Episode 453 | THE MAL-OFF

This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. I'm all I think of this episode. We just we just we get a much needed break. Yeah. And just I saw right over there. So baby, what's up? How you feeling? I feel amazing. You look amazing. Thank you so much. It's a different glow to me. It is. I've been inspired. Yeah. I thought it was the light. No, it's not. It's me. No, you didn't change the color on that light. But mine. Mm-mm. So I mean, it's natural. God given. No, I see you, baby. Look good. Yeah. You know, thank you. Rap God given. Yeah. Rap God given. How y'all feeling, man? How was your weekend? It was good. Did y'all watch the Super Bowl? Most boring Super Bowl all time? Don't do that. See, that's the problem. People can't say it's the most boring because then if it's a game with both teams score 40 points and y'all like, yo, nobody plays defense and because it's a defensive Super Bowl, people call it boring. No, I like Super Bowls when everyone scores 40 points. Yeah. That's like it's great. I don't know what you're talking about. I love that shit. That was a good game. It was with 29 13 final score. We can start there. That score doesn't reflect the ass-whooping that that happened to the New England Patriots. Yeah, it was it was it was an ass-whooping. Like if you saw that score and didn't see the game, you would think like, OK, whatever. That was a royal ass-whooping. I feel like if it was five quarters, though, the Patriots don't want. If it was five quarters, what gave you that idea? Even to make me just started, you know, me started realizing towards the end of the fourth, he was like, all right, and then you start warming up at the end of the game. Jitters went away. Just it's a little more tense. The game, even though the NFL game is already fast, though, most players will say, you know, the Super Bowl, the game seems to be faster. You know what I'm saying? Because it's so much on the line. Players are more intense. Everybody's leaving on the field. Nobody cares about next week. No, I hear you. There's definitely Super Bowl jitters. But when you're left tackle and left guard, decide not to show up to the game. Oh, my God. I don't care how nervous or not nervous. You know, offensive line, you have to. The Patriots offensive line. Y'all could have stayed on the bus with that. I don't. Y'all didn't give Drake made a chance back there to do anything. Are you ready? How many times you got set? Every every time. Ten, something like that. Every time they like the ball, they were in his face. Oh, man. But shout outs to the Seattle Seahawks, though, for winning the Super Bowl. Yeah. And now I made a good point. Sorry to cut you off there. The United made a good point with their defense. They had like the least nationally syndicated games. Myself included. I don't think the world knew how good Seattle's defense was. No, I mean, but people that watched the NFL, you know, they knew exactly how this was the number two offense in the league versus the number one defense. So the number one defense showed up on the biggest night. They did. Listen, man, that I was arguing my pops before that this doesn't even compare to the Richard Sherman years, Legion of Doom, this and that. I don't know, man, might be the best defense performance I've ever seen in Super Bowl history. That's up there was that's like Ravens type shit. It like I don't know. Was a Patriots just that bad? Listen, that's what I'm saying. I don't want to take nothing away from the Seahawks defense, right, because obviously they're number one defense for a reason. But the Patriots offensive line, man, I. And then Vrables airing shit out with nine minutes left in the fourth. Like it was a terribly coached game. No half time adjustments. I was like, you know what Vrables going to get in his Belichick bag? They'll be all right. They came out same game plan. Yeah, I thought they were going to sneak Brady and Drake Maze uniform at halftime because they kind of built the same. You know what I'm saying? No, they're not. They built the same. You know, if you put the Brady in the jersey, keep the helmet on. You wouldn't know that's that's Brady out there. Once you start throwing at you down the field, you can be like, I don't know. Something looks something looks different. Yeah, quarterback. The Seahawks played so fucking good. I was like, maybe the punters should get MVP. Yeah, it was bad, man. It was bad from start to finish. But shout out to the New England Patriots for getting there. I think Drake made the Patriots will be back. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. I like still like them. I still like Drake may. I think they'll make some adjustments this season. But take nothing away from Seattle Seahawks. They came to do what they needed to do. They took care of business. Shout out to the 12s. Um, yeah, man. And, you know, it was it was a good game. I enjoyed it. I thought I thought that the Patriots had a chance when it was still like 22. When they when they when they caught that that, uh, that sack that turned into a pick six. Yeah, that was that was that's when, you know, it was over at that point. But shout out to Seattle Seahawks on redeeming redemption. This was their redemption super bowl against the Patriots. Well, I mean, the Patriots screwed themselves when Malcolm Butler showed up before the game to ring the bell. Yeah, like that pissed off the whole like Pacific Coast. Yeah. Why would you do that? Malcolm Butler. And I felt like a home game for the Seahawks. Oh, yeah. It was proximity being in San Francisco to Seattle. So they felt like they was at home. Yeah. Um, but I mean, it was a very boring super bowl, but I still I still enjoyed the game. Yeah. Still had moments. But I still had a still had a good time watching the game. Uh, watched it with a few of my friends. We went to a zero bond. Okay. Oh, okay. It was a zero bond watching the game. It was cool. Cool little vibe. So I really laid it out. They really had the whole super bowl vibe in there. It was cool. It was cool night. Excuse me. Yeah. I was at the crib. We have zero bonds. That's it. Yo. Please. No. No bonds at all. Zero bonds. Same. Zero bonds too. You'll say it's still the same. It's a zero bond. But speaking of people showing up, Green Day did what they were supposed to do. Absolutely. They did their job opening up the Super Bowl. It's always good to see like some of my favorite like I love Green Day. TRL bands. Green Day came out. It was just like, oh man, this is like nostalgia. Nostalgia. Yeah. Yeah. If you don't like Green Day, you're like the type of people that like hate force gump or like just, just you got to love Green Day. Nobody classic hates Green Day. I'm sure there's someone out there. Hates Green Day. If you hate Green Day, I don't want to be around the person. You just hate life. Like Green Day is just the energy is just like fun. It's like, you know, let's just have a good time. Like nobody's trying to be too cool. It's a Green Day. You got to have a good time and rock out the Green Day. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. And Coco Jones did amazing as well. I like the beginning of. Shout out to Coco Jones, paid homage to the great late Whitney Houston. Coco Davis, she had to do. You know, you know how we feel about Coco. Like Coco was one of them. I know after the second quarter hit, hit zero, zero, zero. I know I know you turn to the turning point. Make America great again. Half time show. So, Demaris, do you want to cover the bad bunny thing with me? Because I think we were the only ones that watched. And we can get to Kid Rock, Bob with the bar, the bang, the bang. I'm sure I'm sure Kid Rock did his thing as well. You think you think I tuned in to say half time show? You think that's what I did? They're all American. I was like, yo, switch it over. Kid Rock. Switch it over. Kid Rock. You thought that's what I yelled out of half time? No, I promise you, I did not. I did not watch it. Well, yes, for those that don't know for some reason, bad bunny performed. And it's so odd that the last two years have just like divided. It's a fucking halftime show. It's supposed to be for entertainment. Yeah. Why is this dividing the world? I didn't understand a fucking word he said either, but I like the set design and it was a great performance. It was like four minutes of my life. It really wasn't. Well, game changing before we before the state of the world, the way they're trying to do from both sides. But I enjoyed the bad bunny performance as someone that doesn't typically listen to his music very often. I thought he covered all basis for people that don't listen to music. Like it was entertaining to watch the set design was incredible. I like the telephone pole shit. And that's really as much as I have on it. Like it was cool. Just cool. And it was a great performance. Oh, don't try to flip now. I'm going to see you sound in real white right now. I don't know. You know, I'd be the white person that never listened to bad bunny and now thinks he's the greatest artist of all time. Should be that white person and lie to you. I like this. I like should I be that guy? Should I be on like honestly? Yesterday, I didn't now go, you know what? He's my favorite pop star of all time. Yeah, no, no, no. Nobody's the coolest crazy. It was cool. That's what you said. It was. OK. Why are you putting negative to cool? Nobody's nobody's going to. All right. I thought it was incredible set design. It was agreed. And I'm sure for the people that really listen to his music and love his music, which is a huge group of people, it was even better. But I was focused on the bushes moving and shit. I thought that was whoever put the set together is incredible. I love the deli shit. Found a way to shout out the bushes. I love the bull dick. You just found a way to shout out the bushes. I really like when they were cutting sugar cane. That's what you want me to say, huh? Let me say this. I do understand how some people would be kind of upset at bad performing. Does you see to me that's weird? No, I do understand it because it's like, you know, if they this is quote unquote, you know, American football. Some people are a lot of the players they interviewed before the game. Never heard of bad bunny. Never heard of his music. But we understand why bad bunny was hired. It's it's to get, you know, the people to tune in around the world. It's the Latin one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Latin artists in the world, which means a lot of people from other Latin countries will tune into the halftime show. It's all about ratings. It's all about getting people to watch the halftime show. Bad Bunny is an incredible artist. You know, there's nothing is an incredible performer. We know all of these things about bad bunny. Me personally, I loved it. But again, I'm from the Bronx. I'm Puerto Rican. It's part of who I am. Like, you know, I enjoyed it. I enjoy bad bunny. I understand music. I may not understand what he's saying, but the music is I understand the emotion of feeling the behind his music. So I was not mad at bad bunny. But to be fair, I do understand how some people that, you know, watch football and don't know who bad bunny is or people that was at the Super Bowl and don't know who bad bunny is. I could understand how they was like, damn, though, we don't even know what he's saying. We've never heard of him, never heard his music. I can understand you can't please everybody, but we know that the halftime show is about getting viewership, getting the people to tune in. It's all about getting the money for the sponsorships and all of that. And who else to do it other than which I haven't seen the numbers. But I'm pretty sure it's probably the most. It is the most. Super Bowl of Artists. It has to be. I mean, it's with the American football. I know you're not saying that. And I see no, you're saying that. I'm this bad bunny. These this is the list of people that are not you started from America. B. Hey, I told you he was going to do my shit. He started with my shit. That's my man. He was listening to the show. Yo, when I found out that that song was about being a whore, I was like, yo, that's why that shit hit. That's why I touch your soul. Right. That's why I touch yours too. Nigga, listen, we hear it. OK, cool. I'm not. This is not an attack, baby. D. OK. This is me recognizing. It's about having. It's like I'm not. I mean, why I got so many girlfriends. It's like, I got a lot of them. I see. I got a lot of them. I can't. Yeah. Don't listen to listen to your home girl. I'm going to break your heart. Listen to your home. Yeah. So I understand. But I do understand. That's also funny why most of those people were like, he doesn't speak English. We want to hear it. But then also say he talks about sex. So he shouldn't be there. Yeah. I mean, listen, man, you can't. Which one is it? You do not understand him or you understand that he's talking about sex? Is it Uchiwally? Wally was one Mike. I don't get it. I understand. But I understand how some people, you know, die hard football fans that guy know about. I get how. OK, but not American Super Bowl halftime performers, Phil Collins and Rick Henglasey as you two. Shania Twain staying English, though. OK, but you said it's American football. You wanted an American there. OK, well, at least people in the audience because it was like watch those that didn't know Shakira also sings in in English as well. Sometimes the weekend. And sometimes anytime they start talking in that that Scarborough Toronto slang, I don't know what the fuck they be talking about. It's still English. My thing is this is this is my thing. So this is that that one criticism I will take. Not that bad, but he shouldn't have performed. But when I was watching it, when I was watching it with my father, the one thing he said was, hey, I would really like if they had subtitles up here. And I can understand people who have that complaint that they wanted. They would have wanted subtitles for what to translate what he was saying. I feel like that was a misproductions part. But I don't know. I guess I'd have to like watch that on YouTube or something just to see if that translate. I've never read subtitles to a song before like a movie I have. That would be hard to keep up, I feel like. And like the way especially I'm sure he speaks in a dialect that may not translate the same way to English with what he's doing. So like he speaks Puerto Rican slang. Yeah, so it would be so tough to. But it would have helped. They could have tried. Like even if you put out like Vibes cartel lyrics, it'd be very confusing to try to translate them into English. And that is broken English. Yeah, so I just don't know if I hear them, but I don't know if people would keep up with the shit. I know I wouldn't