How do you get rid of a boo hag?
39 min
•Jul 22, 2022almost 4 years agoSummary
This episode of Pet Candy's 'Obsessed' explores the Boo Hag, a supernatural creature from Gullah folklore originating in coastal North and South Carolina. Hosts Caitlin Palmer and Clay discuss the mythology, characteristics, and protective measures against these shape-shifting entities that allegedly drain victims' life force by sitting on their chests at night.
Insights
- Boo Hag folklore serves as a cultural explanation for sleep paralysis and unexplained nighttime disturbances, rooted in African-American Gullah traditions with practical protective rituals
- The legend reflects historical trauma and cultural knowledge preservation, with conjure doctors and root workers representing alternative spiritual and medical practitioners in marginalized communities
- Protective measures (brooms, salt, indigo paint) reveal how folklore encoded practical household management and architectural design choices into supernatural narratives
- Boo Hag mythology parallels other supernatural entities (succubi, vampires) but maintains distinct cultural specificity tied to Gullah identity and coastal Carolina geography
Trends
Renewed interest in African-American folklore and Gullah cultural traditions among mainstream audiencesFolklore as framework for understanding historical health phenomena (sleep paralysis, sudden infant death) through cultural lensSupernatural creature mythology used to encode practical safety and household management adviceDigital platforms enabling documentation and accessibility of regional folklore traditions previously limited to oral transmissionCrossover appeal of regional folklore in entertainment and podcast media
Topics
Gullah Folklore and African-American Supernatural TraditionsBoo Hag Mythology and CharacteristicsSleep Paralysis and Folklore ExplanationsConjure Doctors and Root Workers (Hoodoo Practitioners)Protective Rituals and Talismans (Boo Daddy)Indigo Paint and Folklore-Based Home ProtectionShape-Shifting Entities in Comparative MythologyCoastal Carolina Supernatural LegendsSkin-Shedding Creatures in World FolkloreSleep Disturbances and Cultural InterpretationBoo Hag vs. Succubus and Incubus ComparisonUrban Dictionary as Folklore Documentation SourceHistoric Charleston and Gullah CultureSupernatural Creature TaxonomyFolklore as Health and Safety Encoding
Companies
Urban Dictionary
Referenced as a source for Boo Daddy definitions and folklore documentation, described as a 'treasure trove' of cultu...
People
Caitlin Palmer
Co-host of 'Obsessed' segment discussing Boo Hag folklore and Gullah cultural traditions
Clay
Co-host engaging in discussion and Q&A about Boo Hag mythology and protective measures
Quotes
"A boo hag is a kind of witch that can slip in and out of her skin and fly around at night and cause all kinds of trouble in the world."
Caitlin Palmer•~15:00
"You gotta wait until she slips out of her skin in the middle of the night. And then you find that skin. Look under the stairs. That's where boo hags like to hide their skin."
Caitlin Palmer (reading folklore)•~20:00
"All you have to do is lay a broom across your front door... A hairbrush or a kitchen colander will also do the trick."
Caitlin Palmer•~65:00
"Don't let the hag ride you."
Caitlin Palmer•~75:00
"Boo hags are commonly associated with sleep paralysis."
