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I remember especially in the holidays. I remember one time I was talking to my therapist during the holidays and she described it as her busy season, which is why she's always kind of around during the holidays. It's not like when the therapists don't take vacation. No, no, no, no. A lot of them don't anyway. This month don't wait to reach out. Whether you're checking in on a friend or reaching out to a therapist yourself, betterHelp can make it easier to take that first step. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com slash love it. That's betterhelp.htlp.com slash love it. What's up Los Angeles? Welcome to Love It or Leave It Live at Dynasty Typewriter. We have got a great show for you tonight. Henry Winkler is here. You know him from 1600 Penn. Maybe some of his other work. The hilarious Mo Amher is here. And the three of us are going to answer some questions, rank some Gentiles, and share some complaints. But first let's get into it. What a week. Hey, do you guys remember last week? Yeah. And how funny it was. Remember how Democrats won big on election night? And then we all lived out at CricutCon. And we were riding high. Alas, we can flip that days since Democrats were huge pushy's sign. Back to zero. That's right, a group of eight Democratic senators struck a deal with Republicans to end the government shutdown this week without extending Obamacare subsidies as Democrats had demanded. Unbelievable. It's like they didn't even see Barack Obama's surprise appearance at CricutCon. Other Democrats were furious about the agreement with many calling for a shakeup at Senate leadership. But could another Senate leader do this said Chuck Schumer revealing that he somehow does the wordle with pen and paper? And the senators who caved didn't make the best argument for their decision. Here's main independent and guy who looks like he's named Angus King, Angus King, on Monday. In terms of standing up to Donald Trump, the shutdown actually gave him more power, exhibit A being what he's done with snap and snap benefits across the country. So standing up to Donald Trump didn't work. It actually gave him more power. Hey man, shut the fuck up. There's a hundred ways you could defend that vote without saying we tried too hard. Standing up to Trump gives him more power. He's not powered by hopes and dreams. He's a fascist, not Santa's sleigh. But it's also unclear how continuing the shutdown would have led to a better outcome. And the truth is the best and easiest politics is to rail against the Democrats who caved to Trump and to cry their lack of a fight. But doing it in a world where the government is open, like how the best position for me to be in is to say, damn, I was really looking forward to our hike in a world where it is raining. And I am already downloading Hades too. There are many ways in which Chuck Schumer has been a weak leader and a weak communicator, but that doesn't mean a different leader would have produced a different result. After all, we achieved our number one goal, which was to fuck up all the flights at JFK. That, I don't think that's right. No, the shutdown focused the country's attention on healthcare and affordability and Trump is finally feeling the heat. Trump put it best himself. So I don't want to hear about the affordability because right now, we're much less... Oh, you don't want to hear about affordability? I don't want to hear about YouTube title SEO, but these are the careers we've chosen. Here's Laura Ingraham of all people pressing Trump on this. Is this a voter perception issue of the economy, or is there more that needs to be done by Republicans on Capitol Hill? Or done in terms of policy? More than anything else is to conjo by the Democrat. So are you saying that voters are... Are they misled at the time? Are they misled at the time? Are they misled at the time? So when I took over, you remember? Because you said Biden did that too, because he was saying things are great. I think so. Oh my god, sorry, continued Ingram, reaching for a glass of water. That felt like a hiccup, but the sound that it made was journalism? I'm so sorry. My apologies, Mr. President. Man, a week ago, he's like, I'm president for life. Week later, Laura Ingraham's like, are you too much like Joe Biden? CNN even played Trump in Biden's side by side. People saying they're anxious about the economy. Why are they saying that? I don't know that they are saying, I think polls are fake. We have the greatest economy we've ever had. Look at the Michigan survey. For 65% of America, people think they're in good shape economically. I think the nation's not in good shape. They're personally good shape. The polling data has been wrong all along. Post Obama, the country wanted old defensive white male cranks, and we're just getting it out of our system. And I was thinking about this. If we go Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump, Obama, it will be like, it'll be nicely symmetrical. Like how it went, James I, Charles I, first, into Rednam, Charles II, James II, in England. Are you not laughing because you don't know about England? Are you not laughing because you're here to see Henry Winkler? In a panic, Trump has been tossing out half-baked ideas over the weekend. He suggested sending $2,000 tariff rebate checks to all but the wealthiest Americans and using the rest of the revenue to pay down the debt. Sounds nice, except the new terrorists have generated about $117 billion in revenue. To give half the country $2,000 would cost several times that. Tariff rebates aren't like 90,000 square foot ballrooms. They don't just pay for themselves. Treasury Secretary and gay trader. Scott Besson was asked about this idea on Sunday and he was clearly caught off guard. The $2,000 dividend could come in lots of forms in lots of ways, George. It could be just the tax decreases that we are seeing on the President's agenda. It could be a check you receive or it could be nothing. Another option is nothing. But Trump's instinct here isn't wrong. He promised that tariffs would magically make life better but all they've done is driven up costs and fucked with people's livelihoods. We learned this week that the Trump administration is considering a 107% tariff on