439: The Kennedy Center Will Not Hold

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On Tuesday, a Justice Department attorney was in federal court to explain why ICE had repeatedly failed to comply with court orders. And she cracked, said the government's lawyer to the judge, I wish you would just hold me in contempt of court so I could get 24 hours of sleep. Interesting. Do you think that they let ICE prosecutors get a good night's sleep in jail? When you think about it, the lawyer, Julie Lay, added, the system sucks. This job sucks. She also told the judge that getting ICE to comply with court orders or even to respond to her messages was like pulling teeth. I have never in my life felt better about not going to law school. Have fun trying to get ice to answer your increasingly desperate emails while you sniff the armpit of that Ann Klein blazer you've been wearing for four days. I'm over here typing Bongino into RhymeZone.com. The Justice Department has since removed Leigh from her role in these cases. This isn't the kind of thing you can just come back from at ice, like shooting a nurse. Totally correct. That's the right reaction. I think the joke is ethically sound. Your reaction was correct. We're all good. We're all good. We're going to move forward. There are so many openings at the Department of Justice that the administration is, and this is real, recruiting lawyers on social media. Senate administration official, if you are a lawyer and are interested in becoming an AUSA, that's an assistant U.S. attorney, and support President Trump and anti-crime agenda, DM me. Boy, things at DOJ are pretty far gone-gino. Thank you. These used to be jobs that lawyers would line up for, but fewer and fewer people want to be associated with this administration. And that is true in the media as well. Many who welcomed Trump on their shows barely a year ago for friendly hearings are turning on him, like Andrew Schultz. ICE murdered an American citizen in cold blood, and then the Trump administration called him a domestic terrorist. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Like, plain and simple. Yeah. I see the administration trying to spin it, and it's fucking disgusting. And you can tell he's sincere because he's dressed like a slam poet who's about to tell us what rhymes with regarded. Rogan, Tim Dillon, Theo von Schultz, all of them are turning on Trump. You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be U.S. citizens that just don't have their papers on them. Are we really going to be the Gestapo? Where's your papers? Is that what we've come to? So when you do these random raids, you're going to provoke a lot of anger because this is barbarism. Trump has an authoritarian energy. When I saw these last few weeks in Minnesota, I didn't think it was possible to happen in the United States of America. They're trying to find ways around the system. And what that says to me, when you're willing to shred the Constitution to preserve your, it's not only your power, but your ideas of what should happen, it is incredibly un-American. It's very simple. Either we defeat the MAGA movement once and for all, or every podcast will ultimately become Pod Save America. Your move, nation. The Pod Save Americas will continue until morale improves. now it's true in the broader culture as well right-wingers can try to counter-program bad bunny and green day at the super bowl but all they have is this a turning point usa halftime show featuring kid rack and three people you have never heard of no offense to brantley gilbert who i am sure is one of the finest brantleys working today and gilbert's i assume how old is kid rock gonna to be, by the way, before he drops the kid. The only thing he looks like he's rocking these days is a stubborn case of plantar fasciitis. And speaking of arch support, Trump is not only trying to build a big, dumb monument to himself on a patch of grass in Virginia. Yeah, that's right. Speaking of arch support, come on. I'm just saying, we're going to probably edit this out because why am I like patting myself on the back for a transition, bringing the show to a stop to be like, I went from plantar fasciitis to this with speaking of, I mean, that's, that's beautiful. You should be, you should be grateful to me. Don't do that. Don't encourage me. And while he's going to build this arch, he's also trying to transform the Kennedy Center in his own image. But there's one problem, getting actual artists to go along with it. Major performers canceled, including Philip Glass and Issa Rae. Plus, sales were anemic for all the replacement shows, which included Angels in America, Oops All Roy Cones, Melania Live, Sunday in the Park with George Wallace, Ice on Ice, and the actual Book of Mormon, and Cats. Philip Glass, for his part, said he pulled his symphony because the Trump administration is in direct conflict with the values of his work After all, Trump is bringing the country straight down while Glass believes in just kind of going up a little and down a little and up a little and down a little So Trump announced on Sunday he would shut down the Kennedy Center for two years for renovations I'm sure, though, Trump has something tasteful in mind I'm not ripping it down. I'll be using the steel. So we're using the structure. We're using some of the marble, and some of the marble comes down. RIP the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. Fitting that you will be blown apart as the nation looks on in horror. And the Epstein files are a part of this story. Trump's great trick is advocating for the most powerful and entrenched interests on Earth while acting as if he's some counterculture rebel. That's why he points RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard, a fuck you to the medical establishment, a fuck you to the intelligence establishment. That's why he brings in Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, a sign to the conspiracy theorist that he's on their side, ready to hold the reptilians and aliens to account. Here's J.D. Vance two weeks before the election. Release the list. seriously we need to release the epstein list that that is an important thing but once trump came back to power we went from pam bondy saying the epstein client list was sitting on her desk to cash patel saying the epstein client list didn't exist who if anyone did epstein traffic these young women to besides himself himself there is no credible information None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited. And now we know that that is just not true. Here is one sickening example of an email sent to Jeffrey Epstein by a person whose identity the Department of Justice is still protecting. It says, quote, thank you for a fun night. Your littlest girl was a little naughty. Better get this one to the crime lab, Cash. might be worth sending this one to the boys at Quantico. Perhaps there's a serial killer, a diabolical genius locked in a dungeon somewhere, and you can crack the case with the help of a sharp but