be able to. I had a ball, but I also have to realize because I'm just sitting there. Like when I was talking to my friends who don't live in New York City, I'm like, how are you all not excited about Benito? And then I remember that I live in New York City. So I hear bad bunny without even playing him on my phone. Like if you outside, you're going to hear bad bunny. And a lot of people just don't. Yeah, people don't listen to listen. We get it because we where we from, you know, where I grew up. I mean, I understand it as part of my culture, but I can also understand being fair on the other side. People from the south, people from the West Coast, you know, people from, you know, up way up. No, they don't. They just that's just not their thing. They don't know about bad bunny like that. So I understand it. People from the Midwest. I understand that that's not part of they don't listen. They never heard a bad bunny song as much as we do, because we go out and move around in New York. Some of these songs, even though we don't know what he's saying, we know the song. That's our shit. You know what I'm saying? So but I understand how some people were like, damn, can we get something that we can understand so we can feel like we're included and we're a part of it. But again, we understand what the Super Bowl halftime show is about. It's not so much about the people that's at the game. It's most about the people tuning in. And but even the people at the game, I mean, obviously this year they were with Erica Kirk, but it's not the good old boys going to the Super Bowl. Like you have to have a lot of money. It's a lot of connections. Like it's not like the good old Americans that are at the roll tide games that are going to the Super Bowl. Like that that's not really the crowd. And like even so, who do you think is at the full game? Rich people. It's not all just rich people, but a lot of rich people. Yeah. You think it was a lot of Puerto Rican. I don't think all Puerto Ricans are poor. No, I don't. Yeah, I'm sure there were. I'm sure a lot of Puerto Ricans went because of a bad money. But I mean, even that you say that, though, but you isolate a whole huge demographic of NFL fans when you have the who there in 2010. Yeah. Like so I hear what you're saying, but that happens. That's going to happen no matter what, because football is so popular. Listen, if Real Madrid was in the championship, I mean, for their Premier League, that money should do the coins. Usher came out and performed. We don't think people over there like, who the fuck is this? It would be the same thing. We know I should be a strange choice for the real Madrid. Some people feel like bad money was a strange choice for the Super Bowl. That's all I'm saying. And no matter where you from in the world, if you have an artist is not performing in your language. Of the country, like people are you can understand how people are like, yo, fam, we don't even understand what this artist is saying. Again, I loved it because that's part of my culture. So you got me there. I love I think bad money is amazing. I think is even if you don't understand what he's saying, just looking at their performance and then understanding the attention to detail, you know, having, you know, the lady who's one of her last. She's one of the last like Puerto Rican owned speak easy or like bars and I think in the city. He had her there. Yeah, had her address on it. This is the time with the Grammy. You know how many people are going to be there? Yeah, that's just pull up to be like, yo, she was at it. Like because that's what it's about for me. It's about the attention to detail. And I think that that's what bad bunny and his team did. They paid attention to every detail is very intentional. I thought the performance was dope. And like how when we were when we were in our group chat and was joking around and was like, look at bad bunny showing a nuclear family that the Republicans like claim to live in, but Puerto Ricans really do or that Spanish people really do. And it's like, I wasn't really joking. You weren't joking. That's like that's that's like that's. I love how he showcased their culture of like family, like the little boy laying on the chairs, yo, go to bed, get up. Like that's you know what I'm saying? Like that's that culture. And I thought that that was so beautiful. The couple that really got married. I actually got married was fire. That was that was amazing. And also, I don't know why people don't know how to just enjoy music. They don't have you don't have to understand what's being said. You can just enjoy the feel of the music. Enjoy the performance. Like I don't know. I I I've never known what bad. A lot of people don't have rhythm, no. A lot of people don't have soul. I do not only care about lyrics, especially for music like that. I care about the I want to dance. I will make a dance in music. I will say Spanish music will get to that. It is actually so because white people. We we bop our head to the lyrics, not the beat. That's like the difference besides the one in the three and the two and the four. We try to dance to the to the cadence of the lyrics. That's why we'd be offbeat sometimes, because a different pocket. Spanish music does make it easier without rhythm to like you know, bop your head. You would look crazy dancing to anything bad bunny is playing. You don't think I've been in the hooker spot? Dancing looking crazy. Looking like he's about to rob. I used to I used to I used to cut a rug and melody. Cut a rug. And you shot the get up in this. I'm a clap out of the way. IP IP IP IP IP and selfie. So cheese. So can rock. Now that's more you're right there. That's more your speed. You should have been watching to the point USA. I can't just stand up. No, no, no, no, no, no. See that ain't that ain't that ain't what Benito was doing last night. No. And now I see why you guys had a reaction when I said it was cool. So I agree with everything you guys said down to the detail. I thought it was amazing in every part of of that. It's just not music I listen to often. That's that's really I'm just saying I understand both sides. Like I said, if if if us if us you take his ass to Spain for their championship soccer game, it's going to be a lot of people that's like, Oh, who who is this fan? Because we in America. So we feel like everybody's supposed to know our stars and fucking right. No, they don't. I promise I promise you they don't. Some of our biggest athletes, you go to London right now, like, you know, Kevin Durant, they're like, no, who's that? You show people I'm talking about that. Well, I'm telling you they don't. London. I'm telling you they do not. Bro, Kevin Durant is in London. A lot of people do not. I'm I promise you they would know who he is. Like if you had to just a Nike ad and like no jersey or nothing with Katie, just like your who's that? A lot of people from the UK would not know that. I can't confirm this, but I feel like Katie's probably had an ad in London before. Maybe 10 to 15 times. The NBA has games in London now. So there's a there's people that follow. I'm talking about in general. I think places in Europe. I think London is is so much like America. If I showed you a picture of the biggest soccer player in the world right now, you wouldn't even know who he was. You couldn't name him. He's dating Tiana Trump. You can't name him. You couldn't name him. You couldn't. So that's what I'm saying. The brain on where you from in the world. I understand how people will feel away. Like, listen, we not. This is not really our culture. Yes, we have a huge Puerto Rican culture in New York City. OK, but you know, the other cities, but still, it's a lot of people that they don't know nothing about bad, but never heard them before. But a lot of Americans love soccer. Like, don't use me. I shouldn't be the rule to not knowing the biggest football soccer player. Like, there's plenty of people in America that are like diehard. For sure. For sure. And I'm sure there's a lot of diehard NBA fans in in London. I don't know about diehard. So and basketball got so but basketball got so international. Like, even if you look at the league now, like they gentrified the fuck out of us. I feel like globally it's different with basketball now. It's nice. It's still not. They're still trying to push this growing, but it's still not what you think it is. I'm happy that the we always talk about America being such a huge like melting pot in what America. Because I see where you're going. I like that. I like that segue. I'm not segue. And I was still talking about the Super Bowl. I'm sorry. I was talking about. Yes, a melting pot. And I'm happy that a large percentage of America got to see their star on. Yeah, on the screen. Because a large percentage of America got to see their star. Yes, there's a lot of Hispanic speaking people in our country. A lot of them like a huge percentage of America. So it's not just like, oh, they're trying to get people from other. All Mexicans love that bunny just because they all. Yeah. That's a little. But I understand what you're saying. A lot of people do love that. Yeah, all right. I'm trying to make a progressive point and actually being racist. No, it wasn't. It wasn't racist. Bad Bunny is the biggest Spanish speaking star in America. He's one of the biggest stars in America. Period. OK, of course. That's fine. But when you're talking about a regular Americans might not know, maybe not knowing who he is, the Americans, where their first their first language is Spanish, they know who the fuck Bad Bunny is. He is their star. That's like, even if you don't like Beyonce, Beyonce is still your star. Like it's not you can't escape it. Y'all stepped up my point for no reason. What was I about to say? Like, I was just going to say, we're back sponsored by Boost Mobile. I'm going to talk to some data. So I was about to say baby, I didn't mean to cut you off. It's fine. But overall, shout out to Bad Bunny again. The production, attention to detail, everything was spot on again. But we knew that Bad Bunny is one of the greatest performers that we have. So we knew that he was going to do what he was supposed to do. Well, I did see in English that Chris Brown commented in English because he could have gave y'all. He could have. Yeah, he could have gave y'all that in Spanish. He's a very talented guy. Sure, he could 100 Google translate somehow. Absolutely. And I'm sure Chris Brown has been around enough Spanish women that he can pick up on on a few words. You get a pass this phone to one of them. Like, you'll listen to this one next to send that out for me. He did. He did post that looks like y'all needed me and in so many words. All right. Can I say this? How we know he was talking about the Super Bowl show? We don't know. We can only. The name of his tour was the Chris Brown Bowl. That's the only thing that I'm just crazy. Bowl to be fair. I get it. I understand how people was like, oh, that's crazy. I he he throwing shots at, you know, Bad Bunny's saying I see y'all needed me. Like Bad Bunny's performance was wack or whatever. You doing the bachata right now. This is dancing. I'm just saying, how do we know? That he was talking about the Super Bowl halftime show. How do we know that? We don't know anything, but we're on this podcast and we assume all day, every day, any other day. So we just like kicking the shits. I'm not talking matter of fact. Well, of course not. All right, because I was in. We never talked matter of fact. We on this market. Me. Oh, give me 10 more minutes. I'm going to matter of fact. We in 10 minutes. Oh, Lord, you keep. We go start your car now. We go right now. We go right now. A few more topics. And then I'm going to talk matter of fact. I'm going to hit the seat. Like I can I can safely assume in these walls that Chris Brown posting that right after the Super Bowl halftime show. I didn't see. I saw that. I don't even think they got halfway through the third quarter. OK. To do the breezy ball. The timing. Yeah. Do the breezy ball. OK. Put your case. Which we can safely assume. Detective Glass is on. Put your case together. I was I was at MetLife. He did it in a stadium where one could do a halftime. There's been a halftime show there. One has played football. They would put it. And you called it breezy ball. Yeah. Because we can safely assume you have been snubbed for doing so. And you wanted to prove to the world that's why you do four hour shows a night for three hundred and sixty five days straight, right, like a psychopath at the highest level of singing and dancing. Then Bad Bunny performs and then you tweet out Instagram out whatever the fuck it was. Looks like y'all needed me. I don't I don't think it's. Hmm. You think maybe it was a sub to some of his like inner family. Again, man. And you know, I'm just mad. He didn't get together. Good. I'm mad. He didn't say on Peru after that's like the only thing I thought. You put together a great case. The timing of it. Everything that Chris has done in the last year with his own, you know, massive tour and we speak to it every year. We say because we're probably going to throw some names in that right after we finished this about who we think is next. Hmm. Um, he's one of the ones that we say easily could do a super boy. How to have basically has done his own time show on this tour. I can say after going to the tour, not that I had doubts or anything, but it was just like, yeah, he could. He could do that easily. It would be the easiest production set up of all time. He was flying around. That's literally why I just again, the timing of it. The time of it. It was corny. Yeah, it was a little it was fucking corny. Like he didn't have you. They Christian, we love you, but you didn't have to do it like that. You didn't have to take him down bad bunny for some shit. Like he put on a good performance. Yes, great performance. Like looks like y'all need in me a shade. Right. That's what they girls say to that shade. Nobody needed him. It was a great performance. Like I don't. Great. I'm with you. It was a great performance. I enjoyed it. If it was trash, I could like. Actively support Chris Brown in that. Like you keep snubbing me for this bullshit. I could see if it was bad, but it was great. So I don't it was unnecessary to me. Unnecessary is the word. That's the word I like. I like that word. I want to start using the correct words. It was unnecessary. Like that's all. If it was if it was how he felt, we can't be mad at how Chris Brown feels. But it was just unnecessary. It was unnecessary. You could say that in the crib. Like, oh, they needed me. Like I was sitting that out. Now we in your business. You put in a right. You wanted us to talk about it. You wanted to see what you see how you felt. You know, obviously Chris is in a is a superstar, amazing