Underutilized, Underpaid, Unfulfilled: The Real Reason Most Professionals Stay Stuck | Kam Dasani

What is up, entrepreneur DNA family? If you are someone who has a job and you feel like you're settling, you feel like you're underperforming, then I want to introduce you to my next guest. He had the very same feeling and now is an entrepreneur reaching the highest of highs in business. Cam Dasani is here. What's happening, brother? Justin, thanks for having me, man. Appreciate it. Yeah. We're in Miami. It's fun. I know you originally come from the West Coast as myself. What do you think about the whole West Coast versus Miami? Like, could you ever see yourself going back to the west coast or you think you're gone for good so i'll be honest i the bay area is always going to be home yeah but i've lived in san diego for a year uh in the past and i think san diego has it all for me okay miami's a little bit too fast for me uh and i live in dallas right now and it's like slow but there's no beach and there's no hiking and i miss that yeah so i think i'll end up in san diego okay that's fair uh I'm in a weird place in my life where, like, I love Dallas, so that actually might be a spot that has potential. Fair. But, man, there's something about the East Coast that I really enjoy. I'm in the Burbs, though. Like, I'm not in Brickle. I'm not in the fast-paced Miami that everyone thinks about because some people are like, Justin, how's Miami? I'm like, I'm in the Burbs. Like, you don't really feel it the same. I'll say this. I like East Coast personalities a lot. I do, too. And people like always talk to me. And when they meet me, they're like, oh, you must be from New York because you're aggressive and assertive in the way you talk. And I'm like, no, but I see why you would say that. And I get along with like people from New York a lot. Well, listen, I think the subject matter that we're going to talk about that you've experienced that you've gone through is so apropos is a big word to the listeners here at the Entrepreneur DNA. Many are aspiring entrepreneurs. Many do feel like they have more potential that they are settling in life. and you had that very same feeling working your 95. Tell us a little bit about that. So I think it all starts from my upbringing because I grew up in a pretty chaotic household. I'm first generation Persian American. Parents are very strict, very highly educated, had very high expectations of me. And naturally that made me want to rebel against everything they ever said, which is why I have my shirt that says not a culture fit. because it felt like every idea I had, no matter whether it was like a normal idea about life or like a strong business idea, it was always being shut down or saying, no, take the stable path, take the stable path. Long story short. So what did your parents want you to go down the path of? Just something where they knew for sure it would work. So meaning like low-end physical therapist. High-end heart surgeon. Exactly. Exactly, exactly. And it could have been like engineer, like my dad's a PhD, double E. Right, CPA, lawyer, doctor, that classical like. Something where you go to college to study for that thing and all the ROI in the world makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In reality, 90% of degrees get you nowhere. Yep. So played basketball in high school very competitively, wanted to play college, got a D3 offer to play. My dad did not let me take it. Oh, wow. So he like committed me to Cal Poly slow, which was D1, I couldn't play. I know it, yeah. well i didn't go to cal poly slow though i was number one off the wait list at uc santa cruz oh went to uc santa cruz tried to walk on they already had their team so on and so forth sure um and then i was just like going through this like tiger woods epiphany in the context of like who am i without sports i don't really really know who i am identity crisis exactly identity crisis and i'm like okay i'm competitive sales is interesting but like hard at that time to me I was like, I don't really get it. Went and sold loans out of college and realized like very sleazy industries, selling overpriced loans to small businesses or whatever, whatever. Left that, went into financial tech. And this is where things started to like make sense for me because I had a really good manager. And when you're in financial tech or fintech, you're more tapped in with like stock market and like trading and all of these things. and I know I'm kind of talking about my background right now but what was your original question? No that was because I think there's a lot of people out there that do feel like they're settling that do have some level of an identity crisis that are at a job that at one point they were excited to get and then all of a sudden they realize like this doesn't fulfill me I'm wasting my potential I'm settling right that is a very common thread specifically to the listeners here at the Entrepreneur DNA. So hearing your story, the idea is to help them resonate with you, to say, if he can do it, I can do it. What is he doing now? Maybe I would like that too. Yeah. So going through that trajectory when you went into the fintech, what then like propelled you? And by the way, how old are you now? You're in fintech now. You went to Santa Cruz? UC Santa Cruz, yeah. Graduated? Mm-hmm. Okay. Then went into loans. Mm-hmm. Two months. Like two, three months. Yeah. went into fintech yeah i'm 22 23 at this point um and i'm learning how to sell a very very niche product and i become