"Michelle Pfeiffer"

Oh, how's everybody today doing today? I'm so good, Sean. How are you? Are we actually doing this or are we talking or are we having a business meeting about when we're doing cold opens? I think we're rolling. We're literally rolling the listeners are listening. OK, because we're not doing another show for another couple of weeks. So I'm just, anyway, welcome to Smart List. Here it comes. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Oh, wait, what's sus mean? Suspect. Suspect. Suspect. Right, that's one of the new ones that kids are saying, right? Not new. God, you're embarrassing yourself. Riz is not new, right? That's a couple of years old. Really, really bad. Is Flexi a new one? Flexi could be good. Like, what's Flexi mean? Like flexible? Yeah. And then what did I hear was, oh, Zesty is gay. Is that right? Zesty, oh, sure. I never heard that. If something is Zesty, Will, have you heard the boys saying that? Sorry. Guys, I've got to keep up. We have to record soon. We're going to start the podcast. And I just want to make sure I've got my... Watching you and hearing you get old in front of me is just astounding. You should have heard the sounds I made trying to get out of the bed this morning. Super old. Like, oh. And like a rogue fart. Just like, oh, fuck it. All right, back. Boy, you're going to wish that it said that with our guest. No, he was a respectable guest. Yes, very respectable. Very, very, she's very classy. God damn it. I'm sorry, surprise guest. No, it's good. And J.B., I would say that you started me off on the whole, like, every time you would get out of your chair. By the way, not even when you were old, when you were like 33, you'd go, ugh. You got to make a sound to lock in the core. I know. And somehow I got into that. Yeah, you do. Well, but you know what Chuggy is, right? Chuggy is a word the kids used to describe someone or something that's outdated or trying to hard to be trendy or lacking originality. Well, you're reading, cause you looked that up. I just looked it up while you were talking. What was the prompt? What was the prompt? Hey, what are the kids saying? Absolutely. Really? Absolutely. That's what the prompt was. Sean. Wait, what about, oh, by the way, the other night at this is, what's today? What's today? Wednesday? Tuesday. Yeah. Sunday, the center seat in the front row of the play, the girl, this girl just, I could tell she was just a single ticket. She kept, her head was not. She was a narcoleptic, hard to get a date. I don't know. Yeah. No. She kept nodding off. And so at the bow, I pointed right to her and I just, and I mouth, they go, you got to go night, you got to go night, night. Oh, Sean. Sean. I did. I pointed right to her, the whole cast, we were laughing on stage and I'm like, you got to go night, night. Are you dying? Are you tie, tie? Oh, and what do you, she embarrass or give you the finger? She just kept looking at me clapping. Clapping. And she's like, she didn't realize I was, I'm looking right at her, but she didn't realize it. Yeah. She probably has an issue picking up on social cues and grab a proper rest. Definitely proper rest. Who is like a very expensive nap. Yeah. Yeah. What did you maybe look at your performance? How was she? How did she? I thought about the whole time. Was she, was she normal or was she chopped? Did she look chopped? What's chopped? What would you just look up with? Oh, you guys don't, oh, you guys don't know what it was chopped. This is a real one. You kind of kind of a little busted, a little busted up, little. You're not even reading that. No. So did that come from Archie or Abel? Listen, I'm like, no, no, no, you're not getting turned on. So I'm in with the, who gave you that Archie or Abel? Dude, all of our friends, my friends and Archie's friends and Abel, so we're all, because I hang, because we're all young dudes. Yeah. So we're kind of in the same friend group. And do you guys, do you guys say, Hey, this is a great, this is a great new flavor of gum. You should try it. Or you should hear it is what I usually say. Spit it out of your mouth. I know, I always forget that I've got it going on. I know, why do you, but you always chew gum. Wait, is that the Nicaragum? Is that what moves on it? Well, truth be told, I've got some Zinn. I've got the little nicotine pouch in. That another word because it's a free pouch. I'm not a one. I'm forgetting free shit. I like this David Power Bar, guys. The folks at David, let me give you, I'm going to give you in my address a little later in the side chat. The folks at David, Sean, anything, any kind of hot fudge or ice cream that you need to Hagen dies. I love Hagen dies. Do you? I do. I can't, I can't eat too much. We like McDonald's. We like McDonald's. Yes. We like McDonald's too. As well. A lot. We like them a lot. And obviously Hyundai, Jamsie, do you want to hear a quick joke? Laura Piano, Rolex and net jets. Okay. Guys. Wait, do you want to add a real quick joke? Ready? So gross. Go ahead, Chad. Everybody. A dwarf psychic just escaped prison. Come on. Really? Yeah. There's a small medium at large. There's a small medium at large. Large. I feel like you can work on your reading of that. Okay. I heard a really quick one. This guy's going down the road. There he is. Okay. And he gets to a T in the road and he doesn't know which way to go. He's kind of lost and he goes to the right and all of a sudden his car breaks down. He goes in front. He lifts up the hood. He's trying to figure out what's wrong and he hears it's the alternator and he looks up. There's a horse there. He goes, what the hell? So he goes down, looks at the car again. He can't figure it out and he hears it's the alternator. He looks back at the horse. He's like, what the? So he tries the alternator, tightens a few screws, starts right up and he goes, oh man. So he drives to the nearest bar. He gets in the bar and he says the bar and he says, give me two large branding. He just downs it. He says, give me another large branding down. And the barman goes, oh, oh, oh, you okay? And he goes, yeah. He goes, I just drive in here. I was lost. I hit a T in the road. I went to fix my car and this horse, this talking horse. No, I