high off the ground. How does that pad, how does energy from that pad make it into the car? I don't- They say it only gets up to 120 degrees. So that's like a hot day in Phoenix. It's not going to kill you if you touch it. Or just July through the summer. Yeah. That's a day in Phoenix. That's a day in Phoenix. They say that if any motion is detected on the thing and instantly stops charging, so it won't like zap you. You can leave it outside. You can step on it and kick it. You can drive over it. I saw it. I was there. They literally, with me in the car, I mean they wouldn't let me do it in driving too, but I needed to film. But with me in the car, they pulled right onto it and it started charging. Does it make the same sound like your iPhone does? No, because outside, you know, the sound wouldn't help because you're in the car. Inside it's like a video game. There's like a circle and a receiving circle and you like are positioning the car in the receiving circle. And then when you get it there, it like goes green and you're like, woo. Yeah, exactly. But like it's incredible technology. You use the curved screen. It is incredible technology. Did you not get to that part of the video? It's really cool because the curved screen, you can move, there's like the upper part and the lower part of the screen. The lower part has like all the controls, but you can push that away and just have a giant curved screen of like your map. So it's like the scene in Inception where like the, you know, where like the world like curves upwards, that's what it feels like. Wow, great reference. Reveal, I see some estimates for range. Did they say a real entrepreneur? They told me, you know, it's an interesting situation with Volkswagen Group and Range and electric vehicles. They told me that they have been able to get it to 350 miles. I think they said, I said it in the video. They've been able to get it to 350 miles. However, what we've all just learned is what you can do and what the EPA will rate a car at are different things. And so they weren't willing to even speculate on what their EPA rating is gonna be. I assume somewhere in the 350s. I assume more like 300. That's for the turbo. I assume more like, all right, that's still not horrible. It's not horrible for 1,100 horsepower. The base one has 435 horsepower. But still the zero to 60 and four or something. No, because it's crazy. Porsche also is best able to deploy power of I think any manufacturer. It is. I will say one thing, the gas one, which Porsche told me in this thing is gonna continue for at least 10 more years. They're gonna redesign it, I hope. They didn't outright say it, but they heavily implied that the gas one will eventually join the electric one looking like this. But I think they wanted the EV to come out first with all the new look and the new technology. The gas one looks better. This car, just interesting. I don't think this car looks aggressive enough. I think there's a little bit too much Ford Escape in it. It's a little too round, a little too, I don't think it looks like, the gas car looks like it's gonna, even the current gas one. Yeah, I find the current redesign phase of whatever it's seen. The grill's too big. Not pretty. Agreed, but it looks more aggressive. This looks a little too generic in my opinion. It is interesting though what lengths they're willing to go to for range and that kind of thing. And I suspect the style. I saw like the active fins or whatever. There's a fin that pops out in the back at a certain speed and they said that that individual feature gives them 15 more miles of range. Wow, it's impressive. I mean, it's exciting to see Porsche come out with a, the Taycan was competitive as when it came out. Different era, the updated one is good, but like kind of dated. It's incredible to see them come out with like something new and good. And that's clearly, they understand the Cayenne range matters a ton. I mean, it's a huge seller. It's a big deal. And power. This is a big deal car. Macan was a big deal. Whatever they do with Boxer is a big deal, but Cayenne, this is a big deal car. They want to screw it up. They've done a great job. It's a really compelling car. It's a really, really compelling. You didn't get to drive it yet, right? They haven't driven it yet, but I imagine they said, I think sometime next year it comes out. It's only been doing hill climbs for three years, but. Well, people have driven like camoed ones and I want to drive a production car. All right, move on to our next news story. Yes, the Ford Focuss. Yes, the ZX3. Tell us about this car. This is an SVT actually. Oh, is it an SVT? Oh yeah. From the first generation Focus. I love the first generation Focus. The last Focus. And I owned the US third generation Focus. Breath of the World, fourth. You did? The last Focus just rolled off. Well, that's sad. The assembly line. Of course, we haven't had the Focus in the United States since what? Two years. Yeah, no, a little longer. No, a little longer. It stopped in 18, 20, 19. Few years, but the last Focus, it's interesting because the Fiesta has also been canceled. You know, the Fiesta was being made in Cologne. The Focus was also being made in Germany. They were both gone. You know what's being made in the Fiesta's plant now? What? I don't know. The Explorer EV. You know, the one that's for Europe. And the Puma or whatever it is. Little Puma, which is a small product. It's a small product. This isn't surprising, right? Ford said very publicly years ago that we're gonna stop all non-SUV, non-sports cars. It's crazy to see. It happened to the US before in Europe, which I found. It's pretty surprising in Europe. Have you been to Europe recently? This is Europe, though. Have you been there recently, though? I was in Europe last year, and you still see a lot of little cars. But you see so many little SUVs. You do, but it's wild to me that we're in an era where even Europe is done with hatchbacks. Europe used to be hatchback. That's what it was. I loved it for it. That was one of the things about Europe. You'd go to Europe and Americans would come home and say, they have full tower, and we ate French bread, and there's all these little cars there. I still make a point of when I go to Europe, I rent a small hatchback. And he told me I should. I only rent small hatchbacks. You want me more? Yeah, I still will. To be honest, I'm glad I didn't listen to you, but I understand why you recommended it. You hit your buy. I wanted power on the other one. You literally won't anymore. They're going away. This is like, it's coming to an end. I love that focus. I've never got to drive a final generation focus with it installed in the US. Didn't ever have one of the rental cars. Nobody I know in Italy had the money for a focus. Not a joke. They're so good. Yep. Do you remember where they came out? Were you too young? Of course I remember. Also, my uncle had a series of Ford station wagons for years. They would get like a one year old one every two years. A focus wagon for years. Till they went to the Corolla, Oris hybrid as a station wagon thing. This car. Because the focus was big. From an unbelievable, I can't believe cars are gone perspective. It's a big news story. But also the focus was, it's hard to explain just how much of an impact it had in those early years. I know. It came out in 2000. It's so good. And this angled one with all the angles and the advertising with the logo that had the angle. The first world car. It was a true world car sold globally and was successful in a lot of countries. And the market has, it's hard to imagine, but the market has moved on. The Audi A8 is next. I have a hesitate. Well, I don't, I've never been as confident in Ford's decision to get rid of them as Ford clearly has been. I think it's a mistake still, but. Well, when you, I will say like these segments where people have been pulling out of, one of the things that I've realized is that the people who pull out are usually the fringe players to begin with. So like the mid-size