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This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Lots to say with Bobby Bells and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and I Heart Podcasts. Here's Bobby and Matt. Welcome to another episode. Listen, the game's been over for like three days but we should do a proper post-mortem of the game. So it's not really talk about the game but talk about the things that are dead from the game. For example, does Will Campbell suck? I think that's question number one. Because I think that's... Yeah, what's your definition of suck? Man, not play good. Maybe indicative of how good he really is. Yes, then I would go into that category. Unfortunately, he struggled throughout the playoffs and he had injury late and came back. And I will say this in his defense. He faced four of the best defenses and you're always going up against their best defensive end if you're that left tackle. But he struggled. He struggled with the power rush. He struggled with speed. I think he said in all time record what 20 pressures in the NFL playoffs. Yeah, it was something like that. And gave up 10 sacks or something. Oh, you mean in the playoffs? In the playoffs. That would have been amazing. 10 sacks or something. Yeah, I was talking about playoffs. I mean, he was on the struggle bus all playoff long and he saw it again in the Super Bowl and Seattle Seahawks took advantage of it. How much of that though is injury and how much of that though is maybe he's just not at the speed they thought he would be at this point? I mean, I don't know what exactly he was dealing with in his ailments. So I couldn't speak to that. But at the same time, he had struggles throughout this course of this season. You would love to see that develop and continue to build steam to where he's developed at the end of the season and playing his best football. That didn't happen because of the setback. I believe with the with the injury. But at the end of the day, there was not enough consistency at all throughout the season. And so they have to take a hard look at him at left tackle. If maybe it's a positional movement where he goes inside and plays guard because one of the biggest complaints about him coming out was the length of his arms and this that and the other. But to me, it's a major concern because you've got a guy like Drake May that is so talented. You've got to be able to protect them, especially with that position. And I think the proper emotion be though from left tackle to right tackle. Then inside potentially, but they're right tackle. And I'm also Ricky also a rookie, right Kevin? I'm a guard guard. Yeah. Yeah. Morgan Moses played well. He played well this season for the most part. And so yes, normally you're saying, if you're not working out of left tackle, let's switch them to right tackle. And so it's not going to be a big deal. But it's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. You want to see if you can one work on his confidence because right now obviously his confidence is down but two find a position for him where his skill sets can show. Here's my hot take. I think he's going to be fine. And I think a performance like this is way better than just a pretty bad performance because a pretty bad performance in the offensive line doesn't get noticed that much because we don't notice the offensive line. Unless it is highlighted to us by the camera and the announcers. I think this is something that he goes back over the offseason and he stays extremely focused all offseason and he comes back even stronger. So I think a horrendous performance is better than a pretty bad performance because a pretty bad performance he wouldn't be embarrassed. That's true. I mean, I agree with that comment wholeheartedly because he's going to go and have to reevaluate the film as hard as that is as players at times to go back and watch yourself fail. I think he's got one of those mentality just listening to him and interviews and seeing him play at the highest level in the SEC in college. This kid's got a tremendous skill set. Now it's about getting back to work and getting back to grind and for him being a young player, I expect that to happen. Kevin, Pat's fan. Yeah, what does your will Campbell take? Yeah, I'm not worried yet. You know, this goes in a next year bleeds in a little bit because at the beginning of the year he was doing pretty dang good. And then he got hurt. And he hasn't been the same sense. I am a like, he's just going to work out like Castle said, and I think he will. I think he has that mindset and that energy to go get better and you know, not let this knock him down. I think he'll be alright next year. I will say this though, going in the next year, there's going to be a microscope on him. And they're going to be watching him because all offseason long, there's going to be those question marks. So can he block out that noise and really focus in on what he needs to do to get better because I know that Boston Media Market, they're ruthless. And they're going to be talking about this all offseason long and they're going to be talking about it, no TAs and when season starts. And if there is a bad game early on for Will Campbell, the rumblings will start. So can he have the mental fortitude to overcome all of the media distraction and everything and all the comments being made and not get involved in the media because I think that'll take away from him just as much as anything else from a confidence standpoint. He was a big loser, right? Meaning of every one specifically, I think he was more the big loser than Drake May was, even though May played bad as well. If we were to go, here's who I think it's Will Campbell, then Drake May. And then I think it's your boy Josh off. It's a coordinator. I think in my opinion, that's how it would tear biggest loser to mid loser. Well, I think you lose as a team Bobby. I mean, if we have a bad day at the office, are you going to say, Castle, your number one loser? Always. Okay, I'm at the bottom of the totem pole in brand Kevin are going to be two to three. I'm going to say, you win as a team, you lose as a team. And yes, it was a bad offensive performance. And we knew going in. It was going to be an uphill struggle against this defense for Seattle, who are eight deep on that defensive line. They're good at the second level. They have a good secondary. They've got a great scheme and they've been playing well. I don't think it was just Will Campbell that created some of those pressures. No, he was most. But the offensive line collectively didn't play well in that game. Drake may obviously had the turnovers which had been an issue throughout the playoffs as well. And you're always going to be the focal point if you're the quarterback. And Josh McDaniels, yes, he's probably sitting there re-evaluating how he called the game. Second guessing, hey, should I have done this differently? Should I have used this personnel group take advantage of there? The fact is they couldn't get anything going. I mean, it was 56 yards in the first half. That is brutal. So Will Campbell, number two is Drake May. Does Drake May suck post mortem? He had a really bad playoffs. Yeah, he did. And his nickname is officially changed. It's no longer Drake, Drake May, May. It's now back to Drake, the schedule, May. Wow. On him tough today. I'm not. Yeah, everybody is this is separation from the game now. He's a young player. I mean, absolutely. Second year in the league to achieve what he did was second MVP voting deservedly. So he helped get this team to this point. And he was absolutely the catalyst for it all. At the same time, he knows he's got to play better in the playoffs. And he faced some really good defenses. And that's how you grow up in this league. And if he would have pulled this off, it would have been absolutely the most remarkable season ever. But he didn't. And now he's got to look back in the mirror once again and reevaluate himself and go into this off season. Say how can we get over that home? I feel like the Patriots just they need to put mirrors up in every room in their facility. Everybody's just be looking in the mirror all the time. All it's nothing but mirror looking today. We're talking to look in the mirror staring the mirror and say, hey, what you got today? Drake May, through for a bunch of yards. Really great post mortem here. He threw for a bunch of yards really in the fourth card. Yeah. No, I'm talking about just over the season. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But again, when you look at it as a body of work, they did play that last play schedule. They did play in the playoffs. They played Denver's backup quarterback. Like it was pretty much a kiss from all the angels in heaven, right? Schedule. But did you watch him through the season? Like a lot of the down the field throws the accuracy. I hear you. I think he played above and beyond the expectation of what it was going to be this year with a first year off in the coordinator, then those two together. I'm not being here. No, you're just you're playing devil's advocate. I'm just being a guy. That's a question. I think next year could possibly be rough with that first play schedule to my Patriots guys here. Now you'll be playing a first play schedule. It always is. When you go out and you win the division and you come back the next year, you have your schedule that you have with wherever it might be, the NFC West or whoever it might be that year. And then you play all the top teams from the other conferences. Those are your out of conference games. And it's a much different schedule when you go up against teams like say you've got the Rams and you've got the 49 RS Seattle. If you're playing the NFC West, I mean, or those two teams would be your opponents and it's it's a grind. How do you feel Kevin going in the next year? Wow. Definitely. Not the confident patch fan. I thought I was going to hear. No, one performance. I know. Yeah. What a bandwagon. The fan. To be fair, it was more than one performance. The Denver game was not good. No. The offense against the Texans, not good, but the Texans had a really good defense. Right? Very good. Yeah. And the Texans turned the ball over five times. Yes. The Texans had a rough run for sure. Yeah. What I'm what I'm most worried about is maybe it's just because it just happened this