Italian pasta. As if Andrew Cuomo's November wasn't bad enough. Italian pasta makers are pleading with the administration to reverse course saying stuff like, mom and me. 107% that's a spicy meatball and it's me, Mario, telling my wife where to find a delight insurance policy while a sobbing. Epstein alert. Epstein alert. All right folks we got an Epstein alert. Staying your seats. It either means he's escaped his paddock or Epstein's back in the news. Yes, as the shutdown came to a close and Democrats returned to their natural state complaining about how Democrats never have a message. In part because Democrats prefer talking about how Democrats never have a message instead of actually having one. The House Oversight Committee made public for the first time a massive trove of Jeffrey Epstein emails and I hope he's dead because if not I think he'd die of embarrassment. So many typos. There are 23,000 pages worth of correspondence including emails between Epstein and his pimp girlfriend, Glein Maxwell and one email to reporter Michael Wolfe that said plainly Trump quote, new about the girls Epstein's other emails mostly rejections from the New Yorker Shouts and Murmors section. It turns out that's actually why he killed himself which is kind of sad. In one 2011 email to Maxwell Epstein wrote, I want you to realize that the dog that has embarked is Trump. Victim spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. This is the main way that Trump is different from my dog. Replied Maxwell, I have been thinking about that. And replied Atlantic Editor-in-Chief Jeffrey Goldberg, I'm sorry why am I on this? In January of 2019 in an email to Wolfe Epstein weighed in on the rumor that Trump kicked him out of Marlango saying Trump said he asked me to resign, never remember ever. Of course he knew about the girls as he asked Glein to stop to stop what? Just like Epstein to leave us hanging. In response, in response to a 2018 email from a New York Times reporter, Epstein said Trump feels alone and is nuts. I told everyone from day one, evil beyond belief mad and most thought I was speaking metaphorically, it's obvious he could crack stormy Daniels lies after lies after lies. It's like I'm always saying, if only America had listened to Jeffrey Epstein. In one damning email, Epstein implies that he'll be spending time with Trump over the Thanksgiving holiday. Was this before Epstein's plea agreement in 2008? Was this before Trump claimed he had a falling out with Epstein? Was this before Epstein had apparently stole Virginia Dufre, who worked at Marlango? No. According to this email, Epstein implies he was going to see Trump over Thanksgiving in 2017 while Trump was president of the United States. You can't part in the turkeys that have Thanksgiving with a pedophile. You have to pick one. And if these emails weren't bad enough for Trump, as the shutdown ended, Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, had run out of excuses for refusing to see Democrat Adelaide Tegrahalva, who won her special election back in September and promised to be the 218th vote on a petition introduced by Republican Thomas Massey and Democrat Rokana to force the release of the Epstein files by the Department of Justice. No, no, I knew what you meant by time to get shredding. Said Cash Rattell, awkwardly trying to hide a skateboard behind his back. ABC News reported that White House and DOJ officials met with Lauren Bober to try to convince her to remove her name from the Epstein bill in a last-ditch attempt to stop the vote from succeeding. But much like in the security footage of a Denver production of Beetlejuice, Bober kept a firm hand. Bober subsequently told reporters she is all in on the Epstein petition telling the press, I'm a co-sponsor of the bill, I'll force the vote. Yes, like her date at a family-friendly musical, this vote is coming. On Wednesday, Grahalva took the oath of office and soon after signed the petition, and with the bill now certain to head to the House floor, it looked like as many as 100 Republicans would add their names as well, which means Trump has to go to Plan C, loading all the Epstein files onto a speedboat in the Caribbean to blow it up by Hellfire Missile. Massey explained his support for releasing the files even though he's a Republican. You know, I vote with my party 91% of the time, which means I agree with the, I have agreed with the president 91% of the time, but they, when they're protecting pedophiles, when they are blowing our budget, when they are starting wars overseas, I'm sorry, I can't go along with that. Even if protecting pedophiles makes up less than 9% of the Republican agenda, it still seems like way too much, like if Subway came out and said their bread was only 9% of the time, I wouldn't say my cold cut trio was 91% awesome, I would not eat there. All of this has left Trump fuming and floundering in his gilded cage. His bullying isn't working on Republicans anymore. The administration is now saying the Epstein story is a hoax and a distraction from their victory, according to White House spokesperson Caroline Levit. Caroline Levit, It is not a coincidence that the Democrats leaked these emails to the fake news this morning, ahead of Republicans reopening the government. This is another distraction campaign by the Democrat in the liberal media and it's why I'm being asked questions about Epstein instead of the government reopening because of Republicans and President Trump. But also, Caroline Levit is making the point that the shutdown permanently ruined their proof of how good the economy is. The Democrats may have permanently damaged the federal statistical system with October CPI and jobs reports likely never being released and all of that economic data released will be permanently impaired, leaving our policy makers at the Fed flying blind at a critical period. The shutdown ate their homework. In the midst of a shutdown, Democrats performed so well in the election, it's made Republicans afraid that their gerrymanders might actually cost them house seats. The shutdown successfully focused the entire country on Trump's failure to deliver on his promise to make the necessities of life more affordable and the end of the shutdown has turned the nation's focus entirely onto the administration's cover-up of the Epstein files, which can only lead us to one conclusion. Chuck Schumer should resign as Senate leader and run for president. We've got a great show for you tonight. Coming up, I've got questions and Henry Winkler has answers. We'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Levit or Levit coming up. Levit or Levit is brought to you by Laundry sauce. The holidays are in full swing, celebrations, gatherings, cozy nights in and all the cast that comes with the season. One thing that doesn't take a break, laundry. Whether you're hosting family, heading out for parties, you're just trying to keep up with the holiday rush. One thing's for sure, Laundry doesn't quit. 