untested rookie, beautiful perhaps, in a plain way, to see if she might coax the Mad Men's help in unlocking this mystery, or you could just remove the fucking black bars from in front of the fucking name. Of course, we know why this shift happened once Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey forced the release of the Epstein files. Trump is mentioned tens of thousands of times across 3,500 files, which is why Trump is so annoyed when the topic comes up, like when Trump yelled at CNN's Caitlin Collins for asking about Epstein's victims. What would you say to the survivors? You are the worst reporter. CNN has no ratings because of people like you. You know, she's a young woman. I don't think I've ever seen you smile. I've known you for 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen a smile on your face. You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth. It's weird that Trump even knows that women can smile. When would he have ever even come across it? Here's J.D. Vance laughing about that exchange later with Megyn Kelly. There was a moment in the Oval Office, I wasn't even in there, but I was in the West Wing and somebody sent me where he was talking to Caitlin Collins. she's asking a question and the president says, why don't you ever smile? Yeah. And it's actually like so perceptive. Every once in a while you have to smile. Roger Ailes used to tell us that. Every once in a while you get, remember, smile, show the viewers they have a heart. Have some fun. I'm sorry. Not all of our jobs can be as fun as fondly reminiscing about serial sexual abuser Roger Ailes. It's also like J.D. Vance is acting like Trump invented telling women to smile more which is ridiculous. Roger Ailes invented that. U.S. Deputy Attorney General and Trump's former personal lawyer, Tom Blanche, was asked about other alleged participants in Epstein's crimes on Fox News. Is there any chance that any of these individuals who partied with Epstein and engaged in, you know, relations with minors will be prosecuted? Any chance? I'll never say no. And we will always investigate any evidence of misconduct. But as you know, it is not a crime to party with Mr. Epstein. And here's hoping a lot of these guys get to party with Epstein again real soon. Yeah. Trump, for his part, is pretending to be bored with the whole thing. I think it's really time for the country to get onto something else. Now that nothing came out about me, other than it was a conspiracy against me, literally, by Epstein and other people. Added Trump, we should put this thing to rest and I'll just agree I got away with it. Conspiracy by Epstein. Walk me through the logic of how that works. He was in on it. Pretty, I mean, a masterful plan. We don't suspect Epstein of having put all this to work, then died. It's a strange conspiracy by Epstein. Of course, many of the people we've learned were connected with Epstein were not involved in Epstein's abuse of minors. But it does raise the question, why were so many wealthy and powerful and successful people drawn into Epstein's orbit? This is a disgraced financier, a registered sex offender. How does he become this connector and convener and dispenser of favors? At the core of it, beneath the sophisticated dinners with fascinating guests beneath the mansions and jets, an aesthetic of respectability beneath the money and all the ways it can insulate you from consequences. At the core of all of it was the abuse and exploitation of children. That was the source of all the power he accumulated. And that is evil. But so is a culture in which someone could get away with it for so long. And so many powerful people, even those who are not necessarily part of any crime, never questioned their association with a monster, their moral responsibility, why would it even come up? Trump was never a threat to this revolting, godless, sybaritic elite. He is the living embodiment of it. A Trump presidency and all its cruelty and its carelessness and its depravity can only exist in a world where Jeffrey Epstein is possible. There are over 38,000 references to Trump in the Epstein files. Now, some of those mentions may be duplicates and fakes, but still, it's a lot of mentions, especially when you consider that the target number of times to be mentioned in the Epstein files is zero. Compare that to me, the innocent John Lovett, only mentioned once in a news roundup about an article I wrote for The Atlantic about the Republican Party. And I just want to say, hey, whichever love it or leave it writer went to the Epstein files and searched my name. Okay, fine. Good. And we've got a great show for you tonight. When we come back, the icon, the legend from the traders, it's Lisa Rinna. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It is brought to you by SimpliSafe. Let's talk about something we all want. Peace of mind. For most, that starts with knowing your home and your loved ones are safe. That's why you can trust SimpliSafe, the security system millions of Americans rely on to protect what matters most. 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I put my soap hat on and I enjoyed every second of that murder. I really enjoyed killing people. I loved, I had no problem murdering them at all. I loved it. Now, there's a unspoken then spoken rule about housewives not voting for housewives. Clearly I broke that rule. For sure. I broke it big time. For sure. Yeah. But it does seem like... I don't like that rule, by the way. Right, because it sort of seems like then everybody would gang up on the housewives. Well, they do gang up on the housewives. I mean, that's part of the problem. When you put us all in a group, they're like, we got to get the housewives. I don't like that. I didn't like that. So I was very briefly on the show Survivor. So technically... Is that true or is he lying? No, I was. Really? Yeah. Blink and you'll miss it. You really were on? I really was. And you got kicked off like right away? Absolutely. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. You feel like such a loser, right? Well, I... I mean, you know, don't you? A little bit? No. No. Look. Those survivor people are brutal. I know. They're so tough. But would I be considered one? If I was on Traders With You and you found out that I was a gamer from Survivor, but that I went home first. I've got to be seen as harmless, right? I've got to be someone you drag along, just meet for the grinder later on. Correct. Cool. Yeah. I would not blink twice at you. So I actually commiserated about going home first with Dorinda on, and we talked about her first experience and how disappointing it was. and Dorinda having a better experience this season. Yes. But there's this tension between Dorinda and Ron Funches. Yes. Dorinda, we had a great conversation. Yes. Like Dorinda, Ron's been a great guest on this show. What's going on? Well, listen, I was there, so I saw it all, and I heard it all. And, you know, you don't see it. They cut most of it. But, listen, I think that you have chemistry with