David Grusch: UFO Disclosure Could Move in “60–90 Days”

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I don't think he's only talking about those UFO files. The files might be coming in days or maybe weeks, but what Grush seemed to hint at felt bigger than paperwork. So what's he pointing towards? And could this be where the UEP conversation moves from rumour and hearings into something much more official? Hi everyone and welcome back to That UFO Podcast. As always, my name is Andy and joining me for what's turned into a bit of a breaking news podcast with a major new David Grush interview dropping, President Obama walking back comments, Kash Patel saying we have files ready to be delivered, pastors being told to prepare for the coming disclosure of aliens and our alien overlords taking over, and a whole lot more. That's not even the weirdest stuff. I've got Dan Cleary joining me once again, host of Others from Another Mother. Dan, welcome back, mate. Thanks, Andy. Good to be back. I had such a good time last time. I'm happy to be here again. Yeah, you didn't get a whole lot of hate, so that was good. That was positive. Just a little bit. Just a little hate. Everyone needs a little bit of hate. It's humbling. I gave that open there and saying that's not even the weirdest stuff, and it's really not. It's been a kind of strange week in the world of UFOs again, and even we plan to record this. famously I plan not too far in advance like yesterday and overnight we've got a new David Grush interview and I think that's a really good place to start because there's a lot here that for me I think is going to be kind of interconnected and I don't know how you feel about a lot of the kind of news items that are kind of floating around at the minute there's a lot there's a lot of new stuff I mean since since we talked last time I think we brought up the the demon talk on our last chat and that kind of exploded recently and then there's a lot in this grush interview that i kind of uh watched this morning but let's get into grush indeed so um david grush dropped uh an interview on a lesser known channel it's on judicial watch now this is not a ufo channel folks it's a conservative leaning u.s legal watchdog platform quite niche aimed at an audience that's already interested in government secrecy, foyer battles, corruption, institutional accountability. And that makes David Grush appearing on here significant because it reframes the UEP story away from maybe a lot of the more sensational side of things that people like us would probably dive into or a Rogan or a Sean Ryan or an American Alchemy, you know, any of those bigger platforms. So away from that kind of niche media and into government oversight, transparency and public records. and I think Grush has clearly gone on here because it's not a huge platform. It's not something that gets hundreds or millions, hundreds of thousands or millions of views like some platforms David Grush could pick and choose to go on to. But I think he will have appreciated the way the questions were asked, the angles, the host. His name is Chris Farrell and he's the Director of Investigations and Research, former US Army military intelligence officer, similar to Grush, a background in counterespionage and human intelligence. So he's not just speaking to a UFO audience here. He's speaking to probably a pretty unique group of folks that would watch this type of content. Government watchdog audience primed around secrecy, records, intelligence, and institutional accountability. So really interesting to see this pop up. As it stands, the actual interview on YouTube, when I watched it, only had around 12,000 or 15,000 views, which is really low for Grush. but I think because people are watching the clips on socials, they're not seeking out a well-known channel to find it. But fair play, I can see why Grush has used this angle of attack given some of the things discussed. So I've made kind of comprehensive notes on it. Let's kind of talk through these, Dan, and as we go, we'll kind of pick some points to talk about. So Chris Farrell, the host, says from his point of view at the beginning, the UFO topic is always in and out the news cycle, but the last six to eight months he feels something seems ready to break that's that's pretty cool coming from someone who's it's not me sensationalizing this it's not you it's not pavel you know it's not jesse michaels it's this is someone who's not a ufo guy who's sitting there going that looks like there might be something actually worth discussing here um and i i really appreciated that um yeah what what's your thoughts on him being on this sort of platform Yeah, I think people like us usually talk about this stuff with a little bit of wishful thinking. So I think we get excited about the idea of something happening and we maybe sound more confident than we really should be. But Grush picking this one, it does feel strategic because it seems like he's also talking to kind of a, it's not just a podcast. It's kind of more of a peer where they have that shorthand of what means what. it was definitely a different interview than he's had with Jesse Michaels like you said it's a much different conversation but it was cool to watch there's a lot of nuggets in there they were speaking each other's language literally at times because they would speak about things they weren't actually saying but they would speak about it you know oh so yeah when they might say this oh yeah because I know what you're getting at and so they know the intelligence landscape how that works so I think there was a level of trust from Grush and you could see sometimes he'd be asked a question that I would never even think to ask him because I don't know that background and you could see him smiling and nodding like aha, aha, yep so that was really interesting but what I did appreciate as well the host, I'm going to stop calling him the host Chris Farrell, Chris or Chris Farrell was really good quite often at stopping David Grush and saying can you just explain that either a little bit more simply or can you give it a framing or a context again because we can all nod along sometimes to these interviews and people use really big words and really complicated sentences and language and you're like hmm and in your head you're going i don't get what that word quite means but i think i know or or you're frantically googling what this dispose the depose means just double checking in terms of witnesses do you ever watch uap gerb's videos yeah okay so already they're three hours three and a half hours long but with the pausing and googling it usually takes me about 19 to 23 hours to get through a gerb video but if you can if you can stick through it there's a lot of rich stuff in there and this interview is kind of the same it's like a heavy netflix series you know people listen to to podcasts on two times speed like you put gerbs on like 0.25 just to get the acronyms right exactly in the list to go i'm going to go away and research these first and it's just the opening um so yeah really really good interview i would stress folks to go watch like an hour and 15 minutes but here's some of the highlights for you um so what have we got um grush said from a young age he had trust at the highest levels in his role so from his early 20s it made me feel so old when grush was like i'm 40 next year and i was like shit i've just turned 40 and that guy looks so much better than I do. But he was saying from a young age in his roles, he had trust at the very highest levels, setting out how credentialed he is to be doing what he's doing and that's why it's so important. The host clears up that Grush's background and experience is crucial not because necessarily of what he got exposed to across specific programs individually, but that he knows how to navigate between all of those programs and how things would link up and how the landscape across different programs to the average person or the average officer might not make sense, but he could put two and two together to make five. And that's what he had to do. And Grush, that was the one where he was like, yep, yep. And he even jokes later in the episode about the government using his autism to their advantage because of how he thinks and how he deals with stuff. But then he joked like, well, it actually backfired on them because it's turned into what it's turned into. Yeah, basically, that was really, really cool. Which is something, by the way, something that we've noticed from the beginning, since Grush started speaking publicly, just how much his retention of information, it's completely mind-blowing. It's almost like savantism or something. Autism, of course, is very present, but it is kind of his secret weapon. Yeah, to speak so clearly and so well. And I suppose you mentioned UEP Gerb, similar type thing where I can just, I can't do that. I'm not that guy. So really, really interesting. And it's good that Grush uses that to his benefit. And it makes me think in the past. Oh, sorry. There was a... Grush talked about the security mafia, how it would treat people and egos expecting to be briefed on things at really high levels. And their egos would get bruised because they would be told, you don't need to know. Really high-ranking officials, generals, thinking I want in on this and folks coming along going that you don't get to read this folder and that would really really upset some people and it makes me think in the past because he obviously talked about the his work with the Congress Congress the UP caucus and the work he's done in the background and he mentioned folks in the past politically trying to pursue this have found it very difficult it's almost like grushing away is a little bit of a key and it made me think of, remember the Matrix movie where you had the guy who would have the key to all the back doorways around the Matrix in the back? Is Drush just the key? That type of person was always missing from folks over the years and decades who wanted to do something, tried to do something even going back to the Clintons when they tried to investigate this and ask questions about it in various administrations but Drush is the key to literally help you find your way through the maze to help you get into the backdoor access to go no we need this and you want to look over here what you do is you go over to here that's going to allow you to go not from a to b but you're going to go via d l and q before we get to b and maybe he's just unlocking this for these people maybe i'm giving grush too much credit i don't know but what do you think i don't think so no i think you have it pretty spot on and it makes me think i would like to see grush do you do you guys have escape rooms over there where people go to escape rooms yeah yeah yeah i bet he would get out of any room in about two or three minutes you know what i mean oh i thought yeah but i think you're right i think he is just this unicorn that we've kind of all been waiting for for a long time and not like he's like the ufo messiah but really um i don't think we would be anywhere near where we are now if it wasn't for him and his skills and his attention to detail and retention but i think you're right just knowing knowing how everything interconnects um having it pretty mapped out and knowing that there is like a a puzzle to all of it that he seems to have figured out over the course of a few years do you watch lord of the rings um i i've watched the first few movies i'm not like I'm not very well versed. So I think you're like me, but there's like this popular internet theory where people who watch Lord of the Rings, many of which I'm sure listen to and watch this, will scream at me for getting this wrong. But why didn't Frodo and his mates just jump on the back of this bird or dragon at the beginning and fly the ring to Mordor and drop it in