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Thank you for being here. I am so happy. How did you pick this place? It's closer to New York than it is to my house. I don't know. Yeah. But it's a nice theater. It is a nice thing. It's like a Korean time you can get Korean barbecue if you want. Or you mean close? Close enough? Yeah. Oh my god. Korean. You have Korean barbecue ever? I've had Korean barbecue once and I had to work too hard to eat it. Do you know I had to make it myself? Yeah. So you recently celebrated your 80th birthday. I did. Thank you. Thank you. You know and it was so hard for me to actually wrap my tongue around the number. The people would say so how old do you now? And I would go like, I could not say, hey, yeah. Do you think it makes it less true when you don't say it? It does not make it less true. No, my knees are 80. Yeah. They sometimes take an Uber home on their own. Well, in celebration of this milestone, I'm here. We're introducing a segment called 80 for 80. 80 for... For those at home, we are, is that me? That is a version of you of what could have been. This is 80 for 80 in the style of 80 for Brady. Yeah. I think we look great. No. And so we have, we're going to try to get through as many of 80 questions as we can. In honor of your 80th birthday, Milwaukee was constantly declared October 30th, Henry Winkler day. Happy days was set in Milwaukee. Previously I've erected the bronze fans. Yes. Do you have to be able to pull off a leather jacket to achieve your level of acclaim, you think? Do you know I was not able to wear leather in the beginning? I had to wear cloth because ABC thought I would be associated with crime. So at a very hard to be cool in cloth, I am not kidding. The collar did not stay up. It's very funny to imagine a time in which this was dangerous. This sweet, this sweet character with his leather jacket and white t-shirt. We had Rob Reiner on. And Rob Reiner had played a tough in the style of the fans where he had worn a leather jacket. But it's like, I'm sorry, but this is just a sweet Jewish boy on a motorcycle. Well, they wanted a tall Italian. And they got a short Jew. That is true. But I loved it. I really did. I loved it. And you know, my parents were shorter than I was. And they were from Germany. And they were really not supportive at all. And they would call me Dumahunt, which means dumb dog. What? Yes. Because I'm very dyslexic. So I didn't do well. I'm in the bottom 3% academically in America. And then that jacket, I called my parents. I said, well, Dumahunt's jacket is now in the Smithsonian. Wow. Do you ever, do you ever feel insecure about being short? I, I feel insecure about almost every single thing. It is only in the last 10 years. I, I saw myself as a, a blog, honest to God, as a block of Swiss cheese filled with holes. And in the last 10 years, I have tried to make myself into a block of cheddar. What is it? So you really feel like, so when you were, when you turned 70, you were carrying some of the insecurities you carried when you were being called without a doubt. Really? Yes. And in the last decade, you shed some. Because you know, unless you actually do some work, you are who you are. And that doesn't go away no matter what changes. Your age, your, your physicality, the inside pretty much stays the same. It is really up to you to make yourself more whole. And do you think you talked about being dyslexic? One of the children's book that's just coming out, right? You were one of the children's books you've written recently. Okay. Can I brag? Yes. All right. The 40th, my 40th children's book came out September 30th. Thank you. Can I, I would, I would like to say, and no pressure at all, but the holidays are coming. And I, it's about a little duckling who dreams about being a detective and she's an environmentalist. Yeah. And the duck is not dyslexic? The duck is not dyslexic. But there's an overture. The writer is. Yes. But did you write? Hang Zipser. Hang Zipser. It's 28 novels about a little boy. Me. Okay. Great. Great story. PS87. I went to PS87 on 78, just up the block from where I was born and raised and grew up on on 78th between Broadway and Amsterdam. So PS87. And I went there and I read Hang Zipser because he also goes to PS87. You write what you know. And so I, I went to one an award show and there was Timothy Shawame and I went up and I said, I have to shake your hand because you are really terrific at what you do. He said, I'm a hugger. And so he gave me a hug. I was thrilled. And then he said, the first time you came to PS87 with Hang Zipser, I was in the fourth grade and I was in the audience when you read the book. Oh my god. Wow. Little Timothy. Yeah. But the boy in that book has dyslexia. He is me. He is you. Yes. So the emotionality of that little boy in the book is true and the comedy, my writing partner, Lynn Oliver, we, the comedy we made up. But what I'm going to someone I'm asking is, do you think your insecurities came from dyslexia? Like how much of a role did dyslexia play in writing? Well, you know, I took geometry for four years, same course. I took it in regular school and in summer school, regular school summer school, regular school summer school. And I finally passed it with a D minus so I could go to the one college that accepted me, Emerson in Boston. And thank you. Yeah. I got in and I nearly got kicked out, but I got in. And from that day in August of 1963 that I passed with a D minus, not one person has ever said hypotenuse to me. But sometimes you're figuring out which direction to go. And then you think, I know I left