people, and some people you mix with and some people you don't. That was just like a barrel full of misunderstandings. And whatever that was, it happened. And I couldn't explain it to you other than they both had a problem with each other. They did. Yeah. But I think it's like chemistry. You like some people and other people that you don't like. Yeah. I find that I like so few people and so few people like me, which I think… Same. I feel the same way. But then if I do like someone, boy, is it great. I know. I feel the same way. And how do we think this is going so far? Good. I think it's good. I liked everybody in that castle. I got along with everybody. I really didn't. And I don't like people. And I don't like most of those kinds of people, but I like them all. It's true. And what kinds of people are you talking about? Well, like, like people from, just people. Like I, just people. Like I like dogs better than I like people, you know? So there was this great dynamic between you and Colton on the show. Oh, yeah. Great. Super. Well. Yeah, it was really lovely. I thought you're good now. He has crazy eyes. What happened to you two being, I thought. We're fine. We're fine. You're on your side. We're fine. But I'm realizing I have moments of like reliving. And I see him on screen and I go, shit, he has crazy eyes. and I didn't even realize it in the moment. He's got crazy eyes. He came to play. He came to play hard, and he did get you. He did get me. He got you. I know. He did. He got me. Well, not really. Rob got me more than Colton. We can't give Colton that much credit. I think you can. Rob got me. He did. Hey, the war's over. This was shot a while ago. Clearly it's not. Clearly it's not. and then yes back to Colton and so but then and I really like Colton and I appreciate do you know him? yes you do? yes we're friends really? and I appreciate that he's someone deep you know what that is honestly they find it shocking I have handsome friends shame on you he is handsome and I appreciate that he's someone that went through a really rough period especially before he came out and then he comes out he builds this great life. And then when you were upset about being got got, that you posted that he was a stalker and it caused this whole big kerfuffle. No, excuse me. Let's go back. Go back. Excuse me. Correct me. I want to be corrected. Excuse me. What happened was people started to talk about that incident in his life. So I didn't bring it up. All of a sudden they were talking about him being a stalker. And I did not know that. And the TikTokers were going TikTok wild about it. That's how it began. And then somebody from The Bachelor, I don't know her name exactly, but she started to talk about it. So it was long going before I entered the chat. Now, let me take it back. Colton... Colton wanted to see me as a housewife, right? He really was begging for it. Well, he had seen a difference, but he thought that this was a sign that maybe you were a traitor, which wasn't wrong. He did have a point. Maybe, maybe not. There was a cat. He was barking up the tree, and there was a cat in the tree. Okay, there was a cat in the tree. There was, but I don't know about that. So I let him have it, as you saw. I was like, do not, you know, label me and yada, yada. And so, you know, there's a little part of being a housewife where you're kind of trained to do it whenever you want. So not just on the show, but you can pull up that housewife at any moment, right? So I saw this post that had me asking, were people doing coke in your bathroom? Thank you. It was one of my finer moments on the show. And the girl that was posting it said, I don't know if Colton knows who he's sliding up to. Something to that effect. Good luck. That's when I left the comment, let's talk about you being a stalker. And that is, so it's sort of like a Hulk situation where there's a thing that can happen to a housewife where it activates. Exactly. Exactly. And it doesn't take much. So Colton, Colton activated me while I was sitting in my kitchen. And we had stopped filming seven months ago. True. And all I had to do, and I knew it, you know, like, I could have stopped myself, right? I don't know that. I could have. You know that. I don't know. It's a fine line. You're saying it. You could have stopped yourself. I could have stopped myself, but I have this little thing inside of me that knows if I cross that line, it's going to just really bring havoc. And yet part of me goes, okay, I'm not going to do that because my God, I don't want to bring havoc to anybody. And then I sit back for a second and I go, yeah, but what if? Like, what if? What a way to live. Yeah. It's so interesting. Well, because the other side of it, what's interesting, it's so interesting because it does seem to be something where I fear and admire it, I think, which is. That's a good way to look at it. You should fear and admire it. Well, part of it is also, it's almost like a different, it's a culture in which also you can then say, we're good and you can kind of move forward. There's a way of moving forward. Well, yes, you can if the person will also move forward with you. You know what I'm saying? And have you and Colton move forward? Yes. Because I do think, like, people shouldn't be defined by their worst moments. I absolutely agree. Especially if they were going through something. That's why I came out and did a video saying, listen, I'm fine with Colton. He was a great nemesis for me. I like him. Yada, yada. But he did want a housewife. So, you know, he got one. But we're fine. I'm fine with everybody. And? Even Robbie Bobby, who threw me under the bus. oh listen to that i love that i just love that validation thank you so uh i think we have to talk about the handsomeness of robbie bobby the world is talking about it it's sort of a frustrating kind of handsomeness i find because he also seems to be kind of smart and charming right that's a that's a that's sort of frustrating it's a big combo yeah yes but i am married to that I am married to that Harry Hamlin is that combination of sexiest man alive and really smart so I was used to it right it was sort of a little bit of because for other people I think it could be kind of almost like they get the googly eyes they're all googly eyes and they're all intimidated by it and they'll all like literally drop on the floor for him they will do anything except for me I was able to like just sit and talk to him as you saw me play chess with him I was able to look him right in the eye I don't think anybody else could have done that. They would have been like, oh, my God. So you brought up your marriage to Harry Hamlin. And it seems like in the world of Housewives, having a good marriage is like a superpower. Well, it's practically impossible. I mean, nobody has it. Right. Well, that's it. So first of all, some of it's self-selecting because it does seem that people sometimes go on the show. they're almost like i'm gonna blow up the whole thing anyway let's let's get on television let's do it on