year with the commanders. They took a huge step back because they played that first place schedule, which I understand, but you know, Daniels got hurt. So there's that factor in there. But the reason my biggest concern for Drake and I love Drake, I mean, I watch them play all year every game. He looked phenomenal throughout most of the year. But there was no like I was just waiting for a turnaround in that game and I just felt like I never got there right when it did. I was going to be through another bad pick. And I know that's probably on his head and he's a young player and I get all that. But I feel like either him or Josh McDaniel has just got to come together better. Matt knows is more than I do in a game like that to be like, all right, what is working for us and what's not. And the fact that they didn't turn around at all until maybe the fourth quarter a little bit, that's my big concern. Yeah. Seattle already dumped a gatorade. Yeah. And the middle of third, that's all the dead gatorade go over the coaches head. Yeah, it's all pretty confident at that point. Okay. So games over post mortem. How post mortem question three days out is Sam Darnel that good? Sam Darnel is for real. And I think he proved that last year. Obviously, there were a lot of doubts considering his playoff performance in the last game of the year. But then he goes out this year in the consistency of play. And then also he played his best football in the biggest moments this year in the playoffs. And I think that says something about the player and the ability to go out and play and big moments. Yeah, super ball for God's sakes. Yeah. I think he answered all the questions. He's fine. Yeah, he's pretty good. He's fine. Super ball winning quarterback. He is a super bad. Now that you cannot take away from him. Can't take away from him. But he's fine. Yeah. He's just fine. It wasn't six and a half. Great. Six and a half out of ten. Yeah. Good enough to win a super ball if you have a really good to great defense. So. Yeah. Okay. We're separated enough. I feel like we can. Didn't turn over the ball. Made the plays when he needed to make Seattle didn't turn over the ball one time all post season. That's what I'm talking about. That's good. Ray football. Yeah, that's good. Okay. That was my three post moral questions. All right. What do you got over there? All right. You know, the winter Olympics are on right now. I was sitting there the other night. I was asking my wife. I said, what Olympic winter events do you think that you not you couldn't compete in, but you could complete if I had to. If you had to. Like any winter Olympics and I know that the one, which is obvious for both of us probably is curling. You feel like you could even think about that. You could probably push that. Whatever that is down down the straightaway and I could sit there and you say, sweep, sweep and I'd sweep. But some of these skiing and the downhill free, whatever they call it, it's the most incredible athleticism you've ever seen. These women that I've watched the other day are going down, hitting the poles, landing backwards perfectly, doing what? 1400 or whatever they say with revolution. Ice skating. Well, they have ice. No, this is actually skiing downhill going off the huge ramps. Oh, off the ramp. Like the jumps. The jumps, yeah. I probably lose. Lose? Yeah. If I had to pick one, like you think you could complete the event. I could complete it. I think I could push and then get in. Well, that's part of the lose. You got to actually push and get in the thing. That's what I think I could do. That's about it. Like you got to stay on the track though. You're going to play. Why are there other people with me and they else what they're doing? So I'm just going to be the person that like jumps in real quick. There's one there's one that event that has one person in it and there's. I would die. I died on the solo lose. Yeah, there's one and then there's three or four. No, I'm going over the top. I'm going. If I get to do a solo lose, I'm going for sure going off the rail and landing on my head to kill myself. How do they steer, by the way? And I know probably like a sled when you're sledding down a hill. But you must have some kind of controls here. Underneath while you're laying down because they're laying down flat. Arrow dynamic. In that four person though, I don't know if there's a steer in there or not. I think you just get in and pray. I hope for the best. Yeah, I think you just all jump in. I'm getting hard right. Did you guys in the video, the guys in the trials that couldn't get in. Now it's all over. It's a meme America. It was. Yeah, and they could get answer. They're all flying over the top. Yeah, if I had to pick a winner sport, there's a K.A. We need to fill in something. It would be the lose because I feel like I could do the least amount of damage at that. Yeah, what about cross country scheme? I never been skiing. So I. Yeah, that would be a fault. That one plus you. I think you have to have some serious stamina for that. I don't know if I'm up for that. It would take me a long time. Yeah, I like Summer Olympics a lot more, but because we play more of those sports here in America. Right. But I'm just amazed at the athletes, the figure skater, what's his name? The guy that did the flip. Who the quads and the flip and all I know is they calling what quads, Zilla. That's all I know. Good. I don't feel like they've marketed these athletes good enough. I know who that is. And possibly because we all know the game. You're just thinking just one the gold medal. Yeah, he did win. Yeah, God. Quad God. They don't call him Quadzilla. I see quad God. If they don't call him Quad, they messed up that one. Actually, they should definitely do a short. Because I don't think I made that one up. Okay, here we go. The odds to win the Super Bowl next year already. I'll do it as soon as the game. I love betting. Number one is Seattle again. It's fair. They're tied with the team. Tied with the team. Who for you? Plus 950. Seattle's one. So this team would be one as well. The Rams. Yeah. I could see that. I mean, the way that that NFC championship game went and the three battles that they had this season, I would say that that's a fair statement right now. Just going off of last year. Go with three. Guess again. Go with three. Seattle, the Rams. And then 49ers. 49ers did not make the top 10. They didn't make the top 10. AFC team. AFC team. Oh. Do I go with the chief? No. Maybe. Let's go with the bells. The bill is a number three. Yeah. Plus 1100. Mm-hmm. Eagles at four. Patriots at five. I'm honestly surprised they're high. I am too. God, you guys just. I know. I know. I don't know why because I don't hate the people. They're in the Super Bowl for God's sake. It's still at 17 and four. It's so fresh. I know. Give it a week. It's a second season for God's sake. They're going to go out and spend some more money. Get you know, fill some holes, build off of a great defense that they have. Nobody's arguing with you. OK, you are. I'm not sorry. I can't believe there in number five. But I wasn't arguing with anyone. I just can't. I know. I just like to argue. A great deal of fire. Packers at seven. Lions at eight. Chargers at nine. Chiefs at 10. I'm all in on the chiefs. I think the chiefs are going to have a comeback here. At plus 1,500. And they're going to play a weaker schedule. Like part of what happened last year. Obviously a low aging. But I think they're drafting like nine, which is crazy high for the chiefs. Yeah. At least in recent memory, because they've won or got close to winning for the past. They won three. Eight, 10 years. They went to five super bowls and won three of them. Both the bangles and the chiefs are drafting up high. I think both of those teams can be really good next year. But yeah, the chiefs at number 10, a plus 1,500. So Tennessee Titans are on there. I don't even think they put them on the list. Like they're not even one of the NFL teams. I think this is a team though that look, they were awful this year. I get it. Robert. Yeah. Robert Sala comes in. Brian Debal came aboard as a promising young quarterback in this league. They've got over $100 million in cap space that they can go out and spend. They've got a high draft pick as well. They've got draft capital. So I mean, you sit here and you talk about these team that make these huge shifts from one year to the next. They're in a position right now. I don't want to spend money to better themselves in the draft. And they're bringing a guy like Robert Sala and somebody that's done it in the office inside the ball with Brian Debal. And also been a head coach. They could surprise some teams this year. I think one of the things that the Titans have to do next year is let the organization organize and not be an owner always meddling. Yes. The owner needs to stay out of it. And they let the football people do the football thing and go out there. And from your GM to your head coach, make those decisions. Who are we bringing in from a personal personnel standpoint? And then what the chips fall where they may? I love letting the chips fall. I mean, isn't it the best? I love letting the chips fall. Please, chips on the ground. I love letting the chips fall. Please, chips on the ground. MVP odds. You want a player? Let me tell you. MVP odds. Let's play. All right. You bet $100. Go ahead. OK. I bet $100. I'm going to go with Josh Allen. So far, you want $100. He is at number one. The favorite for the MVP next year at plus $550. I believe he was. Third this year? Because it went Stafford. Yeah. Drake made Josh Allen Justin Herbert. Yeah, I think I had two votes. And then Christian McCaffrey, possibly at five. OK. All right. Boom. So I got that. Number two, I am going to go with Matthew Stafford. No. No. Not on the list at all. No. Well, not on the top five. Three, five, six, eight. Lamar Jackson. And number two, Lamar Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And number two, Lamar Jackson. So it's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. And number three, Jalen Hertz, Patrick Mahomes. Pat, how do you? They don't make it one year. Nobody sleeps. He's back. I have plus a thousand Herbert at four, burrow at five, Drake May at five. Dack at, I guess that would be seven and Stafford at eight. Dacks always in the mix. He's in the mix from, I