Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5002

Welcome to Pod Meets Twirled, a podcast that once chronicled two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars but watched a season and somehow walked away experts. From there, we ventured into Traitors, a show I'd never seen, but Will swore he could win. And now, we turn to Survivor, Season 50, The Big One. This time, the roles are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the first one. Meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are Will Friedle, who prefers his wilderness with room service, and Ryder Strong, who will hike any mountain but hates the beach. Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization, one who would never leave the woods if he could. Both reality competition scholars. Join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides, fire-making, sand-related misery, and 25 years of television history culminating in a single massive season. This is Pod Meets Twirled Seeking Immunity. What was your impression of the morning zoo show that we would start? Dingle in the dank. It's dingle in the dank in the morning. Here on 105 The Way. Wake up, LA. We're going to crank call puppets today. yeah i mean maybe we should just give up our survivor uh recaps and just go straight morning zoo radio show oh yeah and i feel like we need like three more people oh yeah oh yeah i mean a soundboard and then like we have somebody that we always annoy by calling like your mom you know we'll be like great we're gonna call will's mom for her opinion what's she gotta say about this, Will? God, that's funny. Yeah, we got it. Oh, I love it. Which one's Dingle and which one's the Dank is the question. We'll figure. We'll workshop. Dingle and the Dank. We'll workshop it later. It's got to be your Dingle. On the morning wood. Episode 6-5. Dingle and Dank coming at you with morning wood. That's always the weirdest. well i know we annoyed a lot of our listeners last week by um our severe lack of survivor knowledge um that is the point of the show i'm just going to remind you i have watched some survivor i obviously haven't watched enough did people not like it like what yeah just because yeah and i get it like i'm sure if you actually keep up with uh survivor history and uh these contestants in particular. Um, but we, I'm just, I, yeah, I've liked Survivor, but I've been a very casual watcher. Um, you know, I don't keep track of all the rule changes. It turns out that the new era is actually just that it's a shorter, um, a shorter period of time that they're on the island. Like they used to stay for longer and the game was slower to start. So like you didn't form, Like people just didn't play as aggressively, but in the new era, the game got condensed and there's just, it's a quicker pace. So I'd like to point out, I did read a couple of things where people said you were spot on about certain things though. Like the fact that apparently in the early seasons, they really concentrated on building the shelters and getting food and the actual survivor aspect. Right. This has nothing to do with that. No. Well, you did see this episode, they, they, they cut in a little bit about Rizzo being lazy. Yeah. Right. So they are doing stuff. They're just not like editing it in. you know like yeah they're only editing those moments in if they play into the social game strategy right like they're not including because i think people just got bored of like every season being about like oh my god i'm so hungry or i'm so cold um but i also think maybe people stopped complaining because they kind of knew what they were getting into um so that's the survival aspect is so low priority nowadays yeah um yeah it's interesting um i mean i'm not fully in yet i'll I know. I'm totally honest with you. I'm not fooling you. Because you prefer, like, alone, where it's really about what they're actually doing. Well, make it what it's about. If it's called Survivor, then give them no food, give them no fire, and let them win stuff, or whatever it's going to be. And then make it about, we've got to build a shelter, we've got to work together as kind of—it's almost Lord of the Flies. We've got to work together as a community. We've got to do this kind of stuff. But this is—it seriously seems to me like a bunch of people sitting around going, who should we vote off? Let's vote her off. No, I don't want to vote her off. Okay, let's vote somebody else off. Well, now we've got to go and do a challenge. Okay. And, and the whole, and I'm kind of going like, is this it? Is this, is this all they do? Yeah. It's, it's more like, you know, I think if you, if you hear Jeff Probst, especially talk about it, it's, he always calls it a social experiment. Right. And that is, it's, it's more about like, I think, yeah, they just, they've decided to play into the drama and the interpersonal stuff as the strategy, you know, as the game, it's, it's basically a game show with the, with the backdrop of an island. Yes. But the game show, the game is very rough physically. You know, like these challenges are no joke. You know, I don't understand how people are not getting hurt. Basically every episode. I know. Cause they do a lot of stuff where you're jumping and landing in the water the wrong way of it. And a lot of these people are not in their twenties. I mean, these are people that like Kobe, Kobe, this is, you know, my wife has talked about doing survivor. And my son has been pushing her to do it. And she's always said like, she would kill at the strategy. Like she loves the social strategy. She would be great at all. And she would, she would be genuinely, cause she's so good at socializing. Like she's good at like being friendly to people and getting them on her side, but she's also can be Machiavellian in the best way. But her biggest thing is the physical challenges and she's in good shape. She's just not in that kind of shape and she doesn't love like working out. You know, you have to like be like a person willing to really push yourself. But you said yourself though, they've changed it to where like, there's some people that are not on the island that aren't in the greatest of shape. So there are more kind of like, positions for those yeah exactly like it like it the whole team needs to do this so she could take kind of she just wouldn't enjoy it she just doesn't want to and she's like having to jump and swim and climb and do all that she's like uh no i'm not she's just not that person i think that would be the i couldn't do it i hurt myself i'm such a wimp you know like i just like i i i when i go into the woods i'm usually backpacking like walking very little you know i'm the whole experience for me is just the, um, the, the nature stuff. It's not pushing myself physically. Like I'm going into the woods this weekend with a group of friends and I'm, I'm really nervous because, um, one of my friends is on a big physical fitness kick right now. So he's like, we're going to be mountain biking this day. Then we're going to be surfing in the morning. And then we're, and I'm like, yeah, okay. I'll, I'll be, I'll take care of the meals. And I'm just trying to like make really lavish meals with lots of alcohol. So we're too hung over to do half of his that's my whole plan smart now you're camping no i'm just i'm gonna try but you know i'm like can we do e mountain biking like we get electric mountain bikes and we can so we will oh good where are you going uh near santa cruz okay nice yeah so uh out in the red thanks for inviting me i am busy this weekend and can't go with you oh you would you would you really come into the woods not a chance exactly a chance i'll do the drinking part but i can do that here well you could just hang out at the house and be at the cabin when we come back after our outing. I love it. Now we're camping. If you don't have every streaming service, camping. All right. Well, so to be clear, we're going to know some Survivor stuff. I cannot keep up with these characters. I've definitely seen a lot of the seasons that these people played in. I don't have the memory to keep track of them anymore. And the problem is I never watched any season live. Like I never, oh, actually that's not true. there was a, there was one period where I was in a survivor league, like a fantasy football league for survivor. And yeah. And it was, but it was all email based. So we never met in person. It was, it was like a friend of a friend. One, when they found out that I was into survivor, they're like, Oh, you got to join so-and-so's league. And he ran very, like had a whole point system. So there were maybe like 20 of us and I never did very well. But the whole point was that you picked your, your person, you know, your team, the first episode. So you could only, after the first episode, you had to pick three people that you thought were going to go to the end, or at