the big volcano thing and that would have been it? Why go through all that hassle? And maybe Grush is that magical being that they can jump on the back of and you don't need three movies anymore and all these books, you just literally ease the cheat code to the end. I hope so, because again, it's going to tie into potentially a lot of things we're going to discuss here. Grush said that Project Blue Book, Project Sign, Project Grudge were programs used to cover up what the government was actually doing regards UFOs. I don't think that's totally unsurprising for people to hear. Chris plainly asks him, the federal government themselves or in the form of some other body has recovered alien vehicles and there are biologics or entities associated with that. And the work that Grush has done has identified that and within the government that they're trying to hide it. He's trying to as plainly as he can basically say so have the US government got alien craft and alien bodies? And Grush says yes. But as he does, he's very, very, yep, that is exactly what I am saying. He does go in to say he's not quite sure if it's extraterrestrial. he didn't have the full access to those technical findings so he would leave that open as it could be something else but he has talked to the highest of high level sources on this again i think that's always an interesting caveat grush makes where he's not saying it's not et but again i don't know whether that's down to is that because one he says like i've not seen myself exactly where they come from again there's all a lot of talk that officials like kirkpatrick goff and others have used that language to obfuscate and say, yeah, we've got no evidence of extraterrestrials. Well, unless you can literally find out where they're coming from, I've got no evidence that Dan Cleary is a Canadian, an American, a Mexican, because I've never seen you go back to your country of origin and your birth certificate. So we can't do that with these beings, but we're almost certain they're coming from outer space. Maybe that's how they're getting around that. Is that how you see that, or would you address that any other way? I think you're right. I mean, even goes to Dylan Borland in Congress, in Congress, Congress describing in order to have something be extraterrestrial, you have to like go to the home planet, prove that the tech came from there, you know, that kind of thing. It does seem like just semantics, but Grush is kind of, he's just kind of laying it out right there that that is exactly what we're talking about. And I appreciate that he won't say ET because if he doesn't know, he does seem like the kind of guy that If he doesn't know for sure, he's not going to say it. And he's very, very deliberate with his words. And the truth is, I think we really don't know exactly where they're coming from. So it makes sense to me to keep it kind of broad. But you mentioned Arrow again. We've seen time and time again where journalists have asked for clarification and calling them out on the ET thing and saying, okay well can you can you say that we are dealing with non-human tech non-human intelligence and they refuse to even accept that as a term so it is a very deliberate um like a lazy loophole yeah and i don't doubt they're just lying sometimes because i don't think even if you got the terminology correct i don't think they would say i'm not answering that dan i think they would just say no that's not correct there's no proof of that but they're not gonna say you got me yeah exactly yeah and some folks try to use that online as gotchas um either way um grush is very quick to confirm that this is not one event but multiple it's quite funny chris farrell says so i'm all right in saying that you know we've got more than one of these but less than a hundred a hundred was a high number which i was i was intrigued to see if grush would even say like you know it's about there but he says no no that's fair that's less than a hundred but yeah definitely more than one um he talks about immaculate constellation and i want to make sure i'm right with this but it sounded to me like because i saw a lot of folks online say he's confirmed immaculate constellation was real and existed i'm not saying he's ever doubted that but he does say that just because there was no dod programs by that name doesn't mean it wasn't and i think he says like a white house program or something so again he was just clarifying that that these things can exist but just because this you know just because the left hand says no we have nothing in our hand doesn't mean the right hand doesn't have something um so he's kind of cleaning that up but i saw a lot of folks jump on that online as david crush confirms matthew brown immaculate constellation which i believe is legitimate and that's certainly that came across to me yeah no i agree um i think uh i've even heard of some parts of government that we don't ever talk about in this topic that have their own ufo programs which is bizarre i think there's more i think there's more parts of government that have uh interest in this and have um intel on this than we realize so uh i wouldn't be surprised if if uh if these things are all over the place in tucked away in dark little corners well not asking to burn sources here okay but you know you've got like your Department of Energy is always one. You've got the, the, the air force. Let's say the Navy's got something where else potentially would have for your, in your mind. I don't want to say that, but there's one that really shocked me, but I don't, I, I just don't want to mention it, but, um, a surprising one that just has the department of garden supplies. Yeah. You've heard about it. You've heard about it. Yeah. You've heard about it. Um, yeah, I think it'll come out at some point. I hope, I hope, but, uh, a couple of surprising places where there are kind of UAP programs. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl. That's shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. So Grush says the public need a formal disclosure plan, not a dump like the JFK files. And he's very quick to say, you know, no harm to the caucus and what's being done there and attempted. And he says, regardless what the president says about his belief in the subject. And let's not forget, folks, I know folks, there's a lot of folks who'll say, why would you believe anything Trump says? He's lied about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. but then you've got other folks who are like Trump's the guy, Trump's going to do it. Trump has always been quite open to say, I don't particularly believe in a lot of this. But the pilots, the military folks, they're pretty credible, they've seen something. So he's always weighed in on, I'm not a big fan, but maybe there's something to it. Grush says the president is knowledgeable on this subject. So he's quite remiss to not say the president's lying about his interest in it or knowledge, but perhaps there's reasons for that and I would imagine someone like Trump would see something pretty incredible like this and go hmm, do you know what? That's what I feel like it is. It's my understanding that he is briefed pretty well but doesn't have the full briefing but even still I think he's been given a lot of information but he's still just kind of like like some people just aren't interested like i have a a cousin my cousin is a police officer in massachusetts and he's a incredibly smart super interesting fun guy is interested in science and and um he's brilliant and we've talked about this stuff and he's just like yeah maybe i just i don't care um like you don't even find it even remotely interesting you know not really it's just if it's science like why wouldn't they be here like okay i could i got other stuff i'm interested in i think trump might be one of those kind of guys um or he might kind of believe it but um he seems like someone who he cares very much about how he's perceived obviously and maybe there is a worry that he would god forbid come across looking crazy if he were to talk about uh ufos or it might be something that he's kind of just guarded about it but it just he's made so many points about the fact that he doesn't he's not really interested other people are i've talked to these pilots and i know you guys referring to the public you guys are into this kind of weird stuff but not me um he does make a very a lot of points about it yeah there's a little bit of self-preservation for me yep like you see the crazy looking thing people could use it against him politically there's not that he's not got a lot of ammunition there anyway there's a little bit of ignorance is bliss i can imagine him being a kind of guy saying you know being shown a picture of a body or a craft and going okay that's that's fine like sure that's enough yeah um he's also in his 70s you know and people of that age are grew up in a time where ufos were nothing but sci-fi and a joke and if you were into it like if you if you're you know in the 40s 50s 60s 70s and you're a kid into ufos like you're probably seen as weird um or you're not super smart so he that might be something just ingrained in people of that of that age yeah um and again what we're going to talk about still now and more going forward that's again trump's involved in much of it and grush says he thinks regarding the timeline on this. Part of it could be to do with midterms that he believes the administration see the MAGA crowd and Republican voters. There's a lot of interest there, potentially. We know the Turning Point USA rally a few weeks ago. I wasn't there myself, folks, before you turn off or turn on. Couldn't get in. You were trying to get there. You just couldn't get in. I flew over. I was standing outside. But Trump made the point, didn't he, to that audience. And I'm guessing it skewered younger the way he spoke, but he was like, I know a lot of you folks are really into this UFO stuff. And so he sees as an audience and an appetite for it. A lot of folks listening to this, politically either like or hate Trump or are indifferent, but potentially could be swayed because of this topic. So he says there's another part of it where folks in the White House are running around trying to get these files. I think he's talking about the caucus and he mentions people in the White House like Vice President J.D. Vance talking about demons, but he calls that theologically premature and he thinks we shouldn't just jump to labelling these as demons because of our own bias our own religious backgrounds but when we talk about the pastors coming forward pretty soon which will tie into that that may also tie in but that's all pretty interesting stuff he also mentioned there are two people in the White House really high level he can't name who are working on this for the president he does get asked by Chris Farrell who they are and he's like, I can't tell you who they are. I would love to know. Thoughts on that before I ask you about the Arrow stuff? No, no real thoughts on that. Yeah, nothing to add. Sorry. So, no, no, that's absolutely fine. Grush says he offered Arrow one year ago because he met with them twice to question hostile witnesses under oath, but they never got back to him on that offer, which is interesting. You know, he said, I'll come in, I'll speak to them, I'll do the questioning. I know the background. I know what I'm talking about. We can get the answers from them. And Arrow were like, nah. So for me, what Grush is getting at there is I'll come in and ask them the right questions, whereas Arrow are going to ask the questions to which they know they'll get the answers they want to get. And it could probably leave a lot of things off the table. Dan, you could be desperate to give me and divulge all this really interesting, incredible UFO stuff you know, or you've been privy to. And I'm going, yeah, I