‘Hocus Pocus’ Are the Sanderson sisters real?

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No, you have to keep it now. No, it's embarrassing. You know, I said B***** deep in a interview with Victoria Shade. I think Victoria Shade's amazing. And I was embarrassed, but then she loved it. And now we're best friends. Yay! Okay, well, is it not guess everything? Everything worked out in the end. So we are podcasting from home today. And I was so excited that I wrapped myself up in this Halloween blanket, but I think that it's just a little too hot for that. Yeah, so here we are. Clay, how's it go in Bobbiaga? Great. People loved it. Did you, you've heard from the people? I've heard from the people. I know the people. Okay. I know our audience. Long as you've got your ear to the ground, I guess. I've got my ear to the ground. Actually make it confession. Oh yeah. I literally until just now did not even think about having like a opening story to talk about. Well, that's, oh that's okay. Well, it's, so we're doing something special for a Halloween. You know, we like creepy stuff. We talk about obsessions and mostly cryptids. But we're like, you know, it's October. It's Halloween. It's something a little more fun, although this topic is kind of not fun. Yeah. The Halloween is fun. Yeah, I was going to say your topic is from what I know anyway. The reason you're doing it is for a fun reason. It is because the story itself is not super fun. Yeah, the story itself is dark. So everyone knows for 29 years we have waited for Hocus Pocus 2. Clay has never seen Hocus Pocus. I have never seen Beetlejuice. We're going to have to remedy this ASAP because it's not okay. So they do want to own Beetlejuice? You should. Okay. So spoiler alert. We're going to talk about witches, bitches. Although we kind of talked about witches last time. We did, but this is a different kind of witch. And I went back and forth and whether or not I was going to do this topic because we did just do Bob Yaga or you did Bob Yaga. I just kind of like, you were there when I did Bob Yaga. Yeah, I was there when you did Bob Yaga. Did Hocus Pocus 2 is trending? It's Hocus Pocus 2 is trending and it's pretty good. Like I was pleasantly surprised. You already see it? Yeah, bitch, I watched it. So because Clay has never seen it, I'm going to give you a little summary about Hocus Pocus the first one. Okay. 300 years ago, the Sanderson sisters stole the lives of the children of Salem. It is said that there's stone fence which still stands today. It's the bones of over 100 children. The townspeak were getting wise to all the missing children and who better to blame than the witches who lived in the woods. Winifred, the oldest and wisest sister, found a spell that would give them eternal youth. After all, ladies don't care to discuss their age. They made a mistake when they lured Emily Binks to their cottage. The potion was brewed and all that was left was to force it down the child's throat. Even the sisters could steal her life force and become young and beautiful once more. What they didn't count on was Thackerie Binks. Emily's brother was watching the whole thing. He jumped into save Emily but not before the sisters drained her of her youth and thus her life. Still this angered the sisters. How to punish this foolish boy? Death would be too easy. Winifred had something much more sinister and mind. Your punishment, she proclaimed, will not be to die but to live forever with your guilt. Twist the bones and bend the back. Itchita Kapatama la Kapastika trim him of his baby fat. Itchita Kapatama la Kapastika give him fur black, just like that. And so the young man was transformed into a black cat, cursed to live forever. The villager stormed the cottage and found the lifeless Emily but Thackerie was nowhere to be found. The sisters were hanged for their crime that very night but not before cursing the town one last time. On all had a zeve when the moon is round, a virgin will summon us from under the ground. As the lifeless witch is laid from the tree, a lone black cat made a promise to himself. He would guard the witch's hut and make sure nobody would ever summon this evil again. For 300 years he watched and waited. Until some brat from LA moves to Salem and summons the sisters back to life and so begins the beloved Disney movie, Hocus Pocus! Wait, so the whole thing was to turn him into a cat but also make him immortal? Yes, because to live forever is worse than to die. What a shitty curse. So I don't know that it's really spoiler alert because the movie's almost as old as me. But at what point the cat gets run over by a car and he just like re-reflates and comes back to life and he's like, oh man, I hate when that happens. That's not