least one of them would, you know, win. And then there was a point system based on if that person, if you're one of your teammates got eliminated, you lost, like if they lost, if they did well in an immunity challenge, you got points, you know, so you would get points based on like the, the, the different aspects of the game. So those like three seasons I watched live, um, otherwise everything has been completely out of order. Me and my wife and my son just being like, we haven't seen this season. We just click on it. So it's very hard to like keep together in my head. I'm hoping most of our listeners, our dear, dear listeners, as Danielle would say, understand that when we say experts, we're joking. What we really mean is we have no f***ing idea what we're talking about. And hopefully they understand the correlation between the two, other than dancing and traitors, of which we are actual experts. survivor were experts in that you've watched the show and I've heard of it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So let's get into this episode two. You overall thoughts. You are still you're not on board with the show. You're not. It's OK. It's OK. Again, if you're going to be people backstabbing and backbiting, which is what they did in Traders, do it with fabulous costumes in a castle. Wow. You know, I will say I very much like the challenges. Yeah. Because I think those are really cool. I think they're physical. But, man, it really is also showing you how it's like you need a big, strong person, guy or girl, on your team. Because when they're lugging the snake or doing that stuff, that's not for the faint of heart. This isn't super easy stuff. I know. So this isn't running through the woods trying to, like, hey, there's going to be bags of gold somewhere like traders. This is like grab a snake and they kill it. The traders challenge is just pale in comparison to these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think traders needs that. That needs to be upgraded. I agree. the rest of the kind of show of survivor a little bit. And he's like, I'm wondering if I would have liked the earlier seasons a little bit. I think so. Yeah. I think you're just, yeah. I think you kind of had this idea in your mind about like that Lord of the flies aspect, which is just, yeah, it's not, it's, it's people kind of walking around and just going like, we should be, I'm really interested to see how you feel though, because, you know, I think the, while the pageantry of traders is like super fun, it also, it also removes an emotional element, you know, of the experience. Like it's, whereas this, like by the end of the season, these people have really been through it. Um, I mean, you can, I mean, we can even talk about in our recap right now. Cause you know, the way that Genevieve is just crying about Kyle, you know, she says it, she's like, it seems ridiculous that I'm crying about somebody like just barely knew, but survivor is so intense emotionally and physically that they bond and they feel this like, you know, real connection with each other or hatred of each other. if that's the case. And so I think there's a level of intensity to Survivor that I, you know, in the sort of parlor game aspect, like the fun of Traders was just like, okay, yeah, whenever, like really actually even staying in this castle, right? Like, so I don't know. For me, I kind of like the higher stakes. Has there ever been like a fist fight on Survivor? You know, I'm not sure actually. The only time, I remember there was one challenge and I think they only did it once where they basically created a game that was sort of like basketball in the water where they just, you know, one person had to like carry a ball to a net, you know, a net and sink it. And there was no other real rules. And it got so intense because people were literally like trying to drown one another. You know, like they were like, there was like no, like, it was such physical contact. It basically became like ultimate fighter. And it was like, hold on. And I think they knew that they couldn't do that. Like it was just too dangerous. And these people cared so much that it did. It basically became like a fist fight or, you know, like I'm just going to take you out. And that was like, I think they clearly realized like, no, no, no, no, we can't. Like that has to be more sort of teamwork. And then when the individual challenges are much more just like, can you hold onto a pole? Like that's my favorite. There's one that says literally it's like a telephone pole. And they just, there's like little slots on it, like little ridges. and just hold on you just hold on and the whole thing is like how do you hold on and like some people like hug it some people are like holding them by the fingertips and like that was one that like ozzy did incredibly well like he just was comfortable just sitting up there and you just watch these people but it's so funny because everybody will be like fine fine fine fine and then like at minute 40 everybody just falls apart it's like 40 yes dude they stayed up there for like over a half an hour no joke just holding on to a pole that's the individual challenges to get really it's it's so impressive what these people do and what they put themselves through they really push themselves i started with a new personal trainer and sometimes he'll go all right just hold up your body weight and i'm like 30 seconds in i'm like there we go oh awesome look i think about like how i used to be able to just do pull-ups have you tried to pull up oh yeah they're insane they're it's insane like i don't think i could do one anymore i used to be able to do like 12 like when i was a kid or a teenager just be like yeah you know pull-ups now i'm like are you kidding me it's insane yeah it's insane all right so yeah the episode begins with kyle you know getting pulled on day four and genevieve crying and then q you know talks about the fact that they're his whole plan is kind of wrecked because he's lost his vote now kyle who was part of his alliance is out kobe lost kobe couldn't vote yeah colby can't vote because he's lost he can't vote right and q can't vote right so yeah they're really not much of a power alliance anymore but anyway they they decided to bring rizzo in um which is interesting like rizzo's come so you know and he admits he's like i came in too hyper and now i've had to tone myself down i think it's working and it is like colby's on his side which is super interesting but this is a new this is also a generational thing totally because i'm guessing this younger generation where they're like none of them are collecting sticks none of them are doing anything they're just sitting around i bet you they wouldn't have lasted on the original survivor never that's what i mean that's what i mean it's like so you can just sit there and not do anything and it's just about like i gotta get on a team and then i gotta vote somebody off and maybe i gotta carry some stuff and that's kind of it yeah so yeah it's more surviving the social aspect than it is see it to me it should be like an actual survivor thing at some point yeah i'm curious how you feel by the end though like because you go through like i think what ended up happening was that the survivor stuff overtook the show to a degree that it wasn't even fun to watch anymore you know it was like watching people literally starve to death and be tortured alone and it was like i you know like that's a lot it's heavy that's alone that's what that's what it is it's like it's more endurance than it is social and i think there's a reason alone is on a much smaller network yeah exactly you know like survivor is like one of the biggest hit shows of all time and i think it's because they figured out that like being able to project and put yourself in there that exactly you know which anybody you can you can watch it from your couch and go like i might be able to do this like I might be able to do this. And that is, that's important in gaining an audience. It truly is. Yeah. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. Over at Sela, there's this hysterical moment with Joe and Christian at the fire. Oh, and I knew the second I saw his face, the second I thought he was going to go throw up. I was like, Oh no, this is, and I was worried because of course, if you start throwing up, like that could be like dehydration. I mean, even pooping your pants is dehydration, but I was like, Oh my God. He just shit himself. I was like, I know that look. He just shit himself. I love it. He's like, are you okay? He's like, I might be, I just need a second. And then they blur his pants. They literally blur his pants. Like, yeah. And Alex was watching. She's like, that's why I won't go on Survivor. Cause that would be me. That's what would happen to me. And I couldn't live with myself. And I just love that he finally just turns to the camera. He's like, my wife is going to divorce me. You're not going to want to see this. I promise you. I mean, it sucks, man. I do love him though. I really like a lot of people this season. I genuinely enjoy these people. Like even Rizzo for all of his like sort of self-congratulatory and his laziness. I kind of find him entertaining. I do too. Everybody. Yeah. I feel a little bad about this being the first season I've watched in season one because I feel like part of this season the character of the show this season is the personalities coming in that you already watched You already know And the relationship they have to one another And so not knowing that, I feel like I'm at a bit of a disadvantage. I was like trying to explain to Sue last night what you were saying where I was like, OK, so that's Coach. And I thought we liked him, but we don't. He's apparently kind of a villain. And that's Q who we thought was the drummer from, from Toto, but it turns out he's actually a really good player who keeps everybody alive. So it's like, yeah. But so not knowing like any other year where it's just a whole bunch of randoms. Yeah. It's just kind of like, all right, we'll learn the game. But this was specifically like, Ooh, what happened on there? You're throwing in the deep end, man. Yeah. They're giving jibes at each other. Like they talk about how much baggage they're coming in with. And it's like, yeah. So it's a very normally at this point in the game, you're just still getting to know people and they're getting to know each other. other and there's this real sense of like can i trust this person can i not this the game they almost have already decided whether they can trust each other or not and so they just jump right into playing yeah that's the thing so there's no explanation kind of no hey i've never seen this season is not built for somebody who's never watched survivor no and so it is one of those things where it's kind of like i'm i'm picking it up and i'm getting there but i you know you i wish i kind of knew because they they get in they know how they're going to play and they're it's like they're pros. They've started to play. Yes. It's the same thing with what you said with traders where you're like, I want to watch one where they're not celebrities and aren't so polished and all that kind of stuff. It's that same kind of vibe with this. Yeah. No, I think, I think you would enjoy the discovery of other seasons a lot, you know? And, and also when they do the sort of social experiments that they've done, like remember, I told you they divide them by generation or by race, or there was one season where they divided them by class. Like literally they had a blue collar team, a working class team, and then like, you know, a white collar. Yeah. They, they, they, they did like, and it was so weird to, you know, for these people to have to confront like which category they had been put in based on their, basically their job. Like if they were a lawyer or if they were a plumber, different teams, you know, it was really interesting. Yeah. All right. So we get our first reward challenge, which is, you know, so sometimes there's immunity challenges and then there's just reward challenges in this case. But they never showed you what the reward was. Well, they said it, it's a tarp. Yeah. They get like, Oh, I thought he just said it was an upgrade. You're getting a camp upgrade, but he didn't say what it was. Did they say tarp? Yeah. Yeah. He says, he says, it's like, it's like a big tarp. I think like blankets and pillows, like maybe a hammock. I must have, I didn't hear that. I just heard you get a camp upgrade. I think that's how that one team, remember if you notice at the end of the episode, they have a hammock. I think that's like, that's part of the kit. Sue missed it too, because we were both like, where the f*** they get hammocks? Like how the hell did that? Oh, okay. So there's two degrees. There's like the, you know the luxury and then the less version but yeah it's having a tarp um which becomes a big deal for you know when it's raining at night hell yes absolutely and hammocks would be huge because you're not lying on the ground the whole time like right being being above the the nastiness and the sand and all that stuff would feel like you were in a water bed at that oh my god yeah relaxation yeah be amazing so everyone finds out that jenna was the one voted out and kyle was pulled from the game and way more they were way more upset about kyle being pulled than jenna being voted out you notice that so true so everyone's like oh jenna's gone then they were like kyle it was it was a big well it turns out camilla played they were yeah kyle and camilla were like total allies in season 48. So she really like starts, you know, which is true because it's so interesting when you have those kinds of historical alliances in a game like, you know, or this early in the game, that's really a part of your plan is that eventually you might end up on the same tribe together. So you really hope that like somebody you're aligned with is on another tribe working their own game and then you can merge your alliances when the tribes merge. So you can see Camilla's, you know, really bumped and understand. I also think there's a psychological aspect to it as well, where it's okay. There's things I can do to kind of stave off the possibility of being voted off of the Island. I can win challenges. I can do whatever. Injuries can hit us anytime. And it's like, that could have been me so easily. And it's the worst way to go out because he's been there for three days at that point. And he did something where he needed surgery like two days later. So it was, it was a significant injury. And I think there's something psychological to that as well. Totally. And this is, you know, going back to your point about this season too this season is a lot of older people because they're returning champions and they've been around for i mean you know jenna was 20 years ago or whatever 25 years ago so like that because usually the game is mostly populated by like 20 somethings um and of course injuries like rizzo and all these other yeah oh that's like that it's predominantly you like there's always like a couple older people like maybe in their 40s and 50s but like this seems like because you know because they're bringing people back it's like a majority so even aussie who's like you know physically in like great shape he talks about how he was like back spasming after the supplies challenge which then opens the door for coach to uh set the record straight did he well i don't understand like it's so weird that's the thing it's like he describes exactly what he did which is pretty much as far as i can tell what how ozzy represented the two right yeah yeah right he didn't lie so it's really just that coach assumed Ozzy was talking shit about him when actually Ozzy just described it exactly. Yeah. As it happened. But for some reason, coach saw that as a dent to his, you know, his honor. Yeah. Which is hysterical because it's like, dude, the only dent to the, you did it. Like you did the thing, which is why I love Ozzy's response. It's like, I think he's going to play the game exactly how he has always played the game. Like, I wish I knew then their relationship. Cause I know that. Cause everyone was like, Oh, they're cutting to people going like, Oh, and I was like, what, what's all, what, what happened? So yeah, they have a history. The thing about coach. And I think what, you know, I find annoying ultimately is not so much like, it's not so much the way he plays. It's the way he talks about himself, the way he plays, like he presents it as if he's this like honorable, enlightened. Yes. He's like the white knight. And it's like, you're not dude. You're, you're a manipulative, selfish, you know, player. Just like, you know, like you, you listen to the way that Devin's, you know, Rick Devin's talks about playing the game and it's a realist way to play. Right. And like, you may not always agree with it, but it is realistic to, you're going to have to lie at some point to somebody's face. You're going to have to say that people were like, Oh wow. You lied on survivor. Ooh, what are the chances of that? It's like, I think it's part of the game. And so, right. And I think coach has a tendency to minimize his own manipulation and make it seem like he's an honorable player and that he's this sort of and that's just it's douche twat behavior yes dtp dtp dtb dtb is what it is yes dtb all right so we've after this you know weird moment where coach decides to like toot his own horn and say exactly what everyone kind of already knew they get into this challenge which is opens with like one of my favorite things we have to smash this like jump off doesn't it look so satisfying. It does and you smash it then you land in the water afterwards. Yes. Oh