sedan, the Malibu left. It was a popular car, but it was never a Camry in a court. This is a different thing. Ford was never a fifth player. This was a real, and so if Ford is making this decision, obviously they're willingly giving a lot of sales to rivals, but their take on it is probably, it's not gonna, five more years, the rivals will make money off this, and then they're gonna have to do this too. I understand that in running a business, there's a lot of just, you have to make a decision based on your opinion. Like you were chosen as a leader of that company, Jim Farley, and whoever else he hired was chosen as the leaders because they had some perspective, some opinion. Sometimes it's, I don't think this is opinion based. I think there is an enormous amount of effort that went into this decision. Certainly, but it comes down to some matter of perspective, and they made a call on it. We'll see if they're right. Was building fiestas. You know how life gets busy, and before you realize it, months have gone by without sharing any photos to the people you care about. That's why Aura has become one of my favorite gifts to give. It makes staying connected effortless, even when everyone's scattered across different states and schedules. I always end up with great photos from photo shoots of cars that I have driven, those silly little moments with Emily, and all of those are things my family actually wants to see. With Aura, I can send those photos straight to the frame from my phone instantly. Big events, small everyday stuff. It all shows up like I'm right there, back in Ohio, with them. And the setup is ridiculously easy. Unlimited free photos and videos. You just download the Aura app and connect to Wi-Fi. 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So Mercedes-Benz circulated an internal memo announcing that they are going to be getting rid of the C43 AMG, the GLC43, and the GLA35. Those were M production in February of 2026. The C63 and GLC63 will last, but only until May of 2026. Now, this isn't a surprise because earlier on, we talked about like the C63 has not been well received. No. Four cylinder car, you did a review on it, everybody hates it. Mercedes-Benz has heard that and they agree with it. But the reason these are being phased out is interesting to me. They're being phased out allegedly due to stricter noise regulations in Europe that's being enforced by the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe. That's the reason they say, I suspect it's also that people don't want it and enthusiasts have been... I agree with that to an extent, but the 43 car sell pretty well. This is interesting. There can be the 43s, can you see them everywhere? And the 35, I mean, the GLA35 is, I think, towards the end of its life cycle. It is, but come on, C43 and GLC43 come. They really do well. We see those cars all over the place, but there are these noise restrictions. You know, as difficult as it is to be a car enthusiast in some places, you always remember, reminded that it'd be harder in Europe. It's harder in Europe, yeah. Are they ending that just... The C43 sells well. And so does the GLC43, which is also like a BMW 340i competitor. It's set that twice in the last 10 seconds. I know, but... Thank you so much. I agree with you. But they say production will end in February of 26. Well, they're back. New EU rules July 1 of 26. Honestly, I don't... You see a lot of them, but you also frequently get annoyed by just how loud they are. So I'm okay with it. You're annoyed by how loud C43s are? I'm more annoyed by BMW than I agree with you. They're all modified. No way. They're all burbles. GLC43s are driven by people who went into the dealer, wanted a lease special, and this was a slightly higher payment for a C3. 300 is for, come on. Yeah, but a lot of people don't do that. It is a surprise. Pretty crazy. It is a surprise, but I guess not in... The reason is a little bit more surprising than it actually happened. We knew it was going to happen. Maybe. We are reporting on the death of Icons here. Icons. In this case, we're grateful. Moving on to the next news story. All right, I got this. You see this? I hope this video does well because this is the coolest damn thing I've ever seen in my life. Hyundai is barking up the off-road SUV tree. And if I know anything about the Koreans... Sure. And God, I've been to Korea. So I consider myself an expert. To do what? You review the Kia Niro? Yeah, I went to Korea for the launch of the Kia Niro, but then I also spent a long time in Seoul. And I really got the capital city. I got the feel of the place. I got the heartbeat of the place. You know why it's called Seoul? No. Because Seoul means capital and Korean. That seems very Korean. Anyway, this actually goes along with what I'm saying. If I know the Koreans and I don't, but as an American because I was there for one week, I feel that I do. Obviously, yes. They don't make concept cars willy-nilly. No. They name their capital city capital... And then they're not out here. They're not out here going crazy. And I have a suspicion that this thing, the Hyundai Crater, which is up on my channel, is a prelude and hopefully a better one than the one. Project Hail Mary is the cinematic event of the year. The world is counting on you, Dr. Grace. Starring Ryan Gosling. I'm not an astronaut. Two worlds, one impossible mission. So I met an alien. Project Hail Mary. You are bravest human I have ever met. Is joke. I only meet one human and is you. In cinemas everywhere, March 19. Ha ha ha ha ha. Nice callback. Well, you just be a writer. I am feeling this is a prelude to something that's coming. And they won't confirm that, even though I pushed them on it a little. And, but they announced recently that they're gonna make a body on frame pickup truck. This is an electric vehicle that is actually smaller in length than the Tucson. It's a tiny little car. But they see, Hyundai is smart. They sit here and watch Toyota take all these sales and Ford and Jeep. And they're like, we did it with the Palisade and we went and took their market share. And we did it with the Tucson and we went and took their market share. Then we can do this. And I think they can. This thing's on like 33s. It looks really cool. Was it a cool concept? You haven't seen the video yet because it's not live yet. There is some features that you will really like, including there are four different modes that you select on the windshield, of course. And one of them is a DJ mode where you, a song plays and you tap little buttons in the interior to insert like a drum beat. Wow, so you're driving? So you just, no. You're just driving going like this. No, no. What a cool idea. First off, it's a damn concept car. It doesn't drive. You don't have to worry about regulations. Yeah. I remember when you had the Build Your Dreams, whatever it was called, here as a press car. I didn't have like a karaoke function. That's cooler. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, this is cooler than that. It also, those lights on the roof, they light up as smiley faces. Oh, how sweet. There's a lot to it. And they, it's exciting. And truthfully, I think it's exciting because I love reviewing concept cars. I think they're cool and weird and quirky. This one, I was especially excited to review because I just have a feeling this is previewing something. Yeah. I just think, remember, they've started going with this XRT line. They're trying to get people thinking off roadie. They're gonna do this. I think they're, something probably not that dissimilar. They want to avoid that. I do, I've always had a question about Hyundai and Kia, right? They're cousin companies in a lot of ways. They co-develop. I view Kia because of the Telluride styling as like the like off roadie fun one. Yeah. Here's how I do in this, but it's cool. It was designed in California. Yeah, because they have the Hyundai Design Studio. So it, I agree with you. But it's cool. But it's so interesting because I reviewed this and the week before I reviewed the Telluride, you should see how these Hyundai and Kia people talk about each other. They might as well be Toyota. Oh, this has this better than the Hyundai and the Kia doesn't have this. And it's like, aren't these cars co-developed? Like ultimately, like they've all been played. They've all been played, no. They've all been played, no. Okay, so cool. Next news story, there's still more news. All right. I think short one, but we gotta talk about it. Okay, so our favorite taxi, that does the Volvo EX90. Volvo has for a long time gone all in on LiDAR as a way to kind of scan the road and then create it. It's so irritating. Because it sets off your radar sensor. Constantly. All right. The EX90 especially has like a little hump in the top of the roof for the LiDAR sensor. They've said in the last week that they're gonna stop all LiDAR in their car starting in 2026 because they've entered a contract with their LiDAR producer for some like, they feel to deliver on some contracts or something. But that means that it's like a massive change. It's gonna go to Tesla, I mean, there's other methods. Tesla went to all camera a long time ago. There's other technologies that help with the same. Do you, how many manufacturers, Rivian uses it? I don't know who else uses LiDAR. I'm losing my use of it. But the reason they're doing this is because they were breaking iPhone cameras. Move on to the next new story. But regardless, that hump will be used for something. You think so? I bet it is. I love the EX90. I'm excited for peace to return to my cabins driving around because they go, peep, peep, peep, peep, peep. And it's like, where's the Volvo? There it is. I'll tell you, you know who's cabin has peace? Anybody who's got one of those. That is one of the great electric SUVs on sale. And honestly, its release has been hampered by the whole LiDAR thing. You think so? The iPhone thing and the fact that there's a taxi light on it and the Louise LiDAR ever gonna work goes someday at will. That hampered the release of an otherwise. It wasn't in use. Right. That hampered the release of an otherwise truly excellent car. And I think if they had released this car the correct way without any of that stuff and using the same sort of system that Tesla has, this would have been a really much more successful launch of a truly great product. I was like, they've made, they've said over and over again that they believe they can still maintain the safety of their next generation systems so they can still have them be as a fact that they want. But they still won't do a camera review mirror. Goodbye LiDAR. That was a huge amount of the pod devoted to news. It was a big news day. It was a big news day. We gotta hurry through the rest cause there's great questions. And you didn't even let me talk about the Honda Pilot refresh. All right, I wanna move on to the talk cars segment next, which brought to you by cars and beds. It was brought to you by the 993 Turbo or Rena Red 993 Turbo. Well, you got just buy one already. All right, I wanna talk. We've had an incident. I've been going on the entire time. Yes. We've had an incident. Sean's looking at me like, please don't say the incident. All right, all right, I'm gonna be vague. We had an incident with a potential sponsor. Okay? You know, we're looking for sponsors. We're like, sponsor the pod. If you wanna sponsor the pod, you send an email to SeanSEAN at carsandbids.com. You can also send him just like a general hello. Like he's cool. He's got a G-Wagon, a bad color, but. So we were looking for sponsors. We're looking for sponsors. And a sponsor we find, and we're talking to people here, there, who, yeah, 993 Turbo sponsor and this one from Solito. And we reached out to this one company, not gonna name them apparently, wanted to, but I've been informed I shouldn't. And they were thinking about sponsor. We were having a conversation that is a company that makes really cool car tech product. And they reached out to us after last week's pod. And they say, last week I was watching Doug's show and I saw him in the group dismissing SEMA and saying they won't go to it. And that, but for our company and our industry, SEMA is so important that we no longer have alignment with Doug and with Cars and Bids. And we will not be a sponsor. Now, I wanna be clear about two things. First off, it is not SEMA who was making this complaint. SEMA said nothing to us. They don't care. They don't care about us. It shows got two billion people. Second, anytime a sponsor tries to dictate the way that you're talking about stuff, that's a red flag of the century. And I'm not, it isn't a sponsor. It's not someone who sponsored us before, someone we were thinking about. And so obviously that relationship shouldn't work on both ends. We don't like him because he's trying to dictate what we're saying on camera. He doesn't like us because we're insulting a show he participates at. And I was thinking about this. Imagine if Chevy came to us. Okay. We do a Tahoe review. And they're like, we saw your Tahoe review and in it, you complained about the LA Auto Show. We are no longer aligned value-wise with you. We love the LA Auto Show. And because you said bad things about it, we're never gonna give you another Tahoe. That'll fix it. This dude is advocating the show isn't even related to his pride. Honestly straight up, I've been doing this a long time and I've gotten a lot of crazy emails. That is one of the craziest. Especially because they make a good product that our audience is into. A lot of us love the product. Nothing to do with SEMA. And by the way, then that's another thing. Some of these people in the industry and in life have such thin skins. Like I insult SEMA. Who cares what I think? I'm an idiot. And the audience kind of knows that. So true. And so like, what is it? Who cares if I say SEMA sucks? Like what the- Also it's SEMA. Everybody knows it. A secret, this isn't new. The people who go there, everyone who comes back from SEMA that I know who goes there, they're like, oh God, I had to take one other SEMA. But you go because you have to. Anyway, so we won't be getting sponsorship from them. Instead, all of our sponsorship will come from the Arena Red 993 Turbo. 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We spent a bunch of cities. We spent, we did a 100 kilometer bike ride across a bunch of islands on the inland sea. He's a kilometer still. Yeah. Drove a Yaris like 600, 700 kilometers. It was horrible. Hated the Yaris was one of the worst in new vehicles in the start of it ever. No. Was it a tip? Yeah, of course. They're all CVT. Boof. Where'd you go in the Japan? We went to Tokyo and Kyoto. Can I ask you about that? Hiroshima and then across those islands and then to Niko. That's great. Can I ask you about Tokyo and Kyoto? You may. Is it weird to you that Japan's largest city and Japan's second largest city, their names are just word scrambles of each other? It's interesting incident. Do you think that people would think it's weird if New York city was called like slosh, Landryl, the less? That's what it is. I think they would. And we should talk about that more. Cause like it's not talked about enough. It's not talked about enough. It's the same letter. They took the regular city and they just kind of didn't want to leave. The word don't, yeah. And it worked, but it worked. And it convinced people that they're different places. Right. Do you now believe they're different places? Yes. I can verify, I can confirm that it took a couple hours on a bullet train together. But do you think this is a theory? Do you think that they just, this is the thing about bullet trains or car pocket, they rearranged exactly. They took you around in circles and rearranged the city. I can't prove other. Right. Their Japanese are an efficient people. They are indeed. What are their car, beautiful country? When you were in Japan. I saw a bunch of American cars. Saw a Jeep Grand Wagoneer. I saw an H3. Yeah. Wow. I saw an H2. I wonder what that person or the H2. They're