Karmelo Anthony Supporters Cry Racism, and UK Leaders Downplay Near-Beheading By Migrant, with Sarah Fields, Eiglarsh, Frei, Kingston, and Swenson | Ep. 1336

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He's now 19 at the time of trial. And last night, that same jury sentenced Carmelo Anthony to 35. Carmelo Anthony to 35 years in prison, rejecting the defense argument that he acted with, quote, sudden passion, which could have reduced his sentence to just two years, two years. The sentence would have allowed it to be knocked way down and 35 years is outside the range that would have been acceptable had they accepted sudden passion as a mitigating factor. Clearly, the jury said no. Carmelo now in the custody of the state, as you can see on the screen, this is his post-conviction mugshot. I mean, you can't help but see how young he is. He's...this is so sad. He's so young. He's a good-looking kid. He had his whole life ahead of him. And as I said on the air yesterday, this was like a murder suicide. He murdered Austin Metcalf and he suicided himself in a way. His whole life is gone. Gone. I mean, he's going to be eligible for parole in 17 and a half years, about the same amount of time that Hunter... that Austin Metcalf was on this earth. But this is a tragedy all around. He ruined his own life and he took Austin's life. Austin's father, Jeff, his mother, Megan, and his twin brother, Hunter, giving victim impact statements after the sentencing. It's very weird how they do things in Texas. Like, after the sentencing? By the way, Carmelo's parents reportedly failing to stick around to hear from the Metcalfs and Carmelo refusing to look his victim's family in their eyes, despite their request that they do so. Parents did not stick around for the son's sentencing proceeding. I mean, this is just... Obviously, this is how this kid got this way. There's something wrong with the parents. Okay, there is. According to the Daily Mail's Marianne Martinez, Austin's father just went off on Carmelo saying, quote, you failed your parents, you failed yourself, you failed society, and you don't belong in this community. Continuing, quote, you're going to prison. You can't even look me in the eyes right now, but you can stab my fucking son in the heart. Oh my God, the anguish. This poor father. I just... you can't even... you can't even understand it, right? The family not speaking to reporters after the sentencing, but they did appear with Collin County DA, Greg Willis, the Metcalf family, as he praised the verdict. Watch. Today, justice was served. A year ago, when the senseless murder unfolded, I said that it had struck a deep nerve in Collin County and far beyond. I asked our community to ignore all the noise and instead be level-headed and patient as the process worked. And today, the process delivered accountability. I'm especially honored to be joined here today by Jeff and Megan Metcalf and their son Hunter. Their strength and grace throughout this unimaginable journey has been inspiring. They won't be taking questions at this time, but their presence here speaks volumes about their commitment to seeking justice for Austin. Here for reaction, our attorney and co-host of MK True Crime Show, the MK True Crime Show, positively legal, Mark Iglarge, former litigator and rumble creator, Viva Frye, and for her first appearance on the MK Show, independent journalist, Sarah Fields, who has been covering this case soup to nuts and was in the courtroom throughout Carmelo's trial. Let me tell you something. When you sign your insurance policy for some brokers, that's the finish line. Handshake commission, done. See ya. Then you may never hear from them again, or at least not until it's time for a renewal when they become your best friend once again. 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Go to supershore.com slash Megan, paid for by SuperShore Insurance Agency LLC, a licensed insurance company. Great to have you all. Sarah, let me start with you. Can you just describe the atmosphere? We went off the air before they came back. They took a break after the jury verdict of guilty was handed down, and then they came back for the sentencing hearing. We heard the mother's testimony. We didn't hear it. We weren't in the courtroom. But then things got very emotional, as I understand it, from when things resumed, when we got the sentence handed down, and then when Austin's family started taking the stand. Can you walk us through it? Yes. So during sentencing, you could visibly see Carmelo. He was visibly shaking. Mike Howard had his hand on his shoulder, and he was crying. Of course, the judge entered, the jury entered, and they determined that there was no sudden passion, and he was given the 35 years sentencing. I wrote everything down in notes. I was literally in the courtroom with just notepad and pen, because I wasn't allowed anything else, so everything is going off my notes. I wrote here that he should have gotten life, and I 100% believe he should have. You just showed the press conference that they had, and I believe it was with Greg Willis, and he said justice has been served here today. Personally, I don't believe that justice can never really truly be served here on this earth. But I would also like to point out that during sentencing, the actual sentencing of 35 years, I was not able to see Carmelo's parents in the courtroom at all. They were not inside the courtroom during sentencing. That's unbelievable. It is. It is unbelievable. It's also unbelievable that when he was given the actual guilty verdict before sentencing, there was a very large amount of Carmelo Anthony supporters in the courtroom, and right after he was given the verdict of guilty, they all immediately left the courtroom before the courtroom was even dismissed. They turned in their badges and they all left, which I thought was interesting considering they all considered themselves advocates of the Anthony family, but they abandoned them probably during the most difficult time of the entire trial. And then the parents abandoned their son. Correct. Yes. So during the sentencing, you could feel the tension in the room. You could feel the pain and the anger and the anguish. I was sitting directly behind the Metcalfe family and you could tell that they felt like it was not enough because it's never going to be enough. I mean, Meg and Metcalfe said that you've been given a sentence of 35 years behind bars and you should feel lucky because I've been sentenced to a lifetime without my son. It was, it was, it was hard. It was hard for everybody. And this twin brother Hunter took the stand. I can't imagine because they are identical. I mean, he looks exactly like his deceased twin brother. It does. When Hunter took the stand and gave his victim impact statement, honestly, he was very soft spoken. He was very respectful. He, but he was very straightforward. Honestly, very honorable young man. And the first thing he did, then you could tell that this was kind of off, off his script, but he asked Carmelo to look him in the eye. He said, man, just out of respect, can you at least look up? Can you at least look me in the eye while I'm talking to you? And Carmelo did look up for about 15 seconds. And then that was, he looked right back down and did not look at Hunter for the remainder of Hunter's victim impact statement. He just asked him to respect that, please. And he, he refused to respect that. He looked down for the majority of the, actually for all of the victim impact statements. He was looking down. The only time he looked up was when Hunter asked him to, to look him in the eye. And so, but Hunter continued. He didn't, you know, after, after he could, he decided to look down. He didn't bring it up again, but it basically just showed everybody where Carmelo's heart is. But he just, he told him, he said, you took someone away who was supposed to be an uncle to my children and a Godfather to my children. And he said, eventually your name will be forgotten, but my brother's legacy will live forever. And Carmelo still refused to look him in the eye. Wow. That's so emotional. The, the mom and the dad, can you describe them and how they were on the stand and the, the, the impact you think they had in that courtroom? Yes. Megan Metcalf. You can, you can feel anger. I would definitely say that one of the number one emotions that you could feel was anger and rightfully so. Megan Metcalf was very clear spoken. It was, she definitely wanted every single word to burn in the brain of Carmelo for the rest of his life. But she said that the morning, which she's speaking of the morning of April 2nd, she got her morning hug and then I love you. She said that Austin was a really good hugger. And she said, I did not know that it would be the last time that I would feel his arms around me. And then like I said before, she said that you've, you know, you've been given a sentence of 35 years and you should feel lucky because none of them, all of them have been sentenced, you know, a lifetime without. Austin Carmelo said was still down during that time. Jeff was quite a bit more colorful and he definitely went off script. And I don't, I don't blame him. I kind of had a feeling he would because that's, that's who Jeff is. And he was very passionate and he was very angry during his victim impact statement. He shared a video with everybody that was in the courtroom and he let it play while he spoke. And during that video, he basically played a series of pictures and video footage of Austin and Hunter together, just living their lives from the time that they were babies all the way up until they were teenagers. And it definitely made it so much even more impactful than it already was because we got to watch that while we listened to Jeff and he said he, they were robbed. And he begged Carmelo to not look down. He said, don't look down. But Carmelo continued to look down. He would never look at Jeff. And he said that if you asked me what my son's death did to me, it destroyed a part of me. And he meant that when he said it destroyed a part of me, it was a part of him that he was never going to get back. He also said that people think that grief is trauma. And he said it's not, it's rage. And when he screamed, he screamed rage and he slammed his fist on the table in front of him. Everybody was very quiet and everybody was sobbing. He said a piece of him died with his son, but he's still expected to keep living. It was, it was hard. When he was finished, when he was done with his victim impact statement, because he was getting, because you could definitely tell that he was very angry. A deputy walked up to him and escorted him around the courtroom. And as he walked around the courtroom, he stared a hole into Carmelo. He just stared at him the entire time he walked past him. But he controlled himself and he was able to sit back down. And I'm glad that he, I'm honestly glad that he went off script, script because it felt so much more raw and it needed to be. Was it just the three family members and then, and then that concluded and then was at the end of the proceedings? There was one other victim impact statement that was given by Austin's aunt. She was, she was the first ones. There were actually four. It was Austin's aunt, then Megan Metcalf, then