don't want to know about that. So, you know, this kind of month you had off sick here between, you know, working on the saucers and working on the bodies. What happened there? What were you doing that month you were off sick? And you're like, well, I just had a chest infection. Yeah, okay, yeah. So not reliable really, is he? And it's like, do you not want to know about the bodies I was working on? The alien? No, no, not just now. No. And I think he's getting at Arrow being lazy or flagrant with our questioning, which I don't think anyone would be surprised about. I think we've heard multiple people talk about going to Arrow for interviews about what they know. And there's not a whole lot of questions. They'll sit down and whoever's doing the intake will just be like, what do you want to talk about? What do you want to tell us? And they'll just kind of say their thing. And often there won't be much follow-up. And they'll just be like, all right, thank you. No note-taking. No recording into a device. just like just meeting for coffee where only one person talks and then you know someone leaves um yeah so i think it very very very abundantly clear that arrow is not what we hoped it would be not what we were told it was going to be But it sounds just more of the same that Grush is kind of confirming I mean, offering to do the hard work for them and they're just like, no, we're good. The interview is really good, but I think the best stuff comes in perhaps the kind of last 15 minutes here. Some big kind of key takeaways. is Grush talks about this idea of folks going to a site. And this is something Eric Burleson has been doing, visiting sites alleged to house craft and whatnot. And he makes the point that it doesn't work. What you need is a multi-site search and seize, which makes sense because I think a lot of folks have had this issue of, you know, Dan, I'm going to come to your house and look for books. Now, I know right now you've got books behind you on your shelf. And I say, yep, so I'm going to be there on the 18th of May. at 12 o'clock and I'm going to come looking for books and I want you to show me all the books you have. You better not have any books though because you know what happens. So between now and 18th of May, you're hiding or getting rid of those books. Yes. Or to Grush's point, I turn up and you know there's one particular room in your home which has the books. You just don't show me that room. And that's what he said. It's so easy to do. You don't even have to move this stuff. You just say, I'm not going to show that guy that corridor that day. Yep. Can we move this stuff into here? Yes. And what you need is more of a, I mean, in my head, I've got proper SWAT team material, you know, turning up unannounced 6am, dawn raid, bang, bang on the doors, breaking in. But that just seems so far away from actually happening, doesn't it? That does seem far away. And I've had some, I've been talking about that for a while of that possibility. And I think that super sci-fi idea is that let's say, you know, seal team six or whoever the equivalent would be shows up just for the sake of argument at area 51 or dug way or whatever. And they come in with a full army of people looking for the goods. And so what happens? They get in this elevator that goes down, you know, a hundred floors to open up into some room. Obviously when these army guys or whoever get in this elevator, people know they're coming. they're going to open the elevators to basically what they call like a kill box where if they really don't want you to see it they probably have weapons down there that can just turn those guys into spaghetti sauce and then take this tech and if we know how to fly it just take it up in the atmosphere or you know there's there's all kinds of ways i don't think we're going to see stuff like that um i always feel like there's hidden floors or hidden you know drop floors or hidden stuff yeah and also we're talking about some invisibility tech where you could be in a hangar that's empty but really there's you know two tr3bs but you just can't see them right now yeah um and i i interviewed jeremy corbell and his director uh michael lazoski about their new film sleeping dog the other day and we we brought this up because burleson has visited a site i believe uh tulsi gabbard has visited a site and i brought up this exact conversation about like i just don't anticipate them ever being shown anything um because obviously stuff will be moved and jeremy kind of reassured me and he said he goes he goes in some cases that's right but you have to understand that there are people that like they're going in with informed information where they're kind of being told um if it were to be moved this is where it would be moved to so make sure you go like literally down this hallway as well because that's the plan um so some of these people are armed with information of how that stuff will be hidden so it's not just like they're going in willy-nilly some of it of course i mean just these are huge huge facilities that are their secret, their secret bases. So of course, you're not going to be able to just like go walk around. Actually, didn't they say that when Burleson went to Pax River, he wasn't guided, he was just like... Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at Shopify.nl. That's Shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. Yeah, I'll walk around. Yeah. Either that's calling your bluff or that's like, you know, we know there's nothing he's going to find. So do what you want. Or the third option is they don't care if you find something. Right. I just don't think you're going to go to any places where you walk into a craft and a hangar, which seems very unlikely. But again, that's something that Jeremy said. He goes, it really might happen, just so you know, it might happen. And he believes that if Burleson does find that, he is confident that he will let the world know what he found. So the biggest takeaways then are saved, like I say, for the end. as part of that he mentions of the 46 videos that are going to be released he's seen some of them and he says well they're interesting essentially they're not mind-blowing and he doesn't feel it's getting at what he's getting at and what the public should see or know or what's going to help a government bring forward disclosure because the videos being released aren't going to do that and I don't think that's anything that myself I expected. I've said a few times, if a couple, even three of these videos can be interesting, just interesting, I'll be happy. I'm expecting a lot of ones that are, okay, this thing zigzags, kind of disappears over the horizon. It's a bit of a black blob against a white background or vice versa. But just a few things that we can go, that looks a bit different, that looks interesting and isn't debunked within a few minutes only, that I'd be happy. Yeah, and for me, I'm the kind of guy where even if they're shitty, I want to see everything. I want to see everything. If it's, you know, even the, you know, I don't care. I don't care how grainy it is. I don't care how far away it is. I don't care what it is. I want to see it. But I think you're right. If there's two or three in that group that makes you kind of stop and, hmm, that's interesting. That's good. And it'll keep things moving. But we're definitely not getting, I don't think we're getting the stuff that we hope for and the stuff that we all know exists, which is completely clear, unambiguous proof of, you know, non-human intelligent craft doing crazy things in our atmosphere. Yeah, there's no 4K videos on this drop, basically. I don't think so. No. he tells Congress that they should start using subpoena power against hostile witnesses and he mentions General Neil McCasland who is still missing as of the 6th of May as being one of these witnesses what was your take on that? and he says obviously it's concerning he's still missing but he does name him as a hostile witness that was interesting because we get a lot of whispers about McCasland and a lot of it just comes from his connection to the Tom DeLonge and the leak. That's the only reason that we really know about who he is. And you see a lot of people online talking about how he was read into these programs and he was very knowledgeable. But to have it somewhat, I feel like confirmed by Grush kind of elevates that story to me a bit and makes it more interesting. I still personally believe that I think he took his own life. That's where I'm at until I find out otherwise. um but i guess the truth is he is missing and the fact that uh grush is concerned about that definitely makes it um more fascinating and a deeper story and now i really want to know more about mccaslin's background and and the kind of stuff he was privy to yeah uh definitely elevates that story so the big one is very much saved for the last couple of minutes and grush says he He doesn't want to be kind of prophesying what's going to happen and whatnot. I think he's remiss to put dates on things. But he does say he believes that we will have some serious movement on this disclosure process in the next 60 to 90 days. So May, June, June, July, July, August. So by August time, he reckons we're going to be down the road in some way, shape or form. Now, there are people who hate that kind of stuff, Dan. Jake Barber, Skywatcher, poof, gone, disappeared into thin air. They put a timeline on stuff. I asked Barber about it back at Sol in October, and he said, yep, he did say that, and he still stuck to it. And he said at the time that while it wasn't the end of the year, the full 365 days from his claim was round about February, March. So we're still way past that now, and he's been so quiet to even negate anything like that. But yeah, Grush is putting a date on here, 60 to 90 days. Where does that land is in terms of the US political landscape? Is that past your midterms and stuff as well? No, the midterms in the States are in November. So if this is kind of cranking by August, it does line up with campaigns and ways to make it work for you. I don't know how much this would be like a campaign issue, but I guess if the angle is transparency, you could use it that way. But I think you're like me where when people start throwing dates around, I get very squirrely and it's kind of like, oh, please don't, just let it be its thing. But I think I had realized that having it come from Grush, it lands a little bit differently for me where I kind of take it a little bit more. I mean, he is informed. He still works in government. He is a staffer for Burleson who is taking kind of the full lead on this topic at the moment. So I think he clearly is informed of the topic itself and probably is assisting with the rollout. Things in this world move very fast and politics in the States moves fast. I mean, there's multiple wars going on. so anything can happen in the next three months that can move that further down the road or make it happen quicker. I don't know, but I'm intrigued with him giving a date. Him saying it makes it a little bit more strong. Yeah. He's putting a percentage of his credibility on the table, though, with that. Regardless of, like, quite right, you say wars can happen, don't we know it, fuel crisis, Iran escalates, Iran de-escalates, and something else pops up. Yeah. But if nothing comes within that 60 to 90 days and David Grush has to come forward and say, you know, there was something in motion, but something happened in the background, there will be a chunk of people who go, oh, you're just like the rest of them. You called a date. It didn't happen. More BS. And yeah, so he's putting himself out there. I appreciate that. Barber done the same. And I think a lot of us were like, cool, good stuff, a year. Yep, that sounds reasonable. But then went all quiet. It's a different situation with Grush. not for good