Trade Targets + Dynasty Mistakes - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/12

Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Wright Welcome in Tuesday makes wealth Welcome to dynasty week the fantasy footballers podcast Mike the fantasy hitman Jason Moore I'm Andy Holloway Hello Hey, how's it going? What's that? I'll say hello. Okay, it sounded like a grumpy neighbor. Hello I mean Yeah, I guess that's where you're at Welcome in it is dynasty week a special week of shows Bending towards the dynasty players out there Today's a fun one because we're going to be doing trade for and trade away candidates and these look it's specifically dynasty trade for dynasty trade away but You know that works for a redraft too because these are players that you think you make the move now you get the benefit Now and into the future. Yeah, I mean it's the outlook of NFL future so for redraft that still matters. This is whether or not we think the value is Peaking has peaked or is you know, there's more to come from this player, right? I mean, that's that's that's all we're Is it sneaking sneaking or peeking? It's one of them Yep, that's hey, that's today's show We are gonna do a little something fun for dynasty week. We're gonna give away a Signed jersey this week assigned James Cook jersey. I don't know rank check Where do you have James five James cook at five? I think I have him at six Hold on Yeah, I'm Mike six. Yeah, I've got him at six as well So James Cook has been a dominator in fantasy. We got a signed James Cook jersey We're gonna give away anybody that has the udk plus or the ultimate footland membership So basically access to the dynasty pass are automatically entered to win We'll give it away after this week you can learn more at ultimate draft kit com for that Quick question of the day to get us started chase writes in from x um, I don't think it's jamar chase or chase brown, but What's the most common mistake you see dynasty managers make that? Consistently cost them value over time I will jump in and this one it I'm laughing at what I'm laughing at what has been added to your no in our dock. So In dynasty, oh, especially in the off season Or the the extended by week There's not a lot of action going on you wait if you get your rookie dress So people like to trade and you know what? It's very fun the the sending of the I like it sending the offer An offer going through each thing you do You get a little dopamine flows throughout the body. It's fun. It feels good and yet Over trading I In the can it be done in the yes, it can oh, yeah, I am in I have seen The over traders get themselves all sudden they're you're like, whoa You made like four awesome moves right there But because they're over traders they can't stop they can't walk away from the table They continue to trade and then they're back to their team just stinks it's It's an unfortunate balance of trading. It's super fun But if you do it too much you're You you will overdo it and you'll just end up with nothing that you'll have nothing It takes it takes a real old man to look in the mirror and say maybe I'm doing a little too much trading here Because you can't you cannot win every trade Now wouldn't they have the argument that if you win 60 of the trades That you should trade a thousand times as opposed to Maybe you know five times, but I will say that I mean we've been in a lot of leagues The people that trade like crazy that are all like every trade that goes through is this person when you got one of them in the league Historically, it does not work out great for that person. I think in dynasty specifically It is more of a risk because generally what gets trades across the finish line is draft capital And so if you are trading so frequently that you're just throwing in an extra piece here an extra piece there To get the trades across the finish line you find yourself depleted later on in future seasons I think that's a good one for me the mistake I see people making in dynasty leagues is Always playing for the future always worrying about the youth the long-term outlook never Realizing I'm in a championship window. I need to put myself over the top I need to have a veteran like you've got to not just Care so much that it's a dynasty league that you don't get to ever win a championship Like you have to know when to go in and and do that that's not necessarily about you know What's costing you value over time? But in the end the only thing that matters is did do you win a championship? Right like that's that's it. How many championships have you won in your dynasty league? That's the question that matters the most three Oh So then we have the same amount of championships in early got it two of the last three one jamir gives away from champ champ champ Hmm that made me sad. I'm so happy that it made me sad. Yeah, that's a great Can I I was thinking about this driving in it kind of ties into what you're saying here on the winning now versus winning later? And I have a I have a concept a theory of thought for dynasty leagues that I want to run by you and whether you think it's stupid or not I think running backs are more important to winning a championship And wide receivers are more important to being competitive long-term. I think that's fair to say And I do think that ties into that question there where sometimes you're going to make what might be a Antithetical dynasty decision on a trade or a draft pick a rookie pick Because you need to play for today And so I I think that's the way it goes in dynasty. I think the running backs shorter window But big impact especially when you think about the fact that the majority of your league is going to be focused on The longevity of the wide receiver position. Yeah, so something to think about my my mistake That I wanted to bring up was just blindly following the consensus In rookie drafts versus your own opinions. Yes Don't follow our opinions over your own opinions, right? This show is not about blindly following what we say It's we're supposed to give you our perspectives, which we disagree with each other Then you make your own decision. I mean you can go back to rookie draft after rookie draft after rookie draft Everyone drafts them in a certain order and then you can look back with regret I just pulled a random year because I just wanted to see what it was like 2022 This was a year where breeze hall went number one Drake London went number two then kin Walker then trailing berks went number four home You had chris olave garrick wilson george pickens the