tv this thing is this thing this thing there there's a flat line here that's very kelsey and camille grammar right there i mean right but but has been but then then it does also how many times are we gonna get like clocked you know i always say that when i'm at a podcast or a I think clocked, meaning that's going to like live out in the zeitgeist after you've said it. Oh, you think? Oh, I wonder. Well, I guess we'll have to clip it and put it out into the world. Probably a lot. We have a little bit of say in what gets clocked, I suppose. Oh. Maybe. Yes, we do. I wonder if this will come up in the reunion. You haven't had the reunion yet. Next Thursday, one week from tonight. Ooh. But is it hard to be married on the show for people whose marriages maybe aren't as strong as yours that could have made it were they not on television what do you think yes i think being on television like that is very intense and if you don't have like your stuff together it can easily go south very quickly wow and but you guys have been good we're good wow so far so good we're still married i think we've been together 33 years that's pretty crazy there's a and and you have a book out. I do. Which is called, you better... Well, almost out. It's about to be out. February 24th. February 24th. You better believe I'm going to talk about it. Can you give us one... They know what that's from. Do you know what that's from? Of course I do. So I'm a huge... So I've been... I heard you're a huge housewife. I'm on a journey. I'm on a journey. And in watching Traders and then knowing you were coming, I've been watching your seasons. Oh, God. But I'm not yet up to Amsterdam, if that gives you a sense of it. That's my first season. I know. Oh, so you're not even to me yet. No, I've been watching your season. So here's what happened. Oh, I see. You're just not to the I'm not up to Amsterdam now, but I'm getting there. I was going to try to make it for tonight just to understand Amsterdam. Oh. Do you think you need to? I don't know if you'll ever understand it. Can Lisa Renner be understood without understanding Amsterdam? No. Wow. No, see, They know me. Do they follow? They know you. They know me. They know me. I can tell. Do they actually know you? I don't even know if I know me. I'm not even sure. You know what I mean? I don't know. What's a story from the book that people would be surprised by? Oh, there's a lot. I talk about my experience on Days of Our Lives. Everyone's so young here. Did anybody watch Days of Our Lives? Did you watch it with your nana growing up? Okay, there we go. I tell some stories about my experience there because it was my first big acting job that I think people will be really surprised by. I know everybody wants to know the housewife stuff and all that, but you'll find that. That's easy. But I talk a lot about experiences on shows that I've never talked about. So that's something. They're exciting. There's a lot of good tea in there. Okay. Oh, yeah. I'm going to have a lot of people mad at me. I love that. I love that for us. Yeah. You're also one of the few housewives who has been outspoken politically. Yes. Do you get frustrated seeing people stay silent? Yes. Do you think more people should speak out? Yes. I've been speaking out, you know, for a long time now. And yes, it bites me a lot. I don't care. I just, I just, I think it needs to be done. I'm one of the only ones in that universe, in the housewife universe that ever spoke out. Right? It's true. What do you, but like, but you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're doing great. You know, you're, you, no lightning came down. No. Like what, what do you think it is? What is the fear? Is it a fear that they're going to do it wrong? That there's, they can't, once they've done it, they can't undo it. They don't trust. What, what is, what do you think it is? I think it's all of the above. I think it's just too scary for their, they don't want to mess with their brand deals. I think it's that simple. They don't want to look, they want to look like Switzerland so that their money can keep coming in. I think that's it. I really do. Otherwise, why wouldn't you, why wouldn't more people speak out? It doesn't make any sense to me. I have no problem with it, as you know. I say whatever comes out of this mouth. I just, I just do. That's exciting. I think so. So this week E! announced that they're doing E!'s Golden Life with Luann, Sonia Morgan, Ramona Singer, Jill Zarin, Kelly Ben-Simon. How did I miss this? They're going to call it the Golden Life like the Golden Girls? Yeah, I think that, I guess that's right. I think that's probably where the idea comes from. Well, I'm glad those ladies are working. I think that's always good. No, I do. I think it's good that, you know, they're good TV. It's a good group. But how do you think they, do you think, how did they escape from the Bravo? I don't know. Well, isn't E and Bravo and everybody under that Comcast umbrella? I feel like they, not anymore. Not anymore. So how did this happen? I don't know. I simply don't know. You literally have to sell your soul to Bravo. How'd they get it back? I don't know. Maybe they kissed Prince Eric by the third night. Yeah. Wow. I'm surprised by this, actually. Wow. Would you ever, like, don't you think this show should be, this feels like, I mean, why wouldn't Bravo want to do this show? See, I'd be excited about this. Wouldn't you be excited to watch this? I'm surprised that they wouldn't want to do it because, I mean, those are a lot of the OGs. I don't know. I can't figure that out. You know, who knows what that's all about. Would you ever go back to? No. Why not? Because it was a fucking toxic nightmare. But see, that's what's so interesting. Because there's so many people that are like, God, it's a toxic nightmare and I can't wait to go back. I know, but no. What do you think that is? That they want to go back? And they know it was toxic. It wasn't less toxic. Fame, baby. Fame is the most addicting thing on the planet besides heroin. But what's interesting is I was watching you on the show and you were pretty honest about how you like being famous. I love being famous. Oh, I do. No joke about it. But I'm not going to sacrifice that much because I'm already famous. I don't need to go and, you know what I mean? I don't need to be any more famous. I mean, how famous can you be, you know? I don't know. I'm still trying to figure that out. It's nice. Right? I'll tell you something. I'll tell you something. Is there a level above podcast? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Can you get any table you want in a restaurant? If you call with enough months in advance. Okay. You just got to know when they come up on open table. Yeah, right. Exactly. So, yeah, you could work a little harder. Yeah. I think sometimes you get a table through Amex, but I don't know how that works. So I did want to ask something because this is something, which is maybe it's a more serious topic, but that your father had decided to die by assisted suicide in 2016 at the age of 94 in Oregon, and that that process had some impact on you as you think about being a parent, being a daughter. I'm just curious what that was like. Well, you know, it's really a very hard time when you start to see your parents age out in that way. And my dad was really, you know, he wasn't terminally ill, but he couldn't see, couldn't hear, and he was sick, but not terminally, terminally sick. So you need two doctor recommendations, which he got. And you know when a loved one wants to do something their way you go along with it And that what we did And was it brutally hard Yes Was it also beautiful because he could control it and he could do it his way You know he used to love Frank Sinatra, so we were playing Frank Sinatra as it was happening. And I mean, it's a surreal experience that I would never have thought we would have gone through or I would have gone through. But when your father or your mother or anybody wants that, it's a beautiful thing because they get to control their destiny in that way. And that's the one thing I was able to see, that he got to die peacefully with us surrounding him. And was it hard? Yeah. Was it surreal? Yeah. I mean, I saw both of my parents die. And I also feel really grateful that I got to see both of my parents die and I got to be there with them, both of them. And that is, I mean, how many people can say that? You know, that I got to be there when they passed. It's pretty, it's pretty big. And do you think you'd do the all-star traders? I just I literally saw that I was like are you fucking kidding me already I haven't even gotten over that experience oh man yeah I don't know well Lisa Rinna it's been so fun talking to you I would keep talking to you, but we've got more things to do. Lisa Runa is going to stick around. Lisa, thank you so much. That was so wonderful to talk to you. Thank you, guys. When we come back, Rachel Bloom is here. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It is brought to you by Helix. Boy, it's cold in LA. It was almost 52 degrees. 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I thought we'd never talk about that night. I was watching you when I walked in and you were in the leather jacket. I'm like, oh, we're going to look like the hottest girlfriends. Yeah, really. And like one of us is the controlling one who's like, no, you're wearing leather. It's you. It's me. For sure. Like we're in, it's a behind the candelabra situation. Remember that movie? Yes, I love that movie. And Liberace was like, get plastic surgery to look exactly like me. I loved it. That's totally what our dynamic would be. Yeah. And I would do it. And I would be like, go now. And I'd be like, it's 3 a.m., but okay. Yeah. Hi. We're in the month of love. We're in the month of love. Rachel, this is real. my mother said this to me and I quote I saw that you have Rachel Bloom on the show this week please tell her I say hello wow and I really the harshness of that tone is just pitch perfect for Jewish mom now tell her I say hi I will do you remember the last we met one time one time it was lovely we had a great conversation okay this is not a why are you saying it in such a serious tone now the last time do you remember you're on this show, my nephew did have to leave the theater because you and Robbie Hoffman were talking about pegging. Sure were. Sure were. And Lisa, have you ever harried his Hamlin? No. Sorry if that's too intimate. No. We have not. I was saying I have also not... I'll just use the Harry my Hamlin because if I say my, your husband's more famous than mine, so, like, I haven't Dan'd his Gregor, that means, oh, okay, yeah, that kind of makes, Now, Rachel, as you mentioned, it is the month of love, as we're always calling it. You created the show Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Thank you. Great show. I'd say currently watch it on streaming, but it's streaming nowhere, but you can buy it on Amazon and iTunes. Will it be yours forever? I don't know. Do I want it to be streaming? Yes. Does anyone at the company of CBSP get back to me? No. Oh. They're trying. I just want to get ahead of that. I believe you can get 1600 Penn by printing DVDs. So the world is made up of great- Did that last a season? A whole, well, I mean, not in the 22 episode era, but today was a long season of 13 episodes. My God. It was 13 episodes. That's how many episodes of Fleabag there are total. That's right. Actually, yeah, that's a good point. So you could really tell people that you had the show that inspired Fleabag. Yeah, like we were trying to do something that like had that Fleabag feeling. And the world just wasn't ready. I mean, in a sense, 1600 Penn was a cult classic for years before Fleabag even existed. This is a really relatable conversation. now as we discussed earlier with Lisa and Rachel I know this is true you two that you both have great marriages in a town where they're let's say rarer than one would hope but it's time for a segment we're calling 36 questions to fall in love it because it is the month of love and so I have before me the 36 questions that lead to love created by psychologist Arthur Aaron popularized by the New York times. Designed to speedrun intimacy, the goal to make you fall in love with me or worst case each other. First up. It's already happening, man. Yeah. First up, this is for both of you. If you could wake up tomorrow having gained any one quality or ability, what would it be? The ability to not let strangers hurt me. Ooh. That's deep. That's so interesting because I find that you're talking about words. Yeah, I guess. You know what it is? It's the ability for infinite self-compassion. That's really what it is. I see why you would say the same thing because for me, the only words from strangers that hurts are the ones I believe. People say all kinds of crazy things about me every day. Lisa is all positive on the internet. Oh yeah, right. Oh yeah, exactly. Oh, sure. It's just her and Malala out there. Yeah. So lucky. That's interesting. There are times that if you look at Malala's Instagram where she gets hate for things, and I'm like, what are you doing? You're trolling Malala? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I think the other side of that, too, is that... Go to a Baskin Robbins. Get ice cream. For sure. You need ice cream. Or go masturbate something. Go masturbate. Right? Exactly. Honestly, those are two great things that go great together. Yeah. That's a good night. That's a good night we're talking about. Lisa, is there any quality or ability you wish you had that you'd like to add to your repertoire? I like to be invisible. Okay. I'd like to be able to, you know, like walk through walls and be invisible when I'd like to be and just disappear when I want. I didn't know magic powers were a thing in this. I just added it in. So that's really smart. Yeah. I just added it. I would also probably choose a magic power if that were actually an option. Okay. Noted. Rachel, when is the last time you sang to yourself or to someone else? I mean, I sing to myself pathologically all the time. Same. Yeah, it's like... I sing all day long. It's little... Is it songs that you know or is it songs that you make up in your head? It depends. Like when the kids were little, I would sing nursery rhymes all day long. the wheels on the bus go round and round and all of those. I don't do that anymore. But when I do, then you should be worried now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like if I'm in the shower singing, you know, the alphabet or farm songs, you should be a little concerned. Do you know they changed the alphabet to get rid of LMNOP? So now they sing it in a different cadence. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? That is against the law. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P. Sorry, no. No. No. What is that like a Trump thing? No it's not a Trump thing It's the one thing that isn't Honestly it might be the kind of thing That led to Trump That is wrong Well the kids because when I was a kid I thought LMNOP But it's baffling What that people think LMNOP is one letter It's confusing you can't keep track of what the letters are Inside of LMNOP Yes you can It's really easy. L-M-N-O-P. Now, Rachel, I know you can't... We're just going to move on from that? I don't know how to resolve it. You just dropped a... I'm the messenger. We killed Bin Laden-esque bomb? And we're just supposed to skate on by? They spread out the letters a little bit more evenly to make it easier for the kids to remember the letters. Bill! No. Honestly, listen to yourselves. A tiny bit of change and you're like, make the alphabet great again. I don't care that it's helpful. I don't care that it's a little bit better for the kids. I like how I like it. Think about it. Think about how you're behaving. Sorry, H-I-J-K-L-M-N-O-P-Q-R-S. What is it? But where you started, you'd already fucked it up. So it's just the whole thing had to be adjusted. Everything moves around. H-I-J-K-L-M-N-O-P-Q-R-S-T-U-V-W-X-Y-Z. Exactly. It's really no fun anymore. They took all the fun out of it. They took all the fun out of the alphabet song. Fucking Malala. Now, but there are plenty of things we're putting the fun back into. Like the Devil Wears Prada 2 that you're in. I am. Yay! Oh, so is my daughter. My youngest daughter is also in it. Yeah. I mean, I don't think she speaks, but she's in it. Cool. She's in it. Yeah. Wait, we got a sidebar after this about it. I don't think we were in, but I want to hear her story. Yeah. I think she was at the Met Gala thing. that was where she was. Uh-huh. Yeah, okay. Anyway, go on. They asked me when I was talking to your producers, they're like, what can you talk about with Devil Wears Prada too? And I was like, I think I signed an NDA with Mickey Mouse himself. Yeah. And if I say anything, he'll be like, oh, bitch, you're fucked. So can we just assume that Andy's boyfriend finally gets what's coming to him? The villain of Devil Wears Prada? He does fall into a volcano and his entrails spill out from his. No, I also, that's that boyfriend never bothered me um i don't know like i she yeah i don't know she was miserable at the job he was calling it out i don't i i don't know i'm i think it's just a very good i think i can't separate the like reprimand of the boyfriend from like well is this a is this a writing no because i think it's a really well written movie and also one of my best friends wrote the movie and wrote the new movie and so i'm protective of her vision in general maybe i I think the movie is great. I just think... That's right. I know a writer. So, play your cards. I like the movie. I just think the devil in the film is the hero. Anne Hathaway shouldn't throw her phone in the fountain. She should finish the week and then give notice to be respectful for the opportunity. And Adrienne Grenier should appreciate that it's cool to be ambitious in your 20s. yes but structurally it's faust right and so right right if you're doing faust you don't say hey devil i'm gonna stick around in hell i've never read faust or seen faust by the way i'm saying faust i actually don't know much about faust what we've seen we've no damn yankees oh so then i know faust so and and about a dozen episodes of the twilight zone yeah exactly so you don't say to Applegate and damn Yankees like hey I'll just play this one world series and then you know I'm gonna peace out and be with my old wife no you have to leave then because your contract with the devil ends at that midnight and you want to go back to be with your old wife is that if anyone remember what damn Yankees is about because that's what it's about no okay I don't I liked it though because Bob Fosse I love the dancing but I don't remember it devil's bargain. Lisa. Yes. I am the devil's bargain pretty much, right? I know. Is there something that you've dreamed of doing for a long time? And if so, why haven't you done it? Ooh. Well, um, huh. You're stumping me. What have I dreamt of and why haven't I done it? Okay. You know what I'd like to do? Here's what I would like to do. I want to be like a lounge singer in a bar. I'm not kidding. Or sing at weddings. I'm just going to throw this out there. I am getting married. On Memorial Day weekend of this year. Are you kidding? That would be fucking iconic. That would be great. You just said, is there something that you'd like to do that you haven't done and why haven't you? Well, I don't know. Yeah, I'm going to sing in a bar or at your wedding. Wow. Oh, this is exciting. What do you think your staple song would be? I would like to do like what Isaac Mizrahi does at the bar at the Carlisle. That would be really fun. And just like get up there and sing like my funny Valentine and like, you know, bar songs. Whatever Lola wants. Like I would be good, don't you think? That's a good callback. There we go. callback. Good tie-in. See, I knew that. Wouldn't that be kind of fun? Yeah. I also think you could get that show up at the Carlisle like tomorrow. Today, like right now. I think I just put it out there in the universe. So now probably I'm going to have to do it. You're going to get a call from them tomorrow. Hello. This is exciting. This is a good episode. Good. Rachel, what, if anything, is too serious to be joked about oh god i don't fucking know hey i follow up you have a new i mean i i actually oh hey i i don't know if anything is too serious to be joked about to be honest because i i think when you put things on a pedestal of you can't talk about that and you start to police that. And then I just, I think humor is the great equalizer. And it's also a way of, I think, relieving a lot of tension. And so I think that when you say you can't talk about something or joke about something, you only add to the tension and stigma of it. And no, I will not give examples. I totally agree. I actually think there, I think there's no topic that you can't joke about. We actually, this ends up being a debate and we make this show because my view of it is no topic