popular. Japan has the most fascinating used car market where like there's one offs of a bunch of cars. Like even in the new car market, a lot of cars you don't expect to be sold there but nobody buys them. They only buy Toyota and Daihara and Suzuki's also all owned by Toyota. Even luxury cars are not as common as you'd think. But you know what? You do resonate with them because they want the idea of owning those cars like you want with every car you talk about. There were a lot of like, you see like a bunch of like French hatchbacks but like one at a time, you see four over the course of two weeks. Yeah. But they're there. They're there. The industry is just real strong. It is interesting to be the. The trade of dominating. The trade of dominating. It is interesting to me the American car culture there. We have this JDM car culture in the States and because they can't read their language, I don't think there's a lot of cross. Like they're Japanese YouTuber have never watched. There could be a Doug in Japan. But like their car culture is very US focused as ours is JDM focused. I went there five years ago. I was astonished at the American cars I saw. There were some really, really cool American cars. Also a lot of like Italian and German cars and I will not positive why. Well the German, I mean they like Mercedes and things like that. So a lot of like we went to, we were walking in an area that happened of a car show on a Sunday morning. Actually somebody on Instagram reached out to me and recommended that I go to it. And I did. It was great. And then I walked through the street. A bunch of. A bunch of porches. I saw a couple GTRs. There were a bunch of not 11s. There were a bunch of old alphas. It's cool. We were at the very end of the show, but a lot of Italian cars, like old Italian cars. It was great. Love Japan. Love Japan. I love to get. Very high on my list, I'm glad I'm sorry that you rent a Yaris from Toyota Ranna Car. I wouldn't rent. I, Fleet Point goes well. We're going to the mountains. We needed a car. I would only take bullet train because that gives them ample time to rearrange the cities. What's that? Welcome back Fleet. Don't know what to make of that. Okay, what is your other talk car situation? I come back from vacation. Yeah. I think I'm ready to buy a car. No, no, no, no, okay. I'm actually legitimately ready to buy a car. Let me mansplain a little something to you. See that car right there? I did it. Your turn to step up the plate and do it. Thank you. So I would appreciate your support. Fleet Point, we have been nothing that's supported for six months a year. I bought a car nine months ago. You accidentally bought a car you don't like. I love the car. My wife loves the GTi. We have not been supportive because you continue to disappoint us. Two years ago, a year ago on this pod, you were, I'm going to buy, I'm going to buy, I'm going to buy, I'm going to buy. You looked at a 997. You looked at a C7. You were getting all in and then you ended up with a GTI that you bought randomly on the site because it looked like a deal. And it has more. It has the same amount of torque as a 997. You don't have. Don't talk to me about torque. You talk about these enthusiast cars and then you end up with a cheap practical car because it's who you are in your car. I'm ready. I would only entertain this if I'm ready. If this doesn't end with you buying a car, you're going to be in here. Whistlin is going to take you. You would. I don't know. He's in jail. Who knows? He's not in jail. He's not on bail. There are kind of two cars I'm considering. A 991 base cab ideally in a coupe. You will never buy a 99. It's $60,000. Filippo, you would never spend. If you add every car you've ever bought together, does it equal $60,000? Yes, but bear with me. Filippo, you are not spending this kind of money. No, no, no, no. That's an S. A non-S is 60. He wants manual. Click on manual. A non-S, there's very few for sale. We actually have what this, he should have bought. I should have bought that. That should have bought the cab a couple of weeks prior. You're not spending 70. But you guys have made it a point effectively over, look at that one for 52. I should have bought that. This is the nice car. You said you didn't like the colors. I love it. This blue, too. This blue, too, yeah. So cool. Is that yachting? Is that yachting? Yeah. That's a blue top. You both have made the point really effectively that there's a difference between cost of entry and cost of ownership. And I don't think that based on the rest of the Porsche market, the 991s, 997, 911s have gone up notably. A car that was $40,000. Interesting. Nine months ago when I looked at it. You looked at it one year and a half ago when I said, Filippo, buy this car. Do you sell my good car to him? A pretty much identical comp, sold recently for 10 grand more. Do you agree that you should have listened to Doug and that Doug was right? I didn't love that 997.2. I really didn't. But I'm hoping that- Why do you think you'll love a 991? I don't know. That's my concern. I haven't driven one, which is a problem. Okay, we need to drive. I gotta find a drive. But I think that, yes, it costs $60,000, but I quite confident can get out of it for that. Yes. In a year or two years. There are quite a few good independent Porsche mechanics nearby. And they're reliable. 991s, to my knowledge, don't have any real- Great interior, wonderful car. But the problem is not the car, the problem is not the market. But I'm ready to spend the money. You are? I think I am. I think I am. Filippo, I think I am. I want you to think- I'm gonna sell a GTI, I'm gonna sell a Fiat. I want you to- I want you to 30. Think about it. Think about it. Halfway there. Think about it in real- Think about you writing a 6-0. Think about- Well, I'll wire the money. But think about the 60,000 discount. No, it will be- Think about it. I will want it back out 20 times, but I think it's time. I think it's time. Of course it is. A 991, what's the other car? A 981 Boxster S. Oh, here we go. He's gonna end up with a tip 987. Yep, it won't cover your 987. Here's the thing, a nice 981 now is $45,000. We sold one a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what do you think, Cian? I really don't- I sold my lowest price. This one. Yep, there we are. I don't like the 987 Boxster. That's actually a 996. No, sorry. It's probably good. Here, there you go. 9500, that's the one. Hey, we got your car, bud. I am ready legitimately to buy something that is nice and good. Don't tell me. And so I would appreciate you guys supporting and helping me support you. But we've been nothing but supporting that. I will support you under the following circumstances. If you can pinky me that this ends with a 9X1. Think about that. If it doesn't, I will never support you in anything you ever do, ever again. How much would you degrade me if I bought a 9? 8, 7, base? No, sorry, sorry. A 718. Now he's getting- I would love that. All right, so it'll be something in that. It'll have three numbers. Yeah, okay. He's gonna end up with an imported Pujo 106 for 2100. All 2100. Cool. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. But relatedly, I'm legitimately on the hunt for a base 991 cab or coupe manual. Ideally without black wheels. I just, I can't. If you have an email him at Sean or- Or, I'm having one or the rights of an 18, all manual. I'm legitimately, finally, I think, vaguely ready. You can de-emmit it. I legitimately, finally, I think, vaguely ready. Yeah, no, we'll be supportive. In the mean time- You call me when legitimately, finally, I think vaguely turns into definitely. You know what, in the meantime, I'm gonna join my V12 by Turbo Mercedes. Heck yeah! Keep dreaming, buddy. All right, Ken and tell us about, we'll cover this again on a later pod if you want to, but a lot of people out there who are not- I want you to buy a car and just follow through this time. Ken and tell us about- I did last time. You had those here, but you hit a milestone in your M5. I did. I hit 10 years that I have owned my M5. 