next three off the board sky more Couple picks ahead of james cook in this draft, right? um, so, you know, you you kind of hit some of those i'm sure we would You know put a la vie up ahead of trailing berks and everyone else ahead of trailing berks But I think it's okay like one of the questions that scotton brought up a lot this year is like Oh, wait, i'm when do I have permission to draft jidarian price? Right. That's the one I see them. Do I have permission to take jidarian price? over mcchi limit at five permission like You got permission to take two. I think that's fine. I genuinely do I think you can take the player you need to take that you have conviction about that you believe in and just You will have to absorb the arrows The eyeballs from your league that just say you're an idiot If you passed on trailing berks for james cook, you would have been an idiot. Yes, right at the time The the dynasty world as a whole it there's a lot more room for stupidity as a perception But the reality is much different. We have so many years of trades that you look at in the moment and you're like Oh my gosh, how do you do that? And it was it was better for the opposite person so I don't know what that means. This is kind of it kind of seems like there's a parallel there to the way that the good stock traders Treat the market versus the well, they just buy like You know, they're not singular stocks. Can you do that? Sure? That's a good point. I will trade james cook for your Cincinnati wide receivers. Yeah, that'd be nice to be able to take an entire collection But no the idea that you just have a little bit of discipline and strength in the midst of a negative environment, yeah, because you believe in something so Plenty of other mistakes to make don't worry about it is really fun. You you brought up that draft from our league in 2022 It's really fun to go back and look at rookie drafts Najee Harris number one Jamar chase number two. Yeah, that's the consensus by the way from 2021 Yeah, I mean I I'm just pulling up drafts and it's just it's literally a good time Go to your league right now Go to your draft history and look at a couple rookie drafts from because once you're three years past You know the results. Yes, and you get to see all the stupid things we do 2024 redraft 2024 you got marve number one neighbors to adunze three Brock Bowers for Jane Daniels eight Yep, so yeah, there's um, it happens which by the way, you can do this every year with the NFL draft And it's insanely wrong. So Um, just be willing to kind of go against the grain if you have conviction about a player for whatever reason I really like jadarian price this year, and I'm totally fine taking him ahead of mcchilemon based on team need things like that um, would you do 102 though like you're so you're saying above tate and tyson Would I yeah Probably not okay. I actually I would probably take tate no matter what ahead of him But if I was a team that really needed a running back, I'm fine if you want to take You know if you want to take him over tyson. I think I'm okay with that So again the the feeling that you get coming from jason right there Is the feeling you're getting your league the little I can't say anything guys. It doesn't help that the I'll just jason and I like our our scouting of the prospect jadarian price was not like I loved that guy Like if if we if I saw jonathan taylor on the film And he goes at 32 to the seahawks You're like, yeah, no problem take him over the superstar wide receivers because that guy is going to be a superstar It's just it's very with the production profile And just what it it's very difficult to see Price for me like really going on that path to super stardom and you'll see in a year from now Yeah, and you'll be like oh remember that conversation I Was so wrong and I didn't win a championship this year in any of my leagues. I'm mike In a year from now. That's what you'll say. Oh, that's what that was my impression of you in a year That's uh, I hope jason. I we've got to get him out of here. I'm praying Al has informed me we have a drop for dynasty. Yeah, we do. I never hit it rules Welcome to dynasty week And I Yeah, hi, I imagine that while we talked through those mistakes that dynasty players made Nobody felt welcome to that point to dynasty week and I apologize for that that drop was necessary to welcome you in Now you feel welcome. Yeah, we did get a little bit of news the jet sign breeze hall to a three year 45 speaking of dynasty Checking in with jason Manager for dino senior. Jay. How are you feeling? I'm feeling super sucky. This is the first time ever First time ever where my running back signs an extension and I'm disappointed. Yeah, you know, it's like for dynasty That is the value we talk about all the time. It's not Even age at the running bag. It's like the contracts So long as he's got 29 guaranteed and it's it's wonderful 45 million dollars highest paid running backs on average salary seguan CMC barice. I mean, I'm I'm super happy for the man who said he cried when he Signed it, you know, he's gone through a lot with the ACL tear and here he is signing because he knew he was trading Yeah, he's success for money. Yeah, he said he was they were happy tears, but we know buddies. We know you're like, ah, man acceptance it's the Hey me me and garret We're gonna be just making it rain, but we will never win a super bowl I brought up The stinky teams they've done some stuff to the offensive line here that I'm encouraged about in new york for brisaw He's managed to be productive for fantasy in spite of His surroundings. I mean, I know Jason believes club next to future mvp. They have so many talented skill position players now that If you if you bring a quarterback in here, they should be able to move the ball We got to get dante more there. So all my dante more cards are still okay the same color Okay, the charger. Is that an orgin dante more is close enough? Okay, the chargers are signing david nejoku to a one-year deal worth up to eight million dollars They also signed charlie kohler to a three-year deal and for agency. Oh, kohler's the blocker Yes, but takes up a spot and No, joker. It's it's weird how to do this because the initial My initial reaction is well, there we go. This dude's a stud Sorry gadsden and the gadsden truthers. That was a nice month we had last year That was my initial thought and then and then you're just waiting more of like Fan and succeeded on the same field with nejoku. Well and fanny was better I think fanny was better Nejoku had to