Caitlin Palmer•~76:00
Full Transcript
You're listening to Pet Candy. This is the sound check. Would you like to say anything to the listeners at home? No, because they don't get to hear the sound check. No, this is like a Patreon exclusive. Welcome to our new show, Obsessed. A show where we talk about whatever it is we're currently obsessed with. I'm Caitlin Palmer. I'm Clay. And we're... Obsessed. Obsessed. Well, if it isn't each and every one of you. Welcome back. We're so glad you came back. Clay, how's it going? How's your day been? Pretty good. Really? We were just talking about how our days have not been good. Well, it wasn't that good. But then our producer sent me this link to a guy who posted on Twitter. So, you know, the meme that's been going around is this like AI created images based on things that you type into it? Oh, yeah. Well, he just typed in like a stupid word and it came up with this creature. Oh. So here's a couple pictures of the crungus and it looks like it looks like something that would be on the show. Oh my God, it really does. And he was like concerned. He's like, why do all these pictures look so similar? What the hell is a crungus? I thought I'd made this up. So I'll send that to you so we can put that on the Instagram. Everybody can see the rare never before photographed crungus. The crungus. There's a crungus among us. Now, there's just a little tiny bit of business just before we get into the episode. I did go ahead and make a Facebook as well because not everyone has Instagram. So there's now a Facebook for obsessed with the Palmer's as well as the Instagram obsessed with the Palmer's. And you can always send us an email at obsessedwiththepalmers.com. Yes, you should definitely do that. So that actually wasn't my story. Oh, okay. I thought that was your story. I'm sorry. I just wanted to show you the crungus. I mean, crungus was my favorite now. No, the story is actually that it is raining anchovies or it was raining anchovies in San Francisco. Like really? Like pretty much. Yeah. There was this huge boom in anchovy population because of like this weird sort of weather effect that caused cool water to rise to the surface. All boring science stuff. Ultimately, what I'm trying to say is birds, seagulls in particular being the assholes of the sky that they are literally ate so many anchovies. They didn't know what to do with them, but they were still like, no, I've got to get these anchovies. So they would still swoop down and get the anchovies, but then unable to eat them. They just kind of dropped them in the streets and stuff. Oh my God. So there was just anchovies raining all over the city. Can you imagine just walking like you've got your coffee and like maybe you just went to a shop and then an anchovy drops into your coffee? That'd be it for me. I'd be like, you know what? I'm done. I'm done with this world. People were like posting different things about it, but one of my favorite things I saw was like, Poseidon has blessed you with a bountiful harvest. Thank you Poseidon. For these stinky fish. Yep. So you ready to hear my topic? It's kind of a good one. I'm pretty impressed if I do say so myself with myself. With myself? With myself. All right. So I've stopped trying to keep it a secret from Clay because like, I mean, I don't know what it is. Yeah, you do. It's been like up on my computer this whole damn time. I haven't been looking. So this is the creepiest creature you've probably never heard of because I hadn't. This? I've heard of creatures. You've heard of creatures? I've heard of creatures before. Oh yes. Imagine you're in bed and your wife gets up. To go for the fourth time tonight. Right. To go for the fourth time tonight. But this time it's taken. It's been a particularly long. So you're getting worried and you get up and you go and you check the bathroom. It doesn't even smell like. Interesting. Right. That's not right. Yeah. So that's you're kind of like, that's probably where is she? She's nowhere to be seen. Finally, this is taking her. But there's a window open. Which is really weird because our bathroom does not have a window that opens. This isn't going to be scary at all. Sorry. So you're kind of like that's weird. So you go back to bed the next morning. Your wife's missing. Big whoop. Huh. There's a window in my bathroom that hasn't been before. My wife is gone. All right. I'm going to wait till in the morning. This is future me's problem. Yeah. That's my favorite saying. Yeah. So you go back to bed next morning. Everything seems fine. So you're kind of wondering did I maybe like dream that that was kind of strange, but whatever. The next night you assume she's taking her nightly. She's copaid. Wait, have you returned at this point? Have I seen you? Yeah. No, this has been the whole day. Like the whole day has come and gone. It's the next night. My wife has been missing this whole time. No, no. She was next to you. Oh, okay. It was. You kind of. I was concerned. You kind of start to think like, oh, maybe, maybe I dreamed that that was kind of weird. Okay, whatever. That night you say, I'm going to stay up and make sure she comes back from that. But she slips out of bed. So I'm going to read you a story that somebody else wrote. And this