Jeff Metcalf, then Hunter. Austin's aunt was like I said, the first and she said that she received the phone call from Megan. And she said that on the morning of April 2nd, and she said that her sister's screams on the phone will always haunt her. And the one question that will always remain with her is why? And it was right around this time that I noticed that Carmelo's mom and dad was not in the courtroom. And then we don't, we don't have an answer to why all these months later, without them, you know, having put the defendant on the stand, even the mother in her attempt to plead for a lesser sentence wasn't able to provide a why. We have no idea why. I mean, we have speculation. We have my own speculation. In fact, I'd like to ask you about it because my own speculation yesterday on the air, Sarah, and you've been a lot closer to this case than anybody really, not, not representing somebody, is that this family is, they've leaned into racial grievance. Why, what else explains the hiring of this Dominique Alexander, who's a race hustler, not to mention a baby beater as their family spokesperson, who is injecting race into this, calling the family the racists, suggesting this is some sort of white supremacist, zero evidence of that. So he decides to smear this hurting innocent family after his client's son took their son's life, and the family stood there. The mother and dad stood there and let him do it, trying to look like victims, like they were the victims holding each other. They're not the victims. They're not the victims. Their son is the victimizer. The victim was Austin and his entire family. So I don't, I mean, what is the story with this Dominique Alexander, who continues not only to go after the Metcalfes, but you too has taken aim at you. I understand the father of Carmelo Anthony has taken aim at you. You're a reporter who's been covering this. What can you expand on that? Yes, Dominique Alexander became, was, was very angry last year because I not only exposed him as a fellow in which anyone could have exposed him for that, but I also thoroughly investigated his organization called Next Generation Action Network and determined through documentation, which you can look at all of it. I shared all the receipts on my platforms. He is what is known as 501C3 hopping, which means that he bounces from 501C3 to 501C3 without submitting appropriate documents to the IRS. His organization has also not revealed their financial statements in years. And so the, one of the ways I was able to determine where they get some other money from is by going to other organizations that are similar and looking at their financial documents and then discovering through there that they, that Next Generation Action Network was receiving donations in the amount of six figures from other organizations that were funded by George Soros. So a lot of that reporting definitely got a lot of attention, as well as of course his, his background of shaking a two year old to the point of brain damage, family violence, constantly getting into violent fights and his participation in some of the Dallas riots years ago. And he got very angry that that got millions of views and he made that clear at his press conference when he honestly very stupidly should, excuse me, pulled up a printout of one of my, one of my ex posts that actually was revealing a threat towards me where they said that they were going to rape me. And he printed that out and held it up at his press conference and said, this is Sarah Fields. I've never heard of this woman and she's getting millions of views. And he was clearly angry and definitely put a target on my back from all of the racists that definitely follow him and pay attention to him. Yeah. And so there was also individuals who consider themselves and call themselves the advocates for the Carmelo Anthony family. There's one individual by the name of Tiffany Billions, aka Tiffany Mechadu, who says that she is the chosen advocate for the Anthony family. And when she said this, it was on a live stream and Drew Anthony was on the live stream with her and did not deny that she was a chosen advocate for the family. And they proceeded to spread rumors that I had sent people to his job to get him fired, which is 100% not true, that I had arranged with groups from Jeff Metcalf's church to go harass him at his job, which was not true. And he participated in all of these lies. So I'm actually in the in the process of a civil suit against Drew Anthony, Tiffany Mechadu and Charleston White right now. Wow. I mean, I don't blame you one bit that just just for being a great reporter, they seem to have targeted you, which says a lot. I'm sorry about the Anthony family. None of it good that they're participating in this, that they're chosen spokesperson is leading this and that their chosen spokesperson is again, a baby abuser. Right. Who, as you point out, brutally abused a two year old baby. It's awful. So we don't know the why, but it doesn't seem like the most outstanding family. Meanwhile, Viva and Mark, stand by Sarah. So happy to have you here and thank you for that gripping description yesterday. Thank you. Meanwhile, this is this is what we're hearing. Okay, this is I have a lot of sound I want to get through because I want to show you guys we were all together yesterday. The reaction that we're getting now in the wake of the verdict and the 35 year old sentence for 35 year sentence. Here is attorney Thelma Anderson. She went on Roland Martin's YouTube show and said the fund she's an attorney. I don't know where she went to law school or what her credentials are, but she's a disgrace. And here's what she said in top 21. First and foremost, the one thing that I would ask for people to do at this moment is pray for the Anthony family because they have been legally lynched for the last year. And more so by this slaughterhouse of a courthouse as well as the family of the Metcabs. So the energy right now is very white supremacy. They have shown up to be the pigs that they display with hate. They are celebrating the loss of life and a loss of freedom. So that's the energy. We have a devastated family who didn't know that they was going to have to let their son go back into a holdover. Because we have an overzealous prosecutor who lied throughout this trial, who put on liars as witnesses in order to be a saving grace for the white community. So that they can win an election. This is unbelievable. I don't know if you want to take that one. I'll just quote from Billy Madison. What we just heard is the most insanely idiotic thing I've ever heard at no point in that rambling nonsense. This is what the major issue is in terms of, I say, aggravating factors to the murder is the total lack of contrition. Like there was not one ounce of remorse, one moment of express regret. There's some things that are irreversible and you can't take them back, but you can certainly beg for forgiveness. But to mobilize and to weaponize manufactured racism to victimize the victim again in death and to have, I don't know who the hell that woman is, but it's not just insanely idiotic. It's wildly dangerous to say that they're celebrating the loss of life in the wake of a murder. And to suggest that any form of justice is white supremacy racism as opposed to taking responsibility for that which is unforgivable and irreversible. But maybe if there was the slightest degree of contrition from anyone involved in that family, there might be some form of sympathy or openness to forgiveness from the family. They make everything work. That family, everyone representing them has made everything worse. And the idiots on the bandwagon jumping behind this manufactured garbage of racism and white supremacy in order to justify what Carmelo Anthony did. It adds insult to the injury. And, you know, the punishment is not harsh enough. Had he been a child, you know, a 17 year old child, had he come out, begged for forgiveness and I don't know why I did what I did. There was no reason for it as opposed to a man, an organized orchestrated demonizing of the victims family. It's absurd and it's unforgivable. We have never heard him throughout this process say the words, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I killed your son. Never. The closest we got was his mother on the stand yesterday after he'd been found guilty saying, being asked, does he regret what he did? Yes, he regrets. That's it with no color. You know, not able to really explain how this has deeply affected him as a man. I understand that he's taken the life of another man, a young man with his life ahead of him and the pain that he's inflicted on the Metcalfe family. None of that, none of that. Instead, we have the family out there through their spokesperson again with these race lies. And now there are supporters like Thelma Anderson out there calling the Metcalfe white supremacists pigs with hate, pigs with hate. Honestly, it's like, I'm going to be nice and move on from her because she's too stupid to spend a lot of time on. She's not the only one, Mark. Yesterday, we heard this from a Carmelo Anthony supporter on Austin's brother Hunter outside of the courthouse. This is via Nick Sorter, SOT 22. I forgot, and the Swedish brother would have been with him. Fuck, it's your thing. They should have both been arrested. Those months and days. The first months and months. Those months and days. He agreed. Oh, please, don't record me. Don't record me. I'm angry. Don't record me. Okay, you can't really understand her. What she's saying is both of them should be dead. Both of them. And honestly, it's like, we're hearing a lot about that, as though somehow the twin brother for being the same size as Austin and being there, he didn't do anything, but somehow he's culpable too. It's like, they need to find a demon here other than Carmelo Anthony, and they seem to have settled on, if not Sarah, in the case of the dad and the spokesperson, the Metcalfe family, the victims' market. Yeah, all right, so let's break this down non-emotionally. Here's what I ask everyone, especially that woman who doesn't deserve the five seconds on your show. Let's just say that the victim was black, and let's say the perpetrator was white. Same facts here. So they'd go, yeah, it's okay. I mean, justifiable, no problem. We're not gonna protest. That would be intellectually dishonest, right? So those who are claiming that the jury got it wrong, that the prosecutor shouldn't have been bringing this case, that somehow this was self-defense, they're not to be taken seriously. Makes no sense. The 35 years, I'll go on record and say that that's fair. I think that if you, to the Sarah's point, I appreciate the emotion because as a father of three, nothing is harsh enough. I get that. I understand why Sarah says it should be more, but let's just take it to the extreme. Let's say there was no due process in this country and the laws allowed the twin brother to stand in open court and sentence him to plunging that same knife that killed his brother into the chest of the defendant. That still wouldn't be enough. It wouldn't take away the pain that this caused. It still wouldn't serve as the deterrent that we want the sentence to be. So then we have to get levelheaded because that's what justice is about. And we say, as Aristotle said, you're supposed to sentence people with like cases being treated alike. So the question is, what do you factor in the fact that he was 17 year old at the time? Okay, so maybe he doesn't deserve a life sentence because of that with no prior record. The facts and circumstances. That we know of. Yeah, all of that, but those are what we call, if we're being intellectual about this, those are mitigators. And he then is being compared with other people who are charged and convicted under the same statute who said, I'm gonna go over there for some, no reason whatsoever, and I'm going to kill someone. And I'm 40 years old and I have a record dating back to the disco crisis, if that's even mathematically possible. And that person should be given life. 