wait until may to get a one-year deal I He's at the tail end. It's just it there's If you're on team gadsden, I wouldn't abandon all hope yet There's there's a chance that then nejoku is about to be washed nejoku turns 30 any minute now And he's he's not washed. I don't I don't think he is washed like his physique, but he's play certainly Impacts gadsden on a redraft level like I had gadsden as one of my Number one tight end targets later in the draft I mean he would have been a breakout for us guaranteed in the udk without nejoku getting signed But now it's like who is the Higher targeted tight end on this team nejoku or gadsden in 2026 I actually have gadsden with more targets than nejoku. I just think it's a It's a ceiling wrecker For gadsden. Yeah, and they have other weapons there. They're gonna run the ball more successfully this year I was already going out on a limb that gadsden would be able to like the thing about nejoku coming in is he is an like He is a good tight end with a ton of experience Gadsden is a young tight end with not a lot of experience And I feel like the way this team the little things are gonna matter And I feel like nejoku is going to do those things on a weekend and week out basis I think that was part of why naji got brought in last year It was the exact same type of signing now naji went down with a major injury But I think that's what you would have seen through the year is a little bit more trust on the veterans Because they do the little things even when we want to see the young guy flourish And that's my concern about gadsden and also the other part of that equation with the chargers is for the wide receivers they are Clearly the chargers are loading up here and we're going to see you know a lot of like the later end of miami where it's a lot of tight ends on the field Because they have great wide receivers Or it Yeah, they're pretty good. I will call them pretty good, but very interesting players uh and Well more than likely you're only going to see two of them on the field for a More snaps than the average of the nfl. So it's how do you Us figuring out who those two guys are going to be over the course of training camp I mean automatic about the wide out to the tight ends of the no the wide outs and it's like yeah Well, it's going to be huge and it's going to be lad Probably but I don't know that I don't know that that's a definite answer. Well, what's the other name? Well trey harris. Yeah, I mean that doesn't You're not taking lad off the field for trey harris very often But if you're talking two outside wide receivers, maybe they come in and they like harris On the outside better and then and brendan thompson will be worked in as the their speedster Be quote whatever the guy who looks like tibia kill. He's just 20 pounds lighter lighter than tibia kill. So it's not and then the keenin will show up Right, I mean right after training camp Joanne Jennings one year deal with the vikings Worth up to 13 million dollars Took him a while to sign Um eight million in base salary Added, you know, this is this is good for whoever plays quarterback in minnesota. There you go Um I don't really I mean it doesn't change my opinion of jefferson. It doesn't really change my opinion of adison They've had kj. I was born there before have you know make significant contributions when both those guys are there To me, this is their you know, they brought adam feeling back for a small amount of time It's a good third receiver to add to this team And considering that hawkinson for a minute hawkinson anymore, correct Like hawkinson used to represent a ton of volume in the offense. I think he does not anymore so uh, you know, I I don't know if jennings like this signing kind of means very little to me as as dumb as that is I think it's great for minnesota. Yeah, I agree. Yeah And uh speaking of jj mccarthy. I guess we're reporting that tom pallas sarah mikes favorite guy kj or jj mccarthy and kyler mary will compete for the starting job this summer Holloway is reporting kyler will then win that job Yeah, because the team wants to win games. It is the most likely thing but How hilarious how hilarious would it be? I mean, i can't imagine the hilarity of it. I am well because it's also better for minnesota If jj mccarthy truly wins the job it is and they're like Something clicked he's he's the guy we thought he was going to be when we took him in the first round And then you have your future as opposed to kyler where it's your team your minnesota will be better with kyler They'll probably make the playoffs, but can they win with him? I don't know Which isn't a super bowl if I told you they're changing quarterbacks after week five What order is the best? Oh For who for who's for fantasy the order would um sure For fantasy starting mccarthy and then putting murray and I think is better for fantasy. I would agree with that I also think that's better for the vikings as a franchise Because if if kyler starts week one that means that mccarthy did not Win the job right? And if he doesn't win the job just out the gates, you know, it's not going to go well It is a it's a wild one because like like you said it'd be hilarious and mccarthy won, but then he's got to go win games Yep, which he did not look like he knew how to do very much last year Now that kyler is free of the cardinals I do expect a super bowl. Yeah, I mean this is we I think you were out on the show that we Yes, you was we debated kyler a lot because we did a bunch of ranked check stuff and I have kyler fairly low Like I think he's good for the team But I don't think he's going to produce like old kyler at all I think he's going to be more of a manager that has some success and I just for me I was trying to point out to jason how long we've watched a bad kyler We've watched a pretty bad player for quite a while I don't know what side where he ended up in your rankings He I think you I even pretty close to his adp Which is I would have to pull that up now Talking to me while my arms are why you closing your rankings Why are you closing you got tabs man? I got I got use tabs. I got things to do over here, man What are you watching Netflix? Keep your rankings up. I gotta catch up. I gotta check on them. You guys are always like Hey, have you seen how far this show is? I'm like I haven't started to the yet Also another I have another hot tip is you say stuff while you're looking and you don't even tell people you're looking You just go like yeah, I'll tell you what I like about that kyler murray By the way, you remember