yeah. And it was like it was just like so much fun until I saw Aubrey miss it and then I was like that would be me and it must feel like such shit. Plus she was the only one who did. Sports ball! She was also the only one who did. This is where we need the oh no. Oh no no no no. Yeah it's also but the thing they plan these things really well because I was thinking yeah if you do miss it like she did all your momentum's going forward and you are full belly flop yep which is exactly what happened to her so i was in an acting class in berkeley when i was a teenager like right or right when boy meets world started and then i would go back and visit every once in a while and there was a guy in that class who was one of like his name was miles and he was hysterical and a very good improviser. And he reached out to me through Facebook, I want to say in 2008 or nine, whenever the last time I was on Facebook, and he was working with a company. He had a company where they designed the games for Survivor. Cool. The challenges. I know. That would be fun. I want to reach out to him. I want to try and find him. Hell yes. Because I'm pretty sure I remember his last name or I can figure it out. And if he's still doing that, or even if not, we should have him on to just talk about it. Absolutely. Because how cool would that be as a job? like to just, you get your friends together and you have to, and you know, and obviously they have to run it and figure out like, you know, how to dial in the difficulty because like, it seems pretty fair, right? Like the way that these challenges are worked out, you're like, yeah, like even if you suck at one aspect of it, you can make it up with another. Like they do such a good job with these challenges. I just, yeah. Well, when you got, I mean, the second challenge is the perfect example when you go, you know, which we'll get to, but when you go from having to carry something really heavy to then having to be delicate with these strings to do something else it's two completely different skill sets so yeah it's i think they do they're keeping it fair yep so they gotta smash the tiles to get the key um and walk across this like balance beam without falling and then uh dive back into the water right dive back into the water to like release the rings yikes and they gotta go deep you see how deep they have to go yeah yes dude there have been people on previous seasons who like aren't great swimmers and i'm like why are you doing Well, that's what I was thinking. I was thinking to myself, I'm like, I wear one glass contact lens. I cannot open my eyes underwater or it's sucked out of my eye. I've done it before. So what do I do? I've wondered about that. Like with the, with the contacts thing, like I'm not like, cause there was one season where they actually, they eliminated a guy, if I'm remembering correctly, because he had decided to go off his antidepressants and they were like, that's too big of a risk for us. yeah i can see that yeah and they talk about that like in the in the in the like as in the tribal council it's like we're getting rid of you because you went off of your meds no no the show got rid of him oh the show came in and said hey we've because they he had updated his medical like you know his intake or whatever and said no i decided to go off my medication the the course that i'm on this and they were like that's kind of too big of a deal because if you become depressed or suicidal or like if they're your brain chemistry is not what you've represented it as like that's a risk for us as a hell yes yeah it's super interesting and so i'm always so but what that revealed to me is like the questions of like yeah like because you see some people wearing glasses right um i'm like could you wear contacts like i have monthly contacts but i still have to take them out every night yeah and you've got so i would have to just wear glasses everywhere and then it's like i can't wear glasses because i have it's a medical reason that i have my one eye my glass eye as you and daniel like to point out so it's like that's what i thought about i was like well i couldn't be the one to dive under the water to get something because i can't see underwater and i wonder like you know one of my good friends has diabetes and he's like super physical right you know he needs an injection every day yeah so could he do survivor would they allow him to like probably maybe if they have the medical because i mean we showed they showed in this episode specifically which i found was really interesting which i'm sure which we're definitely going to get to that medical or somebody's there to save you instantly yeah right if like they're right there yeah so i imagine you know you could get an insulin shot a day kind of thing it's right that's what i would i would assume that like to level the playing field to a certain degree right like they're not gonna let people starve but they also shouldn't let somebody but then again if you're not capable of surviving on a beach right like who knows somebody who can't walk let's say right like that would be just too hard so or even smaller somebody who has asthma i mean it's like what if you have you have a bad asthma attack are you allowed to have your inhaler okay this is probably one of those moments where our listeners are like what are you talking about yes they know exactly exactly what the rules are and uh we're not gonna look them up we're just gonna pretend like we know everything exactly we're okay so challenge starts they get the it's fun to watch everyone does pretty well yeah it's the one thing i do like about this is that it seems like they are all pretty close yeah you know it's it's never like okay well they vatoo which is not gonna win this one these people know there are times when people are like i did not realize this show would be so hard like there was a season i think it was 47 or 48 where for like i think the first time two different people just dropped out really they were just like this is too hard i don't want to do this you guys can vote me out and everyone was like okay i'm telling you it's generational it is at that time it was very generational they were definitely younger like and they were just like and you're like what did you expect yeah they expected they expected a tiktok reel and to get famous that's what they expected that's what they expected and then it's like oh wait you need me to be sandy and grab firewood i can't do that i've never lifted anything in my life but my phone yeah yeah it was hard to watch man it was you know because i felt sorry for them a little bit but then you're also like what did you expect like this is kind of and i also i i always look at it like this because they do this in the ufc too where and it's one of the things the president of the ufc hates the most is you have to make weight and it's like if you you don't make weight you can't fight and the thing that pisses them off so much is like do you realize you just took the place of somebody that would have worked their ass off to be here that's so it's like you came here you you made it on survivor and now you're going to tap out because it's a little hard you know how many thousands of people would love to take your place yeah and so it's like dude that's just not cool yeah yeah yeah i guess that's worse than pooping your pants on survivor dude if you can't poop your pants on national television you ain't oh but you just know that for the rest of his life everyone's gonna be like which one was christian yeah he's the guy who shit his pants oh right that's why he just knows it's like no matter what he does the rest of the season that's oh he's smart guy poopy pants smart guy he started a fire with glasses for the first time no one's gonna remember that i already forgot that he is only calling christian unfortunately he's piggy from lord of the rings is oh my god he is oh i love him all right i do too i love him he's my favorite i want poopy pants i want poopy pants silo wins uh and uh kayla wins second so over at uh vatu uh genevieve is drinking this sour coconut water and trying to sound like coconut comes in different flavors that just sounds like that's a bad coconut yes yes i totally and this is where aubrey has this moment she's like i'm surrounded by lunatics which is super interesting um because i i really did like aubrey from her season you know okay i've talked about her last she was very much like the underdog in that situation and she win she was in the top three i don't know i can't honestly see this is the thing i can't remember shit man but i do know that she did very well okay and was sort of one of these people that you didn't expect because she physically wasn't like really aggressive and didn't feel comfortable on the beach and all these ways. And very similar to the way she's acting in this one. But, you know, she's sort of just an odd