is too serious but if you are going to joke about a serious topic you have to be careful about the ethic of the joke and that if you are making a joke about something serious that the punchline is not about someone or something that is doesn't make light of suffering in some way and you can defend it on the merits of what it means and that is where we can sometimes they're like yeah yeah we get it John the joke is ethical everyone's going to boo you and you'll be an asshole and I'm like you've made an important point Yeah. I, to me, I see it more as, and this is just maybe coming from more of a writing comedy perspective. I like I just think jokes that feel like ooh that punching down or that a really offensive joke They they just lazy I think I I associate them like years ago when we first started talking about rape jokes Um my oh everyone got so quiet. Um, my experience with a lot of rape jokes was just like, they were hack, they were hacky jokes that comics would make where they just weren't good comics. Like I remember I got introduced at some open mic, this is probably 16 years ago where someone was like, Rachel Bloom's coming. She better watch her drink. I wasn't like affronted. I was like, that's just a lame, stupid joke. That's just a lame roofie joke. And so I think that I, I think if you look a lot of, a lot of like offensive comedy, it's like, oh, it's also just like easy and lazy. Yeah. It gets a, it's a shock value. If the joke is because it's a shocking thing to say. Yeah. And it's shock that it's territory other people have tread before. And so you're just being lazy. Yeah. And no, I will not give more examples. Lisa. Yes. What does friendship mean to you? What does friendship mean? It means that you have someone that has your back and you have somebody's back. Yeah. I think that's nice. I think that's right. I just, I always think that it's like almost as simple as a friend of someone you root for, right? Oh, I like that. And I say that because I think obviously there are a lot of people you root for that are not your friends, but I actually think sometimes that's a helpful way to think about it because I think sometimes people have people in their lives that are around them all the time that feel like or look like friendships, but are you rooting for each other? Because sometimes you're not. Sometimes you're not. Yeah. That's actually a beautiful way. I was talking about wanting self-compassion. I have this thing called the self-compassion workbook, which I highly recommend. Oh, I want to get that. That sounds great. Awesome. And it's been, it's literally that it's wonderful. And it's just a literal workbook where you, you work through kind of once a week, this is your exercise for it. And one of the exercises is like, think about a person for whom you have completely uncomplicated feelings of like, I just want the best for them. And, and you say to yourself, I think it's like, I wish the best for, in my head, it was honestly, my friend, Betsy, Betsy Sedaro. I was like, oh, I just love her and I want the best for her. And then it's like, all right, now instead of Betsy, do it for yourself. How, how, and I was like, oh, and it was such a revelation of like the uncomplicated, like love I have for like Betsy. Like what if, that's how I felt about. That is a great message. That's beautiful. I really like that. I really like that. And this is for both of you. This will be our last question. And it is from the questions to fall in love. do you have a secret hunch about how you will die? I do not. I was just thinking about this today. Because I just flew in from New York today and every time I get on a plane, I'm like, oh, what if this is the time? And I was in New York to be on the show Beat Bobby Flay, which was so fun but i was also like oh my god like i think about my daughter the story that my daughter is going to tell herself is yeah she took me to school and then she went to be on bobby flay and i never saw her again that would be sad actually so just sad like she couldn't ever watch a cooking show she she maybe couldn't even go to restaurants and engage in like high quality food i think that's wishful thinking. Wow. I mean, I get the not watching the cookie shows, but I think she'd be eventually able to go to restaurants. Yeah, I guess so. But every... I'm not saying you wouldn't be traumatized and horrible, but she could go to a restaurant. But you do that, like, I don't know if this, I mean, when you become a parent, you know, your heart is filled with constant fear. Yeah. And I, every time I'm away, about to go on a plane, every FaceTime or phone call I have, I picture that I'm in the part of the movie that's her flashback. So, like, That's the last time I saw my mom. You are dark. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. We have to help with that. But I have the same, so I have the same broken part of my brain. Yeah. Because for me, like once I was in a happy relationship, all my fears went into, like if the phone, I've said a version of this in the past, it's true. When the phone, if our call ends, there has been a building collapse. I'm like, that was it. That was why I went up. Like if the call gets dropped. Yeah, call gets dropped, something horrible. has happened. And I know that that's not true, but that's like the feeling right away. And they have to get back in touch to make sure there hasn't been some sort of gas explosion or something of that sort. That's heavy. It's a Jewish thing, I think. I was going to say, this is some fucking epigenetic shit. Yeah, I think so. But this is also why your ancestors like survived a pogrom probably because they were like, maybe we maybe we hide out in the latrine or whatever. You know, That's why I have meerkat energy, I think. And that was how we all fell in love. Everybody, Traders on Peacock and Lisa's Benmore. You better believe I'm going to talk about it. You can pre-order it now. It'll be in stores on February 24th. And... Do you want me to plug myself? Yeah. Ha ha. Call back, right? come on excellent excellent i have occasionally plugged myself oh that's cool that's cool wow i finally caught up to that i just like got that and the devil wears prada too is out on may 1st and rachel's new show do you want kids which you you're you uh are producing with your husband. I just wrapped a pilot for ABC that I'm starring in that I co-wrote with my husband. So this is a pre-plug that if it gets ordered to series, it'll be on in the fall. And maybe you'll write a part for me. Never know, right? Yeah. I can say I was sitting right here when you said I hope it gets picked up and if it does, I go, hi, here I am. I love this for the show. A lot of good stuff coming out of this episode. Yeah. All right, we are back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It is brought to you by Bombas. It's February. If you've been able to stick with your resolutions, congrats. If not, here's one goal you definitely need to achieve. To get comfy, that's where Bombas comes in. They're bringing comfort to all of your everyday go-tos. The all-new Bombas sports socks are engineered with sports-specific comfort for running, golf, hiking, skiing, snowboarding, and all sport. They're cushioned where you need it most, sweat wicking, and loaded with other tech features. 