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Can I also bring up the fact that when Kayla Hayes took the stand, it was very brief. And pretty much one of the only things that she asked the jury was to please take the scene. Is that? Kayla Hayes, which is the mother of Carmelo when she took the stand regarding the sentencing. Yes, she kept her maiden name. So her name is Kayla Hayes, but she just said, asked the jury, please take mercy on my son. Please take mercy on my baby is what I think. I believe I remember her saying. And when Bill Worski, who is the prosecutor, when he stood up and asked her, are you still going to be able to see your son even in prison? And she said, yes. Will your son still be able to spend time with his family, even during visits from prison? And she said, yes. And then that was it. He had no further questions for her because he already proved his point. I'd also like to say that it was brought up, all the rumors and everything about Hunter. It's absolutely ludicrous, but they've been doing this from the very beginning. Literally the first week that the murder occurred, they've been going after Hunter. They've been spreading rumors that Hunter, along with two other boys actually attacked Carmelo, they purposely went to go view the footage at Frisco ISD and then have their names put on a list as if that would add credibility to them. When they said, see here, I went to go see the video and this is what the video shows. And they started rumors about the video from the very beginning. I saw the video. I did not see clearly the same video that they saw because they claimed that in the video, he was attacked by four boys and that all these crazy things, Carmelo was attacked, he craved, walked backwards. And they literally were starting campaigns and petitions to have Hunter arrested and charged with the murder of his own brother. And those petitions are still up online, by the way. And the rumors that were spread by these people who said that they saw the video, they're still, those lies are still being spread today that he was attacked. Dominique Alexander went live right after the sentencing and lied and said it was an all white jury. It's not an all white jury. He's just angry because there were no black people on the jury and that's the truth. They've literally been lying from the very beginning and spreading disgusting rumors about the Metcalfe family from the very beginning. And they're all very easily proven to be lies. But even if you show them 100% the facts and the evidence of what is actually going on and what went on in this case, they would still never believe it because they're gonna stand by Carmelo because he's black. There was no support for these allegations about a group piling onto Carmelo, Anthony. At all a trial. One witness tried to say, oh, from afar I saw a group around him and the prosecutor disproved it by getting him to admit that the group he saw in the tent and the commotion was after Carmelo stabbed Austin in the heart, which yeah, did cause a commotion. And I'm sure they didn't want Carmelo, Anthony leaving at that point, but nothing, nothing prior. All of the witness testified that Carmelo went in that tent. They asked him to leave, he wouldn't leave. He said, make me. And Austin placed hands on him in a way that wasn't aggressive, wasn't violent, and he got stabbed in the heart before he could even remove the hands. I mean, it was instantaneous that he was dead. That's how this went down. There was no ganging up on Carmelo, Anthony of any kind. But that messaging, those lies, Viva, are why you get things like this. This is on Twitter today, this making the rounds. He appears to be from Texas and here's his warning in SOT 21A. Collin County, Dallas, Texas, Arlington, Grand Parry, Irvin, Downward, Plano, Denny, Keller. It ain't safe for none of you white folks to come out this weekend. I'm giving y'all a fur warning right now. And guess what? It's gonna be a bunch of niggas outside that look like me. And we ain't out there with no pocket knives. We out there with these. I guarantee y'all, y'all gonna pay for what they just did to Carmelo. If you don't believe me, bring y'all bold ass out this weekend and put on your Austin Macalchus shirts and see what happened to you. Okay, I'm sorry, but Viva, that kind of nonsense is a direct result of the lies put out there by Dominique Alexander. The lies that were just put out by Roland Martin, who didn't challenge his lunatic guest, Thelma Anderson, who was making things up about the family being white supremacist pigs. The reporting around this has been so irresponsible in some corners. And indeed, we've seen some of it on social media that you've got people incensed believing some of the lies that have been put out there that Sarah just documented for us. I say like I refuse to believe that these are real people. And I refuse to believe that these are genuine, sincere people expressing their genuine and sincere beliefs. But, and I'm not trying to be glib when you realize that not everybody is equally as intelligent or has a IQ or an EQ above a certain point. When they're relying on the misinformation and disinformation out there, above and beyond being, there's a lot of dumb people out there who are now having access to social media, having access to a bullhorn and having access to news that they don't know how to interpret if accurate and disinformation that they don't know how to distinguish when presented with it. And then coming out and like thinking that they're the righteous ones in doing this. The craziest statement that people don't appreciate just how stupid it is, is if Carmelo were white, he would have gotten away with the atrocity. And this is an indication that it's racially motivated. To which I say like, do you not implicitly understand that what you just acknowledged is that it was an injustice, but you're now prepared to let Carmelo off or grant him innocence on the basis that you perceive that there would have been, had the race has been reversed on injustice by letting the white kid go. And so you're dealing with people who are illogical, ill-informed, and I'm not talking any race-based or anything. This is just like the aggregate knowledge of the internet and the people that reach it. You're dealing with people who are uneducated, ill-informed, and very highly motivated when core identity issues like race become the pivotal factor in their minds. So it's the result of global journalism. It's the result of people who think that they are the heroes in their own story. And I also dare say, I'm not convinced all of it is organic stupidity. I think there is some inorganic funding to this. And you get paid actors, paid agitators. Sarah, I'm not sure if it was you who said it, but someone said, oh, it was Brianna Morello who said, it's tough to believe, but this guy that was flipping out when the cameras were on was totally normal when the cameras were off. My first reaction is, oh, it's almost like it's a paid performance for the purposes of destabilizing society. And now, appreciating that there's a George Soros connection to the funding of societal breakdown, it makes sense. But there's a lot of people that just, they don't understand, but they don't even know. And they're very, very proud of what they don't know. Wow. Did you see any of that yourself, Sarah? Like the guy who was acting nuts yesterday, being totally calm one second, then when the cameras were on, freaking out. That's actually interesting that you bring that up. So like I said, for the majority of the time, I was in the courtroom, however, my good friend that I refer to as Sippy Cup, and you can follow him on social media, he was up here with me every single day, the entire time. And he was in the parking lot the entire time, waiting for me to come out because he wanted to make sure that I was safe from these people because they have threatened my life for a year and his time has definitely increased throughout the trial. But he actually noted and told me the first couple of days that he noticed whenever he would turn on the camera, or whenever they were aware that they were on camera, they definitely immediately began to act crazier. They would be a little bit more calm beforehand. I mean, they were all acting kind of crazy, but he said as soon as that camera was turned on to them, it's like they were getting any form of attention whatsoever, they began to just act psychotic. And he noticed it every single time. So it may not just be actors who are being funded, it also is just because they are simply receiving a little bit of fame, a little bit of attention online, and that excites them. This case is not serious to them. They don't understand that there's been a loss of life, they don't understand that a family is grieving, they don't care about the family, they only care about Carmelo Anthony and making sure that they get there a few minutes of fame on the camera in order to get spread viral, even if all they get is negative attention. I also just wanted to make note of this as well, and I'm sorry, Mark and Viva, I'm about to talk crap about an attorney, but I take serious issue- They definitely don't mind. Okay, I take serious issue with Mike Howard. I don't believe that there was any- The defense lawyer. Correct. I do not believe that there was a single fact that was ever produced by him that could have ever warranted self-defense. In this case whatsoever, instead I think that he stated things that actually made this worse and actually encouraged the behavior of some of these Carmelo Anthony supporters that were in the parking lot and that are all throughout Texas right now. For example, during a sentencing when he was giving his argument, he was asking everyone to consider both sides. During the entire time, let me just make it clear, Bill Worsky, every time he spoke, he spoke passionately, and he never spoke from a script. The DA. Correct. He never spoke from a script. Mike Howard always spoke from a script every time that he talked. Like it was all written out for him and he was not saying anything organically. He also, during his argument for sentencing, he said that it's not the fault of, at this point, he said it's not Austin and Hunter's fault, but he was asking them to consider sudden passion due to Carmelo being terrorized. So which one is it? Is it not the fault of Austin and Hunter? Yeah, maybe the Carrish Fund. Because he said that they were being, it was an issue of terror. That's why he wanted