is from North Carolina ghosts.com. Is it about taking? I mean, it's implied. Okay. Once there were two men who had been friends all their lives. They married two beautiful women about the same time and everything seemed fine. But one day one of the men came to his friend and asked him, when you wake up at night, is your wife with you? She sure is. Said his friend. Why do you ask? Well, when I lie down in bed at night, my wife is with me. But when I wake up in the middle of the night, she's gone. But then come morning, she's back in bed. Man, said the friend. I think you married a boo hag. A boo hag. A boo hag. A boo hag. A boo hag. But she's taken sh**. Aw, she's doing her nightly dumps. Okay, I have heard at least the term boo hag. Yes. Not necessarily about what a boo hag is in particular. Okay. I'm guessing a type of hag. Of the hag family. Right. One of the hag familiars. Now, they knew this was serious. A boo hag is a kind of witch that can slip in and out of her skin and fly around at night and cause all kinds of trouble in the world. A boo hag can kill a man just by sucking all the blood from his body through his nose. I thought that was going to be different. I know. They'll get a man and ride him all night so he can't move, he can't breathe. A boo hag is not. Okay, well, then it came back around. Yeah. Yeah. It did go the direction I thought it was going to go. It did. A boo hag is not something you'd want to meet. And sure not something you'd ever want to be married to. So the man asked his friend what he should do. You gotta wait until she slips out of her skin in the middle of the night. And then you find that skin. Look under the stairs. That's where boo hags like to hide their skin. You take that skin and you pour salt and pepper all over it. Then she won't be able to get her skin back on. Cause it will be finely seasoned. It will be finely seasoned to perfection. So that night the man went to bed with his wife and pretended to sleep. About midnight he felt her slip out of bed beside him. He waited for her to get downstairs and then got out of bed and then quietly hid where she could not see him. He saw his wife pull off all of her skin and roll it up into a ball and hide it under the stairs. Then she flew right up the chimney going out to cause trouble in the world. So that man didn't waste any time. He went and got that skin and salted and peppered it real good. Then rolled it back up into a ball and hid it. Put it back under the stairs where he found it. Then he went back to bed and waited until early in the morning when he heard a noise of something coming down the chimney. He heard his wife's voice speaking softly. Skin. Skin do you know me? Skin. Skin this is me. Skin. Skin do you know me? Skin. Skin this is me. But he knew with all that salt and pepper she couldn't get back into her skin. He waited and heard his wife speak again. Skin. Skin do you know me? Skin. Skin this is me. Skin. Skin do you know me? Skin. Skin this is me. And he knew that she was stuck without her skin. He heard her coming up the stairs and pretended to be asleep. He felt his wife crawl into bed with him and wrap himself up tight in the sheet. But he reached his hand over and he could feel something warm and raw and rubbery in bed next to him. After that he didn't need to pretend not to sleep. When morning broke the man got up and said to his wife, time to get up time for breakfast. But she said, I ain't getting up I'm sick. And lay there all wrapped up tight in that sheet not showing one inch of herself. The man said he'd go get the doctor but said that the doctor cost too much money. So the man was going to go hoe the garden. The man went outside and hid under the window. Sure enough he heard his wife come down the stairs and call out again. Skin. Skin do you know me? Skin. Skin this is me. Skin. Skin do you know me? Skin. Skin this is me. That was enough for the man. He went down to fetch the conjure man who would know what to do. He told the conjure man his story and the conjure man told him to go home and start a big barrel of pitch boiling and he'd be by shortly. So the man went home and built a fire in the garden and started a big barrel of pitch boiling on it. Soon the conjure man walked up the road and the two of them went inside and went upstairs where the woman was back in bed all wrapped up tight in her sheet again. The conjure man said, what else you woman? And she said there was nothing wrong. The conjure man wasn't having any of that. He ripped the sheet right off her and there she was lying there all raw and bloody. Man Utah married a hag said the conjure man and they grabbed her and carried her out of the garden where they threw her in that big barrel of boiling pitch and burned that hag alive. What else could they do? The end. Hi, I want to tell you about my new show, Simply Pets with Shannon Gregor. We talk about pets, life, love and everything in between with the coolest people on the planet. Don't miss out on the fun. Check it out on a podcast platform of your choice. I like it's just like, oh, well, yep, you got a hag problem here. Yeah. Just kind of nonchalantly. He's like, oh yeah, your skin, your locks been skinned alive. Yep, that's a hag. All right. Yep, that's a hag. All