like a top performer within four or five six months and i'm like i'm not i'm happy like i'm making like 140 at 22 and this is like 10 years ago or eight years ago i should say that's a lot for a 22 year old yeah so it like got to my head and i'm like okay i think i'm the greatest thing ever yeah so what more can i do um and that's when i'm like and shout out to my my first sales manager ever at um at veem that was a company i worked at uh steven o he taught me about crypto and options trading okay two different paths but now they've all come together in my life in a way that i could never imagine the first thing he taught me was hey investing is about catching trends and if you're going to catch trends most people are going to tell you that you're wrong okay that is what a trend is i said okay tell me what you mean he's like you think all these companies like uber doordash airbnb like people think those founders are stupid or thought they were stupid someone's gonna live in your house on the weekend someone's gonna pick you up in their car and it's not gonna say yellow taxi on it these are absurd things my tattoo says the reasonable man adapts himself to the world the unreasonable man adapts the world to himself therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man that's henry ford henry ford started ford motors we had horses before that the point of me saying all this is he told me to invest in a trend which was crypto more specifically bitcoin and ethereum he said everyone's gonna laugh at you for five years maybe 10 he's like i don't know what's this this is 2017 2018 great guy yeah Great guy. My dad shouted at me to sell. Yeah. I did not. You held. I held. That is a very hard trade. Most people, and I'm not a big, um, I have crypto and I hold, I don't trade it at all. I'm not very big in stock. I have like blue chip stock, but it is very easy for people to take the chips off the table. And I probably even, even I would probably as an investor, I've literally been an investor my entire adult life more in the real estate space but even i would say when you're up you know 400 take some of these chips off the table right like the good can only good be good for so long however crypto to me is that anomaly right uh because i mean even i don't even know where it's at today but like bitcoin being above a hundred thousand i was buying bitcoin at 1800 when people thought like i was crazy and i'm like i don't know my buddy told me to do this thing so I just did it and, you know, and I sold off along the way. In retrospect, I had, I don't know, 200 coins, right? I mean, it would have been a lot. And so I say all that. It's like, good for you. And the reality is, guys, like, and girls that are listening, like, you're not going to catch every trend. Like, I missed the NVIDIA train. If I put $10,000 in NVIDIA 10 years ago, I would have $3 million. Sure. Approximately, give or take. So I missed that, right? But I didn't miss the Bitcoin and Ethereum trains. And that's when I started to realize, okay, I can, my goal was to find experts that could teach me the best strategy that they knew when it came to investing. So now if I look at my team, which I'm going to fast forward a little bit, you know, I work with a futures trader that literally built an algorithm for Goldman Sachs. He's an ex-rocket scientist, one of the smartest people that I know. and we decided to go into business together because he taught me how to trade futures. I have another trader that taught me how to trade options at a very high level and I have crypto as well. So I have these sectors and these people around me that make me appear very, very, very smart. But in reality, they're the geniuses and I'm the brand and we come together to bring this opportunity to the world because people need to learn that there is a way to strategically invest your money that doesn't involve just putting your money in the S&P and your 401k and hoping by 65, like it's going to matter. Realistically, even at 65, yeah, you'll make 200, 300 grand and it'll be gone in two years. Yeah. So the reality is everything is more expensive. Inflation is kicking our ass. The only reason, and most people invest in the wrong order, meaning like they're working a job, they're making 150K and they're putting their money in an index fund. And I'm like, you're not rich enough for that to matter. 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So, and what I would like you to maybe advise, where would that person make 150 K? What's your suggestion? What are you looking at? How are you targeting it Right Because you know I not a big proponent of people saving their way to wealth or riches Now using vehicles to get there is totally different in my opinion right So like putting your money in Bitcoin and just letting it sit for the next 30 years it's inevitable in my opinion. There's only one direction that ultimately goes, right? I come from the real estate space. Obviously, over years, people have always said, put money into real estate. Over time, it appreciates, you know, they pay off the loan, you have all this equity. It's just not nearly as passive. Like if I buy Bitcoin, it is passive as it gets. I don't do anything. It just sits there. Real estate is not passive, right? Even having an IRA, a real retirement account, to some extent, I'm not for it. The other side, I am for it. Because if you understand how to be an investor, you can lend that money out and get a huge return on it. And it is tax free, right? But you have to be able to lend it. You can't invest it. There's the difference, right? So coming from your seat, where would you tell the person? 