performer and will kill the half time show if he's ever given opportunity to perform. We know that. But let's not take away from bad bunnies moment. Yeah, I think that's where the unnecessary part comes in. We kind of take away from his moment. You kind of diminish his moment and kind of throw shade on his moment. Again, unnecessary. I just I just thought that was a little unnecessary from Chris. No, I agree. And I mean, if he's petty and ends up getting it next year, he should do the whole show in Spanish. Just just to show the level show the level. You want to really turn the country on his ear? You won't next year in Spanish. El Breezy Bowl. El Breezy Bowl. El Chili Bowl. All right. Bothered by Chili's. El Chipotle Bowl. El Chili Bowl. Get the fuck. Y'all are so fucking annoying. Not breezy. It's not breezy. It's chili. This country is going to shit. How do you say I say, yo, in Spanish? How do you say I say, yo, in Spanish? How do you say, yo? I'm asking how you said. How do I say, yo? Well, you're Puerto Rican. Yo. No, I said, yo. I said, yo. Yeah. Eat through. I don't know. Now sing it in the Chris Brown case. It's a yo. Oh, Jesus. Oh, my God. Oh, man. That's funny as fuck. We will get the commercial ready for the Chili Bowl. Baby, do you not ready for the Chili Bowl? I'm not. I'm not. Isn't there already like the toastie this bowl with some shit? No, but chili, you know, breezy, chili. But you need no bean chili dip. Before we get into the commercials, I do want to salute the loyal King 21 savage doing what he needed to do, just trying to get home to his queen. I know what it's like when you moved in a room for the vultures and you just trying to stay faithful and get back to your queen. Who was 21? Sometimes you just got to lean up against the wall when the camera's coming. What? He was walking out with Kendall Jenner and like a bunch of people. He didn't look suspicious. But he moved. He wanted to make sure the camera was moving. He was not with that girl. What can he hug in the wall? That's how Isaiah walked past the bulls when the bulls beat the pistons. It's that same little. He walked past Mike just like that. People say that, but they don't realize that he's smoking and he's really just trying to hide the weed. He has. I give him the credit. Let's give him the faithful king credit, but he's really just trying to hide what he's smoking. Yeah. But with that said, good, good, man. And I saw your queen post a sub as well in a good way. My queen was my queen. His queen. When he made it home faithfully back to. Yeah, come on. That's 21 Savage. He never going to do that. He was at the slug walk. Yeah, nobody's more faithful than 21. He's a pretty loyal guy. If you do like if you go through his track record. Yeah. 21 Savage. Don't try to pay him like that. He's a pretty loyal person. Man, don't try to pay him like that. Come on, man. Don't do 21 like that. Not super both Sunday. Don't do that. No, warrior. Now. Maul, that appears to be the iPhone 16. It is. That's nasty, man. It is. Come on. Do you love yourself? I do. 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I'm taking it to the Super Bowl. I'm taking it to the Super Bowl. When they go low, we go to the ball. I was good. When they go low, we go to the ball. We don't take Door Dash to the ball. Absolutely. I commend Door Dash Giggle in the shit in the background. I commend Door Dash for letting that fly too. Yeah, they leaned into it. They know because even if that was scripted, not scripted, like even the way they shot it, where it looks like it wasn't scripted and they everyone was laughing, they smoked that commercial. I'm pretty sure a lot of that was ad lib. I'm pretty sure 50 ad lib, a lot of that. You can't. They didn't write that four years or no, that was 50 months. The scheme at the end with the months to hear that's old 50. Yeah, like to me, that's that's guess who's back era of level metaphor. That's back when 50 could rap rap. Yeah. For those that haven't seen it. It's 50 cents. I talked about Door Dash and somehow twist that into how many months versus years. And it just happens to add up to exactly what Puff was sentenced to. But who's counting? Mm hmm. I like it. Fuck it. Take it to the ball 50. Take it to the ball. Don't get that door dash bag. Be petty on the Super Bowl stage. It is what it is. This is who he is. Yeah, I like it. I want to buy Door Dash, though, because I order Wingstop. OK, you're in it. I did order it in the middle. It's like I ordered it after kickoff. It never came. Yeah. Yo, baby, what is I was that is a fucking fucking me because I was supposed to be cooking and then like made cook. I just got lazy as fuck. And I was like, man, I'm about to order some wings. And I just it didn't make me like three hours before kickoff. I was going to say in January. You got to make that decision January 5th. Yeah, you're supposed to know what you were doing on Super Bowl Sunday. Yeah, you can't call it during the game. That was the sickest audible in the world. You just know I know my beer came. No, I ordered beer through Door Dash. My blue moons came, but my wings never came. Wings never got this. They probably were sold out. I saw it. There was like a thousand like. Liberty drivers outside. Yeah, I'm about to say they probably were sold. They probably had no more wings. That's why they probably couldn't send it to you. But then they should just cancel my order. Why I keep saying y'all preparing it. They they was trying to send home me to the store to get a bag of wingedings. You know, saying wingedings were sold out. They can't even get enough to supermarket. They had some turkey legs. They ordered some turkey leg. Turkey legs would have showed up for show. Some big ass turkey legs. But they were the show right up. They have six flags. They got a whole freezer of turkey legs. Nobody want that on Super Bowl Sunday. We need turkey legs on Super Bowl Sunday. I'm just saying. Have you smothered them bitches with some gravy? I love turkey wings, especially some other Sunday is give it to me. Yeah, but just order a big ass like medieval times. Turkey leg on the Super Bowl. Then you're watching Turning Point for sure. Yeah. Why did you put Lilo and Stitch? There was that like a message my son. And I mean, some camera time. You don't have to call him out. He's shy. OK. Is this a voodoo doll? No, it's not a voodoo doll. I can't tell sometimes baby is Haitian and not. So I don't know. I am not I'm not Haitian. I don't practice Haitian tendency. What the fuck does that even mean? That's racist. That is. Yeah. I have Haitian tendencies. What does that mean? I think you're I think you're strong. I think you're strongest qualities. What's your resilience? You're resilient. I hate white people. How much you hate the French? I don't know. I'm such resilient people. They are. You're resilient. Maybe they over through the French. Your son fell. I see. I see. Yeah. See, you see, you know, history Haiti. You don't know the history of Haiti. Like, get the fuck. See, I can't even see. I can't even you not history. But I need to tell baby. You're resilient. It's crazy. Oh, man. All right. Listen, man. Yeah, I know I love y'all. So we're going to have this moment. I'm going to give each other the space to speak. You're not going to over talk. Baby D, you and I are not going to yell at each other because you know I love you. I don't want people to think I'm being hit beating on you. So you don't know why I think that shit. You don't know why I think that. So we go ahead this moment. We're going to give each other the floor, right? I'm going last. Only because I feel like since y'all are such cold fans. I'm a cold fan too, but y'all are like really cold fans. We've been anticipating this album for years. We finally got it. We got a weekend to live with it. We got some time to live with it. And we are here today to give our breakdown. Our personal point of view, our personal feelings, our personal opinions, our subjective opinions. Objective. Objective, excuse me. Thank you, Baby D, for that. See how we started already on correct. You see how that felt, felt good, right? I give it five minutes. Opinions on the fall off by Jermaine Cole. So between you and Baby D, y'all pick who goes first. I will go last. Wait, now we got to do a coin toss. No, no, I'm going last. I'm going last because I need to get. Okay, well, I want to run through. I don't have like a monologue review. I did want to go through certain records and make it more of a pow wow. However you, bro, this is our platform. Whatever you want to do with your time right now, you do it. I may yield my time. Yield your time, yield my time. It's your go. No, I'm going last. I'm definitely going last. I did wear sunglasses today purposely because you don't want me to see the lies behind your eyes. Exactly. If I say something, I want you to be able to call me out because you could see me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm gonna put my glasses on. This is all I ask of you niggas. This is all I ask you niggas is hilarious. It is all I ask of you niggas is when you give your review or you give your little comments or whatever, do not make it condescending. That's all I ask. If you don't like something, you don't like something. How do you go and tell somebody not to make their review condescending? You can dislike something, you could do whatever. We're not telling you how to give your review. You might like it. Yeah. Why do you think I'm going to come in here with a bunch of negativity? Yeah. I want to hit Baby D's breakdown because I know she was living all weekend with this shit. I do not have a breakdown. What? I don't have a breakdown. What I will say is I enjoy the album. I didn't think that I would like the fact that it was too, you know, a double disc. Usually what happens with double discs, we say, you know, if you take off half a one disc, it'd be a classic. That's what people usually say when it comes to double discs. With this, I did feel like I was listening to two separate albums. I have favorites on both. I will say that I like this 29 more than I like this 39. I will say that I am not disappointed in the album. I enjoyed it. Do I think it's the best in his catalog? No, do I think it's the worst? No, I think it's a great, great album. I really, really enjoyed the album. The standouts for me would be who the fuck is you? Hit the gas, quick stop, life sentence, old dog. Those are the standouts. If I had to pick a favorite, it would be who the fuck is you? Legacy, I think that the run from poor thing, which would be number five on this 29 all the way until right. It stops right before the let out at Drum and Bass. So you got poor thing, legacy, Bunts, Roll Blues. Who the fuck is you? Drum and Bass, crazy, crazy run. I think it went, I think it was amazing. I think Cole did amazing. I'm very proud of him. I'm very proud to be a Cole fan. And I was not disappointed at all with this. That is my breakdown. Hmm. Thank you, Peach. See, it's shit like this that make me start saying no, no, no, no, because I try literally as y'all not funny. Then when I started saying blow the grip, I'm crazy, right? I didn't want to get I didn't want to scream. Like I literally was trying to be fucking cool, but y'all being funny. That's the thing. I got trying to antagonize me. You niggas want me to go. That's the point. It was a cadence. I'm sorry. Thank you, baby. The way you broke that down, I didn't expect you to break it down that way. But you did a great job. Thank you so much for that. What, man? Is your go, Ferrell? Stop laughing all the goddamn time. Let me start by saying. I was extremely excited and exhausted on Thursday evening. Only cold could get me to stay up past midnight at this point. So I want to say I was very excited to get 24 records from J Cole on Thursday. When he started with the remember the Titan shit on the intro, I saw he about to take us there. Mm hmm. You getting you giving us a little Gary Bertier to start the shit? I'm on board. Then we get to two six. Absolutely loved it. Safety. One of my favorite versions of Cole rapping. Now, what's going to get to my overall point way later when we start having a real powwow? I hate when Cole feels the need to have to do everything. I don't need Cole pretending to cry like a baby. Just get a baby to cry. Still absolutely loved the record. Run a train. I actually thought that was Cole on that that hook bridge part. I guess it was future. It sounds like Cole trying to do a future impression. But that was going to be one of my cases of you should get someone else to do it. Maybe a high pitch. If Thug would have done that that hook flawless. Out of that run a train outside of that one part. Which is because he's saying some shit on. I think that was future on it. I know, but it sounds like Cole. It's weird and even says Jermaine until I checked the credits. I really thought it was Cole just trying to do like a demo for somebody. But I love what he was saying. I was like, you know, even though he pitched it down, Doug would have sounded great on that. Besides just those four bars run a train is fucking fire. Absolutely love it. Poor thing is great. He lost me with the punk bitch part. I thought he was was rapping really well in between. But the punk bitch, if you would have done like two punk bitches, I would have been fine. Forty five punk bitches. Like that's where I got was like it's a lot of punk bitches. Too many punk bitches. A lot of punk every syllable, too. But I still love poor thing. And I still play. It's not a skip just because of the punk bitch part. I'm already still on board with this entire album. Legacy fire. Once wrote blues. Cole, what a beautiful fucking way to use Tim's. Not an obvious fucking beat. That's Alchemist B, right? Alchemist B, you put Tim's in future on it. What an awesome way to use Tim's on your album. Shout out to boss who wrote that part? Tim's part of boss wrote that. Shit had me dammit ready to cry. Boss, we got to talk. Maybe you and I have something in common currently in our lives. Who the fuck is you? Fire. That's what that is. The beat change, right? Yep. Stand back to one of my points. The beat change is really cool. This is where I wish Cole maybe didn't want to just I understand T minus vinyls and a lot of people are on that Coleman as well. I think Mike will would have walked that beat change. I think you guys go with this to Mike will like, hey, this is our idea. Can you tune this up a bit and you're looking at a way different beat change? I still fuck with that. Like me and de Maris jamming out to that. I think it's great, but that's something that I feel like maybe we don't use our internal team. This is a moment and this is something Mike will specializes in. Take that to Mike will, but I'm still on board. Track eight still on board. Nine