as bad though as if he just couldn't die and then he just had to live with broken bones forever. That's true. We're going to have to talk to Winifred Sanders about that. There's a difference between immortality and indestructibility. Also, the beginning of this plot actually sounds like the plot of Banjo Kazooie. Oh my god, why? Yes! Gruntilda steals Banjo's younger sister and steals her life force to become sexy Gruntilda. I used to get scared like when I would die in Banjo Kazooie and then it would show like her turn into the little Grim one thing and then there's like sexy Gruntilda. And I was like, yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, yes, actual quote from the game. Yeah, we might get copyright for that. Yeah, right. So fun fact, before we get started and all the dark shit, it was the same animatronic cat who played Salem in Sabrina the Teenage Witch was also Thackery Banks. What the hell is he talking about? I was a puppet. And he was well they used both. Okay. They used both. And then some scenes, it's a real cat, you know, movie magic, movie magic. Yeah, movie magic. So it's an amazing movie. One of my favorites and now 29 years later, we finally have a sequel. I was really living my best life the other day when I had a focus, focus marathon while eating David Bowie M&Ms and snuggling with the animals. They're not actually David Bowie M&Ms, but you know how they did the M&Ms with the album covers? Nope. Okay, well they did that. And they had the David Bowie Aladdin saying and I got two packs of M&M, Kazama, sad I asked. Do they have a version with Metallica's reload album cover on it? No, but I wish they did. I'd buy the **** out of that. People who know know. If you know, you know, I like hey, I like it. Ikeek. Ikeek? Ikeek. I don't like that. So the movie focus, although it is said in Salem, does not actually talk about the real Salem witch trials. Instead it opts for the much more palatable story of the Sanderson sisters and their curse. But the real events that did happen in Salem were not so whimsical and musical. What happened in Salem was really a tragedy. Let's talk about it. So there's so much to the Salem witch trials and some accounts differ. So for time's sake, I don't have every single thing, but I've done my best to kind of hit the high points, the most important parts. So before we get started, Clay, so there's Salem Village and their Salem town. So Salem Village is present day Danvers, Massachusetts. That's where things like actually happened. Gotcha. Salem. Salem, what we know today was Salem town. Salem Village was mostly poor farmers and Salem town was more of a prosperous port area. They did a lot of trading with London and stuff. They were mostly Puritans. If you don't believe in God or the supernatural, you were an outcast. Religion was a massive part of Salem. Let's jump in our little time machine and go back to 1926. I'm sorry. Night. Oh no, you punched them the wrong year. Oh God. Where are we? Okay, no, I fixed it. You don't have the place right either. We're under the ocean. Oh no. Oh no, it's a mechalant. You know what, Clay, I hate to do this to you, but we're going to have to take a commercial break. We'll be right back with more pet candy. Hi, this is Shay and I want to tell you about my new show on pet candy, Cookie with Shay. I make vegan eating easy and fun. Check it out on pet candy TV. Okay, so now we're okay. I fixed the time machine, so now we're in 1692. It's really kind of like cold and dreary. The vibes aren't good here. I don't really like it here. But it's 1692. A few little girls, Elizabeth Paris, who is nine years old at Abigail Williams, who is 11. They were the daughter and niece of Mr. Paris, who we'll find out later is a very important person. Starting displaying some concerning behavior, they would throw themselves on the floor and utter nonsense words, bark like a dog, and contort their bodies in unusual ways, which just kind of sounds like an episode of Bluey to me. I had a wrong impression about the show. About Bluey? Yeah. It's about the sale of witch trials. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, right. The local doctor's diagnosis, bewitchment. Clearly these children were possessed by demons. Naturally. Anyone who's ever met a child knows that these are all just normal things they freaking do. Yeah, children are demons. Yeah, no, children are demons. I mean, they weren't wrong. There's no excising them from the rest of themselves. So on February 29th, under pressure from the Magistrates, Jonathan Corwin and John Hawthorne, the girls blamed three women for afflicting them. Tichiba, the Paris's Caribbean slave, Sarah Good, a homeless beggar, and Sarah Osborne, an elderly, impoverished woman, says the Smithsonian magazine. So all three of these women were brought before the Magistrates. Both Sarah's pleaded innocence. They were good Christian women. Tichiba, however, admitted to the charges. She said that she signed the dark book and she told vivid tales of black dogs, red cats, yellow birds, and other kind of witchy symbols. She implicated other women and accused them of also practicing the black arts. Paws were quick. So some things that were not taken into consideration about Tichiba, she was a woman of color. And she was more likely than not tortured to get a confession. And that's kind of a thing about torture, actually, is that it doesn't really work. No. Someone will tell you anything to get it to stop. And if you're looking for something until you find something, you're going to find misinformation. And that's almost exactly what I have written here. History's shown us that under duress, amidst pain, humiliation, people will say all kinds of things just to make it stop. All three women were jailed and so began the mass hysteria that would become the infamous Salem witch trials. You could be accused of witchcraft for literally anything, even allegedly slamming a door. Well, right. I knew things like reading books or having opinions. Whoa. Clay. Or owning land that someone else wanted. Whoa. Well, you can do those things because you're a white man. So you're fine. I can say, remember, accused of witchcraft. They were. They were. There was comments and women because women could literally do anything to be out there. Well, you know, they're like, I don't know. You're being hysterical. And I'm like, I'll show you hysterical. And then it's like, she's a witch. So there's like a actually good family guy joke about it, whereas a girl solves a math problem. Yeah. Witch. Witch. But don't worry. Just admit that you're a witch. Tell the authorities who else was a witch, repent, and you're good, fam. Yeah. It's kind of like a game of tag. Yeah. Or someone has to be it. Someone has to be it. So when it has to be it. You would confess to being a witch. Don't give them a name. Dead. Right. If you didn't admit to being a witch, you were almost certainly found guilty and hanged. And your good name was stripped away. You couldn't be buried like in a Christian plot. It was this whole, I mean, it was awful. It was really bad. But if you were like, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in love. League with, with the devil, where BFFs talk to him the other day, getting coffee on Thursday. And then they're like, oh, yeah, we'll stop it. Also, who else is a witch? There's never just one. And it's like, you know what? That's why she did say something kind of mean about me. It was definitely she is a 100% a witch. Yeah. Who would say something mean about you? I know. Has to be possessed by Satan himself. Aw. That's very nice of you. But I feel like I was playing a part on talking about you. Wow. I can appreciate you're honest. But yeah, uh, deny the charges face public hanging. So when we think about which is we kind of think about them being burned at the stake, that's a largely European thing here in the States. We hang our witches. You know what I'm saying? Which is funny because the whole like point behind the burning is like, there were specific ways to kill a witch. Right. And apparently you could, yeah, apparently you can just kill a witch in the old way. Yeah. As long as they're dead, it's fine. You got to like drown her in a river by tying rocks to wrinkles. Right. If she lived, she's a witch and more hanker. Right. If she dies, then she wasn't a witch. Right. She was innocent. And our bad. Yeah. My bad. But we had to be sure. Yeah. No, I mean, it was for the good of the people. But most of the accused were women of lower socioeconomic status or just people who were not often seen in church. So the theme of the day was fit in or die, bitch. Yeah. Not much has changed. Yeah. Accusations of witchcraft spread like wildfire. Martha Corey was a well-known loyal member of the church. She even faced charges. So if she could be a witch, anyone could be a witch. Her husband, Giles Corey, was like, WTF, no, my wife is not a witch. She's old and frail and a good godly woman in every way. He was sent questioned himself and asked to enter a plea guilty or innocent. He refused to interplay at all, likely because if he did so and was convicted, which would almost certainly happen, he would lose all his rights to his land and therefore leave nothing behind for his family because the state would take away your stuff. And then, but your family has no inheritance. So that's believed to be the reason why he wouldn't interplay either way because they can't try you if you do not plea. I don't think