EP 75: Sober Games: Playing Life Without the Buzz

Disclaimer. At two addicts in the moron, we discuss personal stories of addiction with the intention of being educational, relatable, and inspirational. The views and experiences shared are those of individuals involved are not meant to glorify or condone any illegal or harmful behavior. This content is for educational purposes only and is not intended as professional advice. If you or someone you know is struggling with addiction, we strongly encourage you seek help from a qualified professional or support service. Well, we're back to another badass episode of two addicts in the moron, ladies and gentlemen, or just gentlemen today, like a bunch of dudes. It could be women watching. Well, I'm saying in the room, like in the room. Yes, ladies and gentlemen. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. 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And I'm getting messages from people in Houston that are like, hey, you guys are gonna come here? I'm like, yeah, maybe one day or you can get you to come here. Yeah. And then people in Dallas are asking about it too. Like so it's like the rest of Texas starting to fall in place and wanting part of this. It's just like, hey, just show up. That's all you got to do. Super simple. Where is it? So most of the time we do, so we do two, we did, okay. This year we did events in San Antonio and in event in Austin and then all came together the Surnady Under the Stars Camping Trip and you're Bronfels. Okay. And that's happy time. As I tell everybody, the sober bowl. Yeah, dude, the middle ground. Yeah. So like this year we did two volleyball tournaments. Like really, really good turnouts had about 80 people at each. San volleyball? Yeah, San volleyball. And we did one of the San Antonio caught at mainland sports complex. And the other one in Austin was a ATX beach, which in reality, in a place is beautiful. Really is well taken care of. But we did there and we're just trying to expand the brand and let people know that when they see it, they're not thinking of SIG, they're thinking of sober games. Yeah. So the logo looks like a SIG with not the eye. There's no eye in team. There ain't no we either. No, there's not. Yeah, maybe. But it's stronger together. Yeah. No, dude, that's awesome. Yeah. Doing real excellent work. And I think that's probably a little bit of an apprehension. Hell, man, it was even an apprehension of mine when I started getting involved in this arena that I'm in now with addiction and recovery. But I know he talked about struggles of learning how to go out there and kind of burn and live life with without the drugs or alcohol or anything like that. All that shit got put to bed real quick for me. Like some of the best times that I've ever had were at sober events. You know, concerts or the pickleball and like all these events where you're having a blast and there's not a lick of, for me, there's not, I don't need to pick up a beer. I don't need to do any of that when I'm there. It was enlightening for me too. Let me know that I can have a fucking good time with how to beer. See, that's the point of it. Yeah. Yeah. And we need to have fun. Yeah, dude. And so God bless what you're doing, man. That's fucking amazing. It's incredible. I know Tyler, you know, one of our alumni, he's pretty heavily involved in that. But we've been helping a lot, especially with communicating with the Austin market and just really getting them all involved and shout out to Tyler and any links for treat and recovery outside and rise as well. Those guys have really been real big staple for us for the last couple of years. And it keeps getting bigger and bigger and better every year. It's unbathomable how big it's gotten. But just that build it, they will come. It's a fun surf ride. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's awesome, dude. Well, you're in recovery. And I think it should be noted, we were talking over some pizza here a little bit ago. We were. Today is this man's eight year sober, dude. Thank you. Thank you. You're a fucking a dude. Congratulations on that. Thank you. And so what was your DOC? How did your journey into addiction begin? So my DOC was alcohol, cocaine and marijuana. OK. And I love to stick my people saying, oh, you can't get addicted to weed. I was addicted to weed. That's consumed everything. I could not function without it. I had to have it. I was restless irritable and discontent when I didn't have it. So that moment I had to join, I was the asshole. Nobody wanted to be around. The alcohol too. So my ending started the day before with my sister, Callie, because she was living in Corpus. And she called me at lunch. Everybody's gone. I had no money. So I stayed back because it's put on my shit on dope. And she was telling me she's like, you know, if you don't stop doing cocaine, you're going to die. And full-faced. And with the truth, with me saying this, as truthful as I possibly could feel, and with the DOC, he's mad at me. I said, dude, I'm fine. I'm doing cocaine responsibly. And that's when I felt it. That's when