150 listen living in miami living in the bay area living in certain markets making 150 200 grand a year you will not be able to pay your bills respectfully like it is just insanely expensive to live in these areas for someone that has 150 000 salary 200 000 salary what would you advise is a good investment strategy you need to focus on active income before passive income okay look at everything you just said. The world rewards you for doing things actively that most people are going to ignore and try to focus on how can I be as passive as possible because I'm lazy, right? So if you have 150K salary, 200K salary, you know, most people that I know with those salaries don't have that much saved because they're putting everything in like an index fund or a 401k. So in their checking account, maybe they have like 20 grand, 30 grand, something like that. And life is expensive in these areas. What I would advise, and once again, I'm not a, you know, Series 65 financial advisor. We have that on the way. Like we're getting those licenses because, um, there's a galley behind giving any advice. I totally get it. Yeah. Right. So just protect it and get licensed. Yeah, that's it. But, um, all I'm, all I'm going to say is this active income first, trading first. So the first trading strategy that I learned to set me, a little bit more free from corporate is swing trading options. This is very, very specific. It's not day trading because reality is if you're an engineer or if you're in IT or just work in corporate in general, maybe you're in office, maybe you work remote, doesn't matter. You have a lot going on. So you can't watch a chart while you're in a meeting. It's like too much. So swing trading means you're buying on one day and selling maybe six weeks later. So instead of just buying tesla shares for example you're actually making a more specific prediction you're saying hey i think tesla is going to go to this price by this date and if i'm right i win and if you're wrong you lose and if you're wrong you lose whatever you put up yeah or if you monitor it more strategically like we teach you then you can only lose like 10 of what you put up our losses are typically because you have a stop loss somewhere that stops you from we yeah and i don't want to get too technical because because even to me you'd be able to blow my mind like i'm not a technical trader in the sense but i'm aware of certain things so maybe even define like how would someone what would you teach that person to even lose only 10 percent instead of losing the entire 100 what they invested what did they have to do to minimize that downside risk because i'm at a place in my career my whole philosophy is i want to help people minimize your downside there's a lot of people that can teach you how to make money and get rich I mean, even yourself. But if I can show you, here's better strategic ways to protect your downside, because there's always a storm. Shit always happens, right? I mean, look what happened to crypto recently. Like, it wasn't totally predicted what was going to happen. Everyone thought maybe there was going to be a correction, but like, you're well aware of how fast it happens. So how do you protect yourself from stuff like that? So there's two types of trades that we do. One of them is called full conviction swings, which means we have full conviction that if we set our, and I don't want to get super technical for people that don't understand, but with every options trade, there is an expiration date, which means the trade is done on this date. if we set the date for June of next year, and right now it's December of 2025, even if there's a bunch of stuff going on in the market and stuff is fluctuating down, up, down, up, down, up, if we have full conviction because of information that we have, public information that we've studied, technical analysis that we've done, then we'll just wait till June. Usually we don't have to wait till the expiration date. But how you minimize downside is by understanding why you're making certain predictions. because then when things go down 10, 20%, you don't panic sell like the rest of the market. I even have clients today that they come in and they're like three days in and we're in a trade and it's 10% down and they freak out and they call, Kim, I'm losing money. I'm like, is the trade over? Wayne, you only lost money if you sell. My point, right? So people need to understand that. Like if you buy Tesla stock, $10,000 worth of it, and it's down, you didn't lose money unless you sell the stock. Agreed. in the same as in any sector same thing in real estate so you were old enough but weren't in the game of real estate in 2008 right so you understand what happened the financial market whatever home prices were slashed by like in some markets 50 60 75 it was crazy today they're up beyond where they would have been if the trajectory would have stayed the same today so if they would have just held those properties, had the fortitude. Some people didn't have the financial means to be able to hold it. They were done, right? Okay. But real quick, that's the issue, right? We're investing with too much money into things that are too risky. You think they're safe because the rest of the world is doing it, but the rest of the world is broke. Well, and if you have a cost. So the reason why, and I don't know anything about stocks and stuff like that, so you can educate