because it's the arm I stick out the the window when I'm driving. That's how I know my. Really? I struggle with that too. You know what I struggle with? I have to get in the map like on friends. I got to rotate that map. Whatever direction I'm facing, I got to turn the map fully around. Is that true? Yeah. I can't read the map. Boy, we'd be we'd be terrible at the amazing race. Or would we? That is I'm fascinated by that show, but I know my limitations. When you have to make a doll out of leaves and have somebody who doesn't speak your language at all, God, that you've made it the doll correctly. I would be I would still be there. Close that to connect their flights a lot. They got to connect. So when you you didn't get diagnosed with dyslexia till you were 31, I wasn't diagnosed. My steps on Jed was in the third grade. Very verbal, very funny. Couldn't get his homework done. And we had him tested and everything they said about Jed was true about me. And then I realized, oh my God, I'm not a domo hunt. I've got something with the name. You want to hear an opposite story? I do. About about confidence. When I was a little boy, I was very good at math, but I was not a good reader. It turned out that I was seeing double some of the time, which was a hindrance. But the teacher led me to a section in the library that was said had the easy to read books. So I went home and I told my mom, I've done it again, mom. They brought me the section of the library for the kids that find it easy to read. Are there any roles you wish you had taken but ended up passing on for logistical reasons or things that just didn't happen? No, you know, I always thought that if I was supposed to do something, I would have happened. But I was offered Greece, Danny Zuko. And I thought, you know, I've done the fons now for 10 years. I've got to move on. So I said, no, I went home. I had a ginger ale. And then John Travolta took the role. He went home and bought a plane. Who? Listen, here's the thing. Here's the thing. You buy a plane. Now you got to think about what's happened with my plane. Where is it being kept? Who's keeping an eye on it? It's true. It's a lot of work in a plane. It's true. You know, yeah, I could have donated it to Qatar but so you have a TV series hazard of history with Henry Winter. Yes, I'm on that now. So I've never done this before. And of course, this is crazy because the show is on the history channel. It is about all of the crazy stuff that people did either for entertainment or to make money. I'll give you an example. Seven up. Born 1927. Bubbly, refreshing, citrusy. And the tagline was, we will take the edge off because it was laced with lithium. God, what a time that was. What a time. What a time. Where people were like, oh, do you have a headache? We have this new thing, heroin. No joke. I did that. But anyway, we did eight episodes and they just picked us up for 30. Now, here's the crazy thing. All I do is read on that show. I have to read copy for days. And I read the tale of two cities. Well, I didn't. I read the cover. Okay, thank you. Do you? I like that woman, but you've been a you. Do you have like a technique to deal with the fact that sometimes dyslexia makes it hard for you to learn lines? Like, what? I, you know what I did. I would audition. I would memorize as much as I possibly could. I would then during the audition forget. And I ad libbed. And they said, excuse me, that is not what we wrote. I said, I'm giving you the essence of the character. It worked. Wow. Do you think it might have something to do with your raw charisma and kind of an energy that I was captivated to even think about that I had raw anything? I'm not kidding. I was just fighting for my life. Do you remember starting in the short live 1994 sitcom Monty? I know. Oh my god. So, I read the written by one of the people who was writing for Gary David Goldberg at the time. And it was so funny, but it was so controversial. I would play Rush Limbaugh with a gay daughter. And it was so funny. And I said, I'm so sorry, I can't do it. And then I would think about it. And I called him up. And I said, well, I rethought, no, I can't do it. And the third time I said, yes. So I learned a big lesson from this show because we did it. And then somebody at NBC sought and said, not on my network. And so I had tickets to go to New York for the upfronts, you know, where they sell time for advertisers. And then they took my ticket away. And then we sold it to Fox. So Fox, they had the brilliant idea. We're not going to have a gay daughter. David Schwimmer is going to go to college and study law, but come back and want to be a chef. That was the controversy. So instead of a gay daughter, it was a son that was like cooking. And because that was very, people don't remember this. In the early 90s, cooking was coated as very gay except I don't believe that. But here it is. This is the lesson. When you say yes to something and they tried to bastardize it, go home. Do not do not go down that path. It never works out well. Huh. Or good. Because you know, I mean this show called 600 Pan. But it was a good show. It was a great show. But the original pitch was that the that was a much like darker comedy. And the first lady was going to be like, Ronci and cheating on the president. It was going to be a darker show. And I remember being on a notes call with some studio executives. And they were like, we love it. But have you thought about. Think about this. Instead of the first lady being a drunk who's sleeping with the Secret Service agents and hates her husband, what if she is a working mom trying to have it all? And I was like, well, I don't know that that's as funny. And they're like, well, if you don't do it, I don't know that you're going to make this show. And I thought how am I going to go home and write what they're asking for? No, but I understand that. I mean, you what you this is your dream of getting a show. You now have a shot at getting it produced. You're trying to make yourself into a pretzel. And here's the lesson that you know, you then put in a dog. And then you put in a best friend. And then you know, you take out a character that might be African American. And they cancel you. And you say, but I did everything you said. And they went, that was your first