them to consider sudden passion, which real quick, I wanted to also say, when he said that sudden passion need to be considered, I thought that was interesting because I've been here since day one and I was here during jury selection. And during jury selection, the jury pool was told that sudden passion had to be off the table because sudden passion more applied and they were talking about Texas law and they were told that sudden passion could only be considered. And they gave an example of a ranch hand walking into a barn and watching his daughter being molested or raped by someone and then taking the life of that person. They described that as sudden passion, but there is no fact or evidence to support that this was sudden passion, which made me grateful that the jury rejected the notion of sudden passion for this and passing. So let me respond. Let me first, I agree with Sarah. I think that the defense lawyer did a horrible job in certain areas, first and foremost, by calling a witness that he barely got to speak with that went up there and said, like you said, Megan earlier, that there was a crowd during the stabbing and there clearly wasn't. And when you do that, you lose credibility with the jury that should never have taken place. Additionally, to call no one other than his mother at sentencing, man, there's people lining up who will say he's a great kid, whether it's true or not, write out a script for the damn kid that he pretends that he wrote himself and get like, to me, that if there is malpractice at sentencing, which there's not, he committed it. So I'm no huge fan of his and Sarah was there, if he's reading from things and he's not speaking passionately to the jury like the prosecution did, he was outlawered, shame on him, bad, bad, bad. However, if you want the sentence to stick, he needs to be represented. Talking about due process. So what's in it for you guys? You need a lawyer. If that lawyer gets up there and says, they're not gonna get you, I am. And they pointed their finger at their own client, said he's bad and he's wrong, then that would come back on appeal. So you need a lawyer who's up there delivering effective assistance of counsel, which means that they're making arguments that are in the best interest of the defendant. It wasn't a who done it. He needed to argue the only legal argument that he could make is self-defense. It doesn't mean that it rose to the level of one that the jury would embrace, but that's the only argument he can make. And if he didn't, the case would come back on appeal because someone would say correctly, that he failed to provide him an adequate defense. Arguing the sudden passion. That's why he's using words like terror. Yeah, so. I get it. Sudden passion. It was offered. It's his job. As we discussed yesterday, he did come back in a charge of manslaughter. And they rejected it. Well, no, he was terrible. He was awful. I'm not mad at him, because I'm happy that there's a convention. But he had to do his job. I'd be mad if I were the defendant. I do want to show you this. So it's not just like the, we were discussing whether these people are misinformed by Dominique Alexander, the family, social media, whatever it is. I actually think that a fair amount of them, they're not misinformed at all. It's just a race thing. It's just like that black woman said outside of the courthouse two days ago, we're gonna protect our own. We're gonna protect our own. She said it outright. It's what happened in OJ for some of the jurors. And I think that's how a lot of the people outside of this courthouse clearly feel. Then there's Jasmine Crockett. So she's a lawyer. I know it's shocking, but she actually is a lawyer. She gets out there on the internet and actually has the following to say about the size of the knife, Sot 25, watch this. Was it a switch? I don't know, Woody Hage. It was like, it seemed like it was a multi-tool. Almost like a Swiss army. Like with the, yeah, like with the little scissors and everything and whatever. So it was small. Well, I would argue the size of it alone, you wouldn't even think it's a daily weapon. And that's why- You never got to head through the bag. If it was one of the little, like, I don't know. Like I do think- Well, that's why he went to his coach and was like, but I don't think I heard him that bad. She's an idiot. That was a ridiculous statement to be made on so many fronts. It did the trick, Congressman Crockett. So you know it's a deadly weapon, okay? That was insane. She was, yeah, she was so full of disinformation. Yes, out of Houston, many people. Here's, but she's, her career is over. Here's the second one. Listen to this. Well, she's trying to argue that there was a deadly weapon there other than the knife. And I'll let her explain. Stop 26. If a 300 pound man is beating me, like on top of me and beating me down, I'm not limited to fist. You know, I would argue that even the only time we go into things like people's hands being considered deadly weapons is typically like if they're a professional boxer or that kind of stuff. But I think by the time you start getting to like football player, good argument, good freaking argument. We're not talking about like the golfers. We're talking about football players, right? Like this is what they are trained to do is to inflict like serious physical contact. That is so dangerous. Assumes fast, not in evidence. I mean, he pushed them. That's it to suggest to anyone watching her, you'd erroneously think this 300 pound person is pounding him which would change the facts. He's beating, beating. Would beat him. Right? That's what she's erroneously suggesting. That is dangerous what she's doing. I have to. If you wanted to create a race riot, would you talk differently than that, Viva? I mean, that's why I'm saying she's not confused. She is just going with the race thing and pandering. Her career's over. She's got to serve out her term, but she's in, you know, redistricting has done her in. She's bitter. She's decided to lean into this persona. And apparently it includes pandering to this panel of other black women and one guy about how it's all Austin Metcalf's fault because of his hands. It is political and legal retardation. And there's no other way to explain it. It's like saying, if and I posit a number of facts which are not the facts at issue. Well, if my grandmother had testicles, she'd be my grandfather. She has facts that were not only not in evidence, but demonstrably false from the evidence. But she knows her faith is riled up racially motivated and ill-informed because they're relying on her political and legal retardation. And she comes out with a factual pattern, which if true would have been entirely different. Remember when I think it's Rajah Jackson, Rampage Jackson's son is wailing on that guy in the wrestling match, just pounding. Yeah, in a circumstance like that, a knife or a gun, and you would be totally, totally justified. In a high school shove, if it was that, which there's an argument that it wasn't, you want the immediate now legally justified response to a high school shove to be stabbing in the heart. And coming to the size of the knife, it's as dumb as saying, well, it was a low caliber gun that he shot him with. He didn't use a cannon or a bazooka. He just used a Beretta or a pistol. I mean, she's an idiot. I'm convinced also she is actually just stupid, but she's maliciously motivated. And the only grift that they can get out of this, other than demonizing and dehumanizing the victim, is to stir up a base that they know is stupid, that they know is ready for action, and willing to gobble down their lies because it makes them feel good, and it gives them something to feel good about themselves about. In all cases, like this one, there's zero evidence of white supremacy on the part of this family or this victim. Zero evidence that he beat Carmelo Anthony in any way, shape, or form. The evidence that Carmelo went there looking for a fight. That's what the evidence showed. And Sarah, I believe she's doing this as a racial tickler for lack of a better term. She's trying to incense people based on race, because listen to how she went on to talk about race in that same interview, Sot 27. Black women, especially black women who have black male children, live in fear and agony every single day. A fear and agony that I promise you, the Metcalf probably never spent a day living that way. And we're gonna have to have just some real conversations about race in this country. Until he was murdered. I mean, it's professional. All right, that's Sarah, go ahead. I just want to say to them, Austin is not a victim. They are the victim. They have all painted themselves as a victim. They are, it's professional victimhood. And without their professional victimhood, they would have nothing else. Even the witnesses that Mike Howard brought onto the stand agreed that he was not surrounded and agreed that it was nothing but a push. So it's all professional victimhood. It's a group of race hustlers who are trying to create a race war. And meanwhile, the victims who happen to be white haven't done any of that. They haven't done any of that. It's the perpetrators, associates and supporters who are trying to create a race war here, even though this was a black on white crime. It's totally outrageous. All I have to say is enjoy prison. That's where you belong. You are so lucky you got a 35 year sentence. I would have sentenced you to 99 years, which was an option for this jury. And I wouldn't have felt bad about it for two seconds. Good riddance. Panel, thank you. Very good to see all of you. We appreciate it. Up next, we're gonna be covering the latest in Belfast after a near beheading. Missed calls and slow follow-ups are silent killers. That's how businesses leave money on the table without even realizing it. That's why today's episode is brought to you by Quo. It's spelled Q-U-O, the business communication system built so you never miss a call. Your entire team can handle calls and texts from one shared number, meaning no more dropped conversations. Everyone sees the full threat, replies are faster, and your customers actually feel prioritized. Quo works wherever you are on your phone or computer. 