mean, he's really pretty in mid. Preseason, Dacks in the mix. The middle of the year, Dacks usually in the mix. But man, the Cowboys just don't win. Yeah, but they've got, they've got a lot of draft capital too. Don't they have two first rounders this year? And they're talking about bringing Pickens back, which I know he's pushing. Yeah, they're franchising them, right? So they're not talking about them. Oh, then he's going to have CD Lam and Pickens back. He'll put up some numbers for sure. Would you want to be franchise? I did. I was franchise. If you're him. I think that's the only way to keep him in building without paying him and committing long term money to somebody that has obviously proven that he can be a headache and go off the rails at times. Even last season you saw it. He's got a temperament that you sit there as ownership. And you try to put that aside because he is a phenomenal player. If he could ever get the mental side of it together with the physical side, you'd sit there and go, man, he's probably the best, one of the best wide receivers in the game. But he can become a distraction. And that's the worry, I think, with every organization in George Pickens going back to the Steelers even last year at different points in the season. But if you just talk about raw talent, my goodness, the guy is special. I wouldn't want to be franchise to fight with him. And I would be a bit annoyed. Yeah, you're making good money. You're making the average of the top five wide receivers or whatever that is. But the sentiment was, as he was dominating this year, he's going to get paid. He's going to get paid. He's going to get paid. He has getting paid, but he's getting paid on a one year deal. And then he's also risking injury and headache. Yes. Because if he gets hurt or if he's a headache again, I think that hurts what he's worth going forward. Where if you're him, you were just going to get paid. If they didn't franchise you, you're going to go somewhere and you're going to get a multi-year deal and you're going to get paid. So if I'm him, I'm a bit irritated that I have to play through the franchise tag. There's no doubt about that. And I think that's the issue with a lot of guys. They get franchise. They've proven themselves. They're here to set up a second contract. Maybe it's a third contract. Go out and make their money. And that's where you make your money in the NFL. And for him to be franchise, there's got to be some discontent with the fact that he's now got to go prove it again. And he's got it somewhat, maybe keep it himself and check. Which might be a good thing for the Cowboys. He almost kept himself and checked last year until the end of the season. Right. Like that was the story. Like Pickens is awesome. And also when CD was out a bit, he definitely showed he could be a number one. But he also kept his mental game, right? For most of the year until he went off and then he was off again. Right. And that's the issue that you have as any organization that are going to bring in George Pickens is you have to calculate that into the equation and say, is he a guy that at some point is going to be more of a distraction than a help on the football field? If it was just football and you turned on the film, you go, oh, I pay that guy today. Four year, whatever it is, whatever your dollar amount is, I'll take you. You'll be your number one. But the fact is he's proven time and time again that he does have that quality about himself. And that's the issue. When you got franchise, was it in New England and they held you to go to Kansas City? That's exactly right. It was because there was some complications with Brady coming back. And so they franchise me. So I wouldn't walk out of that building. And then once they understood that Brady's coming back, that's when they had my rights and got to make the decision basically for me of who they were going to trade me to. Was it so cool to get paid though? Yeah. I mean, that would not be awesome. Not gonna lie, when I saw them, they sent over the franchise contract. And I was sitting there, I was like, hold on, what does that say? It's the average of what I really didn't understand. I knew that they had my rights, but didn't understand what that meant in terms of money. And it was obviously, I was a seventh round draft pick. They can make a league minimum for the first four years of my career. And then when I saw that, I was like, just tell me, where do I sign? Just get on me to read. No, I'm not sure you needed it. I don't need to read any of this. Yeah. Just give me it. Boom. I signed it. And then parlayed that into my contract with the chiefs. That's so cool. It was great. There's something to be said about when you see a check for the first time and think that it can make an impact on you. Make an impact on your life in such a different way. You get paid every game every two weeks. Organizations do it differently. Normally, some, some teams will do it every week. Some teams will do it every two weeks. And just, and then there are organizations that you have the ability to pay yourself out throughout the entirety of the year. So instead of getting it every game, like you want to. Suns, lump sums just during the season. You can do it throughout the course of the year. Could you just get like a regular check even in the off season though? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So you're safer to do that. Probably safer for some guys. Yeah, I've definitely seen the guys that go out and get their first contract as a fourth runner by a Mazda Rade or something like that. And I'm going, what the hell did you do that for? What did you buy? A couch. Nice. I did. I went out and bought myself a restoration hardware leather couch. That's nice. I was pretty pleased with it. Still have it today. One of, yeah, I'm a very simple guy. You know, it's, I'm not a flash you get, dude. I'm not going to go out and, you know, buy a car or jewelry or anything like that. Just give me a nice couch. I can sit on and hang out. Do you have any jewelry at all? My wedding ring and an apple watch that keeps my steps, but that's about it. Yeah, you have any jewelry? I can see you as like a blind guy, like a little something around the neck. I have. You're a watch guy. Like in the last two to three years, I became a watch guy. Are you one that goes out and seeks out rare? Not anymore and not rare, but nice. I probably have 12 to 15 really nice watches. So that was your cut off when you slowed down? 12 to 15 just in case you need to tell time on your angle or something like that. Yeah, it's a good point. I feel like I slowed down because I couldn't find any that were so different than the ones that I had. Yeah. And I just became bored with trying to find super nuance. Got it. Because like this one here, this is a red Rolex. I love red. Yes, of course. And speaks to you. I was looking for a red face Rolex. I finally found this one. Boom, got it off list. I've got a few that I'm super happy with and proud of. It's on my breakout for like super special occasions. So I became a watch guy. I guess I am a watch guy. I know the difference in the watches now. I don't really wear jewelry. The rings I have on now are, this is an or ring. Right. And then this is my wedding ring and it's silicone. It's rubber. I'm not sure why for a silicone ring. No, but here's the real story. Yeah, let's see when you lost your ring. I didn't lose it, but I don't lose stuff. You think I'm a guy that loses stuff? I mean, there's potential if you're wearing rubber ring. I'm just, I'm very active. Okay, I have to do you still have. Oh, yeah. Here's the ring that I have. So I go and I pick up a wife's engagement ring. She didn't have anything to do with picking it out. I picked it out. I can see that by you because you're a gift giver. I am. And crushed with it is an amazing ring. Yeah, I mean, there is such an inequality when it comes to ring buying for weddings. So I bought me a ring, a guy ring that's made of, I don't know, whatever it's made of. What is it? Gold and diamonds. It's not gold, but it's a silver and I put diamonds all on the inside of it. Yeah, you did. And then I just don't like wearing it. Tony, you bought yourself your own wedding ring. That's really forcing the hand of her. Don't worry, babe, I've got everything there. That would win with me. I got my ring. She won't with me for the, because we already, I already given her hers. But there's a difference. I gave her her engagement ring. Yeah, and then you got to get the wedding ring. Well, the way we went to get the wedding band, we did that together and it was smaller. But then we were buying mine and it was like, you can buy this one for like $110. I'm like, all that I spent, like I want to, but I don't ever wear it because I don't like ring. I don't like hard rings on my hand. Yeah. The bench press. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've never taken this. And I'm like, I don't like wearing rings. So I have to wear my ring. That sucks. Yeah, I almost lost it one day. I was coming up. I would just leave it on for practice and forget about it. And then one day I was coming off and I could not find my ring. And it was somewhere on the practice field. Luckily, Oroki was out there and I asked him if he would go, look, he went and looked. He found the ring. I was like, yes. Yes. But that was the only time I got close. So I've had this thing for 19 years. Well, yeah, how about that? Never lost it. Also crazy that you've been right 19 years. Pretty crazy, right? Yeah, good for you. Thank you. Yeah. My ring though is pretty baller. I'll wear it one day. You'll like it. It's got a bunch of diamond in the inside. Why on the inside? Wouldn't that be more uncomfortable? Well, it'd be both, well, and then I know, not underneath. So it's, and it's on the inside. Yeah. Lovely ring. Yeah. I like it. Yeah, yeah. Lovely. I just don't like wearing jewelry. But the thing about watches too, they hold their value. Yeah. For the most part, like, it's not like a car that you drive off the lot and you lose 20, 20% on it immediately. It depreciates. It's one of those things that the trade in values is usually pretty substantial or close to what you paid for it. If it's one of the watches that you obviously own, 15 of them. You never became a watch guy, huh? No. If I just need to tell time, just give me something that can tell time. Yeah, I have my phone for that. So if it's about telling time, yeah, I like it myself on it. Yeah, that's true. I mean, one of the gifts that Brady gave me was a Mavado watch and it's probably the nicest watch I have. I maybe have, I do have two watches. I've got the Mavado watch and I've got this watch and I can appreciate a nice piece, like a nice piece like that when you're dressed up and you've got to go out, you're not wearing this Apple watch. It makes you, it adds a little something to, uh, to the fit. I don't want to be the one to tell you that we call you a lapel because everybody laughs at you because yeah, well, you should see my steps. Did I crush that thing and then how many times a week does it tell me you completed five workouts this week? That's right. We don't call you a lapel. Don't worry. You know, old Apple that my Apple watch because I have an Apple watch. I rarely wear it because I always forget to charge it. It's really, uh, there's this thing that goes into the wall and then it goes right by your bed and you just kind of plop it on there. Yeah. I'm familiar. Yeah. Oh, you like to sleep with it to see your rhythms. Yeah. That's why I wear my ring, my or ring. Oh, is that what it tracks? Sleep mostly sleep. I use it for sleep every night. Do you really? Hmm. Hmm. Well, what do you find out about your sleep? Do you sleep all? No, I know I don't sleep all, but it'll tell me how long I slept or my heart rate was. It gives you like a readiness score. How good your body feels that day. Sometimes it'll go, you have stressors. And so it's indicated these stressors and usually that means I'm about to get sick and that's crazy when it does that doesn't play with your mind though. Yes, but I would say the other way it works too. Or if I feel like I got garbage sleep and I look down and it says I got six and a half or seven hours, which is rare for me. I'm like, dang, I should feel good. And I talk to myself into feeling good for the same reason. Yeah. So it's a little bit of back and forth. Yeah, but I believe it. Do you believe it? Yeah. Because I can work out and it'll tell me how long I worked out what my heart rate was. Yeah, that's what an Apple watch does. All that. Yeah. But I wear it as a ring. And you don't have to charge it. Yeah, I have to charge it like once every six days. Oh. It's not a commercial, by the way. I don't have any deal with it. Before we get to Cam Jordan and our guests, I just wanted to save this for the last part of this segment. Perfect. What's it like to lose a Super Bowl? I know. I'm that because you did. Yeah. I mean, I'm telling you, it's what I know what it's like like in the locker room. You got to fly all that. Yeah, it's an emotional scene in the locker room after because you put everything into the season. You know, you might not get another opportunity to go to the Super Bowl just like the one that I went to in 2007. We didn't go back to the Super Bowl. The rest of my career, and I played 14 years, but I think that's the feeling for a lot of guys in the locker room when they know that they are at the cusp of greatness and have that moment that they've worked their entire life for. And it slips through them where they don't have a good performance. And so there's some guys that are obviously visibly emotional. There's other guys sitting there in their locker room. I mean, in their locker trying to kind of take it all in. A lot of guys giving hugs and going around and there's those leaders that are saying keep your head up and go that route. So it's difficult because it sticks with you. And then you're always playing that over and over. And it's not for a few months after the fact that you finally can move forward and start getting yourself prepared for the next season. But you were year four, right? Right. So you probably, I thought maybe, yeah, you're so young in your career that maybe you think with all the years, there's a possibility where I would assume if you were a veteran and you've played in the league 10 years or so and that happens, it's probably a harder, right? And I think a guy like Junior Say Howe who came in that year and was a leader on our team with vocal leader would break us down before we'd go out. It hit him hard for sure. I mean, because it was his last opportunity. It got like Randy Moss, who's there, who's had a phenomenal career and had an outstanding season that year that hit him hard. Brady, same thing because Brady, his expectation, his greatness. And I don't think it was until I left New England that I realized not just how hard it is to get to the Super Bowl, how hard it is to win consistently in the playoffs. Because there's so many changes that take place every year for every organization, whether it's free agents leaving, coaches leaving. When you're successful, normally your team's going to change dramatically in many ways going into the next season. That one season or that one team will never be the same. And so there's a lot of pride that goes into what went into that season, the guys that you worked with the brotherhood and then to reach it and actually not being able to achieve it, it can be very difficult. Was there a point in that game where you're going, okay, now we're not going to end? You know, I always thought that we were on the cusp there and then it was when Plexico Burris ran that sluggo and went in. And I don't know how much time was on the clock, but it wasn't much. And I don't think we had any timeouts and we had to go 80 that I was like, this is we might not win. We might not win. And I still thought, I thought some kind of crazy play where Brazier throw it up to Moss, 70 yards on field, he's going to make a miraculous catch. We're going to get back and win the game. But that was the point when I was like, ooh, I'm a little, little worried here. Because I feel like that's what happened to New England this year on that interception. Or maybe even the three and out outside of half, but even after the half, the three and out happens, there's still a lot of game left and you're only down what nine. Right. I think the big changing point for them was when they got the three and out, they had Seattle backed up. They got a three and out. Milton wins had to sack. They have the punt. Jonathan Jones has a great return, blocking the back, brings them back and then they turn over the ball. I mean, that was a moment still down. I think at that point, nine, nothing to where you go make a move and start going and even get three points and get a little momentum. They just never captured momentum that entire game. And that was a huge turning point, I believe. We're going to go now and talk to Cam Jordan. New Orleans Saints all time, sack leader, future hall of fame, or cam is an eight time pro bowler. He had 10.5 sacks or 10 and a half. You know, say 10.5. 10.5. He said 10.5. I just said 10 and a half. Yeah. 10.5 sacks this past year has a zone podcast called off the edge of cam Jordan. So check that out. Do you ever play with Cam? I did not. He's been a saint as an entire career. Do you ever play against Cam? Sure did. And he is a beast. Really? Oh man. Do you hear him? He constantly is chattering. You'll hear it on the interview. I mean, obviously he knows how to talk and he knows he's got swagger to him and he's one of the better ones that you play against because you're constantly going to hear him. Here he is. Cam Jordan. Good to see you, man. Hey, pleasure. Let's wrap me on. Do you feel like since you're doing the podcast and you're also playing? Do you feel like there are things you can't say because while you're playing it? Oh. Yeah. There's been many controversial topics that I've approached. No, I say what I want. When I want, if you don't feel some type of way about it, luckily I'm still currently playing. So if an officer lineman feels like he's not fat, show me. Or if he's not athletic or whatever that is, show me. Like I saw Garrett Bowles in the pro bowl out there snagging a couple of tuddies. I said, okay, we're in the cusp. He wasn't against the separation, but we're in the cusp. I see what you did there. You know, I love the idea that I can talk trash about maybe a quarterback or whatever that is in a polite way that isn't degrading towards the entire quarterback system. But make a statement of how I'm going to tackle and do so accordingly. Or if we lose, let's talk about it hurts. Nobody goes into a game trying to lose. I think I'm going to win every game by 50 and I'm proven wrong sometimes. Talk about your longevity and the league. You've been doing it for a long time. You're the sack leader like for the Saints, which is incredible in itself. You talk about season of career because you're a career. Career and season. What are we covering it all? He covered it all. Hey, say, hey, let me tell you what I'm saving all the all the. I know a guy by what one by the big. Yeah, what do you what would you say is the key to your longevity? Man, you honestly, you could say the way that I attack off season workouts or the way that I treat my body with prehab. But there's so many guys that do that. There's no one individual thing like I've been able to play all the games in my career except these two. One because of COVID, one because the coach said that I was not wasn't allowed to play with the broken bone when I played with playing a broken belt before. It's I mean between God's blessings, my mother's prayers and look, what else can you say? Because you could be as healthy as you want to be. You could put as much emphasis on training the ligaments around your core muscles. Yeah, so it's something's going to tear. Are you willing are you willing enough to play through it? And it fell 100% of injuries happen if you play long enough. You know, I can remember breaking my first, you know, met a metacarpal my rookie year. I don't know like a two-zare Wednesday. I was playing by Sunday. They used to say, hey, Cam, do you want to play apps? A freaking lootly I do. And you know, I've had the high ankle sprains on one ankle and then having low ankle sprains on the other ankle. I'm out there looking like a pony and I watched Gino Smith run to the outside and cut up and I can't pivot. I'm like, ding, maybe I shouldn't have been out here. But at the same time, I've bent the corner and stopped the run and did everything else in it. It's all about enabling yourself