decided to go right and I came upon this horse and he said that it was the alternator. And he goes, oh man, good thing you didn't go left. He goes, why? Cause there's a horse over there that doesn't know anything about cars. Come on. Come on. Where are we going? I know. Are we going into fucking choke hell? You didn't like that? Cause I'm already there. You didn't like that? There's a horse over there that doesn't know anything about cars. Where's the punchline? Yeah. That's it. That's fucking terrible. We're going to leave that in. We're not going to cut it because everyone needs to know that sometimes we'll clank sit. It happens rarely. You didn't like it. I love it. I think it's cute. Stupid. All right. So our guest, our guest couple of, couple of pieces of string walk into a bar and they, and they, they sit out on the stools and the, and the one piece of string says the bartender says, give us a couple of beers. And bartender says, we don't fucking serve string in here. And the two pieces of string look at each other. Come on. Let's get out of here. So they walk outside and one piece of string says the other piece of string, quick, tie yourself around me. He goes, what are you doing? Just tie yourself around me. Come on. Ties yourself around. They hop back in there. They jump up on one stool and it says, give us a couple of beers. He goes, Hey, aren't you those two pieces of string I just kicked out of here? The guy says, frayed not. Okay. So that's, that's up there with your shit horse joke, but it's slightly better. That's a little good thing. It ain't go left. There's a horse over there that doesn't know anything about cars. I think about cars. I don't know. Sean's laughing. Sean's just having fun. Let's see if our surprise guest is going to this crowd. Imagine a horse. Imagine like, okay. You know, and it, okay. So by the way, Franny is eating up Bojo. Oh no, is it? No, it's maple. She's eating up Bojack horseman. Inappropriate for her age, but apparently this is a great show. This is a, this is an animated show on the Netflix. Oh my God. Was it just getting going? I haven't heard anything about it. I tell you who's been going for a long time is our guest. Oh, nice. She's worked with everybody from, from, we're talking, this is Primo, A-list, iconic. She's going to hate me for saying this, but it's true. She's been a great actor. She has been, she's worked with everybody from Pacino, De Niro, Nicholson. She's been nominated for three Academy Awards. You know, she's been a queen, a catwoman, a dangerous liaison. Yes, it's Michelle. How did you get that? I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. How did you get that? How did you get that? How did you get that? Connected to the universe. Michelle Pfeiffer reveal yourself. Michelle Pfeiffer. Good morning. Oh, she's so mad. She's asleep. Good morning. What a pleasure. You're so fast. I know. Jason, how did you get that? You know, there's not that many incredible icons in the world, male or female. You're right there at the top. Hi, Michelle. Hey, hi. How are you? I'm great. How are you? I'm good. Getting ready to go back to Montana. For what? For some, for some more Madison. More Madison. So, Michelle, I wanted to start by saying, first of all, I had such a great time. I did a couple of days with you on the Madison, which was super fun. He came home and raved about you, Michelle. He did. He did. It was, you know, I did. I gushed. Fun? Wow. It was, it was, it was, yeah. Are we talking about Will as a scene partner? No, no, Will was great. And he was very, yeah, he was an amazing scene. No, no, love, love, love, love the director, love the show, love the actors. It was just the scene, our scenes were kind of grueling and we did a lot of takes. A lot of takes. A lot of angles. A lot of angles and we had, it was heavy. It was just the two of us for about two days and we're just talking at each other for two days. Was it only two days? Was it like a contentious? Yeah. Maybe three. And I was cursing at him. Yeah. Yeah. I'm throwing the F bomb around and. I appreciate you not actually using the word on this episode. So Michelle, I went all the way back. So in anticipation of having you on the show, which this has been a long time coming and actually we were going to have you a long time ago and then schedule and things that prevented us from having you a long time ago. And I wanted to get into one of the things I loved when I look up, it says, and I wanted to talk, ask you about this. The first, your first television credit ever was Fantasy Island. Oh, no way. That's cool. What a giant. I had one line. No way. I had one line on Fantasy Island and I remember the line. What is it? And the line, and the episode was the Island of Lost Women. Sure. Okay. I was one of the Lost Women and we were all running around in togas. Can I guess the line? Pastel. Yes. Here I am. No. No. And it was the closer. They went to credits after that. That was the only episode that Sean skipped. I was like boobs, I'm out. It was, it was, it was, who is he Naomi? Wow. Who is he Naomi? And we were referring to Mr. Rourke. It was, who was it? Herb A Pillachess. I can't remember who it was. And, and there were no men. I mean the premises, there were no men on the island. And so we were all, we were all lusting over this one man. Who, oh, but you don't remember who that, that, and that was a guest, guest job. I don't. You could, well, did you do your homework? Did you look at the credits? No, I didn't, sorry, did it say who you're not on wiki? I mean, it did say it. Now, what did they do a lot of that? Wasn't that done like on a back lot, at one of the studios? It was huge. Universal back? I'm guessing it was universal, but it could have been Warner Brothers. You didn't, you didn't, you didn't fly to Hawaii or something, right? No. Yeah. Right. No, they flew me to Hawaii. No. Yeah, no. No, but I do remember how exciting it was, showed up for work and there was, you know, Honeywagon, all the rooms there. Well, you were, you were at a Honeywagon for sure with one line. For sure. You're lucky to even. Sean, can you just tell Tracy real quick, Sean, say this point to his sister? Yeah. Honeywagon is, it's a trailer where you, where you, as an actor, you hang out before, while they're working on the. Yeah. But it's divided. And it's divided up into small rooms. Very small rooms and they put you in there like a veal. Yes. It's just enough room to turn. You can, you can go to the restroom, brush your teeth and change your shoes all sitting on one. What more does one need? Honestly. Nothing. It's very efficient. But I was very excited because I looked up and there was my name and a star. Yeah. They knew. Like you made it. That's how long. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So tell me, like, tell me what, by the way, it's so nice to see, I think we met a long, long, long time ago, but she doesn't. It's just in passing. No, she doesn't remember. But, but this is the first time I've gotten to talk to you. So it's such a pleasure. And what was that like when you, the first time when you, so before Fantasy Island, had you been pursuing it? How did you fall into it? Like, how did you get that, that first job? I had taken theater in high school to avoid having to take an English class. I think it was grammar that I was avoiding. And, and so I sort of fell into it and I thought all the theater people were just kind of, you know, geeky. Yeah. And, and anyway, I, I just, I mean, I just fit right in and I, I just sort of fell in with it and then anyway graduated. I didn't think I would ever, in my wildest dreams, become an actor. I just wasn't a part of that. I'd never met an actor. I'd never met a famous person and. And your family was, there was no sort of acting connection in your family. Nothing, nothing. Nothing. In fact, my dad was not thrilled at the notion of me doing that. Where were you? Where did you grow up? Um, uh, in Orange County, not that far away from LA. Um, anyway, so I was, uh, working at Vaughn supermarket. I love it. Sure. Yeah. And, um, check out. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't a very good checker. I could never balance my cash register. Yeah. And those are the days where you had to, you had to, you had to type in the price. Yeah. And I didn't just scan stuff. Those were the days, right? Yeah. Way back then. Get some skills. Um, now did you not go to college and like study up on some, you know, tangible something and you could really rely on like a real, or were you just like, I'm all in. And if this doesn't work, I'm going back to slinging melons. I had, I had, uh, started a trade school. I was doing court reporting. Oh, wow. And that made me crazy in the head because you have to sort of learn a whole new language. Yeah. And, and then you have to type it out like this. What is to not refer? It's not for, it's not for. Wait. So you know how to do that. And not anymore, but what would happen was after about a year of studying that, every time I would talk to people, my hands would start going like this. Really? And my brain is transcribing. And I'm transcribing every single thing. And it's not a QWERTY keyboard, is it? It's, it's, it's, it's like a different kind of keyboard. No, it's a totally different, you have to learn a completely different language. It's a fully different language. Did it help you memorize dialogue going forward? No, I mean, maybe. Good question though. Thanks. I was just thinking, I just think it would be funny. I wonder if you ever lost a job. You know, you said you took acting because you didn't want to do this grammar class. And I wonder if you ever lost a job. They're like, we really wanted to hire her, but her grammar was terrible. Yeah. She doesn't speak good. I've been, since you popped on our little screen here today to talk, it's really hard for me to hold. I have, you know, grease too is one of my favorite movies of all time. Really? And I'm sure you get it all the time. And I'm so sorry, but me and my sister watched it a thousand times. I know every word. My sister would die. Every song. My sister would die. Whatever, who else is better? Sorry. Michelle was about to correct him. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Anyway, I just, I just, it was a huge part of my childhood grease too. And we would just watch it over and over and over again. I know every line of dialogue and everywhere. And so it's really cool that you were part of my... What's your favorite part in the film? Isn't that cool? I think one of my favorite parts of the film is a girl for all seasons. Cause it's so ridiculous. I'll be your girl for all seasons all the year. That's a Christmas tree. Absolutely. Absolutely. And how many, Sean, how many times have you reenacted Cool Rider on a ladder? A thousand times. Okay. I need to see... You know, there's somebody online who did that actually and I reposted it. Oh really? There's a guy who reenacts every scene. Do you get that a lot in your life that people just sort of know? No, it's like a cult classic. Yeah. Is that the thing people do the most from grease to going outlandish and recreating stuff? You mean... Do people come up and quote lines or is that the one that people go, oh my God, I love Sean, like sort of fan going out. That is... That's a big one. And I guess probably... Well, and then you've got all the people quoting Scarface, which is crazy. But mostly they're quoting Tony Montana, not really me. And Fabulous Baker Boyz. What about that, Sean? Have you sung on top of a piano? Of course. I picked a nap on top of you. Oh my God. I remember when that movie came out. I love those guys too, so much. I love Bo and Jeff Bridges. What great dudes. And I mean, just the best. That movie was so good, Michelle. The best. The best. And we will be right back. And now back to the show. Michelle, like you, you could go on and on and on with all of the incredible things that you have done. I know. Do you take the time ever privately to kind of give yourself a little pat on the back for the longevity, the amount of time you have spent in a relevant position in an industry that's famous for its unpredictability and it's so sort of fickle. And like you have been incredibly well respected and sought after for probably five times longer than your average actor or actress. It's just, it's admirable. Don't you find it, I find it, for some, no. I