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There is no downplaying the horror of what unfolded. The victim pinned to the ground while being repeatedly stabbed about his face and neck. It was witnesses who described it as a near beheading. The victim now identified as 41-year-old Steven Ogilvy. During a court hearing today, it was revealed he lost his left eye and suffered severe damage to his right eye as well, deep cuts to his face and lacerations to his back. While not confirmed by authorities, locals say Ogilvy is special needs and was already hard of hearing. Neighbors said the suspect had moved into the neighborhood recently and that Ogilvy was initially attacked by two people, again, unconfirmed, but that is what at least one eyewitness is reporting. The suspect is 30-year-old Hadi Al-Odeid, a Sudanese national. He's now been charged with attempted murder. He appeared in court today with an Arabic interpreter. He did not speak when asked questions by the judge and appeared without any legal representation. According to GB News, after he was arrested, he threatened medical staff, telling them, quote, I'll kill you. The online news outlet Visigrad24 releasing this photo of the suspect. All smiles here. Al-Odeid entered the country through what's described as an asylum loophole. Per the UK Telegraph, the so-called Irish route involves migrants flying to Dublin from Europe, sometimes on false papers, that's in the Republic of Ireland. And then they travel unchecked up to Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK, by land, to only then claim they fear for their life and need asylum. So this guy went through Paris, France, and then was in the Republic of Ireland before he pled for asylum in Northern Ireland, which as you guys know from our own immigration problems here, if you've been through two countries already, you don't need asylum in Northern Ireland. Yep, you had two others. Why didn't we get our asylum in Paris, France? They love immigrants. Go there, right? I'm sure that's how the people of Northern Ireland are feeling today, but asylum is like, I just need to get out of my country, which is war-torn, which the Sudanese is, for safety. Great, how do we get out of France? How did he get passed off to Ireland and how did Ireland pass him off to Northern Ireland? These are questions that are gonna be examined. The incident that happened again in Northern Ireland, in Belfast, is triggering wave after wave of protests across Northern Ireland. Houses, buses, cars, and a supermarket were set on fire yesterday and overnight. At one point, a group of mass protesters going to local migrant housing units, kicking down doors. They're just angry. They've had it with the mass migration. Same as we have. UK politicians like Prime Minister Kier Starrmer calling for calm, saying any act of violence is quote, totally unjustified. And in an astonishing moment on Sky News, indicative of some of the problem, anchor Kathy Newman, she was with Channel 4 for many years, she just recently joined Sky, rushed to her newsroom computer to blame the so-called far right, taking issue with them, for describing what people saw with their own eyes, to saying that they were quote, whipping this up for their own ends. Watch this. So let's look at how this story unfolded on X. It happened soon after 10.30 last night, 11.39 p.m. Tommy Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley Lennon, posts a video on X saying, horrific scenes in North Belfast tonight, as an invader was caught trying to behead a man in the middle of the street. Now the restore MP, Rupert Lowe, uses similarly strong language at 6.18 this morning. If a migrant comes to our country in attempts to saw a man's head off in the street, a restore Britain government will not deport. With the British people's approval, that savage will be put to death. That is not enough. These atrocities will keep happening. The barbarians are already inside the gates. Now, 8.42 a.m., Nigel Farage joins in. What happened in Belfast last night is horrific. The authorities must reveal the identity and status of the attacker immediately. The public are entitled to the truth. 9.09 a.m., Alex Burgod for the Tories says, last night there was an appalling and brutal attack in North Belfast, which was met by extraordinary bravery by some local people. So the question is, to what extent far right accounts on X are whipping this up for their own ends? Great. She's really got her eye on the ball. The strong language being used by the far right in response to someone's head almost being chopped off by an asylum seeker. Okay, way to have your eye on the ball, madam. Joining me now, GB news host, Will Kingston. And Greg Swanson is here as well. Greg is chairman of Republicans Overseas UK, an organization supporting American Republicans living in the United Kingdom. He's also the co-founder of the Hamilton Society, which is an organization fighting for free speech, discourse, and debate. Guys, welcome to the show. This is unbelievable. Will, we had you on not long ago because you were railing about this exact issue, how it was affecting the UK, and the public's, well, the media and some of their representatives, refusal to get honest about this and instead their knee-jerk adherence to the proper language so that nobody gets offended. Now we're seeing attempted beheadings in the street. It doesn't feel like people listen to you. No, they didn't listen, Megan. It's good to see you again. One day I'll be able to come on this show and chat about a good news story in the UK, but that day is not today. The violence that you just referred to was atrocious. No one sensible is condoning it, but in many ways it is understandable, if you can't even know you can't condone it. This is human nature. If you plead with the government, if you tell them repeatedly that there is huge problems in your community that is being caused by mass migration, if you tell them that the multicultural project is failed and they continue to gaslight you day after day after day, but more than gaslighting you telling you it isn't a problem, telling you that you're the problem for using herty words, for sowing division, and for not going along with their multicultural project, if you feel like you're not being listened to, then your natural instinct is to resort to extreme measures. Now that's not the right thing to do. Absolutely not. If you like someone's home on fire, you should go to prison, but at the same time, the government needs to understand that they are complicit in this. They are the ones who have driven people to these extremes, but instead, once again, they're just going on about herty words, social division, the lessons are still not being learned, Megan. This is, I think, a tipping point, Greg, where it's just... I think the UK has had it. I think the citizens of the UK have had it. The citizens of America have had it. And they're kind of... The UK is a little bit woker than we are, and I think our drafting behind us when it comes to our reforms and the same on immigration. And over here, it did take a couple of key things, unfortunately, like the murder of Lake and Riley is one of the things that comes to mind before people who were not of the right and not already complaining about this problem realized it's gone too far when you need to do something about it. Do you think the UK is now at that point? Yes, definitely. I mean, the country is really demoralized right now, and it's the incidents like this, it's the two-tiered policing and two-tiered justice, and all of these things we've seen in the US. I mean, I'm thinking about Sheridan Gorman, who was killed in Chicago by an illegal migrant just a few months ago. And that's what really hits home, and I think it's hitting home in the UK, but it's not new either. It's been... This has been a real issue. And it just... I think the comments from Kathy Newman as well as from the government, it just shows the absolute disconnect that we'll point it out, the disconnect between the government and the people. And the top two issues, not just in the United Kingdom, but in Ireland, where I spend a lot of time, the top two issues are cost of living and mass migration. And what are the top two issues they hear from the government? Policing misinformation, which is code for censorship, and net zero. So it's really sad, and you understand the frustration of the people now. It's not exactly the same issue, Will, but on the heels of what happened with Henry Novak, this white young man who was murdered in the street by a Sikh man who was given all the credibility because of his skin color. He happened to be brown, alleging that he'd been attacked by Henry, which was a lie on racial grounds, another lie. If anybody was racist in the exchange, it was the Sikh man, Vikram Digwa, and his family. So it's already a powder keg over there, because I do think that there's a healthy faction of UK residents who are sick, sick and tired of watching white people get killed in the streets by, in both of these cases, one's a brown man, one's a black man, and having immediately credibility go to the person who's the perpetrator. And in this case, this guy was allowed into the UK. Obviously, he's mentally disturbed. Without any screening whatsoever, and sicked upon the people of ultimately Northern Ireland, there's got to be true outrage as a result of these pair of incidents. Yeah. You're right in saying they are not the same incident, but their roots are grounded in the same toxic left-wing ideology, Megan. And that is that in both instances, there is this sympathy for what I perceive to be ethnic minorities in an oppressed class. And as a result of that, special privileges need to be afforded to them. In one case, a two-tiered policing system. In the other case, the ability to get leave to remain, which basically means that an extended period in the United Kingdom, despite the fact that someone has come from a culture completely alien to the United Kingdom, and despite the fact that this person is, as we can see, a monster, an unimaginable monster. So there is a line that runs through it. But the other line that runs through both of these cases, Megan, is that for both cases, there is footage. Now, the government in the UK for decades has just about been able to control the narrative. They've been able to suppress the rate gang scandal, which we've talked about. They've been able to minimise the threat of illegal migrants. But in the last two weeks, the UK has woken up to the most horrific footage you'll ever see and footage shutters narratives. You can't unsee what you've already seen with your own eyes. So I think people in the last two weeks have woken up to basically the way that their government has been gaslighting them and betraying them. And if there's one good thing to come out of these two appalling incidents, it is that people are waking up because of that visceral feeling in the pit of your stomach that you can only get through seeing these sorts of awful, awful footage that has now been going around social media and around the world. These guys last night out in masks, going after the immigrant communities, Greg, were at the end of their rope. Like, here's a picture showing for the listening audience, a group of men in Northern Ireland who appear to be masked walking down the street. And it's one of those things like, sorry, but to quote Colonel Jessup, you fucked with the wrong Marine. Like this, you're now you're in Northern Ireland and you're beheading their fellow countrymen. What did you think was going to happen? I don't, I'm not blaming all the immigrants there, but their government's not helping them. They're like, Kier Stammer's doing nothing. And in fact, this guy was sicked upon them without a thought for their well-being over the well-being of their children. I don't blame them one bit for feeling like they had to take a law into their own hands. Yeah, they just haven't been listened to. And so they've tried. I remember the United Kingdom is home to the great phrase, keep calm and carry on from from World War Two. And they have kept calm and they've tried to do this in a legitimately peaceful way for years now. And the government just won't listen to them. And the other challenge is this woke ideology, this, you know, the DEI has really been institutionalized, much