with the confidence and then it just builds over time. Like, oh, yeah, you got a, you know, a lower back problem. You got a L4 L5 that's going to have a decec for me surgery at the end of season. All right, but can I play? And if I can get out there and play to what my standard is, I'm going. It's all about the one two at the end of the day and half of it, honestly, is that arrogant like confidence of where we're mortals and we're immortal in that moment. Right? Like we're immortalized through the pain. Like, oh, my God, I can't believe he actually got out there and he separated the shoulder last week and he's still playing. You saw Fred Warner this year dislocate his ankle, right? And we also have the clips of him. My players, they're freaking coming downhill. I'm like, this dude is unreal. The legend of the game, the legendary stories of what makes the game so great. You see a guy, we applaud a basketball player that, you know, that don't play with a broken finger. That happens every other game, if not every other play for some guys. And my finger pops this way and I just popped back in. You grab, you know, you grab a little tongue lozenger and bite on it, pause, whoa. And then you read, just it and you go back in. You know, you have times where you may have a broken risk or even a slightly fraction risk. And you just put race, mistake on it. Some of the few times I have to wear a wrist tape. Like I'm here to, they say the best ability is availability. And I bought fully in on this in high school. Which quarterback can you get to, but it's been the hardest to take down once you get to him? A guy like Lamar Jackson for whatever reason is hard for me because he's a ducker. Like I'm trying, like in today's rules, you can't just pop him underneath the chain anymore. You can't just like murder him outright. You have to like calmly ask them, hey, if I touch you, I'm about to put hands on you. And oh, by the way, just land ever so just softly on the foot. No, it's hard. Now as fast as he is, as quick as he is, I remember I hit him multiple times one game. And I ducked, he ducked over, he spanned out. He, I was like, what the hell is it me? I said, maybe I don't have anywhere in the next game. I have like two sex against their car, whoever whatever's next. I was like, it's just him for some whatever reason. I remember I hit, I tried to murder him too. I said, screw it. I'm going for it. I try to hit him. He ducks. I go over the top. He rolls out. I get up and I slap his ankles. And he still like jumps off one foot throws a dot to the side. I'm like, you know what? MVP. He's different. Yeah, he's different. I mean, that's true. Are you a firm believer that the league sets up rules that go against the defensive players? That's not a set. Yeah, what's the role that you hate the most for DBs for DBs for DBs? How about the hit pack? It's the targeting situation, right? The face of players, like a quarterback. I saw Karl Grannis in this year hit a quarterback. Of course, he's blindside because he plays primarily to the guy's blind side. He hit him. It wasn't even vicious. They call flag, right? It's the, why receivers who run free, the Titans who are not scared anymore to go over the middle used to have to fear the middle. He used to be like, the quarterback, you better not place me in a bad position. He used to be a quarterback's fellow. And now we're like, I can't believe this safety came down from deep third and made this incredible tackle on this, why receiver who's going 22 miles per across the middle and how dare he lay him out? Right. I mean, I love those hits. I was born off the Deon dockins. I was raised in the Joey Brown era. I saw guys fear that middle. Maybe I would have told John Randall he couldn't blindside hit a quarterback. Are you kidding me? Reggie White? I feel like grabbing them in head locks as they go down, like go to sleep, little fellow. And now I've got to like hit him with the pillow. Hey, I'm coming. Are you as vocal on the field? Jesus loves everybody. Are you as vocal on the field? Absolutely. I love being a vocal leader. I mean, who I am doesn't change 24, 7. Now the older I get, the more guys kill me with kindness now, and it's completely taking me out of my game. I'm like, I'm going to be respectful. I'm going to be respectful. I'm driving to dirt. Hey, man, you have a really good play, bro. Hey, man, respect. Like, don't pregame like, hey, bro, respect everything you've done. I respect you too. What are we doing here? Exactly. Let's get to the beat. All right. How about offensive lineman, young offensive lineman? You got up in the league this year. Who do you think that is going to have some long Jeffies to be? Come on. You got to go out of my way to disrespect this one. You got to be out of my way to make sure that we're not friends. There's got to be one one guy that you have to rule with. No, nobody. Yeah. No, you don't respect him. Yeah. Taylor Moton. Taylor Tristan. Taylor Tristan. I'm just going to say names that I know. Yeah. And that would make it open. Yeah, exactly. They're good people. I'm sure. Maybe dapped me up after the game. I mean, I'm going to respect them absolutely, but it's like, I don't want to know their names because I don't want to know things about them. I treat them as like, oh, yeah, number 67 for the week. And then I do automatically try to forget them. Because I don't want to be like, man, after you build a rapport with them, you're like, I actually like this guy. Damn it. I can't like this guy because I'm trying to punch a hole in his chest. I'm like, I don't have the ability to like, oh, man, we're friends and I don't want to hurt them. No, no. I have to do my job. I'm going to do my job. If I know your name is probably not positive, I'm like, oh, I'm dog walking him. What's the goal? How many more years do you want before you transition into what feels like an automatic media career? It could be today. It ain't going to be today. It ain't going to be today. Hey, come on. Come on. Tell us on the fuck. If a media offer came through and it was like, hey, Cam, we got Tom Brady numbers for you. Brother, I'm never looking back. Not that money is ever going to change everything, but at this day and age, I look at it as a respect factor. Right? I've played for a team. I've given money back. I had money taken from me, whatever you want to say, that sentence. And I was like, yo, like because of that, I know that they're going to try and limit snaps because they're, they put faith or they put whatever it is until a different position. Right? Money is respect. And I think I've seen that as after the first contract. I don't really care what the top dollar is or the lowest dollar is. Put it to where you have to respect my, my, my ability and put, actually want to put me in a better place too. I like it. I like a blitz named after me. I love when they say, hey, Cam, this will get you free. Yeah. Ma, we're going to have five guys up at the front line. I'm going to get a one-on-one for sure. I love that. And when we talk about, you know, oh, whoa, you start projecting whatever it is. At some point, money is not going to make or break me at this point of my career. I've been blessed enough to have stayed with the same team for 15 years and they've showed tremendous amount of love and respect to me over the years. And I've got nothing but tremendous amount of love and respect for New Orleans. And I will have for the rest of my life. So at this point, I just want to be valued. Yeah. Talk to me about the community service you've done in New Orleans because obviously you've been up for the Walter Peyton Man at a year, multiple times. And you do a lot of great work. Talk about the passion there. Man. So first, again, it was sort of selfish that I started talking to the middle schools and in elementary and high schools around New Orleans. Honestly, I was just trying to know my area. You know, so I was driving out in Batarougi. And I was talking to, you know, I was talking to people out in the units and going to New Iberia and possibly like just seeing what's out in the world. I'm like, man, for me, being from Arizona, I've got Chandler, Tempe, Mesa, Scottsdale, Peoria, all these surrounding cities that is just easily accessible in New Orleans. Sometimes it just feels like it's New Orleans because 45 minutes away is your nearest city to get somewhere, Baton Rouge. Right. You know, but it's like, so what about these subdivisions? What am I, how can I impact my community? I don't know much about the South. Being a West Coast kid. I know California. I know Arizona. I know, you know, Southwest Mexican food. Like I don't, and it's a staple for me. I could do, I could do New Orleans and I'm eating Gator bites and boot and balls and, oh, it's a lockout year. So I don't know anybody. I'm just like, I got dropped off in the South. Hey kid, figure it out. No, you don't have your sign to be able to sit yet because we don't know if we're going to have a season. I'm like, it's me and I'm meeting people and I'm talking to the local bartenders. I'm talking to guys I mean the best by guys. I mean the target. Hey man, you should try out this food. And the greatest thing about the South is they're so endearing. They bring you in. So I have to give it a show and that much love. I'm like, man, I got to give back. So beyond just talking to kids in high school is nowhere I'm at. How can I help my community? Oh, there's a digital divide. How can I help break this down? Oh, there's an impairment of trust and relations between the police and in terms of how they're policing the public. How can I help that? How do we bring in leaders to community leaders and introduce that into the police force of which may help because they got transplant police officers that don't know the lingo. They don't know the body mannerisms of what it is to be a new or lenient. How is it that I can sit here and talk about how I want to help the next generation without actually going to these schools, seeing these schools and they got broken binders and they've got, you know, they don't have Wi-Fi in 2020 or they don't have the greatest science labs. I'm like, there's so many avenues we can get to. Beyond just money, give time, give effort, grant some of those Amazon wishlist that teachers have. Come, they're coming out of their own pocket, which is crazy to me. They're not making enough