that holds up anymore. It does not. But in order to move on with the trial, he had to interplay, but he stayed strong and he was tortured. He was crushed by stones. They would add more and more weight until finally, after two days, he was crushed and he died. This is that famous scene. It's in a lot of the movies where he's like, more stones are like more weight because they're like, are you are you a witch? He was like more stones. Oh, is there a good? Her daughter was four years old. Her name was Dorothy Good. She was jailed. The four year old was jailed. Questioned and her little mild little replies were deemed as a confession. Yeah. Well, you know, kids are if you're like, is mommy a walrus? They'll be like, yeah. Just to reply. So it's like, do you want to spanking? Yeah, because they don't and they haven't learned no yet. Right. Or they're like, no, it's like, is mom not a witch? No, see? But children, we all know children are notorious. We're saying crazy shit. I love when kids curse. It's my favorite. Sarah Good gave birth and jail. Oh, yeah, by the way, she was pregnant. Very cool. Yeah. But the child did not survive. She was later hanged and little Dorothy Good, the four year old. She was also accused of witchcraft. So that's very cool. Very cool. Very cool Puritans love white people. Demi, governor Thomas Stanford and his entourage began attending the hearings and shit got even real or dozens of people were brought in for questioning. It was like crazy. Like she looked at me funny, definitely which Smithsonian magazine says on May 27, 1692, governor William Thips ordered the establishment of a special court of Oyer, which means to hear and terminor to decide for suffoc Essex and middle sex counties. The first case brought to the first case brought to the first case brought to the special court was Bridget Bishop and older woman who was known for her gossipy habits and promiscuity. When she asked if she committed witchcraft, Bishop responded, I am as innocent as the child and born. The defense must not have been convincing because she was found guilty. And on June 10, she became the first person hanged on what was later called Gala's Hill. Cotton Mather was a local minister. You probably remember him from the show Salem, which is loosely based on right. Yeah, which child the historical cotton Mather was actually pretty, pretty okay. He was a pretty cool guy. He implored the court to stop allowing spectral evidence to be entered. After all, was that truly evidence? Because people would be like, I see demons and it's like, okay. All right. Well, where are they? All right. Where are they? Who did it? It was Sarah Good. Wasn't it? It was Sarah Good. No, just just say her name. That's all you got to do. Just say her. You don't even say it was her. Just say her name. I'll give you five dollars if you keep somebody's witchcraft. Yeah. Who's like, what the hell is a dollar? Right. I feel like people haven't had time to pee. I don't want anybody to pee themselves. Oh, no, don't do that. Yeah, we're going to take a commercial break. We'll be right back with more pet candy. I love my fur babies so much. But when they're stressed out, it makes me stressed out. Mine hate loud noises like thunderstorms and fireworks. 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I once convinced a mutual friend of ours to dress up almost like an aviation pilot with the goggles from our chemistry class and one of like the protective capes or whatever the aprons worn as a cape and a fold up of paper airplane and lighted a fire throw across the room. I remember you telling me that he was amazing. How immediately as soon as you let go of the paper airplane, he felt just disgust at himself and remorse. Like it was instantaneous. As soon as he let go of it, he'd like put his face in his palms and was just shaking his head like, why did I do that? He's like, I'll never get into college. But I mean, it's that power. It suggests that people dare you to do stupid shit. You're trying to fit in and before you know it, you're, you're lighting a paper airplane on fire and you're throwing it across the church. And you're being called a witch and getting in trouble for the first time in his life. I'm pretty sure. Oh, I was like that. This is like high school day. It's a very good kid. And I convinced him to do some very dumb things. You are always bringing out the worst in the world. And the worst in people and the best. But the court deemed the idea of not entering spectral evidence. That was nonsense. And they just continue to hang more people based on accusations on hearsay. Cotton's father, his name was increased matter, which is a super cool name, by the way, you say increase, increase. So like more matter than my