person, you know? She's just a little like, and you can see that like Genevieve is already like, you know, not trusting her. And then they decide to go through her back. Dude, it seems like, it just seems super invasive to me. It did, right? And I love that they even say, this makes you a dirty rotten you know whatever but we're doing it anyway yeah well they're like if you do this on the street you're the worst person in the world but here in survivor you kind of got to do what you got to do do people can you steal other people's shit and destroy their stuff and i mean is that all legal kind of i mean it's it's sort of like you know i mean you had people be like get caught going through other people's stuff using other people's stuff and getting very upset about it i can see that confrontations i mean they're you know but it's just really it's up to the tribe to how they want to manage these kinds of things i find it interesting that everybody's against aubrey like i couldn't believe that no one person was like well she's on my you know like she and i have an alliance and and defending her and no they're all like the whole rest of the tribe is like coordinating who's going to look out who's going to distract what we like go through her crap i was like yeah man that's not a good sign you know like if you don have somebody having your back uh she going to be very alone uh turns out to be you know not that big of a as big of a deal because she gets that boomerang yeah billy idol she gets the billy idol but we get we'll get to that um all right so uh jonathan the beast the he-man super jesus i mean just every time i look at him i feel less and less like a man every single time god and again another 45 minutes trying to find those pants and i can't find them i don't i almost i almost texted you i'm like how do i how do i do a google image search because i don't know how to do that so i took a snapshot of them because i can't find just like mismatched not those i want to find those you find patchwork pants but i can't find those i need someone to find those specific pants for me and then i get them in little boy sizes which would fit me but that's what that's what That's what I want. He's so huge. He's huge. And just a beast too. I mean, just that's the guy. He'd be my first pick. That's the guy you want on your team. Yep. So he's out fishing and coach goes with him and gets this crazy cramp in his legs, which is just like, dude. Have you ever had one? You ever had a cramp in doing something where you literally can't walk? No. They incapacitate you. One is bad enough where your whole muscle is twitching and you can't put any weight on it. So while you're swimming, he was, it was not hyperbole. You get that when you're by yourself, you could easily drown and die. Easily. Because you can't move your legs. It's horrible. So that's when I was like, oh, smart. They've got, there's a boat like 10 seconds away, which makes total sense. Yeah. Cause I mean, you're in the ocean, man. Somebody just, it's only takes like 30 seconds and somebody's gone. Yeah. It's just so intense to see like nothing happening. You know, it looks like nothing's wrong. The poor guy can. He just floats there. Yeah. Yeah. Awful. All right. Over at Sela, Ozzy pitches an alliance to Devens and Savannah and says he wants Joe to be a part of it as well. Um, and then there's this moment with Devin's and, uh, and Joe, cause like Devin's whispers to Savannah or Savannah whispers to Devin's. And then Joe is like, what's up? You know what? Right. And Devin's lies pretty poorly. It's terrible. Yeah. My God, he lies as bad as Candace did on, on traitors. Yeah. Um, but then it gets into this whole interesting thing. And this is where, you know, I think you asked, can you play honorably? and you can see how actually playing honorably makes it harder sometimes total detriment everyone's like i can't i can't take his honorability well you can see it's annoying joe's like he's like basically not accepting the terms of the game um you know and this is what i felt this a little bit with traders sometimes when people are like you're a snake and you're like that literally is the name of the game like it's i'm a traitor game yeah so it's sort of the same thing but i just love what Christian is like, we need a, we need a Jotation to keep an eye on him. I love when Devin's was just like, I think it was Devin's was just like, yeah, uh, it's survivor. You don't go up to somebody and ask what they're whispering about. You just assume that somebody is going to whisper to somebody else. We're playing survivor. It compares it to football. Right. And he's like, you don't say like, don't touch anybody. We don't want to hurt anybody. That's what you do. It's what you do. I love that. It's so true. It's, you know, um, and you can see like, it's yeah i i hope joe adjusts because he's a really good guy you know he's a firefighter yes but it's that like straightforward i mean that's kind of the way i feel like i would end up being like yeah but see the difference is it seems like he's that guy who talks like that and really lives that where coach talks like that but doesn't actually live that way it perfectly put i totally agree you know it's yeah but it's interesting because it's probably gonna hurt joe more than coach. Like coaches strategy is actually going to probably work and keep him in the game. I know guys do finish last, man. I know it's terrible. And that's what he says. Cause he really did get screwed over by Colin Camilla in his season. So he says he has PTSD. I wish I knew what that meant, but it sounds like he was in an alliance with two people that he trusted who just screwed him. Well, you can just see, he puts his heart out there, right? Like he is, he is so like, if I trust you, I trust you. It's, you know, it reminds me, there've been a couple cops and firefighters over the years. And it always, it's so interesting because it really does remind me my father. Um, my father has this, this way. It's something that I think comes with the territory of being a cop or a firefighter where you're dealing with people in really high stress situations, like all the time. Right. And you have to be the voice of authority to like calm them down or to, um, give them horrible news. You know, like we lost your, your partner in the fire or somebody in this person's not coming back we tried to resuscitate them and so like my dad has this way of speaking that is like very clear it's very forthright and i've always really appreciated that you know like it's it's a it's a powerful thing to be able to say like hey i'm not lying to you i am being straight with you and i'm i'm not going to sugarcoat things and i can see joe doing that and i do really like it but you can see man it's going to drive everybody crazy they they consider voting him out because of it because i know it's also but what exactly what you're talking about when it comes to the trust thing with police officers and firefighters too though it's like the piece the people that you're with are could save your life yes i need to trust you i'm gonna run into a burning building and i need to know that you're right behind me yes and i don't i'm not gonna look back i just know you're there right it's military too right militaries too very similar it's like 100 and it's like you have to have this value system of like absolute clarity and reliance on one another that, you know, most of us don't have. And in Survivor, it seems like it's actually a weirdly a liability, which is, you know, it's different from season to season. There have been other seasons where I'm sure that people do want to play that way. But in this case, man, you're dealing with a lot of really, really smart game players. So they're going to, they're going to, yeah. All right. Over at Vaatu, RZA and Angelina being lazy. And Q's really upset. just sitting around like they're not doing anything yeah yeah that would drive me crazy i can be i can be lazy as the next guy unless there's people around me counting on me and then i'm gonna find something to do right yeah yeah and it's funny because like this actually hasn't happened that much like they don't talk about like i feel like most seasons everybody's pretty much pulled their weight like there have been whole seasons where like an entire tribe just doesn't even build their shelter and they get screwed yeah like they're just like lazy like the whole tribe is lazy or they just want to like swim and hang out. But I feel like that's happened less and less. It seems like mostly people know, like they come on, they got to take care of their crap, keep everybody else happy, provide something to the tribe. But in this case, it's, it's, I was shocked to see that the younger people were not, not doing anything. It's like, guys, do something. Well, the younger generation. Sorry. All right. Now the immunity challenge