or for bad but he is an individual working in the background he is about as informed I think as anyone could be on this now given his close proximity to Congress to the caucus let's be honest a lot of what Luna Burleson Burchett and Co are saying is from what they've been told by Grush and people like him I think they're also talking to people that we don't know who they are like unknown people to us also Stephen Greer unfortunately yes yeah yeah yeah um so yeah that was that was the grush interview um there is some more stuff related to that we'll follow up on but overall thoughts uh very much worth watching i know that we we live in a clip society and that's that's by design but it's worth sitting down for an hour and 14 minutes and watching these two guys talk um they both seem very comfortable and those are the best kind of conversations and like you said i think they they're kind of peers and they have that shorthand so it was a different it wasn't you know a quick seven minute fox news interview um and it wasn't a three-hour jesse michaels thing it's a nice one hour here you go that's kind of why his his interview with tucker carlson was one of my favorite ones that he's done because it's just two guys sitting for an hour but it's definitely worth watching for sure what was interesting he actually mentioned during the interview my good friend tucker carlson i can't say tucker's name it's too difficult um he did great he's great proud of you i saw so difficult tucker carlson but i i just wondered how many folks that would upset that grush's friends with carlson and you know a lot of what he thinks seems to be from that grush camp doesn't it um sure but yeah he kind of he kind of goes over it quick but um although tucker is a big demons guy he's a he's he's very much on the demons tip yeah a lot of folks say he's on the the demons tip yeah um but yeah interesting interesting dude who's who's well connected um but yeah on that talk show hosts and presidents um two that haven't fallen out like carlson and trump uh obama former president barack obama was a guest on stephen colbert's late show and essentially he was poked about his comments that um he made and that this is what kind of kick-started off this whole let's just call it a disclosure trip like you say right from from back in from back in february when obama made those comments on the podcast with that so on that podcast with the guy um i can't remember the dude's name but it was so off off the beat of the conversation it just went to ufos and that made worldwide news obama says yeah aliens are real i've not seen them you know and then trump gets asked about it on the plane and this all seems so long ago with everything that happened in the world since then trump then says you know obama shouldn't have said what he said and classified information maybe i'll release the stuff and here we are okay now into may and not far off of true potential disclosure or whatever that might look like. Obama's kind of walked it back again though. He did a few days after that interview come out with a statement to say look, I wasn't saying anything I shouldn't have said. I just said, you know, in my opinion, aliens are real. It was just answering in the it was a quickfire round. It was in the spirit of the quickfire round, he said. So, Obama when asked about it by Stephen Colbert laughed it off and he said he thought people would understand what he meant. He wasn't taking his comments seriously. He said, you know, if the US government did have craft in bodies that intel would have leaked already let me read you just this little paragraph please obama takes a moment to set the record straight he said here's the thing for those of you who still think we've got little green men underground somewhere one of the things you learn as president as the government is terrible at keeping secrets he continued the idea or this idea of conspiracy theories if there were aliens or alien spaceships or anything under the control of the united states government that we knew about, seen photographs, what have you. I promise you some guy guarding the installation would have taken a selfie with one of the aliens and sent it to his girlfriend to impress her. It would leak. He does then go on to say he'd be a good emissary to represent Earth in the event of first contact. So he definitely has walked us way back and even in a time of rising political interest in the topic, a lot of major news networks and social commentary sites that have millions and millions of followers each day are commenting on this. My wife, whose news algorithm is diabolically bad, she knows nothing of what's going on. I don't know if my wife knows about the war in Iran right now. Good for her. I'm jealous. God bless her. She's got more things on her plate, I think she thinks. She doesn't listen to this, so it's fine. I can say that. But she even is getting this morning, she was one that said to me, oh Obama's made comments about UFOs and I said to her I'd just woken up and I went oh it must be from the old interview and people are just picking it up and no no here we go it was a new interview he does feel he's walking it back it's a continuation of the walk back and I find that interesting in a time where I would have thought perhaps he would have been more more open to the discussion given we seem to be on the cusp of something just look at what Grush has said the Trump situation with the files coming out soon what's your take on that it's a little odd to me i i got honestly i was uh i was very disappointed to see his interview with uh colbert recently because it was a walk back and it was uh as soon as i hear anyone say the little green men thing it always pisses me off i think we're so far past even referring to that i it bugs me to no end but um he made more he made some jokes and he kind of dismissed it again and it was it was very disappointing um i feel like when he initially made the statement on that first podcast to me it felt deliberate to me it felt like poking at at trump or this administration to kind of do something and i was really like um proud of him and excited that he did something like that where he finally spoke on it and then his next two statements on it are kind of that's not what i meant you know it would have leaked well my friend it has leaked it's been leaking for for almost a century um but i was disappointed with with how this little thing and i understand stephen colbert is a comedy uh a comedian and he's a the show is funny but i think that could have gone a little bit um better on obama's side and it was it was kind of a bum out starting a business can be overwhelming You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. 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And even though it was used as a way to cover this up, a way to hide it, give it to private contractors, get around freedom of information requests, all that kind of stuff, it's been away so long that it's no longer their kid. Maybe that's an aspect of it, and Obama, again, maybe he's just being clever with his wording, or maybe I'm looking too much into that. You might be right, but But also, I think it has obviously left government hands a lot, but the still the government is still very much in control of a lot of it. And they have their own. They definitely have their own things. It's I don't think it's all just with defense contractors. So yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. Yeah, I don't think that's unfair. And on that very quickly, Kash Patel was on a podcast as well, who is the current FBI director, always looks absolutely terrified whenever he's being interviewed. that poor guy, that poor millionaire. He has also confirmed, though, that the UFO files have been delivered, as he says, and are due to be released real soon. So I'm guessing they're just being uploaded by some intern onto the completely safe and secure website as we speak. And we can expect... Yeah, and I'm guessing he means aliens.gov, alien.gov, the websites that have been registered. Yeah, so you've got Obama. walking things back a bit. You've got Kash Patel saying the files are coming out. Grush is saying, you know, the files that will come out. He's seen some of them. He's not getting his hopes up, but, you know, is it potentially going to help? Let's segue into a really weird aspect of the story then. So a couple of days ago, and still to today, multiple pastors in the United States. I could name them like Alan DiDio, Kevin Zidai, Joseph Z and others. These people and their names mean nothing to me, folks. So if they do to you, wonderful. Came forward and basically started sharing stories that they have been part of a briefing that's been held. They said at the time by the US government and politicians to basically prepare them, to get them to prepare their people and followers for disclosure that there is going to be confirmation of aliens, it's going to be difficult and strange, but they should prepare people for what's coming. This raised a lot of eyebrows because some of these people, I don't think I'm being unfair, Dan, when I say, and correct me if I'm wrong, some of these folks are the type of guys you see on TV telling folks that God and Jesus want you to give them all their money because their second boat needs its roof fixed. um all the most wonderful credible people going um yeah and it's it's all got a little bit messy with that situation the last few days so for a lot of folks these guys are are credible people spreading the word of god for others they're charlatans grifters and everything in between um it does look like and i've got a comment here from from timothy alberino who was on the podcast previously he's in the ear of of your eric burleson's and co as well um he's been commenting on this and he says let me be clear i am not aware of any official government sources or whistleblowers who are briefing christian pastors with the claim that aliens are demons that narrative is nonsense what does exist are private uap investigative groups that include individuals who happen to be evangelical Christians, and some of them are communicating this view to pastors behind the scenes. They are offering an opinion, not presenting evidence or speaking on behalf of any official source. And I think Tim's came out and read that statement, and I'm going to get you to read out the Burleson comment in a moment, because what seemed to be happening, and I'm as across this as I think I can be, because it's all happened quite quick, is people have attributed Burleson's work And Eric Burleson's, so Congressman Eric Burleson, representative from Missouri, that he, it was alleged that he was going around and hosting these briefings. And I think Burleson's had to come out and basically clear this up, hasn't he? Yeah. The word is that Burleson had this meeting with all these pastors. And I guess it sounded like some were in person and some were over like a Zoom call. and the cliff notes that i got yesterday just by just following social media which obviously is just full of truth and nothing but the truth um was that they were told that uh um nhi were interdimensional and that they created humanity and that was kind of the the the cliff notes yesterday and yeah sure um and i gotta say i definitely got a little caught up in it it felt more based in truth than a lot of stuff going on lately so it was fascinating um and then i remember you know i've been talking a lot about the demons thing lately and how it kind of it bothers me and it seems like a an easy way to call it demons so that you don't have to investigate it but then when we're talking about a bunch of uh pastors and and you know evangelical and local Christians and very, very religious folks. And to have the demon talk not come from them was very interesting to me, that they were talking about interdimensional beings as opposed to demons that kind of threw me for a loop. But yeah, Burleson had to come out and make a statement. And I'll read that if you want. He posted this yesterday. Yesterday, he said, I've had many people ask me to respond to what the internet has said about what a person has said what he says that I said. Really? I would remind people to listen to what I have already stated publicly, which is basically the following. I do not know what the strange objects in the sky are, and I certainly do not know their origins. I was asked to call in by phone to a conference slash meeting of theologians. I could not tell you all that was said at the meeting because I was not there and did not hear much of what was said. When I had a chance to speak, I expressed my views, which is what we Christians tend to get dug into our personal worldviews, even if they have nothing to do with what has actually been written in the Bible It would be wise for Christians to stick to what the Bible says and not what they think it says If that is a big if disclosure occurs of any type then it will be all the more important for us Christians to be educated in our own scriptures Until that time, I will continue to seek the truth, whatever it may be. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Which I actually, I really appreciated as, you know, this story was blowing up yesterday and to have someone come out the same day and kind of like calm things down in this political climate was actually very much appreciated. Doesn't happen very much. So obviously you could look at that, that Burleson's trying to backpedal. He's trying to cover himself. He's been caught out sharing information to pastors. However, like you say, that the statement's pretty fair. Rob Jones, who's a newly appointed at News Nation as a researcher, he's come out and said that the religious leader's story is hype and BS by about 6-10 people who had an unofficial meeting with two former government employees and then basically said to the person he was speaking to anytime you want to tap in on the material facts around the cover up let me know and one of the listeners on the discord for the podcast said for them it's a giant game of telephone gone wrong verified the Rob story yesterday retired government officials who did the briefing are Collins elite type, light type guys who supposedly mean well, but have zero weight or authority. Burleson joined the chat and got incorrectly lumped into their opinions without saying anything about it. So that's how that looks like it's all came about. And like you say, I think some of these pastor folks have jumped in on this to be like for views, for clicks, for clout, which can happen. But yeah, I think I had to talk about the pastor stuff, but that seems to be it for me, Dan. I don't know how much more there is to add to that one. No, I think it was a story that blew up and the fire got put out pretty quick. And Red Panda Koala also just tweeted that yesterday. In the space with Pastor Didio, he made the point that Burleson was not in the meeting. He said there seemed to have been multiple meetings with pastors from the same group that Burleson wasn't in the one that he was in. So it sounds like there was multiple meetings organized. I want to know who organized these and for what reason. Yeah. And also, if we're going to start briefing specific groups of people, I don't like that either. That was an issue. That was an issue a lot of folks had as to, so why are you just briefing evangelical Christians? And folks were like, well, is this because those within the White House, that's they're leaning and they're just looking out for themselves. This doesn't sit right with people. And it looks like that's not been the case. Yeah, because if that does happen, we should also be briefing, you know, elementary school teachers and college professors. And, you know, we're going to need to start reframing a lot of things that shouldn't start just with, you know, religion. Yeah. UFO podcasters, you know, folk like us should be getting briefed on this too. So we can start framing the narrative to go, I actually think these are interdimensional beings that are housed under the water. And that's why Atlantis was Atlantis. it was actually a yeah you know we can start sounding like we know what we're talking about you're goddamn right andrew yeah um so on to the even weirder which again this is all linked this is this is like one big news story still 53 minutes in from david grush to now this is all linked together so on the 13th of may we have another congressional hearing um this this time it's on MKUltra, which isn't directly UFO related, but a lot of times it comes up in UFO conversations. So for those unaware, MKUltra was a real CIA program, officially started in 1953. It was about researching mind control, interrogation, behavior manipulation, psychological influence. The 50s, 60s and 70s were a time of testing drugs. You're a roadie, aren't you, Dan? You must have hung about some guys in their day who enjoyed things like LSD, hypnosis, sensitive deprivation, sleep deprivation, electroshock. That sounds like a Saturday night out to Dan. But for a lot of folks in the CIA, it was MKUltra. People were allegedly tested on without consent. Came out of Cold War fears that the Soviet Union, China and North Korea had discovered brainwashing methods. the CIA wanted to know how it could help with interrogation, espionage, covert operations and many files of MK Ellison were destroyed on order of CIA Director Richard Helms in 1973 it became publicly exposed during the 1970s by the Church Committee Senate hearings and the most grounded takeaway is the US government did secretly fund unethical human experimentation and through the CIA shock horror so it's now used online in lots of different ways of what mk ultra may or may not be but those are the facts of mk ultra why do you think we're getting a hearing on mk ultra on the 13th of may i would love to know i would love to know uh that was my first thought is um where is this coming from uh it's not like mk ultra is is i mean it's in the news it's it's it it is adjacent to this topic that we always talk about and we've all kind of covered it in one way or another in some podcasters or even you know conversations around a campfire but um i don't i don't know what the push is right now i don't know what that's about um i know there's some speculation that the uh what's his name uh uh levels burger the guy the tesla um guy that yeah that the sean ryan show kind of broke well not broke but had a big piece on that story at the time didn't they because they mentioned anti-gravitics being part of it and a coming war with china and alien invasion false flag and it was really really strange for a day right and i've seen people make some connections to him being some kind of mk ultra asset and i i don't even know what that means i don't know how that works but i i'm very interested in uh what this hearing is going to be you mentioned rob jones i know that he mentioned he's going to be there covering it. I don't know. I don't even know. Do you know who called for this or who is going to chair this or who kind of made this happen? Honestly, I've not seen yet, but I'll ask you a question while I quickly double check. Is it far too much of a stretch to look at 11 missing scientists to then say there's an MKUltra hearing? have people been put under huge psychological stress is there an element to this is that totally unconnected because I think people are going to jump to that I'm not saying I'm going to do it and it's going to be 12 thumbnails over the next 12 days of MK Ultra scientists one by one but I think you're going to see a lot of that being linked and I suppose I'm wary this hearing could damage the UFO stuff depending how it's framed the questions that are asked, how it gets lumped in. And when we're looking at this being taken, UFOs being taken more and more seriously, which is, I think, I know that's one of the goals I have doing this podcast. And I'm sure when you have your conversations on your own or on Do My Friday's Night Shift, guys, it's all about trying to enjoy, inform, speculate, but push the conversation forward. And if we're, how is this, I'm worried how this is going to be framed, essentially. That's what I'm panicking about. That's a great point. and I didn't think about that until you just said it, but that's why it's important to know who is calling for this because let's say it's someone that we are unaware of is interested in the UFO topic and they're trying to call a MKUltra hearing into existence. Maybe the point of it is to dampen or sully the UFO topic. Maybe it is to make it look a little bit sillier knowing full well that us you know the stupid public will make these connections where they maybe don't exist um so maybe it's a calculated luna apparently anna plena luna okay well i mean i don't agree with her politically but i think i think her intentions are reasonable when it comes to this topic so i guess that theory goes out the window i don't think she's trying to tank the ufo topic but but she's also a book of enoch person so i i don't i don't really i don't know that's it's just a heads up on on that website giving me that news it's also advertising sex toys and hearing aids to me so i don't know what i've been looking up online any good deals six months off on the hearing aids send me the link send me the link oh i'll definitely not do that dan um but yeah but the news the news looked like i'm not on there so yeah um before we get to some listener questions a couple of quick news items just to touch on and then dan i don't know if you've got any um bob Bob Lazar is back on Area 52 with Chris Ramsey. Awesome. The comment section on X was not kind to Chris on the announcement of this interview. I saw a little bit of that. Yeah, even a lot of folks are like, why is he back on again? What did he not tell you last time? Well, yeah. Yeah, go on. I think that Chris has mentioned this, but his first interview with the czar was was filmed like two years ago it was filmed a long time ago the date in the background was different yeah yeah yeah uh it was supposed to line up with uh you know luigi's film um s4 was supposed to come out i think in 2024 or something like that yeah and it got pushed so there were interviews with bob that had taken place that were supposed to line up with that release and then i assume that you know he had a relationship with bob since then and there's new stuff going on and now they can talk about stuff since the films come out I'm excited I'll take as many Bob interviews as we can get I think it's great but I don't understand the hate of it but also people are just dicks there's the people who hate Lazar and then I think some folks who may be on the fence are looking going oh he's back on again so that's going to have to be carefully framed at the previous interview and i hope it's just not a three-hour interview where he covers a lot of that then same stuff it would need to and listen there are questions to ask lazar i i have questions that i won't get to interview bob lazar for disappointing reasons um i mean chris ramsey's got him twice in two years um yeah but like apparently bob lazar doesn't like leaving his ranch unless you're chris ramsey or jesse michaels or Joe Rogan. So, you know, I get that, but here's Chris Ramsey got him again. So, yeah, but there are questions that Jesse Michaels did not ask him, that Rogan did not ask him, that Chris Ramsey, first time round, did not ask him. So I'm intrigued to see if any of them actually follow up, because there is a lot of stuff you could ask Bob Lazar that isn't necessarily What kind of questions do you have that you would like to see them asked? I'll tell you after. Okay. There's a lot of stuff. on Lazar, uh, that I think gets missed out and, uh, sure. He might not even answer them. Um, but I'll be intrigued to see what Bob adds to the story. Um, me too. Me too. I'm with you though. I mean, if, if you, I, I, Chris is really good at what he does and he, and I like, uh, I love his interviews because he asks from just a very inquisitive place. It's not just like, he doesn't call himself a journalist. He's just a fan of the topic. So his questions come from the heart. So I think it'll definitely add more. But I agree. It would be a bum out if it's just kind of the same old. So what was it like inside? You know, we got it. We got it. Yeah. But I'll definitely watch it. Review the documentary type thing. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Also, Lou Elizondo's book, we touched on this on the Night Shift show last week when you all kindly had me on. That was great. yourself, Pavel, Xander. I really enjoyed it. And I mentioned to you all that Lou Elizondo's book has reportedly sources have told me, Dan, I have to do that old one, that it won't be coming out. It's still being reviewed by Dobser. That's why it will not be released in May as it was meant to be. So as far as I'm aware, nothing sinister, still under review. They maybe just jumped the gun, putting it up on that site. To be fair, that when my book was going out, and bear in mind, my book wasn't dops or reviewed, you know, the government just let me release it. Make of that what you will. It was up on a website months before I even announced it. And it had a date that wasn't going to be the release date. So, you know, these things can happen. But yeah, that was interesting. Any thoughts on Elizondo's book? He's got his tour coming up soon as well. No, I don't even know. I don't even know what this book is supposed to be about. I mean, I think when you mentioned it on Dumer Friday, it was kind of news to me. What is this book supposed to be? So I found the section. So the book was due out 29th of May, 2026. Or pre-order was due 29th of May, and it was due to go on sale late August. It was going to be Reckoning, the unspoken truth about UFOs and the urgency of now. Not that urgent for Doppler. and the blurb as it appeared on the site was and our future depends on how we respond. Drawing on previously undisclosed evidence, global history and groundbreaking science, Elizondo reveals why this is not just about strange lights in the sky. It's about technology, security, faith and the very identity of humankind. This is the pivotal moment. Will we evolve into a species ready to face the truth or retreat into denial and risk catastrophe? That was the book, mate. so it's kind of it's kind of imminent too in some ways i'm an inter imminent sure yeah um although it sounds like he's touching a bit more on like humanity and our origins is that kind of what he's alluding to maybe i mean maybe more of his opinion rather than his experience um the last book kind of went up to what 2021 2022 time didn't it or i think it no it finished on the hearings i think the hearings were kind of happening and it almost looked like obviously he'd written it over the time before that but if i remember right the hearings were kind of tacked on as these are happening or have just happened at the end so it looked like it was ready maybe to go to print and they've went shit we have to get this in so maybe I think it cut off round about 2023, 2022 I read it but does Eminent refer to does it talk about him in Congress or just the first rush hearing? No no not him, it was before that because his was 24 fuck's sake Dan, I could look it up it's right behind me why not? let you do the work you're the guest so you shouldn't have to um so sit back and relax yeah acknowledgements redacted um what date did it come out eminence he yeah um because he testified i believe november of 24 yeah it was before it was before that because he talks about his book and the hearing because remember oh that's right yeah yeah right luna or mace kind of has like a little dig at him like i don't want to know yeah but something yeah we don't want to read your book that's right that's right that's right good call okay we got mystery solved yeah so i think it was about 2020 yeah it finishes up around the fall of 2023 senate leadership requested my help giving them clarity uep disclosure act yeah so we're it was round about that time um i wonder how i wonder how this book will be received because when when imminent came out he was kind of still like seen as you know one of the top the top dogs since then there's been a couple whoopsie daisies with uh with lou not unfair yep not unfair yeah um and i think people make mistakes but i also i've definitely criticized him for you know you're the guy you you sell yourself as the guy in this field um you can't make the kind of mistakes that he's made with releasing images that are just clearly not what he's claiming they are. That changed my opinion of... No, I don't want to say that. I still respect what he did. I still think he's very knowledgeable, but those mistakes really bothered me, personally. You weren't the only one. Yeah, I know. Not unfair at all. And then with this second... Again, similar though to Lazar's second appearance on Area 52 in a short time, Elizondo's first book people are like so there's your book there's there's your magnum opus there you've got it all down and then oh there's your second book coming out now what did you not put in the first one well I think it's you're always going to get that sure I think uh also with the process there are things that he were was probably trying to get cleared for the first book that he couldn't get cleared and I imagine that for the second book he's been cleared to talk about more stuff from the past, which if that's the case, that's awesome. I can't wait to hear what those things are. And I think that you definitely hear people talk about Dobster, how it's sometimes things are left out for a specific reason, which eventually becomes okay to talk about. So maybe there will be some important info in there. And no matter what, I will definitely be, I'm not a reader, but I'll listen to it for sure. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl. That's shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. yeah I bought the book but then listened to it on audiobook for the review and I'll check it out review it and stuff and obviously wish him well in his recovery from the accident on the bike too but yeah definitely I think like most folks though it's a little bit like remember is it in Batman when he talks about you know you either live you either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain become the villain yeah that seems to be most folks in ufology who come forward doesn't it? You either die the hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain and for me just personally, Grush right now is the hero is he going to die the hero? not, literally die metaphorically or is he going to live long enough to be the guy that, oh there's his movie there's his second book coming out there's his spoken word tour with Joe Rogan around the world I think I think that we will I think Rush will do things in the future that will kind of make some of us be like Tom man that kind of sucks but I also am the person where he's human and also just because you have privileged information doesn't mean you don't deserve to have a job or to have an income and people see writing a book as a way to make money who cares I mean it's information you know musicians I work in the music industry. There you go. There's a book right there. Excuse me. There it is right there. I'm dust on my book. Yeah, sorry. People don't get mad at musicians for, you know, going in the studio and making albums and then selling those albums. I mean, they're also giving information to the public. Documentaries are made all the time about very important subjects. And, you know, doing that costs money. And you go to the theater and you see this documentary or you rent it on Amazon or whatever. I don't know why with the UFO topic, we seem to think that no one has the right to make a living off of what they did and what they know. I have no problem with people making money off of it if they're telling the truth. That's the key part. If you're out there selling lies to people and making money, that's the definition of a grift. but if you're selling information that is true i believe by definition that is not a grift and everyone has every right to make a living yeah when you say about musicians i do have some issues with taylor swift haddy styles and cardi b about releasing absolute dog shit and selling it as music but yeah that's um that's that's just a personal opinion from me there well as someone who works in the business uh i will never talk about taylor swift um she after what after her eras tour that made her a billionaire she uh she had hundreds of people on her tour and she tipped out she gave every single person on the tour including truck drivers and people that sold merch everyone got a hundred thousand dollar tip so that's a pretty that's like me are you giving someone a 10 our man that's like that's like ten dollars but it's more than anyone else does yeah that's just a tax write-off she took that $38 million so yeah and wrote it all off the IRS so don't be that guy don't be that guy you dick I like a couple of her songs but some of it's utter shit of course it is I don't like music at all regardless how much she gives away so anyway a few questions to get all through from listeners here okay had a few around pastors for disclosure people were really you know we touched on all of that so thank you to those who sent in the questions about pastors. John says, as a Christian myself, I think it's important to reflect a recent comment by David Grush, something to the effect of it being premature to label NHI as anything so specific. It is my opinion, it often comes from a place of fear, but the Bible never indicates that a demon is a specific species or type of creature. It may be thought of as a description of what an NHI's position is in relation to humanity and god and there's not enough information currently to even come close to understanding that so the same rules apply as when you step into the wild respect and caution is warranted no matter what lens we look at this but fear is the killer that's beautiful that is beautifully beautifully said um i think it boils down to just people we have a tough time not knowing things we have a tough time saying i don't know so when there's an unknown we always want to assign something to it whether it's a demon or an alien or a ghost or whatever we have a tough time being like I don't know and we just got to let it stay I don't know but I think what he said what John said was really beautifully said yeah poetry John absolute poetry and you're right and I've talked often enough about the whole idea of labels and like you say I won't pretend to know the doctrine or what's written in various religious texts I know the rough idea but if you're right there that there's no such thing as a demon as this and it is just a way of describing a thing's behavior towards something or you know a position that that's that's totally fair um and david says and this touches on the kind of pastor thing but i want to get your thoughts on david's point here the latest rumor going around is that the interdimensionals created humans there is no god etc obviously if true the religiously inclined are in for a very bad day but i've heard you say many times about a truth that would be more than a general public might be able to handle would that revelation be one of those truths because it sure would cause humanity to reconsider our perceived understanding of a great many things i uh i think that would be true of just highly religious folk, but there's a lot of people out there, atheists or