drum and bass. Fuck. I think it's great. I'm already ready to text you because at this point, I don't know, maybe it's like 1245 when I get to track nine. I'm ready to FaceTime you to tell you that Cole's greatest rapper of all time. So it's just, I don't even want to hear you say a word about Jermaine Cole for the rest of your motherfucking life. Then the let out played and I didn't survive the let out. Will we survive the let out? I didn't survive the let out. What a concept and what a way to kill it. So the highs are so high on this album and the lows are some of the lowest Cole has ever had. And I don't want anyone that's a Dreamville fan or part of that click to take that as a personal thing. I am a fan. You guys love to talk about your fans. I'm one of them and I can be objective because I've been a supporter since he was at fucking St. John's where Aristotle and my cousin Harley. It's one of the worst songs Cole has made, but I don't even want to highlight that because there's so much good going on, but we have to be objective in what's going on that. And then the the electric is never mind. You know what? I hate the let out to I hate the let out to. But what I will say is from what I've seen on the internet and what people have responded to me, so many people love the let out, which lets me know that it might be like like kind of like Laffy Taffy. Like I hate it. Laffy Taffy. That's a wild comparison. No, I hate it. Laffy Taffy. But it's so catchy and so many people love it. Then maybe maybe maybe I'm wrong because a lot of people seem to either love it or hate it. It garners a strong reception from people. It's the one song from the album that stuck in my fucking head, even though I hate the song. So let out. Yes. What's the hook on that? Well, we survived. Healed your time. It's not your go. I'm let me stop. I just I just know that I'm not good with titles. When you say start saying that I'm like, OK, OK, now go ahead. What disappointed me the most with that, though. Sure, I'm sure people love the song. I'm speaking for me and me only if a majority of people love it and I hate it. Cole did his job with the record as an artist. That concept is too good of what he was trying to do with that record to make it sound like how it sounds like. I would love a Cole let out record, but not that one. It was it was just a lot. It was a lot going on. Like a lot. Then we get to bombs in the Ville hit the gas. I'm with Demaris that hit the gas to flip. That's one of my favorite parts in the in the double disc period. And lonely at the top. I love at this point. I'm pretty fucking confident in everything. And I'm very pleased and happy off my first listen with this 29. The let out threw me off a little bit, but it's cool. Maybe maybe that one will grow on me. I'm just speaking for my first listen perspective. Bro, not a show. The let out being a grower, not a show. Mm hmm. Sometimes that's me at the let out. Yeah, let me get comfortable. It's cold in here. Let me take this honey pack. All right, I was going to grow from my bad. I prefer this time. All right, I'm sorry. Thirty nine intro comes in and I say, oh, this is this about to be the classic disc. I said, I did 29 I really fuck with. But Cole is about to take us to a whole new level. This is his perspective right now. Mm hmm. That beat switch. She start rapping, shout to Coleman. Thirty nine intro, one of the highest highs on this entire thing. And then the next record, which we've gotten already the fall off is inevitable. Is what it was called track to. Now it's called the fall is inevitable. I don't know if he's just that much of a profit, but the fall off. For the double disc was inevitable. Oh, please. OK. Not out the gate, though. The village is cool. You think I ever don't want to hear J Cole rap over the realest? This is where he starts adding in all the unnecessary hooks. Classic hooks that meet mean nothing to the song and make no sense with. Eric Abadou and Alchemist just redid the realness. So if you're getting Eric Abadou to go back on the realness after she just put out a single, just get it. Eric Abadou hook. Don't take one of the greatest hooks of all time, which I'm fine. If you want to sample this, this part of your your concept, I'm not mad at sampling that. But why me and you just have Eric Abadou make a new hook. If you're going to get Eric Abadou, just get her to do the hook. Don't just take outcast hook that has nothing to do with the fuck we're really talking about riding around in the village. The only thing you switch, it just was. It was weird. I didn't understand why placing that hook there, but still didn't kill the song for me. I still love the verses. I love Cole on that. Then you get to Old Dog. I love T minus. So I want to make sure this is not a shot. Right. I think T minus should collab with somebody else on the beat, except for Cole. T minus should collab with somebody else. Like T minus and one that should go in on that beat. OK. OK. The idea is there. I even fuck with the P.D. Publisher, even with a flip of what she was doing after I hated the the elevators flip that you just did. I wasn't even mad at the P.D. Publisher. Matter of fact, I thought it was funny with our predictions. I was like, nobody was there for P.D. Pablo. He shows up on the fucking album. I like P.D. Park. Yeah. That beat just needed it needed the A list feel that Cole has. I just felt like it was a weird choice. Life sentence. I'm never going to sit here and shit on someone loving their wife. The fuck we doing, though? What are you talking about? What? OK. I you the floor. I'm sorry. I you the floor. You're the fucking floor. OK, I got some gave each other space to speak. All right. Correct me if wrong. This is the one that has the DMX. How's it going down? Hook on it, right? Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. When the beat came in, it was cool. I was like, I little chipmunks sound click era. I'm not mad at this yet. Cole told about his wife. I'm never going to hit on that. Just why? Why randomly just throw in the DMX? How's it going down? Hook into that song. Like just why? Mm hmm. I get sampling the hooks and this and that, but you're just placing them in the most random fucking place. How is that? I don't want to use the word lazy, but it's just late. Like I don't think there's anything wrong when artists do that. I defend everything Jay does when he takes big lyrics and flips them. I'm not mad at artists doing that at all. And I'm never mad at Cole doing with DMX. But that song, why are we just throwing the how's it going down? Hook there. What you said it does. You think it doesn't apply to the song that what the song is about? The song is about being down with him from when he was younger. How does it not? What types of games to be a play like is you with me or what? It's literally about his wife being with him from the very beginning of his career. How does it not correlate? You could not like this song. I'm just don't know. It's cool. All right. You said I'm not going to argue. I'm just not going to. I'm not. I feel like anyone that feels the same way as me understands what I'm saying. And I'm not here to argue down why that just felt weird and lazy in there. The same way I felt like the elevators hook felt a little lazy in that song. I understand it's the concept of how the concept is working is just like clustering classic hooks in these songs. And it just doesn't fit with them to me. OK. And who the fuck am I like? It doesn't matter how I feel as far as J Cole and putting an album out. That's just how I felt on that part. Only you absolutely fucking love it. Love how we use Burner Boy. Only you was fucking fire. Man above. I don't know, man, but maybe I just spent too much time in church. Excuse me. Just to just take. Just take the never. I'm sure there's a bunch of people that are cold fans that have never heard Marvin Satt. Never would have made it. But I like it's just it's just like pasted into the song randomly, because I like the song and never would have made it comes on. I'm like, wait, did someone change the record? They try to blend this. It's it's just pasted there. It's weird. But I like the song. He already has the Jenny from the block hook in there. That's cool. Like it wasn't even necessary to me because the record is fire. And I'm not even mad at the Jenny from the block. That's a hook that actually made sense in how he used it. Like it didn't feel weird. But still great rapping. I love her again. Fucking flawless. Shout to Jake one. If there's anyone that's going to continue on the legacy of I used to love her and tell us about to continue that story. The next chapter I used to love her came out and with 90 something. So much has happened to hip hop. So much has shifted. I thought Cole was the perfect person to then tell the rest of that story. I absolutely love I love her again. I like that he used the light instead. I'm glad he didn't just use I used to love her like randomly in there. I'm going to save what if for for Mal's time. Quick stop fire. The whole world is the bill is cool to me. I think I overly judge that one because if we're believing Cole that this is his last album ever. That wasn't a of my first song. Like when Jay lied about the black album being his last album, we got my first song to me that's a this is me saying I hold J Cole to Hove being a peer like Cole is a legend now. So I hold him to that status as a fan. It was it just didn't hit for like the last song of your career. I don't dislike it. I think out of the second album, it's like, you know, maybe my third favorite on there is just a weird way to end it. And Oceanway, you call it a bonus track, so I'm not calling it the outro. I like Oceanway. But I mean, I don't consider that your last song because you said it was a bonus track. Right. So I that's I don't know if that's unfair. But I think as hip hop fans were allowed to judge things in that way. If you're telling me is your last album. I've got to know what your last song is going to be. Right. Like that's important to me, even when he lied to us. My first song off the concept of like I treat everything as if it's my first song. It's my last song. And like, listen, man, how can you have a seat on his fucking bicycle? Now he's the head of black music. The whole world's not the bill. Yeah. So what I'm hearing from you is that on this 39, you did not like the vilest, you didn't like old dog. You didn't like you're misrepresenting me. I like the records. I think they were ruined by the concept of trying to crudely paste classic hooks into them. I think the songs themselves, the raps are amazing. And I wish somebody else would have stepped in to make those hooks. OK, I think. Well, I'll save one point because it's a conversation. I'm all in. I had about the hook thing. So so I'll save that part so we can have that full conversation after Maul speaks. I feel like Cole. You know, the very few faults that he has is when he just tries to do everything. And I think that's worked out OK with him because he is a genius in his own right. But when you're making 24 records. No, man, we need some hope. Yeah, we need some hope. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But I can even hear it as a cold fan that I know it. I wasn't really joking when I'm hearing Cole cry like a baby, like just get a baby. Like if you're going that like that length, that length to make sure you're doing everything. I think when you're trying to do a double disc, that that may hinder you a bit. Like this also. Shit, if you go through Cole's last three albums, like has he been the main producer? Off season, was he? I don't don't quote me. But there was a time that was always an early critique of of J. Cole was Cole, you're one of the greatest rappers we've ever heard. I know you're trying to do the Kanye thing, but maybe let other people do the beats. And I think he listened to that for a long time. And I'm not mad at anyone wanting to go back to your career. If you want to go back to your passion of making beats, he did say that in that clip from the doc that came out. Like he saw T minus cooking up on the road. He's like, I forgot how much I used to love making beats. I want to focus on that. I respect that, though. But 24, 24 records. Even big and puff needed the hitman. Like, you're going to need like help. Yeah, we went all eyes on me. We don't need dads. We need trade. We're going to need Nate. No, we're going to need a lot of people to really bring this to life because it's it's that's a task, though. Yeah, 10 records is a task. I think that's where the second disc to me. Was a little off. You try to do everything and it's like, all right, well, then I'll just paste this this hook here. Right. That's already proven. And I just think Cole is better. Than that. That's all. But this 29. I love outside of the let out. I fucking love this 29. So are you this 39? There's a few records. And again, old dog, like. I'm not mad at the like, I don't skip that record. I just feel like it could have been better with the resources that J. Cole has and the resources that T minus has as well. So I don't want to take. I think T minus is one of the best underrated producers. We said that last episode. I yeah, I just think so. Were you disappointed as a cold fan? It's too much to digest in one weekend and say disappointed. Let me say no. No, I'm not disappointed. I just don't know if. Two discs. For me, for me. Was necessary. Okay. I can't speak obviously for for J. If J. Cole, it's his decision. For all the dream, the listeners out there. I'm not saying what he should have done. Telling as a consumer how I felt. You don't have to two step. Yes. It's okay. It's okay. Just to give you opinion. You don't have to. Since when is it okay to just give you? They put my mother's address on the internet. What you were like? What are you talking about? Just give your opinion. See what they've done to this man. You could just give your opinion. Yeah, right. Oh my God, that's funny. Well, J. Cole, fans are not a storage for because I gave a music opinion. J. Cole doesn't really have the lunatic fans like that. I don't think his fans are that lunatic. I don't think they're as crazy as the rest of them. That's because they didn't need to be. And now if you've seen what the stand game is different now, and I think Cole fans are competitive enough to compete, they're going to show out. This is what y'all doing now. I bet. We'll see. And that they claim to be more intelligent. So they're going to hack you like iClouds. They're going to go nuts. Okay, Maul. Don't piss me off, please. Wait, before he goes, did I piss you off? Was that that feel like an honest review from someone you know very well? That was I actually feel like you're being nicer than you want to be. The only reason why I stopped you was when I just I was trying to get you to I just was confused on how life sentence and that how those two songs think correlate that's the reason why I stopped you. Your opinion is your opinion. You could like or not like just a lazy. Thing to me. OK, it could be lazy, but I just didn't know. I even think the way Cole is wrapped about the beautiful relationship he has with his wife in the past compared to that was lazy. You didn't feel him when he said, I'm doing you dirty, but like not as bad as I could be in that. That made me feel better. You mean film? When I was this 29, I may have felt them. But I'm going to change, man. Look at the range. You got a whole new game plan. Jamal. Damn, Jamal is crazy. That's my name. But damn, both Jays, Jermaine and Jamal. Well, I love I love both of y'all said because I kind of echo a lot of y'all sentiments as well. I will say this, I think J Cole is a phenomenal rapper, phenomenal MC, one of the best that I've ever heard. I think that this album, because we've been anticipating this probably with eight years now or almost 10. Right. After having a weekend to live with it and I did listen to it a lot over the weekend. Just let it play, let it run. I was underwhelmed. So many years of anticipation for this project, for this album. I was underwhelmed. Again, I'm not an MC. I'm not a rapper. I can never do what J Cole does. So I don't want to disrespect. Sorry. That's he was quiet during your time. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. This I was trying to play the song to figure out if Roy was right. But that's that's unfair. He showed a lot of respect. I'm sorry. I'm literally sorry. I accidentally pressed play on my phone. I'm sorry. Go ahead. It's OK. You were saying I was saying. Underwhelmed. I was underwhelmed. I think that I overlooked a lot of J Cole's flaws over the years. When it comes to songmaking, when it comes to album making, I think a lot of these hooks were like Roy said, lazy. I'm never questioning J Cole's ability to rap and to bar you down. He's one of the best to do that. But when you say album time, this is album mode. Now we got to get into songmaking. We got to get into replay value. We got to get into, you know, those type of things when there's an album. I think a lot of these songs, the hooks weren't we're not holding up the bars. Use a lot of sample hooks, even the Bunts road. I think that's the one with Tim's in future. I love that record. Fire. Why do you have a future singing usher like song on there? Like I just gave a he gave a bar in the beginning, right? It was just like seven o'clock on the guy and then he switched it. Yeah, all he said was the seven o'clock on the dot and then he switched it. Yeah, but I just didn't I didn't like that. I think if you want to use future on a record, let it just be a whole different like we never heard a lot of this just felt like we heard the parts. Because there's some good moments on this album. There's some good moments. Very high highs. What would the what would the good moments be for you? What do you think? I think Bunts road is dope. Who the fuck is you is cool. I just don't want to keep saying who the fuck is you. I think it's rapping on there. Which one is the. I can't, you know, I'm terrible. Sing it a little bit better. The dude, the Rodney, the Nessan, the Nessan Lee, the Rodney, whatever song that was. His floor on that was crazy. He was barring you down. I didn't like the hook. Like I said, I'm never expecting J. Cole to not rap his ass off. He could do that. It's always when it comes time to song making and is the hook strong as the bars. And to me, it's like where he said, who's in the studio with you and you create? Because I think if you listen to one of his art, like a J.I.D. Why wasn't J.I.D. I think J.I.D. should have been used more in this album making process. When it's strictly not bars, because J. Cole don't need that. Just song making, because J.I.D. is a very, very well rounded artist as he could rap his ass off, but even his hooks are strong. I just think you need to have certain inspiration and certain artists that you have in close proximity to when you make any projects. Like, again, I don't know what Cole's song making and album making process looks like. I don't know who's in there with him. I'm just saying I it's OK, like where we said, to just the guys that again, your camp still somebody like J.I.D. Have him in there just to listen to some songs or some records and give his opinion here and there. We saw that with Boss on the offseason. Yeah. Boss did like seven hooks on the offseason. And that's I don't sell incredible fucking. I'm not mad at that when it comes to song making again. Bars, I'm never questioning Jermaine Cole's ability to bar you down. But he never. This is the first time I think that flaw kind of came back, because I think a sideline story, which I don't put all on him. I think he was pressured a lot with rock and it just being in that era where you needed to have the smash R&B singer. And I don't put too much on him for that. No, but then Forestel Drive, I think he started to get it. Correct on how he could balance that, not making it too much him on on hooks, even when there wasn't a feature. K.O.D. I thought he got it right. And offseason, I thought he got it right. It's it felt more born center and sideline story with the hooks on this one. I mean, again, didn't love it. It was some good moments on the album here and there. Do we need to this? No. I think we could have we could have taken this down and, you know, made one disc, take the best off each disc. Because again, we talk about you get into that that space where it gets dangerous. You talk about two discs, you got to be able to your song, your song making, not your rapping ability to have two discs. Your song making ability has to be incredible. That means your hook, I agree. Your bridges that has to be incredible. You have to be able to do that at an incredible volume, especially. I'm sorry to cut you off. Especially when you're someone like Cole, and that's not a slight Yabi clown in Kendrick on the funny voice shit. That does help break things up sonically. Like Nikki is really great at that as well. Like when you can rap that well, you do need to give the person's ear a break for a second. Like tone does matter. And I think 24 records. Big was was very much one of the greatest rap voices ever. Obviously had a bunch of different flows, but he knew how to break up the records where you would get a break from big. It's a lot to digest when you're that good at rapping. And 24 records is just too much. Yeah, it was just that way. It was too much for the for the hooks and songs not to be, you know, as strong as they should have been for 24 tracks. The what if song? Can I take a bathroom break? Y'all can keep talking. I left that one alone because I wanted to have this as a group talk. Well, let me let me let me get to you before I get into what if. Compliments. Listen, J. Cole, phenomenal MC, incredible MC, pen is incredible. Rap is that. So. I just it's just the hooks, man. The hooks for me, it was just it was it was way too many moments of just like where the hooks felt lazy. It felt like, OK, let me just lean on this, this, this. This hook that people know that they already love to fill in here. It felt like a lot of references, like a lot of reference hooks. Like it felt like let me put this here, but I'll go back and change it. We do know that J. Cole had to change some things on the album because of things that happened. He had to change some things around what he had to change. We don't know. But I feel like. Gaps are there, we can kind of feel like where he was going to have. Bigger songs with bigger hooks had he had certain individuals on this album. I think that that was bleeding. It was like because there's no to me. There's no I remember the marriage saying he going to have a bop. I don't know if I hear a bop on here. Who the fuck is you is cool. But it's just too much who the fuck is just the same repetitive. It's like again, to me, that's that when you have a pin like J. Cole to repeat who the fuck is you as many times as a hook. To me, again, I can't do what J. Cole does with to me as a listener. That just feels lazy. It feels like, oh, let me just repeat this over and over as the hook. I don't know if I hear a bop on here. I don't know if I hear something that I'm going to want to hear and ride to. And I don't know if I hear that again. The music is like I said, there's some moments on it, some good moments on this on this on this project. But I don't think it's nothing that sustains and nothing that I'm going to want to keep going back to. Not one song. Oh, there's plenty of songs I'm going back to. I like months wrote a lot. How do you feel about drum and bass? Which one is that? But we taught that drum and bass. Fuck you, Tom. That's cool. That's cool. But again, I'm just not I'm not in love with it. But it's cool. It's cool. OK. So you're disappointed as well. Not disappointed, underwhelmed. OK. For me to be anticipating this project for almost 10 years. I just feel like we've gotten albums from other artists in the past year that was better than this. And I don't think any of those guys could probably rap is because J.Cole. You know what I'm saying? So again, that just leads to song making ability and album making ability. Too much cold. I think again, the double this thing, we talked about that when we first heard it was going to be that tricky. You in dangerous waters when you start to about 20 plus tracks, breaking it up into two, two different, you know, albums or whatever. Not many can do that. But again, good moments. I don't want to seem like I'm just shitting on the album because I'm not at some good moments on there. Obviously, good rapping, great rapping. Just the songs don't really, you know, not not enough songs hold me and sustained my listen to I'm like, not as shit as crazy. But it was some good moments on there. It was some good moments. Now, to what if? Because I spoke I spoke about it. I said, I felt like J.Cole should address. The situation and debt that he went to because obviously it was a big moment and, you know, his role in it, I felt like, you know, he gave us, you know, kind of glimpses into it on was it Port Antonio or something like that? Gave us glimpses into it. But I felt like he should have used this album to really get into his emotion around that whole thing is thinking around that whole moment. Things he may feel towards both of those gentlemen even today. I feel like he should have used some of this album on that. The what if thing? I didn't like it only because. Again, we apologizing. And it's like, why? Like, first of all, that's not even your error. You didn't know parking big. I can say that Jay Z made a song like this. Nas made We Will Survive. I can say that Nas made a song like this. It was on him. Right. Jay Cole, I get it. Fans of both of those MCs probably has real feelings like, damn, I wish that didn't happen because obviously we lost two of the best around some shit. But then try to curate it in a way where he kind of was talking about how he felt in his moment of battling one of his brothers or one of his friends and things like that. And I felt like that was just kind of again, that was a lazy attempt at addressing, you know, his own situation in the industry and in rapping and battling and how it could turn negative and ugly. And, you know, it could go away that you don't want it to go. Again, J Cole is a great MC, great writer. I just felt like he used that moment the wrong way. Where did you feel like he was using his own? Well, when things we said, like, you know, they're so uncomparable, I would apologize. I should have apologized. You know, you still my some some she said, where I kind of felt like that was him talking to Drake. Like that was like a bar like, you know, obviously, I know he's going to hear this. Again, I understand he's talking as pop and talking as big. But again, we know the moment that he was in in his own battle and in rap. I feel like that was kind of like a little, you know, OK, that's you talking. I understand you talking as big and pop. But that's J Cole talking to Drake right there. With just which part exactly I miss my dog. I ain't got to hide if I hurt you. I apologize that part. OK. You get what I'm saying? Like I don't know if that's the case. I still would have been mad at this song, but I would have understood it more if you did a third verse. Speaking as J Cole and the situation he went through, if we're going to address people apologizing to each other, like I would have still hated that you did the big perspective and pop perspective. But if you did the third verse as J Cole to show like, OK, this is what if they would have apologized and then gave your perspective of everything, like, all right, at least he tied it all together. This is a cop out to me. I actually do feel and I'm speculating, call me an idiot. I'm fine with that. I think at some point in the studio, J Cole had an idea of doing a song like this from the perspective of Drake and the perspective of Kendrick and then his third verse would be his perspective in the same concept of a what if they apologize to each other? What if that didn't have God? He didn't do that. And I thought it would be worse. And I agree. And I think somebody said, bro, don't do that. And he liked the concept so much that he was like, I'll do it as pocket big. And I think it even came out 10 times. Yeah, because it's not there's no coincidence that he did this. Come you know, that I could be a thousand percent wrong. I'm just speculating what this is. But I'm just just the climate and how it looks. Obviously, we lost these two MCs. Over what people think it was because of the battle. It was a lot deeper than just the battle. But I understand what Cole was doing with this. Again, I just think that his he has such a huge moment. That he could have spoken about more in depth on this album. And he didn't do that to me. Like, I just felt like, you know, even on the other one, what's the one where he sampled the common joint? I love her. I love her again. I think that that was more of a dress than anything else. You know, he quoted. He said to my friends would be beefing, whatever, whatever happened with that. Like, again, you could have used more. You could have went into depth more. And we get it. She told me I wasn't mad at just a quick, quick mention of that in that record. I want a full. I'd rather the what if. I think that he needs to speak to that more. I'm saying I'd rather that. And what if then when he said that was about hip hop, not she was the best I ever had. Yeah, the type of games is why two of my homies started to beef to both of them. She said, you're the best I ever had. And the whole time that bitch was saying that