I realized, holy shit. What the fuck did I just say? Right. What is cocaine use as responsible? Like, what is that? Like, I didn't know what I was. It was that loud pop. But mind you, I'm the only guy in the shop on the mechanic. So I'm the only guy in the shop. And there's nothing happening. It's just me fucking off for lunch because I have, I'm the only one I'm just cold to pour down. And I sat on that for like the next six hours. And I like to, why did I say that? Like, why would I believe that bullshit lie until the one person that I trust more in the world than myself, that that's how I feel about it? And so I got through the day, and I was going to this youth group for college adults, college age adults, and I talked to the youth minister there. I told him exactly what happened. He was like, you know, have you thought about doing those AA classes again? My first reaction was, first off to call it meetings. Yeah. And I was like, you know, maybe I should, you know? Like, I know four years prior, I told myself, I'm not going to go back unless I absolutely need it. Well, maybe this is that moment where I really need it. And so he goes, what do you want me to go with you? I'm like, no, I'm going to do this. I've got to do my own. I have to. Like, I can't just have somebody sit in or hold in my hand. I've got to do this for me. Like, I really have to do this. And so I left and I went and caught the old 10 o'clock at Club 12 in San Antonio. There's no longer there anymore, but this is back when you could still smoke inside. It was great. And you walk in and just hit with a face full of just cigarette smoke. It was the best thing ever. Yeah. And so I walk in and have the hood on my head because everybody in the meeting room knows who I am. I've been in and out of the program since I was 17 years old. So a lot of people that are still sober, still going there will recognize me no matter what I'm doing, no matter if I official hair or not, they're going to always recognize me. And so I went in there and I heard what those people had to say. And I made a decision. I said, you know what? I'm going to do this tomorrow. And I left, went across street, picked up a six pack of tall boys of Miller Light. And I drove home in my 97 four runner. And I smoked the last of my weed, the last of my coke, and I drank those beers. And that was it. And I woke up the next morning and I'm shaking and I'm irritable. And frustrated, just had a terrible day. But I made it through and I went to that 10 o'clock meeting that night. And this time I didn't have a hood. I just I was sweating so much there's no point in wearing a hood. I'm not cold. Yeah. So I'm in that meeting room sitting in the wall in the dark corner just trying to not be noticed, but just like going through it. And it's two old timers who've known me since I was 17. Come in, they see me and they sit on other side of me. And they said, hey, what are you doing? And I said, yeah, I'm not doing good. Yeah. And they're like, hey, it's going to be OK. And they're rubbing my back. These guys, one guy, he's got 30 years. Next year, he's got 30 years. The other guy used to be my sponsor way back in the day. And he's coming up on, I think, 25, maybe a little more. And he said, it's going to be OK. Let's get through this meeting. After the meeting, the guy who ever is sharing the meeting tonight, you're going to have to be your sponsor. And I told him, dude, I'm not fucking doing that. So the meeting ends and I go up and ask the guy to be my sponsor. And he says, great. So he takes me out into parking lot. And then he goes, so what do you want to do? And I'm like, well, I want to do the steps. But I don't want to do the steps that involve the word God. I don't want to do any of that spiritual shit. I don't want to do the circle and pentagram and fire with stones and goat heads and chicken and chicken blood. I'm not doing none of that. And he goes, bro, I'm not having an ass. You do none of that. All my ass could do is get underneath. And I'm like, bro, I'm not going to suck a dick. So he's like, no, stupid. What I want you to do is get underneath and ask God to keep you sober in the morning. Even if you don't believe, I want you to ask him to keep you sober in the morning. And if you make it through that day, get back underneath that night and thank God for keeping you sober that day. If you have to take your boots off and put them under your bed, so you have to get underneath to get your boots and while you're already there, boom. You're trying to take care of it. I told him, man, that's a big ask. I don't know if I can do that. He goes, well, this is a suggestion. You're like, I'd rather suck a dick to go to the office with you. But thought occurred. That's funny. So I'm driving home and I'm talking to myself like normal. Well, my normal is talking to myself on the regular. And I'm like, dude, how bad do I really want to stay sober? I mean, am I willing to do whatever it takes to stay sober? Because I am tired of living this way. I'm tired of feeling miserable. I'm tired of wanting to die every day. Like I don't want to