10 years. Full decade that I have owned my car. You ever have anything for 10 years? Yeah. Which I, yeah, okay. So I get, and I did a YouTube video about this too that kind of goes over the whole thing, but it was, I have to say, like looking back on owning my M5 for a decade, it's crazy to have had a car for that long. It was through me with my life from age 20 to age 30. A lot of your life changes in that period of time. And the thing is, like, I still love, the moral of this whole story is, despite the costs and some of the pain I've had with it, I still love the car, which also brings me back to another point. Someone asked a couple of weeks ago how much I'm invested in the car this year. Because I didn't want to go over two grand. Yeah. So I tallyed it up and I made sure, and it's one thing. Don't reveal it here. No, no, no, no, this is a big thing when you were gone. $1,348 is less than I actually thought that it was. So I'm still very clear. And that doesn't include the gift card we gave you to Kevin's. No, because like. No, I agree, I agree, I agree. You probably wouldn't have done that. I didn't spend that money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The money was spent by others, which fair kind. By giving you the gift card, we like, that wouldn't necessarily have even done it if we hadn't done that. Right, yeah, so thank you. Thank you guys for having done that. But nonetheless, like, I just love, I just still love the car. I really love the SL65. I'm astonished how much I like this car. But that one will stick around for the future, I think. I just really enjoy the car. I will say, I watch the video, and I'm excited for when you start modifying it. As you said you would have done in the video. I mentioned that I would consider an exhaust system at some point when the car leaves daily duty. And I don't know exactly when that's going to be, but it will. I don't know when. I don't want to put it in the video. That's a dailyable car, are there? You're wasting the purpose of that car, which is experience that incredible. Well, you need then a third car. That's right. Perhaps, buy more cars. You want my Fiat 500? Perhaps a Ronald McDonald Viper. I drove one recently, and my God, I love that car. That'll be the next car after the SL65. I want to go on to a market report. The market report by there is brought to you by the 993 Turbo. The 993 Turbo. Am I looking for one? Yeah. You know, you've been looking for a long time. You're a little wait, yeah, I can't be. No, no, you've been talking about this long in here. Yeah, all right. 993 Turbo for office. Fair enough. Look at. Anyway. Okay, so market report. There's two things I really want to talk about. Yeah. And then we got to move on to questions. We're way over time, but this pod deserved it. It did. F types. Can you pull that? We have sold F types. Have you been paying attention to F type sales? In the end, you're going to buy an F type. I'm not, but. Good deals. Go to Lowell. Lowelly, Lowerson. We've sold this year five F types for under $21,000. The F type is now a $20,000 used car. Now, obviously these are the early ones, some miles, but you see where the market's going. F types are cheap. This is a beautiful car. This one's a V8 for 21. My God. I remember that one sold. I didn't really pay attention to this until we sold this last one, that a couple, like this week, this, this great one sold. And I was like, you know, I looked at it, go down the miles were reasonable. On miles. It was 61,000 miles. It was a nice car, unmodified, no acts. It was like a clean car. And it sold for 20. And I was like, what? Two owner. This is what these are going for now. Yeah. This is a beautiful car for 20. I'm glad I didn't pinky you. Can I ask you a question? Oh God. Ha ha ha ha. Can I ask you a question? Honestly, we just had the ND in the, I just did an ND review. It's gonna go up in a few months. I don't know. It was great. I mean, I love the ND. You could get this. Could. And it's like really a beautiful car. It's a beautiful car. Pretty modern tech. We have to imagine cost of ownership at being in a bag. Maybe. But at this super six is in a lot of cars. Like it's. Yep. Missing those cylinders just filled in from the VA. Right. Could be a VA. So usually you could fit a couple cold ones in a drill. You can have a VA. Ha ha ha ha. Meanwhile, people are mad because they want to keep the power of the monthly subscription fee. Jack, we're just filling in the cylinders. Oh yeah. That's fine. I won't notice. Legitimately though. No, that's a pretty compelling car for that number. 20. That's a beautiful. Yeah, you're right. As you look at this. 25. And honestly, as you look, made a thing of it because they're 20. But as you look at this, even around 25, there's manuals, there's blown V8s, 15 blown V8s. There's like really compelling vehicles in this price point. This is a supercharged V8. That's a type R. Go down. How many miles does this have? 58. Not that bad. Red, red. This is a cool car. And the coupes look better. That does not look like a 25,000 car. No, it absolutely does not look like a 25,000 car. This is a damn cool car for the number. It drives well too. It really is. It drives really well. It doesn't drive like, honestly, I just had the ND. The ND is more like engaging. Of course, but this is cool. A 911 is more engaging. A Boxster feels like more of a sports car. But this is a very different and very cool experience. It still looks very cool. It sounds great too. Especially these 15 blown V8s sound amazing. If I can and I want to buy an automatic car, I'll consider it. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over all the torque. Thunder from my V4. I want to talk about one other thing that I noticed this week that I think really deserves to be talked about, which is supers. Can you pull up the Supra? Not the Mark IV, which I love and also talk about. The Mark IV is hot. Can I tell you something about Mark V Supras? Hidden, we don't know that because we're not like JDM guys. We're not like in the forums. Hiddenly, subtly, under the table, low key, as the kids say, the Mark V Supra has gotten a huge following and is selling for crazy money. Mark, when I went and reviewed the Mark V Supra at some point, the only car review I've ever shot in West Virginia to this day. When I went and filmed that video, my complaints about the Supra were, it didn't have enough power and it didn't have a manual transmission. And over time, Toyota gave the car more power, considerably more, and gave the car a manual transmission, which they should have launched that way. But by doing that, they suddenly created a car that a lot of people are into. And these are still pulling real money now on the used market. This car has how many miles? It's a modded state, 20,000 mile car. What does a new one cost? This is a 23. This is a $53,000 number plus our fee. Like, these cars are slept on in a lot of the world, but if you're into Supras, you are paying attention to the fact that these cars have become desirable. Let's show the early ones with the autos like this. But the 23s, 24s with the stick, with the big motor are really becoming desirable used cars. It honestly, it reminds me a little bit of the Mark IVs. Like there is a real interest in these cars. 60,000 is the stick. 