money to come out of pocket and yet they do because that's the kind of heart to have. Or you see all these people that give back. They're like, man, how can I not want to give back as well? Not the edge with Cam Jordan, the podcast. Appreciate the time. Absolutely stay healthy. Appreciate for having me. I just want to attend it. Shout out to Cam Jordan Foundation. We were able to send four kids to school last year. We've just sent another four this year. We pay for all the tuition. The legacy scholarship program that we've had over Cam Jordan Foundation has been phenomenal. And I can't wait to say one day like, oh man, I sent, you know, this generation to school. Not that it's able, but whatever money we raise, we're definitely trying to push through to them. That's awesome. Appreciate the time. Thanks Cam. I watched some of the pro bowl games. Very little of them. The pro bowl games. Oh, yeah. No, that's called the pro bowl games now. The inner mirror stuff. It's like football. That's the little other game. So the ratings are disaster, but they're supposed to be because everyone knows that's not that interesting. Right. But you actually, when you were a pro bowl quarterback, you went to Hawaii. Yeah, yeah. Dude, that was the good old days. I just want to know what the experience was like in general. It was incredible because one, being named of the pro bowl is obviously an honor. But then when you get to that destination of Hawaii and you get to stay at that hotel, you walk in and there's Ray Lewis and Sugs and Matt Light and Peyton Manning and Drew Breeze and all these guys that you've watched over the years be that successful. It's one of those moments where you kind of pinch yourself, right? Here amongst greatness and coach Belichick happened to be our coach that year. Is that because you won the Super Bowl the year before? Is that how they coach it? No, it's whoever loses in the AFC. AFC Championship and NSC Championship day. Of that year? Yes, of that year. They have to go and coach in the pro bowl or at least they used to. Now it is. Yeah. I got celebrity coaches. Yeah, I got celebrity coaches. Yeah. But back then, those guys not only did you lose in the AFC Championship or the NSC Championship, but then you have to go coach the pro bowl. But the setup was so cool because it's only you and your families and I brought out my family. I brought out my wife's family, some of my best friends, to experience it with me because it's something that's special for all of them and the people that support you through the years to give them access like that and be around. But I mean, practice is a joke. You wake up in the morning. You go get it. I went and got a workout in one morning. Peyton invited me to go get a workout in, which was great. But I was like, well, workout. Do you mean like lift weights or throw? He wanted to lift weights. So we went and lifted weights, dude. And I thought I was like on vacation, but I'm like, cool. Let's go lift weights. Then you go to this practice that is walk through tempo. You're just trying to learn the terminology that they put in front of you the night before. And then after that, you go put your board shorts on and you're at the hotel bar and you rip it up for the rest of the day and hope that you wake up the next day and time for practice. And that's really how everybody's mode of operation is. But it's a blast. You get to know people. You get to sit down, tell good stories, especially guys that you've battled against that year. I think the cool part was probably the first meeting we had that both teams come into the one room and the coaches talked a little bit. But then Pete Manigay got up and gave an introductory speech. And he's calling players out like, hey, just guys, let's just make sure that there's not a camera around because that's when Ray Lewis will come up and start talking and doing all that stuff. But he basically hammers people and all that stuff. But it's just a cool environment of a bunch of guys that you have respect for and that are have obviously proven themselves. And then the week itself goes by and the games fantastic. They sell out the crowd, but the game itself as cool as it is. You're hitting each other, but you're kind of playing half speed right until you're closer to the end. Now there's only one guy that I know that I watched when I was out there that you got guys, Adrian Peterson, when he touched the ball, he's going 150 miles an hour trying to run through people's faces. And like everybody's eyes are like, did Adrian's getting in the ball. We got a man up right here. So it is definitely competitive and it's an attack or football game and you see these guys competitive. Jesus come out. But the fourth quarter is really, hey, that's where the money is because you win the game. You get an extra 20. Probably paid for the trip then a little more. It's for the trip. So if you got people coming, I was like, come home, baby. We ended up losing the game by a touchdown or something like that. But I mean, and then you go back and you have this incredible celebration with all the coaches and the players and the families and they put out great food and anybody get hurt? Nobody got hurt in our game. Not that I know. It's kind of the goal, right? The goal is to leave in one piece for sure because the last thing you want to do especially at that time of the year. And that's why I think it is more tempoed in pace is because guys know the risk of injury would be brutal at that time of the year in January or leading up to the next season already. You're just to talk about God forbid somebody to get a knee injury or something like that. So we're players like not cut blocking where there's certain rules. Oh, there's certain rules in place. There's no blitzing or if yeah, there was no blitzing, no cut blocks. You only could play certain coverages. So it honestly is an exhibition and it's true as for them. And there's really good players out there. There's no doubt about it. But there are definitely constraints on what you can and cannot do. And then also you get up to the bar and like Matt Light would be sitting there next to Suggs and be like, hey, you'll go hard on me. I won't go hard on you. Whoever he was blocking that game. And so I remember in the game at one point, Matt's doing like swim hands where it's like out in front of him and the guys shimmering in front of him, like not rushing. And I was like, oh, wow, that took it to the next level. At least you've got to see some guys go a little bit harder than others. But it was a great experience. Do you think they should have kept playing it full padded? Because I can understand why they stopped doing that. Yeah, I think that part of it was early on and throughout its history, it was a game that was an honor to go to and it was the free trip out there and all that. And then what I believe started happening was a lot of the guys weren't showing up. Maybe for risk of injury, some of them, you know, you get done with a playoff game, whether you're a Brady or somebody like that. And you just, you don't want to go play another game and take, go out and travel. I think that they're losing probably some of the guys that they really wanted to showcase. And finally, they said it's not worth these guys potentially getting injured playing tackle football. We'll just make it a showcase somehow some way, which is evolved into what it is today. Do you think now at this point you just named a pro-ball team 100 percent? That way it's the literal pro-boulders as well that's making the team the hit their contract. They get their incentive, first, second, third string pro-ball and then they're not having to find new people and then you get people that really didn't have pro-ball seasons. Should I go? I didn't say anybody specifically, but I think if they just named the pro-ball teams. Right. You name them and you, like, I don't know, I know that they're trying to fill airtime and do all that stuff and people probably, some people will tune in to watch it. They might as well play maddening against each other. Exactly. I have no interest in watching that game. Like, I really don't. It was a flag football game. They should honestly just sit on a trip out to Hawaii and do the same thing without the game. I mean, because if you're going to spend that much money anyway to go down to Florida and set up shop and make a weekend out of it, you know, they're still here, didn't they? San Francisco? I think now they brought people back to here. I'm almost positive that's where it was. Okay. Now we're going to go over and talk to Scott Hallembeck, who is the CEO and director of the USA flag football. And we learned a lot about it because we think we know football. I think we might have a chance, Bobby. We do not have a chance to play for the national team. I don't know, dude, with your quickness. I do not have quickness. I've seen you play pickleball. I'm telling you, I'm on one ankle. And if a guy only rushes me from seven yards away and he's not 350 pounds, I think I've got an opportunity to get the ball out to you. This actually was pretty interesting. It was fascinating. Yeah, and how they're trying to build it up for the Olympics because there will be flag football in the Olympics and then we talk, do talk about NFL players. So here he is, Scott Hallembeck, talking about flag football the United States team. Hey, Scott, thanks for hanging out with us. I got a lot of questions. What kind of football? This is going to be a real thing at the Olympics. Like, who's playing? It's a real thing. Absolutely. I mean, first of all, it'll likely be a combination. We're working through all those details is the reality. So NFL players are eligible. OK. So I mean, we're, you know, they were just at the pro ball, right? All the players are saying they're interested. And I was just share with Matt that, you know, this is, it's not your grandfather's flag football. I mean, this is really sophisticated. It's five on five. It's a 25 by 50 yard field. So less than half the size of a traditional football field, tackle football field. And it's, you know, it's man to man. It's you're on an island on defense and offense, even we had a game last night, team USA versus team X, co men. So the highest quality players, you know, in the country right now playing what effectively was our gold medal game because we didn't