that one game where you threw that hail mary booboo booboo and then you got him I got him at 15 Jason has him at like 10. I got him at like 20 So yeah, that's about right for kyler 10 20 20. Yeah, no one knows really what's gonna happen. We're gonna take a break And then we're gonna talk some trades Let's talk trades One trade for candidate for dynasty managers one trade away candidate for dynasty managers from each of us Right before we recorded this show we had spent some concerted time attempting To come together and find some consensus sleepers breakouts busts and values for the udk as we do every year We did get you know get some names out there guys that we agree on completely But I think for maybe I think the first time in a while like we had some pretty Pretty drastically different opinions like it wasn't like hey, I'm high on this guy and I'm neutral It was like I'm high on him and I'm super low on him. Mm-hmm. Um, so It'll be interesting because I think some of the names that we bring up today. We have differing opinions Uh, who wants to go first on the trade for candidate? I'll kick it off because we kind of mentioned him earlier this episode already um The trade for candidate that I like I think he is not Valued in this moment where he should be valued is herald fannin jr tight end for the cleveland browns who was Absolutely awesome last year Harold fannin jr. He was this collegiate athlete that He didn't play at the biggest program had a lot of production didn't blow you away on film but had so Much work in the passing game broke so many tackles it just kind of it always worked for him And you know, I said last year I'm gonna I'm gonna bet on it working because I just really believed in him Then he comes to the NFL. He's playing behind david a joku And he is awesome. He's way better than david a joku. He was statistically Better than tyler warren better than Loveland like his rookie season was awesome. He was the tight end five last year with shidore sanders And in this moment, I think that people are not very high on him um Because you just had the browns spend, you know two top 40 picks on wide receivers So you're like, oh no now he's now he's losing out all that but But the wide receivers aren't really competing with fannin I don't believe for you know for the targets in the same area of the field Not to the degree that david a joku was You know, you losing the joku and gaining rookie wide receivers to me allows fannin to lead this team in targets He might not but he certainly has a path where he could Um, I expect fannin to be very very involved. I expect him to lead this team in targets And where he's going in drafts. I mean you think about when you have a young stud tight end They are so valuable in dynasty. You can't pry a brock bowers From the cold dead hands of the manager who has them. That's impossible Right now loveland and warren rigamortis. That's why yeah, that's yeah, that is that is why Um, it has nothing to do with fannin You know warren and loveland you just there's there's no way you're getting these guys in a dynasty league But fannin's available if you just look at like startup adp You're looking at like obviously, you know brock in the first and and mcbryden the second Warren in the third late fifth is like where fannin is going right now And I think you can I think you can get ahold of him. I think people are willing to to trade him away And he is so young this I mean he's so young that he had the most how young is he? It's he hit me the same way My point was I was throwing this stat out mama so To give you an example of how young he is he had the most receptions ever for a tight end before turning 22 He is a baby boy He's going to be good for a long time. Is the quarterback situation great? No. Did they just bring in two wide receivers? Yes, but these are the reasons why you can acquire fannin if fannin is just that dude And they figure out a quarterback. Maybe not this year. Maybe next year, but you're gonna have Six plus years of fannin being very relevant for fantasy Uh, yeah, I feel like maybe we I don't think we hold the quarterback situation to so much Screwtony when it's the tight ends. I feel like You look at concepts shelling in boston and you want to see them have a breakout year Maybe that's not in the cards because you don't believe in shidewater, but like last year in a year where fannin had success It was a lot of dylan gabriel, right and you had some joe flacco mixed in and then you had shidewater sanders the pro bowler and No, man, you know jerry judy was still out there Soaking up targets and he's still on this team. So Um, and the joku was there. So yeah, I I I think fannin I think the most compelling thing is just How much room there is for him to to grow and how much time you'll probably get In productivity for a dynasty roster. Yeah, whenever you've got someone that young who is productive In college who comes to the nfl and at that age is that productive in the nfl. He's good Just bet on the talent the the longevity of the browns and what the situation is around him That's going to change but he is super talented. Um Would you rather have lovelin and warren? I I think I would rather have lovelin and warren. Yes, but I like you can't really trade for those guys And I think that fannin could be completely at the end of the year I think he's more I'm with you that you can acquire fannin much easier. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess I was even thinking like if you I think at the end of the year it is not impossible Would you trade warren? Sure, like warren to get fannin and a first next year. Right. I would do that. Yeah. Yeah, okay Mike, do you want to tell us who you're trading for or are we going? I we're going all three trade for you Tell me what's the rules who's hosting this show? I'm gonna go with my trade away. Oh, are you? All right. Well, I don't want it to just be like the end of the show is just Disguised stinks. I like it. All right my trade away He doesn't stink, but we're playing dynasty football or dynasty fantasy football. I'm going with dj more New wide receiver for the buffalo bills as my trade away candidate. He's 29 He's entering year nine. This is such a good call, Mike and Key like here since when is it worth trading away? Like a veteran star that went to Buffalo To acquire something better Exactly that's it's shout out to marie cooper. You got me everything. This is not the I'm dj more I will be productive on this team like he will he will give you fantasy points this