mistake. That's interesting. It's a lot to think about. It's a lot to think true. So happy days, heirs in 1974, but it was set in the 50s. So if we were to make a show now in 2025, it will be set in the 2000s. So your character had obviously famous catch phrases. I'm going to work here would be the Fawns catch phrases. See which one of these you would take for a show made in 2025 about the 2000s. Are you ready? Yes, I am. I'm the bomb calm. Check out the bling biatch. Talk to the hand because the face ain't listening. That's gay, biatch. That's one final question. Yes. When did we go through 80? It felt like it. It did. If do you have, was there anything about turning 80 that have you have a, has it? Do you have advice or wisdom that suddenly comes to you that you really, you turn 80 and then obviously like I got to tell the people? If I have advice at all, I learned to be quiet about advice. I used to have advice about everything and people would say to me, so you played a cool guy. How am I cool? How do I get to be cool? And my advice is to be authentically who you are, which is magnetic and powerful and cool. I like that. I like that. Henry Winkler, thank you so much. I'm so out of it. You're safe. Henry Winkler is going to scare. We'll be right back with no hammer. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It is brought to you by policy genius with rising costs sometimes. You're shocked by how expensive things are. When it comes to life insurance, 72% of Americans actually overestimate the cost of what life insurance will be. 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Secure your family's future with policy genius, head to policygenius.com slash love it to compare life insurance quotes from top companies and see how much you could save. That's policygenius.com slash love it. Our next guest has been Mohammed in Texas. Now he's waiting patiently backstage. Please put your hands together for the hilarious Moa Amher. Hi Mo. Hi. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. Henry Winkler. So cool. You get used to it in a minute. Yeah. Yeah you're right it's old. So I can't believe you're 80. You're looking beautiful baby. Very much. I can't believe it myself. God bless you. I definitely won't look like that where I'm eating. You're putting on some city miles? I think so. Yeah, some global global miles. Yeah. Yeah. But you've just been all over the world. I have, yes. On your tour. I did. I did. For my son and that's what keeps me young is my little boy. Really? Yeah. I think that would age you faster. Honestly I have never felt worse. You're right. It's really hard man. He's always wants to be on the floor. I don't want to sit on the floor. You see I can barely sit in this chair to be honest with you. Yeah I see. John and Tommy have kids and they seem exhausted. I'm like I'm tired too from watching all these streaming shows. So Mo. You have a Peabody, a worn-witting Netflix show called Mo. In the second season your character is seeking asylum in the U.S. it came out on January 30th. Correct. Are you disappointed with El Timely it feels? Yeah probably. On some level. You know you always dream about making it and you always think about it and I've always had a just such a love for storytelling. I never thought in my life I would ever be releasing a show that is depicting a Palestinian family living in Texas while everything is happening in the backdrop. It was easily one of the most gut-wrenching of artistic things I've ever done in my life. Yeah. This guy really quiet really quickly. So you just were able to know your Palestinian you were born in Kuwait. That's correct. You were refugee living in Houston. Yep. And so I think the question is... Refugee living in Houston yeah! I mean I'm seeking asylum fuck yeah! Same the question that people have about it though it's like what are the best places to eat? Yes. Ironically some of the best sushi I've ever had in the world. Caterobot. Come on. I'm dead serious. The best Indian food I've ever had in my life. It's in Houston. It's called Agas Incredible. Yeah. So like it does seem like this is your this show is coming out out of time when Americans are learning more about asylum, learning more about their refugee process. Like what why what like just talk about what made it such a wrenching thing to be making this show that is kind of inspired by your own experience. Sure. Well it took me 20 years to get my citizenship and I've always been highly highly sensitive about immigration and what it actually takes to get your asylum and layered with the fact that I'm Palestinian and knowing really understands what that is and certainly what's happened in the last two years has been you know I don't even know how to describe it other than devastation. And so it comes with an immense amount of responsibility like how are you going to tell this story and what are you going to do in a post-October 7th world and do you even jump into that or not and I tell us what within a lot I went back and forth so many times and I realized that that was like a clear trap you know if I did jump into that it would the show became didactic and you really didn't know anything about the characters and then I had this vision of taking the family to the West Bank and you know and and that would obviously not work as well. And then the show would come out a year after you film. So all the there's so many things are going to unfold within that year as well so you could pretty much time yourself out in a way where it makes it irrelevant so I made it very very clear and very purposeful that I was going to focus on everything that happened pre-October 7th. What kind of world was it like not only as an immigrant living in Houston but as a Palestinian what was that world like for us as a family and and kind of consistently in that and it's really contextual too because if you do entertain that then it becomes about that event and makes it look like this all started after October 7th which is not true as well historically so it was just a little out of responsibility and coupled with the fact that it's filmed in Houston it's the first ever narrative sitcom filmed in Houston and and I wanted Houston to be a backdrop and a character so so many things to think about and yeah and that's why