don't. You should. I'm surprised actually to hear people say that. But I also find today it's really hard to feel relevant in any way because it does feel like, you know, everybody's family. Everybody's sort of getting their 15 minutes and you kind of, so it doesn't, I don't know. It doesn't feel that way. Honestly. Right. But it turns out, it seems like there's, well, there's certainly enough room for you, right? You are still doing that which you want at the pace that you want. It seems from the outside. I mean, you've got free, you've got the Madison, you've got your show on your Apple TV, you've got a movie coming out as well, right? For Amazon, like you're busy. Well, yeah, I'm a little too busy. I didn't, I didn't really plan, look, I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful because I love acting. I've never lost. In fact, I probably enjoy it more now than I ever have because. Really? Yeah, I'm sort of more relaxed with it. I actually didn't, you know, I, when I had all of this work, plus I have a fragrance company that I founded like seven years ago. And so, you know, at a time when I wasn't working all this much. So I don't really have time to be thinking about anything but the task at hand. But when I had all these acting jobs coming up, I thought, okay, okay, how are you going to manage this and have a life? Because that hasn't always been easy for me. I'm a, I'm a all or nothing kind of girl. And when I approach things, and I always like taking on challenges and then I get into it and it sort of sink or swim. And for whatever reason, I kind of feed on that. Maybe not so healthy. I don't know. But so, so my approach has been, this gets back to why am I enjoying it more now than ever is I don't have time to, nor the desire to go that deep for that long and, and not be present. You know, I, I really, I realize, you know, I have a finite amount of time left. And I might, I might announce on this show that I became a grandmother last year. Excellent. Well done. I've been very quiet about it. And it is the greatest. It's, it's, it's, it's heaven. It's ridiculous. It's, um, congratulations, by the way, that's pretty cool. And, um, if I had known that I was going to be a grandmother, I, I wouldn't have taken on so much work, but I've enjoyed everything and I'm really grateful. I mean, I've loved, I love each of these projects. And so what the weird thing is that sort of giving up that angst about the process has freed me up. And I feel in some ways has made me better. You mean the angst about the process of actually studying to play that character, doing the research, you gotta, you gotta. Oh, I have to know this and I have to, you know, and I have to free, I have to personalize this and I have to, you know, and yes, yes, there's a certain amount of, you know, yes, there's a certain amount of that you have to do and that's important. Yeah. But then, you know, and then you start though, but there's something amazing for me about showing up and it's about discovery. Yes. And also I bet you bring more of yourself now than ever before. Is that correct? Yes. I think, I think you might be right. Yeah. You might be right. That's a first. For better or worse, Sean, for better or worse, Sean. I mean, like, it makes you fearless, more fearless. Yeah, I'll bet, Michelle, you would say for better, right? Because if we're doing things correctly, which it sounds like you are, you become a better and better version of yourself as you get older and as an actor, sort of by consequence, you're bringing more interesting abilities to pretending to be other people. So I'll bet your work has gotten even better, right? I mean, do you watch your own stuff? I mean, can you allow yourself to watch yourself and go, that's a little bit better than what I did five years ago or 10 years ago? It's hard for me to like my work and watch it. And that's the other thing is I used to see every day's daily, the work before, had to see what I was doing, had to see where I was at, had to know, do I need to make a shift, do I need to. Yeah. And I don't. I just don't anymore. What happened? When did that change? It gradually started shifting. Actually, that was a while ago because I was just torturing myself. So you didn't like what you were seeing or you got more confident in, oh, you know what? No. I keep checking, but it's fine. Or were you doing it to punish yourself at a certain level, do you think? I'm just very, I'm just super critical. Yeah. So then you left it and you're like, I'm just going to be mean to myself so I don't even want to look. No mean to my, yes, yes, yes. Because I know, no matter what I see, I'm going to find the negative. I'm going to find the negative and I'm going to show up the next day and do it the best way I know how. Anyway. I'm always going to give 110%. I'm not going to. Well, I guess the danger of looking at it and caring is if you start watching that and you start relying on that, you run the risk of dragging that and your opinion of that to the next day and it affects what you do, not in the way that it's constructive, but potentially going, oh, I want to avoid this, this, this and this. And now you're in some weird loop. You know what I mean? The other thing about it too is that then you become, rather than something happening spontaneously because you're just going with your instincts and you're in the moment, you start copying yourself. Oh, that was really good. That was a really good moment. Oh, and you try to regenerate it. And then you're not in the moment anymore, which is what made it so good. And also what could have made it so bad. But you know that thing about like a painter, like when you paint, sometimes you go, okay, but those moments where you missed, led to the good moment. And it's like a painter. It's the same thing because I paint and you have your painting and you have an idea and you start painting and then you make a mistake. And then you have to go about how am I going to fix this? Well, you don't have a plan how to fix it because you didn't plan on making a mistake. So now you have to just figure that out. And it ultimately typically will end up being the favorite part of your painting. And so I think