agnostics or whatever, that it wouldn't really shatter their foundation. Well, it could, but not because of religious reasons. Yeah, so not for religious, but if you find out you're an atheist, you're agnostic, whatever, here are the things that created you. It's another race of highly intelligent beings that either were here, they left, they're still here they can travel dimensions but these are your creators basically and they're coming back for a chat that's not something I think even I would go that's fine no of course not dude it would fucking rock my world if that was the case but I would be shocked scared not like I don't want to know but just scared of the unknown the unknown is scary but also fun I would be like whoa let take this in But then I be all about like now let figure out tell me why tell me how I want to know everything about it But there's other possibilities that really are terrifying. Like the idea of us being some kind of resource or even a food source, as George Knapp has hinted at multiple times to the point where it makes me very uncomfortable because he makes a point to bring that up like three or four times publicly. But I think that us being created by something is one of the least scary outcomes. Because at least if something made us, hopefully that implies some kind of care or concern for us. But just like humans, we created Labradoodles. I mean, it doesn't mean we care about Labradoodles so much because we crossbred these, whatever. I don't know what point I'm trying to make, but I think you get it. Unfortunately, though, there are humans that create other humans that do some very horrible things. Yes, that's a great point, too. Yeah, it's a great point. You started touching on there some of the hard pills to swallow. A question that was asked by MPH said, has anyone found out what is the tough pill to swallow? And also, a follow-up, is Jeremy going to release something new in his new movie? So first off, those kind of tough pills to swallow, Dan, we find out we are created by something else there could be an element of whatever this phenomenon is or an aspect of it if we find out, if we know if that observer effect comes into play where we know it's there, truly that it's game over and we get reset and there's another ice age, big flood you know, okay, you not need to go this experiment's over that could be a tough pill to swallow maybe it ties in with the cataclysm stuff potentially I'm just kind of throwing stuff off the top of my head the food source thing maybe not even they are physically eating us you know but perhaps there is that element of the feeding on fear feeding on you know the horrible things that happen negative emotions I always liken it to Monsters Inc where they use the power of children's screams to power their world um and is it something like that you know we're all batteries in the matrix what are some of the stuff you could think of there's part of that that makes sense too if that were the case it would explain so so much about uh human nature and the way that we treat each other and the way that we are always at war the way that we are just so greedy and uh even with you know we consider ourselves you know civilized people we live in homes with running water and power if we're lucky we have those things and we we go and we have jobs and we raise families but as a species we are still violent animals violent territorial animals uh we are racists we we don't accept people for who they are for the most part as humans, I think. We have jealousy, we have anger problems, but also we have the ability to love and to laugh and do all these great things. But it would make sense if something created us to feed off of those negative feelings and fear to pre-wire us to hate each other and to be scared of each other and to have wars and to commit atrocities against children and women and boys. There's all kinds of stuff that would make sense if that were the case. If so, they did a great job. Or maybe they didn't create us, but maybe they found a way to tap into that. Another great point. Sure. Thanks. I'm full of them. Mark asks a question directly to you here dan what are dan's thoughts on the vatican archives does he think there is something credible in there that suggests et interaction i think definitely i think so um danny sheen's talked about seeing some of that stuff um it seems like it's one of the most highly guarded places in the entire world um i have i have very strong feelings just based on nothing that a lot of the stories in the Bible or the ideas of seeing angels and demons could very easily be tied to contact experiences over the last thousands and thousands of years. I think that makes complete sense, especially when you don't know you have no context of what you're looking at or how something could fly through the air. I mean, it would, it would seem supernatural. So I think there's probably definitely some stuff in the Vatican that, that would be considered, um, proof of what we're talking about and things that maybe Catholics would not want to be public because it would affect their bottom line and this corporation that they've created. No, no offense intended, but it is a, it is a, it is a highly profitable machine. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. All religion is. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. I, I, I think there would be elements down there of even particular writings that maybe, you know, you've got some of these interactions, and I can't think of any off the top of my head in the Bible, where you could interpret something as, well, they met an angel, but actually it could be NHI, or this could be NHI. Maybe there's some stuff that's really deliberately, this being, this entity was not human, was not made by God. Maybe there's some stuff that just really is very blatantly about non-human intelligence craft of different technologies that they go we just that's just not in those bibles it's not in this version it was meant to be uh and that that's the kind of stuff i don't imagine i've got any you know photographs down there was it was it burleson who also said recently about the bible that it's important for people to kind of take the bible for what the words are and not try to look at it through how people interpreted it thousands of years ago did you hear that quote recently no but someone kind of put it that way like listen to the words don't try to like think about everything we've attached to it just read it read it as is um but yeah i think you're right just uh interpretation is is everything yeah 100 um ricky says when the uap files finally drop do you anticipate anticipate the uk france and other countries to do a similar release of what they have on the issue issue? And if so, would it be days, weeks, or months in your opinion? I'll answer that one first, Dan. I don't think anyone will follow suit. I think the US will do this, and the US will do this alone, and I don't think those files, to Grush's point, are going to be anything spectacular, hopefully some interesting, but yeah, I don't see this having a kind of ripple effect. I don't see it being talked about in Parliament currently. Not just those files anyway going back to the the grush interview that came out yesterday i found one part to be very very interesting that i don't think we touched on at one point um grush makes a comment excuse me about uh you know we should you know he thinks this is going to be announced by the president but then he makes the point that uh unless an adversary nation decides to get the jump on it and do it first yeah that to me felt like a very deliberate kind of push to like we should be the ones to do this because china or russia or even you know brazil i feel like could probably say something um the uk definitely could although the uk feels very much like very far from being part of this conversation but i think rush did that on purpose to kind of give a little nudge to the the administration to, you know, let's be the leaders on this now. Yeah. Similarly, let's follow up. Sauerkraut says, pastors say they've been told to prepare for disclosure. We've discussed that. However, is there some kind of false flag set up with the current disclosure buildup from the Trump administration? Where do you sit then on the idea that this is all building towards either a massive distraction? we hear about the project blue beam the idea we're going to have some hologrammed alien invasion you know and that's going to allow governments to seize more power over their people or what what's your take there uh i i have so uh so little interest in in that idea i just is it possible sure there's a comedian tim dylan um who has been he's hilarious and he's been talking a lot about this stuff lately and his entire last episode is about this idea of a of a fake alien invasion and just how he sees there's no way to pull it off properly and that if they try it it will be the most embarrassing failure in human history just it just can't be done properly i don't know i can't pay much attention to the idea of a false flag or, and also like people throw around the word PSYOP with absolutely everything. I just, when I hear PSYOP, I kind of just tune out. When I hear false flag, I kind of just tune out. Are they possible? Yes. But I just, I don't know. It's too much of a what if for me to really think about it a whole lot. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl. That's shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. Do you know what? For the most part, yes, I would say I'm the same, but I think we're in a time in 2026. where would it totally shock me if something weird, imagine something like the Phoenix Lights. Like they used a hologram because they could do that easily. And they spoofed a huge mass sighting for distraction, control, fear, all of that. I wouldn't be shocked if that was something that they'd even at least talked about recently to go, you know, we could do this if things get bad over here with Iran, Epstein, whatever let's, over Idaho, let's put a massive craft at, you know half past nine on the night in November at some festival, you know something really, really weird and obscure, just to kind of take the attention away from other things and I think even then you would have a split of it's a distraction, it's a hoax, etc you don't have to admit aliens, you don't have to say we're not alone but it would be enough to get people talking and pull attention away from things it wouldn't shock me that's that's basically what i'm saying wouldn't shock me either but the issue with that i think is that our our attention spans as a as a people are so short that it might work for a minute but we're still at least in this country we're still going to circle back to you know the epstein files or whatever whatever the thing is that we really that is not going away that's something that's not going away here um globally i mean if they if they planned it all over the world and there was like a coordinated effort to basically mimic the movie arrival where there's you know five pods or whatever it was all over the world i guess it could be something something interesting but what's is the is the point just for distraction is the point to get people to rally around giving more and more money to the US military for like how much more do they need for self-defense? I don't know. I would love to know what the intention or angle would be. Here's a break in the serious questions. This Breakeven Bandit says, what gets released first? GTA 6, the UFO files, or Elizondo's book? I saw that. I saw that one. GTA 6, what's the other one? The UFO files, or Elizondo's book. I think the files are coming in the next couple of weeks. I think so too because GTA is supposed to be I think November of this year and I really can't wait. And I make the joke all the time that I really