I made those choices and even the season finale it ends on October 6th you know yeah and you mentioned not wanting to be didactic and I do think that there's something that has happened in the way that politics intercedes into like scripted television like fiction and there is a kind of I don't know often a lack of trust or insecurity on the part of the film maker, lack of trust in the audience to let a story just be a story like there's always now a moment in some kind of a piece of culture where the main character kind of turns to the camera and says let me tell you what the lesson is of all this right is that it's hard to avoid right that feeling like I need to tell people what I'm trying to tell them yeah it is hard to avoid but in this scenario it wasn't like I did entertain it and I did you know in our very small writing room and we did try to have these we did absolutely have very difficult conversations and we had to I think any writing room any creative situation you you must do that to get to whatever story you want to tell in this situation is based off of my life so I knew what the foundation of this was so I every time I entertained it it definitely felt like it was taking away from the whole story is it all we lost everything about each characters identity what they were going through what they were filtering through their emotions and I think the best way to tell any story really is to focus on each character and allow them to grow throughout the season also on top of that I'm a comedy I'm making a comedy show this is not you know a drama you know so it's very very it's a slippery slope if you get in there it felt like it was it was it was absolutely the wrong move and it would be indulgent if I did that and become maybe from my ego not really from what the story is is is needing yeah it's good it's a lot of people that think oh this is an indulgent and I like our feels no I didn't at all it was it was really really painful it was super painful and I'm recreating memories with with you know my grandmother is no longer here or my uncle is no longer here or my father is no longer here I mean the the amount of times that I you know I had to walk away you know I was directing I was acting I was show running I was like doing all these wearing all these hats and inside I'm just dying so many times I've probably died I don't know how many times but it felt like I died like a dozen times making the show and one thing you've talked about too is that being Palestinian is such a it requires somehow being first right like you don't just get to be leading a sitcom you're a Palestinian leading a sitcom and I'm wondering if you feel like you're gonna be on the other side of that feeling like you'll get to just be a funny person or if you'll if you feel like that somehow that's kind of I don't know that the culture makes it so central I gotta say this is the best interview I've had in years to be honest with you most people don't know how to ask these questions but I absolutely feel that way it's very frustrating early on in my career it's always like Arab American comedian or Muslim comedian it's all these attached you know things to who I actually am but I do feel like it was an important like an honesty thing with me in the audience it's like this is who I am this is where I come from because it's always these questions are come oh wait you're born and quit though but aren't you Quaidy like yeah no I'm not where your parents come from it's an ancestral thing is you okay so then you're Palestinian so you go to pals no no I'm not can't go back to pals and like all these questions would arise so it became a like this trust between me and the audience you have to know where I come from you know the whole story I'm also a Texan you know it just kind of covering all of that and now I do feel like I'm on the other side of that and quite frankly what have what's happened as in the last few years I've never felt free or my life this is the most free creatively I've ever been it's always you know I'm kind of walking on eggshells I felt like in certain scenarios and and I feel so relieved that I that I did go through that and I'm so grateful you know that I stuck to my guns and I really just went through that you know it felt like a fire you know it really did but I do feel like I'm on the other side of that it's beautiful Henry help me out no I think they're just listening I think they're just listening yeah no no no I don't well thank you I appreciate that's all I wanted to hear yeah cuz you like I just hit one thing could do I have to use my mic yeah okay so I just want to say one thing you in what you just said you said I stuck to my guns and ultimately that is one of the lessons of living on this planet hey don't go anywhere there's more of love it or leave it coming up love it or leave it is brought to you by bomb us this time of year it's sensory overload but one feeling we're still chasing cozy and bomb us has the sock slippers and basically everything to get you there there's something weirdly therapeutic about fresh socks and the sock scientists at bomb us have found a way to channel that energy into everything from slippers with sink and cushioning to the perfect fitting ankle sock and that feeling it doesn't stop after one where it keeps going 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think that this game is fine so we are going to rank we are going to rank these Gentiles playing semites and on a scale from halal and kosher to haram and trayf the most kosher slash halal will be number one the one that's the most haram slash trayf will be number eight okay here we go first up and again you don't know who will be next I think I'm going to come up on screen yeah okay cool first up we have kylian murphy as a theoretical physicist jay robin ipenheimer in 2023's oppinheimer here's the real oppinheimer it looked exactly like comedian and next week guest patrygan oh my god he does a little bit yeah so we have kylian murphy playing oppinheimer hmm what do we think on our scale I'm going to two you think it's a good do you think it was good I think you did a good job oh my god I think it was a good performance I was missing a little um kishkas you know what I mean I was I was yeah so much kishkas so it's missing