when you're creating, I think that's all part of the process. And so just, I love that you paint like, of course you're painting. You could be cooler. Everything you say is one thing cooler than the next. Wait, Michelle, you were- Oh, by the way, I have a fragrance called Dave. Dave. Come on. Dave. Dave should meet the David Palabar. Maybe they should be friends. David Palabar out of here. We're talking about Michelle's fragrance. What is wrong with you? Well, I do think before we move on, we should, Sean, I really think you should track down the gal in the front row and ask her how you can fix your mistake. You know? Okay. Now it's your performance. Stop putting people to bed. I totally will do that. Wait, Sean, can't you get in serious trouble? Like if you're on the stage and you break and you like start talking to the audience, isn't that sort of like a- During the curtain call, you're fired. He hit fuck it 10 years ago. He's been trying to get fired up Oscar for it. No, no, I noticed her dozing off for the first hour of the play while I'm in it. I understand. And then I waited till the end of the, at the bows when everybody's clapping. Oh. Wasn't in the middle of your performance. No, no, no. Was it the applause at Woker Up? I think it was the applause at Woker Up. That's funny. Sean, when I come next week, I'm going to bring a pillow. It sounds like that's what I need to do. Wait, Michelle, I was going to ask you, you know, you've worked with so many great directors over the years. I mean, some, just some of the all time greats. And were you, was that a time, was there a time when you were just director driven? Has that shifted? What do you look for when you're deciding now? Director is super important. I mean, initially you just want a job. And then once you start getting work, and then it's like, obviously just choosing the best of what is put in front of you. And hopefully you're able to get, you know, pickier and pickier as you go along. And then, and then, yeah, when you're in a position of where you have that kind of choice, it's a tough one. Like, is it script? Is it director? I mean, a lot of, I've seen really talented directors make, I would not, maybe masterpieces, but great films out of not so great scripts. And then I've seen maybe in the wrong hands, a really great script. Just so. Yeah, director is so important. In some ways, I think I would, if I had to choose, I would say, I would say director. And then I think the part is, you know, does it kind of just speak to you? I mean, for me, I can hear it. I can hear it. I can see it. I'm very visual. Does it matter if it's the lead or seven, six, seven, eight, nine down the call sheet? If it's a direct vehicle? Yeah, it doesn't matter. Six, seven, eight, nine. Well, listen, now you're getting in a honey-wagging territory. Down and out. You know, I recently have, especially like, you know, working on a Marvel movie or something, and you have a tent on the stage, and you're in a costume, you can't pee, you know, you can't go to the bathroom in unless you, and it's, you know, I've had to beg for a honey-wagon size room. I'm like, just, I just need a place to go sit and work on my stuff. It has a little tiny toilet, you know? Right, right, right. And couldn't have been happier. Right, right, right. Let me ask you something. This might be like, you don't, we don't have to go there if you don't want to, but having your, your breadth of work over literally decades, like amazing work one after another, have you seen a change for the better in either roles for women from the beginning of a career to now, or how being a woman in the business has changed at all? Have you experienced any of that yourself? Or have you just been like, no, it's been, I've just been sailing along? Before you even answer it, here's one thing that I just find incredibly impressive about you, and you don't have a lot of company in this. You have been able to have your talent as an actor overshine your, your extraordinary beauty from day one, which extends into, you know, I would imagine so many interesting roles now as one gets older, the roles get better. And since you never traded just on your looks, you, there's no, there's no, there's no end of relevance there. Like it was always about the talent with you. That's right. That was so delicately walked through and so impressive. I'm gonna, I'm gonna deep sweat. You're so close to trouble on either side. I know. He is teetering. I'm like, he is so teetering on the edge. Did I make it? Did I shut up in time? I did. So impressed. Wow. I was just more to the point. I was gonna say, I was just gonna say. How does it feel being an aging actress in Hollywood? Why don't you just say it, Sean? No, Michelle, I was gonna say that I think that you're even cooler than you are beautiful, which is saying a lot. That is the truth. Am I cool? I always say that. I'm such a nerd. You're very, very cool. I just like, like pick your scandal in the news, in the news over the last 40 years about this business that we're all in. And a lot of the times it has to do, not all the time, but a lot of it has time to do with women and, and how they've been mistreated. So bad. And so I didn't know if you could speak to that. But you try to get headlines for us. No. Oh, no. Can you get out of the dark water and get it in the shallow? Because turquoise. Yeah. We just got out of the deep end, Sean. And now there you go, diving back in. Wow. That was a lot to unpack, guys. So where do you want me to start? This is your time. How are the roles seem to you? Better or worse? Yeah. Well, you know what? They're better, but they're way better. There's so many. And mainly that's due to television and streamers and there's just the bad news is there's like a ridiculous amount of content out there and maybe too much. You don't know what to watch. A lot of it, not so good, maybe. But that's always been the case, right? Yeah. In our industry. And now, and so, and I feel like I just feel like so much of the good work, like the majority of the good work is being done by women. I mean, extraordinary work by women and on television. I agree. And so it's keeping us all working. And then I also feel like in terms