son. My son is a watered down version of his son is decrease matter. Yeah, like he's just less matter. And then his mother makes the point his father, matter is complete. His third and final form. Right. Well, it's like a Pokemon, you know, the best ones have three forms. No, they don't. The best ones have to. But anyway, so cool name. We love, we love the name increase. He was the president of Harvard at the time. Harvard existed back then and agreed with his son. He said it's a better that tense suspected wishes should escape than one innocent person be condemned. I seem to agree with the matter, Clam. When governor Fipps own wife was charged, he decided maybe the mother's were on something, you know, after spectral evidence was no longer allowed, the number of convictions decreased drastically. Interesting. At least 200 people were accused. But some were just kind of never followed up on like people would point their fingers and say, oh, she's a witch, but they just never really pursued it. But oh, they were, I was going to say they were busy. They were busy. They were like next week you next week, we'll hold an interrogation. Yeah, where you will confess your a witch or will kill you. Right. Yeah, pretty much. And then after you confess your a witch will probably kill you. By the time it was all sent and done, there were 20 deaths. 19 were convicted and executed. And then one person was tortured to death, but did not confess. And that was Jiles Corey. There were also four people who died in prison, a waiting trial. So they never got the chance to be hanged because they died in prison. Because this is a 1600 and everything is asked. So here are a few signs, Clam that you might be a witch. Okay. Witch cakes sounds lovely. It's not a witch cake. They would take the urine of the suspected witch and they would mix it with some kind of grain and bake it and make a little little piss cake. And if it tasted like piss, you were right. Well, they would feed it to a dog, which that's not nice guys. I'll do that. But they would feed it to a dog here. Eat this woman's peace. Yeah, here eat this peace cake. This peace cake. So it's dog ate it and convulsed like had seizures or blah blah blah. You're a witch. Usually the dog pancreatitis from eating actually. Right. Right. Like, oh man, the urine levels and your dogs blood are way too high. We don't actually check for urine levels in blood. Everybody, that was a joke. Well, most people are eating, you know, piss cakes. That's disgusting, right? But sometimes the dog would be fine because dogs, especially of this time, kind of ate whatever they were fine. And I'm wondering if the dog threw up into the, was that considered convulsing? What classifies as convulsing? If the dog scrunches a flee, is it convulsing? Yes, probably. So yeah, probably did by those again, when you're looking for something, you're going to find it exactly. I don't know. We shake this head couldn't be these ancient ear mites. Oh, sorry. I forgot. So yeah, if the dog convulsed, you were a witch. If the dog didn't convuls and was fine, you're probably still a witch. Almost certainly still a witch. Then there were witch treats, which also sounds nice and lovely, but it's not. So it would be, they would do key. Yeah, they would do key, but it would be any kind of, I don't know. I don't know. I'm very tired. It's a long day. So very shrekian, very shrekian. But any, a witch treat was any kind of weird spot. So it could be a mole or a freckle areas of the body that are sensitive. Oh, yes. Where the witches familiar would suckle upon the marriage, man. I just forgot they were called witch treats. I thought maybe they were called witch teats. I did too. And I, I don't think that was a error, but I'm could be wrong. Maybe Microsoft word, like auto correct. You're like, this is the way she meant to type teat. Yeah. No, I think it was, I think it was Bailey Sarian who called it witch treats because it was kind of a joke, but because I'm thinking, oh, how we can't eat. And I was thinking about all of my M&Ms and then I was like, which treats? But then, yeah, like you said, which teats? Yeah. Anyway, weird body mipples. Yeah, weird body nipples. Wait minutes. If you had ointment in your home, absolutely, you were a witch. Pultus. Don't have that here. You can do that. Any kind of ointment, poultus witchcraft books about tarot or palmistry. I mean, that is kind of witchy. But it's probably shouldn't have that. Yeah, probably shouldn't have that in the 1600. It is a 16 on it. But pretty benign. I would have 1000% man hanged as a witch because I have a ton of crystals. Like a shiny rocks. Bunch of shiny rocks. But why? Why was this such a thing? Well, mass hysteria, obviously. I think people