65,000, the sticker was 57 for this car. We just sold for 53. I'm looking for a stick one. This is a surprise, but yeah. The early ones are kind of valued, actually I looked into this a little bit, like very much like the Z4, like that's based upon, they're kind of in the same room. But it is interesting. The later ones with the stick, with the big motor, these A91 MT editions are really cool, which I underscores it should have been launched with the manual from the beginning. I'm gonna posit to you that the power bumped, so that's like 23 and up, 22, 23 and up, power bumped manual Mark Vs don't ever lose value. I'm gonna posit that right now. I think you're right. I bet, I mean, they'll lose some, they're not gonna be 65 forever, but you're never gonna see these cars for 20 grand. You never will. Which I thought would happen because it was just as reskin Z4, the market doesn't feel that way. It looks good. It looks good. Also they're very popular. As a car guy on Instagram gets fed a lot of like reels of people doing a lot of responsible things and a lot of that happening in Mark Vs. Yeah, people overlooked the BMW thing. They were like, you know what? It's a Supra and the modding community showed up for them. And there is a ton of modding opportunity for them. M3s, M4s are also really hot, generally, especially in like tuner and like young communities. And this is the wrong. In the end, we made fun of them so much for using a BMW powertrain. They actually chose the right powertrain to use. It was that one that was in all these BMWs. The B58, the mighty B58. Maybe the best six cylinder BMWs ever made. I prefer the S54, but I think the B58 in terms of reliability, the number of cars and the power pigs, it's just a strong six cylinder engine. That's what BMW does. So it's right that it ended up in the secret. It turned out that I was right about a couple things. It needed more power in a manual. And they were right about the BMW thing and it worked out for them. And I think that the market demand and adorningness of this car is proving that. I think the adoration is right. And the used values are showing that. I love them personally. Every time I see a Supra, I think it's really cool. I think they look awesome. What a glow up for Toyota. Like the GR brand launched midlingly, but now they have the Corolla, they have the R4. Outside of the R4, that was a joke. But the GR brand are all cars that are incredibly good. The 300 series, GR Sport Land Cruiser. Right. It's a solid bunch of those. Well, you know, can't win them all. No, that's a cool car. I agree. They actually invested, you know, when I was... I invested money. When I was 16 and Toyota, the mid 2000s, which was the era where all the crazy cars came from, Toyota had started to develop reputation for being the most boring car company. Started to the point where they had it. Well, in the 90s they had cool cars, they let go of them all. And in the 2000s, it's hard to explain now, but they really had developed a rep for being pretty dull. Yes. And they had, in the mid 2000s, where everybody was making all these fast cars, their fastest car was a pickup truck. It was the Stick X-Runner. And yeah, the V6 R4. The R4 was always the best for you. Those were their fastest cars. You know, they were so embarrassing. And they really put a lot of effort into changing perception. I don't think there's a single person in the world today who would say Toyota is a boring company. Which is incredible. The four on the Land Cruiser, and the GR Corolla, and the Supra, and BRZ, and all this stuff. Crazy. Okay, we gotta move on to questions. The questions are sponsored by Whistlin' Diesel's Get Outta Jail Fund. Folks, I don't know if I'm allowed to pitch Whistlin' Diesel merch on the show. And honestly, I don't even know if he's still selling them. He does not. Oh my God. Well, we'll sell, I'll tell you what, we'll sell this. You write to us, you buy this for a thousand bucks, and we'll send the profits to Whistlin' Diesel's Get Outta Jail Fund. Wasn't that a gift? Yeah. It was from Nick. But it was from Nick. Right. Okay, starting from, there's a lot of good questions. So buckle up, we're gonna end up going along again. I feel terrible about it. First question from Quasibred. Doug, is it really a joke that you want on Arena Red 993 Termo? Someone commented on the YouTube upload saying it was a joke, and you commented agreeing with it. Then there's a car like the one you want on Bring the Trailer. It's on Bring the Trailer for God's sake. I'm so glad that's catching on. Over on the Bring the Trailer there. Yeah, no, it's not a joke, folks. I wanted the Arena Red 993 Turbo. Why don't I have one? Why do I have to sit here with this car model? Next question from Arav2020. Question for Filippo, if you ever return, you have said for months that you're selling your Fiat 500 at Barth, when can we expect it live on the site? Okay, here's what happened. I wanted to sell it in April, May. And yet you took no steps to do that. No, and then our producer was like, wait, no, we want to use it for this other thing, this other thing, that didn't materialize, this other thing. But now I'm told I can sell it in January. In January. So we're gonna do a fun little challenge event with this car and the A2 in the Multiplug that'll go up as soon, it'll be really cool. It will, and then it will just go. Little Euro cars, you know, have fun. It will be gone and out of my life. And if you're, if, create a better B. And then he says it can be gone. I don't think I'll sell it. If you've complained about that time, and you can email our producer, Sean. By the way, Arav2020, if you're sitting over here saying that because you want to buy it, don't, don't, don't. This is bad. No, the other day, Flippo's at my house bragging about how he hasn't done anything to the car. And I'm thinking, yeah, like oil changes, brake pads. No, I want to be clear. I want to be clear. I want to be clear. I put on new tires and I've gotten oil changes. What else can you want? I even organized your paperwork. Yeah, I will say, it's been an incredibly reliable car. And all I've done is oil changes and new tires. Okay, next question, next question, from not a Porsche guy. Hey, next question from not a Porsche guy. Same, dude. I'm not a Porsche guy either. Have SF90 values dropped low enough to be considered a goodbye? No. At what number would you consider buying one? Three dollars. Next question, no. What do you think, Kenan? There's still 400 something. There's still in the 400s. I think that should be a 300-ish car. I think it should be about a one. Listen, me personally, if you're asking me personally, and I suppose you are, because you wrote to me. The day this is cheaper than a mercy, it's a good deal. But you're not the right person to ask. Until that day, I'd rather have a mercy. You are by reputation, but in this specific area, you're not the right person to ask. He was like, I'm thinking about a 750S or a 296. And I was like, oh, five, four GT. He was like, what? You're not wrong. I'm not wrong. It's still a thousand horsepower, V8. I think nice looking. It is, but I don't know. That's a intrinsic value for all of us. For 485. Two problems. 485, it's still gonna lose an enormous amount of value. Number two, it looks like a 296, which I would much rather have. I think the 296 is one of the coolest modern Ferraris. And it's lower. It's just, it doesn't have that much of the hybrid thing. Doesn't have much appeal. The cheapest of the 90s must be a 400 now. This one was very optional. I think less. It's like in the low threes. That's interesting. Next question from RonnieF430. Hey, Doug, I thought you said the 996 GT2 was your favorite 911. Do you now prefer the 993 Turbo over? A lot of 993 Turbo questions. Love that. The 996 GT2 is my favorite 911. I think that's true. The competitor cars are the 993 Turbo and the new 911 ST, which I actually think belongs on that list. Nonetheless, what I'm looking for in this car is the 996 GT2 is pretty raw. The other two-seater, no backseats, hard core. I got a lot of that. I got the Cura GT, the Quntas, the Ford GT. I live at the intersection of raw and insane. That's where my house is. Raw and insane. I live there with, right next door to John Force. There's a reference you weren't expecting. Raw and insane, all right? And so I want something that's a little bit more, chip foos is across the street. I want something that's a little bit more usable than that. And so I know the 996 GT2, I think is a better car. And actually it's cheaper. And I think it's cooler and it's more fun. It's more engaging, it's more insane. But the 993 solves a little bit of a problem that I have right now, which is that I wish I had a sports