right. Good thing you just had all this pitch lying around to boil. I like that they never, that he never even thought, man, maybe she just had to poop. Like maybe she just had to get up and go potty. I guess. I don't know. I would have been like, come on, get up. I'm like, no, I don't want to get up. And it's like, you want to tell me about the skin? Can we have a conversation about the skin, please? Oh, so the Boo Hag is the creepiest monster you've probably never heard of. The lore of the Boo Hag originates from the Gullah. That was an African-American tradition from the coasts of North and South Carolina's Gullah culture. If you've ever been to historic Charleston City Market at One Market Street, you may have seen the beautiful woven sweet grass blankets. According to scares and haunts of Charleston, it's important to recognize the slaves of other regions. American Indians, Asians, et cetera, did not exist in those days. But by the mid-1700s, Africans were the majority by far. They were highly desired and with good reason. In addition to being skilled carpenters and masons, Africans knew how to farm. And in particular, they knew how to cultivate rice, an important part of Charleston's agricultural commerce. The Creole language known as Gullah was derived from the slaves communicating secretly across the islands. The Gullah believed that a person has a spirit and a soul. Once a person has departed, if the spirit was good, they ascend to heaven. But if it's bad, it lingers here and becomes a Boo Hag. According to the legends, Boo Hag's are similar to vampires, unlike vampires, they don't sustain themselves on blood. Instead, they gain sustenance by getting breath. So by like riding the person's chest and inhaling their breath. Okay, that's, yeah, I've seen a picture of that. Yes, so this is... It's like someone eating someone's soul, essentially. Yes, essentially, and that's kind of what it is. They have no skin of their own. So thus, they are red, sticky, corp-sy, muscly people. And they don't walk around on this form all the time. In order to maintain the facade of normality, they'll wear a skin suit, kind of like how we wear clothes. And they'll often wear the same one until it, well, falls apart. Now, where do they get the skin suit? They typically will pick somebody who is younger or vibrant because a Boo Hag is not going to kill you immediately. They will actually stay with the same person for weeks, sometimes years, just eating off of them. Well, it's a classic Hag thing anyway, is to appear as like a young, beautiful woman to lure men to their deaths. Absolutely. That was my next, next, next thing. So a Hag, traditionally a Hag is like you said, an old woman or a fairy or goddess that appears as an old woman. In Western culture, it's kind of synonymous with a witch, although the cauldron-stirring broom-riding variety, the will not the cauldron-stirring broom-riding variety. And it's considered malevolent. Other cultures, however, the Hag may simply be a chosen form of a shapeshifting deity, such as the morrigan. Yes, from Celtic lore. Yes. So, Hag's are not always yucky old women. Sometimes they're young, beautiful witchy bitches. Witchy bitches? Witchy bitches. So what do they do? So they take off their skin before they go riding. Once a Boo Hag has picked out a victim, they enter their home through a small crack, even the smallest crack or a keyhole. They're very quiet. You'll never know they're there. They sneak in while you're sleeping and they creep around your house until they find you asleep in your bed. The Hag will sit on your chest and suck your breath. This renders the victim helpless. Often the Boo Hag will return over and over to the same person and slowly drain their energy. Victims will often awaken, feeling short of breath or tired, but otherwise okay. If a victim struggles or inconveniences the Boo Hag, she may skin him alive. She may shit on his chest. She may shit on his chest? It's not Amber Heard. What? We're talking about the Boo Hag's life. Boo Hag's life. She would shit in the bed. This is like a common thing with cats or belief about cats that they will sit on an infant's chest and steal their breath. Which is actually more likely attributed to maybe cats accidentally smothering infants in their cribs. I mean ours are fat enough to do that. It's true though. Boo Hacks are drawn to people with a lot of life or energy because they can use them longer. It can also be attributed to the age old don't talk to strangers because anyone could be a Boo Hag. So for example you would tell children don't talk to someone you don't know they might be a Boo Hag. And it seemed to work. Reportedly after the Boo Hag has sucked every life out of your lungs, it will slip into your skin and use your body as a muse all through the night. There's a lot of steamy stuff going on here. But they must get back in their skin by sun up or else they'll go without their skin forever. I mean I guess they can get a new skin, huh? They can get a new skin. But that skin is worthless. But they have to be back in their skin by night. If not, there's all kinds of bad stuff. If not, your husband will go get a clergyman or whatever and he'll come back and put you in a boiling pot of bitch. Well yeah, I