weren't just bored. I think so too. There wasn't TV back then. They couldn't blow off steam any other way. You couldn't have sex. Yeah, and every time. If there were a Puritan culture, then there was nothing you could do. Wasn't a sin. That's true. If it was even remotely enjoyable. Right. Is like, well, that's a sin. That's a sin. Except for killing people is apparently not a sin because they did a lot of that. So that's a mission from God. So scientists have now found that there might be a fungal reason. I know how much you love fungi. So I wanted to make sure I talked about this. Yeah, thanks. Cool. You're welcome. Client loves mushrooms. They're his favorite. So we and Rai were two of the main crops that were consumed daily at this time. It's believed that there is a fungus called Urgot. It's known to cause ergotism, which is muscle spasms, a days demeanor, manic symptoms, tremors, paralysis, hallucinations, et cetera. It's also a component of LSD. So maybe these bitches were tripping balls. I think I heard once about that, ergot also being a possible explanation for like the dancing sickness. Yeah, the dancing sickness, possibly where wolves. I mean, there's all kinds of things that ergot has been attributed to him. It's a component LSD. We just said, but more likely this was just an easy way to get rid of undesirable people. And paranoia and mob mentality. Mob mentality will do some stuff. Most of the women that were blaming each other had some kind of tiff in the past. I mean, I expect if you live in like a village or a town or whatever, back then, everyone knew each other. Absolutely. Half, half the time you were all gathered in one building, at least once a week. Right. And if you weren't in that building, oh, you were definitely a witch. Yeah. Most definitely. And by the way, the, uh, I kind of skipped around a little bit with the people don't at me. According to the Smithsonian magazine, following the trials and executions, many involved like judge Samuel C. Woll publicly confess to error and guilt. On January 14th, 1697, the general court ordered a day of fasting and soul searching for the tragedy in Salem and 1702. The court declared the trials unlawful. And in 1711, the colony passed a bill restoring the rights and good names of those accused and granted 600 pounds restitution to their heirs. However, it was not until 1957, more than 250 years later, that Massachusetts formally apologized for the events of 1692. The families of the victims fought to have their good names restored and it finally happened. 300 years later, the state of Massachusetts exonerated them and publicly proclaimed their innocence. We probably shouldn't have eaten all that Indian food. We're going to be right back. We're going to go to the bathroom. Excuse us. We'll be right back with more pet candy. Hi, I want to tell you about my new show, Simply Pets with Shannon Gregor. We talk about pets, life, love, and everything in between with the coolest people on the planet. Don't miss out on the fun. Check it out on a podcast platform of your choice. And 1992 on the 300th anniversary of the sale on which trials a memorial was built and it was dedicated by none other than Ellie Vizel. Ellie Vizel is a famous Holocaust survivor and wrote the book night and it's very intense. Okay. I didn't know that was. He said he said the name with like such a such gusto as if like I would shit my pants. Clay can't read. It's kind of an embarrassing thing for him. He doesn't know how to read. So he doesn't read books. I don't like books. I love books. But night is a very tragic, very personal first-hand account of the Holocaust. And it's a very, I don't want to say it's good. Like all that's such a good book. But like it's written so well and it's so interesting. And also don't know if you know about a little play called the Crucible. No. Clay. I'm definitely read it in Miss Beans class. I don't. 1000%. I remember this being. Well, Miss High Notes class also read. Okay. Sounds vaguely familiar. So crucible. Like many things I learned in high school. The Crucible is a play and it's also a movie. But it is based on these on which trials and it was written by hold on. By Arthur Miller. Arthur Miller research in real tough. Yes. Arthur Miller. Okay. I've heard of the clicking of her finger. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. So I was as Arthur Miller, but I was like, is it Arthur? What's the destiny? It's Arthur Miller. Well, he wrote the Crucible and the Crucible is about the sale in which trials. And it's very boring except for the line where someone was having an affair. And the quote is he clutched it my back and sweated like a stallion. And that has always. Okay. I do remember now, right? Because we all had a good chuckle at that. Yes. It's the only thing I remember next time I see Miss Beans because she comes to the that clinic. I'm going to be like, can I bring the Crucible and she'll be like, yeah, or the Crucible and I'll be like, he clutched it my back and sweated like a stallion. You don't guess what? I used that knowledge for the first time in my life says learning. I finally found a use for it. You said I would. You said I would. You always believed in me. But Salem today embraces their witchy past. And this is a place that's dedicated to the memory of the victims. Most places with a dark past try to kind of make it go away or sugarcoded, but not Salem. There's a red line on the ground on the pavement that if you follow it, it'll take you to all the historic Salem sites. The memorialist solemn because the actual location of the graves is unknown. So the memorial also serves as a gravesite. Remember, they were hanged as witches. They did not get a formal burial. They did not get a Christian service. Yeah. We don't know where these people are actually buried. Yeah, they might not have been buried in them. They could have just got kind of thrown into the woods. Right. Right. So this memorial serves, it's treated like their grave. Right. People leave flowers and coins and rocks and just all kinds of little, little offerings for them. Some things that would have been seen as witchcraft. Right. A long ago. Absolutely. And after you get done there, you can go buy a crystal. I bet there's a coffee shop in that town called the Witches Brew. If there's not, I'm going to be really upset. Like I guarantee that something just almost starts just knowing how tourism is. Oh, we're going to have to look that up. But yeah, no, definitely. There has to be. There has to be. So when you first go to this memorial, there are stones with quotes for them. The accused such as more stones, more stones. And then there's like a whole bunch of stuff to leave stones. That guy's grave probably. Well, okay, we're going to talk about him and just. Okay. I just say like me, if I was crushed us by stones, I'd see the human. I would think it was fun. Yeah, put put stones in my grave. That'd be pretty funny. I would have more stones like edged into it, but I would want crystals. This whole thing was a big F you to them anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Screw those guys. They suck. But at the beginning, we, so when you go up to the memorial, there are stones like on the ground that have quotes from the accused such as for my life is now in your hands. I am no witch. God knows I am innocent. Oh Lord, help me. Some of their sentences are cut off by a wall as a symbol of the indifference of those who accused them. There are benches with the victim's names and scribed on them. Their names are Bridget Bishop Sarah good Elizabeth. How Susanna Mardham Rebecca nurse Sarah Wilders George Burrows Martha Carrier John Willard George Jacob senior John Proctor Alice Parker Mary Parker and prudiatur will not read Margaret Scott Samuel Wadwell Marsha Corey Mary Eastie Giles Corey. Do you think there was a Sarah bad? Almost certainly. And she had a mustache. Oh definitely. She definitely had a mustache and she was the only one that was actually a witch. Yeah. And every she was like, yeah. And then she was like curl her mustache. Yeah, she only used her witch powers to grow a mustache. Those are all she did. I mean, she was very benevolent which the bad in our last name was that she was kind of a bad which she was a bad witch. She just wasn't good at witch. Yeah. She wasn't really good at anything. Oh no. It's the tragedy of Sarah bad. Sarah bad. Poor Sarah bad. She didn't even get a cue of witchcraft. Oh no. She tried so hard. She was like, I'm a witch. I have books. No, you're not. I have books. I know how to read. One plus one equals two. I got two red shawls. Yeah. Slut. But each of those names, that's the name of a person who was wrongly executed. They had their good name tarnished. They left behind grieving families. They left behind many children. Some of these women had 11 children. Yes, not really in common for the time. It's not. How many of those children made it to 15? Well, that was uncommon for the time. If it was still 11, that's an impressive number. Right. Many of their ancestors still honor their memory today. The place where Giles Corey was pressed to death is now the Howard Street Cemetery. But the actual specific location within this cemetery is unknown. He's not buried there. We really don't know where he was buried because none of them got a good burial. The old jail where all these people were held is now a luxury apartment. You imagine living there. I really thought it was going to be something