me, But the reason why I like a Bitcoin or an Ethereum, like if I invest what I can put in there and let sit and ride, I like that investment strategy. The active income, which is more what you're talking about, then yes, there are vehicles that can be more risky. But being able to have a coach, you said something that's really important. You lean into finding people who know more than you and following what they do and how they do it so that you can just replicate it and maybe have your own tweak to it. But there's always someone out there smarter, doing more, doing better, always in every sector. And you've now understood that. Let me ask you this. What is your – because when I asked you earlier off camera, I said, hey, what type of real estate do you do? And you said you do it all. But I know you started with something and mastered it. Yeah, residential, single family. Okay. So see how specific that is, right? the difference between me and most internet traders or people on the internet talking about trading is that the influencer is the master of the thing that they're fulfilling. And the reality is you only have so much time in the day. So for example, I don't know TJR personally, I don't have anything against him. So don't scream at me if you like him or whatever. But like, if he's the influencer building the brand and he's trading, do you think he's going to beat my ex-Goldman trader who is literally only trading and no one knows who he is potentially? Probably not because that's the point of a team. Right. Right. So I build people around me so I can focus on what I'm good at, getting the knowledge out there. So then when people come in, the fulfillment is just locked in. Yeah. Well, that's building a real team, right? And so, and I don't know who TJR is personally. He's out here. Okay. Yeah. So I say that because, you know, when going back to your idea of like settling, not being fulfilled with what you were doing, underperforming, having people understand that there's a world that you don't have to go into an office. There's a world that you can create your own life. That is the bigger vision of what you're kind of talking about is for you that led into trading. It was fun. It was in the, you know, your mind could wrap around it, right? It was exciting. That is a very opportunistic way to look at life these days. And if someone's out there listening to you, I would ask them to get in touch with you. And by the way, share your Instagram while I say that. What's your Instagram? Yeah, Profit With Cam. So Profit With K-A-M. And the reason being is because if you can understand that you can work from home, you can make a lot of money. I have a buddy right now that day trades. I don't know exactly what he does. I think it's options. He's like, dude, I spend 30 minutes from 6 to 6.30 in the morning, and I'm done all day. He's scalping options, yeah. Okay. And I'm like, I don't even understand what you're talking about. That sounds awesome. Yeah. And he's like, dude, I take some risks, but for the most part, they're not very risky, and I'm making 30, 40 grand a month. And that's his side hustle. I'd like to meet him. Yeah. And he's like, you know, but he's like, sometimes I take some risks. Yeah. but it's just like and he learned from someone else right just like anyone who's ever been a part of something big or did something big they learned from someone else first very rarely they go out and try to be a trendsetter and create something that's never been there they are there right the greats are those people the Elon Musks of the world created a trend that Steve Jobs created there are creators but they are so few and far between it is a whole lot easier to follow the path of those individuals than it is to go blaze a trail because, first of all, the ridicule is insane. I mean, how many people hate Elon Musk? Yep. A lot of people, right? How many people, I don't know if hated is the right word, but like Steve Jobs was thought to be crazy, right? Because he had this reality distortion field that he was going through, right? So anyways, go back to kind of what you do and how you're doing it because I think it's important for people to know, you know, following KM Online, just to even ask them, like, what is this thing? Is this something that anyone can do? How much time do you need to put into it? How much time does someone, in a general sense, need to put into something that you do? Yeah, so I'll tell you how I did it while working a very high-demanding tech sales job. I mean, I was in office. So you're doing it part-time? In the beginning, yeah. So this is totally part-time, doable. They don't have to quit their job, go all in, burn the boats, all that shit. You don't even need to understand the technicals behind what we do. You just need to understand fundamentally what we're doing. And the difference is, do you need to understand how these candlesticks are moving and like what the trends are saying? We can teach you high level and you can know and we'll teach you slowly. But realistically, you just need to understand why we're making certain predictions so you can have confidence following our lead. How I started part-time, very demanding tech sales job, was in office before COVID, by the way, five days a week. There's no remote work. And me and my manager are going into like different meeting rooms and booking meeting rooms for like 30 minutes at a time looking at different trends and trying to capitalize on them We now make that legwork very simple Um or that we do the