mean as one does. And you can tell, so there are signs that you could tell there's a Boo Hag nearby. So something you may look for would be the air becoming hot and damp, which this is the deep south. So like that's every day. Yeah, everyone's a Boo Hag. We're all Boo Hag's here. And you may smell something rotting. Makes sense with a corpse. So there is a thing called a Boo Daddy. A Boo Daddy. And I did not make that up. What? And this is not a sugar daddy. This is really called a Boo Daddy. What? And I have to send a huge thank you to Strix from Urban Dictionary because I was having a hard time finding info about the Boo Daddy. Strix is also a cryptid. Well, I guess it's a creature of myth anyway. Yes. And fun fact, the Urban Dictionary is a treasure trove of all kinds of crazy sh**. Boo Daddy. A Boo Daddy. A Boo Daddy. So there's a few different types of Boo Daddy. Like it's called a Boo Daddy, but it may be... Okay, we are talking about the Boo Daddy. We're talking about the Boo Daddy right now. I was wondering if we might skip over the Boo Daddy and not talk about the Boo Daddy. We're going to talk about the Boo Daddy. So there's different kinds. So a Boo Daddy can be, so it's like a protection talisman called a Boo Daddy. Okay. Well, it's also, we'll get there. Hold on. There's like a few different varieties. Okay, so it can be a talisman. I've got that. Boo varieties, if you will. So the Boo Daddy is made of a mixture of marsh, mud, Spanish moss, wheat grass, and saltwater. Once formed by the Conjure Doctor, the Boo Daddy is incubated inside of a marsh oyster. Boo Daddy's renew their power every month under the full moon by going back to drink the nectar from the marsh oysters. A magic talisman can be carried around or worn to keep hags away. But then another version, according to Sit News, Boo Daddy's have large heads and shapeless bodies. They can fly through solid objects and can protect you from a variety of evil spirits. The more Boo Daddy's you have, the better protected you are. Some sources say Boo Daddy is like a scary man. So kind of like a boogeyman, a Boo Daddy. Gotcha. Other sources say that's what the hags lover is called. Boo Daddy. Boo Daddy. The Boo Daddy. Clay, you're my Boo Daddy. So this is my idea of that when you said Boo Daddy, this is the image that cropped up into my mind. Oh my God, I'm so excited. It's like Christmas. Okay. So if we can imagine like the Crip Keeper for a moment, right? Right. And what he looks like. But also what he does for you, which is provides you with spooky stories. Oh, he's my Boo Daddy. So he's your Boo Daddy, right? But he's like ripped. Yes. He's this jet mummy who tells you spooky stories and gives you your favorite. Crazy. Gives you your fix. You go to your Boo Daddy for the spooky stories. I was holding on to that the whole time you're talking about these other Boo Daddies. And I'm like, no, that's not a Boo Daddy. I'll take that. No, that's not a Boo Daddy. Free socks to whoever can send us some fan fiction of a Boo Daddy, please. In a folk tale about the Boo Hag from North Carolina, the Boo Daddy was a demon that would fed a victim that was lured to death by the Boo Hag. The latter took the form of a beautiful woman and married a young man whom she'd met at a dance. She disappeared every night and the man didn't find out what she was until he saw a woman who worked with hoodoo magic. Seeing the town's traveling priests had moved on to the next parish. Had he not destroyed the hag, she would have fed him to the Boo Daddy. But this is just one story about Boo Haggs. And there's a very, that's a variation from Georgia. So it's like the coastal islands around Georgia, South Carolina is mostly where the Gullah culture is most alive and well. What you really need, you don't need a childish Boo Daddy. You need to get yourself a good refined Boo Father. Boo Father? Yes. I never knew my Boo Father. Would you tell Boo Dad jokes? No. That's no good. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not a Boo Daddy. I'm a Boo Man. Oh my. So the Urban Dictionary, like I said, this is a treasure trove. I learned all kinds of weird crazy stuff on Urban Dictionary. Urban Dictionary describes a Boo Daddy as someone you're talking to and care a lot about, but you're not in a relationship with it. Okay, so this is a much more modern day. Right. So that's kind of what I was. So not a Boo, not a Boo thing, but specifically a Boo Daddy. Right, right. We'll be right back with more Pet Candy. I love my fur babies so much, but when they're stressed out, it makes me stressed out. Mine hate loud noises like thunderstorms and fireworks, and sometimes they just don't want to be left home alone. To help keep your dog's calm and moments of stress, use Brave Paw's anxiety and stress support chewables for dogs. These plant-based chewables promote calm behavior with natural ingredients that have been clinically studied. Did I mention they're fast-acting and non-drowsy? I especially love that the natural ingredients are sustainably sourced. How cool is that? Want to learn more? Check out MyBravePawz.com. Your dog will be happy you did. So it's also a slang term for boogers. Oh nice. Like you got Boo Daddies in your nose. Boo Daddies? That sounds extremely Cajun