else. No, it's an apartment. Like you can go live there. And it's a luxury apartment and it's expensive AF and it's haunted AF as well. Proctor's ledge. So we had said Giles Hill. For the longest time, we thought Giles Hill was where the Giles were, right? Right. Well, that makes sense. Apparently historians have found that the true location is actually what we know as Proctor's ledge. That's the actual location of the hangings. There's not a way to know the exact location. But most historians kind of agree it's more likely Proctor's ledge and it's an alimemorial park. And it's kind of right off the road. It's on kind of like a busy street. So it's a little harder to get there. But I recently found out that there were three sisters who were believed to be the inspiration for the Sanderson sisters, although they were based very loosely, just in that there were three sisters who were all accused of witchcraft. But what can we learn from this? It's a frustrating story. So many people say how I wish I could go back in time and save them. But my ass would have been hanged for witchcraft immediately. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, immediately. Not everyone shares the same beliefs. And that's okay. I hope we never go back to these ways and kudos to Salem for their respectful memorial. Last but not least is a quote I found that's been heavy on my noggin, thanks Bailey Sarian. That's what she does in her videos. She's like it's a trick crime story that's been heavy on my noggin. I'll never be her. God, she's amazing. But who knows why we were taught to fear the witches and not those who burned them alive? Janice Ian. I don't think any witches have ever burned any one alive. Certainly they didn't burn as many people alive as people who burned witches alive. Oh, absolutely not. It's a little a little bit about Salem witch trials, Clay. Okay. It's kind of sad. I like Hocus Pocus better. Yeah. It's a little bit a little easier. It's more palatable. More palatable. It's more palatable. But for real though, everybody, can we just talk about how great brave pauses? We got a free sample. We did. We're going to be completely transparent with you. We did. We got some free stuff and it works. Yeah, I was a little surprised. Like, I'm not going to lie, you get this stuff and it doesn't really seem like a typical pet treat, right? Right. But we gave it to our pets and they gumbled right up. They do. They do. And it's nice because it's like you give so many pills per pound. So you don't have to buy like three different sizes. You know, our little guy gets a half of one. Our big one gets three. Right. And he loves it. He takes them like a treat. 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Give your pet the courage they need to weather the storm. Have you ever heard this? I heard that one of the reasons why the sale in which trials stopped is because someone accused a dude basically halfway across the country. And he sent them a letter back saying he would see them if they kept slandering his name. And they're like, oh, that's how that's one of the things that one of the main components that brought the sale in which trials to a halt was great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather. Maybe too many greats. But yeah, I mean, I always think that's funny anyway. Because I can see that happening. Like I got money involved. Never mind. Yeah, never mind. Like lives. Never mind. He wasn't a witch. I was just kidding. Yeah, I was jashing. Yeah. That's jashing. That's having a little fun. It's having a little fun. I was pulling your leg. Since we talked about hangings. Yeah. And you know, hangings, that's where that saying pulling your leg comes from. Because sometimes people wouldn't die. They would break an egg. Yeah, it would snap your neck. And sometimes it was the victim's family who would come and come. Yeah, they were allowed to come and help you die. Because you're just like, that's horrible. So Clay, end of son of a palate cleanser. OK. Slam in the back of my Dracula. If you know, you know. DEEP DOO. I'm going to do what you said. I'm going to back them back. Drag you there. God, hopefully our editor will remove our sins from this plane of existence. No, he's probably just going to hang this instead. So Clay, what are you going to talk about next time? I don't know yet. OK. Well, I was really going to do a focus focus. Bullshit. Do not believe me. That's bullshit. The people must hear. The people must know. Do you hear the people? Oh, I got a couple of good ones. Yeah. Yeah, I think I can do. I think we're going to have a little bit of a theme, at least for these October episodes. Yeah, it's kind of spooky season. 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