Spittin' Chiclets Episode 612 Featuring: Barret Jackman

Hey, spit and chicklets listas. You could find every episode on Apple Podcasts in Spotify. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Bostal sports. I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined a spit chicklets podcast full time. No, little bit. Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now. I just want to land back or get there on camera. He can't be. The song man. Hey, it's a full time member. Marley just gotten us this from Chris B. Whoa, where buzzing right now? So long. Welcome to episode 612 of the spit and chicklets podcast presented by pink Whitney. I love talking about pink Whitney. Biz, you were in Buffalo. We're going to talk about that. I know pink Whitney was there. I know pink Whitney's going to be a fox bro from an enormous game between the paths and Texans on Sunday afternoon. And I hope pink Whitney, wherever you are, wherever you like to enjoy a little alcohol, pink Whitney's by your side. It's a beach right now in Florida with, yeah, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter if you're, I'm going skiing this weekend. I'm going to be shredding. I'm going to take a video. I'm going to ask your guys opinion on what you think of my shredding abilities, but I'll be having pink Whitney top. Now I told you the last time I went skiing, I bring a bunch of nips and I start chucking them around. I actually make sure that kids are 21 too. I asked to see IDs at the top of the mountain. That's, that's the correct thing to do with your name on the bottle. So shout out pink Whitney, shout out to Amsterdam and shout out you two, guys. It's great. The way it is. I got it. It's just not to drink. I, you can rub it on your ass cheeks and it helps when you have black and blue ass cheeks as well. So it's a multi-purpose drink that those look like they hurt, but if anyone doesn't know, Biz said a while back, he'd be between the benches for flyers sabers on January 13th. And if the sabers won, Rob Ray was allowed to paddle him at center Well, the sabers won again. All they do is really win. It seems like and you took not one, but two days to confuse paddles to the ass cheeks. The first one was a little light. So I said, all right, give, give one more big one for the fans that stuck around to watch this. And the, the challenge was was not only did they have to win the game, but they had to be inside of a playoff spot. Well, who do they fucking leapfrog? The Toronto Maple Leafs, the bubble bottle of wild card. So it was a great night for sabers fans. And I will say, I am not hopping on the wagon, but you are a wagon and what a, what a great night. So I guess I get you on this start off with a thank yous, Jans. Uh, yeah, yeah, we go 40 minutes. Who were you think besides the game? Well, first of all, you guys, like part of the storyline and everything that's been in the original, this podcast. So you guys on Tyler Lasseter is a guy behind the scenes at TNT who, when, we come up with these ideas, like he helps put them to life. So he's got to organize the camera crew. He's got to account for the shot list. He comes in with like humorous bits, like where like I'm saying, hey, I think we should go at talk it from a different angle and it's not just interview and normal. Like let's maybe go with the between two ferns angle and like add some fuckery and like see if we can get talk buzzing and talk was incredible, man. He was fucking, he was coming in with so many bangers. He's always on his toes. So he helps with facilitate all of it. And when you're doing a shoot day like that, so we filmed that in the day before the game and then half of the day of the game to get them all the bits, right? Like go around town, get the B roll, you know, get me walking, get my parents there, get the bus there and like coordinate all that stuff. So it's not easy, man. So credit to Tyler and he's been involved in like all the bits, like the the eyes are pan, the, the, the hanks children's book. So yeah, I thought that like he's helped out so much and I thought that everything turned out amazing. And what did you guys think from a viewer standpoint if I can hand off for you guys? Well, I said it on the group chat. It was, it was funnier than anything. SNL has done in 25 years. Probably I thought it was amazing. Obviously the chem with you and talk is great. But even you and Razer, I thought Razer was unreal. Was that actually the player shooting on you? Did that, did they come out and do that? Yeah. That's awesome. That's great. So the guy's even mixing some real pox. Why, why was watching with me? He was, he thought he thought you were done. He said he's going to the hospital. He's going to the hospital. I'm like, no, I think they're fake pucks. Then I'm like, I wish Darlene grabbed a regulation of real pock old school and just ripped one right off your nose. But I did think it looked like it could hurt because you did fall on the ice with your arm taped to the chair. That didn't look like it felt great. I think I cockied myself. I felt my hands tied on this side of my head and they, yeah, I was, I went black for the quick second, but that's happened probably a hundred times. Throw my career. You just called Barry Jackman, Tim Jackman for 45 minutes. So yeah, you might have a concussion. Yeah, we have Barry Jackman. When did I call them Tim at the end, joking. I think he thought you thought he was Rick Jackman. Then we went into Tim, but it was Barry, the newest member of the St. Louis, Louis Hall. Buddy, we, we brought up Tim Jackman from the time in Pittsburgh. That's why I called him Tim. Oh, that's Rick. Oh, oh, Tim's the one from Keith. That's right. Okay. He's definitely cocky. He's definitely cocky. Oh, he's definitely cocky. Yeah, I got, I got a black and blue ass. I got no brain cells left. I'm holding up five. They're all five of them on the screen right there. I said, hands. Oh, I got to ask you, did you give talk the line of about the Irish, the, the, the, the Houston's in that was all talked. That's pretty good. That's all talked, baby. That is all talk. Hey, but you mentioned it to Rob Ray, man. He was great. He played an incredible villain in that with it. Well, I guess he would be the hero in this game. You were the villain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was the villain. It worked out perfectly because when we were thinking of a bit, I'm like, oh, fuck, I feel bad because like when I come in between the benches, like, now he gets like pigeon toss to the top. Brod Ray, man, this guy's in the sabers, like Ring of Honor. And you know, he's fucking nailed on the show. So I got to make sure. So I mentioned I said, Hey, why don't we reach out and see if he can play this bit? Well, when we get there and I'm like, why don't we tee it up by being like, how the hell is this guy in the Ring of Honor? He was the last picture on the wall. So we're going through the list and it's just so how, so it just kind of was all meant to be and came together perfectly. And look once again, just thank you to not only like that Tyler Lasseter, but everybody at TNT, the panel for playing in the bit, we had armed dog on the chair, a panger. It was actually supposed to be Rick bonus, but then he got hired. So panger had to do it back to back in that chair. But and thank you to the Buffalo Sabers also for playing along. And they rolled out the red carpet. They got a suite for my mom and dad. They had the Shirkuduri boards out like my mom and dad were like, Oh, these shit. We got treated like kings and queens in there. So all in all a great night. And I don't know if there's anything else to you guys want to ask about it. But I have a couple other things. Okay. Did you see the Gidele clown nose bisonette version up in the, that was amazing. It said online that you got booed when you were on the big screen. I couldn't really hear it that well. There was a loud boo. Oh, yeah. It was, it was loud enough. There was, you couldn't, you couldn't hear many if any cheers. It was all mostly booze and that was a section of St. Samson. They got the big, the big St. Samson up there. It's one of the top sections all the way to the end and the upper bowl. And then they put the same size biz clown nose. So yeah, they were not, they were not holding back and rightfully so it was, it was a great night. How did, how did you enjoy being in between the benches? I know that's the first time you've done it, right? It was, it was fun. So I'm glad you brought that up. Brendan Burke, a guy that I was, he was doing a play calling when I was at the East Coast. My second season with the Wheeling nailers. So talk about coming full circle. You got a guy who went from the coast. He was unreal back then and he always had a great, like a great voice to call play by play and obviously very professional and how we prepared crazy at the fact in kind of like we talked about with Bob heathouse. When you go in at the ECH level, your book and hotel rooms, your selling ads. So very cool to see him start at the bottom and climb his way all the way to the top and then forget to get to do my first game between the benches with him. So that was very special and obviously like just like bear Jack when making Revo's life easier as a veteran. As you're going to hear in these, these interviews coming up like him and Jody took me under their wing. So thank you to them and Jody's obviously a, a, a pro's pro and shockingly enough talking about first. He was my first ever fight when I play with the Phoenix coyotes. We were in San Jose, buddy. I was scared shitless to fight that guy. Wow. That was my first. I was big dude. Oh, dude. And he caught a right like halfway through the fight and fell and I fell on top of him. So I'm like, oh God. Yes, it looks good on camera. That's all I needed. The guys think I'm actually tough here. And then boom, Joinky to your deal. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Thanks a lot, Jody. People were wondering army brought up. Like I wonder what's on his notes. I can let everyone know who were watching on Netflix. This was his note, you know, the thing. This was what Biz had on his notes for the game. Will you be doing more in between the benches and second thing? Congrats. A big announcement by TNT. Oh, yeah. I thought you resigned last year, but you've you've resigned with TNT. Yeah. It happened in the summer and I don't know. I thank you boys. And once again, like that doesn't happen if not for you. And then once again, all the other amazing people at TNT to keep this thing going. Yeah, it happened in the summer. I feel like they thought that was a time to announce it. I'm not really one to like want to care to announce that. That type of stuff. But once again, like honored to be a part of it and a crazy, a crazy run. It's been with them and just grateful. Grateful for everybody I get to work with. And what about between the benches? Is that better, not better, but will you do that more than in studio? I don't think so. And I have so much respect for guys that do it. I know army does it a lot with the penguins and then also army does it. He's a Swiss army knife where he bounces between the panel and that. I definitely view that. I get I think it's harder because especially when you don't get a good game towards the end of the game where maybe you're running at a steam a little bit. If they want to do something like that that we just did maybe three, four times a year, I would I would love it. But I'd like being in the chair in studio and once again, have a ton of respect for guys who call games like Edzo, probably at the top of the game, Bush, Jodie, I mean, we have amazing people at TNT ESPN's got great people, but that is like what they do in game, breaking down the clips, you know, putting it on the talk back, being like, cut this for me right now while still consuming the game. I don't think people realize how much brain power goes into it. And I would anybody online, like, you know, Yanzi or say these people are fucking miserable and all they do is tweet negativity. I would love to see somebody who tweets negativity towards these guys who do it, pick them up, yank, and in there for a game and just fucking let the other miserable fucks on Twitter, have that with them to see what it's like. You you had the ability to do it with Brendan and Jodie. So you're third, like when you're doing it as when it's played by play and then you're the color guy, Anna between the benches, that has to be, you know, because then you're you're talking not much more, right? Like you were kind of throw it down to you as opposed to like when it's just two guys. So great job. Great job by you. I would love to see you do it. I think that you would be great at it. I've done one game is FDNY versus NYPD. And I was able to swear, I believe. So I don't that it was a lot of fun. I'll say that being down ice level was really cool. But I don't know. I would love to do that. Yeah, it's something that just like seems pretty fun. And you did a great job. Final thing about that. Yeah. And just quickly going to Yanz about Yanz doing it. Well, even you too, like, especially when it comes like power play and stuff that you specialize in, the little things that you can explain to fans that like I wouldn't be able to be or let's say there's a little bit of a law and you're talking about a certain play and bring it back to like, Oh, I remember when, you know, Ed Jovonoski pulled me aside. And sometimes when you get these laws in the game, filling it with storytelling and personal experience goes a long way. So that's why I'd love to see even more like more current guys that are coming in, coming out of playing an into retirement, try it out. I try to get in there. Even if it's at like a college level for a game to get your feet wet, like just just to try it out. So yeah, it's true. Cause even like there was, there was a little play. I think they scored in whoever it was on Buffalo in front of the net. Like, push it off in the demon. Yeah, God opened in like the way that you were able to cause people don't see that, right? Like how the guy got open. It was like a good little breakdown. Oh, yeah. For like Quinn, like coming out, like just not staying. What's the word I'm looking for? Like complacent like where he was at the top of the crease where stagnant, complete. Yeah, stagnant and then popping out to give that lane. Also, the other one where like Samuelsen, I thought that Connecti did a good job of like basically showing past to the guy in the slot. And although the that strong side for was dropping down to help Samuelsen, he went from protecting that past back door to Zegress to then just quickly moving it to protect the slot pass and then connect me as soon as he's noticed that he had Samuelsen biting back door to Zegress. So being at ice level, you just have so much more respect for how fast these guys are making these split second decisions and just it's. Tage Thompson looked like he was seven feet tall just out there like a gazelle. I was like holy fuck. He might be on skates. I think he's what is he six, six, 10 on skates? Man, it was crazy seeing him move out there. Samuelsen is huge and not only tall, but thick. He was just he threw around each God that one shift just like a man beast. Own power, very impressive. If we want to kind of hop into what I'm seeing from the Buffalo Sabers boys, I think like I was critical of them about their D being soft early in the season. I was like, they got to get. And I think they've drastically improved on that. But I feel like the teams realize of how much skill set they have. And when they jump in the play, how hard it is for other teams forward to be like, who the fuck is who and where are all these guys going? Where the forwards cover so well for the D where there was a shift where Byron hopped in. He was below the goal line and normally guys will, you know, once that opportunity is over with and it's on the other guy's stick as a demon. You tend to sprint back to your point and then the guy who's covering then hops in. Well, there's probably about two, three seconds where you might not have that support from the guy where then it's easier for that defending team to close. Get it turned over and boom, move quick where no, Byron would stay in on the play and that demon would know to just stay playing D at the top. Like you saw it with Dahlene where a couple of time he was by the goal line and he wasn't really in a rush to get out. So it's it's it's one thing to have like an error Carlson, one D on a team who does that. But to have Byron who's comfortable doing it, Samuelson was doing it. Maybe not as much, but definitely joining in the rush for sure on power. Does it and then of course, Dahlene, so they got four guys boys who played kind of like you guys did where free reigns have added and all those forwards are no to back them up. So I really think it helps them in realizing that to now they're pumping in three, four goals, most games. That's probably like the old school mentality of Lindy Ruff. Like remember the coaches, you know, always having a third guy high, the top guy has to fill in for the demon, but also like him knowing how the game is now where you need both the active guys. You know, it's basically a five man unit. So good for him. If you're, you know, adapting, you know, doing stuff differently and keeping some of the old school and a nightmare for a week side forwards in the D zone. Just you're just constantly head on on a swivel and then you're you're in that like, Oh, do I go stage or do I not the defenseman's like, Oh, do I roll up with that, like that forward where exactly does the switch go off? Like playing as a Buffalo Sabers, I would understand why you would be like Rob Brindamore and Caroline and go strictly man on man. Just let's take the confusion right out of it and go man to man. But yeah, example is on that Dahlene goal, the goal that he scored when he came down the wall like that's kind of that in between areas. So that's a prime example of where the forward can get lost. Don't know where to go. And then he makes one move and scores. It's a special atmosphere in Buffalo right now. Very happy for those fans. Final thing I'll add. They've talked a lot of about culture building something above. A Buffalo. We want guys who actually want to be there. Sign Alex. Tuck sign Alex. Tuck. I know he wants a lot of money. Yeah, he's a little bit older. So the contract, it's not like signing you a 25 year old, 24 year old. I think the way he plays the way he skates the contract, it won't age great. The last couple years. But with what you're trying to build there, he loves it there. He's from New York like sign Alex. Tuck and I and I really think that if you trade him, it goes back into these past few years above, Buffalo where you're getting rid of good players. They go on to have success. I know it's a lot of money. I'm thinking if I'm the arm, I'm signing this