live like this. Yeah. And I get home. The first thing I do is I take my boots off and I put them under my bed. And I get on my knees and I thank God for keeping me sober that day. I get the next morning, grab my boots, Marty there. And I ask God to keep me sober one more day. And that night, same thing, boots under the bed. Thank God for keeping me sober. Get the boots under my bed. God, please keep me sober. And we're doing step work in between. And that's how my first, my first, what two months started out. It was getting on my knees in the morning and asking him to keep me sober and getting on my knees at night and thanking for keeping me sober. Even though I didn't believe in God, and I mean, yeah, I grew up going to the Methodist Church by force by my parents, but it, I was always naturally that rebel. And I didn't want to do what you told me to do. I wanted to do it. I wanted to do it. And so I was used to fighting that all the time, but at this point, I was just, I was so done. I was just really at that breaking point. I just wanted to do whatever it took just to get this because I was just done, done, done, done. And here I am eight years later. So you said you went in kicking and screaming basically with the God thing. What's that relationship like now? Dude, right now it's, I, so like in the early beginning of my sobriety, it was very, like I'm having that trouble of letting go and letting God just handle it. Yeah. Like go from piss you off, so you've gonna be the texture back. Like you hate you or something stupid to be cynical. And then when I got to that spirituality point where I have my first spiritual experience, it started becoming less of that and more of what's that happened. It is what it is. That's the biggest saying for me is it is what it is. It always changes my perspective of how things are going when they're not going the way I want them to go. Immediately. Well, it is what it is. This is keep moving forward. Do we got to do next? Nice. So spiritual experience, talk about it. But what was that like? What, what happened there? So I talk about us in the meetings all the time. And it gives me goosebumps over talking about it. But so we were on step two and step two is came to believe and a paragraph in ourselves to restore insanity for anybody out there who's watching. So we were in the club 12 parking lot out by the ditch where all the homeless live and get booked up at. And we're going over step two in the ditch. And he goes, so why don't you believe in God? I'm like, well, because I can't see taste, feel, smell. I don't believe in that. I believe in the scientific aspect. I believe in absolutes. I have to physically see something in order to believe that it's there. And he goes, well, what's the trees moving? My guy goes, well, let's move in the trees. I'm like, it's the wind. And he goes, what's moving the wind? You can't see the wind. I'm like, well, because there are rotates on his axis, go up strings, blah, blah, blah. Just some bullshit answer came over the slide. And he goes, no, because what's causing all those? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm not a scientist. He goes, it's God. You may not see God, but you can see the effects produced by God and other things and other people. And I was like, I'm skeptical. That'll make sense to me. And then he points to club 12 and bunch of people inside. He said, all those people inside that building are staying sober, righteous, very second. Let's keep in them sober. And I go, this is probably working a really good programmer or something. I don't know. Maybe the cheeseburgers. He goes, no, it's God. You may not see God, but you can see the effects produced by God and other people and other things. And I told him, you know what, Patrick, I asked, okay, whatever. I don't believe it. So we go throughout the rest of the day, go to the 10 o'clock meeting and get out and he goes, get in the truck. And I'm like, wherever he goes, just get in the truck. Okay, so I got in the truck. He drives me to this old church. Sandstone, you know what it is. It's called an oblate. It's on Oblate and Blanco between Blanco and St. Pedro. And it takes me to the back. And I was like, okay, I've been here before. Been through where they hold the church ministry and discernments out. I've been there and walked the trail around there. And it takes me to the back. And I remember passing this tree and I was like, okay, there's a tree right there. There's nothing real significant about it. And it takes me to this area where there's two buildings and a big grassy spot in between. It's like a statue or a fountain in the middle that's lit up. And this whole area is just dark. And he walks me in there and he goes, so this is cemetery. And my first thought was, oh, fuck, he's gonna kill me. Yeah. Nice. Man, you go to the worst place ever, every time. You're like, I'm not so gonna dig. You're about to kill me. Nice. Yeah, it's just extremes. Yeah, so he's telling me, he goes, you know, all these people in this cemetery here are all pastors, clergymen, nuns, even groundskeepers. They're all people