year. It's just about His what will he actually give you versus what someone in your league is going to believe about him? He's on the Buffalo bills, you know, it's like you guys go to the bills or the chiefs and we still Automatically launch them to the moon for fantasy purposes even though You know, we've been disappointed far more than we have hit on guys like rishi rice But so in in 2024 Allen became the first top five fantasy quarterback without a top 36 scoring wide receiver You feel like well dj more can come in and do that. Sure. He could be in the top 36 But the point is josh allen gets things done Without having to hyper focus on a single target in 2025 dj more set career lows in a number of categories. We're talking receptions receiving yards yards per route run down at 1.33 and Forced missed tackles dj more the elusive very slippery Very slippery like makes things happen with the ball in his hands He forced four missed tackles like the yards after contact It has just it was not there this past year. So i'm on the side of I don't think it automatically bounces back for dj more I think that last year was more of an indication that We're we're come to the end, you know, like wide receivers is the the age He's at that age too where things can go south real real fast And it's he's 29. He's changing locations. We've looked at Uh fantasy players who have changed uh teams in year nine There is one hit Like guys it didn't work randall cob marvin jones allen robinson beckham Uh cooper cup the one hit davante adams, you don't want to know why 180 targets I'm not expecting 180 targets to come through here for dj more So if I can trade him away and get and and start getting ready for the future I would rather do that you have to then you have him expiring on my team I feel like if you have dj more you have to be trying to trade him away Imagine what happened before this bills trade you have a 29 year old wide receiver who looks like he's Done it gonna give you nothing you couldn't get any value for him the trade to buffalo is like oh my gosh Yeah, the window I got I I hit the jackpot not because you get That version of dj more but because now you can now you can actually sell him and cash in get some get some youth there because I don't think this is a I don't think he's gonna be bad On buffalo, but he's not gonna be pushing someone over the top to a championship right now I mean the one guy that succeeded in that transfer was a true alpha number one that hadn't ever left that You know being that for his franchise dj more has made the migration from the focal point of offenses to An ancillary piece of offenses and in the last handful of years being used in the backfield I don't know what like Why is he not used downfield that much? He ends up making these big downfield plays But it's not that much not like it used to be in carolina He's definitely gone to this place of like I'm a piece of the offense. I'm not the whole offense But you could make the argument that because the names in buffalo are so bad around him That you can be like he's just the one and he's not he's only added skylor bell in the fourth round So it's like he is he should be the de facto number one wide receiver, but What does that does that even get you into the top 20? I don't think it will I mean the worst-case scenario when you trade dj more is that he has a pretty good year and then stinks next year Right. Yeah, I mean that's kind of the worst case near the beginning of the end If you can get a 27 first for dj more Yeah If you can find someone to to give that up thinking they've got a superstar with josh allen I would pull the trigger my trade For canada. Okay is going to be jacksonville jaguars quarterback trevor lorenz. Oh, man The horse boy the time is now Last year, I mean sometimes you have to just Go back and read The full stat line of the previous year to reset what they accomplished jason obviously didn't do that with drake may Otherwise he wouldn't have ranked them the way he did But trevor lorenz had 4,000 yards 29 touchdowns and nine rushing touchdowns last year on this team Because look because he's a horse. He's he's out of the staples Um quarterbacks with 4,000 passing yards 29 touchdowns and nine rushing touchdowns in the same year It's only been two josh allen in 2023 and trevor lorenz last year Um, he became a true goal line runner. This team keeps acquiring additional Running back pieces that aren't quite everything chris rodriguez bay shaltutin Now they added a mere abdulla Trevor lorenz's roll around the goal line. I think they learned something last year I love liam cohen's offense and if you look at him as a passer, he still has room to take another step I think there's going to be a lot of opinions I think mike has some of them that what they accomplished last year is going to be tough to repeat I love the weapons that they have his yards per pass attempt was in line with his career average That wasn't a weird outlier his touchdown rate was 5.2 percent. That wasn't crazy slightly above league average He threw 12 interceptions. That was the fifth most in the league. He could improve that by one or two at least And 8.6 of his passes were dropped We the whole story of brian thomas jr. Was how incompetent he was it wasn't lorenz's incompetence that made brian thomas jr. Bad It was that btj literally dropped the ball that is the highest rate over the last four years in terms of percentage of passes Dropped and he put up a season the kind of season he just had they lost travis hunter through the year Which i don't know if you've seen the most recent interview with their general manager I did it's still and he came out and he said i still hear what i'm hearing He came out and said he's going to be used on offense. Yes, that was again. That's never the question It was but then he was like, oh, I think that what'll change is the uptick at cornerback Right, he wouldn't he will play an uptick at cornerback to me means a Downtick well they tried to ask him that directly and he said no it doesn't mean that at all So whether he's lying or not we'll see But we park rwash him emerged over the back half of the year britain strange was hurt for half of the year this offense with and because of the evolution of trevor lorenz and because of leon cohen's presence To me it checks tons of boxes for your dianosly league young quarterback in his prime runs the football on a good offense best play caller um and and probably being undervalued in trade circles because There are younger sexier names and trevor