of performers and entertainment, there has never been a bigger appreciation for women of my age. Yeah. Yeah. And that's super exciting. And so, yeah, I've seen. But that's what I kind of mean. It's like, I don't think that was the case there 20, 30, 40 years ago, 50 years ago. No, no. And you couldn't do TV and movies. Yeah. Right, right. That's a great point. Yeah. You couldn't do a commercial. God forbid you should sponsor a product or something. You will never work again in the movies. That's right. Like Michelle, like when you were making, let's say, like 88, was it 88 you made dangerous liaisons or, and you're making all the, and you're getting nominated. So you're nominated for an Academy Award and then you call your agent and you go, I'm going to do this TV series. They'd be like, what are you out of your mind? No, right. Exactly. Right. And not even that long ago. You know, I remember like about, oh, maybe 10, maybe it was at 10 years ago. I was talking about, I know I got offered some TV show and I'm like, well, you know, I don't know. It's kind of interesting. And they're like, no, you know, if you do TV. Really? It was what it was. Got to be something really special. There was Woody and Matthew McConaughey with true detective. I remember it was the big like, oh, wow, these guys are the change. The, yeah. I think, I think McConaughey had just won the Oscar, like five months earlier for Dallas Buyers Club, maybe. And that was like, what is going on? I really feel like that was, and before that, obviously Fincher doing house of cards on Netflix too, like just launching streaming as a place where filmmakers go. Yeah. You don't think it was me doing the sitcom, the Millers after I did Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Well, maybe it's, let me tell you something. I think that like it's really... This Bojack thing that I'm hearing is coming on soon, right? Yeah. I feel so responsible. When you say tons of bad stuff, I'm like, God, I'm so responsible. Oh, trust me. Trust me. We've all got our main colors. Yeah, trust me. I've done my share of bad stuff. So then what, so now, so now you're sitting here. You're kind of in the cat bird seat because you get to kind of pick and choose. You can do whatever you want. You can do TV and film, and you've got a new appreciation for it. And you've, as you said, you've kind of relieved the pressure of making yourself crazy. So when you look at, and I guess that being a grandparent, now you're... Yeah, domestic life is at its zenith. Is life work balance the most important? Is that the first decision? Yeah. Yeah, it is. And now, but it obviously wasn't when I committed to do all this work. I didn't know I was going to be a grandmother then. And I thought, well, it's my time now. I can go do what I want to do. Yeah. We'll be right back. And back to the show. How good are you and your husband at working out this balance? Because that's a tricky part too, because you're both incredibly busy. He's very busy as well, yeah. Yeah, well, for my sister, for Tracy. Yeah. Please, Sean. For my sister who might not know, your husband is David Kelly. Oh, okay. I got to say, he's been amazing. And I said to him when, again, all this work was coming up. I'm like, I'm like going to Montana in Texas for four minutes out of the year. I'm like, okay, I'm not doing this unless you're with me. And don't say you're gonna be with me and then come for like a couple weeks and then go away from it. No, no, you're with me. And he's been with me. And I couldn't have, I couldn't have, because he could, he can write anywhere. Right. But he's doing much more than right. He's directing, he's producing, he's doing different stuff. Sure, running. He doesn't direct. Well, by proxy at times, yes. Maybe, no. Well, he's pretty, he's pretty, I just worked with, I just worked with him for the, worked for him, with him. Yeah. For the first time really on Margot's Got Money Troubles. And I did, it was so fun. And I was very, I've never been really eager to work with him because I so cherish my marriage. And sometimes that's the kiss of death to work together and don't be on the cover of People Magazine together because you'll be divorced next year. Yeah. Oh my God. So, I mean, how many times have we seen that? Right. So, so it was nerve-wracking as it, as it approached. Yeah. Did you guys lay down any sort of like, listen, this is, this is how you could trigger me if you do this. And I know that I'm a trigger. If the door to my honey wagon is closed. Well, he sort of set a boundary early on when I was asking maybe too many questions. And, um. Do you really think she'd say that David? And he's like, you know, I think that's a good question for the director. Oh no. After we did that a couple of times I'm like, okay, I get it. I get it. And that was actually really good. But the truth is, this character is so well written. It's like, I was born to play this part. Really? She is like a real housewife of Fullerton wannabe. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. I grew up in Orange County. Yeah. I love, love, love, love her. Her name is Cheyenne and she works at Bloomingdale's in the cosmetics department. That's brilliant. And single mom, Elle, Sanny is my daughter. I didn't get it. No, no. You can move on. I just found out. Any, any who. So, um, it was, and also gosh, how often do you get to work in Los Angeles and stay home? Yeah. I don't know where you guys live. Will, I don't think you're- Are you shooting, you're not shooting. It's like you're going in Montana shooting. But I'm not shooting right now. I'm going to Montana. When you worked with David, it was in LA. It was in LA. Got it. Okay, great. So, um, Michelle, I, sometimes I do this and I ask people who have, as Sean said, such a wide sort of huge breadth of work, is there a role? Is there a, not a role, well, maybe a role, role and or film that you did of one of these great films? Is there one, do you have a favorite? And it's okay. I don't. I mean, I have, I have, I have a few that are of my favorites, but it's then it's bad if I don't mention some and then the director's going to be like, oh, you didn't mention mine. Let's assume that you love them