like it was here with the Biden administration, you know, the whole of government on DEI. Well, they have this, this program called the Police Race Action Plan, the PRAP. That was a direct result of the George Floyd and the mostly peaceful protests back in the summer of 20. And so, you know, they've made two-tiered policing part of the training. And so these police, even if you have a rogue cop here and there, they actually are trained this way. And that's what's really unsettling about it. And then again, you have the media coming out, especially state-owned media and RTE in Ireland and BBC. And then when I was on with Will over the weekend, you know, I saw a headline from the CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. And of course, the headline was far right, hijacks Henry Novak. You know, it's just typical of trying to distract. It gives the politicians, I mean, these riots give the politicians an excuse to ignore the actual issue. And that's really a shame. Can I add to this, Megan? Oh, yeah, the Guardian today, the headline, politicians try to calm tensions inflamed by social media after stabbing in Belfast. Do you think it might have been the stabbing in Belfast as opposed to the social media, the BBC Tuesday night? Disorder breaks out in Belfast after man-charged over-knife attack, just man-charged over-knife attack. Nothing about his immigration status, nothing about an attempted beheading, the blinding of a man. And then the New York Times, they did do a story on it, but no coverage on the main page Tuesday night. Same with The Washington Post. If this had been a white man potentially beheading a black man, it would be everywhere. Same as it would be treated as George Floyd 2.0. Well, yeah, of course. And that was the same with Henry Novak. And it's so blindingly obvious now. But to go back to the response from those Irish protesters, and again, it is important to caveat, don't burn down buildings, don't attack police officers. If you do, you should go to jail. At the same time, the politicians need to take accountability for that response. If, I'm sure we've probably all been in our fair share of domestic arguments over the years, if when you are arguing with someone and you resort to stop it, you are being hysterical, what happens? You get a hysterical response. You make people more angry. This is the meta equivalent of that. The government is effectively saying to these people, stop it, you're being hysterical, stop being angry. They're attempting to regulate the emotions of the people. And instead, what they need to do is they need to say, we feel your anger as well. We empathize with you. The only person who has tried to do that is Nigel Farage, who is the leader of the reform party. That's it. Nigel Farage, of course, he gets it, which is why he's become so popular. I want to play a little bit from him. Sot 4. Now, to us in America, we've been listening to much sharper rhetoric than that for years now, thanks to Trump. But that's some straight talk for the citizens of the UK that they don't hear from their politicians every day. As you point out, well, Nigel Farage stands out. And I wonder, Greg, whether you think that's going to have any, I don't know, like, are the other politicians, are the Kier Starmers of the world, who are actually in power, going to have to listen? I doubt it. I mean, Kier Starmer is completely disconnected. He'll just come out with some woke statement. I mean, it's an amazing skill he has. He can talk for 10 minutes and not say anything. It's amazing. And then even locally, the Lord Mayor of Belfast, her name is Rosemary Donnelly, she did it two weeks ago when she first took office. She did this rant about diversity. She sounded like Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London. And then, of course, the Northern Irish Assembly Leader, her name is Michelle O'Neill. In 2022, she went on the BBC and argued that the IRA had every right to use violence and that because they weren't being listened to and they had to resort to violence. Well, now she's, of course, saying that all violence is sped. And again, I agree with both of you that, no, you should not be burning houses down. You should not be attacking policemen. Of course not. But I think we all agree that the people just weren't listened to. And the government has just ignored arguably the number one issue in both countries. Can I add to that, Megan, as well? Not only do I think that you won't get that type of response from the Labour Party, the equivalent of the Democrats in the UK, they will double down. Because if they were to admit that a mass migration has led to the mutilation in this case of men on the street, led to the sexual assault of women, led to the abuse of children, if they were to concede that multiculturalism has effectively destroyed the social fabric of the United Kingdom, they would effectively be denouncing their entire worldview, their entire reason for being. It has been their religion for 20 to 30 years now. And, you know, as well as I do, you don't renounce your religion overnight. It's fundamental to who you are. So for these people, they are going to double down and double down and double down, regardless of how many people die, regardless of how many madmen are on the streets with weapons, you know, causing havoc. Because if they don't, then, you know, effectively their entire reason for being is disintegrates. OK, so Michelle O'Neill is the she's an Irish politician. She's been first Minister of Northern Ireland since February of 2024. Here she was on GB News. I think this is yesterday, Sat 10. Quite the monologue there, Doug, on fake news and on the day that's in it, totally inappropriate. I don't know any country that has open borders. I believe in an immigration system that is fair and managed and enforceable and compassionate and human rights compliant. But that is not the debate for today. The debate today is about our society, about our inclusive society, our welcoming society. Our conversation today is about our thoughts are very much with that gentleman who finds himself a victim of that violent and horrific attack last night. Our thoughts today are about creating calm in our society. So I think the message from here, from this platform is very consistent. And I have no truck with your fake news. Unbelievable. OK, so there she was, right? That is suggesting that the reporter who clearly asked her about open borders was off, was misinformed. And then she says she knows to say, OK, today is not the day to talk about immigration policy, like as if she's focused on the crime. She's not the reason we're talking about immigration policies because this guy is there as an asylum seeker. And then actually has a nerve to say, I believe in an immigration system that's compassionate and human rights compliant and an inclusive society. I mean, a man's head was almost cut off. The mass rapes didn't do it. Greg, what's it going to take for politicians like that to understand she's completely out of touch with those guys in the masks who have felt the need to march on Northern Ireland last night? Totally. And I think it was the case here only a few years ago in the US when we had 15 million people coming across the border. And so in the UK, this is, again, not a new issue. It's there's been so many incidents and you can't argue anymore, like many of the politicians will, that there are one off situations or exceptions. This is pretty consistent in the last few years in the UK and in Ireland. And that's why the people are protesting and act behaving violently because they're just so frustrated. But you're not going to hear that from the leadership from the progressive left. That's for sure. You'll hear it from people like Nigel, of course, and then the media will call him far right and divisive. But I don't see anybody in Ireland or in the UK currently that will finally admit that this is a problem. Megan, can I add? You got for Nigel Farage. Yes. You're saying all this. Yeah, go ahead, Will. They are these sorts of politicians are starting to use a series of repeated tactics to try and deflect from these uncomfortable conversations. And it's really obvious after Henry Novak and now the atrocity in Belfast, the first is to hide behind the so-called wishes of the family. So we've just received, I've just seen on Twitter just before going on, the families. Yeah, I have it too. Yeah, do you do it? If you got it, you can get it up if you want. Yeah, the statement of the victim here, Stephen Olke. It's long, but the highlights are we're completely devastated by this. It's been a massive shock to our whole family. Right now, our priority is being at his bedside and helping him. We want to say a profound thank you to the local people who bravely stepped in during the attack. We'll never forget what you did. We also want to thank emergency services, the doctors, the nurses. We're aware of the tensions and talk of protests following this incident. We want to make it absolutely clear that overnight unrest is not welcome and peaceful protest is the only way forward. We have many migrants who make a deeply valuable contribution to our country, including in our healthcare system and hospitality sector, and we depend on them to make our country work. We do not want this terrible tragedy to be used to divide people or fuel hostility. We're asking the media and the public to please give us some space. We need privacy to focus on our family right now. Go ahead, Will. Yeah, so do you notice a pattern here? That sounds eerily similar to the final part of the statement from Henry Novak's family. Now, number one, I'm not for a moment diminishing the pain that these families are going through. I'm not diminishing the courage that they have had to show. But it is very, very obvious that police liaison officers work with families to put particular narratives into these statements, which police are which politicians then use as smoke screens, because they can go when people say, well, maybe we need to talk about mass migration now. They go, no, no, no, we need to focus on the wishes of the family. As a thought experiment, imagine if that statement said the wishes of the family are for an end to mass migration and to a rejection of multicultural ideology. Do you think politicians will be saying, well, we need to defer to their wishes? Of course they wouldn't. It's a very convenient smoke screen. This is all just a tactic. And that again is something that people now are starting to pick up on because people aren't stupid. Then I don't know anything about this ogle v. I'm sure we're going to be learning a lot more about the victim here in the days to come. But it doesn't seem like a man of means. I'm not sure how sophisticated his family is, but it's probably not too huge a task to bully this grieving family that's very, very concerned about his living or dying into saying something that they're now being told by the authorities will save lives, will tamp down fires in the streets, and their dear neighbors being evicted. It's like, okay, great. I mean, in theory, sure, immigrants are fine. We did that in America four years. That's how we filled our country. Eventually, we had a lot of immigrants who came here over the years. But it's to pretend that just this