legwork to make the process very simple for an everyday person working a demanding nine to five Here what it is Once again, first of all, the right trading strategy. This is not something that we invented. It's something that we've copied, meaning we're not day trading, so you don't need to worry about being in a meeting for two hours and losing money. What we're doing is swing trading, so you can get into a trade, let's say before you start your workday, don't worry about it for a few weeks, and then when we tell you to take profit, you can choose to take profit. Or we're taking profit at certain levels, which means, hey, it's at 50% return. Feel free to take some profits. It's at 100% return. Double your money now. We should probably take all our risk off the table. That's a great return for sitting and doing nothing after 45 seconds on Robinhood. Because when you just said your friend, too, I spent 30 minutes. That's true. Why is it true? Because there's only four buttons to click to execute a trade. The hard part is picking the right trades. And he has a coach. And that's what the point is. The coaching with Cam allows Cam to be the expert. And you say, OK, I'm trusting the expert to do what he does. And just so we're clear, all experts aren't perfect. There's no 100% track record. No. Right. It just doesn't happen. No. But at the end of the day, being able to have someone to say, hey, after all my expertise and having my business partners and all these people that do this all day, every day for decades. Yeah. These are good moves to be making. Our track record, and I have a video where I actually scroll through every trade since April 15th when the market reset this year, and we have like an 83% success rate. That is incredibly high. It's very high. Well, why? Because my traders only trade. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's not like I'm like, you know, I have a team. But the point is, let's say my track record was only 50% win. people might think, oh, only 50%. Hedge funds are doing 60%, 70%, 80% some years. So as long as you cut your losses in the right way, meaning you're not letting all your trades go to zero, you're cutting at 10% loss, and your wins are 50% to 100%, then you're still winning. It doesn't matter how many you win. So just people need to understand what risk really means. And this is the hard truth of it. if you don't have, if you don't consistently increase your tolerance for risk as you get older, you're not going to survive or be able to compete with the people that are because you're going to end up owning a house that you can't afford, driving cars that you can't afford to impress people you don't care about, and then living in consumer debt. And I've seen it over and over again so talk to the people who might need coaching on risk tolerance yeah so what is your baseline and i i can tell this story i don't i don't always tell this on camera but like i've been robbed for two hundred thousand dollars at gunpoint so what's that not ideal not ideal so my risk tolerance is high because it's like if it doesn't kill me and i have a 60 like chance in my head, like a little more than half, that it could work, I'm going to do it. I'll give you an example. I'm on a podcast tour right now. I don't know if it's going to work. I'm like 60% sure it's going to work. People might listen. People might care. People might do their due diligence. If you do your due diligence and look into me, you'll see, right? But in regards to risk tolerance, you need to set a baseline and be honest with yourself about have you even taken risks in your life or not. And then you need to start increasing that slowly in things that have nothing to do with business or trading. Take that off the table for a second. When you see a pretty girl in a supermarket, do you do anything about it or do you do nothing and then go think about it all night? When you think that a guy has a nice car and you kind of want to network with him, but you don't want to be weird and you're scared, do you compliment him on his car? That's why he bought it. He's either there to show off or because he likes to drive over the speed limit or because he's using it to network the same way we use watches, right? The definition of risk to some people is definitely different. I think most people think, because you bring up a great point about risk being outside your comfort zone. Like going up to that guy, going up to that girl, sometimes that's just a comfort zone, but it is a risk because you feel like you're going to be rejected, right? It's not the risk of financial. is the risk of like bruising your ego, bruising your pride, right? Are you willing to run the risk of someone telling you no? That's the risk, right? But the point you are making is really good because risk isn't always just a financial risk. Is what is your tolerance to break outside of your comfort zone is how I say it. And for those listening that might have family and kids, the financial comfort zone becomes more difficult, right? So when I was your age, making some assumptions your age and your young 30s, I was a total fuck boy. I was the guy at the club three nights a week, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. At 30? Yeah. Good for you. Having a great time spending money like exactly who you think it is. Yeah. So I had plenty of risk tolerance because I always just felt like I could go make it more. sitting in the seat I am now 44 with two children wife house car like the whole thing my risk tolerance is still I