I you know this game is like they're tricking us a little bit you gotta know they're gonna set us up you know they're putting it up there so if you put them too high then you might be in a tricky situation I understand I'm sticking to my guns okay next up we have two it is two it is next up we have ray finds voicing the pharaoh ramsys in 1998's prince of Egypt eight no eight you don't even need to finish that's an eight for you that's an eight they're all eight why don't you just think for a moment about the advice you gave tv legend henry winkler a moment ago I'm gonna add a nine on there all right next up we move all right we're gonna put them in eight last henry wikler chimes in it's good hey no no you should tell mowies wrong about this I will not do that and again we think that this game is fine shit wait jafar is gonna be next to I think so seven can I change seven seven seven seven seven this is gonna be a jafar something in there next up we have Rachel braznan is comedian midge maizel and amazon prime videos and marmelis miss miss miss maizel she was good two two two what do you think you already had two already I'm sure that's why it told you shouldn't put them in two I'm okay with that I I thought she was great I think she's great too and she's a lovely person oh then you should have given her one if you thought that much not that lovely kidding we're losing at this game we have two a and two b yeah I know with the judges are gonna be furious with me okay they're back there all right next up we have alliguinness as prince faesal in 1962's loren's of Arabia uh 20 it's pretty bad a solid 20 pretty bad it's pretty bad now you were telling us backstage that you also turned this part down right henry winkler well that would have been a two I was there at the beginning of film but that I I thought he was wonderful I really he's such a good actor this guy yeah makeups tough but he was because he also wasn't a Jedi okay let's just why he's made me gotta soften up for him no you know okay all right okay all right go with nine it's your fault you know everybody that's the problem I never met him I just what I I was yes all right he's a lovely person we had coffee oh that's 76 oh but I I met I met um miss no you met him no I never met him oh I wish I had though just stayed over to his house on weekends I just do I had seven before us go six six okay okay okay I'll just finally answer next up we have Rachel McAdams as orthodox Jewish lesbian sd kuperman in the city sorry I don't mean to laugh I thought it's really funny I don't think I saw it but just based off of the two you can't somebody's gotta be down on the list wow why is it you guys are more like okay with the roles that that they're playing and clearly how racist the shit that I'm watching it's like much much worse yeah it's interesting okay yeah patterns interesting yeah next up we have Antonio Bender I'm gonna say that's a three yeah that's a solid three right to three yeah maybe four Antonio Benderis as Ahmed have been fondlond in 1999's the 13th warrior Jesus we're getting closer you know yeah we're getting closer getting warmer yeah I'm saying like at least the complexion is there you know I mean you don't be cool what number oh well you've been so pushy all the sudden you're right you're right it does wear off after a few minutes somebody get him a leather jacket it's raining outside that's so sorry no no it's all right I love you so much yeah it's six six okay okay six you know what's interesting the name Antonio Benderis is a beautiful name but then if you met somebody in English whose name was Tony flags it would also be cool yeah I'm Tony flags cool different cool different cool Antonio Benderis and Tony flags it's cool I love it all right next up he looks he looks he's concerned he is he's good Felicity Jones a Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in 2018's on the basis of sex you know I the tarred you know it's hard it's not kink the the the portrayal of Arabs has a much more racial element in the photos and I'll say but and the Jewish portrayals what's not coming across these photos is the lack of Jewish energy in the performances because we had our David Krumoltz on the show last weekend he was in Oppen I you got a lovely I worked with him when he was 13 yes on on on Monty he was my son he was your son on Monty yes of course but when he shows up in Oppen I just say I don't care whether she was good or not as a Jewish I would date her and that's a two and that's a two that's also a two and that's going to have to be a two but Krumolt shows up in Oppenheimer and it's like all but and it's Killian Murphy sitting in Crossman I agree he did a great job performing it but that's a guy with bagels in his pockets you know what I'm saying it's but I don't know where you're saying it's true he is David Krumoltz is a limitless he is one of those actors who just is good at everything he is just good take it that sound bite I want to put Mo in the middle of we can we'll do a sore it's good at everything thank you for kind of say it's get that you want to see the last one it was really bad wasn't it let's show the last one show the last one it's Eugene Levy as Mr. Habib and Father the bride part two that's 55 just the just the just the chastly chastly being thrown around solid solid 75 a hundred it's a hundred it's a look at her she's not even feeling good about the whole situation she's like I don't know they named him Mr. Habib like this is not right he's spit at my face three times just trying to pretend he's speaking Arabic is his rough yeah it's not good I love him though he's a great actor we had coffee one time he and I no we didn't know what's what's interesting is you've achieved such a level of success that they didn't know you were choking yeah that's exciting that's how I am out here mean Henry you're about to go do the town here in a second no no no no and it has nothing to do with you oh I know I got the sound bite what the hell do I care nice I think I'm out of questions specials called wild world by the way specials called that's what I wanted to say special specials called wild world on Netflix yes which you can check out and and the show is called Mo yes also on Netflix that's correct everybody check it out and you can watch