concept of immigration as like a net good is still operable when we, the UK and America and Europe in general, have way more immigrants, illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, and so on, than we can handle. Then our public services can handle. Then our crime services can handle. And real actual citizens are getting hurt. It's just belied reality. I want to stay with you for one second, Will, because I saw you had somebody on named Kai Wilshaw on your show. And once again, we had nonsense being shoved on us. And you called this person out here. Let's watch it. Sot 3. You think that we've got a problem in Northern Ireland and also in this country with mass unbettered immigration? Yes, I do. Right. We can hold two ideas in your heads, though, can't you? You can both say and understand that trying to call, well, calling people savages, talking about alien cultures at this time, at this present moment, doesn't get to solutions. You can be angry and people are clearly angry about this. There are also far right influences, many not from this country, who are trying to use this tragedy as a way to foment violence and they have no part in. I can see you getting quite annoyed by that. I'm so sick of this equivocating from the left. This isn't a day to talk about, well, the influence of the far right. And then we can talk about the guy being decapitated after that. Why not? There is a direct... Because if we don't talk about it... No, I'm not going to finish. I'm going to let... I'm going to let... I'm going to let... I'm not going to let you... No, I'm not finished. I was not finished. I was just letting that sit in the air for the audience to make their own judgment. People are not listening. Our people are not being listened to. And when you have the feeling you're not being listened to, you feel like you have no other recourse apart from violence. To your point, that's not right, but that is human nature. Good for you. Yeah. Now, as a caveat, Kai is a friend of mine. He is a very good person. But I think those comments were reflective of this sort of attitude amongst parts of the leftist commentariat that basically puts hurty words on the same level as actual violence. We saw the... And Megan, the first time we spoke was in the wake of the awful death of Charlie Kirk. And you saw the same attitudes coming out where people said, because Charlie had particular opinions, well, therefore, in many ways, that justified violence against him. That was the attitude of a scary amount of people on the left. And you're saying the same thing here. It's, well, getting your... You know, an illegal... Well, not a legal migrant, technically sadly, but a third world barbarian migrant coming in and almost chopping someone's head off is bad. But at the same time, far right opinions are also bad. So we need to put them on the same level. And if you do that, you're basically then justifying violence against those hurty words. That is why that attitude and that equivocating is so incredibly dangerous. Yes. And it's completely off point today. It really is. It's like, why don't you spend some time... You can condemn the violence. You can say they shouldn't be burning things. You must start the discussion with, why are they burning things? Let's not go right to it's bad to burn. Why are they burning things in Northern Ireland? Could it have anything to do with the attempted beheading? Like, this is so much crazier. George Floyd was a fentanyl addict who had enough fentanyl in his body to kill a horse, who resisted arrest, who had hurt a lot of people, and found himself on the wrong side of the cops on a particular day. They treated that like it wasn't attempted beheading by a police officer of George Floyd, and it wasn't. In fact, they railroaded Derek Chauvin into his prison cell by pressuring the medical examiner and attorneys in the DA's office. All of it has come out since then. But, you know, does that encourage anybody in the wake of that tragedy to actually take an honest look at like, how people have gotten to the place where they're this angry? No, they won't. And to your point, Will, and I'll run this by you, Greg, we're now seeing like seconds after the family releases that statement. Top of the BBC. Family of Belfast knife victims say unrest is not welcome as extra police brought onto streets. Top of the sky news. Belfast victims' families say riots not welcome. The Guardian. Families of Belfast victim appeals for calm and stresses deeply valuable contribution of many migrants. I mean, as if on cue. Yeah, it's like a woke mind trick. And now they're going to deflect everybody from the real issue. But then also do do their best to convince the people that that the family actually feels this way. When Will points it out, it was clearly written by some staffer, you know, at the police department. So, you know, look, it's they'll try. But I think, you know, back to the, you know, live videos don't lie. And I think they're going to try to bury this thing. But I don't think it will work. And the other thing we talked about, George Floyd, you know, that whole that whole narrative after George, during and after George Floyd about, you know, unarmed black men, the epidemic of unarmed black men being killed by racist police officers was a complete fabrication. You know, you probably, you know, talk to Heather McDonald from the Manhattan Institute. I mean, the many times. Yeah, the numbers just don't show that. And and so that was a myth. And the media just ran with it, including the current leadership of the United Kingdom right now. Can I make one more point back? I mean, they lied so many times about these white cops who were on the hunt for black men. Total lie. In the year that George Floyd died, the Washington Post kept a running tally of those who were unarmed who were actually shot and killed by police. It was 12. It was 12. And in those 12, they counted men who were driving at cops in a vehicle. And sometimes those vehicles had guns in the glove box, but not with standing the fact that they were driving, you know, a whatever ton car up trying to run over a cop. They were considered unarmed. That that was the peak of the year in which they said the cops had lost, you know, all control and were hunting black men 12 in a country of 330 million. And where we have 10 million stops in arrest a year. 12, you've got to be kidding me. So this is all a false narrative. And now what we're seeing is repeatedly black, unwhite or brown, unwhite violence or murders and a police force that's paralyzed because of the lies that were told during George Floyd and thereafter and that have never stopped being told will. Yeah, that's right. And they are paralyzed for a couple of reasons. Number one, that old go to that they are afraid of being called racist, but it's not just the shame element there. They are worried that if they go to a crime scene like Henry Novak's Henry Novak crime scene and they are perceived to be being racist, then that's their job. That's potential inquiries. That is public humiliation. This is the first impulse that goes through so many police officers mind right now. And what has been written into so many police guidance manuals in the respective police forces across the United Kingdom is that racism is determined subjectively by the person who effectively is the accuser of the racism. So there's no objective test. This was the big thing that came out of what was called the MacPherson report in the late 90s, which was delivered by the Blair government, who was responsible for so many of the problems that we see now in this country. But basically the big thing there is it goes from being an objective legal test of what could be racist conduct to subjective. If I feel that someone is being racist towards me, then therefore racism has occurred. And so therefore you have police officers walking on eggshells to make sure that to make sure that they can't be perceived even subjectively to be in that position. And to your point that then paralyzes. That's an insane, insane legal standard. This just in the UK telegraph is reporting the following. The Belfast knife attack victim is in a coma after being repeatedly stabbed in an unprovoked assault. The victim who is originally from Rathcool, newton abbey is disabled and has schizophrenia. So this guy is disabled, has schizophrenia. According to one neighbor, it was already hearing impaired. Now has lost one eye. Reportedly may not be able to see as a result of this attack out of the other eye. And if the if the picture I saw online, which we are not showing, we're not, it's not confirmed to be him. But if it is him, a picture of him in his hospital bed, I mean, his face is completely hacked up. It is, it's, he's almost unrecognizable. I'm sure it is loved ones because there are so many slashes all over it. Also via the telegraph, offcom Greg, which is the it's a very, it's a very big brother. It's like scary organization. Every, every time you hear offcom, it's like, it's just a very creepy situation where they're trying to crack down on free speech. It's what happens on the airwaves in particular, but it includes social media. They've written to social media platforms over online posts that they believe could have quote, incited the riots on Tuesday. This is crazy. You know what incited the riots? This guy from the Sudan had tried to behead a guy from Northern Ireland. The, the watchdog said it was contacting specific providers, although would not confirm which ones quote, where we believe there are specific risks around the presence of illegal content relating to the civil unrest. Talk about not seeing the forest through the trees. Yes, it's really Orwellian completely and offcom. I mean, we know a lot about offcom at GB news. That's for sure. It's really outrageous what they're doing. And they've been at this for years. I mean, you know, the same with the, the, the Biden administration during the COVID crisis, right? You know, if you said anything about the Great Barrington Declaration, you were taken down on, on Twitter at the time. And so it's the same with offcom. They are, they are definitely thought police and, and are a real, a real burden on the, on conservative media for sure. They'll let the BBC do whatever they want. You know, they'll, they'll doctor videos at the BBC. I don't, I don't see offcom ever, ever, ever hassling the state-owned media, but it's, it's really a shame. And I, I would like to do something about offcom in the UK. That's for sure. Well, the other thing is if you're, if you are on the news on the BBC or in the UK and you say something hateful or racist about whites, you're good. It's no problem. We've seen that. We've seen commentators, I'm trying to think of the specific one it was around, I think at one of the royal events, but she said something so blatantly racist. They don't care. That's fine. You can be as anti-white as you want, Will. It's just if you say anything, you know, that, that might sound a little insurrection-y around an attempted beheading of a white citizen in Northern Ireland, then offcom may come knocking on your social media platform. Yeah. I think I've said this to you before, Megan, but I am so incredibly jealous of your first amendment because that certainly is not the case in