still have the ability I mean I'm an investor so by nature I'm built this way it's just not true for everyone so I think the reason why I'm kind of re-echoing what you're saying is even the minimal risks to go and grow is the only way to do it right if you want the pretty girl, the only way to get the pretty girl is say hi. If you want to understand how you got the watch or the car or the thing, go and introduce yourself. If you want to make more money to some extent, either increase your skill level so another corporation can hire you at a higher pay rate, or you are going to have to take some level of risk. Here's what I think you're saying with your undertone, which is it can be done slowly. Cam is not suggesting go throw your hundred thousand dollar IRA into one options. Yeah. One options trade, right? That is not the suggestion. It is start to learn from cam over time. Do you feel comfortable to I'm making up the number 50 bucks, a hundred bucks to start a hundred to 200 to 200 to 300. Like there's a way to do this over time. What I, I'll let you go in a second, but I find this all the time, interviewing individuals, everyone, everyone is overestimated what they can do in a year. no one is overestimated what they can do in 10. They always underestimate what they can do in 10 years. And so it is very common that people overestimate, oh, this year I'm going to go make an extra hundred grand doing this thing with Cam. Well, yeah, but if you just stayed with Cam and followed this for the next decade, like he's done, where can you actually be? So you're putting all this pressure on you and Cam as your coach to go do this financial trading and this 12 month period, which is fine, but working to be in a decade. Warren Buffett says, take a lot of risk with a little bit of money. Now that statement is going to be relative and everybody's going to have a different perspective on it because they have different budgets. But what do you consider, not even a lot of risk, what do you consider a little bit of money? Because like you said, if people even just did the simplest thing and stayed down in Bitcoin, you'd be a millionaire if you just kept adding to that instead of adding to your S&P. It's the new S&P. People need to understand that. So what I do with every client is they come in and we talk about everything in regards to their finances. Because if I know exactly where you're at, I know what a lot of risk with a little bit of money means to you. And it's not about how you feel internally. It's about genuinely like i have cloud engineers that make 400k a year that trade with me well a lot of risk with a little bit of money is going to be different for them than maybe like a registered nurse yeah and that's okay but and these are just the types of clients that i have engineers nurses um it people um like corporate finance people people that don't have a lot of time to do their side hustle can't be time uh restrictive like it they don't have a lot of time. So they have the window they have, they got to be able to do something for their side hustle that can give them some level of return. And I, I love what you do for that exact example. What I hope people are hearing is if you aren't happy with where you're at financially, if you want more and potentially even just want to break out of your job, then this type of vertical absolutely can work for you. You just have to start somewhere. And, and understand that you don't need to be married to the thing. And this was my downfall in my early years. I was like, damn, I want to find the thing that I'm going to do forever. It's not about that. Find the thing that can get you $3,000 to $5,000 a month alongside your job. Because for most people, they're not trying to quit their job and be full-time traders. Most people I work with don't want that. They just want to make $3,000 a month, $5,000 a month, seven, 10. The difference between the 3K a month trader and the 10K a month trader that works with me or the 15K a month trader is actually nothing other than budget. Meaning like they can just enter trades at a higher level because they have more. So how do we get to that budget level if you're like more on the 3K a month side? Well, start taking a lot of risk with a little bit of money. We'll decide what that is and we'll make decisions and it'll take you longer than the guy that's starting with bigger budget, but that's okay. My point is then after that, you can decide because now you have freedom. You're like, okay, well, trading I can do from anywhere in the world. Do I really need to stay here in this area that is too overpriced for no reason? Maybe not. What's my passion? What do I really want to do with my life? Well, now I have money to fund that. I can take double income from my job and trading, but now I don't really have time because I'm doing both. The reason I haven't started my business yet, quote unquote, is because I have a job that's too demanding and I can't quit. So now you can take a little bit more risk. You can quit your job because you have money from trading and it's going well. And now you can pursue what you want to pursue the same way I did. My whole thing was I wanted to find the thing that I could do part time with my job still. So it wasn't as risky to start a business. So then trading was my quote unquote business. Then I started helping people trade and that became my big business. So now I trade and teach people how to trade and eventually it's going to be hedge fund, managing capital, so on and so forth. But