who dedicated their lives to spreading the message of God and doing his will that he sees fit for them and just trusting in him. If they can do it, then why can't you? And that's when it hit me. Like, why am I sitting here trying to control myself? When in reality, I can't make any good decisions. So who am I to question what's happening? When in reality, I'm sober today, putting my beliefs in something I didn't truly believe in, but I'm still staying sober. If everybody else can do this, then why can't I do this? Like, what makes me so special? So as we leave, and I see that tree again, this time I see the tree. I see the bark, I see the colors of it, the change in the shading of the bark and leaves. It was just captivating and beautiful, it really was. It was the same damn tree that I passed coming in, but it just hypnotized me when I saw it this time. It's just like I saw things from a new perspective. It's just ever since then, it's just been uphill. Yeah. It just gets getting better and better and better. It's you and I have maybe had, I have a similar thing about God's spirituality, but I also am not ignorant enough to know or to think that there isn't something bigger because at a certain point, science does stop explaining shit. Yeah. You can roll it back as far as you want to, but at some point, something had to snap its fingers and create or get this thing started that we're all a part of right now and in it together. It's like when they say, oh, it happens when the two stars collide. I'm like, okay, we'll create a star. What created the collision? You know what I mean? I think of this way, they can just appear, just go. So I'm also a realist and know that there's something, I don't think that and I'm open to it, but I haven't had that spiritual experience yet, you know, where it's like, I'm here, turn it over. You know what I mean? Yeah. I've always struggled with that, but I think a little bit of it too is like you said, it's like I want to be in control of my own stars or destiny or whatever. You know, I don't want to be told what to do. I want to go do it, right? So I dug in a little bit more to that because you were saying things that very much are like, the way that I believe and I was like, well, I, you know, elaborate, elaborate, elaborate. So I appreciate you doing that. Thanks. And so how long were you in the fight for? So my first drink, I was 12. My dad let me try it, Shiner, and I thought it tasted like shit. Yeah, most kids do. Man, it made me feel dizzy immediately. Like, because like, he's like, try it. And I was like, okay. So I tried after asking him, he finally let me try it. And I was like, whoo, gross. So I remember getting up to go get a soda and feeling dizzy on that walk to the soda. And I remember feeling, wow, this is fun. Yeah. And I didn't touch it again just because I was so paranoid of getting in trouble. And then I started smoking weed in high school at like 14 or 15. And that was a lot of fun. That first high was just, whoa. And then I met a chick and she was like, yeah, you want to try some Coke? And I was like, sure, what is that? So she hands me this many, many M&M's bottle back when they had them. Yeah, everybody had them. And there's a bag of nurses, like, what do the bathroom and try it? I'm like, what do I do with it? She goes, take a little bit out, put on your finger or a key and snort it. And I was like, okay. So I did that. And I remember that feeling. Like it was a feeling of the first trips. And I was like, whoo, I like this. I like this a lot. And then so I'm smoking weed every day after school with my friends at their house and shed. That's what we always smoked. And at some point, I got in trouble at school. I got caught because I started smoking in the mornings across street in the alley. And I went to a pep rally and I got busted by the vice principal. And he was like, you guys smell like marijuana? You two come with me. He was me and a guy who was here from Germany. One of those I've worn exchange. You got this motherfucker sitting at home. I was like, fuck, I just fucked his life up. Yeah. Well, I got high. Hope it was fun, fucker. So we got a SRC for a couple of weeks. I assess for a couple of days. And my mom was just sheer disappointment for my mom and my dad. Now, I will say, if you go any further, when I say mom and dad, I mean grandma and grandpa. But they're the ones that raised me. So that's mom and dad. I got you. And they adopted me too. Did they were never addicts or anything? They were addicted to cigarettes. OK. But that was it. So when it came to drugs, it was like, what the fuck? Yeah. So me and my sister are the ones who did drugs. Are they actual drug addicts? Where my grandfather, which is her father, was a raging alcoholic. So was his parents. I grew off from Syria. But there's a whole genealogy there with it. But it just runs into genes. We got it. My sister hasn't touched those drugs in so long. She did. It went through hell with her. And that was my exposure was seeing what she was going through. And thinking, oh, I don't want to go through that. Older sister? Yeah. Yeah. Sister