lorenz. We've been around the block and been annoyed for so long in dynasty You have to make the choice now in dynasty whether you believe he's leveled up and the situation is great I believe he's made that change. I think you can get him um Cheaper than you normally could get a chubby that I think is a top six dynasty cubie. I'm not as bullish as you are but i'm Like if I had to make a choice i'd say i'm more on your side of it. I I factor baker mayfields Two years ago when he was with cohen I take that as like part of the sample size for trevor lorenz of how all the sun bakers like got all these rushing touchdowns Well, all the sudden trevor lorenz has all these rushing touchdowns and they're just having You know their best year with with this guy and it was only his first year in the system The nice thing is calm didn't leave Lawrence like he left right it took till the second part of the year But it in the second half it really started coming together for for the horse boy And the jaguar so I I do find myself open to the idea that that trevor lorenz is a A decent target and man, I was looking at Guys the quarterbacks which this is an indictment of ourselves as well They're getting old For nfl years, I mean Allen is 30 lamar is going to be 30 mahomes is 30 Herbert is 28. Joe burrow is going to be 30. We've got the new breed coming along They need to they need to get it going because when I saw how many of our dudes are 30 30 is okay 30 is 30 you got four five easy good years left. You hope so, but here's what's crazy. I influenced by tom brady No, I'm not influenced by him, but like I just saw a list of the current Age of all the starting quarterbacks and it was pretty wild because you had staffer at like 38 Okay, and then it was like a gap where it's like gino and then dak as like 33 And it's there's not a lot of guys playing at 35 years old. That's what I'm saying of it It's more uncommon for you to be at in your mid 30s and still slinging giving us real good fantasy By us by the the breeze and manning and brady and those guys I don't know the hall of famers rogers and I mean it's like well, you know, alan alan's probably a hall of famer Mahomes, I mean certainly it's like is burrow and lamar. Are they on the trajectory? They're I mean lamar certainly. Yeah lamar is I don't I don't know burrow is I mean burrows at least got into a super bowl. I mean lamar has two mvp Yeah, I mean, I think I think the mars on the way I I don't know about burrow, but Burrows also played half the games. Yes, these other guys at 30. So um, no, I think laurence it's time to have the conversation and enjoy hopefully What we wanted for so many years of undeveloped trevor laurence So we'll take a break jason knew I was going to take a break. He didn't want to talk and have me cut him off So not today satan. Well, we'll turn it over to him in just a minute All right, we are in the middle of dynasty week talking about trade foreign trade away candidates for dynasty leagues And jason you are up. I have a trade away candidate of a guy. I love He is prove it. He's a 25 year old wide receiver who is good sir Who is just a top five? What are you doing? You didn't know this name was in there when I no, I did not I saw it. I thought of oh my god. How you were gonna have a problem Well, let me talk to you here, Mike You're not gonna convince him. That's fine. But the the reason that I am wanting to trade this guy away Is because I think you haven't even said him. He is He has peaked his best year of fantasy of all time and he's still young was last year and it was A my guy for me. It was george pickens just turned 25 year old george pickens. That's the point I'm not was with a capital w. Yeah, I mean look obviously You know who we want to trade away is every aging wide receiver before the The floor falls out from under them. I don't you know, those are those are a little bit easier to see coming with george pickens what I care about here is last year was Really really really inflated by the four week stretch that cd lamb miss cd lamb missed three games and really four because he played 9% of snaps in one of them in those games He was the wide receiver 16 the wide receiver 2 the wide receiver 19 the wide receiver 1 and was Just wrecking everybody those numbers Really helped him have an outrageously high fantasy finish What about when he was the wide receiver 3 4 and 17 in three weeks in a row? Well, I mean cd lamb on the field if you want if you want to look now keep going What what about the other weeks where he where everybody thought that the floor had fallen out and he was yes Yeah 39 63 bad weeks Well, the player is the player is good. The reason that I'm using him as a tradeaway candidate Is is simply because he carries so much value right now. He's going to be really good for fantasy this year and he's 25 years old, but He's probably playing for another team. I mean, maybe they sign him to a long-term deal But he's on a franchise tag right now, right? So I first of all, I don't think he repeats last year's success He lamb on those other teams. He's gonna get his CD. I'm on the other franchises. How was he for Pittsburgh? Because yeah, he was the wide receiver 5 this last year different man No, I'm just saying you don't know that it's going to be a good team that he goes to and we've seen so many examples Of the big free agent change at wide receiver not really working out when they get to another team There's a reason I love him as a cowboy There was a reason he was a my guy last year because he fits Dak perfectly and should he sign a long-term deal here Which I think people trying to trade for uh, George Pickens would really really love that'd be great But I mean it's tough. I don't know how the money works the previous three years. He's the wide receiver 36 26 41 Yes, he's young. Yes. He was the wide receiver 5. I think that is the best season. He'll ever have And I think you can get an absolute haul for him. He I think that's what it comes down to and I don't know It's just value what that translates to because I am not yeah, I'm not saying get out of George Pickens He's he's awesome. I'm saying get as much as you can For George Pickens. He's in a weird spot though. The one your deal makes him tough You're well, I'm saying you're not going to be able to take George Pickens and then get one of the You're not like you're not getting jamar. You're not getting jason Uh, yeah, you might be able to get London. There's I think there's there's a chance But that's what you're not taking George Technic millen