car. It was maybe a little bit more day liable. Maybe a little bit more practical. Plus then you get all the great analog stuff from Porsche, so the door closed and all that stuff. Although I personally, this is the most controversial statement I'll ever make on this pod, although not to the audience of the pod, but I personally think the 996 is actually the last analog 911. Like if you really drive them, the 996 still feels like the tight, like dynamic car that the early ones did. And it's the 997. I know they went switched away from air cooled, but like it's the 997 that really starts to feel like the electric car. You're telling me like based, you mean like a 997 darling like GT3 to me feels pretty tight. Well, all the GT3s do, even the modern GT3s do. But when people talk about the loss of the analog feel of the 911, they are always referring to the split between the 993 and the 996. To me, that splits actually between the 996 and 997. And I say this as a guy who's had multiple 997s company cars, I own a 996. I've experienced a ton of these cars. And I think the 996 actually is like kind of the, still retains a lot of the character for the night. It doesn't have the air cool. It's a little bigger, but not much bigger. And I think it still has sort of the tight feel to it. The 997 got larger. 997 was larger. And more importantly, it just, they focused on luxury in the interior. They started focusing, it probably, given where the price point was going, but they started focusing, you know, 993 turbo. Interesting. A new 911, a new 911 is a foot longer than a 993 turbo and six inches wider. A 993 turbo is five and a half inches shorter than a new Cayman. Wow. Wow. That is a small car. The cars have grown. And the Porsche has done an amazing job of engineering this incredible steering feel and handling despite the increased size, but the cars have grown. And I think it was the 996 to 997 split where you really felt that. I think, by the way, all of these are great cars. It's a very interesting point. I had a friend who had a career for us and he said the 997.2 career for us. And he said that, yeah, he, it just felt like a normal car to him. Like it felt like a luxury car. So then he ended up getting a .1 GT3. And that felt like the 911 he wanted. I think any of the GT3s still have that sort of tight feel. Yeah, I think, I see what you mean about the normal cars. Interesting. Next question from Scott in Boston. I was wondering what everyone's garage situation was. This is a great question. We never discussed it. We never talked about it. The biggest thing holding me back is purchasing it from purchasing cool cars lack of space. Of course he's in Boston. Right. Yeah. He's gonna park that thing in the back bay. They got people bumping into each other, yelling about the red socks. Yeah. The old Bella check and that young lady. What space do you guys have? Felipe, why don't you start us off? My house has a garage. Ooh. Technically two car garage that's not wide enough for two cars or long enough for two cars. Truly, it's such a miss shaping garage. No, I can drive away. My driveway can fit a Fiat 500 to Bartholomew. Barely. Barely. I sometimes park the GTI there, but if I go close enough through a wall, it doesn't block the sidewalk on half of it, my curves. I can fit in Mercedes station wagon in one half of my garage as long as I'm comfortable not walking by it to get literally anything else. So therefore I don't. So I have a garage, technically. But you don't really ever use it. No, sometimes I'll park a car in there. If we're going out of town, I'll park a car in there. But we use it for like projects and woodworking and whatever other stuff, so it's rare. If I buy a 991, I will park it in the garage. Oh wow. You'll have to deal with that. Yeah. Good. Ken, what's your parking situation? Also, we live in Southern California. There's no weather. It's fine. Right, so we've been raining the last week, every day. When you say that, even I, who hates cleaning my cars and doesn't care if my cars are clean, even I get a little annoyed. Because yeah, it sits outside. That doesn't mean the car, there's no weather. That doesn't mean there's not issues. There are places where there's a real issue, where the hail is common, or where there's enough snowfall that you create real problems. We get a surprise. Or where there's like in Arizona, where the sun is obviously significant here, but in Arizona. You can still get hit. Hit parked in front of your house on the street. Excellent plan. Okay, Ken, what is your parking situation? So I live in an apartment complex, and I have two spots that are mine, like a shared garage, but it works out well for me. And then the other thing is that- There's a lot too. Sorry? You're like between two pillars. Yeah, it's like, it'd be very hard to door, ding me. But I also, I have access to the cars and bids garage, which is the office is one of our great hacks. Doug leaves his cars down here occasionally. I come down and clean my cars down here. And when I leave for vacation, I often will leave a car. I'm fine, it's all in my hands. I was just talking to our landlord the other day. Our kids were playing at the park together. And he was saying, you know, why don't you get more cars? You got this garage. And I was like, yeah, well, who knows? Who knows how long? You know, one day is Filippo gonna come to me and say, we're done, we're out of the space. We're moving into a former McDonald's in El Cajon. You can do videos in the drive-through. You can do as many JDM drive-through videos as you want. We did a Veyron in the drive-through, not telling people that it was our McDonald's. It's an idea, private McDonald's. Keep that in mind. No, shouldn't have told them. My garage, I got a four-car garage at home. I got two and then I got a lift from Ben Pak, which I paid retail for. Huvy. Yeah, Huvy. Two and two. And it's cool that the two cars on the lift can move independently. So they go up and down. So I don't have to pull like both bottom cars off to get the top ones down, which is really cool. And honestly, it works well. I wish I had four flat, but living the city, I've been a big advocate of living in cities. I've never lived in the suburbs. I like living in cities, kind of walkable, more urban. And so four flat garage spaces is not a realistic opportunity for me, but two-two was. And I built that. I finished that about a year ago. And so now I get four cars at home. And I could have gone more. I could have gone five or six cars. Could you? At the very least forward. Yeah. And I didn't do that intentionally, because I felt that the responsible thing to do, and I mean this sincerely, the responsible thing to do was limit myself to four cars. I have an, at some point you just got so many cars, you just, you know. And then immediately I went out looking for a fifth car. Yes, using the 10,000 square foot bunker that we have. He's got plenty of room. He likes to limit it in concept, but in reality. No, no. He's hunting a 993. OK, I want two more questions, two more questions from Paul about cars for Doug. Some Lexus dealers are now discounting new LX overtrails for over seven grand off sticker. I saw that. Have you been on our trailer? It's a bloodbath out there in the LX overtrail market. Is it actually? Yeah, they're discounting. Is that an H included? Huh? 700 H included. Yes. No, the overtrail is only a 700. I thought there was a 600 overtrail. Yeah. Is that enough for you to consider getting one as a sequoia placement? Yeah. If you are an enterprising Lexus dealer, reach out right now. The used ones are coming under 100, and it won't leave my mind, and I just have a suspicion. Also, your sequoia has got to be worth about what you paid. It's been hit, and I took off the running boards, and God knows where they are. You made it look better. It does look better. It does look better. OK, Filippo, should we do one more? Yeah, one more. One more good one, or one more not good one? Well, you can choose. OK. OK. OK, here's a good one that we can all