guy. Yeah. So you made that face, Pizz. You got to have guys that want to be there and he does. No, no, the next grindhard or I go move if they do it. Yeah. So no doubt. I'm in 1000% agreement with you. He's able to get the eight year deal before the new CBA kicks in. I think that if 10 or North of 10 is what he wants, he has them by the balls because they need him more than he needs them. If I said that correctly, what would my CTE? And but but if I would also because of that extra year and you said it, the contract's not going to age great. You're getting we're providing you with an eight year contract with comfort. I feel like if he could give him a bit of a hometown discount in the nine range, that's where it should land because you know, I culture guy, great guy in a top six can play with the big time players is not intimidated, comfortable there. He's a New York guy. I just think 10 is extremely high for for what? I feel like you could be you should be able to drive your own line if you're making 10. And I don't know if that's where he's at in his career. I feel like he's an incredible fill in piece. I think he's a I think he's a 30 and 30 guy type guy that should be making. If you got if he gave him a hometown deal of like eight times eight and a half, I think that that would be great for both sides. Biz, here's the thing. They they are the same him and Kenpier, the same age. And if you look at the numbers, Kenpier is a 41 goal season. He's only got 15 this year. Like I think that I think well, one like Kenphe has playoff experience. He's like played. What he did he did. He did he did with the Vegas, but I'm saying is like the last three years, like you've seen what Adrian Kenphe is able to do not only in the regular season, but also when playoffs speed wise, he's faster on I'm pretty sure Kenphe penalty kills pretty aggressively. I believe talk does as well. If you want to say they're the same player. Sure. Sure. I got it's hard to argue. I think Kenphe is maybe a little bit more dynamic and being impactful just him. Like so I think you could drive his own line, but good good cop, great comp. The other one thing I was going to mention like outside of the obvious for them, I suck to see Norris not come out for the third period. You can't you can't lose him. I know you shake your head like that with I saw him after the game. I said, Hey, I hope it's not too bad. He's a gal. Well, we'll reevaluate tomorrow. It didn't sound promising the way he reacted, but not something that would be long term. And just Josh don't. So he Josh don't leads the NHL and takeaways. Some people might be like, ah, that's like a hard to keep track of blah, blah, blah, whatever you're fucking excuses. But if you're watching games, you saw the one against Anaheim, Ozone led to a goal. And then in the neutral zone yesterday where he picked off, I believe it was Trevor's Egris to go the other way like his 200 foot game and what he's doing right now. Like that is seeing him shift in shift. That's a type of guy where if he ends up being like an 80 85 point guy, he could end up with a selfie on the side. Just how hard he plays the where you think, Hans? I agree. It's just like the hustle that he shows on the back check, the commitment to playing the 200 foot game is very impressive from from a young kid. But I think it's also he's been around the league so long his whole life that he knows what it takes, but to buy in and do it. And you can tell it's wearing off on other players to other guys are doing it. He's not the only guy in the team doing it. So I think what he's doing defensively, offensively helping that team out has been amazing. And I completely agree with you that it could translate into a selky nominee type player. And you just said it like what's the one thing with that? You've probably looked at like Buffalo. Oh, yeah, like high flying can score, but like fuck man, they open the game up. But it's it's pretty one dimensional as far as the offense where you just set a yand how do you have a guy that you trade for in the off season? He's never played a full season in NHL. Now he's leading the league and takeaways. And you're seeing him do it every shift where he's like, you know, you think he's, you think the place dead? It's going back the other way. Three quick strides, lifts a stick and then boom, you're back playing offense. Well, I mean, like a stage Thompson told us that Yarmos said nobody's safe and Josh is playing like that. And I think majority doesn't actually their whole team's playing like that right now. So it's the message is getting thrown. You can tell every everyone in the locker room and then up in the management box are all on the same page right now. And when he's doing it, you're 10 year vet, you're looking, fuck, I got to do it. So sticking with the other team that took the L and Phil Delphia. This whole situation with Michkov, it's bizarre. Kevin Kurs is a curse. I hope I'm saying that right. It's a writer. He wrote an article where he talked to talk it. He mentions in the headline of the article that Michkov hasn't scored a goal with a goal in the net in I think over a month and a half. Maybe since no, I think it's close to 20 games. If not 20 games. And and he met and talk it mentioned sometimes it looks like he's skating in mud. I think that was the quote. Flyers fans, we've talked about this a lot. There's a couple things here. They they think that like we hate Michkov. They also think we're mouthpieces for talk. That's the insane literal tweets like talk. It's texting biz and wet like crazy, like truly crazy stuff. They think I hate him. I mentioned one time I didn't think he had a great stride like a high and big time stride, which you don't need to have, right? Like there are many great players that aren't McDavid and McKinny out there. It's turned into now talk it is ruining Michkov. I'm here to say without no, I don't know. Talk that well. I don't have his phone number that. He would be playing enormous minutes in a top six role if he deserved to play him. Their argument is just give him the ice time, give him the ice time. Well, the fires had no expectations up until this three game losing streak. They were sitting in the playoffs when there wasn't a person in the world that watches hockey that considered them a possible playoff team going into the year. So if you think that he's burying this guy on purpose or if you think that this guy isn't getting ice time that he deserves because talk it doesn't like him. I'm telling you, you're insane. You're a truly insane person and flyers fans. They want a superstar. I get that. I respect that. They kind of pinned this guy and the hopes of this guy is their next 90 hundred point guy. Right now it's not there. And I actually give the kid credit because in the article he talks about like I'm really looking forward to Olympic break. I'm staying around Philly. I'm going to be skating. I'm going to be working out. Obviously there was something in the off season that either happened or he didn't do where he wasn't ready to go. He wasn't in great shape. And right now his game shows it. So I'm just trying to tell flyers fans like nobody wants me to go up to light it up and become a superstar more than Rick talk. See that he's he just signed on as the coach. He's got a long extension. He's got a long contract. He needs a game breaker. He wants this kid to be a game breaker. And back in the day when we came into the league, people weren't handed things. Like I've seen comments, uh, talk it would have celebrating on the third line. It's like, no, he wouldn't because he would be seeing the 200 foot play. He would be seeing turnovers, not in spots. He can't have them or he wouldn't be seeing those and celebrating would be getting the minutes that he gets in San Jose. So this whole story, it's like it's crazy. It's crazy. There's fans. Yeah. It's buddy. There's like probably like 10% of flyer fans who are online and the same thing. And it's crazy because they'll be like, Oh, they're just a mouthpiece for talk it. And they'll be like, go 30 likes on it. So there's a, there's a strong group of them that believe that I could promise you this before talking to him before the game yesterday. I had asked them one meach golf question, not one time. I never text them during the season. These guys are fucking, these guys are working 20 hours a day. And if anything, when I talk to a my ass and he goes and before like we break Nietzsche, go down like, and this is exactly what talk it said. It's like, you got to feel bad for the guy because there is a still a pretty massive language barrier. Like some of these guys who come over from Russia, their Russian guys, like hardcore Russian, where we're talking, they might have 100 English words in their, in their vocabulary. Not even. And they do have a translator, but you also go from being over in Russia where it's just if you are highly skilled guy in Russia, they just care if you get points. Like if you end up getting 80 points in the K, and you never even cross your own red line, they don't give a fuck. I remember when Whit went over there, he said he had one of the best games of his life and he didn't have any points and I'll hand it over to you where you tell, you tell it. Well, the coach was just like, he's like, what, what happened last night? And I wish I could do the Russia. I said, I was like, I don't know. I played 24 minutes plus two breaking the puck out with ease. No points. No points. I was like, I know, but like, I kind of like had a couple of third assists to those count here. You can't even get second assist over there. Let alone third. I started a bunch of breakouts that led to goals. I had three or four shots on that like really solid game. Like I know my game. No points. It was literally sorrow's his commercial. No goals just replace it with points and add a Russian accent. So I think that Michkoff has found that this leagues a lot probably harder. And here's the problem. Last year he, I mean, dude, there was offensive genius in some moments, right? And he did have a good amount of goals. And but he probably dealt with the same types of thing with torts, right? Like, and now second year in the league, no matter what happens in the summer and off season training, guys figure you out a little bit more. There's veteran defenseman that that understands some tendencies. You see more clips. You got more film on a guy. There's a lot of sophomore slumps in the NHL. Well, add that with being out of shape, which is a fact. This is not a mouthpiece stuff. That's a fact that didn't you kind of see what's going on right now? This does not mean that this kid can't be a 40 goal. Fuck it 85 90 point guy. But right now he's not there. And that's why he's not playing. Okay. So fires fans. I thought it'd kind of be happy that you're in the mix and yeah, three game losing streak, but no, they're just, I think they, they would rather have him on pace for 50 goals and a hundred points and being last place. And that's the fans that I'm talking and that's not how you build a culture. And that's not how you build a winning team. But the best part of that story with, I don't know if he, I don't think you're going to finish it. Wasn't at the next game. You had to fucking worst game in your life. I think you were minus four. And you had two assists and then he came up with he break game. Break game or water bottles on his head. Three pizzas. I had two of the shittiest assists you've ever seen. Like off the glass and out guy takes it and then nice points. Two points. Nice game. Yeah. I was like, okay. All right. Well, I like this. And that's the difference of like in Russia, the mentality and maybe growing up in that type of environment where he's okay playing like river bowl gambling. And in the NHL and in really good winning cultures. And I'm sure in to Rick talk its locker room, the play that Josh Done makes at center ice, even if they don't go back and score is just as valuable as him making an unbelievable offensive zone saucer pass back door. And that's because now all of a sudden instead of playing in your own end, you're playing in the offense of zone and you're investing in the game and wearing the other team down. And that's eventually how fucking games are one. So it's, it's this part of the fan base that like I, I think Nietzschev is going to get there too. I believe in a skill set. But if you're telling me that that player, the way he skates and how good this league is in an Olympic year where everybody knows you're hitting the ground running. There's no ease in process to an Olympic year. You're playing night in night out. There's also no practice days for you to get back in shape when you came in out of shape. So a guy who needed to have a big year for that team. I don't want to say made a selfless decision, but I'll tell you what, Connor Bidard, they had to tell him to calm down. Don't train as hard or as much. I don't necessarily think that was the case with this Meechkov guy where I think he kind of built his own, he dug his own grave in a sense. And also if you're that good of a player, if you're even playing 15 minutes in a game and not power play time and not with a top six, you're going to five, you're going to find a way to generate five on five. Like I don't, if you're that fucking good. And last night, you saw that shift against Samuelson where he just gets pushed off the puck below the goal line with ease. Those are the little things being a smaller guy would not break away speed. You think Sydney Crosby is too good to work on his down low play. That's where he makes his fucking bread and butter boys. That's where the real skill guys can get it done. And yet, so the quickly, yes, the tweet Kevin Curse on, this is the article on Matt Fehm, Meechkov who hasn't scored a goal in a man net in a month and a half. And who is simply not improving more than halfway through his sophomore season. I retweeted and wrote wrong. Talk it just doesn't play him enough. Trust me, ask Flyers fans. Meechkov is as good as Celbrini. He's just getting screwed by the coach. I had a legendary. So I get I just figured everyone would know how sarcastic I was being. I had a legendary NHL player reach out to me and say, you're way, way off on Meechkov and talk it. I said, that's sarcasm. And I didn't get a response. So I understand many. I had people, you're comparing them to celebrating. And then I had people flyers fans in. I know it's seriously. Can you believe this? So sarcasm doesn't work great. I think the flyers lock grew caught wind of it and didn't realize you were also being sarcastic. So I had to clarify when I saw him. I said, he was 100% fucking around. Yeah. And once again, this is a young kid who came over from overseas and can barely speak English. Like I think he's going to figure it out. But regardless of a language barrier, the worth that he's got to want it more than anyone else. And as Whit said, talk it wants that to happen more than anyone else, because that's just going to result in more wins. Right. Like you look at a guy and you poked one at it with that sit down with talk. Like a guy like Trevor Zegress probably isn't a Rick talk it. Exactly. Or he would, you know, say he would want on his team, but he's playing a ton. He's having the best start of his career. He's playing awesome, but he's earned everything. He's earned the trust from talk. He's earned the trust from the other coaching staff. There are certain coaches, especially if your teams in a playoff spot are trying to win that you have to earn your spot. It shouldn't just given to you like other people wanted or fans wanted. But the biggest thing that you guys have said is you saying this kid, this kid, he's still a kid. He's got time. He's got time to figure it out. No one figures it out in their first year or two. Maybe some dude that, you know, the certain unicorns like Celebrain, he said, you know, these guys, but he's got time. You got to give him some time to figure out the game, figure out the 82 game schedule. You know, how guys play? So don't, don't jump off the bandwagon if you are a fan of his, but also, you know, understand that he's got to earn some, earn some trust in his coaches and in his teammates too, right? Because you have to have the trust and the guys that you're playing with that they know what you're going to do. They know where you're going to be. So give him some time on both sides. And you're also going to have to take away ice time for a guy who probably deserves it. Like a guy like a power play time, like a guy like Trevor Zegress where he has made adjustments to be able to play. And I'm going to look here boys like they are bitching have you have you seen his time on ice averages? Like I'm going to check it out right now. I bet it's over 12. I mean, I'll give you the last five games, 16 minutes, 16 minutes, 17 minutes, 15 minutes. And the one before that was 13 and a half. So. Yeah, I think the fans on the crazy side want want like 21 minutes a game. And to be fair, the one, the, the last game he's had a point was the game he played 13 and a half minutes. So maybe it's even better fitting on playing less. Yeah, less is more. And guess what? The last, the last game before that he had points was to assist against Vancouver. He played 12 30. So fuck it. I'll keep digging. I'll keep digging. No, you found the sweet plot 12 to 13 minutes playing. Shout out John Cooper 600 career wins. The lightning 11 straight. I believe it's tied. If not the biggest win streak the lightning have ever had maybe tied for their longest in organization history. An incredible team. But brutal news. You saw Braden point go down. And at this point in the year when the teams have been named, that's the first thing you're thinking is all know like Olympics. And this is a big time highly trusted forward for team Canada. So like I as a guy I mentioned a few weeks ago, I got to replace Paul Martin felt horrible for him. So I kind of really feel like right away for a guy. And this would be his first Olympics for brain point. I just thought right away, oh my god, I hope this isn't serious. Coop came out and said we kind of dodged the worst case scenario here, but he is out week to week. You start thinking like can he come back? You got to think you're going to need to play two, three games. I think they go over on the 11th, I believe. Maybe maybe the eighth right around then. So I hope for Braden point case, he is okay. That would be an enormous loss for Canada. But I want to ask you two guys if and we don't want this at all. If he is out, who are you replacing him with? I think it's a no question and it's sand benefit. I mean, we really we talked about him being the biggest snub. And I think it only be right to bring him another guy Swiss Army. And I can do everything for you. I don't think you're losing much between him and Braden point. He's proven proven big game player. You know, last year in four nations, what he's