want to play it before nukes blow up the entire world. I keep getting mad at the delay because I really want to play. I think the files are first and then GTA and then Lou's book. Yeah, that's the likely one. for me yeah the files do the files do feel pretty close it kind of does feel it but also we've been told i think we're days rather than months at this point i think for the files maybe weeks but not long um although here's one although go on if grush said you know gave the 60 to 90 day window is is is he talking about more than the files do you think yeah 100 what do you think he might be referring to like it like an official acknowledgement um i i don't know just more because because he talks about the files and says i've seen some of them you know they're not going to have a big impact you know the way what we're talking about well but then at the end you know within 60 to 90 days we'll see some serious movement that's not the files um for me yep um cb says if you had the chance to ask three questions of the trump administration or us Congress, what would you ask vis-a-vis NHI disclosure at this moment? Alternately, what is one do or do not that you would recommend to the administration or Congress regarding capital D disclosure? So let's go with one question each and then one do or do not that we would recommend. Anything off the top of your head immediately? My question would be, I think, why now and where is this information kind of coming from? okay about you should want to know uh so i would intent no i want to know intent of them or the yeah i want to know if they know what the intent of these beings or interactions like what what is the point of these things interacting with us if they know that um i suppose i'll be cheeky and just piggyback off your question and I'd want to know how many of these things are you directly interacting with that are different good one that's a good one there's one thing about yeah there's aliens yeah but how many of them oh yeah just the one species or no actually four but one of them we don't like talking to one of them we don't speak to very much one of them's meh and one of them's really nice maybe it's like that you know that's the way I kind of think it is to be honest and the other one was what is one do or do not that you would recommend the administration or congress regarding capital D disclosure, my do is one that's not going to happen and that would be do get the other superpowers involved i.e. Russia and China and get together, they won't and even if they do they'll be backstabbing each other anyway, but I would like to see it be like a worldwide effort yeah i i i love that idea i think that's a great do uh i think that would be the only way to have it feel uh sincere to the whole world where if it's just the u.s president or just putin and talking at a podium it's going to be easy to dismiss just because or easy to accept or dismiss based on where you lay politically so my my do not i would actually ask for it not to be just the president making an announcement. I would like to have some expert that kind of gives the information or at least a panel of people that speak together, not just one guy looking to be the guy with all the pictures being taken, but that's probably what it's going to be. I'm laughing because you've answered the next question. Oh, really? Okay. What's the question? Andy asked is there any particular figurehead that you would believe when it comes to disclosure whatever that may look like so you're looking for an expert in a field and it's kind of my answer as well I'd be looking for a panel of scientists astrophysicists mathematicians etc and kind of one by one with kind of five or ten minutes each you get them going along saying found this signal we've been tracing it for a year now we've found it back to this planet technical signature pollution biosignatures, whatever it may be. We also then got these folks who have looked at this, what we think is frequency we've picked up. We've found it's a signal, and basically it's binary code, or it's these numbers, which are basically like a basic hello type thing. So you've got all these different scientists coming forward to say, we can basically say this is alien life, this is non-human life. It's reached out to us, and we're going to reach back. I would rather that than Xi Jinping, Putin, Trump, anybody standing on a podium and making the announcement. I would love to see a group of people. We don't know who they are. We get their names. We get their roles. But they stand there and give us like an en masse presentation. Even if they're introduced by the president, if we're just talking about the US, if Trump were to say, you know, we're not alone and today is a huge day for the country and the world. Aren't I amazing? Let me turn it over to our panel of experts and let them talk and take questions. I'd be okay with that. If he gets to be the guy that says... Can we have Trump holding a microphone, walking around and commenting as they do it, though? Like he's Phil Donahue or Oprah Winfrey? Fascinating. I love that. Let's expand on that. That's an idea I've had for many of you. Amazing. Yeah. Saturday Night Live-esque skit. Absolutely. That would be quite interesting. Last couple of questions, mate. Russell says, not something I've heard mentioned before, But is there a possibility that the NHI have been influencing the below? The global total fertility rate was approximately 2.3 births per woman in 2023, having dropped from over five in the 1960s to below the 2.1 replacement level in many countries. So are NHI affecting global fertility rates? I don't think so. I think that it has to do with just society. And I think that has to do with technology and phones and money, attention, money, resources. Yeah. Resources and the job market. But I think mostly it has to do with, you know, you, you, you see reports now of young people are like, they're not really dating. They're not like having sex. Cause everything's kind of done over, over texting and face to face communications and conversations are seen is somewhat awkward nowadays. So I think that has to do more with just where society is in general and overpopulation and resources and fear and uncertainty. I think it's going to go down even more with the current uncertainty of the future because, I mean, jobs are disappearing at an alarming rate. So I don't think now's the time to be building a, you know, getting five kids. Yeah, I think society's changed, like you say, and I don't think it's to do with the NHI on that one. But yeah, interesting point. And Joe says, what do you think the likelihood is that the UK could have had a similar skiff set up for British military whistleblowers and maybe an aliens.gov.uk website? It's all happening in the US. It's frustrating that nothing ever happens to push the needle forwards in the UK. I think the world generally would take disclosure more seriously if it didn't come from Trump as the general public that are not as informed as the UAP community will think it's just another distraction and will call BS. Maybe we could create a petition for parliamentary discussion. So I suppose that kind of wraps us up nicely because we've been touching on that and that idea that I think it's going to have to be for the UK to do anything. It's going to have to be US-led and it's going to have to be US-led in a big way. These files dropping, which will happen in the coming days, will not impact the UK to release anything similar. That won't happen. I don't think a petition would get unfortunately enough support from the public to push that forward either I think you would have to have maybe something akin to Grush's comments about something substantial happening 60-90 days and again, not to repeat myself too much here but from the Doomer Friday appearance James Webb telescopes found a signature somewhere else or Avi Loeb's Galileo project picks up something interesting. It would need to be something like that or an Oumuamua type object that comes through the solar system that undoubtedly moves. What was the one everyone was commenting on for clicks and likes and engagement for months? 3i Atlas. That's the one, 3i Atlas, that all those people made an absolute fortune for doing daily podcasts on what it was and wasn't doing. Incredible stuff. absolutely unbelievable um yeah so it would need to be something undeniably like that where scientists came out and went yeah this is doing some really weird stuff this isn't a comet james webb is interesting yeah i got a um um an acquaintance of mine has a connection at jpl the jet propulsion laboratory in pasadena california and a couple years ago i got invited to do like a like an awesome private tour of the facility and go and get like a walk around tour and there's a guy that works here named jim mcclure and he's been there i think since the 80s he's been there forever and he's the one that kind of gave us the tour and at one point i think i asked a question about james webb because i think they do all the james webb stuff i think at jpl and um he told me that there were that the government had a handful of classified missions that jpl was working on that were yeah like classified and i asked like well what like can you is there anything you can say about that he goes no but there's a there's classified missions that that james webb is doing and i would love to know if looking for life is part of that i would assume it would be Yeah. Yeah. But classified. That's very interesting. Yeah. How can you not be interested? Even, let's just say, there were no aliens, there was no NHI, it's all conspiracy theory, the governments have never been involved, right? Yep. Let's just say that was the case. Surely even then, if you were sending up stuff like James Webb, you would just go, in the off chance there's something out there, let's try and get ahead of this first. We've never been, there was no Roswell, we've never been visited, you know, no Phoenix Lights. But let's just have a look, just in case. It would make sense, wouldn't it? Of course. Absolutely, 100%. Yes. Yeah. That's where I think we're at. But listen, you have been really great with your time, Dan, and I know you are a busy man today. Thank you for joining me to break down the Grush interview and everything that's going on. And I think we're only going to get busier in the coming weeks, to be honest. Not months, weeks. So, yeah, I appreciate it, mate. It's a pleasure. I love talking to you. And let me know anytime. and please come back on Doomer Friday as soon as possible. Yeah, people seem to enjoy that. So how can people find you and your work if folks want to check out you, Dan? Sure. I have a UFO podcast called Others from Another Mother, which you can watch on YouTube. I have an interview with Jeremy Corbell coming out next week to talk about his film and other things with the director, Michael Lazofsky. We had a great conversation and there's some cool stuff in the movie that we touched on. people can find me on Instagram at DanCleary79 I talk a lot about UFO stuff and silly dumb stuff I'm all over the place and you can find me on X also at DanCleary79 and I look forward to talking to you again as soon as possible Awesome, Dan, thank you thank you for listening thank you for watching folks, if you're on YouTube make sure you like, subscribe leave a comment that helps folks like myself and Dan out massively and it's always free to do that too so thank you very much and I'll speak to you very, very soon. Oh, you're not holding up a copy of my book, are you? Yeah, I mean, Atlas of UFOs is currently available and on a good offer across Amazon if you want to check out a copy of that as well. I'll get the plug in there. Thank you, Dan. Cheers. Speak to you soon, folks. Starting a business can be overwhelming. 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