the UK. And as is the case with all speech censorship since the beginning of time, it is inherently subjective. And that subjectivity comes from, well, what is the establishment belief? And then let's try and ingrain that belief. So Greg is right. You know, that they're, and I'm not, I'm not playing victim here as a GBN News presenter, but it is just a fact that the GBN News is targeted by people who put in offcom complaints to have considerably higher degree than the BBC or Sky News. And the other thing which needs to be said is that so many forms of bias, and Megan, you know this better than anyone, are not necessarily just what is said on the news or how it is framed, is what stories are chosen and what aren't chosen. And in that respect, organisations like the BBC, like Sky News, are the most biased organisations of all because they won't touch some of the stories that really matter. They were dragged kicking and screaming to talk about two-tier policing. They didn't touch rape gangs. They didn't touch the illegal migrant crisis. Now, interestingly, they've had to get there. And I think GBN News plays a big role in that, just dragging them to sensible positions. But the reality is the bias so often comes in the media from what is and is not said. And that's the thing which I think sometimes goes missed, is missed. Here is the latest now from the BBC, speaking of them, how the rage machine on social media inflamed violence in Belfast, how embarrassed would you be if you publish that as the lead to today's news out of Northern Ireland? I'm embarrassed for them. They go on, reporting by someone, Mariana Spring. It leads with this line. I've been investigating for the BBC's Top Comment podcast how what happened in Belfast is a part of a pattern of violence inflamed by social media algorithms. All these posts are recommended by algorithms which run on emotions like rage, hate online, and then offline is directed at immigrants, many of whom have nothing to do with the incident. This happened during the riots after the murder of three girls in Southport. It happened after allegations of a gang rape in Ebsen. This is unbelievable, which turned out not to have happened. And it occurred following the murder of teenager Henry Novak. She doesn't get it. What the social media you see is what outraged the people after the murder of all these UK residents. It's so outrageous what the social media platforms are doing after all these murders of innocence and rapes of other ins. It's outrageous. You can't help the BBC. That's why GB News was born, by the way. You just have to move on without this organization. It's such an interesting insight into the lefty mindset in that they really just think people are idiots. They think if you see something, you will then believe something. You will then do something as a consequence of that belief. They think that everyone is lemmings. That may well be because most lefties are lemmings and they do that. But if you are on the right, you generally are more pragmatic and you generally have better critical thinking skills. But it is their belief that if you are exposed to something, you therefore will adopt that view. And therefore it is our obligation to suppress information. Like this is authoritarianism 101. And that is why in the wake of these sorts of tragedies, like Henry Novak and like what we saw in Belfast, I bet you anything, social media censorship and censorship laws more generally are never far behind because it is easier for them to suppress speech than it is to actually deal with the root cause problems that we were talking about earlier. You know, right now, right now, I am working with Lawrence Fox, who got fired from GB News. That's another story for nonsense. But I am working with him because he was going to have a debate at Oxford Union that was proposed by a Palestinian woman who happens to be Muslim. And she wanted to have a debate about Islam's role in the West. And whether it is being unfairly demonized as is her POV or not. Or whether it is not consistent with Western democracies. They wouldn't allow it to happen. They shut it down. They shut it down. Like it was too incendiary to discuss. We're trying to bring it here to America because we can still talk about things like that. As far as I know, we're still allowed to talk about that stuff. But this is part of the problem, Greg, is that like you can't, you can see them trying to shut down the discussion of immigration, trying to shut down any expression of outrage over the fact that this wasn't immigrant. The UK more and more has decided that to silence the objections is the way to solve these problems as opposed to addressing these problems in the first place. That's exactly right. And again, it's been happening for years now. And I think it possibly peaked in 2021 only until recently when we've had these tragic events. So they'll continue to argue that it's social media or that it's the far right. And recall, over the last few years when they'd always kind of create a boogeyman of far right. 90% of the open cases in the police services or just like in the FBI in the US, 90% are Islamist terrorism. And yet leaders like Biden and Kirstarmer are running around saying that the biggest threat to our democracy is right wing, far right extremists. It's just, it's silly that they try to basically convince people of something that just isn't there. It's just not true. So either leave the real news off or fabricate some fake news. It's pretty outrageous. And I think that good for competition because at least the free market works. And that's why there are alternatives now. And in many respects, it's social media that has provided these alternatives. On the bright side, we are, I mean, we do have to spend a minute on this hero, this guy, My Tu Mag Tkirmin. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but this is the guy who took that paddle. It's called a hurling stick. This is a sport in Ireland and beat the hell out of the assailant and saved the life of the victim. There's no question that he would be dead if this guy hadn't stepped in. There's a report in the telegraph that he stepped in, quote, he just landed there by chance and managed to, quote, protect a lad, a woman who claims to be his either wife or just partner, was saying yesterday how proud she was of him. But I mean, this is true heroism. And then as soon as he got in, others came to help too. That is incredibly gutsy because you guys, the assailant had a knife, was clearly deranged. And this guy, Mag, did not. I mean, he had a paddle. But, you know, and the guy's got a knife and he's a deranged man. All the other citizens who are watching this and some of whom were filming it said they were keeping their kids indoors. They were staying in the store. They were scared. Of course, that's what I would do. I would never go over to, I don't think I have it in me. But that's a national hero right there. And I think that attitude is coming out more and more now on the streets of Northern Ireland, where like he stood up and these others are ready to stand up right now too, Will. Yeah. So for an American audience, I guess the closest equivalent is a lacrosse stick. Now, I would not. It looks like a cricket bat almost, right? Like a cricket bat. Yeah, but I don't. Or like an ore. Looks like an ore. Yeah. Like you'd row at canoe. He'll hide these. Megan, I think it's a field. Yeah. As that kind of, you know, big, big, the big knob at the end. It's a weapon. I have one, right? I always keep it handy in case someone tries to break into my place when I don't have a gun. Yeah, yeah. And this guy, Mag, was not kidding around with it either. He went over there and started whaling on that guy. It's very satisfying to watch. Yeah. Good. Good. In short. But the other thing Megan, I would say is that heroism, I think, is even more noble, given the stories that we have seen in recent years of the good guy getting punished in these situations. Now, I imagine American audience, their brain instantly goes to Daniel Penny. This was in summer. You know, this is a more extreme story, of course. But in that moment, we have seen examples where if you are the good guy, you are going and you're, you know, let's say that, you know, let's say that that stick got him on the temple, killed him. You know, I wouldn't be surprised in this day and age, in Western illegals, I know, if he got charged. If they get charged with manslaughter. So in order to basically put that to one side, as well as the obvious fear of going up to a lunatic with a knife and to do that is extraordinary. And you're right to actually call that out because in these sorts of grim, dark days, you need to look for those little bright sparks of humanity and heroism. I know. And look, I don't condone. I don't like riots here and I don't like riots there. And I certainly don't like seeing people's homes get burned down. But this has to be the point at which the UK authorities do something serious about their borders. Stop. Just stop. Even now, what we see is a report that the reform party is pledging to ban visas for Sudanese citizens. Okay, great. But I mean, here in our country, it would be total ban. We're not taking any, that's what Trump would do. We're done with the foreign citizens. We have enough. Isn't that where Europe is right now? Not just the UK, that's where Europe is at this point, Greg. Yeah, it's outrageous. I mean, the UK plus Europe is 25% of world GDP and yet it's 60% of global welfare spending. And a lot of that is going to both legal migrants and illegal migrants. It's really outrageous. Again, that's why you see the frustration where taxpayers are funding illegal migrants. They get hotel rooms, they get free food, they get free everything. So that's part of the formula here. There was a caller who phoned in. Was it Sky News he called in here? Was it GB? This person called in to one of the local stations and it's all over online. I want to play some of it for you guys here. Stand by, listen. What else have people got to do? They're not listening. The political class are not listening. These people who are coming over here illegally, they're rapists, terrorists. They're coming over here. It's literally like putting a wolf in a sheep field. You are giving them a target rich environment. You haven't feted them. You've done nothing. All you've done is dump them in a place where they can wreak havoc. Where they come from, guess what? There's no law. If they can do what literally whatever they like, they come over here. There's lawyers, of course, tax power funded. They get a nice cushy home, running water, Sky TV, gym memberships, bus passes. They can literally go where they want and create havoc. And when they do, the people that foster them upon us, guess what? They say, don't get upset. Don't do anything. Don't go out and cause unrest. Well, tell you what, mate, stop reaping. Then you might not have to sell it because this country is absolutely on the edge. They cannot take much more of people getting stabbed, raped, blown up. You name it, you foist bit upon us. Very well said. Man, that guy's channeling the anger of a community right now. Will, Greg, thank you both so much for joining us today. We appreciate it. 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