done in the playoffs the last few years. So I think it's a no brainer. The only thing I was thinking with you think like, you know, he gets name to the team. Even if he can't play, like, I feel like he should have the opportunity to even go over there just to obviously he won't be able to play and his name won't be on the roster. But just to be a part of that team, like if I was that guy, I would still want to do it. I'd be like, Hey, just bring me. I don't want to take away from somebody's spot on the team, bring sand benefit. I want to be around that team. You think they would be able to do that or it's too. If you're not on the roster, I assume that you could fly over be a part of the team. I don't know about the Olympic village. Like I don't I don't I don't even I don't even know if you definitely want to because it's your time. All right, because if I'm on the team, all right, at least and you're coming off injury, I can like get treatment and stuff. But I know what you're saying is who's your guy? They were placing with fossil. Uh, the reason I agree with you is like, we obviously know sand men. It's a serial killer. So you piss them off by not naming it to the team. And then now you bring him. So he's like, okay, you fuckers didn't think you needed me. So now he feels you have to prove something. And then I would just keep him in like a cage over there until the game's got to where like this means something and then you just Yeah, bring him out to the rink and the what was it? The patty wagon like Yanns did at Chick-fil-A's Cup, but just him in there. It would honestly, you know what it would be like? It would be like in the first Jurassic Park when they bought the T-Rex. Was it the team? I don't know. It was the fossil wrap the loss of wrap. Yeah. And then all of a sudden like they didn't close the gate enough and it fucked the guy up. That's kind of what I envision when they bring him out to the ice. That's why they don't have seats on the glass on the one side. So they can wheel that thing in there and then it goes right to the door latches on and then you open it up and then Sam Bennett comes out and it's gold metal benches. So you guys are fucked. I think it's going to be Sam Bennett and great job by them. It could be Bennett. But Dard's name's thrown out there. If this if this happens to be case and he can't go, I'm going to keep kind of beating the drum of I know that Braden points a center. You got enough centers on that team. Hyman is playing incredible. I would not hate that. I was a Canadian and any fresh and then you got him with McDavid. Some people would really disagree on that considering, you know, Shifle's there, Bennett's there, but Dard's there. But that Hyman would be a complete animal over there for team Canada. We have to show. I just want to mention Utah quick. The amazing start. Coolie gets injured. They cool off a little bit. No pun intended. They're five one and one in their last seven games. They're looking very good. I mean, Clayton Keller is just an incredible player. Smalls looks great. I think that their D's been like sugar chaps. We talked about how good Mosers been for Tampa. So our good chefs played really good. It's got a lot of points at least. And then I looked like they're prospects are nice. Dude, they they have a nice future set up there. And she was telling me that I don't know. Somebody told him that they're looking to be very active around the deadline. So just Johnson came on. Daniel said the owner wants to win right now. He wants to capitalize on the momentum that they have, especially with the outdoor game coming in next year. He wants to win right now. So he thinks they're going to be very aggressive. Well, don't trade again, son, because that kid at the world, Jr's on my own. That guy, that guy is a you got a future stud on your hands there. And then I think they have that Caleb Denoyer. I'm saying Caleb Dayone. Don't don't air. So pretty cool for for Utah, right? This season they're flying along and they lose one of their best players. And they have figured it out. So I wanted to show them and there's another team that we texted about. I think they were on your dead list as recent as this week. The Nashville predators are not dead. They are not dead at all. Are you looking at them like, Hey, you may not be dead in this run of 16 and eight. Your last 24 games looks great. Your one point out of the playoffs or you like, no, look to trade. O'Reilly looked to really kind of rebuild this thing while still holding on to a few pieces. Well, yeah, it's like you they sign those older guys, like Stammer, March, a soul. They have O'Reilly like if that's what you want to move for with, fucking rights, like if if trots wants to stick to his guns on that and think, and thinks that it maybe just took a little bit of time for them to, to figure things out, you know, bond with the systems and, and kind of get the group all figured out. Sure, but I also said that because the games that I've watched them play this year, it's brutal to watch very slow or at least the ones I did, very slow. Having a ton of, a ton of difficulty generating. I think Ryan O'Reilly right now, like, you know, maybe I would say third line center on a Stanley Cup winning team. I feel like he would slot in perfectly there. I think he would tell you himself. It's probably difficult keeping up on the first and second line and playing against some of these horses night in night out. It's producing too. He's doing a, he's doing a hell of a job, right? But is like, would you rather get off of those guys to then? Would you want to be stuck in me, your awkwardity? Like you want to be on that bubble? Like I don't know what, what they're looking for because like by the time if these guys do figure it out, I don't know. I think they're kind of their window is closed. But hey, who the fuck am I? I would never doubt out a guy who's want to, a con smite, want to stand the cup and did everything in his career that I couldn't even dream of accomplishing, but I think it's the time to sell. And maybe the games over the last, how many ever you said, have gone in more entertaining and they're finding ways to generate and they're spending time with the ozone, but that started the season, put me on the no watch list for them because I was forced to watch them. Nashville's never been a team that has done a rebuild or even said that they're rebuilding. How they even when they got rid of, suit or in, you know, Weber, it was kind of like they, they do it on the go, right? So I don't see, I don't see them in a position where they'll just get rid of guys to get ready for the future. And or do they keep these guys around to, to like build and rub off that winning culture? Like if they're okay being in this in that position by the younger players, getting that hands on experience, having those guys around, then fucking right, it's man, do it. Yeah, do it. I just figured there's going to be a lot of teams that are hungry to get a guy like Ronald Riley to play on their third line. Maybe fucking, maybe, maybe back to Colorado. Maybe he doesn't exactly play at that pace. Maybe not. Maybe I'm fucking crazy. Like who are some other teams that you think you're going to push their chips? Like you're telling me New Jersey couldn't use him and it wouldn't be willing to offer something up. Well, they could use anything. I could see him honestly on a team like Florida, whether or not as fast as the other teams, they play a little bit heavier game. But it's just, yeah, it's all whether they want to, you know, say that they're doing a rebuild and get rid of these guys, which I just don't see Nashville doing it. It's an interesting question. I did not see this run there on right now either. No. So, but yeah, I see what business saying like, okay, so you somehow get in as the eighth seed and Colorado worked you in like six days. No fun, fun series. Good job, guys. I want to quickly go to Vancouver who, apparently they're listening to offers on everyone or not offers, but they're willing to kind of do business like a Lys Pedersen's name's out there. I, I still think based on what I've seen from that guy in the past that if he goes some like that hundred point Pedersen, I think is is in there. I, I mean, I can't admit like, gee, you come on quick. Would you not want the Bruins to get him? I would take a guy like a Lys Pedersen in a second because you have the, the bullies on the team that like this team's already a bunch of bullies. So you bring in a guy like a Lys Pedersen, go be the skill guy that you are. We don't need you to be anything that you're not. So I would love a guy like that, but it depends on the cost. I'm not giving up James Higgins. I'm not giving up some of those. We have like four first round picks over the next two years. I'd be hesitant to give up a few of those. Yeah. I don't, I don't disagree. I they're probably going to have a ton of cap space coming up next year too, right? They do. Yeah. I believe just under 20 million. I mean, yeah. I mean, it's a better question for you guys because you guys with a skill guys, it is nice when you have a tough team where you're the, the 18th guy that you even have to consider dropping the gloves. Yeah. Oh, I love even like when you were there, I'd love to have a guy in the lineup that can fight. It just settles everybody else down. You know, you're going to get hit less because there are guys on the ice that can take care of that. That aren't going to put up with guys getting, you know, their better players getting run out. So I think it's, it's something in the game that hopefully never goes away. Like even this one last night on the broadcast, I'm like, oh, like Saber's had a, like a bad start and they were flat. And then that Benson was out there. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's going to be running around being a little bit of a rat. And then Jody's like, no, he's like Dolores out there this year. If he ain't got to do shit, I was like, two Shay, two Shay. But Pasha, once again, wrong in saying that Vancouver will not go full rebuild. Apparently, from what's out there, they're, they're finally willing to maybe do that. To Garland, Peterson, would they ever trade a, a, a, Veronica? There's a lot of options there, right? If they're willing to go rebuild and really do this thing, then I guess every single person be on the table, right? Like that's kind of how you got to do it. If you want to really rip it down. I don't think there's a chance that there's no way that Sherwin is there after the demo. No, there's no way. Because I know that team is like who doesn't have much cap space say we need to fill that hole in on our third line. And and that would be a great spot for him to fucking for line matchups and what you would be able to do. I I doubt Garland's there. So those are those are two names for sure that I think are off the list. And then you just you just said Ronic that would be another good pick up where a lot of I never really thought about him. Is he a righty to is a righty he has a cannon. I think Toronto would be a good fit for him on the power play hitting one timers. I'm I'm hearing a little bit of how Dougie Hamilton would make sense at half price. Or I went on with Rosehill. But I see Larry Murphy boobards from blocks away. Dougie Hamilton Toronto may believe five. I don't know man. I listen to a car. I would hope that they like the way they're buzzing right now and the way their culture is you would hope they'd be able to take in a guy like that where maybe it hasn't worked out other places and maybe he's you know known as a little bit of a quirky guy who is a little bit like what's the term I'm looking for like not everybody wants to go for beers with all the boys all the time right so a bit of a bit of a recluse say maybe he goes to a place like that and and make they make them feel comfortable buddy. It's all about the fit. I've heard of guys before like oh yeah like guys didn't like him here and then he goes to another team and and and guys love him and they embrace him so who knows but I only did say on first shift that he would be hesitant to see Dougie go to a team in Canada. He doesn't think that's going to let be likely. Well he's playing better now I mean Pasha's been sucking him off online after fucking ripping him. Yeah he always did him an apology. Last thing about Vancouver crazy Brock Besser has scored 21 games. That's nuts to me. That's why I lost eight in a row. You said don't resign him didn't you? I know I just thought that when I heard what his number that he was asking for. He doesn't I think he had a 40 goal year two years ago and I get it like those are growing on trees right. I just when I remember hearing the number as to why he wasn't resigning in Vancouver. I was like whoa that's what he's expecting. But then I believe once you got the free agency in sign with Van he basically got what he was hoping to get. So fucking good for him but great guy like guy that you want you now but though with that contract and the way he's playing like he ain't going to get to go to a winning team. Maybe he wants to stay in Vancouver and wants it but yeah that's that's just a salary where it's it's not going to work. Now on to St. Louis before we get to Barrett Tim Rick Jackman. Oh here's a thing though is what ground he's writing. He said Jim Rutherford said that he thinks Quinn trade has impacted Besser. So even from like a friendship standpoint and if you're hanging out with a guy every day maybe that's fucked him up too. So you never even getting a tape to tape pass. Yeah that could do it that could do it. Yeah I'm picking it up off the wall every game now. The blues been a disaster season also open for business. I'm kind of feeling like with how many teams are in it. We could see we could we get like a lot of trade magic this year. Could we if if Nashville's unloading guys and Vancouver's unloading guys and St. Louis's unloading guys I mean I don't see how you trade Robert Thomas but if he's out there Braden Chen I got to think Braden Chen's on another team at some point this season. Not sure I'm guessing he has a no move but imagine adding that guy to a to a fucking playoff team like I feel like the ask is going to be too high again though. Yeah it's going to be too high. The ask B for Paraco. Yeah that's what I was going to say. He would be my one guy because I don't think you can trade Robbie Thomas right. You have to have something around like somebody there. Right like he's the future. I could see Paraco and Dallas. Ooh. Dallas hasn't been great lately either. They got to shake some maybe they do something. Yeah maybe they do some some rather than later. That's a fit in right. They got to make a move. There's going to be a roster freeze for Olympics right and can't do anything during then so I wonder if teams will do it the next week or so. Yeah it's like the sixth March. Okay I would love to see Cairo go get move. I feel like it's so hot and cold there all the time. And just I want to just see him on a team who's maybe maybe more willing to allow him to play his style. Maybe he hides a little bit more and maybe not as much expectation but I don't know I just feel like it's time no. Yeah and if he was on a team we've talked before about guys who if they're the fifth best forward on the team you'd be like holy shit. Kind of fill Kessel. Fourth fifth best forward in Pittsburgh those cup teams like if all of a sudden Cairo is like just a weapon that you don't think about right away when you think of a team you're like oh my god that's how good this this team is wherever he could go. But I mean I don't know where the I do like Paraco Dallas. I would not love that as an Euler's fan. Morales brought up a great conspiracy theory. Uh auto Stenberg potential Iver Iver Stenberg brother the kid who could go first overall. He's in the Blues prospect system already right now. Alex Deans the new sweetest GM he thinks they're going to go full tank. Try to get Iver Stenberg into St. Louis and become the new Swedish hub of the NHL. All right. Okay. Okay. I kind of blocked out when you were talking. Can you repeat that? So he said that Iver Stenberg brothers in the Blues organization. He's Swedish steen Swedish Philip Broberg Swedish so they're going to tank biz. Then they're going to get Stenberg and then I believe G said they're going to be the Swedish. What? Of the NHL these are the way to sell. We're not. Yeah. Not of Stevie. Why has him in the say about that? Nick Litz from probably listening to that saying this fucking you know, have you murked? I didn't see this coming from St. Louis this year. I expected more. But a guy who played many years hard nose hockey. Great dude. Barrett Jack when we just sat down with him right before we recorded. Let's throw it to him right now. We are now pleased to be joined by the newest member of the St. Louis Blues Hall of Fame former first round pick, called our trophy winner. We're rookie of the year. Barrett Jackman. What's going on bud? How you guys doing today? We're doing great. Thanks. We appreciate you coming on. We saw you just on with with Holly and the ice guardians and chaser. So that was a reminder for us. We're going to get this guy on and how you've been doing. What's been going on these days? Not too much. She's kind of enjoying retirement. I just started with the Blues alumni. I'm now the director of that. So I get the babysit and wrangle a lot of old hockey players. And then I coached my son as well. His 16 new team here in St. Louis. For people who don't know, the Blues alumni, we've mentioned it probably the strongest alumni in the league. A lot of guys stay in St. Louis and that locker room you have that we got to go in. I believe it's at the practice facility. I think there's beers in there. There's coaches. So are the boys like going in just hanging out there like in the mornings, like as if as if they still play? Yeah, we have skates three three times a week. So you know, we could have, you know, a couple to 10 alumni that are out there skating. I usually go for breakfast after on our Monday, Friday mornings. And then yeah, it's Wednesday evening. We got beer and pizza. So yeah, it's just guys in there. We're now after a skate, if something stupid happens out there, we live barn it and you know, clip the video and it's just just like when you play it. So we're extremely lucky to be having that and, you know, in St. Louis and the dressing room there. Where does it get posted? Do you guys just set it to the group chat? Or do you guys like put it all publicly? No, no, no, just group chat. Yeah, we don't want that. Everybody you see how slow we are now. Who, like, so when you go to these skates, like who are the guys in the locker room that are just always, always chirp, it always bark. Cam. Yeah, bam, bam, bam is, he's always runners mouth. Who's bam, bam, got you, Jansen, you call him bam, bam, bam. Yeah, he's as funny he goes in there, you