all. Let's assume you love them all, but you will love one. You know, there's, there's the film that I actually love the most. And then there's the performance that maybe I don't hate. Right. Um, and then there's the, then there's the experience that I had the best time on. We all three, all three. Okay. All three of those. Experience would be, I think a toss up of married to the mob. And honestly, Margot's got money troubles. It was just ton of fun. And my favorite film, maybe Baker boys, maybe. Yeah. I got a Joe good. And that might be my favorite performance as well. Double as well. Might be so famous too. Do you think that would make a great sequel? Like where are these people? Yes. Right. Yes. That's a good idea. I can't get, I can't get Steve to do it. So. Well, just say David will take care of it. Can I ask you, can I just nerd out just for a second? Are we going back to Greece? Yeah. Just like a couple of questions because I'm never going to happen again in my life. Sorry, Michelle. This is where we take questions from fans. Go ahead. Go ahead. Call her. No, like, like what, what was it like? Like, what was it like knowing how big the first one was? And then were you like scared to do this, to be in the sequel? Like to be like, Oh my God, Greece was such a massive thing. No, come on. It was a big deal to me as a kid. No, it's a really good question. And of course I was terrified. Yeah, but you were so good in it. You were so good. Well, you know, but you know, look, it's John Travolta, Olivia Newton-John, and you know, and it was, you know, the first one and it was amazing and such a follow, following and so successful. And then you got me and this kid, Mack, they don't know who we are and, and they're taking out ads that say too hot. And I'm like, don't say that. What if they don't think I'm hot? Okay. Like don't tell them I'm hot. Anyway. So it was, it was, it was a, yeah. Was it fun to make? Yeah. Dancing and singing. I loved all that because I, I do love to dance and I love to sing, but I don't consider- John, stop sweating. I don't. We can see you sweating as you dance. We can see the towel just below the frame, John. God damn it. Pull it off, man. As soon as she mentioned Max, he just, it just exploded. By the way, you know, I wanted it for you and then I stayed for Maxwell. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, come on. A couple bars, a couple bars. It was really more about Max. Name a song. I know I have a lot of words. Opener. Give us the opener, Sean. Medley. No. What's the opener? What's the opening song? Schools out for, no, it was a school. It was about a school. Oh God, I can't remember. The Ramones, isn't it? That's right. That's right. Shaking it up. It was, um, I remember. I still have my bowling ball. No, you don't. I do. And the bowling ball case. We're gonna scorn tonight. That's it. We're gonna rock. We're gonna roll. We're gonna bop. We're gonna scorn. We're gonna scorn. We're gonna scorn. We're gonna scorn. We're gonna scorn. Oh God. You're gonna scorn. Yay. Well done. Now, Michelle, do you grab a little keepsake from every single job? Yeah. Um, not always. Not always. Sometimes there's not. That's from Baker Boys? You know, I don't. Oh, you gotta get that dress. I have some of the costumes from Married Some Mom. I don't always keep them because... What about a script? They just take up room. Do you keep the script? I keep my scripts. Okay, so you've got a stack of them, like on a wall somewhere? Do you have them, like, bound and stuff like that? No, they kind of got mildewy. Yeah. And, um, I've been trying to clean them. Do you archive stuff? No, I just... No. I just don't have time. It's all up here, right? Yeah. I like that. I like that you don't. I do want to follow up before we let you go because Jason obviously has... Has a time crunch. Yeah, he's a time crunch. He's a hard out man. Because he's got to give up. And Jason, by the way, I was meaning to say, I'm sorry, maybe are you going to a doctor to address your gastrointestinal issues? Yeah, well, you know, the back is so stiff when I get up in the morning. Sometimes the valve gets a little loose. I understand. Yeah. Damn it, man. Let's... Shell understands. Okay? We're all chopped a little. We're all chopped, baby. We're all chopped. We're all chopped. That's a good t-shirt. We're all chopped. We're all chopped. Great show. Great show, by the way. Yeah. Chopped. Wait, Will, you had a killer closer. Go ahead. No, not a killer closer, but I just want to ask you because we only... We briefly touched upon Scarface that became this huge, of course, iconic film. Ryan De Palma, you and Al Pacino. I didn't care for it. Oh, God! We have a rogue Italian critic in the back of the theater in the process of getting kicked out. Finally, a question about Scarface! So, you couldn't have imagined, I imagine, what the cultural impact that Scarface had and continues to have to this day. I mean, it's just phenomenal, right? We're talking about remaking it, right? Are you doing another thing? I think there... I did hear something about that. Was it a television show or was it a new movie? I forget, but that was a couple years ago, no? Yeah, yeah. Anyway. It comes up every once in a while. I think Universal and Anton Kofuq were made by Hunter. I didn't have any idea it would become sort of a cultural phenomenon in the way that it... And in the way that it did, too. It became this sort of cult kind of following. So, and that was... Boy, that was really intense for me. I think... I want to say the shooting went on for six months. It went over like a couple of months, and I was playing a Coke addict, so I was not eating. Oh, yeah. And I kept getting skinnier and skinnier, and... Jason, anything? The crew were bringing me bagels and kind of... We're going to have to reshoot about 20 pages. Will you please eat something? Well, and then the scene at the end where she's in the restaurant and kind of strung out and at her worst kept getting pushed and pushed and pushed, and that was the scene where I really wanted to look my worst. Anyway, and it was also very... Other than Mary Elizabeth, Master Antonio, we were the only women, and it was like guys, you know? And