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And this is the first time anyone has gotten the code, as I say it. So you're the first to be able to use it, which is what a week. One word, all caps, to get the best seats in the house at crooked.com slash events. Okay. Lisa, Rachel, we know I am a perfect man. But am I a perfect host? It's time to find out in our favorite new end of show segment, Second Thoughts. Here's how it works. I'm going to just say some things that I think maybe I screwed up, and I'll just see how you feel about it. Okay. First of all, I think I took a little too much time kind of patting myself on the back about the joke transition from plantar fasciitis to arch support. We probably also could have used one more Bongino rhyme. I think we were missing the third beat because I think you guys really liked the second one and you really took to it. And, of course, we should have had a third one just in the hopper. That's stupid. That's our fault. that's our fault a lot going on when you put this show together you don't catch a munch when you know that was a mistake uh uh it's hard it's hard uh it's always darkest before the dongino that that's perhaps oh oh so it's also like wordplay yeah it could have been it only could be wordplay because it turns out nothing rhymes with with bongino when you think about it um hey hey lisa yes um you shared a really uh meaningful and poignant personal story about your family and then I just followed it up by asking if you were going to be on Traders All-Stars. Yeah, that sucked. You were terrible at that. That was really like... Like you take me down the road of like my father, you know, dying. And then you asked me if I'm going to be on Traders All-Stars. Do you think that's good reporting and good hosting? I mean, does that make your guests feel comfortable? So here's what I would say. I say those could be two different things because the joke did work. They laughed. They did laugh. They did laugh. So what's crazy, did you want to know something? What? I've done that before to someone else. Who? Do you remember, anybody remember that exact thing I did? This is Arquette. Oh, it was Patricia Arquette. Oh, I love her. I love Patricia. All right, so I'm in good company. Do you remember when I did that? How did she respond? She was not like that. Honestly, here's the difference. This is the difference, honestly, and I think it's interesting, which is because Patricia was vulnerable and she did that, I felt so bad. And I'm not. No, no, you are, you are, you are. But there's a toughness to you. There's a toughness to you. And so I like, I feel less like, I feel more like you're right. I could have been a better host, but I'm out. Like, it wasn't like, I didn't, I didn't feel like I had to quickly fix it because I'd like hurt you. You feel, you seem- No, I was not hurt. Exactly. And I don't think I hurt Patricia Arquette. I think she could handle little old me, but there's a toughness that comes across with you. It's interesting. Not that you can't be vulnerable and tough, but that was both. I saw both. I see both. But I also don't blame you. I blame society. And I'll tell you why. For what? Everything in society now is, like, when I started, like, coming up in comedy, it was still very Gen X of, like, don't be a sellout. Like, don't sell merch at your shows. Don't, like, don't try to plug yourself. And now we're in a plug culture. So every serious podcast, I mean, this is like a clam at this point, but like every serious podcast is like, and that's when the child died. Do you need a new mattress? You know, and like, and it's, and it's horrifying. And like the way people like go on social media, like, like Instagram is fucking broken because you have the, you know, one grid post about someone's past trauma with like an eating disorder. And then the next grid post is just like, I love these cupcakes. And it's like, oh, it's, it's all, our lives are whiplash right now. The way we consume media is whiplash. So I feel like you whiplashing to another thing from a serious thing, we're not calling out most of social media for doing that. So why should you be held accountable? Well, that's interesting. That felt like I thought it was going to come back around in a better way for me at the end. But I will say the actual thought process was, and this is interesting to me, I think let's get into it, which is I thought you'd already said something so beautiful and poignant and I needed to get out of it. But I didn't think it was necessary to have to push you to give even more. You had already done what needed to be done. So I was putting a button on the whole thing, which I did. Quite well. Perfectly. You did. You did. You did. So I did think about it. I also want to say if someone posted about an eating disorder and then posted about cupcakes, that actually might be two related inspirational posts. So that was a bad, that's me critiquing myself, that that was actually a bad example of like, if you have a fucked up relationship with food, and then you're like, I love cupcakes now. Actually, that's really inspirational. So I just don't want to, I'm just, I'm already seeing the like medium think piece. And so like, not that I'm like even important enough to merit a medium think piece, but like just in case someone was like planning a medium think piece, I want to get ahead of it. And I want people to have the relationship with food that best suits them. And then I think just one final one. Hey, I'm sorry I made everybody sad and mad about the new alphabet and then compared you all to Trump. And then I feel pretty good about putting Lisa on the spot, about singing at the wedding. That was fine. I can't tell if I should ask Lisa to sing a few bars or not. Oh, let me think. What would you like me to sing? Whatever you, what was, you had said you wanted to sing like a piano bar song with Isaac Misrani, what would you sing? Let's think. Come Rain or Come Shine. How does that go? I'm gonna love you like nobody's loved you. Come rain or come shine. Wow. I can't believe you haven't been singing at bars given that there are housewives who couldn't find a note with a magnifying glass, a shovel, and who are singing all across the country. So that's exciting. I'm staying tuned for future attractions. Future cabaret shows. All right. Well, that's how we have to leave it. That's second thoughts. Great. Rachel Bloom, Lisa Rinna. This was so much fun. So fun. Thank you. That is our show. Thank you so much. to our guests. Tune in next week for a Valentine's Day surprise episode. Are you getting double engaged? Are you getting pegged? I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this, Lisa Rinna. 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