without without adding a ton to move into the the category of the jamares That's that's almost an impossible place to get right dynasty trades. So it's you're almost certainly trading down I see I actually think you can there are the names he was just mentioning. I think you can trade George Pickens Plus a little bit into a tec McMillan You try to go to Drake London. I would much rather have those two. We were much much rather You were talking Carolina. We're we have a very strong difference of opinion of the panthers and and teteromic millen's outlook Yeah, so I mean, I would rather have tec. I would rather have london by by wide margins and I don't think the You have to pay that large of a margin to probably get a mecca. Butchers. Yeah, I think you could get a mecca for scary That would be the that's a scary trade. I would do that And and you might be able to you know an injured neighbors if you had a first You've got a young wide receiver and a first. Maybe you can maybe you could squeeze something like that out Potentially do that. And so that's where I'm saying I'm only selling him if I can really capitalize on the value because I don't think I don't think he's a Top 10 wide receiver Again ever in fantasy. Oh Okay, where do you have them ranked? for 2026 right now Don't ask me about my ranking. Um, I have him 16 wide receiver 16 mic has a 64 digit password. He has the type every time And I have to forget password. I haven't met. I haven't been 18 but George, but it's I got him at nine. See that that's the thing is Numerically, yeah, he's wide receiver 18 but like in terms of points how far he is off of that. It's not it's not a massive gap and He will give you so many spike weeks He will give you he'll have it will have time where he will disappear and cd lamb will go But they're gonna have games where george will go and cd will disappear And I think it balances out. I still prefer cd lamb But I don't know by how much I mean in the games with cd lamb He averaged 12.4 fantasy points per game, which is good. That is not great 21.2 fantasy points in those games without him What did cd lamb average with george pickens? Uh, I don't have that data in front of me. You're supposed to have all data in front of you. What did I just tell you about? I'm looking for my password when I ask you something You have to know it immediately CD lamb started very strong. Well, it took george a little bit of time, but then he got hurt. It's we don't really have I think a good enough sample of those two to know what's really gonna happen I think pickens did some things last year that lamb doesn't do well. Yes And I think I think lamb Utilization wise it's going to be very interesting. I think I think both george and cd This year assuming there's no weird offseason stuff because of the franchise that still does concern me But if it we go in easily Could both be in the top 12 Mike you get to say did you figure that number out? Uh, looks like it was 13 and a half fantasy points per game from week seven through 17 That's the easiest way I can see for cd. Yeah, I mean that that takes away his 12.5 to 13 by 4 Yeah, I mean it makes sense. It's tough because I'm not including the first two games where he averaged 15 fantasy points in those games It's just it's hard to do here on the fly. Yes. Okay. All right my trade for it's another jacksville jaguar I'm in on bay shaltu and thank you jason rickham and It's why I think he's a good trade for a candidate is because there still is the ground is Shaky and this is not a firm foundation where you're like. Yep. Everyone knows it's going to be tuned because crud is still there They brought him in A decent running back just got there. Yeah a decent running back from washington Could be the the goal line running back. We don't know but he likes chris rodriquez. Yes And they just signed a mere abdulla this morning. Oh man sneaky abdulla. He is a little sneaky. He's annoying. They really signed a mere abdulla Boy football. Yeah He has a great career. Yeah, he's played for so long He's got like when when the medical benefits and the like pinch and stuff. Oh, he's gonna be doing great. He's loaded like He outlasted david johnson Buy a lot buy a lot And it feels wild low low reps helps going into his 12th season at running back Yeah, baby. He's going in the season 12 I mean abdulla was basically the his drafting That year was the beginning of the show. Yeah Oh man Yeah, you know, that's true. So fun fact. We used to have abdulla expressed many posters. Oh man. It was it was almost great So he he did not see a ton of work, you know, you had uh talking about toon. Yes back to basalt toon You had travis h.n. jr. There as the primary guy But in terms of actual efficiency among the 55 basalt toon was fifth and rush success rate fifth and percent of yards after contact and he was tied with bris Hall for 11th enforced mistackle rate as in Yeah, it's a low volume, but he was very efficient. He was very good with it. He was awesome inside the five So you like you can look at toon's yards per carry and so oh, it's a little bit low Seven of his carries were inside the five and five of those turned into touchdowns Maybe that's a little scary for regression of he was too successful But I think combining everything that we have seen basalt toon do it's This looks like this is a solid running back But he was drafted in the fourth round And so just how good he was and then the competition crud aka chris rodriguez When you if you're talking receptions Three seasons the nfl. He has six receptions talking about crud like there. I don't think we have to that that would be lakwint allen as the pass Keshia, I mean, I think what I saw on the field last year that I like the most was toon's receiving That's what I actually like my biggest concern is speaking from somebody not making him a trade for a candidate my biggest concern is that He's not really going to be able to handle Being the dude and that this team sure and the addition of abdulla even solidifies like hey, we're going to just do this by committee And you know 300 rushing guards as a rookie Maybe they're not going to give him that opportunity and that absolutely not saying I think that's going to happen I just don't know no you are right which is why you can possibly trade for him because if if no one thought that then basalt toon would Would be on a rocket ship for his for his fantasy for his dynasty rankings And you still have to be hesitant he hesitated even I am But the body of work what we saw with the opportunity in front of