know, about two hours before the skate. He's, he's stick can't away with the ball and everything. It's like he played. So, but yeah, no, there's, there's a ton of guys. We got a lot of local guys too that aren't alumni that, you know, are just part of our, our friend group to come out just to make the skates, you know, a little bit more flannits like the, you know, the Harlem Globe trotters. We, we kind of stack one team and then the, the great team usually has a tough time out there. Jansen, for a guy who rarely touched the puck, he worked on his hands before the game more than I think any guy, he would always be stick can with that ball. Yeah, it's, it's incredible. He gets the, you know, the stick can't away ball. He's got to go in our different room because he's, he's way too loud. Those, those hands aren't that soft. Jack, I know, I know, Whit had mentioned it earlier. You won the call to trophy and, you know, as a stay at home demon, like, do you think that'll ever happen again and where you shocked when you won it? Obviously, you had a great year and, you know, what you did was amazing. But was it one of those things where you were kind of like, oh my god, or you knew you were winning it? Tough. It was about, I had no clue. Yeah, it was a terrible year. It was set a burger, Nash. Really? Guys aren't that good. So, yeah, those two guys kind of had a, you know, a slow first after the season and, you know, we're really rackin' up the points and I was lucky to play with, with Al, so and you got Al Makenna, it's one of the greatest defensemen I've ever played the games on your right side. It made things so much easier for me. And yeah, I definitely did not think I was winning it. I just remember, no Brian Burke. He was a GM event, whoever at the time and he came up to me in the green room at the awards and he's kind of sedving me and goes, hey, you know what, you might not win this. You probably won't, but you deserve it more than those other guys. You know, I hope you get it and, you know, that's something that, you know, kind of really stuck with me over the years. Did you even think that you would stick in the NHL and training camp? Like, I know you were a high pick and stuff like that, but like, all of a sudden, you go from going to your camp and then you're playing with Al Makenna's? Yeah, I kind of knew. That was the year that Prongs was out with, you had knee surgery and, and wrist surgery. So, you know, I was coming in and I played two games here before and, you know, they put a lot of faith in me. They put me on the A's quite a bit and played against Detroit. And it was the last game of the season and then I played game five of the second round to play off at Joe Lewis. So I kind of had an idea and I, you know, I worked my ass off as much as I could to get the opportunity and then being paired with Al. You know, kind of training camp and a few different partners and, you know, just kind of ran with it. And, you know, I didn't want to go back to the minors. It was, you know, they always hungry, league is a tough time. Yeah, I was the mass. So, you know, I loved my time with my boys and, in, in Worcester, but, you know, I wanted, I wanted the NHL so bad and had the opportunity. You were just like nails, really. I mean, you had so, I think over 250 pims that rookie year in the NHL, then 190 as a rookie defenseman. I remember like, you know, that was like before I came into the, but I remember like, oh, this rookie defense would fight in a lot. You really took on kind of anyone, right? Were you staying within your weight class? Because you're only, I mean, you're six foot, you're thick, but not enormous. Like, were you fighting heavy? Is that that first year? Yeah, Worcester, I was, you know, when they sent me down, Larry Polo kind of told me he goes, you weren't a prick enough in camp. And that's why we're sending you down. You didn't do your role, but it was, you know, it was during 9-11. We had no exhibition games. I wasn't going to fight guys. You know, that I wanted to play with. So I went to Worcester and, you know, I told him, okay, you want me to be a prick? I'll be a prick. So, I think I had 100 penalty minutes after 12 games. And then Larry Polo came down to have a meeting and he goes, okay, you know, we just wanted you to play and become a player. You can just stop fighting. Prove your point. But, yeah, I had the, the target on my back. So, you know, back then, you know, no YouTube, but showing clips. So it was more of a, you know, you get into the building. You see the guy with the most penalty minutes and the tough guys were coming after him. And I had Matt Walker. I've Steve McClaren, Eddie Campbell had some tough guys to help, but, you know, I wanted to prove myself and I really enjoyed fighting. I mean, you played in the Western League. I would imagine you were probably doing a lot of that in junior. I read that you were the youngest captain before Khan of a Dard for the Regina Pats in the history of the organization. Yeah, I was pretty rude that he took over that. Yeah, he treated away about you guys my second year. And, yeah, they kind of saw that, you know, I could take over the home and, you know, they gave me this thing, which, you know, they were trying to pass the oldest junior hockey franchise in the world. So, you know, that stat was, was pretty cool. Growing up, it's, you're from trail BC. What, what's that area like? Is that, that's where it works from, right? Fucking God's country. He's really done the street. He's from Castlegar. Steve McCarthy, Ray Ferrero, Kevin Sawyer, you know, Greg Adams is real close by. There's a huge list of guys that are just kind of in that, you know, probably about a 30 mile radius. And yeah, it was just small town hockey. I've played single A growing up and I've been playing the jungle B, the Poutine International Junior High League, and for the bigger rally nighthawks. But yeah, it was just a, it's a cool, cool spot right in the foothills of the Rocky Mountains on the Columbia River. And, you know, small time mentality, it's kind of like, you know, letterkini where, you know, you get the local tough guys that are fighting all the time. You get the hockey players, junior hockey players that are coming in. And so, it was a great, great place to grow up. And, you know, that, you know, unbelievable place play hockey. I just googled trail BC, Keith, and the first picture that pops up. I mean, it's beautiful. I didn't realize it was stunning. It's like, it's like you're on a different planet. It's like almost like you're like in New Zealand or something. It's so green mountainous, right? Yeah, it's, it's basically, you know, you can get an air drop written in the middle of, you know, the mountains in BC. And that's, you know, you see some iconic pictures of, you know, Neter Bayer at the top of a mountain with, with a standing cup, you know, use the, you know, a few miles down the road. But, yeah, it's basically that, that's the same type of, you know, landscape. You'd figure you guys from, you know, such beautiful places would be a little more calm. And then you go to the dub. And it's just straight guerrilla warfare. And like, were you playing in the dub when there was no, like, teams were warming up at different times because of the fighting going on and all that shenanigans? Yeah, no, it was there. It was, it was kind of after, you know, the fact that, you know, Tony Twist is stealing the other teams net and warm up. But yeah, we had separate warmups. I remember one of our playoff games, Regina and Moussa, and we won our overtime. And a guy jumped up on the glass. He threw a beard at our goalie and Todd Ferdorick, Kyle Frederick. All the guys just started jumping on the glass. And here's a couple bikers by the exit where we're going out. And you know, guys were, you know, swinging their stick to get through the crowd to get to the dressing room. And in Moussa, they had a beer garden that was just down the hall from from the dressing room. So, you know, we get our assistant coach who was also on the SWAT team. He was coming down, grabbing bikers and choking them out and, you know, grabbing their wrists and wrist locks. Yeah, it was, it was crazy. Yeah. And then as they get a little bit older and Moussa, they just kept chanting, you know, about 3,000 people chanting jack off every time I was on the ice. So it's, yeah, it was, you know, a different time and different era, but it was fun. So when you were like going through that, like, what, like, what were your emotions? We were like nervous where you like kind of like, hey, I'm just used to this type of shit. That's just the way it is in the, in the dub. Like, what, like, what are you going through? Because I would imagine it made your skin pretty thick in order to do the things you would end up doing in the A and the NHL. Yeah, you just kind of went with the flows. It was fun. It was entertaining. You know, you can get your juices gone. So, you know, you felt like you played better when, when people all over in, you know, I came from the, you know, junior me and BC2 and that was, that was a mess. There was, you know, people with throw firecrackers at the go-aids during the game. You know, just be, be all over your weight and outside to try and fight you and when it would be, when the snow was out, you get pelted with snowballs as you're leaving the rank and driving the bus. So, I was just, it was fun. It's entertaining. You know, those things don't happen anymore, but, you know, it's just part of the stories. What was your dad like growing up in your hockey life or your mom and, and did you have all the brothers? You kind of, you guys agree kind of strikes me as somebody who had older brothers. Two sisters, one older, one younger and then, you know, my mom was you know, single mother and she was, she was tough as now. So, yeah, MJ was, you know, let up to her because she had bigger arms than I did and, you know, she was, you know, a nurse and and work with, you know, the extended care of the older people that, you know, were kind of going crazy and my mom was taking punches and, you know, people were biting her, she's trying to change the, you know, the elderly diapers. So, you know, watching her and just how tough she was, growing up was pretty cool and then, I always playing with older guys. It was 15. I was playing with your B and 14 and, you know, the guys just sit me under under their wing and really took care of me and, you know, so I was new. If I got my, my ass kicked on the ice, I had those teammates, you know, like everybody did that you're picking up and, you know, dust you off and then you'll get the guy that got you. You mentioned single mother. What like, if you don't mind me asking, what happened to your father? My parents just, they split up. I've divorced my dad one way to work. So, didn't see him a lot and, yes, my mom, you know, was kind of ran things and, I had to be, you know, kind of the, the man of the house pretty, I had a pretty young age. So, that was part of, you know, what kind of, you know, built the character that, you know, hopefully I have right now. Yeah, a couple guys that I reached out to, what they said, it was like, you were almost like a father figure and taking care of young guys when like, oh, she and those guys came up, but you got to credit that to, you know, as a kid being the only man in the house, you kind of being the, being there for your mom and your sisters. Yeah, it was a huge part of it. And, you know, I just a lot of father figures, you know, I had a guy by the name of Hank Deadmarch and Saddam Deadmarch's dad that I was their GM and really, you know, kind of helped me out when I have those tough questions about whether it was junior college. And so when you have a guy like that and then I looked up to Deadm, Deadmarch was a couple years older, but, you know, I watched him, you know, his career kind of take off and, you know, you get role models like that in a small hometown, this is a pretty special. When I look at the roster of your rookie year when you won the call, I know a couple of the guys, but this has to be one of the most old school lineups, like, dog weight, Scott Melon, be Keith Kachak, Al McGuinness, I know, problems are almost here. You got Tyson Nash, Sean Podine, I can't imagine that room. And as a young guy, like that's kind of when you, I would say that you had to have a lot of respect then coming into the league. You had to kind of keep your mouth shut a little bit. Those guys must have made sure that. Oh yeah, you'd be seeing that herd. He's sitting in the corner and, you know, the biggest part of that Tee, we hung out, you know, almost after every game, we go to the bars and say, well, it's, you know, sit a little pub and these, the older guys would be sitting there telling stories and, you know, dog weight was usually, you know, holding court and big Walt was just sitting there, you know, chocolate and getting chirped. And so, yeah, it was just, it was great. You just sit there, you never want to leave the bar, you're never, you're, I was always the last one to leave, because I just couldn't believe just the things that were going on. And yeah, we had Gally Drake, Pavel Demetri as well. Yeah, of course, Stillman, like, it's so many, I'm believe, we'll dash more mirrors, Bryce Salvador, Reed Low. Yeah. So like the list goes on of, of characters that, you know, it was so much fun to go to the rank every day. You're going to get chirped nonstop, but I year you, you die in laugh and at all times. That team's a hell of a team. Tari quickly best. Who'd you went to seven games? Who'd you lose to that season? We lost the Vancouver. Yeah, we're up three games to one and, you know, Al separate your shoulder. I think prongs got sick. We had a bunch of guys that got the flu or food poisoning or something like that and a bunch of injuries. And yeah, I really felt like that was the, the best team and the best chance I ever had to win a cup. And, you know, unfortunately, it didn't happen. When you got there, who was your first first coach in St. Louis? Was it Quinville? I had Q. Yeah, Quinville, Jimmy Roberts and Mike Kitchen were kind of at the D and, yeah, they were amazing. You know, Q was on the ice every day after practice and, you know, me and Bryce Salvador were playing a little pig in the middle. But he was so good with me. And I remember I went to a football game on a day off, you know, walking to the sweep that the blues have and all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, shit, the coach is here. So, you know, I'm not going to have any beers. Just kind of relax and sit in the corner and not getting trouble. As soon as Q. Salvador, you cracked a beer, he cleared my hand and he goes, hey, we're going to have some fun today. And then I think it was every 15 minutes. You cracked another beer and put it in my hand. So just a guy's guy, just, you know, his knowledge, his way to treat people. He was amazing. Was he still then adamant about not being on your backhand as a defenseman? Because Keith always talks about that from his time in Florida. Was he doing it then? Well, the good thing about Jaco is he didn't even know he had one either. So that's how you didn't even have to tell him. It was off the glass and out every time. So it didn't really matter. And I was always on my right side. So I just had to turn the hands over and pass it over. We used to call him like, Kitchen's a little ball of hate. Was he the same way? Like you be at the rink at seven in the morning and you get like sucker punched in the in the kidney. You turn around and it's my kitchen. He's like, good morning. You like, what? Dude, it's eight o'clock. Oh yeah. Now he always had brought the energy and I always enjoyable. You know, he's so passionate about the game and you know, so good at clippin' some some things. Jamie Coppon was the video coach on the, you know, the VHS and VCRs going back then. But yeah, Kitchen was he was awesome. He was really good to me too. And we up, brought the energy and brought the kidney punches and you know, sucker and everyone's in a while. I'll admit you're awake and and and ready to go. I thought that Q story was going to end up like him basically teen you up next day at practice. We got guys being on professional showing up hung over. Get on the fucking line and then bags and like what just happened. Mind games 3D chess. We had some of the crazy older guys that were doing that anyway. So it was all good. Al McKinnis just going back to him like as a veteran and playing with him like what are the things that he taught you and just being around him. And I mean, I'm sure you were aware of him and watch plenty growing up to know how big of a legend he was, but just like what was your experience and and getting to be around him? I use so professional. Best shape guy. You know, you jump on the VO 2 bike and you know, I think it was about five minutes in that go, okay, yeah, you're you're going to break this thing. But just the way that he handled himself around, you know, handle the trainers, media, you know, the coaching staff, all that. You know, one of the stories was on the ice with him. You know, it was probably a couple games in or sure, you know, serve the pizza for for a dash and get back to the bench and I'm thinking, I need it, you know, you know, just paraded by by Al McKinnis. But he sat down beside me, he looked to me and he goes, hey, you know, I think it was in the wrong spot there. You know, where do you want me to be? And it's kind of laughter. I go, you're fine. Like, you know, I just made the worst play of my life and you're good. So, but he just made you feel comfortable as such a legend and such a, you know, an aura around him. But he just, he really just let me kind of relax and play my game and, you know, owe him a ton of my career, because you know, I try to treat people like that, too, where, you know, he, you know, the guy's down, you pick him up and you try and figure a way to get out of it together. So obviously a very calm guy, if he's telling you, hey, I need to be in a different spot, be in a veteran like that. So he probably was never snapping it all in the locker room then. Oh, he snapped all the time. Really? Okay. So he had a quick, quick. No, it was, no, he had a, he had a temper on him. He was, he was nasty, too. The, you know, I was nicknamed his chopper and he, he was pretty good with the stick. But yeah, when he, when he got pissed off, yeah, no, everybody was at attention and he didn't do, didn't do that often. But, no, when he, when he spoke and we got pissed off, you know, guys were, you know, sitting down and, and listening and, and pretty quiet. So was that where Prongs got it? I think Prongs developed that at a young age. He had a problem with it. Prongs was awesome. He was hard on guys. He was, especially the young guys, but he wanted to, you know, make sure that you, you know, he, he was so good, so intense, he wanted to make sure