get to have it in Panama during the continental championships. And the end of the score was 35 34. So a very competitive high scoring dynamic game. And these are the best athletes. Now you try to layer in NFL players in the process is how are we going to teach them this very different style of football? My, my question would be with these NFL players, you talked about the commitment level. Talk a little bit about what that means. If they do commit to doing this and the pool that they have to go into, but also from the drug testing policies and everything like that, it's fascinating. Yeah. So there's just, there's a Olympic movement has a lot of sort of policies and procedures and bureaucracy like probably any major sporting organization. So and it's a different world. So for example, we're looking at the concept of next summer having what we're going to call acclimation cans. So we'll bring in NFL players, we'll teach them again this version of football, five on five Olympic fives as we call it. And you know, see what comes out of that. But the moment we create a pool of athletes, you know, elite flag football players, non-proves and some number of pros, you become, you are now followed by the IOC and you're in what they call wear about testing. So you have to tell them where you're going to be at all times and the World Antidoping Association can come to your house and do testing. So we need to make sure the players understand all of this detail. Not to mention in 28, you're going to go through a process of trials to training cans building towards the Olympics. Not unlike an NFL season, we'll have cut down camps and eventually traditionally we're 12 players on a roster and the Olympics we can only have 10. So it's even tighter. So we're going to have to work with them, but you're likely not going to get any vacation time at all and all of 28. You have to go through your entire regular schedule for NFL and then squeeze in something called the Olympics as well and go right back to the 28 NFL season. And how's the NFL reacted to these players coming straight from games to play Olympics to go back and the possible worst case scenario, an injury happening? Obviously that's, yeah. Not what anybody wants, but the NFL is all in. I mean, they've, I give him credit. I've been working for 20 years at the NFL and they, this is number one, their biggest growth strategy internationally and it's working incredibly well with obviously the addition of their international games. So the owners have already made the commitment. They've said one player per NFL team can be on one of the country teams. So in the Olympic movements, obviously it's USA, Canada, Mexico, etc. There will only be six men and six women's teams. It's not that many openings. So, so I mean, they want as many NFL players on as many of those teams as they can possibly get. That's what we're being told. So there's a real commitment to this on their end and right now both sides, the League Office, USA Football, the International Federation, we're all working together to figure out exactly how this is going to work. And if you're a betting man, though, how many of those 10 spots do you think actually would go to an NFL player because you're also the pool players that you're talking about here, they're all going to be skilled players, right? We're not talking about defensive linemen, offensive linemen. You're talking about highly skilled, short area quickness, all those different elements that you have to have to play this game. That's exactly right. I honestly, I mean, it could be one NFL player, it could be 10. The way I look at it and, you know, I'm not even in the room making the final decision. So is offensively quarterbacks receivers granted smaller, tighter windows, tighter space in a 25 by 50 yard field, they'll pick that up. It's all a matter of how much time do they really have, how serious are they about this opportunity to represent the country and get a gold medal. No one wants to risk losing the gold medal. Roger said that, the League, everyone's on board with that, like we cannot lose the gold medal. But I will tell you the international, the quality of the international competition has dramatically improved. I will quick, the way it works is the moment you're in the Olympic Games, now all of your government funding and everyone else in the world gets government funding, not the US. They just started to get flooded with funding and money to improve the quality of their players and their teams and so forth. So everyone's getting better. So we expect real, real competitive flag football over there. But I would guess offensively, probably most other players, defensively when you have to pull flags, deconstruct a defensive player from, it's no contact. You literally can't put your hands on the receivers, you got to be run inside by side with them. They're moving all over the place. They're dipping and spinning these crazy movement skills, you have to see it to understand it. To do that, I mean, I think that's going to take a little time. But again, we are talking about absolute freak athletes in the league, so I get that. So that's why the acclimation camps are so important. Invest some time together to understand this and we may be absolutely blown away. I'm like, okay, there's 10 guys, no question. Or again, there's some mix. For what it's worth, I actually worked for the US Olympic Committee way back in the day with the dream team, the original dream team in 92. So I was there. I mean, that was an incredible moment. I actually think it's kind of cool to think of NFL players with non-NFF players going for it and trying to win gold medal. I just personally think that's a neat concept. A couple of dumb guy rule questions. Number one, you said only man to man, so kind of like in the NBA, no zone. And then two, you just can't play it. It's not technically a rule. They'll pick you apart if you're not just playing man to man the whole game. And then two, what's the rushing the quarterback rule? Great question. Yeah, so 7 on 7 is a one yard rush. 5 on 5 is a 7 yards back rush. And in 7 on 7, you actually can try to impede the rush. You can't use your hands, but you can try to use your body in 5 on 5 you can't. So it's a free shot to the quarterback. And what often happens is in a 5 setup like the center is an eligible receiver. He might drop back and you can have a dual quarterback threat. So the moment you throw a ball, it has to be backwards pass. Now the sudden you can run. So there's elements like that that just make the game more dynamic. We even have three quarterbacks set sometimes. So they'll drop back and guys will all of a sudden peel off and go out and run. So the game is evolving right between our eyes and before our eyes right now and becoming very innovative on the offensive and the defensive side. And so how many international competitions will you guys have every year that you can actually scout the opponents that you might play against and all that and learn about what we might be going up against in terms of competition? Great question. So that traditionally, once a year, the International Federation of American Football, we call IFAF, has a World Championship. So this summer there's a World Championship. So it's every even year, 26, 28, 30. And then in odd years you have Continental Championships. This is the way the Olympic movement works. So every year there's a big competition like that. In addition to a World Games and now the Olympics. So we have to host more like soccer does, friendly, exhibitions like we did last night. And we'll create what we call the R-Creating, what we call the rivalry series. So now we'll do it once a quarter to invite teams in Mexico, Canada, Italy, believe it or not. Germany, Australia, Panama is coming on. Japan is like students of the game. They're just super locked in on this and super disciplined. It's really interesting how follows the culture. But yeah, we have to play as many of those games as we possibly can because the rest of the world is catching up. I would think for the promotion of the game, just me, you would want a couple of NFL guys and really somebody known to be an ambassador, right? Because we as fans will go, wow, I'll just use Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is playing on the Plyke football team. We got to see what this is. Have you had and you don't have to say who, but have you had early indication that there are a couple of NFL guys that are super interested in doing it? Yes. Believe it or not, there's a lot. I think it's the respectful filtering process of explaining like, okay, this is really what this means. And this is how you got to work together to sort all that out. So the short answer is absolutely, there's real genuine interest and very much some of the names you already mentioned. But ultimately, sort of who's sitting there at the end of this process is what we're trying to figure out. And talk to me about from a female standpoint too, because the females are going to be playing the Olympics as well in the fight football. And how is the competition for the female side comparatively speaking to the males? So in both sides. Because it's grown rapidly, hasn't it? Oh my gosh. Literally in my 30 years of being a sport, I've never seen anything scale faster. Again, you probably know these things, but already 16 states with girls flags of RC sport, the NCAA just pass it as an emerging sport for women. So literally the sort of structure of the vertical of UL for girls and women is already built out. And it's going to be a professional league next year. So they've built the entire thing in like four years. It's incredible. So there's something in the Olympic movement called talent transfer. And just think of any sport. You're just a flat out athlete. So we're talking, you know, track athletes, basketball, volleyball, soccer, lacrosse, you name it. They're coming to football, particularly on the girls and women side. It's sort of hasn't been open to them, right? And now they're coming. I mean, apparently we hear girls that are absolutely rock stars in soccer are giving up soccer to come to Flagfoot. And again, there's already scholarships. Now the division one, all the way down to division three are starting to offer. And now there's NIL money. I mean, it's just the floodgates are open. So there's some seriously good athletes on the women side and we'll only continue to get that. Part of you guys growing goals then to get high schools to have teams. And because again, if they start in high school, then they go to college, I'm a scholarship in NIL, then they put, I would assume this is some sort of evolutionary project, right? Like you would like even middle schools to eventually have women's flag football teams. 