taking place in the jungle, this 200 pound survivor snake bringing it back through a set of obstacles that just looked miserable yes um yeah dude when you have to crawl through the sand like that i'm always just like no thanks through the sand through a net yeah that's a weighted net and that was the first thing you had to do with this giant snake i mean that looked that was crazy to me crazy then they have to do this crazy ball challenge thing with three of them basically it's sort of like a human video game right like like like how do we keep this ball from you know but having to like learn to control it together as a team well don't you remember the game at the where you might you might have been too too young but i doubt it we were close enough in age it's you had the ball the metal ball at the top and you had the two metal long metal things and you had to kind of i don't even know how to describe it you had to manipulate the ball around the around the thing to then drop it in the hole no if there's two long metal pipes like this and then a ball at the top and you can't let the ball drop you have to like manipulate the things down and then move it over and drop it in a hole so it was like the adult version of that essentially yeah yeah yeah super cool super cool because they have to work together you know it's like it's not an individual puzzle it's like yeah we have to like all be and it's i love that i love that it was all about communication but it's also not only is about communication but the way you win this game is somebody needs to take charge and everybody else needs to shut their mouth and listen to that one person yeah because it's like i need you to be all right listen you need to go here you need to go if you're going i'm gonna go here no i'm gonna go it's never gonna work yeah so you gotta almost instantly select the leader and then listen to that person really interesting and but wasn't it interesting how much like rizzo came through in this part of the game he was great you know it's like great yeah yeah um so when they get to the snakes by the way did you notice they have to untie them yes okay so this is something Alex and I have always say there's a lot of knots in survivor. And we've always said, since we first started watching, it's like the first thing I would do to trade for survivor is sit around untying knots all day because they have to. And, and like there were, there have been seasons where it's like literally the whole challenge is just like 10 minutes of not untying. Right. And there have been like, I think Charlie was the one I was talking about who, who, who worked up certain muscles. Like he also, there've been people who've like built just not mazes in their house to like work their way through to like get good at it so there's certain i mean certain knots that if you recognize them you tug them a certain way and they instantly unfold like totally but i think the way that these are is just literally like it's just a time-consuming thing to slow you down so just you have a lot of knots a lot of keys i noticed that too like now you got to open the lock and do this kind of it's like okay little little piddly things that can take a lot of time exactly and really screw you up you know on top of you know all the physical yeah so uh colby um really makes up for rizzo having a slow start beast jonathan does a dive bomb roll with the snake did you notice that the thing like outside the ropes i'm like this guy literally looks like the hulk if he had green skin he has the hulk's body yeah i'm just like he reminds me of jason momoa like like an actual momoa yeah it's yeah i was like dude my first thing yeah i want i want that guy then i want somebody who's really good with strategy those two people are my first two picks yeah and well he and he and rizzo are on the same team so yeah um so sila loses this challenge again really bums me out man again that's two in a row i know and i love everybody on that team yeah i really do yeah um so this was a bummer for me i mean i in general like i said in general i really like a lot of people this season but sila is like kind of all of my favorites okay i really like that siri and aussie have each other's back because that's like a combo like that's a magical combo that's really cool the two of them together too and she you know again i'm getting to learn all these characters yeah she works a room so freaking well dude could you just drops one or two nuggets and she says she explains it perfectly she's like i let them come up with the strategy that really i basically jedi mind tricked them into yes yeah it's she's so good you don't need to see my identification yeah these aren't she's amazing looking for yeah but then even more amazing to me was that emily um and who else was it like savannah and emily figure that out they're like oh cerise protecting aussie so like they're also like four-dimensional chess players everybody's getting it all the time it must just be because you're just heightened it's like traders yes the heightened anxiety and paranoia you must feel every freaking day what did that look mean what did that person say why are they walking and getting sticks together where's my bag my bag wasn't over there it must be insane yeah you know i'm i really just felt sorry for them having to vote somebody out it sucks you know have they ever done partners where it's like like like partners where you're going on to survivor knowing for a fact that there's one person that has your back like it's husband and wife or something well there was a mother daughter team where the daughter voted her mom out no yeah yeah it's like a legendary moment oh yeah they've i i they have brought people in like i i'm not sure if they did it as overall as a whole season i think that maybe had been the case but certainly yeah there have been those kinds of things i think they end up separating them early on and then you know you find you get back together but how do you vote for your mom yeah dude it's hardcore that is an uncomfortable thanksgiving or you know you just know that like she would do the same to you if it meant you know winning a million dollars or not get into the game you know they had some sort of a pact before they would like all right if you got to vote me out vote me out we split the money whatever one of us has to win kind of thing yes you have to understand the game that's that's what i didn't like about that traitor scenario where it was like we know each other we would never let's like but then you would be playing the game horribly yeah no you're right you know you're breaking the rules of the game so we kind of saw that with uh with tara and uh yeah johnny yep yeah um so joe uh you know is i love him but he's got a problem like he's struggling like getting people to like him or people just want to deal with his like yeah his aggressive honor like you gotta be this way Like, Seri really does, like, manage to get everybody off of Ozzy, which is so cool. I don't know if they edit it this way or if she just dropped two or three quick things, quick nuggets, and everyone was like, she's right. Yeah. Because it seemed instantaneous. Yeah. Well, I don't think anybody really wanted to vote out Ozzy because they want to win. They need to win challenges in order to not be in this situation. So you don't want to vote out somebody who's physically giving you a huge leg up like he is. And he's also feeding them, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. fishes he he's a monster in these challenges too that's the thing you just don't you don't want to vote him out except that he might win the game so it's like that weird thing of like at what point do we blindside ozzy it's kind of the question like and this is what ben was telling us where he's like the but the way you're supposed to play traders is you figure out who you know the trader is going to be then keep them there till the end exactly so it's like that same kind of thing yeah um ozzy decides to give sari his extra vote as a thank you which i thought was so sweet i love this partnership man okay this is this was yeah i'm trying to figure out the rules he has an idol yes that was so he can't be voted out he's got the boat the boomerang so he can't be voted out if he plays it yes and and he had an extra vote so he had two things yes and he decided to give one to sari yep gotcha and sari has played survivor five times and has never had her own advantage which is amazing which is amazing like that's yeah yeah um yeah so did we talk about how poopy pants found an idol that's what i'm about to get it okay so we cut over uh cut over to the uh christian um well actually sorry it's at the same tribe uh where he's he's i just love that he's like literally rocking joe in the hammock to like calm him down and you'd be like well maybe we're playing the game correctly and you could just