to say. Boo Daddies. Oh you got someone having Boo Daddies. It sounds like Boo Dan. It kind of sounds like Boo Dan. Boo Dan, if anyone's not in the sound. We're like crawdads. Yeah, crawdads. But boogers. Yeah, you got craw-booger-dads. Craw-boo daddies. Oh, let's go eat some like Louisiana food this weekend. That sounds good. Louise, okay, so Boo Dan is a kind of sausage that's stuffed with jambalaya and it's delicious. And blood. And blood. According to NorthCarolinaGhost.com, a condroman, sometimes called a conjured doctor or a root worker, is someone experienced in the art of hoodoo, an African American magical and spiritual tradition. Condroman can help not only with dealing with hags and other supernatural entities, but a good condroman is knowledgeable in spells to help with such mundane matters as finding love, a good job, or winning a court case. Boo is a living tradition and there are root workers practicing in North Carolina to this day. I imagine in other places as well. Probably so. And it kind of reminds me of people who work with crystals. Yeah, I mean, it's very mystic. It is. We love a crystal. Well, you're mortally. I love crystals. I love them. So there are ways. So now we know what a boo hag is. We know where it comes from. What can you do to keep it out of your house? I was hoping you'd play along and say, what can you do? Well, I was actually trying to think of a way to keep a boo hag out of my house. I guess one, not have a chimney or any cracks in my house. Okay, that is correct. Not even the tiniest, little bittiest crack. Does my butt crack count? Yes. Oh, no, she can shoot out of that. She will crawl right up the ship. I think we should maybe not record. So you're saying it's possible for a boo hag to crawl out of my butt crack? It is. Like she's a hound of tendalos or something. You don't understand that. That's a D&D reference. I don't, but I just, I still love it. I appreciate it. So any crack, even a butt crack, the boo hag can get into your home. Yeah, the slightest, the tiniest crack. So kind of think like in aliens where there's that little hole and they suck out the whole monster, they can kind of do that, but the tiniest crack. That alien did die from his body being ripped apart by explosive decompression. But this, the boo hag, decompression? No. Okay, this is probably a poor example. I mean, that's what I'm saying though. Like this is the tiniest hole though. It can like get in there. All right. So you're saying they're like Santa Claus. Oh, nice. They're like Santa Claus. So even if you don't have a chimney, he can swoice right in there. Swice right in there. That's right. But how can you, how can you seriously keep a boo hag out of your house? All you have to do is lay a broom across your front door. Interesting. Don't have a broom? Well, that's weird. But a hairbrush or a kitchen colander will also do the trick. Wait, hold on. I kind of understand like a hairbrush but a kitchen colander. But for real though, everybody, can we just talk about how great brave pause is? We got a free sample. We did. We're going to be completely transparent with you. We did. We got some free stuff and it works. Yeah. I was a little surprised. Like I'm not going to lie, you get this stuff and it doesn't really seem like a typical pet treat, right? Right. But we gave it to our pets and they gobbled them right up. They do. They do. And it's nice because it's like you give so many pills per pound. So you don't have to buy like three different sizes. You know, our little guy gets a half of one. Our big one gets three. And he loves it. He makes them like a treat. Now being plant based, you're kind of like, ooh, are they going to like it? Right. That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's dry and sort of leafy. And like I said, it just doesn't. Normally when you get a pet treat, it's kind of like moist and squishy. But you know, they don't usually eat those, I found. Well, that's because ours are extremely picky, which is why it was so surprising they ate these. Exactly. And we got more than one dog. We're going to be for real with y'all. But they eat it and they eat it well. And it worked. It does. We live in the deep South, AKA Satan's armpit, and it storms and rains at least once a week, like at least once a week we're under some kind of watch like a hurricane watch. That's a Tuesday. And our dogs are weenies. So when it starts like with the lightning and the rain and everything, they freak out. They do. They do. We really put these to the test. Right. And I did not think that they would work like they did. Exactly. As well as they do. And this is a non-prescription. You don't have to go to the vet and get it. It's not going to knock them out. It's not a sedative. It's just a calming support. And it does. We had lightning hit very close to our house. Within a mile. It rattled our windows. It was scary. I was even scared. I love bad weather. And we gave everybody their happy pills and they put the brave paws on and everybody laid down and went to sleep and it was fine. Yeah. So like we don't have to do this part of the commercial, right? Like we've done the ad read and we've goofed around. But like this is, we wouldn't lie to you. We would at least not record this