100%. I mean, so we, USA football is a governing body. You're providing all the resources and standards for it. This is how you train your coaches. This is the rules. This is the right standards. This is how you protect your athletes, background checks, all those kinds of things. And then yes, empower as many leaders in you sport like you normally have in any other sport, leagues, travel teams, tournaments, that sort of thing. And then yes, if it's going to go into this classic side and the girls and women already has, on the boy side, it's still traditionally tackle football. So it's likely going to be a slightly different model. I suspect, again, all this to your point is evolving. The girls to women already has a strong youth base moving into middle school and high school. And how college is coming on. And again, amazingly, next year there will be a professional lead for women and men. So that side is pretty well structured. On the boy side, it's sort of start truly strong in the youth. They tend to go to tackle, which we support as well, of course. And now we're working on that talent transfer. So how do you go identify track athletes and basketball athletes and other athletes in high school that want to come play flag football? So do you think that flag football will be a staple in the Olympics for the long stay? Certainly, that's our hope. If I was a betting person, the NFL is, again, all into this. I mean, this is their international growth strategy. So I know for a fact that Roger has taken multiple trips down to Australia and is working the NFL is working closely with our counterparts down there, the Australian government, who's going to host in 2032 in Brisbane. So I know there's a lot of interest and I know the IOC is super excited about working with the NFL. So that's how to all the pieces and the ingredients are there for continued success. And we're supposed to learn as early as probably late 26 if it's in the 2032 Olympics. So certainly the hope is yes. Scott, we appreciate the time. It's exciting. I make just to see how this develops leading up to the LA Olympics. I think that'll be super fun to follow. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Can Bobby and I try out? Yes. It's open. It's open. I don't have the ankles for it. Come on, the ankles getting back, dude. Okay, so we're going to go and talk to Rob Rigol so when we were at the Super Bowl last week, we spent a little time with Rob Rigol. Do you know Rob? No. I don't I didn't know I'm no I only met him one time And it was that slid corrected and it was awesome. He can't sit in yeah, it was a charity charity like Softboard baseball event it was a baseball but it was like a softer ball, but they were actually pitching And it was one of the coolest events I've been to I can see where he's funny like he's just funny Even if he's not trying to be funny. He's a funny guy, but it's also massive Yeah, and he was a marine so here he is comedian and actor Rob Riggle Rob's been in all kind of classic movies Stepbrothers, Taladega Knights, hangover 21 Jump Street the list goes on and on and so we talk about comedies and dramas and here he is Rob Riggle Rob good to see you man. Hey, nice to see you. I feel like everybody gravitates toward you I've been watching you walk around everybody's coming to Rob Riggle show. Well, I don't know about that But this place is busy. This is Hank a lot going on for sure, but that's ready. Oh, well, that's what it should be I want to ask you a question. I did running wild with Bear Girls twice. Yes. I know you did that show twice. Yes We're there's only three of us me you and Channing Tatum are the only ones to do it twice. That's great company Yeah, that show for me was insanely cool Did you ever feel scared because you have a different background than I do with like doing manly stuff? Yeah, the the the last time we had to jump out of a helicopter a perfectly good helicopter and I'm talking freefall Not the repellent we repelled at the top of the show we repelled out of the helicopter. That was interesting and I was okay with that It was the 14,000 foot on oxygen Going up up up and then jumping out that got my attention I feel like because of your background they made it harder on you Maybe a little bit, but but bear still he's pretty fair. Is it awesome though like as a dude like I felt So I would never take the chances that I took with anybody else, but with him and his group I was like, yeah, I'll jump out of life if you say so yeah, I believe you want me to get in a ring with a tiger Okay, absolutely I do that too. Yeah, look. I don't have the same experiences. Okay. I haven't jumped you only have an NFL Why don't you guys just talk I've never had a 250 pound angry linebacker trying to rip my head from my shoulders. It's a lot of fun That's a lot of fear too There were times where I'd go into a game and there was trepidation there was like I am gonna get hit So hard today maybe because it was the lack of confidence in the offensive line Maybe it was just that guy's really good. It's gonna hurt but yeah, there was definitely fear going in the games He didn't have the bear girls faith that we had to have it. Yeah, it was that absurd faith to a certain degree Jerry Seinfeld has a joke about that where he talks about how he sits in the back of a New York City cab Doesn't put on his seat belt and just looks out the window like it's a video game Like that was dangerous. Oh, that was close. That's kind of how I was with bear You know, it's like oh, you know all these amazing things are happening around me I'm like, but I'm okay. I'm with bear. What do people come up to you and know you from them most? Is there a character they know you they they yell at you? I get a lot of quotes from the hangover and Stepbrothers you're a lot of pals. I get a lot of pals. I get a lot of not up in here I get a lot of not you fat Jesus You know in the face I get a lot of that The other guys I get some stuff from that too and yeah, so do you ever want to do just a really serious? Like you ever I've done I've just now started to get offered dramas Is that where you were going? Yeah, that's exactly what it was. Yeah, so for whatever reason, you know Hollywood is in a weird state. I don't know how to describe it It's the paradigm is shifted. It's all upside down. So it things don't work like they used to and no one can explain it It's really inexplicable and so they're not making a lot of comedies. They're not making a lot of films But they are still making things so it's weird Television shows there's a lot of things going on there. It's all binge watching. It's not must see TV anymore And so it's it's a different vibe as a result There's not a whole lot of comedies being made but a lot of dramas So I've been actually last year I did four films three of them dramas one comedy Is that a comfort zone for you to just switch from that comedic act? I love comedy so I'm a fan of comedy if I was given a comedy script or a drama script I would do the comedy script, but I do love the Artistic freedom, I guess to pursue other there's more than there should be more than one petal on your flower Right, you know, and so I always appreciate the opportunity to do dramas because it's a it's a muscle I don't get to exercise very often and I love it I do so getting to do those dramas this past year was fantastic What do you do all weekend because you're doing a lot of stuff like what is it non-stop? Normally it is the last three years the chiefs have been in the Super Bowl. I'm a super die-hard chiefs fan I know about this so Yeah, it's pacing yourself There's a lot of activities a lot of fun things going on This year I'm up here supporting the Pat Tillman Foundation I'm actually going to be the starter for their the Pat's run Which is a race they've done for 22 years now In Tempe, Arizona on April 11th you can go to Pat's Run dot org to get more information about the Pat's Run dot org or p p t f dot org either one To learn about the foundation and what they do they're really a great foundation. They support Veterans and veterans families and do a lot of good work, but this run is you know It's grown every year and she's got bigger and better and I was very honored to be asked to be the starter for it and I just like I like the foundation. I really believe in what Pat Tillman did I mean if you talk about leadership you talk about Service before self if you talk about sacrifice. There's no greater story than Pat Tillman So I'm a veteran myself and therefore I see what he did what he what he gave up to to serve It really it moves me and so it's an honor really appreciate the time. Yeah busy man great That'll do it for this week. Thank you guys for Being with us through this football season Just so you know where the big announcement we are retiring Just for today. We'll be back. No next week. Yeah, we'll be back Offseason. Oh, it is offseason. Maybe we'll take some of season time. Yeah, we'll take some offseason time. No, we'll be back Very soon. I don't think we're gonna go next week are we no because you got a little something a little something like a little University coming up baby. What if I if I I come back and it's like me and who would be your Brady doesn't count who would like be somebody that if I came back with You're right trying to replace me. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, God, Daniel was so good castle Honestly, let's take two weeks off with both both weeks. There's episodes release We will not be here next week as far as you know, but after that we'll be back Thank you guys for being with us all football season that's Matt Castle. That's Brandon Ray. That's kickoff Kevin I'll bother you all because I'd like to say goodbye everybody Lots to say with Bobby Bells and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and I heart podcasts for more podcasts from I heart radio Visit the I heart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an I heart podcast guaranteed human