that he had the guys in his corner that, you know, were battle tested and were going to fold under pressure. So, you know, Prongs is really good at just, you know, figure out the character guys and, you know, he, he wanted to win so bad and, and, you know, apparently wherever he went, they went to the finals. So he's, he's pretty good at that. I was just going to say another guy that, you know, I heard you speak a lot of, and probably that, a lot of guy, younger listeners don't know a lot of, I was the guy behind you, Bob Plager. And from what I hear, you have a tattoo of him on your chest. Is that true? Yeah, we're here with my heart. So what did he mean to you? And, you know, just obviously you were in his number as well. Like it must have been an honor for you. Yeah, I came in a training camp and, you know, you guys talk a lot of, you know, high numbers and training camp, but I had five sitting in my stall. And then you, you get, you know, knew a little bit about him when I got here, but you start hearing the stories, see how he is in the community. You know, he signs his autograph or if you can see it up there, but he signs it with a little happy face in there. I'm beloved by everybody. And he just kind of, you know, you, you sit and have coffee with him and just tell the stories. And I, you never seen a guy that was more proud to wear a blue note and be a blue than that guy. So, you know, I had some pretty big shoes to fill, but, you know, every day, and he, you know, passed away a few years ago and, you know, every day, you know, wake up and I see that, you know, the number five with a heart and, you know, the wings on it and, you know, thank you him. So he is, you know, told jokes, told stories and just loved by everyone. The late 90s or the 2000s, when you came in, there were some great blues teams. Then there was a couple of lean years and then all of a sudden, like, oh, she back as Petro, all come in. And at that point, you're the veteran, you're the leader. Like, I remember Biz and I at camp, it was like, wow, like this guy is so respected here. This is kind of his team. It must have been cool for you to, I mean, it's hard going through the struggles, but as these guys started coming in, did you realize they were building something pretty special right away? Yeah. You know, they go, she coming in, you know, you see what he can do with the puck and how hard he competes, uh, burglary and this big, you know, smooth, silky, you know, forward, uh, Petro, Eric Johnson. Yeah, just, you could see what their vision was. We had, you know, that ownership changed during the lockout and, uh, shipped off some other guys, but, you know, you have a Walton locker room too, for so many years, to teach those guys. But yeah, now you see that vision of what could be and you kept adding little pieces that, you know, we really thought we're, uh, we're going to make us, uh, elite. So, you know, to pride and trying to, you know, teach the culture and continue on developing, uh, those boys and, and, you know, we had some success, but you could never get over the hump until, you know, after they traded me out by signing in Nashville and then also they got good. Oopsie. Um, Kachak, I mean, Walt, having Walt around and especially Matthew and Brady at that time, could you have ever imagined that those kids would grow up to be the players they are now? And why did they call you Timmy Torso? Well, Tommy Torso, big Walt, I'm sure fed you that one, but short legs, long torso, bill for hockey, nothing else. But yeah, Matthew and Brady, they, you know, I felt like they were never in school. We, uh, we'd be out there for, uh, you know, they, they'd become the rank we'd practice. Uh, they'd be on the ice after they'd be on the ice before clean values have to kick them off the ice because, uh, you know, they'd be skating around. We're probably five minutes into practice and they're still buzzing around. But, uh, first time I ever saw those two was, uh, I was a black ace and I was sitting in the locker room after, uh, after a game and just kind of waiting to see what the story was the next day and, uh, sitting in the, uh, you know, kind of the, uh, the change room and also in these two little kids, they, I don't even think they could talk yet. He'd fly in and they got gloves on and they got their sticks. Also, they dropped their, their gloves and they just start teeing off on each other, punching each other straight in the face. Um, you know, sitting there, don't have kids myself from my, you know, we step in, do we not, you know, it was with Walt's kids and the Walt turned around the corner, ain't knock it off. The kids pick up their stuff, we'll run back in and, and place more mini sticks. Nothing's changed, hey boys? That is so cool. Saying one of the stories we heard from the ice guardians podcast that they just posted literally like five minutes before I came on, I saw it was the T.J. O. She story and the fact that you were rooms with them. Let's start with that one, but like who were all your roommates that went through all your time there? Uh, start off with, uh, in that locker. Uh, he was, uh, you know, a good friend of mine and, and we start off and then, uh, I should, my first, uh, first year was Sean Pooding. Um, just, this is an absolute legend. Great guy. I've taught me a lot just about life. Uh, I had Murray Barron for a short stint and then, uh, yeah, T.J. O. She, he, uh, got a little trouble a few years ago and maybe missed, uh, you know, mispractice or remeting and, um, so I'm like, hey, you know, let me know the kid who's a roommate and it was the best time ever. Uh, yeah, the story where it, uh, you know, but I think it was pre-game meal and Columbus, our first road trip together and, you know, he comes by the table. Hey, hey, hey, Jack's is anything I could do for you in the room, fluff through pillow and all that. And so I just told my go, hey, you know what, what you're up there? Can you, uh, uh, just warm up my bed for me? And, you know, a couple of minutes go by, I go up to the room, not thinking anything out of it and I'll sit and open the door and, oh, it jumps out of my bed and it was hit. I've been doing snow angels for the last, you know, 10 minutes. So, you know, bed's all warm for you. He's just, and then he did that, you know, every time you got in the room and it wasn't there, he'd warm up the bed. But, uh, yeah, we had so much fun. He's like a little brother to me and, you know, I love the guy and, you know, he's, uh, had an amazing career and, you know, just, uh, good to call my friend. Better than warming up the toilet, hey, boys. Oh, yeah. The toilet seat. I think I would have preferred that more than a guy doing snow angels in my bed to be honest, but, uh, that's just me. Now, um, you said he got in trouble and you kind of wanted to take him under your wing. Like, what did happen? Like, was he just one of those guys who would forget the set as alarm or? Oh, no, I think we're just, uh, you know, all the boys throughout one night and, you know, you lost keys for his car and, you know, maybe his cell phone at the same time. So, uh, couldn't get anywhere and, yeah, he was just a little bit late for practice, but, uh, yeah, the, uh, yeah, it was just, you know, OSHOPEC. He's, uh, you know, one of my, one of my favorite people and, yeah, it was something little, but, uh, yeah, I just, I felt like, uh, I need some more entertainment in the room. So, is that a nickname he gave himself? OSHOPEB? I think it was his dad, his coach. So, um, but yeah, no, OSHOPEB, you're in, say that all the time and he's, yeah, brings the energy and, you know, love having him for anyone who doesn't know, like, at the peak of TJO, she's career, how hard he played. Like, he was an animal. He crushed guys and when he got after it, that's how hard he got after it too. At least the time, the time I got to be with him and brainered, I'm like, well, this is how he plays. Like the Russians. Yeah. He, he doesn't do anything half-ass. He's, uh, full-send at all times and in every part of his life and, uh, unbelievable family man, unbelievable friend and, you know, just, uh, just an animal on the ace to him. Another guy that you mentored and you, you just were on the father's trip with him, uh, Ryan Reeves. Like, what an honor that must have been and how cool is that to get that phone call from a guy that you played with to come on the father's trip with them. And before you answer, you need a resemblance with me and Reeve, huh? Do you remember when he fell asleep on the massage table? I love that story. I was just going to ask, and where were you to mentor him there? I was watching him. Yeah. I think, uh, I don't know if I walked in. I think it was, uh, Bryce Oliver and he goes, who the hell is that on the, uh, on the massage table? And he was just, he was sitting there snoring. I think Reeve was heard at the time. Uh, it wasn't taking part in, in camp. So, uh, yeah, that was, uh, yeah, he, he gave me that call, you know, I think probably one a month ago and asked me to go on the, uh, on the mentor's trip. And, you know, it was an amazing honor, right? You know, I didn't even look at my schedule and like, yep, you know what? I'll make it, make it work if you're, uh, if you're asking. So, you know, another guy is just a huge character coming in tough as nails, gray person. And, uh, you know, he's for a guy to, you know, stick on the lead as long as he has, uh, been one of the toughest, uh, year after year. And then, you know, adapting his game and, and getting better every year. So, um, brought him. What did that San Jose vibe seem like? Because shocking, um, year they've had it. I don't think anyone really expected this. Unless you talk to the guys in the room, uh, new celebrity was this good. I mean, good, not this good. That must be a fun team to be around. Like they're rolling. They got everything going on there. Did you enjoy that time? Like seeing how close must almost make you miss the game even more being on a trip like that? Yeah, it did. Hi, you know, you see a different side of it too. I mean, go in there and obviously proud of Rebo. But, you know, kind of sitting back, getting, you know, getting the chills. When you square off and get to Olivier and just, you know, so proud and you see all the dads around. But yeah, that, that group is, it seems very special. And it starts with Rebo. And I think everyone of the coaches pulled me aside and just said how much Rebo means to that team, how he keeps everybody loose. I keep some accountable. And so, you know, that even made me even more proud that, you know, I'm proud of their self. But yeah, I know that team, you know, sitting, talking to, you know, celebrate you to what a special kid he is. You know, talk to his dad a little bit too. I just told him, I go, yeah, just so you know, you know, your kid is special. And it's not just on the ice. He's, he's a great person. Treats everybody very well. And, and really enjoys the game. What was his dad like just in talking to him? Like, did you pick his brain at all? What a fastening guy. What you do with these kids. Yeah. Yeah. What lab you make him. It was awesome. Yeah. He, uh, he kind of came a little bit later that he had, uh, you know, a friend pass. So, yeah, he was only there for a short time. But, uh, yeah, he was great too, you know, a couple of guys on the plane were asking questions about, uh, you know, the, the warriors and, and, you know, what those guys are like and, and kind of how he works with them. But, very humble guy too. And you can see, you know, how he, you know, just kind of raises some amazing people. I got to ask, is there any other mentors or dads that kind of stood out like, as you got the most fun guy, that guy, that guy was fun. I remember Wayne Simmons old man when they did one. I think it was in Toronto or something like that. He let's, like, he looked like Drake's dad. Yeah, like the Pimp threw it on and stuff like that. It was unreal. Yeah, they're all great. Yeah. And the Swedish dads are, uh, are pretty funny. We actually, uh, in LA, went to, uh, Santa Monica pier, a set of couple beers before the game. And I think it's 20 minutes to get there. And it took us about two hours to get back. So, uh, there's a couple of the Swedish dads, you know, halfway through the trip. You can hear them talking in Swedish and, uh, and then all of a sudden, another one of the dads just kind of goes, guys, I gotta take a piss. Like we got a pole over now. Going to the, uh, Taco Bell, um, you know, nobody was smart enough to actually buy a taco. So they wouldn't give them the key for the, uh, for the, for the restroom. Also, and five guys come fly out of the place, they're pissing in the parking lot and, uh, so, uh, it was, uh, yeah. Yeah. So it's just, uh, you know, that, that part of their trip is the same with the dads was, uh, was entertaining. We always love asking guys who played for Hitch, some memorable Hitch moment. And I think it's a little more special for Biz and I just seeing the interactions in camp and guys giving it to him and him giving it back. And, I mean, you're a soft spoken guy, but there are any times you guys went out a little bit, or are there anything, any moments you remember being like, oh boy, this, we're in one right now with Hitch. Oh yeah. No, there's, uh, there was one game. I think it was probably, you know, about 30 seconds left in the game. We're up by a goal. We kind of get hemmed in the, uh, the D zone. So I'd fire one off the glass. Uh, it hits the partition and kind of comes back in the middle of the ice, scoring chance, you know, they didn't score. Uh, and then all of a sudden we get back to the bench and he's just staring at me and, and I just looked at him and I just, I went off on him. I didn't usually make a better play and I'm, I just, I lost it. I, I, you know, I actually, I think it was a tie game because we were going over time and the entire break I'm sitting there and just yelling at Hitch. And he's not saying anything back. He's just kind of taking it. Uh, Bradshaw was the, uh, you know, the decoge. He's trying to calm me down and yeah, I did not, did not stop yelling for, uh, probably a full minute at the at Hitch and looking back. It was pretty bad, but, you know, the next day you came in, like nothing happened. We're, we're good. And, you know, I'd again enjoy the fire, but, uh, yeah, was he even looking back at you or just looking straight ahead, just listening to you berate him. It was a little bit of a side-eye, but, uh, yeah, I know everybody was completely solid on the bench and didn't go over any plays for over time or anything like that. It was just be straight on, you know, dropping the F bombs and yelling at, uh, at Hitch. Like, could he not help himself with, with like just like nagging like that? Like, what was it? I understand maybe an offensive voice to who some games is like turning over at the blue line where it's a rascal is a notorious slow starter, but you're laying out blocking shots, fighting for your teammates. Like, you're the one guy where it's like if he tries to make the safe play, like shut the fuck up. Cut the fuck up. Could he not help himself? No, I know he was just, uh, you know, whatever came to his mind, he just, he just said it. Yeah, I used to obviously a brilliant, uh, you know, hockey mind and some guys have their things and, and Hitch love getting under people's skin, especially his own, uh, his home players. Did the young guys come up to you after that? Because obviously you don't seem like a guy who flips out all the time and they will, where they like, what the fuck was that? Yeah, they, uh, I think a couple of them I had pissed their pants on the bench because they, they might have scared him a little bit. Yeah, it's, uh, yeah, I had a screular sometimes. Typically, it wasn't towards my own teammates or, uh, or the coaches, but yeah, they were, uh, you know, and everybody knew that Hitch got under everybody's skin and there was, you know, Rival out a couple of those, uh, with Hitch, I think Osh, back, his, Steener, I think everybody that, really cared about the game had a, a good fuck you, uh, match with, uh, with Hitch. Any, like, any ones in particular that really stand out? Like is there one? Oh, geez. Um, now I think there are just so constant that, you know, you kind of forget about most of them, but, um, yeah, and right now I can't really think anything off the, uh, the top of my, uh, my head. To mention the antics that were going on with me and Whit were there, like the minute he would step on the ice for practice, he barely tied his skates, right? He were just like slip-ons. Guys would just start like taking half-clapers at his feet. Then the trainers would obviously put the board on the, the bench side because he would walk on and he would just go up and down the bench side, holding the boards and never go to the other side. So I think it was auto still in camp when we were there. I think so. Yeah. I think it might have been auto when he came on the ice and he grabbed the board from the bench side and then moved it over to the penalty box side just so he had a skate across and then that's when they could fire the puxedist feet. So this is just like happening every day and I'm like, but when he got to the video sessions and he came in and addressed the team for somebody who never played, I was blown away at how he was able to articulate and simplify what he wanted out of his team. Yeah. He was so good. The hockey behind side of it, the identifying just different defensive schemes, little plays that might get you ahead and you know, you have some of those video sessions that were, you look at the bottom of the screen and it's 76 clips and you know, he kept the video guy up all night and then he showed two of them, he see the video guy in the background like, what was they doing all this work when he showed two clips, but yeah, he was really good at teaching the game and yeah, the one common goal for him was to, you know, to have, you know, just have everybody fighting for the same thing and usually it was against the coach. So he accomplished that all the time. Jack, those those those those blues teams in like 2012, 13, 14, they were, they were so hard to play against like you're going to St. Louis, it was hitch talking about like puck control, they'd wear you down, it just so happened, the black hawks and the kings those years were incredible, but in 14, I believe you guys were up, you're up to all after you scored the OT game winner in game two, right? Like do you remember that series at all? Because they ended up winning four straight, but you had you kind of like had that a stranglehold on it. Yeah, we did. Steener Sauer was kind of the same, you know, two years in a row, Steener Sauer, the the winner in game one, I scored the winner in game two and it just seemed like just the the bounces we weren't getting. I think we got, you know, game three and both series, I think it was