part if it didn't work and we didn't actually. Exactly. And we're both in the animal industry and we have been for years and years. So we would not tell you about a product if we did not believe in it ourselves. Yeah. It absolutely worked for us. So. Maybe it'll work for you. Go check it out. Mybravepaws.com. Go put your brave paws on. Brave paws give your pet the courage they need to weather the storm. Okay. A boob hag can slip into the house through the keyhole, but if she sees a broom, she has to stop and count every straw on that broom. Oh, classic. So this is kind of your classic Sylvan very tight. But here's the thing. Like brooms don't necessarily have an ass ton of bristles on them. Like you can feasibly count the straws on a broom. Yeah. And sometimes they're very, very fast at counting. Yeah. And sometimes if that's their like only weakness, I would definitely try to cover for that. For sure. But so the idea is that by the time she's done, Dawn will have come and she has to return to her friend. I believe like 40 brooms. That smart. You should do that. A sieve or a container, a strainer will also work because she needs to count all the holes or. See, that's less than the broom though. That's what I thought too. Or you can drop an ass ton of mustard seeds and they have to pick them all up. Salt is also a good repellent. But unless you salt anyone that you seems that seems suspicious, it pretty much be socially impossible to do this. And you'd be charged with assault. Assault. Yes, the joke. You wanted me to tell a dad joke and I did. So I believe we should start a movement. We should normalize salting strangers. I just wanted you to think of how that would play out. I mean, I don't know if I'd be best friends with a person if they just threw me through salt at me because I'd be like, man, that's freaky and creepy and hey, we're best friends now. Or if I'd be like, what if they're like, oh, I was just spelling ghosts that were around you. I'd be like this cloud of salt. Be like, that's weird. Can you also pour just a little bit on my cucumber speed? But if you salt and pepper the skin while the hag is out, they won't be able to crawl back into their skin. I would just throw it in the fireplace or something. That's the only thing that can destroy the skin is salt and pepper. He's like, no, so many things can destroy skin. That's fair and skin is not the toughest. She comes back and you're holding the skin and she's like, you give that back and it's like, no, this is over. And it's like, no, what are you doing? It's like, yes, I'm not moisturizing it. And then it just crumbles. Salt and pepper the skin. They can't get back in. Boo hags are repelled by the color indigo. Well, that's weird. Well, one source I read did say Robin's egg blue, but it's pretty much just in general the color blue. They don't like it. Yeah, that'd be real mess up if you're like in a full suit of that color. And then the boo hacks like that's going to do nothing to me. That's not indigo. That's like, I don't know, I was trying to think of a basqueur, friggin color. That's periwinkle. That's periwinkle. Not indigo. That is a Caribbean blue. And that's not going to do it. He's like, oh, that's a royal purple. I'm afraid that is not going to cut it. Right. So I would think the best way to repel a boo hag would actually to give to be to give yourself gingivitis. And then she wouldn't want to steal your breath. You can always paint the outside of your home and the tops of your window cells indigo blue. In fact, a lot of your older homes because this kind of not all hags, but many different hags and spirits are repelled by the color blue. So a lot of your older homes, you will see a lot of things painted blue. So your window cells, your, your ceiling. That's also a common thing to paint the ceiling of your porch, a light blue, which would confuse insects. Yeah, it really does. Keep mothia. Yeah. Keep motha porch. So before we wrap it up, there's this saying in South Carolina, don't let the hag ride you, which I thought was fun. And boo hags are commonly associated with sleep paralysis. Yeah. No, that makes sense. I was actually kind of thinking about paralysis all the time. Yeah. And the big part of the boo hag is that if you wake up, you can do nothing. She's still going to take your breath because you're paralyzed. Now isn't this similar to a succubus? If I'm not entirely mistaken, I think they do the same thing. They're very similar, but the boo hag is specific to the Gullah culture. And incubus makes shitty music. Don't. So that's the boo hag. And there it is. There it is. But, Clay, before we go. I do want to ask you a would you rather. Are you ready? Okay, I can't. Okay. Would you rather shit your pants and run off the doctor that you really, really idolize? Hold on. Let me, let me think about that for a second. Let me sort of visualize what that might be like because I've never seen that happen to somebody who might be, say, three feet away from me. So okay, I've got that. So would you rather go swim? Swimming in the Loch Ness at midnight on Friday the 13th or go skiing in the Alaska triangle. Probably swimming in the Loch Ness. Same. I might die in the Alaska Triangle. Yeah, no, for real. Alaska Triangle. Loch