see like he's basically like so good that's what i mean i love everybody on this drive because even when they're like actually having to be against each other they're still trying to be so nice about it and they're all like uh god but yeah but then poopy pants uh finds an idol um which is just hysterical when they find an idol their faces when they light up oh my god it's amazing it's so fun to watch it's a meme every time they find an eye yes yeah um so he finds another billy eilish boomerang idol which we're affectionately referring to as the billy idol the billy idols the billy idol um and he decides to give it to aubrey which is super interesting that he smart intuits basically from Aubrey's previous gameplay that she is a strategist who could probably use it. And she really could use it And I think it hysterical that they searched her back for an idol And if it had happened after like she could have potentially they could have potentially found her idol before she did Cause they actually hid the idol in her bag. So she just opened her bag and was like, Oh my God, there's an idol in here. So it's so interesting that that question. If you, if they, let's say for the sake of argument, they opened her bag and they found the idol. Can they take it? Or is it her idol? it's she has to transfer it she has to give it they can't so someone can't steal it from you gotcha gotcha no but you can transfer sometimes you can't transfer i think in this case you can't i think they might have said that you can't give it to anybody else yeah no i don't think you had you had to give it to somebody that wasn't in your tribe and then it comes back to you if they're voted off with it in their pocket but i also think there's a rule that they can't give it to anybody else no they can't yeah it's it's there because normally if you just find like a full idol on your beach, like there have been seasons where all there are is just like, you know, an idol and you find it, you can hand that to somebody else. Gotcha. There have also been instances. And this is my favorite where people make fake idols. Well, they did it this week. Yeah. Right. Well, we haven't seen exact, I didn't understand what was going on and I'm still very curious what they're doing, but yeah, but there have been times where somebody has made a fake idol, told somebody that they have it and given it to them and said, you can use this. And then that poor person has gone to play it and been told like jeff probes like hands and goes this is not a real immunity idol and then the poor person gets voted out it's so embarrassing oh my god so wait he tells them after they voted because they play it they they like announce i'm gonna play my idol and then they have to give it to jeff and jeff knows because he's you know on the producerial side he's kept track of what is a real idol and not and he's been able to like look at some beaded thing that somebody's put together by collecting rocks and stuff they've made idols and he'll just be like that's not a real idol and then that poor person doesn't you know they'll just oh it seems like they should be they should tell them when they go to play it not after they've been voted out oh that's so mean so why wouldn't you just do that all the time be like hey dude you're you're you're immune here's an idol right oh yikes oh that's awful all right the scramble before tribal is pretty intense um turns out to not actually be that intense it's kind of right what sari and ozzy said in motion plays out but there is this moment where it's like it does feel like the tension shifts back to ozzy because everyone's like you know sari is just doing this for ozzy and everyone can see their relationship developing did you think he was going to play his idol no but i was worried that they because they could have you know just yeah because they don't know that he has an idol right no yeah she does i think serena's right i'm not sure if she does i'm assuming because he gave her his extra vote i don't know if he actually has told her because he's been voted out with idol and i know which is that's sometimes you'd think you'd be gunshying you'd be like i'm playing it i'm playing it i know but you, you want to hold on to it cause he knows he's going to get blindsided, you know, he, and yeah. But anyway, they always heighten the drama. Like a lot of times you go into tribal and like, they actually pretty much all know the plan. And then, you know, the producers just edit it to make it. It sounds like they did this week. They knew, they knew when they all vote for the same person, you know, the plan's already set in motion. Um, and before I write it where they go to tribal, Christian and Devin's have this conversation where they, I didn't know what they were doing, where they're going to create a fake idol and like leave it. It turns out they're going to wrap up a fake idol and leave it at the tribal council area for somebody in another tribe to find. Or maybe they're going to leave a clue for one of their own tribe. I don't know. It's a weird, weird choice. I'm not sure how it's all going to play out. They work so well together, though. We didn't get to see the idol that they faked, did we? No, but it works so well together. No. We just know that he had the wrapping from the original one. They wrapped it up to look like the regular thing. they did the greatest sleight of hand essentially to get to hide it there. Yeah. And I'm dying to know I was, cause I'm the same thing. So I don't know. I'm like, okay, what is, what does that do? But knowing that you can have a fake idol and then play it and be like, I'm safe. And it turns out you're not is just, Oh God, it's harsh. Yeah. All right. So at the tribal council, Joe brings up his argument with Devin's. I thought this was really nice. Like, you know, they're kind of hash it out. Joe doesn't quite apologize, but, you know, does admit his own stubbornness and his own, you know, like inability to be the kind of player that Devons is. Now you said these can get contentious because I haven't, so far it's been just like, I love playing with everybody and here's my, I didn't want to, I want to apologize forever I did this week kind of thing. No, people are, these are really good players. You know, it's, they know that you don't reveal anything at Tribal because the second you open your mouth and you start like letting beef come out in front of everybody you're a target yeah you become the target like it doesn't help you that's why like coach talking about that aussie situation it's like dude just stop like just no one cares no one cares that much except you your ego got hurt your ego got bruised you're worried about your reputation in a game where literally everybody's voting everybody else out like yeah nobody really cares that much um and i i think mike is mike white is very aware that i love the way he always has this slightly shit-eating grin on his face when stuff like that happens he's just like i i see what's going on here and he's the kid who throws a cherry bomb in the toilet and then walks away when it explodes and looks around like who did that perfect exactly and i think that's why he's kind of beloved because everyone's like yeah you know like he's not like a villain he's just having a little bit of fun he's a roadrunner me me totally that's trickster trickster exactly totally um and then yeah savannah talks she gets emotional about how hard it is to be vulnerable which i really appreciated you know like i can see this is like man um and it's unfortunate that she gives that speech right before she's voted out and and she's the one who won the last season who they didn't know yet okay so she's gone from like she's like i had a week off essentially yep she's probably a good a good part of her is probably really relieved to be off that damn island right now she's a really good player though yeah like i was impressed to be able to keep up with these people um these this level of playing and like i said she was like she was hip to like what was going on in her tribe and like very sophisticated and like when she did her challenge you know by herself like she's just she she's played well um and she had an extra vote from the colby thing that's what it was which wouldn't helped her in any way shape or form anyway no because it looks like yeah everybody just turned on her but so my problem so far like my i going back to like when you you asked in the opening um the first fan choice which was that they you know don't get flint they don't get you know this is that's what's happening where like the thing that i was i explained to you that could happen which is that this the struggling tribe in this case the tribe without fire they don't have flint and they they got fire with their but they don't have any fishing gear right they I guess they got their they got the camp improvement this time that's hard but like