gangster guys, and Machismo, and they were all kind of a little bit in character all the time. Brian De Palma, right? So, and Brian, yeah. And I was 20... I was so young. I mean, again, the last credit... You were 20 years old? I was 23. I think the last credit I had was Grease 2. Wow. And I just didn't have a lot of experience under my belt, and I was terrified. Every night, I was terrified. A lot of that was in Florida, right? Let's see. A lot of it was in LA. Oh, yeah. Most of it was in LA on stage, and we did some Florida location stuff. But terrified because of the newness of your career? I didn't feel worthy. I didn't feel like I had the chops. I didn't have any experience behind me. I had zero confidence. Yeah. And Al will admit this. He didn't really want me for the part, and I auditioned, I think, for a couple of months for it, and I knew he didn't want me going into it. Wow, really? And one of my favorite stories is when I actually made him bleed during my screen test. How so? Wait, how so? I think... Don't you want to just end there? No. No, what a story. Good cliffhanger. God damn it. Okay, so I'll try to make it brief. So I'm having to audition. First of all, I come in, I do a great reading for Brian De Palma and the casting director, and I was like, it just happened to be good. Then they want to bring me back to meet Al. And anyway, over the course of two months, I just get worse and worse and worse because I'm just afraid. Yeah, right. And by the end, I'm bad. And I don't blame him. He's just like, I'm bad. And Brian finally comes to me and says, you know, doll, it's just not going to work out. I'm like, I know, man, I'm sorry. Because Brian really wanted me. So what's wrong with the audition process? Is it just the stakes get so high you can't do good? Yeah, as disappointed, well, you know that fear is the worst, is an act of enemy. It's just completely undermines you. So as much as disappointed as I was, I was so happy to be done with it. So like, at least a month goes by and I get a call. They want to bring me into screen test. I'm like, oh. So I show up and I don't even give a shit because I know I'm not getting this part. Sure. Yeah. That's when you get them. That's a sexy indifference. So show up. It was my best work of the film. Of course. And it's that restaurant scene where I explode at the end and I swipe the table of the dishes and glasses break the dishes break. Cut. There's blood everywhere. Oh, and they all run over to me to see where I've cut myself. Yeah, your hand. So I didn't cut me. I cut Al. Wow. Wow. I thought, well, there goes that part. And he's just staring at you. Anyway, actually, I think that was the day he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Your womb. I think, yeah, she's not bad. So. Charlie. Yeah. And so, wait, wow. So was it, did you cut him bad? And. I cut his, I think I cut him in the finger or something. Wow. And you went for it. You went for it. That's why, yeah, I love that. I love that. Wow. There's the lesson. Yeah, there's the lesson. You got to give a little less shit. Yeah. And if I went for it more, people wouldn't fall asleep in the front row. Exactly. Exactly. We're just breaking some glass, you know, make them say hello to your little friend. Make sure the front roads bleed and Shawnee, come on. Yeah. Or you show up, you know, to do your performance, just that's your mantra. I don't give shit. I'll give you. I'll give you. Don't worry. You watch the. Cut him. I'll cut him. He's chewing. Yeah. Michelle, thank you. We have taken up again way too much of your time. And Jason is late for his meeting. Thanks guys. It's really fun. Michelle, what a pleasure. Thank you so much for doing this. Huge pleasure for me too. You're the greatest. It's such a thrill. Such an honor. Truly. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Michelle. Thank you. Have a great rest of the day. Okay. Till I say again. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. about how she's such a great performer. She's such a great actress. That that is the thing that shines through. Yeah, you always went for the acting and the beauty was just sort of just a great little sidecar as opposed to there are some actors, male and female, that people do go to see like, oh, look, I want my handsome movie star, you know? And I just wanna, yeah. You know, and then you leave. And it's like, you know, there was no performance stays with you, but you like the eye candy. She's just like, she's an incredible actor. Do you think that was okay that I brought up Grease II so much? Oh, we'll cut that out. Yeah. All of you. By what? By what? By what? By what? By what? By what? By what? By what measures you mean okay? Like it was embarrassing. Like, like, like, no, I know, like I couldn't tell you. I mean, embarrassing for you and it was awkward for her. Yeah, she was clowning you the whole time. Yeah. Yeah, that movie was so huge to me as a kid. No, you wouldn't need more. We don't need more. No, I'm actually jealous. I never saw that one. I saw the first Grease seven times in a row. Just sitting in my theater chair with my sister out in the valley. This was, what, we were probably 11, 12, something like that. When we like shared a bag, what was going on? The only reason we left is cause the lighter ran in a butane. So we're like, let's get the fuck out of here. This is out in the West Valley in the early 80s. And it was cheap. Stuff was cheap. So yeah, yeah. There's no way, there's no other reason you would stay and watch it seven times in a row. Oh, the theater's cool. You don't want to be sweating while you're tweaking out there in the valley. It's like, like John and Olivia just kind of serenade you while you just. Watch it again. Watch it again. Watch it again. That is hilarious. Oh, and you watched it that many times before you said. Oh, God. Well, I listened to it hard. Yeah, before I turned to my sister and I said. It's like somebody grabbed the wheel of a bus. Like somebody in a package reached up and grabbed the wheel. My stuff. What, say goodbye? Yeah. Wait, wait, Sean, if you were to say bye in a Greece type of song, here we go, how is that? 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