Ness has some things, I think, in there that might would like inflict some sort of damage to you, but I don't think anything's really going to kill me like the Alaska Triangle will. Which will absolutely, statistically kill my ass dead. Same. I agree. Also, I don't think I would enjoy skiing. I think it would be fun, like maybe once, but I don't feel like it's something I'd want to go do all the time. Now, swimming in the Loch Ness, I'd probably be like, Nessie, come nibble my tooth. Well, that's weird. I would be freaked out though. And honestly, not because of the potential for Nessie to show up, but rather because I know there's a whole bunch of underwater caverns and tunnels and stuff at the bottom, and that just kind of freaks me out. Yeah, and there's eels. There's other, like there's wild, there's fish and stuff. I'm not a fan of eels. I don't like eels. I think they're cool to look at. We went swimming one time. I was on a trip with my parents. I don't remember where it was exactly. Maybe it was in Florida or something, but there was like this thing that you could swim like two miles along, like snorkeling over this coral reef. And two things about that. One, two miles is an extremely long distance to swim. Did not think it would be. I was like, oh, that's kind of like walking, but I can take a break in the middle of it. That's not quite the truth. Like you have to actively swim forward all the time for two miles. But also I couldn't stop thinking about like how close I was to the coral reef because of the refraction of the water. I made it feel like I was closer than I really was. Right. I'd love to do that. Something with the whale shark. But I was, they talked about like eels and stuff being in there. So like don't try to poke around. Right. And I was so worried and the eels just gonna like come out and get my. Do you remember the eel and Mario 64, that giant ass? Yeah. That's probably why I was so terrified of these eels that would not have done anything to me. Yeah. Unless I actually went invading their privacy. I literally always ran into that eel and it scared me. Yeah. I couldn't do that whole level actually because I knew it was in there. Yeah. I like water, but like water and video games I do not like. That's probably Tomb Raider's fault because there was like this, this whole rendus and death animation. And I was like, I don't know if you drowned in Tomb Raider where she'd like convulse and twitch and it was extremely graphic for like a teen rated game. Oh wow. I know in Zelda when Link would drown it would, he would kind of like grab it as a certain stone. Yeah. No, this, she was like spasming. It was realistic or at least too realistic as far as I remember. Well, especially to child. Yeah. Excuse me. Underwater and video games, I do that on purpose I think. They make it way scarier than it needs to be. Like in Sonic 2, if you're running out of breath underwater, it like start that countdown. I was like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, and like it keeps getting faster until you would just die instantly. And it was like this rising panic that I could die at any second. Yep. Yeah, I don't think about it. Like every time I've been underwater in a video game I've hated it. I like swimming though. I like just one of the whale sharks. We got on a tangent. We did. I was worried for you about the whale sharks, even though I know they weren't going to do anything. I wasn't scared of the whale sharks or of the, the big rays, but it was those little shitty black tip reef sharks. Right, yeah. They would like swim up and take a nipple just to be an asshole. Yeah, they would like come up and be like, you go away and they'd be like, okay. But they're like really fast zippy little things. It's like, ah, you will bite, you are carnivorous. They probably feed them before that though. Oh, I'm sure. And they're so well fed. There were these like really cool gold. They weren't goldfish, but they were fish that were gold. Right, I remember seeing those. And I was like, go away, I want a whale shark. Then I was like, I don't mean that. Come back little fishy babies. So then I was like, I don't want to be a fishy babies. There's a whale shark. We got a phone quite a tangent here. We did. It has been a traumatic night. What you gonna talk about next week? Something really cool. Cool, I'm excited. And everybody, maybe there's gonna be a Baba Yaga episode coming up, we don't know, we'll see. Yeah, well I can't do it next because you just did one on a hag. I just did a hag. Yeah, you just did a hag. But. No, no. We'll be right back with more pet candy. Hi, this is Shay and I want to tell you about my new show on pet candy, cooking with Shay. I make vegan eating easy and fun. Check it out on Pet Candy TV. Guess what I'm doing for my next one. And I'll go ahead and tell y'all because it's the most wonderful time of the year. It's nowhere close to Christmas. How dare you? It's Shark Week, which is better than Christmas. Oh, but it gets a Christmas theme. Because it's the most wonderful time of the year. So you're gonna do a Megalodon? I'm gonna do a Megalodon. Okay. Yep, it's happening. I just knew. It's crappin' in peeps thing. It's pet candy. Pet candy. Pet candy. It's pet candy radio.