a two one and we outshot them. It just seemed like everything kind of went wrong, a couple injuries to the second year in the LA series. I think we have three defensemen, I know with concussions, it just, you know, it's so hard to win in the league and those two teams, two of Chicago and in LA both went under win and they they had the timing, they had the grid and we just we got unlucky I think in both those years, but you know, and lost the two unbelievable teams. In your career, like the way you played, you know, you're in the West your entire career, was there one guy that you battled with like more than anyone else? Like was there a guy every time you played, you might be a fight, might be a battle in front? Or was it more just kind of anyone you played? You were just a prick too. Yeah, I tried to be a prick to everybody, but that first year, Bertuzzi was was my guy. We he had a little bit of height and weight on me, but I went after him so hard he came after me, the 7th game series in the first round in Vancouver and it was an all-out war and then I got to meet him in the summer after that and we were in Vegas for an award show and he was one of the my favorite people. He's the best. Well, so nice to me, you know, took him away and my girlfriend at the time with him and his wife and I just made sure that I was included and and then the next year he ended up you know, ending my season by smoking me and dislocating my shoulder. So and he was the first one on the tunnel after the game to you to make sure I was okay. So, you know, those battles respected it, you know, the hell out of them, but he was he was so good that year too. I think he was up for the for the MVP of the league and he was he was dominant and I took a lot of pride in you know, trying to try and to stop him. Now, were you one of those guys, did you have to like hype yourself up for something like that or it just kind of came naturally to you where you knew for you to stick around to be the player that you were you had to play like that night and night out? I had to play like that every night. I didn't have to hype myself up to do it, but you know, I just I took pride in the defensive side of the game every time that you, you know, you get to play some of the best players in the world as you you want to, you know, kind of compete with them. So, you know, playing against, you know, pay you canes and re times to try to make it hard on, you know, matched up against him, you know, every shift. And I remember one time, maybe God has got away with the cheap shot. I hit him in the in the back, I've written the kidneys, probably a little harder than I share with after a while, so then he turned around and, you know, just kind of that surprise, looking at his face, like, what did you just do to me? You know, it was the one time I maybe, uh, it's a little bit bad for maybe a second or two, but, you know, feeling went away. It kind of shows the evolution of the game too, like, you're beginning your career, you're going against guys that are six four, six five battle and then by the end of it, smaller guys like Patrick Kane. So the evolution of your game had to change as well, right? Yeah, you had the, you know, I went, went to the lead with the clutching and grabbing and, you know, you had to bench press, you know, 350 pounds to compete to, you know, a lockout, rule changes, you had become a better skater, you know, handle the puck more and just be a, you know, an all-around player. So I struggled a little bit, you know, right after the lockout, but, you know, I figured it out and, you know, I had a pretty decent career after that. Um, I would imagine you're probably watching a lot of Blues games, like, how many you think you watch a year? Yeah, well, between, you know, coaching and all that, I don't get to a lot, but yeah, I try and, you know, follow. So yeah, the Blues, you know, I'll probably, you know, catch probably 40 to 50 of them and, but yeah, I just try and, you know, keep up with the times here, you know, being in the office, you know, at Enterprise and, you know, sneaking out for practice once in a while, pre-game skates and stuff. Yeah, we're around. Is Steiner in like the rest of the guys in the organization, like asking you like what you what you think here, what you think there? I feel like, for like, maybe a small place and not a big market, it's one of the most guys stay in. I think it's actually like a, like a, like a stat where the most guys who've played there for a certain amount of time, and I'm just residing there. So I feel like you guys got like a great boys club and, and a lot to like bounce, like stuff off each other, like having a bigger round table is better, right? Yeah, now there's, you know, I'm trying to think all the guys, you know, we got Porto, you got McKinnes, Scott Melanby, you know, Steiner, you know, Otter, there's so many guys that have played they're actually working for the organization. So, wow, Steiner's got a lot of people that, you know, he kind of relies on and, you know, he bends my ear every once in a while, but, you know, he's got a pretty good support staff that's all in the hockey ops and then, you know, big Walt Zeus is going to give his opinion to my, you know, whether you like it or not. Tell me about being a hockey dad. Now I see your son, Kaden, he's played USHL games this year. It says for the US national team and then obviously for the team, your coach and St. Louis, like does he, does he have that edge like you played with? Like what's it like coaching him and, and just coaching kids in general now? It's awesome. I've been with kind of with the same group, court group of kids for five years now. Yeah, we've used 16 team or number two in the country behind Shaddick and have all these, you know, everybody on our team except for the one came from Omaha or all St. Louis, you know, born. So, no shit. Yeah, you know, for us to be, you know, highly ranked like that with the small group is awesome. And, you know, coaching my kid, it's great in the assistant coach and yeah, he's a great kid. He's got way better skill than I have. He gets hate. He's got hair. But, you know, he's, he's a good kid. He's been, you know, working his ass off for years and he's got that, you know, starting to get some recognition and, you know, him playing a few games in and Waterloo. He's, he's done well. So, you know, looking forward to watching him grow and, you know, see what next year hold. Well, that's pretty, and he just loves the game. Like, you could see the passion that you almost remember that you had. Oh, yeah, he loves it. He's, he's pretty hard knows. He goes to the net. You know, he's digging at the goal with all times and, you know, he gets punched in the head probably about 10 times a game. So, he's definitely, he's got some of my, you know, kind of, you know, hard knows. But yeah, he's good. He's, he's a very smart smart kid, smart on the ice, smart off the ice. Actually, a really good baseball player too. And it just lets all sports wherever you know, he could be in the, in the back yard with his boys and they're always doing something. When does he have to, like, how can he keep playing baseball now? Like, that's the thing we talk about on this show a lot. It's like, every guy who played seems to say they played a bunch of sports growing up as long as they could. And then you see, I'm sure you've seen some kids just doing hockey when they're nine. And it's like, oh, I think you got to do some other things here. Yeah, he's, you know, this year coming up is going to be a bit tough. So, he's playing high school baseball again. I had a lot of fun doing that last year. He's, he's only a sophomore, but yeah, he's going to do that. And then he's going to focus on, on his training this summer. So, no travel ball. It's, you know, at this age, the travel baseball, they go on weeklong tournaments and bounce from serious cities. So, he's really going to focus on the hockey training, but he's still, you know, hopefully, you know, another year from now, you could probably, you know, still play a little bit of baseball. Any crazy hockey story, hockey parents stories that you could share with us or is everyone seen to use you? Jack's knocked a lot. A guy out on live barn. Everyone's seen his clips and they're like, we don't want that smoke. Yeah, no, I've trained to stay off the, you know, the live barn, but yeah, no, there's, you know, crazy parents at all times. You know, it hasn't directly happened with our team. I think our parents are, you know, are pretty respectable, but, you know, we've been at the rank a few times where, you know, the police have been called on some parents blowing at it and, you know, yelling across the ice of the coaches. And, you know, it could get hit and, you know, the parents are on the glass, just losing their minds. So, um, yeah, nothing, you know, like the, you know, the, the brawls and the stands, but there's definitely some people who just take the game way too serious and don't know how to separate, you know, the, the ring from reality. Way to go, Paul. So G wrote in here, you fought some, some pretty big heavyweight, so it has a lute here. It actually has cam jances. So you fought him and played with him. Darren Downey went after, uh, Jance dropped his gloves and Jance skied away from him. So, I came off the bench and, uh, you know, went after him to kind of show him up a little bit, but, uh, yeah, but uh, far, far a few tough guys. Luch, yeah, you knocked me out. So at the, uh, uh, Gidey, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he got on the line of the year. Pretty good one. And, uh, yeah, that's how it goes. Now you want to bring up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the fact that, uh, I scored a goal when you were on the ice, probably the lowest point in your career loser. Um, I don't know, I kept you out of the hall of fame and saying, Lewis, they're like, yeah, you get, you sent it to me. Would you mean you haven't seen it? I was with Ryan Miller. You, I think you slid on the ice. Revo was on the ice. Revo, uh, I bent his head back like, oh my god, I'm gonna send down to the miners. This guy just scored on us. I was gonna ask, though, you said you had battles with Bertuzzi. Was there anybody that you like pre-lined it up, maybe even in warm-up where you're like, we're fucking going tonight. Like that, like that's how angry you were at the guy or we're mostly them, like net front battles in, like in the moment type of fights. Yeah, it was, uh, well, yeah, I think in the moment, there was some guys that I really hated that I knew maybe I'd go after them, but yeah, for the most part, it was easier, you know, protecting my teammates or, you know, just maybe I'm not playing good. So, you know, you're gonna get in a fight to try and make a difference. I hate the strong word. Like, who were the, like, the guys who were like, I want to fucking kill this guy. You. Uh, yeah. No. You didn't get on the ice enough for me to get exactly on belt. I remember one time I tried to get to the net on you and you boxed me out and I was like, fuck, I can't even get through through this guy. So that's one. That's why I knew we're I shouldn't get a little low guy, right? Yeah, Andrew Shaw. He was a guy. He got out of my skin at all times and, uh, yeah, he would never fight me and I think it was with, uh, he was either in Nashville in my last year in San Luis. Uh, he finally looked at me and he smiled and he goes, okay, it's time. I'll fight you now. And I just, I think I was shocked. Wendered the family of box and I think I said over on like, I've hated you for so long, but thanks for finally fighting me and you just kind of had a chuckle and yeah, I kind of knew the end of my career was coming. So, uh, you know, respectable. A lot of, uh, you know, guys that I battle against and, you know, he was one of that, uh, you know, he, you always played the game the right way and I respect him, but I, I, you know, despised him. You know what that is, boys, that's me, whether Pacquiao, he's like, I'm gonna wait till he's right out of his prime in the fighting department and then that's when I'm gonna go and what a smart guy. What a smart guy. Very couple clicks for Shazia. Hey, Jack's like, I gotta ask because, um, you know, he played your whole year career with St. Louis and then finished in Nashville. Um, probably difficult, right? Like moving on, but what was cool is you guys, you won first round in game seven with Nashville, lost second round game seven San Jose goes to the cup final. So kind of take me through leaving St. Louis and, and how hard it was maybe at the beginning of, of being a predator. Yeah, it was tough. Um, you know, you're, your, your life's kind of, uh, you know, you're in a parallel universe where, you know, you're playing Nashville and, you know, you, you kind of hate him, but, uh, you know, you just wear a blue note for so long, but I knew in my career, I kind of knew what was common. They had some, you know, Edmunds and Bertuzzo were, were kind of playing that same role that I was at parakel coming up from the, uh, from the minors and I was, you know, I wasn't stupid, and I, I understood, uh, that you said you're not to, to resign me and, and army was, was great about it and, uh, very respectful. We had great conversation and, um, you know, I had no hard feelings and he was, uh, so, you know, what he, uh, he did for me over the years, I, I really respected what he did, but, yeah, you go to Nashville and I was excited, um, you know, he'd part of a D-Core, uh, that I thought it was probably the best in the league. You know, Weber, Yoce, the Ellis at home and Seth Jones, and, you know, he was coming in. They wanted, uh, you know, they kind of told me that, you know, I want you to be a penalty killer and maybe take a few minutes off, uh, those big guys and, and, uh, but yeah, we, uh, it was a lot of fun, uh, you know, getting to, to no fish, you know, Ribeiro and, you know, just a lot of the older guys that really had a love for the game and, and, you know, did so much. So, uh, I went there and, you know, had to use GPS to get everywhere the first time in a while. Um, but yeah, and now it's, uh, Nashville is a great time and it's nice to see a different organization too. See how they run things and, you know, really make you appreciate, uh, you know, the league even more. Did you just say ribs and love at the game? Well, love in the boys, maybe. That was actually, I'm looking at that team. That was off Boarsburg's like second full year. That guy, you must have been right away like, holy shit. I love watching him play. He's, he's one of the most talented people I've ever been on the ice with, you know, I played with some pretty good players over the years, but the things that he could do with the puck and practice or even in games, he would be the guy and then he turned around and just to do it again and, and, you know, go through his legs and, uh, his hand-eye coordination, just what he could do with the puck and, uh, and just an unbelievable person too. You know, he, he had so much fun. He was always smiling and just, uh, but yeah, I know the talent that he has and still showing it is, is, is pretty special. I was with him in Colorado and like, got to meet him for the first time and holy man, what a cool cat he is. He's just like, no, no, no, wrong for us, bro, wrong for us. Oh, oh, oh, fuck, he was a Nashville too. I was like, I mean, you could basically say the same thing about both guys, right? Yeah, for sure. One to write. He wants to laugh. Yeah, I was thinking about that. Yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. Well, it was a long night last night. I'll tell us how you feel about Peter though. Yeah. Yes. Did you know Rick? Rick Jackman. You've been prepping for. Oh, it was what you were with. With Pittsburgh. Well, you were too, weren't you? Yeah. He was the guy. Jack. Oh, I have, I had like seven points in my first four games at Pittsburgh. Came out to me and say, it's not this fucking easy, buddy. And then I loved them though. Love that guy. Classic. Put, yeah, we're interviewing Barrett. This is Barrett. Oh, thanks. Did you know, did you know that was it? Like, you decided to hang them up? Could you have maybe signed with somebody? Like, what told you it was time? Well, Nashville bought me out. So I knew if they're going to pay me to stay home, that maybe I should. That was another one from G in the shot here. Yeah, that's why I hung them up. I was told that they'll pay me to not be on the team. Yeah. That was my dog died yesterday, too. Do you want to bring that up or what? Oh, God. That was like Tyson Barry when he's like, I kind of knew it was time when like, literally no one would answer my calls. Like, no, one team would answer the calls. So that's thinking. I was trying to play, man. I was trying to play. It wasn't my idea. So you might have been able to get a deal. I guess just I don't want to move again. Yeah, I had a couple calls, one try out and then I had one offer. But I had a torn labor room in my hip and didn't realize how bad it was. So I had surgery a few months after deciding what the home life was calling. I just wanted to be a good father to be around when my kids were young. So grateful. I played for as long as I did. It was just time. I kind of knew it and enjoyed my family time and just hanging out and saying, was it the short legs? Why the hips stop working? Like, what was the end when you're saying short, like, what are we talking for an inseam here? How tall are you exactly? Well, you know, when I sit down, I'm still six feet, but my legs are dangling under the desk right now. What type of everything? I got 30 inch. 36 foot. Yeah, 33.1. So it's not too bad. I don't look that awkward. Not like wall. So I can't look up this luch fight not to bring that up. You had him. You had him. He caught you with the one right. I just watched it. You were fucking kind of giving it to us for a minute. So yeah, we could bring up the dog's funeral and stuff and anything else happened that we want. Yeah. Now that luch fight, yeah, he just caught me in the race up behind the ear. But now he hit me so hard right before that behind the net. So, you know, I knew I had to fight him and that we got done and, you know, wall comes out to me and goes, oh, yeah, my brother told me that guy is pretty tough. That nobody should fight him. Well, yeah, you're about 30 minutes too late for that. Thanks for the note. Yeah. Do you have any type of strong opinion on like where the like where the game is right now, maybe with like the development of kids in minor hockey, like just like the way there's like anything as far as as far as how these kids are being taught nowadays. Yeah. Do you notice the lack of maybe hockey IQ a little bit? Oh, absolutely. You know, I think a lot of these kids are doing, you know, private lessons and, they might be working more one-on-one instead of doing the, you know, the