answer from. From Paul Townsend. Many cars seem similar in specs, purpose, or performance, but get vastly different opinions on the pod. This leaves me to ask you, what did the Urus do right? That the DBX, Pure Sangue, and Electra, and Shirley McLaren's will do wrong. And what did the Rivalto do right that the SF90 did wrong? It's an interesting question. First off, the Urus sells well. I don't know that I would say that it did things right. Personally. My criticisms of that always were, I thought if Lamborghini's can bring back an SUV, what they should bring back is something like the LMO2. The V12 make it look crazy. Instead of what they did was they took a Cube 7 and put a coolant here in it and called it a Lamborghini. A Q8. Q8. There is a success to the Urus, I think, because the price point actually turned out good. The Lamborghini name is stronger. Honestly, that alone is, by the way, I don't think the Pure Sangue did anything wrong. It's listed in here. This guy is saying, what did they do wrong? I think the Pure Sangue is probably the best of all of them. It's too expensive. But it's the best of all of them. And when prices kind of normalize, it'll be really compelling. Also, production of them fully picked up on those, right? Yeah. Pretty limited. I don't think so. Urus came in at a really attractive price. I think that's why, if you ask why it sold well. Now, one interesting, the more interesting part of the question is what did the SF90 do wrong that the Rivalto did right? I've been thinking about this a lot. I'll tell you, the Rivalto has 12 cylinders for one. Yeah, I think that's part of it. Which I think is part of it. My issue with it is that Ferrari didn't really define where it fit in their world. And it looked too similar to the normal car. Well, there are people who would argue that a Ventador and Huracan, I mean, you're walking down the street, is Filippo gonna be able to tell those cars apart? Yeah, I think even he. But I said that. I can tell it's a 90 apart, Bear. I don't know, Rivalto, I mean, because it came out before the Tamarian, I think kind of, it looked different enough. And it was a different enough departure from its predecessor than the Ventador. I do think a component, 12 cylinders are a component. I think the hybrid thing is not desirable to a lot of people. Yeah. To me also, this is gonna be, maybe this is crazy because I'm a Countach owner, but Lambo lives in that world. They own that V12 expensive segment. Ferrari owns a lot of segments. But like when you think about what does the S-Class do well that the A8, which is about to be canceled, and the Jaguar XJ and the Lexus LS, both canceled, the Acura RL didn't do right. Well, the S-Class is that segment. Like when you think about a luxury sedan, you first think of the S-Class. And when I think about a mid-engine, top of the line supercar in that segment, I think about Lamborghini. And I think about the Mura, the Countach, the Diablo, the Mercilago, the Ventador and the Rivalto. Ferrari has been a bit player in this segment. They have tried at various times to compete with Lamborghini and also at various times, they have failed and backed off and said, we can't and went back to front engine for years in this segment. I think that the Testerosa was a monstrous sales success. They sold way more of those than Lamborghini did Countach. And yet the market vastly prefers the Countach. And when it came time to redesign the Testerosa, Ferrari said, we don't have it. Well, because you're looking at it in two different periods of time. In period, it was so much more commercially successful. But then as a result, because they made so many of them, that's why I like all these years later, it's much easier to get one than it is a Countach. It's simple supply and demand. Well, okay, but they're missing. The point that I'm making is Ferrari then seeded that market to Lamborghini. Whether you believe that the Testerosa was better or not, Ferrari gave up, they gave up. After trying twice to compete with Lamborghini on cars that weren't really all that desirable, the Boxer and the Testerosa, and in both times not succeeding, they bailed. And they went front engine for decades and they've now returned. I would argue the reason they did that is because they came up with the F50s or mid-engine V12. So if you're gonna then come out with a car below that, that's also a mid-engine V12, that's confusing. I think part of the reason why I wanted to go back to the traditional front engine V12 is, to your point, the Testerosa styling was getting old and they couldn't come up with something next. But also, they came out with the F50 and they're like, we can't go that out. Yeah, but the F50 was a one-year only. I mean, they gave that segment up. That was a market segment. The F50 was a one-time thing, but it was a market segment that Ferrari seeded. And I think that Lamborghini established itself as the, sort of like Ferrari has established itself as the player in the entry. Like when you think of an entry exotic, the 296, that's the one that all the others are compared against. The luxury sedans, the A8, all of them are compared against the S-Class. In the entry sports sedan, the three series, all of the other sports sedans are compared against the three series. And I think that Lamborghini just simply has developed this reputation for creating this type of car. And Ferrari shows up with a hybrid that doesn't look different from the other car. That's really expensive. And people are like, nah. And Rivalto was just more desirable. Also, like the SF90 was the start of Ferrari doing a lot of technology and screens. It wasn't the first, but like, was furthering that in a way that was at the wrong, maybe the right move, but at the wrong time. And Lamborghini is on a streak of doing everything right for their market. All of their products have been on an up and up from a production standpoint. Like they had right timing to launch an SUV that helped them launch then a successful Rivalto. Maybe the Ted Marari will be successful too, probably. Like there's like a timing element here where it also works in their favor. And it did not work in Ferrari's. I feel the worst for the DBX. I feel like the DBX itself. I mean, Aston Martin doesn't sell any cars. Seven of Seven of Seven sounds great. Yeah, you wanna know what, you don't wanna not screw it over the DBX is just the general perception around the Aston Martin brand. I actually think the DBX 707 is a really compelling car. The brand has a perception of overproducing cars and thus, resale value is a complete disaster. Aston Martin is a desirable brand. They're just not desirable at the production level that the home office wants them to be. And so you make this many, people want, they really want, but they only want this many. And so there's this perception that you're gonna buy a DBX and you're gonna lose $100,000 in value, which is what happened. Right, yeah. You see what they're going for now. Like normal ones are like 85. Normal ones are in the 80s. Meanwhile, you try to find an Urus in the 80s. It's gonna be a Matt Armstrong rolled over six times into a ditch in Bahrain. Long-tanned titles. Yeah. Anyway, free whistling. Hashtag save whistling. Free whistling and that's our podcast. You got any final thoughts here? We're way over time for any final thoughts. I do actually. You should just buy a Crown SUV instead of a poor songwriter. You can't. Look identical. Look identical. They're only sold in... Look identical. You can't. Look identical. It's just, oh my God. Do you remember one thing and one thing only? Free whistling, but if you're doing Montana, they coming for you. And by the way, by the way, one other thing about Montana, when you make that argument online, I mean, the car is registered in Montana. What about you, hall? Try to make that argument to a cop on the side of the road. He's gonna turn you into one of these. Best podcast we've ever done. Whistling, free whistling. Wow, we're gonna get some comments. All right. Goodbye, everyone.