him and the players who Are behind him It seems like he will be the main guy in a very high scoring offense as we're projecting for the jaguar. So I think it's worth a shot. I'm I'm not overpaying But I'm I'm trying to get him on my team Is it my turn? It is so I have to be negative now. Yeah But you were just positive. I was yeah, and look we've actually talked about this in the studio quite a bit I don't know if you guys knew this was the name that I was bringing up on today's show. It better not be george pickens It's davante Adams, okay, that's fine. I yeah, it is time to cash out for whatever they're gonna give you jason Two of these three guys are on our dino junior team. Well, let's take the advice and try to make some moves It's too late. We've already told everyone we got we got till the episode releases in the morning. Like let's get to work The davante, I'm so out on davante adams. You are you are I think your quote off air earlier Is that guy was it's not the beginning? I was like so you think this is going to be the beginning of the end And you're like no last year was the beginning of the end this year's like the end last year you had You had the touchdown insanity Which I mean look this was the best season anybody's ever had inside the five yard line as a wide receiver I don't want to take anything away from what he was able to accomplish there 14 touchdowns is insane And he missed two games. Let's be clear. That was the season for davante adams. He had three 60 Yeah, he missed three games. He had 60 total receptions for this team in 700 and 89 yards this team seemed primed and ready to trade him away if a good offer came They're in the same boat dynasty managers are you should cash in on a davante adams 14 touchdown season Because he is 33.3 years old That is a big deal Players they decline we had we had a whole dynasty lifecycle article by by marv um Marvin eloquent on our site that talked about look the biggest decline in fantasy point production came from age 32 to 33 30 percent decline in points per game looking at demarius thomas and a j green and julio jones and random marshall And it doesn't matter the name Time catches up That's why this team was ready to make moves In other directions this off season if they needed to Because two things you don't get better with age But you do get more injured more often and adams has dealt with that as well. So you've got injury risk I would bet my life. He doesn't score 14 times again And I highly doubt that he's going to go way way higher in the total yardage Total getting a year older when historically that doesn't generally happen Um, this is the second fewest yards ever for a 14 touchdown season So a shout out to the uh, james jones 2012 season Oh, yeah 14 touchdowns with I mean you had an mvp season from your quarterback, right? That The last four do that every year the last four years of matthew stafford on the rams 3.3 percent touchdown rate 4.6 3.9 7.7. I mean we that's not it's not happening again and and we we see this we have so much data on this Great all-time quarterbacks brady manning breeze this happens to all of them They have these outlier crazy touchdown rate years and they don't keep doing it the next year. So I actually think this is A brilliant trade away. It's it's It's low hanging fruit because he's an old wide receiver But because he just got all those touchdowns. It's like you can cash in I mean you you get to make those arguments in the positive of you've got the mvp a quarterback And you're on the best offense with the best play caller and you just scored 14 times and you missed three games Like you can just say it like that. Yeah, go to someone will want to trade with you go to a contender You're obviously not going to trade davante adams to any rebuilding team. So be wise look at your league see who is Really capable of winning a championship and see what they're willing to give up for adams It would it would take a full rewatch because so I can't speak to the film. I'm just numbers wise He caught 53 of his targets from matthew stafford. It just seems weird Where I mean you had he had two years for his career. By the way, he's a 63 percent catch rate He had the two years in las vegas where he was just bombarded with targets He caught 56 of them in 2022 I think that was the the derrick car here and then 59 percent and that's the adenoconal year like to go Down to 53 percent something just seems off and maybe it's the decline Like maybe it's a you know a the athleticism is is slightly starting to go to the point where The cornerbacks can you know catch up? but 53 percent just it seems too low Like it's something there's it's very funky at his touch on rate is way too high But the catch percentage is too low and maybe it meets in the middle There's certainly a world where like he's he's totally fine for this year I mean that you can get by with it. Okay, he scores 10 times because they draw that stuff up for him And he has 700 yards again. They didn't you know, mcchey lemon. That was a team we thought could draft mcchey lemon They didn't do that right like they don't they don't have the next era parent, which is why he didn't get traded But I mean how long is this window? The math doesn't math, you know what I mean? It's like maybe you get by with a touchdown dependent season this year But you certainly are not going to be able to trade a 34 year old davante adams if he declines this year So to me I'd take your shot at it trade them to a contender under the promise of being able to contribute for a couple years with an MVP And um, there you go. So we have more trade targets in the dynasty pass which you can get That's part of the udk plus at ultimate draft kit dot com lowest price Possible before june 1st if you pick it up before the end of the week you'll also be entered to win that james cook sign jersey giveaway We'll be back on thursday with dynasty week part two looking at rookie sleepers dynasty mailbag and a whole lot more any of this other news that's gonna break um It should be a lot of fun dynasty week's a good time. That's why I hit that drop, you know what I mean? Yeah, you've now been welcomed in to dynasty week And it's not over so thanks for joining us today. We appreciate you. Let's go make some trades, Mike Hey, you guys got to make some quick moves before the show releases in the morning Take care everybody. Good. Bye Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast Join our fantasy football community on join the foot dot com and follow us on twitter at the ff ballers