you see that once one tribe starts losing sometimes they just keep losing and I'm afraid that that's happening like the snowball effect of like Sela which is full of good people and good players just because they're going down and they're losing morale and they're starting it sucks man they're gonna be picked off one at a time now this will happen where it just like literally comes down to two people on a tribe and they're like what do we do? And then they just have to merge them into other tribes. And what sucks about that is they come into an established tribe on the bottom always. Oh, sure. Yeah. Cause they come in and everybody has a good person to vote out. Yep. That's what I think. It's like, oh, we got a great person to vote out here. Good. Cause we have no allegiance to this person. Exactly. I mean, what you ultimately want is your tribe to go merge with another tribe, hopefully with like four or five of you, or at least three of you. So you can go in with your alliance, you know? Right. But the problem is you, by the time it gets to that, you might hate half the people on your own tribe. It gets really complicated socially once the merge happens. But yeah, so I just hope that Selah can come back just for the sake of the gameplay because I just hate seeing one team get screwed. But also because I'm team Selah. I'm team Selah, man. These are my people. I'm totally just, I'm going to put my heart on the line. I'm laying it out there. I care about them. I like them. I was team Colby. I am all in on poopy pants. I'll be honest with you. They're the best. Do you also notice his shirt? With the robots? Yeah, what does it say? 10, 1? Yeah, well, it's 001011. So it's binary code. And what does it say? Oh, I have no idea. But it's a cool binary shirt. I'm sure it means something. I'm sure it means something. I don't understand. But just the fact that it's three robots and it's binary code, I thought was really cool. All right. Well, if somebody out there knows binary code. Yeah, 001011, I think it is, or whatever it is. Yeah. so I have to tell you this because I thought about it when they voted Savannah out so if you notice when they you know they lose their fire that's how you get that's how you're extinguished from the game is that they right yeah they cap it and so every time he says the tribe has spoken and he snuffs their torch and then they walk away Indy for years thought that he was saying trap your smoking as he snuffed it kind of works perfectly perfectly so every time we look at each other and we go savannah trap your smoke because it makes literal sense right we're gonna trap your smoke in exactly i thought they take their bowl and they go you're not token it's so funny trap your smoke yeah so if we if we ever create twirled merch i think our first thing should be a shirt that just says trap your smoking trap your smoking i like it i think you should trap your i think you should we gotta get dancing with the stars in there somehow one more one dancing the stars we have a perfect shirt yes we'll figure it out it's awesome uh all right do you have a uh survivor wait well before that don't forget they then do the great misdirect where he where poopy pants pretends to fall i'm not gonna call him that anymore where he pretends to fall Christian Falls. Overacting Christian, dude. Oh, but it works. It just makes you turn your head enough to where it's perfect. But I love the way Ceri's like, are you okay? Because he didn't know where to walk at the end. She's like, it's over here. Are you okay? Like you got a little, uh, so he might've, he might've handed up a little too much. But yeah, I don't understand what their strategy is. Like I, they obviously edited out what, you know, what they built, what they made and what their plan is. Like, it's bait for somebody, but I'm so curious what they wrote, if they wrote anything. Well, it's my other question. Do they have access to pen and paper? Can they write stuff? You know, that's a very good question. I think you are allowed to bring like one personal item and I'm pretty sure people do often bring a notebook to keep notes, to keep like track of who's who. So I think they, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Okay. But I think they get to bring one personal item, you know, as long as it's not like a hacksaw. Right. Exactly. It's a big survival kit. Exactly. Just a whole bunch of food, like just a backpack full of rations. It's awesome. Oh, my God. I wonder how far away they are from DoorDash. Like, what if you just my personal item is my phone and I'm on Starlink and I'm just going to keep ordering food the entire time. Oh, God, that'd be funny. All right. You got a survivor from history? I do, but that's not how you... On the tip of your tongue, just from the top of your head. Of course, from the top of my head, but of course we're calling this famous survivors from Hill Hall Hall. Hill Korea. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you. We've got a really cool one today. We've got Julianne Margaret Beattie Kopecky. Oh, another female survivor. Okay. Listen to this. Kopecky is known for being the sole survivor of the 1971 Lanza Flight 508 crash. Oh my God. When the plane was struck by lightning, she fell 10,000 feet. No. While strapped to her seat and suffered numerous injuries, including concussion, broken collarbone, and a torn knee ligament, she survived 11 days alone in the Peruvian Amazon rainforest until she located a lumberjack camp. Hold on. How do you survive a 10,000 foot fall? It's a great question. She must have like hit jungle and like giant trees that broke her fall, like full avatar style, you know, are they like giant leaf to giant leaf and it just like cradles her down to the ground? That's how it was. She found herself falling, still strapped to her row of seats in the Amazon rainforest. She ended up surviving the fall, but had a whole bunch of injuries. 11 days in the rainforest. forest she dealt with severe insect bites and an infestation of bot fly larvae into her injured arm after nine days that's disgusting yeah that means that like they were planting eggs in her wound yep so pretty awesome uh yeah so that she literally they it was did you ever watch that one survival show where it was, it was, it was, it was like alone before alone, where it's just the one guy I'm blanking on his name. Oh, uh, survivor man. Survivor man. Yes. Yeah. Dude, that was, that show was intense. And he did one, he did a couple in the rainforest and like rainforests are crazy. Oh, like there's just so many weird bugs and like plants that will kill you. Like I would way rather be lost to like where they are in alone, which is like the Arctic, which sounds worse, but at least like you can lay on the ground. Like if I remember the survivor, man, he couldn't lay on the ground because he was so worried about snakes and spiders. And not just that, they have, they have certain places you go where they say like, if you're in, if you find yourself in waist deep water, don't pee. Because if you open up your urethra, things crawl up inside of you. And yikes. Dude, rain for it. Like real jungle, like Peruvian. Nope, nope, nope. I get the creepy crawl is just thinking about it. Like, okay, wait now. So this is something you should understand, too. Experts have said that she survived the fall because she was harnessed into her seat, the window seat, which was attached to the two seats to her left as part of a row of three. That thought to have functioned almost as a parachute or a helicopter, which slowed her fall. The impact may have also lessened by the updraft from a thunderstorm she fell through and went through thick foliage at the landing site. so uh i mean just and then and the crazy thing was as many as 14 other passengers were later discovered to have survived the initial crash but died waiting to be rescued oh yeah yeah that i don't know like if i fell 10 000 feet how do you have the like you don't faith in yourself to keep going you don't or you're just like okay like now i have to survive because yeah my god like what the chances but so they think it helicoptered the the seat helicoptered down which slowed her and then an uplift from the the storm and then hitting the foliage i mean the the confluence of events that needed to happen to keep this woman alive is mind-boggling wow so there's your survivor from history today and then when she landed and the bot flies were in her and they're climbing out of her she had to dive into a river and get a key and then open up no i'm kidding that was it and then build a puzzle that said Survivor Season 50 for some reason, and that got her out. All of a sudden, Colby was there. She found a Billie Eilish idol, and she was okay. So there you go. You've been listening to Pod Meets Twirled. The torches may be snuffed, but our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time at Tribal. you