team stuff. And, you know, like you mentioned before, both playing different sports. I think these kids are specializing way too young and, you know, getting advisors when they're six years old and, you know, kids moving away from home at, you know, at 10, 11, 12 chasing the best team in the country. I think there's a lot to be said about, you know, developing homegrown talent, being with your family, you know, learning how to be a good person. But yeah, I know the hockey IQ, I really think these kids should, you know, it's more about team sports and less on the individual. So, yeah, that's, this is my opinion. I know, you know, all these skills coaches are probably my best. And I think there's a, you know, a place for skills, individual skills, but I think there should be a lot more, you know, team, you know, practices, you know, playing scrimmages, small area games where you're, you know, you're competing and just learn, learn the game that way. Yeah, the whole one-on-one thing. I don't think people realize that people in the NHL rarely get beat one-on-one, especially playing against a guy like you, but I just got a text from Oshi and he said, ask him about the rookie party in San Francisco. Oh, the rookie party, San Fran. Ah, yeah, we, we ended up, I think we're playing in Edmonton or something that I'd be for. So, we ended up flying into San Fran and, you know, just kind of having a day off. Boys, you know, spent a lot of time with the pub and then we went to a nice restaurant after and DJ King and Ken Janssen decided that they, in the restaurant, we're going to see who was tougher. So, yeah, they're pretty banged up and you punch me first, so they punch me in the face and, you know, they laugh and didn't hurt and, you know, the other one hits each other and they go back and forth or the manager comes up to me and he's like, they can't do that. This is a nice restaurant. Can you at least tell them to leave? So, they went outside and yeah, they were, you know, got a few more punches in. Nothing bad. They were just, you know, one for one and, you know, very calm about it. And then he took the bus back to San Jose right after and, you know, big Walt was sitting there pissing off King or King or was trying to go out for a walk and Walt kept calling or pussy. So, I'm sitting there hanging on the King or so he doesn't, you know, kill big Walt and, yeah, so just, you know, thinking about these stories, it's, yeah, I'm just, we missed the game. Maybe I'll talk in there. Are we talking almost like OG slap fight type thing where except punches where both hands were beside you guys on the guy's side and boom, whale away. Wow, yeah, I think Dana White knows these guys a few bucks. Yeah. Those two were tough individuals and, you know, not all there in the, in the mind, but DJ King was one of those guys where you were like, Colt Moore, you're like, please help these scratchers with tonight. Please, please don't have me in the same lineup. These guys are, yeah, these guys are tough as nails and, you know, just great, great people too. Is there anybody that you were afraid of? Like, was there, was there a fear with with anyone like one guy? Luke. It's not really, I think, you know, just kind of the lore of, you know, Grobert, Lora for sure, you know, kind of getting the league. You know, you said so much respect for him. You stayed away from him and we had guys that, you know, we're doing that on our teams. I didn't really have to be afraid. I'm, yeah, there was nobody that, you know, I was a decent fighter. You know, grew up, you know, I served fight when I was 14, 15 years old in junior B and knew how to protect myself. I wasn't going to win every fight, but just, I know you can protect myself even against some of the bigger guys. So never, never had that fear. Well, Jack, this has been awesome, buddy. We appreciate it. It's so cool. You've done with the alumni. Look at that. Oh my God. Where the fuck did you get that? He grabbed that out of the trash. It's been hanging in my house ever since you left. So, wow, that's an honor with basically you're in the hall of being there too. It's over his fireplace. He sent me a picture before. It's pretty sick. I didn't think you'd break it out for this man. That's nice. You I took out the glass for you. So, yeah, I put it back in the whole time. I'm missing. There's people who are listening right now who have no idea what we're laughing about, but Jackman here, Tim Jackman, I just held up a, a riot Whitney, St. Louis Blues number six, Jersey sign. Now, where, where did you actually get that? That was a two preseason games. You did a sad face underneath it. Yeah, not a heart. Oh, this has been hanging the hall of fame. Sure, for case here since Whit left. Yeah, no, it actually they him and Coruso. They switch every other week. They give it to each other for the whole. So they're good to represent. That's a beautiful experience with Hitch and Biz. He uses mine to wipe his cornhole. So she after I walked him and then he got dealt the fucking St. Louis to Nashville and bought out. That was the end. That was the final thing when army said, yeah, Biz put one in off your shin pad. That's it, buddy. Thanks for your run. They imagine Hitch when you get back to the bench after Biz walks you. Oh my god. I was a healthy scratch left. What the fuck was that? I think it's time to hang him up. Rick and then he said Tim. Oh, Barrett Jackman. Thank you very much, bud. Thank you so much to Barrett Jackman. What a player. What a guy. We appreciate him sitting down with us for an hour there. So guys, things are going well for the Rangers. Yeah. Holy shit. The the the fire drury chance being down six nothing to Ottawa. It seems like they're getting trounced every single game. I don't know, man. Like this is a disaster. So you got a paneron. It'll be out. I don't know who else they move. I don't know how long, you know, hopefully, Christopher get get I Rangers fans want him out. But personally, I'm friends with them. I'm not hoping the guy gets fired. I hope he gets a chance. It just seems like everyone's turned on him. I get it. That's how it works. You lose games and and you know, you make this big trade for JT Miller. He's captain. He's talking on the media after when asked what was up with the first period. He's like, I don't know. That's not great. I mean, kind of honest. Yeah. I don't really pay attention to him remembering playing. I was never a captain. Sometimes you really don't know. Yeah. I got no fucking clue. Well, Rick, I wasn't really paying attention. Clearly, you didn't watch because I wasn't either. Yeah, it's tough sledding it. I feel bad for them because I mean, when I played there, we were unreal. You know, one, I would say, majority of our games at home, but listening to that crowd, that's tough sledding. And then it was dead quiet at some point. I mean, they were down for a call. But in the first period. So it's tough for the fans to get into. But that's a tough building to not be feeling your best. But it doesn't look like anything's even in sight there. Obviously, Luzon, Susturk, and the brutal quicks been hung out to dry. Like just I feel horrible for him. It's 800 start. He got pulled. Yeah. It's also also was it? Yeah. Was it? Oh, somebody was saying like it shows that how nasty Shasturk and his like, this is the team. This is how bad they are. What do they call it? Put a bandaid, put an abandoned on it. Like he put a bandaid on that team. You thought they were okay. They just couldn't score for the first 20 games. But when he's not in there, they are the Hartford Wailers or whatever they're the Hartford Wolf pack. They are not a good team right now. It's tough to watch. But you look at that roster, right? There's talent there. There are guys who can play. They got two guys, at least two guys going to Olympics. Oh, no, probably even more as a Ben and Chad. So I mean, there are guys there that know what it takes. They're big time players. It's just finding a way. And I don't know. Like it just seems like one of those years that nothing's going right for them. I feel bad for them. I feel bad for Drew. I don't think it's his fault. But yeah, tough sled in their ed MSG. For based on expectations, this might be the worst team a team has ever been at home. For at least, I'm not saying I thought that they were going to be world beaters. But I think we all saw them on like the playoff cost line of like fighting for a wild card. Like you would expect the team that was getting a lottery pick to be this bad at home. And it just so happens. It's the most famous arena on the planet. That's got to be brutal. True regulation wins all season at home. That is imagine pains for seasons. And it was probably one nothing. They beat San Jose or was the San Jose beat them. Oh, I think they beat San Jose six five. That might have been their first one. I think that was yeah, you're right. Right. Yeah, that was so great. That was interviews. Yeah, guys coming up on Monday. It's prime Monday and hockey. We talk about this on the second episode each week. Wild versus Toronto. That's a one. That's one I'm excited for. 730 Monday, January 19th. Our listeners in Canada can watch Monday nights game on prime video. If you're already a prime member, you're all set. If not, sign up for free trial at primevideo.com prime Monday and hockey. It's on Monday. It's on prime prime. Prime Monday and hockey is available free to prime members in Canada. Start your free trial at prime video.com and for the full prime Monday night hockey schedule, visit primevideo.com slash S a l p slash NHL. Biz, if you guys the way you've turned things around, I forget that I throw out that Utah loss. You beat Colorado. Yeah, back to back. Yeah, then you're on a back to back. That's going to happen. If you can beat Minnesota at home, that's a statement win, buddy. That's a statement. And Matthews, I don't know if he was ever hurt, but something clicked and he now looks dominant. He looks faster, but I don't think I got my swag up. That little, that little hand movement he did with the double birds being in the room was classic. That was aura. They call that aura farming. Like the kids these days. He's got aura. He does. I like, I might get a fucking hula hoop earring like him. Like he's the coolest guy in the world. Yeah, he's a fucking man, dude. Imagine the amount of pressure playing in Toronto. He lose your top end guy and then he's fucking putting on the second half he's been doing. I don't know who his doctor is, but whatever vitamins he's on, I want him because he is a different player. It looks, you know what he looks like? It's look like what OV went back home a few times middle of the season and all of a sudden he came back and he was like, whoa, who's this guy? Jesus pissing out diesel fuel. When he calls in 22 games, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we'll trip back to Moscow and all these humming again. But I don't think Matthews went anywhere. But the best part about what you say with is I don't think you can deny they look different. And that's what's that's what's pumped about. So going going to Minnesota, Amazon Prime Monday, get the job done. Let's go. And, um, biz, I would like to see one in your opinion. Does anyone on Toronto take a run at Mitch Mariner in Vegas tonight? No. And the best part about all this is the way they're playing is people can start realizing that there's a life past this guy. He did so much for the team. I'm sure it's going to be an emotional game. He was so like, um, he was obviously fired up from Matthews and in beat in the Leafs record. And I'm sure he fucking called them and had a good chat with him. He's like the main reason the assistant on the most goals. So I'm sure like, it's like, I'm pumped for that for it to be over with probably for everybody. It'll be emotional and, and, you know, people say what they'll say online. But he's happier by moving there. And, and I think that the Leafs are going to be better off in the end without them. That's it. That's all I got to say. Is that fair? What do you guys think? That it. That is fair. That is fair. It's now time for the rear. The man, rear admiral, he's known. Uh, first appearance on Netflix. Let's throw it to R.A.s world. Hello, everybody. Welcome to R.A.s world. They're in the spit and chicklets podcast. Boys, how's it going? Biz, want to go to you first. Congrats on the new deal. Awesome. Joa between the benches last night. Great shit. Uh, this is being a buy another house. Maybe we'll see. Yeah. Yeah. Buy you a ray. I'm going to buy you. I'm going to buy the place next door to you so we can hang out more. Would you ever have Minty house sit for you and how much would you charge him for? All of fuck. Uh, Mintcy, I would give Mintcy one night stay at my house per year. And that's it. That's it. He gets one night. And next time I'm, I'm going to put him in sand benets cage with nothing. He can't touch anything. It's going to look like a prison cell. Yeah. He's a bit of a farm animal. I love the stuff at the end of the game last night where when I rob Ray, you look like Kevin Baker from Animal House. Thank you, sir. May I have another? I got a funny story. It was probably 25, 26 years ago. Wait, you remember the rack, the bar in town, like a lot of the athletes choose to go there back in the day. Two months. The Bruins game. Yeah. Yeah. He owned a piece of it. Dave Andrew Chuck, Dougie Gilmore and Rob Ray were there when they all played for the sabers together. And, you know, I was some a big hockey guy walked over to say what's up. And totally unpromptored. Ray looks happy. Any trip. I had a silk button down from structure. It was like fancy silk shirts. He's like, yeah, nice shirt. And I went right back. I was no wonder why you always get your ass kicked the fucking Gilmore and Andrew checks out of pissing the cells laugh. And he laughed too. But it was like, I didn't bust this ball. He kind of trip. We off the hop. So it was pretty funny watching that shit last night. You guys just mentioned my not actually my Netflix debut. Of course, the town was streaming on Netflix before. This time you'll know it's me. It's on like blurry white fan. I love that. They're all right. I love that. Thank you for the fact that's a big time array line right there. Just. I literally spent on Netflix before guys. It is. I mean, it's while time flies. I remember 22 years ago, waiting patiently for the next DVD of the wire. That's how you first watched the wire. You had to get one DVD at a time. I banged out the whole series in a few months. So yeah, to be on Netflix now, it's awesome. Great stuff. I'll have a little more on Netflix. Chat later. But by the time this episode drops, big Z is the day no trial. We'll have seen his number 33 joined 12 other franchise ledges in the TD God and Raptors. First since Willio Reback in 2022. I'd say, I mean, one of the two best free agents signings in Boston's sports history. Big Pappy David Oates the other. I'm not going to fight over who's number one. They're going to be giving out Bobble heads. Hopefully G ended up at one. But this is going to be the first number retirement. I've missed the new bond. I was there for book or Riley, Naley, Middleton, and Willio Reed. Why aren't you going? I'm still still kind of a wounded duck right now. I'm not. This guy's yeah, I saw you. So you're just like laid up for weeks now. I have an MRI schedule next week. I started physical therapy. It's definitely not it's something. My PT guy said it's definitely not sciatic. I probably have it could be my L5. That's one could be a herniated. I think you got to activate some muscles. R a like you got to do some glue exercise. You need you got to have muscles first activate it. Okay. And especially my ass. I said it before I left my ass in the womb. But no, I've been doing that. My PT guys give me some exercise to doing. I feel a little bit better. But like I don't want to be walking around the fucking God would it came out of breath hobbing around like fucking Yoda for three hours. So yeah, I mean, I would have been nice to have been there. But you know, all right. You should call Mitch and move it for you. Yeah, they should. They're going to throw it in our eyes. But you should have mincey fly there in wheelchair. You into the game. Like just fuck. No. Yeah, he'll probably lead me in a section. Walk away. Yeah. Go roll up. He's going. Jean can wheelchair you. He'll lock you. You have to like the highest bit. But yeah, you could babysit him. I'll, you know, they'll pay him. I mean, we're close enough with big seas now. I'm sure her lend you his chair. He's following on me. Did he? No. Yeah. We're boys. We can say that. Yeah. It's no, absolutely. Absolutely. I met him down there. Well, the cup final that we won't mention. But yeah, I met him before the disaster of game seven before the game had a nice little chat with him. But back to the retired numbers, the Terry O'Reilly, when he retired his number, was October 24th, 2002. That was a rough night afterwards. I lost my task. Bob ahead. And one of my buddies got shanked that night. They was we went to the Irish embassy. I don't know. You guys what? What were you more upset about? What were you more? The bubble? I don't care if Ricky got stabbed. I lost my bubble head. I lost my liver. My boy P-Mac from Selda. No, like we went there every before we game after we game. We didn't stop trouble at all. A couple of, you know, meat heads after the game started. I was chocolate. I was like pretty much legless. So I was useless as far as the fight. But yeah, my buddy was scrapping. He looked down. He was fucking, you know, cut up. He was fucking bleeding. Had to go match general around the block. So, yeah, pretty wild. Yeah. Well, Terry O'Reilly night, I guess. But he was all good at the end of the day. I heard you guys talking about the Preds earlier. And we showed a fantastic hockey photo last week at Trevor Zegress celebrating his goal. But Steven Stamco. So I mean, look at this picture. I mean, look at that photo, man. That is incredible. That looks like weight and flurry. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if posture would trade for him now. Still doesn't want him. He said, yeah, washed up. Yeah. 20 goals. But he said, well, it was a good pole vault. Never pole vault before. It was a little scary. You don't want to land in your head, but no worse for the way. Yeah, just a phenomenal photo by the Preds team photographer, John Russell. And there's so many great team photographers out there. I know Brian Babino. He's been here in Boston for years. His dad was the photographer back in the 70s. His dad's Steve. So, I think, you know, it's no doubt Bob, you're flying through the best hockey, most iconic hockey photo ever. But would it like some of your favorites? Keith, I'll go to you first. What's your favorite, are you most, you know, beloved hockey photo of all time? I'd probably say the one with Wayne Gratsky and Gordy Howe with the hook around the stick around his neck. That's probably my, besides the Bobby R1, that's probably the one I probably think of the most. Wow. This is a great we should do Mount Rushmore of like sickest hockey for us. I would definitely say Wayne and Gordy with the stick is that's insane. The Bobby R1 leaping through the air. Yeah. Google win. Well, dude, I actually wanted to see the picture that I was thinking of. And it is as good as I remember, but go ahead, Bizz. I would say you'd have to almost put Bobby Clark with the Philadelphia Flyers holding the mugs smiling with no bulldozer. No front, no teeth there. Like that's as hockey as it gets. Is there, is there like a Michael Jordan with him like crying with it like in the shower type photo that hockey has? Yeah. I can't think of one of the top of my head, but I do think now might be the time to bring up Tim Jackman instead of Barrett Jackman, the Whitdog. The headless defenseman. That's kind of an iconic photo. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. One I was thinking of is in Mangia Pondies in the stands. No, is whoever's hugging Jack O'Callahan after they beat Russia in 1980. Oh, when he's down on the ground. Over him. Yeah, that is a really good one. Yeah. That one is incredible. And the other one, and I thought of this one too, because I just listened to the audio book of Ken Dryden's memory of the 72 Summit series is Paul Henderson being hugged. You can see one Russian defenseman. It looks like cage is there instead of the glass 72 Summit series. And the guy who's hugging Henderson, it just there was no names on the back. It was just Canada. So those are two international photos. Yeah. Did you also say the, did you also say the the miracle one? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's Jack O'Callahan. Okay. I don't know if he's down on his knees or he's standing up, but he's in the Ken Dryden. Ken Dryden. He's resting his arms on the, are rest and then. So I think we're looking at the same image. How I think maybe one of the funniest ones ever is Mark Messier with a facecloth over his dog sitting there with Gary Coleman drinking up like. Probably the funniest picture of it. And also old school. He's had his beard in his head too. I think. Yeah. Yeah. When I was old, like stubby like old school cause bottles. But also Maurice Rashad, the handshake with sugar gym Henry, where he's got the bandaid on his face with the blood. I think it was somewhere in the 50s. I think it was the semi finals. Another one, RA after one of the devil Stanley Cups, Scott Stevens and Goldberg, the wrestler shirts off in the locker room and Stevens is just as Jack does him. It's pretty sick picture. Yeah. And I mean, that was I mean, everyone likes pictures, but I was like eight, nine years old. I used to have a life magazine subscription. Do you remember that? Yeah. Playboy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am playboy. I was. Yeah. Playboy first. Playboy as well. Yeah. brought me into manhood. But no, I've always had a huge thing for like photo journalism and life magazine. That was like a sort of a pioneer. And I think, you know, what everyone has a camera on the phone. I think sometimes it might even be taken for granted. But, you know, photography, it's timeless. It documents history. And it's great to have these pictures from, you know, like I said, the Maurice Rashad from the 50s, man, it's just awesome to have, you know, these snapshots of historic events. So, Judo told all the guys in the house, take a picture's out there. The Vancouver riot one after they lost to the Bruins. That's a pretty iconic one. Oh, the guy making out with the girl. Yeah. Guy was getting it in right in the street deal. It's like I found it all around them stuff. I found the greatest one of all time. Don't look around drinking the water by the King's bench and the water squirting out the other way. I think you guys remember that one. And then off. Yeah. And then it's, you know, some of them are just they're sort of simple, but they're like kind of like the one of Stevie I said, I mean, I think it's 1984. I don't know if he's in the penalty box in the Bench. He's just kind of leaning over. It's just just like, you know, sort of plain shot, but it's, you know, become iconic given, you know, his career and stuff. So again, you know, shout out to all these folks who like hockey, or wherever taking, taking pictures, man, especially people who do it in tough areas, you know, like war car sponsors and shit, man, those people put their ass in the line to take pictures, you know, you know, again, the document what's going on in history. So give a little shout out to the photographers. We're just talking about Barry Jackman. I want to just mention him when we went to the all-star game, I think with 2020 in St. Louis, that was the first that I met the Gretzky boys. Literally knew the 10 minutes and they're like, oh, you're coming to I find this surprise 59th birthday tomorrow night. I was like, is this really going on right now? Like I literally know them for two minutes. They invited me to their dad's body. But after I don't know if it was the first date with the skills of the after the game, but we went back to Barrett Jackman's house. And you know what St. Louis, they have those like sort of man cave garages behind the house. You have like you ever seen you best to see a couple of those biz. No, they're like, it's a garage behind the house, but it's like a like a giant man cave. Oh, yeah. Like you know, those they're like not particular to like sing Lewis, but I've never seen anything like that. But like a shit off of the garage. Yeah, like it's it's like a yeah, the garage behind the house, but like, yeah, I mean, it's basically like a glory like a fucking glorified man. Oh, it does. Yeah, we went back there. And I never met Barrett before that night. And he was just such an awesome dude. Showed me an incredible hospitality. Shot the shit all night. Just an awesome dude. So I just wanted to mention that like what we had on the interview today, just a great dude. And obviously, he got in the blues Hall of Fame the other night. And also we want to congratulate our Kelly Chase. He got the true blue award at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony. And goth Brooks is a buddy his and he was dead on his friend. And he gave him a little chirp as well. Fish are gonna cue that up. Little little dig was pretty funny. Can we lastly just clear the error. Chase has been telling everyone that you wrote the song Friends in Low Places after him. Is that true or not? Yeah, you don't get any lower than that. Just good shit. You know, ball bust and hockey like that's the such a huge pile of hockey colleges. Boston balls. I know got Brooks didn't play, but it was nice to bring a little levity to the situation. And again, congrats to our buddy Chase. So I'm getting the true blue award. Moving along today in NHL history. So pretty good shit happened. There's 66 years ago today. Goody Howe had a goal in and assisted a 3-1 win over Chicago to pass Maris Rashad and take over as the NHL's all-time lead point getaway 947 points. He'd hold the record for 29 years until guy named Wayne Gretzky passed him 1851 points. Pretty good stuff there. And then 58 years ago today, the Leafs beat the NHL All-Stars at Maple Leaf Gardens. This was back. The All-Stars game was the Stanley Cup winner from the previous year would play a collection of all the other All-Stars around the league. Something that we would never have today, but obviously wouldn't happen. But would you think Keith would defend and cup champs regardless of what team it would even have a chance against the best of the rest of the league these days, given the talent and the league? No, just because it would be played more as like a pawn hockey game, right? And it's just you're taking all all stars, but maybe if like you played it, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, but it's kind of wild that they did that. But that was great. Yeah, they did it. 1968. Obviously, the last time the Leafs won the cup is, I believe, was 1967. I'm not sure if you do that. 1967. This is the wild one. 20 years ago today, Ovechkin scored probably the most dazzling of his 917 goals versus the Phoenix Coyotes, which wild though, Gretzky was coaching the Yoats at the time. His, his, in yours TNT co-work, a Brian Boucher was in the net. And this is the wildest pot. Eight-year-old Austin Matthews was actually at that game. No way. It's good that wild goal. Yeah. Yeah, I started a YouTube. Yeah. I started a YouTube comment. I was like, I got a double check this and yeah, I've heard him say that. Yeah, pretty, pretty wild stuff. So yeah, pretty interesting day. Crazy that he's going to end up passing him too. Obviously, we mentioned Netflix. I've been a long time subscriber and you know, I've been watching a few things lately. You want to share what I've been seeing. Jay Kelly, I don't know if you guys seen this. It's George Clooney. He stars, he's an aging actor with, you know, kind of like not really a midlife crisis. Just a guy who probably had a lot of regrets in life. You know, he's basically sort of almost playing a version of himself. Adam Sandler's in it. He plays his manager, but I thought it was pretty good. I don't know. Any guy see it. I know you're busy. You're busy as a motherfucker. You probably have a key. I don't know if you watch. No, I haven't seen it. It's obviously not everybody can relate to an actor, but you know, I'm obviously a little older than you guys. I thought just as a person getting older, I relate it to a lot of just, you know, you get to a certain stage of life and you think back of decisions you made. And that's, you know, sort of the theme of the movie. No a bomb back directed. It's, you know, sort of a drama comedy, but I definitely recommend it, man. I thought Clooney was excellent in it. I don't know if he's going to get nominated, but again, it was just more of like, you know, I think the older you have them, maybe more you can relate to it. Also, are you watching the Golden Globes? I did. Yeah, I had, I had the Patriots on the stage, the main stage, and I had the Globes on the side stage behind me on the other TV. What'd you think? I was entertaining. You know, they kind of cleaned it up a little like they basically, years ago, they had not that many voters and they were basically on the take. They were getting sort of not bright, but they were getting gifts and they were swaying votes. But yeah, it was pretty good. I'm not surprised one battle after another one. I think that's probably the Oscar favorite, but yeah, it's entertaining. Thanks to watch that today. I watched that today. What you think? I liked it a lot, but I'm a huge Leo guy. So like anything. I'm a big Leo guy too. So, but I thought it was good. I was actually wondering who directed that. I didn't even look before or after all Thomas. Yeah, he's a good. Yeah, he's married to, um, oh my god. Jesus Christ. Brainfight on Saturday Night Live. Am I a Rudolph? Oh, that's your name. Okay, I got the wrong name. Saturday Night Live. She used to be on. Yeah. Yeah. Her mother was actually was singing back in the 70s. Remember that song? Love it. You. Yeah. Yeah. She's beautiful. Her mother sang that song. I got a great, great voice, but yeah, I enjoyed it. You know, I like the Oscars. I got some futures on the Oscars too. So, shout out, draft Kings. Also, the new Frankenstein, um, Guillermo Del Toro directed, he's a great imaginative direct imaginative director Oscar Isaac and Jacob, uh, Jacob, a Lordy, stagnant. I know it's an old story that's been done a bunch of times, but I enjoyed the hell out of it. It was sort of a different take on on Frankenstein in the monster, but I'd recommend that man. It was just a classic story about, you know, a mad scientist who basically makes this sort of monster, but you have empathy for him and I huge truck and huge fan of the movie. I'm sure I'm sure the ladies love that Jacob guy is a Jacob, a Lordy, Jacob, a Lordy, and then him and that, um, who's the Aston Butler or Austin Butler? Oh, the kid who was in a monster, Austin Butler, all they chick, the girls are all over these guys. I got a funny story about Jacob, a Lordy. I was at a restaurant in New York City one time and we walked in and a Lana just lost control. I don't know what happened to her. She just, she, she just took it to dark restaurant. It's one of those restaurants where you're really not supposed to take out your phone, takes out her phone immediately and she's like, get away from me, get away from me. Blashes snaps a picture of Jacob, a Lordy who's waiting in line for the bathroom. The flash goes off. Oh, no. Jacob, a Lordy, then just stops, stops in his tracks. Doesn't say word to us, walks around to his table, probably sitting at a table with like 10 people, waves to the table, says, I'm leaving walks right out of the restaurant. It was a top lock. I still give her shit to this day for it. I get it. I get it. Like, you're just, you know, I, I personally would never, like if Leonardo Caprio was at the table next to me, I wouldn't bother. I wouldn't say hello because I could only imagine how fucking annoying it is for him to be alive. Oh, yeah. Could you imagine? It happened to me. We were in Vegas, playing in Vegas and Jay while was sitting at the table next to us and Jersey shores my favorite show of all time. And I'm like, took to all the guys on the team. I'm like, can you guys do me a favor and go over there and say, Hey, we're NHL players. One of one of our teammates is a huge fan. Do you mind taking a photo with him? Oh, my God. And I'll never forget Aaron Eckblad looked at me and he goes, you are the biggest loser I've ever met. And I was like, I, I just finished my sushi and didn't get a photo. No, you never took down snooki. I wasn't playing with his at the time. So no one. Um, but I love first of all, love Jay while, like, yeah, that's my pattern. Jury, little Chris Jury, was a square toe. Do you have us watch the show you for you? Jay, that's, yeah, no, I never saw that unbelievable show. There we go. Um, like classic recommendation. It's not too old, but it's definitely a classic Brock Maya. Um, awesome show. It's unbelievable. You've seen it. Yeah, it's great. Awesome show. Hank Azaria, who's, you know, bring into these one of the voice actors on the Simpsons does like 15 voices on there. He plays a baseball announcer. He loses his shit. His career like bottoms out. He has to stop him at bottom, but it's hilarious. It's very sharp, like, you know, like critical about, you know, pop culture and the internet. It's brilliant script has an awesome cast, Amanda Pete, Tyrell Jackson Williams. And I praised it when I hit Netflix. And I got a retweet in a fall from the legend himself, Hank Azaria, man. He actually, quote tweeted me. I was pretty fired up. I've been watching. Oh, there is right there. Appreciate that. Everybody go watch on Netflix. They're, uh, they're relationship and they're chemistry and that show is great. It's an awesome show like lighthearted, easy, easy watch. You watch a lot of TV, ain't no. I mean, I've seen one show that he said. Oh, no, I could have been doing this segment for like four weeks. Don't, I don't you watch below that you watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything, anything mindless, anything mindless I watch, but, yeah, how much, how many hours of TV do you consume a day? Probably from eight to 10, 30, 11, but I mean, a lot of it now is hockey. I honestly haven't watched a ton of reality lately. You got me working so much. It is. If you, if you, if you, I look at first show, the Brock my absolutely hilarious brilliant writing and having a watch. I mean, Amanda Pete as well. All right. I got a couple of picks fly before we sign off here. Saturday afternoon and Calgary. We don't know the line. Jed obviously still got a couple of games to go. I'm on the Islanders. I don't know what the line is. I can't imagine they're going to be more than minus 150, but they've been playing well lately. Calgary is just kind of a middle middleing, not too much, not impressing me at all. So Saturday, take the Islanders. If they're not more than a buck 50 and NFL pick Patriots, Moneyline minus 170. I think it's going to be a tight game. And there's not the worst and laying three points in the team wins by one or two. So we'll risk the 170 for a patch win and weather report just come out today too. There's a storm of common snow is going to be coming to New England. So I think that's going to benefit New England. Houston, Southern team, you know, as a stereotype teams don't do as well. You know, Southern teams come in North. And I think that may play as a fact here. But that's Moneyline and Island is on Saturday. Boys, that's our raise world for today. Any final thoughts, questions or that was awesome. Snapping reality, buddy. Real unreal. I just want to promote. We got the Penn State Merch drop in. I dropped this week. Got a little deal with Gavin McKenna. So a little NIL deal for Gavin McKenna. Just what he needs a little bit more NIL money, but Penn State Merch releasing it. I believe today. And then it's going to be sold at the game at the outdoor game at Beaver Stadium. So hockey Valley, we got you covered. Gee, I sent that picture to all my Penn State's buddies. And I know you're getting a package ready for them. They were full Lord with how it came out. It's amazing. Got my packages. Can't wait to rocket in in death Valley hockey Valley. I do got one one addition to the wall here. That's my ah 2011 Stanley Cup press pass. Bram, a little basketball, a split back home. So I found that dug it out of somewhere and stuck it on the wall. That's when you had your terry O'Rhyan, a terry O'Rhyly ball blood. He's got the knife that his buddy got stabbed. To get a wipe it off with the fucking with the with the class. I don't get to get the fingerprints. That is so good. I boys always a blast. Cutting up with you guys. Can't wait to do it again and enjoy a weekend. And what else is going on? Love you boys. You're busy. You're a busy beaver lady. I've been busy, but no, I appreciate that you coming on our A and bringing some energy. And yeah, going back to what I said at the beginning of the podcast, just thank you to everybody in Buffalo who made that a very special night, including you guys. And yeah, I thought it was successful. And look at forward to just keep doing more. And maybe we can get a little R.A. Camille in the next one, like a TNT when we went there for the all cast. I'm always down to that. I know that. Awesome. That's a thiz being. All right, everybody. Have a great weekend and we'll see you soon. I'll be there. One after one after again. One after one after one after again. A bad habit worth breaking. But it's taking time. I don't know. It don't let it. It's going to happen. It's going to happen again. Okay.