the only way I would ever manage capital, and I've said this before, is if I'm managing millions. Because I'm going big or going home and my traders are that good. It just is what it is We not managing 10 20K of people money because the performance fee that we would charge to manage that doesn make sense We would rather just do the consulting model that we do now and let you guys learn the skill while following our lead What is your consulting model Consulting model. So we work with people in six or 12 month terms, meaning there's no month to months because like it's too short. Yeah. Like you're going to make an impact to make an impact realistically for you to say, hey, this portfolio is growing and I know it's growing and it's not just luck. Meaning like in one month, you'll make money. Like we make you money because our trades last one to four weeks. So like we'll make you money, but like you're not going to be like, oh, was this luck or is this consistent? You need to wait. You need to give us four to six months to show you that. So we work with people for six to 12 months. You come in, we teach you how to enter options trades on Robinhood, one app on your phone, the simplest app in the world. There's only four buttons to click. You pick the stock, you pick the prediction you're making, which could be either a call or a put. Call means we're predicting the price of the stock is going to go up. Put means we're predicting it's going to go down. Example, Tesla, $300 call. Buy, expiration date is the third thing you pick, June 18th of 2026, let's say. Don't enter that trade. by the way. I'm just saying words. And then how many contracts do I want to buy? Meaning options is about contracts, which means instead of shares, you're buying contracts. How many contracts do I want to buy? How heavy do I want to bet? That's all relative to your budget. You pick those four things. Selling is even easier. How many contracts do you want to sell? The process of the four things to buy takes literally 30 to 45 seconds. You can do it with any type of demanding job on your phone. Yeah. I can sneak it in front of my boss. I used to do it all the time. Yeah. He wouldn't even notice. Right, because you're on your phone. Yeah. And then selling is easy. And we do the hard work of the market analysis so you know when to buy and sell. Right. And then we have office hours every day where you can come and ask questions and it's always after work hours. Yeah. So right now we do 8 p.m. Central. So it's on every time zone, it's after work hours. Yeah. And if you can't make those Monday through Thursday because you work night shifts or whatever, then you can schedule one-on-ones with us. Yeah. No problem. So, yeah. And you want to go teach other people to do this because if you can get enough people to do this, there's a world where you can get into fund management. Yes. I think that, I mean, this goes back to kind of what broke you out of the nine to five job, brought you into the consulting world and trading world, which will then at some point break you out of that into a much larger. the iterations of what people can become as entrepreneurs is boundless and that's a big part of the message of entrepreneur dna is to understand what cam's doing today versus where he's going to be in 10 years is like it's unfathomable really i mean it's really up to him here's the other thing with fund management right is that if you are licensed and i know i know fund managers they can only say certain things on camera and right now i'm so like invested in personal branding and being able to say whatever the F I want, for lack of better terms, that like I don't want to be monitored by the SEC because and not be able to even say Tesla $300 call. Yeah. Or NVIDIA $600 or whatever. Right. So and I know fund managers that they make content, but they're like, oh, we can't say certain tickers or we can't because they're managing these funds actively for clients and whatever regulation doesn't allow them to say those things. What do you do when you make a lot of money? What do you do with your own money? Do you always reinvest into it or do you put some way what's your like financial strategy person i'm talking about you personally so you make whatever the number is a lot for you let's just say it's 500 or a million dollars a year whatever that number is what are you doing where are you investing your money beyond just more active income with trading yeah um i keep a certain percentage for the same swing trades that i'm talking about today yeah then i um i have a lot in crypto different coins so uh bitcoin is obviously huge for me um always buying dips i'm dollar cost averaging like that's the s&p because the s&p isn't is not the s&p anymore like it doesn't it's not it's not as powerful and bitcoin is so predictable it's the only asset where the cycle is predictable like we've seen it over and over the same thing happening so like if you're not in bitcoin even putting 500 a month in it then you genuinely don't care about your future sorry like it's just just my belief do you think bitcoin has a much higher upside over the next yeah and then in what time frame i can't tell you predicted like number yeah or anything like that year it's gonna be x it's just once again that's what my manager said just wait five to ten years again yeah i waited eight years yeah it was worth it i made half a million i mean some people thought bitcoin so i heard predictions of $100,000 per Bitcoin a while ago. And I think it was at like 36 or 46 or something. I'm like, $100,000, I suppose. Like I get the reasoning behind it. And it got there relatively quick. It was not that long. And so there's no reason because there is a finite amount of them that it can't hit a million dollars of Bitcoin. But then here's how I think about this. Not all the meme coins. But let's even say in Ethereum, Solano, could you reach more in a 10x multiple? On those? Yeah. Even if Bitcoin hit a million, you're really talking about a 10x multiple, which is massive. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. But I do, not knowing anything, by the way. Sure, sure, sure. So this is very naive of me. But I look at a Solana or Ethereum and say, could Ethereum hit $30,000? or 50,000 or 60,000, like I believe there's a chance for that. If Bitcoin can get to a million and that's just a 10X multiple, couldn't Ethereum get to a 20X multiple? In theory, yes. You know what XRP is? I do. Okay. So I think XRP has more potential in terms of like multiple, but I had a run in crypto in 2020 and then also from 2023 to late 2024 off of very specific altcoins, okay, that are much lower market cap than anything that we've talked about today. So it's almost like, I know this sounds crazy, but like the equivalent of like penny stocks, but for crypto. Sure. Why did I invest in those? Because those are my gambles. And they hit. And they hit. Yeah. So this cycle, though, I'm not seeing as much with the altcoin market because there's too many platforms that were made by crypto guys where anybody can go and make an altcoin really easily. And now that market is very, very saturated and it's just harder to find what you're looking for. Well, there was back in what COVID days, all the meme coins and all that stuff was just like, I couldn't even understand it, right? The names of them all, they had no utility. It was literally like an influencer would say, I'm going to go make this, everyone join the train, it's going to go spike and then we're all going to sell and be rich. That's what I felt like it was doing. Yeah. And here's the thing people need to understand about investing, though, right, is that a lot of people doubt themselves because they think investing is like it requires you to be a sophisticated person. You think the angel investors in the Silicon Valley are that smart? It's like, no, they're just connected and they evaluate five or six companies a year and they bet. Like, my friend puts 15 grand a year in different seed round tech companies that are just getting their start. Chances are he's going to lose it all. But if one of them hits, he's going to win. And that's his gambling money. He makes $1.2 million a year working at Okta. And that's his gamble money. So, once again, risk tolerance. Swing trades. Bitcoin is my safe investment because it's a predictable cycle people think it's risky it's risky if you need your money fast and it's volatile I don't need my money fast so that's my safe investment and then my gamble money I'm not looking at altcoins this cycle I haven't really figured out what my gamble is yet and that's okay and there's different cycles and different seasons and different chapters and I'm sure something will hit your radar relatively soon and you're like this could be the good gamble yeah if somebody comes to my desk with like a tech uh a technology platform or something something cool in the software world i'd be open to it for sure um but yeah yeah everyone uh i would need you to go follow cam uh instagram is profit with cam k-a-m so profit with k-a-m and then i have a special um gift for your listeners i've never released this live sure um i want to give everybody here a 14-day trial to the discord and i never do free trials you have other videos where i literally say like i don't do free trials and here's why the reason why i don't do free trials is because most people that want a free trial aren't serious to begin with that's right and i think we've all seen this so you sure you want to do it i am here's why i'm structuring it in a certain way so you come in we do an onboarding call and you get 14 days to follow our trades Within one day, you'll be set up on Robinhood and you'll be able to enter our trades. I believe that in two weeks, you will see two things. I can't guarantee that you're going to make money in exactly two weeks because I don't know when the trades are going to end based on when you join. That's just impossible for me to predict. But I do know that you will see two things. You will see, one, how organized we are and how much our clients are happy with us. two you will be able to scroll through the past and see the wins and losses yeah so it'll be worth it so i'm letting you in so you can see that it's legit because we're in such a trust recession as they call it yeah and i want you to come in and really do your due diligence at no risk to you yeah um so we'll do an onboarding call we'll teach you the basics you'll come to office you can come to office hours four days a week for the first two weeks and learn learn a bunch and if if you feel like you figured it out after that and you want to go on your own and you don't want to invest in yourself and work with us, that's totally fine. That's the risk that I'm willing to take. So we'll put the Discord link in the description. And once you join, I'll have to approve you manually. Once I approve you manually, I'll reach out to you. We'll schedule your onboarding call. That is Cam Bassani. I'm Justin Colby. 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