type of shit to me. Fuck. Exactly. I like that. He just left it at that. Yeah, I don't mind that. I thought that was perfectly when it comes to what if. So I listened. I'll only listen to the first this first, because I wanted to digest them as two different this listen to the first this. And then I went on the Internet and people started talking about what the concept of what if. So when I got to the second this, I skipped what if I didn't hear what if till damn near Sunday. And I was talking to somebody and they were like, why, you haven't heard it yet. And I was like, no. And they were like, why? I'm like, because. No matter how well he executes this, it's going to be bad. Like there's no it's going to be bad no matter how. And I think that he executed, executed it better than other people who have done it just because of his rapping ability. But you're not the person who does this. Like you're making it. I literally said to the person who told me that he's making it hard for me to go in to work on Monday as a J. Cole fan, because it's like I've been through enough. I don't need you know, I've been through enough. I like I don't need to have to go into work. As a J. Cole fan, because and again, I'm a fan too, but you like really love Cole. Are you. Do you love this album? Give me one second. Let me finish what I was saying. Oh, I have one more thing with what. Yeah. But I was just going to say, what it. Well, what if it gives to me or not even what it gives to me, just what it gives generally that I have to come in here and fucking defend is see guys, if they would apologize like I did, they'd still be alive. That's what it gives to me. And it makes me want to choke myself. So it's like, why, why, why? That's nasty. Why you know what I'm saying? Like you're making my job hard. And that's a perfect way to get with with my point, because even if that wasn't Cole's intentions, that's how I'm saying I'm sure Cole's not listening. But Cole, it came across that way. Yeah. Even if there's plenty of things I say on here that come across so blatantly and I'm like in my head, I'm like, I didn't mean it that way. And everyone, including you guys are like, that's how you sound. Yeah. That happens. I'm saying this came across nasty and weird. And it feels like you're trying to compare it like you took the higher road and look what could have become. And the difference is it's apples and bowling balls. This shit started deep when people were dying. People were being shot. It wasn't somebody teasing you on a metro beat. Like it's a drastically different scenario that can't be comparable. Cole, even saying that first line as big to me was like the most offensive thing that all of a sudden big would have been like big should have been like, yo, man, I know you said you fucked my wife, but yo, we should we should end this. Right. Like what's this? We got to stop speaking from the perspective of dead people. Like what's the fuck? Like that's what big should have done. Is disrespectful. And like it's it's like offensive hindsight. You know, like that big should have been like, you know what, you right? And matter of fact, big handle that better than any 24 year old on earth would have handled that situation. Also, I thought I just thought what if was was one of the when I said some of the highest highs were cold and some of the lowest fucking low. And it sucks because the rapping is so good. No, we are now. Today's show is brought to you by a presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, Florida's sportsbook mall. The big game has passed. There is no more NFL. 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And to me, so much more makes it makes so much more sense to me now. Why Cole did what he did. On this album, he speaks to commitment issues. He speaks to being a sidewalk nigga. I mean, he never wanted to jump in traffic, never wanted to be in the streets. He's always been there. Well, I don't mean that. He's always said that which I always appreciate the cold. I'm trying to pretend, but it makes it makes more sense now coming off of everything. Like. There it is. Like, OK, cool. I have no problem with it. I just never paid attention to it that much before 2024, because we didn't have that moment. After 2024, now, if he says that, I'm like, OK, I get it now. Like that that was never you. That was never who you are. And I can't be mad at that. Be your true self. If that's not who you are, no problem there. My only issue is. I feel like everything post that. It speaks to. Again, this is my thoughts looking for a house I looking in. I think that J. Cole is forever stuck in that dreamfest apology moment mentally. I don't never spoke to him, never had a personal. But I think that that moment, I think if he had that moment to do over again, he would do it differently. Only because I think so, too. Only because all he had to do is what he's incredible at doing. Literally, I disagree because. And I was going to ask my flowers at the end from Demaris from the record. She loves caught a lot of bodies. So my closet, it got skeleton skeletons. Don't believe me. Call your favorite rapper for the evidence. I told you on my theory two years ago on stage when he brought up his family and I'm not playing. I'm not playing this mess. I've been on tour with everybody. They know all my shit. I think you miss. Well, you know, we all interpret bars differently, but that's. Yeah, but I caught a lot of bodies. So my closet, it got skeletons. Don't believe me. Call your favorite rapper for the evidence. Caught a lot of bodies as in like I cleaned a lot of niggas up. Don't believe me. Call your favorite rapper for the evidence because I've been on so long to show our favorite rappers and clean them up. But again, we all interpret bars differently. Go both ways. It could be. I said he had a combo with Kendrick, the combo drink. There's a lot. I have no fucking idea. Had a combo with them. Saw where shit was going and said, oh, no. He's talked about infidel. He's talked about all this. I'm not saying anything that he hasn't talked about in his music and I'm not trying to bring up or everyone moves on and becomes better people. I'm not shitting on J Cole. But I think that line is directly, directly, directly to the point I made after Dreamville Fest when he said, you know, I got a family now, though, I'm not even trying to do this type of shit. I don't want to. Yeah, I know where you're about to take it. You're about to go on some personal shit. I don't even want to hear if that's the case. I even look at that like that's a simple conversation. Like that was before we got married and all that. Like if a nigga to my yo, you was fucking mad, bitches. I'm like, that was before. Like that's not to me. That's lazy. That's a lazy excuse. Like I don't I don't believe that. And if that was, that's crazy. If that was your reason for doing what you was doing, I don't want wifey to know. I'll be you, J Cole. You think your wife don't know you got pussy from other women? All right, well, let's let's all relax on that personal part. I'm just I'm not saying that it's true. I'm just saying if a rapper says it, you think your wife can be like word. OK, now you're one of the dopest MCs of your fucking generation. I'm pretty sure you got groupies. But let's let's use let's use Mr. Morale as an example where as yes, everyone thought that. And I'm sure that was tough conversations that Kendrick and Whitney had to have when he was about to tell the world that he had been she learned her infidelities of sex addicted the whole shit. I'm saying Kendrick got ahead of that and he told us that. We all look at Cole, especially Cole fans as like this week. He cleaned that you think. What can I don't think it's about me? You think that I was in the middle of talking to me? Let me talk to interrupt me every day. And I'm sorry. I'm trying to get better. You think that Kendrick didn't talk to his wife before he went in the booth and told us what he told you? That was her first time hearing that literally. Just that's what he just said. Literally. So how you know that cold and do that with his way? I finished my point. I'm saying that it has nothing. I'm sure Cole has talked to his wife about that stuff. I'm saying the perception of Cole has been this squeaky clean. It would devastate a lot of his fan base in the world. If you angled it correctly in a rat beef to show the false profit shit. You've been saying everyone else is a false fucking profit. No, everything you've been saying on your albums is a fucking lie because you did this on tour. And I'm not saying any of this is true, but and we clearly know that in this rat beef, things were said that were not true whatsoever. And everything was on the table. We could lie, make up anything. You don't think somebody could angle Cole based off one little thing. Maybe they saw on tour that he already talked to his wife about that could not skew the perception of the world of how they view him. They just have the world did the same thing to drink. They view him differently now. You're right. You're absolutely right. So I think Cole was like, you're going there. I'm getting the fuck out of here, dog. That's to me. That's corny. Well, we've had this conversation. That is the angle, right? Say what he's saying is true. That means I don't battle. That means like now I don't want nobody hearing that about me. What are we talking about? You wanted to illus like and again, back to my original point, people with the squeaky brands and listen to it and listen to it. And he ain't got no squeaky clean clean. Nothing is that every man he's in a home. Okay, well, back back to my original point. Yes, I think that J Cole mentally will never get over his decision he made that day. I don't think he will. OK. And when I said what I said to 24 about career suicide that everybody's like, nah, you bugging, not talking about album sales and selling tickets. I'm talking about the meaning behind his words now, the validity behind his pen, how other MCs view him. I don't think that none of that. I think all of that is over with. He talked about killing his own self, his own self on the album. I don't do that because I was the. That's the killing is old. That's like the kill Jay-Z intro. Like I don't understand what he was saying. Killing his old self is old. It doesn't even like this. Even when part of this whole thing. Like I don't. So why are we why are we here? You're allowed to feel that way at this point in your career. Like that's cool. But that's again, that leads to his decision. And it's too much. It is. I respond. I take it back. I want to be a part of this shit. No, I don't want to be a part of this shit. Like, bro, we just told my rapping and making music here, bro. Like, I don't understand why we put in all of this extra. Like it's not that deep, which whatever battle y'all was about to have, whatever conversation you have with Kendrick, like nothing to me was that deep to where Cole couldn't just be who Cole is, a phenomenal MC through all of that shit. And I hear you, but where the contradiction would come is the hindsight being 20, 20. And I don't think Cole is that so raven and fucking predicted all that. But you rightfully so have come up here. The dish shit has crossed a fucking line. No, it's not just rapping anymore. Somebody was called something that is inexcusable in the world. Like there you come up here and it was crossed and said to me. So that to me was cool. So you're saying, Cole, I'm not just right now. It wasn't because you just came in here and said that with Drake. It wasn't but that to me was the only line that was crossed. That to me was only line like what I am now you just saying anything. If that's what you doing, like I to me that again, I said that through the whole thing. But just battling. And then now I think forever like your words like you even you hear it in him. The confidence don't even it's not even there anymore. Everything is like it's almost victim mentality, honestly. Like he's almost rapping as from the perspective of a victim. I don't even want this success. I don't even want this shit. I don't even want that's not. But this isn't Cole's first. Yes. First time saying that it's not. But coming off of what he did, it means and it feels different now. So and that was my point. Everything from that moment, which is why I said if he had to do it over again, he it's a different it's a different decision he makes. Because again, I think mentally, mentally, because he knows how dope he is. He's stuck in that a moment like I should have just barred. I should have just jumped in there and just got my shit off because that's this is what you do. It's the easiest shit in the world for you to rap. No, a lot of niggas can't rap with J Cole. We're talking about just fuck a hook, fuck up just bars. Are you kidding me? 99.9. Are you kidding me? And that's why I was so disappointed because I was looking at it like, though, this is what you do. This we ain't talking about who make a better song, who make a better hook. We're talking about who could put pen to paper and whoop ass. Well, we're moving. I mean, we changed and that's kind of why I hate what if being on here completely. And so I know I could do off because we're talking about this right now, like just you should have just left the shit off the album, so we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Kendrick Drake would not have been brought up unless you on this podcast unless you did the what if what if what what song what song would I brought up Kendrick Drake on any more would have brought it up with the I love you again. That would have got it would have got more. Oh, but I thought I don't think he'd be talking the way he's talking. I'm not you again. We just try to hold it in with this apology. What if shit and it's not it's again, apples and bowling balls, not even the same comparison. It's weird. You know, you know what you're doing because this is going to make everyone want to focus on that. And I just thought it was done. Yeah, that was another thing. I'm like, if you're trying to get away from it, if you're not really going to openly address it like you had to, if you if you're not going to address it, then leave what if off so that we don't love you again. I thought what he addressed there was perfect because he's mentally never going to get over that moment. I'm telling you, I can hear it in him. And I knew that was going to I'm like, when this all in my mind, I'm saying when this all blows over, Cole is going to look back on them and like, I fumbled that one. That was my opportunity to warp ass. And then and then and then, right? Because this was something I noticed because I was waiting to see this because everybody was like, nah, that's his man. If Kendrick is his man, why he got the Kendrick songs on the