Henry's show hazardous history on the history channel and pick up Henry's book detective duck the mystery at emerald pond it turns out that the mystery is how did Epstein kill himself it's a children's book forgot takes air go Epstein we'll be right back and we're back one no thank you to everybody who came to crooked con it made it possible a 10D speaker sponsors we couldn't have done without you I really do appreciate everybody that came to crooked con appreciate everybody that helped put it together everybody in the team that worked so hard really it was something that took years for us to get to the place where we could do and to have the team in place that could put on something as big as that I was generally 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All right end of flux. This week Trump gave us an adlipting gem on veterans day with this moment. If we die we must die and we as men would die without complaining Ironic since he complains every second of every single day in a celebratory reputation of his advice my guess and I will each share a complaint because life is about enjoying complaining until we die in a segment we're calling no complaints now to the wheel wherever lands you complain about something. Mo what's something you like to complain about. Enough enough of two-wheel luggage I don't want to see two-wheel luggage you dragging it behind you like an idiot like stop you taking over too much real estate you get there's four wheels exists okay you can roll it smoothly next to you it's perfect if I see you with no wheels on your luggage you and I are not friends ever okay if you're just carrying it sweating like a lunatic trying to get on planes smacking every other person when you're walking on the plane you and I cannot operate in the same universe that's it that was beautiful that was beautifully sad and so important and so important yes and so important let's spin it again you know it's funny I forgot we had a white board for ranking in the previous segment just didn't do it I was supposed to write it down I forgot well it's easy it's all twos what a dummy but I think if you've seen the previous twos it would have been chasing you know it would have led to maybe more respect for the format right but I didn't respect the format and you know what how how are other people going to respect my show if I don't respect my show exactly another lesson that maybe Henry could say to other people if you want to take that one you could take it no I'm going to leave it right here it is landed on Henry Winkler what is something you'd like to complain about okay I want I honestly I want to complain about two-wheel luggage I no no kidding Momo I I want to I want to complain about the lack of listening how did that happen in supposedly the greatest country in the world that critical thinking has just gone the way of you know clearing your plate into the garbage man I can't agree with you more 100% I can't stand it everyone is just they're not listening they're just waiting to respond oh and in such a terrible way terrible yeah I agree with you this is a great show thanks for saying oh my god this was wonderful and and enjoyed myself and enough I had such a great time yeah it's such a this is the bad I don't want it to be over I have a show at 930 I don't give a shit about the show anymore let's let's spin it again I think yeah really what I wanted to complain about is um people just putting their phone watching things on their phone in public with the volume I was oh with no headphones no headphones and it's the kind of civilization I was at pizza place in New York because I was in New York and if I'm in New York I only have two meals a day I have a bagel and then I have pizza that's it I have a bagel and I have pizza day after day after day after day and I don't feel great when I leave maybe that's why stop it I can't stop it so I was in a pizza place and there was a man at the table next to me on his phone watching videos and it was a little bit annoying and I go to take a bite of my pizza and when I say this man was watching what I can only imagine was just videos of women screaming just high-pitched shrieking and finally I just like I like turned to him and I was like volume I just look back at me and what are you gonna keep the fight going you gotta move on I'm a little man I'm not the where I'm not I'm not I'm not physically I don't know that he I don't know maybe it was a language but it was just it was sort of like a kind of like a and then back down into it's awful it's but what has happened to us I can't do it what has happened to people that's one of my biggest pet peeves though for sure it's out of control on the train on the train on the train on the subway everywhere airplane airplane having an airplane that you say some oh I mean that you say something I I pop up like a mere cat if somebody in my area I really do I really do and I will say something I will say something oh I'm the guy I'll say something to 100% and I think you have to have a sacred deal and the deal is this you can speak out about rude loudness but that means you have to be super supportive of parents that have a loud baby yes you have to be a defeat the the permission structure for being a scold of the volume is being a protector of the loud baby and even though it is annoying yeah it's a loud baby the baby doesn't know and the parents don't want to be on the plane with the baby so you side with them and that gives you a little bit of a good feeling for the battles ahead yes what I that's what I think my god nothing more stressful if your baby's being fussy on a flight it's like you're just dying and saying you're looking around like this doesn't happen that's where I'm trying just catastrophizing thinking everyone wants to kill you you know what I mean for this baby my son is a great traveler but every once in a while he was you know he wants to rock he wants to be free he's not even two not even two yeah and that's gonna make noise yeah it's gonna make noise it's gonna make it's gonna make noise I enjoyed the show I did too I did too it's Henry Wakeler it's Henry Winkler it's amazing it's Mo Amher that is our show we will see you next week at Dynasty typewriter there are 353 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