album? Oh, I don't know if that's it. Well, what we all said that that would look corny. It would look corny. It would. But what? So what? What? Where I will agree. Backing out of the battle, the corny, he did it. Who gives a fuck if because people were saying, nah, that's his man. He really want to go there with his man like that. OK, no problem. That's his man. No problem. Right. Understand. No problem. You don't want to get into it with your boy. Cool. Right. But how come them songs, you know, now. Did Kendrick not clear the songs? I don't think Cole wanted them on. Yeah, I think he just. We just we just we just sitting here kicking the ship. Or maybe there's those songs maybe on here, but they just took Kendrick verse off. That could be OK. Why Kendrick versus in on now? I think I think the points that you brought up to me when I was arguing, I'd be fine with hearing them is the answer. I'm actually agreeing with what you said to me at that time. It would how crazy would look? It would it would just it will probably sound dated to it was sound dated. Here's my thing. Where I will agree with them all is I think this 29. Was recorded more in offseason cold time. That feels like offseason cold to me. This 39 sounds like cold now a little uninspired and. Maybe a little timid like I I do see what Maul is saying. And again, I could be wrong. And this could have been recorded yesterday for all I fucking know. But I can see the sheer difference between this 29 and this 39 with an inspired fucking rapper. I'm been a fan of this shit my entire life. I can hear that. Oh shit. All right, come on. That was funny. He almost said the N word right there. Be. Don't make this a clip. He almost, baby, we almost caught him. We almost. Hey, the greatest. We're not a white mom. What do you say on there? I felt seen. Um, I feel like my personal ears, I can hear the difference on the two. And I feel like this 29 was the stuff that was recorded. When he was in a little different space. Exactly what I was afraid of happened though. OK, like did you like it? Did you like it more than you thought you would? No. Oh, wow. I don't like it more than I thought I would. You don't like it at all. Not at all. It's some good moments on this album. It's some good moments. I'm not I'm not saying the album is trash. Too much. Could have condensed it. You say that. Well, I'll double this. That aren't drinks. So I guess not. It's that's tough to do. You got to be a different. Your songmaking ability has to be different to carry double this. Like that's just we can put that over there. Your songmaking ability has to be different. But good moments. Again, I'm never we don't even have to talk about bars and rapping. That's cemented. Just the production on some. The hooks were lackluster for me on most of the songs. And whatever hooks are good. It's a flip. It's a sample. It's a playoff of other songs that we already know and love. That's a cheat code. You know, it's like, of course, we love that song. Of course, we ain't going to hate this hook. We love that fucking record. Did you feel excited when you heard 266 Wildland? 266 Wildland? Did you hear like, did you get excited? Because that hyped me up. And when I first heard that, I actually thought the album was going to sound a lot different than it did. I thought I was going to get about when I heard when the album opened like that. Again, apologies to all of Fayetteville. I wasn't aware of what 266 meant because Koa has not really said 26. I was confused when Drake said views from the six the first time. My bad. I wouldn't want them to do the two do a forest till things. Isn't Drake from Forest Hills and he's from Forest Hills Drive? Make a forest hills record and then add action Bronson to it. Like, I don't want to all the numbers to six. Everyone just naming their city random shit out of nowhere. Shout out to the three one five. Y'all are the orange man. I'm out in three one five real guys, seven real pies. All right, my bad. I wonder my bad. I'm sorry. Was that you were still there? That was me. OK, that was off the bat. Like, I was just off the top. Well, you asked me if I like the album as a cold fan. I do like the album as a cold fan. There are a lot of songs that I could do without. But the songs that I can do with I love. So that makes a good album for me. If there's a couple of songs I can do without maybe like five of them on a twenty five twenty four album. I'm cool with that. I can do without five on an album full of twenty four. Only five. Only five. And they would be. I do that. We got to do that. But yeah, I can I can do without about five of them, but I love it. I absolutely love this twenty nine. The five that I don't like the majority of them are on this thirty nine. But yeah, like I'm Roy said, he doesn't like doesn't really fuck with old dog and life since it's I absolutely fucking love them. I don't I don't skip old dog. I just I just think that that one could have been more of a bot. I think that should could have hit a little different. He should have took some of your beats. No, I'm not saying that whatsoever. I said, Cole, T minus and these guys are geniuses with recent resources I don't have or deserve. Go go use. I don't I don't have a line on on Mike will when I need a base. Sometimes you just need some Mike will shit. But that is my. It's like sometimes you could make a beat and be like. Which I've done in my shit. If you want to make that joke, I'll make a video. Can someone redo this? That's way better at this than me. We're here to try to we're trying to get the best product, not to prove that I could do it by myself. OK, I respect that. You know what this album is like? Don't piss me off. It's like when the girl make you wait like eight summers to give you some pussy. I knew he was going to piss me off. And then like it stink a little bit. But like it's not bad. It's not like you got a little like and you found out she hit 24 men that summer. Like that's what this is like. You still hit. I'm still going to hit any with some fire, but it just had a little got a little sent to it, though, it sounds like the concept I love her. I love her. I mean, like she got too much red meat on a diet. Need to up the veggies. You know, I'm saying too much would you hit again? Everyone deserves second chances. I hit again. Everyone deserves another. I would hit again. But you want to if it's if it's still at that same, I'm cool. I'm off it. We ain't going to keep doing that because I give you the past like I, you know, we was, you know, me, maybe she didn't know we was going to get into the moment. You know, I'm saying it's a little off a period. Might be coming fresh off of something. I don't know. Spotted again. Diet might she might just, you know, mean too much red meat this month. But we're going to give her some time to, you know, up her water intake, veggie intake, fresh fruit intake, spin back and hopefully is, you know what I mean? Do you think this takes him. Out of. No, no, it's whatever you're about to say. OK. Take some out of what? The conversation of some of the best. J. Cole is still one of the greatest rappers that's ever lived. He's one of the best. So I'm still not. That's not. No, no, that changes nothing. I just again, J. Cole is one of them. Once personally, I'm just underwhelmed for a project that we waited for for almost 10 years. And it's like. I also think I get you. And I also think that, like I said this before it came out, I was talking to somebody, I was like, he was like, are you excited about that? I might say, yeah. But at the same time, I know that no matter what, I'll be disappointed. And what I mean by that is when the anticipation is that tie, there's no way you meet it. Very rarely does anybody meet when the anticipation is that tie, no matter who the artist is. I mean, I was not. I give what you said. Sometimes you'll fall short of the anticipation, but to me, he felt way short of the anticipation. Who's ever been in this anticipation scenario? Yeah, this is this is one of the most anticipated albums probably ever in rap. Because even with like offseason was anticipated and the surprise and this and that, but like it's a drastically different anticipation with everything that happened. So I don't even know because he delivered on all the anticipation of his last album, but this is different. Has any other rapper been in? This like. I thought Jay delivered on anticipation after lemonade and salange beating him up in the elevator and we got 444. I thought he delivered there, but I still don't think the stakes were as as high as this. No, this this again, this was again. I think it's this and this is in Iceman where the. I can't think of another scenario where I don't even think that people are anticipating Iceman the way that people were anticipating this. I don't think so. I think you're I think you're wrong, but they're anticipating in a different way. It's a different. It's a different. It's the same anticipation in a different way. And some people are a lot of people going in there can't wait to hate Iceman can't wait. They're going to set their alarm clock to make sure they can. Same in a lot of ways. There's a lot of people that was anticipating this to hate or to love it. Again, he's given us this title eight, nine years ago. That's why I think that's where I say the anticipation because even before the moment of like the apology, people weren't anticipating the fall off because it's been teased for so many years. That's why I'm like not comparing it to Iceman because it's like we get so much music from Drake. Nobody's really anticipating a Drake album. We get a Drake album every year. I got you see what I'm saying? Like this album you've been waiting for for years. Everything after that, though, coming off of 24, that's why the anticipation for Iceman is where it's at because coming off of that, you know, whatever people say he lost that battle knocked the creativity out of him. But that doesn't make sense because we got some sexy songs for you and everybody that's not rap, though. OK, you know what I'm saying? Like, we know Drake could do that. And this he could give us a R&B vibe about in his sleep. Well, now people want to hear him rap. They want to hear what he sounds like rapping coming out of that moment. So that's what that is. That why that anticipation is hard. But obviously, yeah, just the fall off. We've been hearing this. It's almost like the detox. Deadass. No, that's finally got the detox. Yes, like this little pump on KOD and ended the album with the fall off. Yeah, like this is this is this was on that level of anticipation. And again, to me, it just felt short. But again, good moments on there. But overall, it was just like I was under what like I. So a lot to digest, man. It's a lot of rap. It's a lot of rap. That's a lot of rapping. But again, this is what he gave us. So this is what we got to listen to. This is what we got to dissect. This is what we got to digest. This is what we got to talk about because this is the product that he gave us. I'm just again, underwhelmed because. I was anticipating a much better overall project. And even to that point and we can close. But what he said at the end of I love her again. Of which I thought was like brilliantly. Brought together towards the end of hip hop stuff like, bro, you don't even listen to me anymore. Like, what are you talking about? Like I got kids, I got shit going on. I can't that is also how hard this has been to digest this weekend. It's 24 record at this age. I I don't have the time to live and breathe it the way I did at discs. Twenty nine. Like it's funny. He even said that and put out a double disc like he's the same way. He's a bright kid. I'm not I don't listen to hip hop as much as I used to. Is that other shit going on? Can't just sit here for the whole weekend and do this shit. Yeah, he said. I thought that because I felt that way too. Like all all I used to do 24 hours out of the fucking day is listen to music. I just don't do that as much as I used to do. When he said at first, I was defensive, bitch, listen to how you sound. So many niggas fucked you now you're pussy water down. But the more I thought about her quote, she was right. There was a time when she was on my phone day and night singing songs to me that I heard at night. Some were kind of old and some were kind of new. But you'll see how it's getting older. Raising kids are that spending time and listening to her is hard to do. Yes. So like even though I did give this as much time as I could outside of us having the podcast. Yes, it's tough to listen to a double disc at thirty five. It was tough. It was with this level of rapping. Like, yeah, you have to digest this. It could take a month with my schedule. All right. So now there's one. As far as post beef album that we've didn't get. What do you mean? Oh, just drink. You're saying left. Yeah, we got the cold album. We got G and X. Yeah. So are you do you think G and X is better? Well, which one do you guys prefer G and X or this? They're not even terrible. This one is better. Absolutely. OK, absolutely. One thousand percent. I could listen to your opinions. I could listen to this way more than I could listen to G and X. I've had over a year with G and X. So I mean, yeah, and they're completely different types of. They just both happen to have people rapping on them. They're completely different. They are. I'm saying I could listen to this. You're perfect. You're perfect. I would have to. I would have to agree. But that's just because G and X is very Cali, very Cali. That could be a two. Yeah, it's very Cali. But yeah, me, I could listen to this. But I do think even though you're right, there's we had G and X. We had this. I do think Kendrick's next album will roll over into this. Yes, G and X falls in that timeline. But everyone's still going to be looking at fall off Iceman and then whatever Kendrick is dropping after that. Yeah. So now G and X fall off Iceman. I don't think that's how it's really going to be viewed by the anticipation with fans. Yeah, I get what Roy is saying. I think I think Kendrick's album after this is the one that people are really going like really going to be focused because Cole and Drake dropped. And then, yeah, we want to see what what Kendrick does. And then after that, I mean, if we're still on the shit, though, I don't really know it's still you. People are going to be on it to the end of time. But yeah, I do agree with you. Cole has always kind of had a song making ability. That's just the killie's house. It is. It is always been as a killie's here. If he because if he could make a song, he's good as he like he can make a song. Don't get me wrong. Makes great. But I mean, if he had that that hook, hit hook ability, like how we said that Cole don't get played in the clubs. Like if he had that hook, hit ability the way them other two had. I wouldn't. First of all, first of all, conversation. I'm just being honest. I wouldn't be no conversation. Listeners, I'm being objective here. Drake is over here when it comes to hooks. Like I don't even want to. That's unfair to even put him in this conversation. I think Cole can rival Kendrick in hooks. I think y'all are forgetting some of Cole's catalog. I'm not forgetting. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if Kendrick is light gears above J Cole when it comes to making solo hooks. I think he is. I didn't say light years, but he is significantly better at. Like years, but I think Kendrick makes better songs. He does. He does. No, no, no. I'm so I thought we were having a hook conversation. Songs. Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, Kendrick is one of the better songs. Yes, that's what we were talking just about specifically the hook. Some songs because we're not talking about the verses. I promise you, we never talk about the verses. Well, verses don't have to do with the song. No, but what I'm saying is water down their lyrics to make better songs. Like that. Yes, that happens. They do. But what I'm saying is when it comes to like hook and like the song, the ability to make a hit, a commercial hit, something that you're going to hear in the club, something that you're going to hear in Sears, something that you're all of that Kendrick is better at that than co significantly better at that than co and it might not be because cold. What it might be because cold just doesn't want to that might not be his box. Are we saying solo or like like we cannot not credit Pharrell with it's all right. Mm hmm. So I was saying solo solo. That's why I said, leave Drake out of this. Like by himself, it's clear that he knows how to make fucking hooks and songs. Those two solo by themselves. No other person on the hook. I don't again, I don't think it's that far apart as you guys are making it seem. OK, subjective. Yeah, I think I think just I think that couldn't be significantly. I'm not saying like years, but he's saying Sears playing shit in Target, whatever. Like it's all right. Is it a generational record? But that's not it loves that record. Let's let's don't even do that. That's a can of dark. But let's not act like that's not for a rel as well. Like I'm sure Kendrick put together this and that. I'm giving them all the credit, but that's also. But what are some what are some of both of their biggest Sears hit? So at the end of the day, yes, it's Pharrell, but the same resources. Don't save her. Don't save her. Say you want to be saved. The same resources. Let me talk the same resources that Kendrick has access to. And I'm not doing this to compare them, but we're talking about some of the greatest rappers. I'm only going to compare him to people who are worthy of him being compared to nothing has to do with the beef. If you're going to talk about resources, the same resources like Pharrell that Kendrick has access to, Cole has access to those same resources. So the ability to have this resource and know how to pick, pick a beat, pick a hit. Oh, yeah. Use people that are close to you. Yes. So that is a talent thing. That's not a I would never disagree with you. OK, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because at that point, I even think he's done great with Cole's done great with Miguel. And finally got that Achilles heel off him when he started to figure out how to make records with artists. I'm saying just then. So don't save it. I don't want to be saved. Yes. But how long is a fucking great hook? How long ago was that for 2014? But his focus was not to make target Sears hits after Forest Hills. OK, that's fine. But it doesn't even have to be targets. Nor was nor was I mean, Mr. Morale, like what what played Mr. I think all of them just stopped trying to do that. OK, am I wrong? Rory might have been right about the Wale Cole thing. You said that Wale is a better rapper than J Cole. I do not agree with that. I do not agree with that. But I think Wale is Wale specializes on that too. I think I think I think it's closer than I thought it was. OK. One thing is closer than I thought it was. Everything is a lie, but in this J. Cole album. But again, I think that's a song making issue. I think that's more about song. Wale is also rapping, too, though. For sure. As always. Because I thought about that when I listened to like I thought about what Rory said and I kind of like my knee jerk reaction was like, well, I've seen a lot. It might be closer than I thought it was. Wale is different, bro. It might it might be closer than I thought. I didn't want to do the comparison thing on everything. A lot is incredible. Yeah. And I'm not I hate to compare, but I'm just saying like albums that we got this year. I'm just listening. Yeah, for sure. You know, I mean, I remember how much I enjoyed listening to everything is a lot. And I'm just like, he was rapping on that. Songs was dope. Production was dope. Wale, to me, as far as lyricist is one of my favorite song makers. Period. It's just a lot. I'm not going to say he raps better than Cole. It's a lot closer than I thought it was. Because I remember I gave Rory shit about that. When he first said that, I was kind of like, you're saying a lot. Wale different. It might be close. Wale can rap his ass. It might be it might be closer than I thought. More people knew just how much he can rap his ass off. I don't agree with you. But he can rap his ass off. He could make hooks. He could make bridges. Wallets, though. He could make melodies. But we always knew Wale was dope. But I'm just saying, like, and listening to this. We'll tell you that he could do it. Yeah, it was Wale will not be shy about telling you how dope. If you didn't know. But yeah, after listening to this cold joint and then, you know, coming off everything is a lot. Yeah, it might be closer than I thought. That's all. So I got to give you. I'm not going to give you flowers. I'm just give you the device. That's what you say. One day you'll give you the vows and one day I'll get some flowers. Flowers die anyway. So the boss remains the boss. Maybe replaced with other flowers. Is it vase of us? It's a boss. It could be like data and data. It's like it's either New England versus anywhere else. All right. Yeah. However you put it. Yeah. Well, I think we did a pretty fair breakdown. Honestly, I was a little scared. I think that it's going to be worth. No, when I was I was a little scared coming into work because I thought I was I literally thought I was going to have to fight more. Like I thought I was going to have to know why you think you why? Why? Because you be making you be saying some shit sometimes. But I think that your breakdown of the album was very objective, very fair. And I think a lot of people are going to what the end in that says. I do not hate J. Cole. I know they try to paint it like I hate Cole because I don't think it's my man. Like I teached us by the clips. Yeah, I just I don't hate J. Cole. I'm a J. I argued with niggas in the barbershop about J. Cole before. Like y'all bugger this nigga's nice. I fuck with J. Cole. I just didn't like a decision and what happened. But that's you know, whatever. Water under the bridge. But I think that I think that everybody gave an objective, fair. And I think a lot of people echo our sentiment. So I want to say shout out to us. Good job. And to close, per usual Eve and Cole, you guys do the best marketing I've ever seen. You know what, Cole, if you listen to your night, I wish you all wouldn't listen to this. Oh, no, he listen. He listens to this. He listen. You hit me, nigga. I fuck I'm just I can't jump. The problem nobody can joke no more. May everybody. Oh, God, the death of podcast was when we couldn't shoot the same. Cole, I love you. Every word we say has to be in. In the fucking around. Appreciate. We appreciate. We'll say. Oh, thank you. This podcast. If this was your last album, like I said, with my camera. Hey, Cole, let me tell you what this better not be. This better not be your last album. You cannot go out like this. Ain't no fucking way. He can't. This ain't his last album. No way. And he kind of alluded to it. Like, even if it was a flawless 24 tracks, this still would not be his. I don't believe it's less. Yeah, this ain't his last. If this is your last project, I just want to say thank you for all of us. Without what I got. I can't. Lost. You got swept in the finals. You cannot go out like this. Fuck it. I said it and I fuck with Cole, but that's why I can say what I say because I fuck with him. You can't go out like this. He said, no, you don't. You think I don't fuck with Cole? Do fuck with Cole. Why? That's the problem. I feel like if you fuck with somebody, you can only say good things. Like, why you can't just be real? I'm not friend. I'm going to let you know, like, oh, that wasn't it. Go back in there, cook up that shit and come back. All right, Cole, if this is your last album, I want to say thank you so much for everything that you have given us over the course of your career. Baby D. OK, but if it is given to you, you talk to you, give an old bitch where this is not his last album. I promise you, this is not. I hate it here. He got way too much more shit to talk about, way too much more to talk about. This ain't his last album. I would like for you to release more songs about being an avoidant commitment foe because legacy is perfect. So you would like to him? Talk about more being an avoidant commitment foe, like those songs, like legacy, like, you know, I really want to be in love with you, but like the hoes, but like I'm gonna hit you up after the fall, though. Like that, I need more and more cold songs like that. People send me at three o'clock in the morning. You know, that'd be type shit. But thank you, Cole. Thank you so much. And to you say to what to call. I look forward to the next time. Same. I look forward to the next one. This ain't the last one. I would like a fall off hoodie if anyone from Dreamville is listening. Why don't you go on the website? They haven't got them. I don't. I didn't know they were for sale. I just saw the influencers. Get out. You think they got it? No, a lot of the influencers got them. Like they were sent. It was like special merch that was sent. That's what I was. Oh, they probably got it early, but I'm sure that's they're going. So I didn't know. OK, I'll go by one. Nevermind. Yeah. All right, well, now we wait. I'm riding my bike to go get one over there. And we'll start a fire as she has hands. I'm just saying, man, you know, you have a release date for us since you damn near guessed this one. I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, Iceman this Friday. What more say what you said? He laughed at me. Iceman this Friday. Do you guys have any comments about the Drake leak? Oh, I didn't mean to do my hands like that about the Drake leak on the day of the fall off release. I didn't hear it, but whatever it is, it ain't on Iceman. I can tell you that. It's just always. He said you heard it here first. None of what you all are hearing on the internet is on Iceman. I can promise you that it's not none of that shit. And we'll find out on Friday. We will find out. Is not coming on Friday. Hell no. I don't think Iceman is coming on Friday. All right. Well, we wait and see. Cold World Iceman. How much? All right. How much time do you think? A what? In between of the album that he's going to let the cold shit breathe. All right. I know when the album is coming out. Of course, I'm not saying it, but I know you're not going to say it. And you haven't told me anything. Yeah, I guess I'm trying to like get. Is it going to be a long time or is it going to kind of be a good time? It may cost you a little. It may cost you a lot, but it will cost you. It's going to be a good time, Rory. That's all. That's all we need to know, man. Everybody listen, man, to do some cold shit and drive my mother's Mazda up to Toronto for the release. I don't know if the Mazda. It's a fun drive. I love the Mazda. Make it. You've never done a Toronto drive? Have I ever done a Toronto drive? Montreal one. That's a different. Yeah, of course I've done a Toronto drive. Toronto is this way. Montreal is straight up. I've done a Toronto drive. That's a fun drive. It is. It's a big drive up the can. You guys want to pack up in the Mazda? No, but enjoy the Cope album. Enjoy that. Let's enjoy that album. Shout out to Don Toliver, incredible project. I heard he dropped to that octane album. Don Toliver. Hey, listen, man, I'm going to go ahead and say it. Don Toliver is better than Playboy Cardi. You heard it here first, Beach. Clip it. I agree. I think Don Toliver is whoever. No pushback. I've been trying to tell me Playboy Cardi is. I think that's who Don Toliver is. No pushback here. I've seen him go and perform before Bad Bunny. In front of I don't know how many thousands of people. And tore that shit down. This octane album add to the discography of Don Toliver. I don't think he's missing this discography yet. This album is this Don Toliver album is crazy. I got to listen. I also have to listen to Ella May's album. Yes, I've heard it before. No shade to Playboy Cardi, but I think that the hot. Are you trying to sell me on Cardi and I can't really like get it? Like I don't understand it. I think that's who Don Toliver. Well, I mean, I'll say shade. Like I don't even think it's comparable as far as talent level goes. That's just me. And they be trying to say this because we old niggas. But I don't think so because when they put me on the NBA, young boy, I'm like, nah, I get why I like this. No, young boy. I still don't get really semi-shitty. That's it. All right. That's that shorty. Send me. I'll be in the. I know the neighbors is like, yo, who is who lives here? Because I'll be in there and play it. I'll be playing me a young boy like I'm a young boy. Now I fuck with me a young boy. But yeah, that Don Toliver octane. I'm right. That's that album is incredible. I love that project. And we can close shout out to Brittany Renner. She's now a Christian. Yeah, but what episode? You know, I be like in my niggas, too. Like if I had a if I fuck around, ran into a Muslim, I might. Oh, I love that. I might. Oh, you a Muslim now. I might I might convert. Like I'll be like in my niggas, too. So you would a Muslim. You have to. You have to what she did. And then she left a Baton Rouge legend and then became Christian. Whatever the fuck she's with now. Yeah, I love it, man. Just let love live. Let love Jesus does. I'm gonna let love die. No, no, not I'm staying around. Let love fly. There you go. You know what I'm saying? That's it right there. That's the closing. I'm not nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.