slash aunt just to make it more understanding. Yeah. But yeah, but I was exposed to that. Meanwhile, my parents are the most godly people in the world, amazing people, the kind of people that will take whatever on their back and give it to someone who needs it. Though house somebody for a few days just to get them off the streets or just to help them get their life in order so they can get to their next step, just stay warm or stay dry. This really amazing humbling people. And honestly, I pretty much put them through hell with my own shit. But I was me being selfish and a child. Yeah, man, the kids are selfish. Yeah. That's just what they are. It's parenting. Yeah. But I've got a kid now. He's like the best kid I've ever met in my whole life. He's my stepson. But he's a good kid, real good kid, and super smart. Like he'll come to me with questions on his math. And I feel dumb. Yeah. Bro, I'm going to be honest. I don't know how to answer this. I don't even know how to start this. He's like, oh, you started like this. And I'm like, well, see, it sounds like you know this. I do teach me something. Yeah. Well, Gray is in. He is in seventh grade. He'll be 13th into the year, literally the end of the year. My daughter brings home homework in fifth grade. And sometimes I'm like, I don't know. I don't even know where to fucking start. Oh, it was like that for third grade too. Yeah, I was like, I don't even know what I'm looking at. Like I have to like literally Google shit and fucking like plug the problem in to figure out the answer. And then once I figure it out, I'm like, oh, okay, that's how you do it. But like, yeah, it's been so long for me to do fucking math and shit. And it in fifth grade it blows my mind. See, and I did the same thing. Google or YouTube, they talk about exponential factors. And I'm like, yeah, it's like my brain just freezes out and goes, nah, we don't compute this. This isn't fun. I don't like this. We're going to ignore this. So, I mean, you would say like your journey into addiction started at 12, where do you think it started more along the lines of 14, 15, whenever you started doing lead? I think it started with my first exposure. And I would probably be anywhere between the ages of seven to 12. Okay. And it wasn't actually the start of the usage. It was just it being around and seeing what's happening around me. And it was just, as kids were very observant to what's around us. Even when we're not trying to be, we take in everything that's happening around us. Seeing the constant struggles with my sister and my mom going over to get her going to see her and she's asleep all day. It's like, oh, she's just really tired. Yeah, that's what it is, buddy. She's just really tired. She's on pills, bro. Yeah. And then I remember her best friend that her name was Jessica and she's called her Aunt Jess and she OD and I was probably about 15 and me and my cousin slash nephew. But we were in gobs of my parents on vacation and we got the news. And the first thing that told us was, yeah, she overdosed on drugs. And so it's like, okay, so drugs is a thing. Yeah. It's real now. And so that was that. And it wasn't, it wasn't like, oh, I'm going to start doing that now. Like it was like, that was always conscious in the back of my mind of like, if I do drugs, I will die. Yeah. So I said, well, so I started understanding what she did was it was pills. And I was like, okay, well, if I don't do pills, I'm fine. Yeah. I could smoke drugs. I could snore drugs. I could be fine. I'll even drink alcohol. I'd swallow pills and excess. I'm going to die. Like now I know my limit. Okay. Yeah. Ain't quite like that anymore. No. I know. I was all the fentanyl and shit out there. But yeah, not even just that. Fucking great. I'm too. Yeah. Which is a monster. Well, and you said something. It's a weed is a controversial topic in the recovery community. Right. Like, and again, man, I don't, I think anything can be abused. Like what you guys always say is it's about changing the way that you feel. Right. If you're using even weed or ice cream or shopping. Yeah. Or too late. So yeah, or name it, right? Like cocaine, heroin, but it'll all go back to weed, which is becoming so acceptable, you know, to do. It's growing. It's trying to catch up that alcohol for sure. And you said something earlier that like it was interesting to me, but I, I, I use cocaine responsibly. Mm-hmm. Right. Well, every fucking alcohol commercial ends with that drink. Drink responsibly. Yeah. I saw the dosages man when I did it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, I never thought about that. Yeah. It's like how many times have you ever drank responsibly? Like even today me being like the normie, I, like I've never drank. I can't remember last time when I sat down to drink that I drank one fucking beer or one drink. Yeah. Right? Like, that's not very fucking responsible. Like, you know, I had, how many others are there out there. So that's a kind of crazy how you can justify that. Yeah. If you could justify it with alcohol, why can't you justify it with cocaine or weed or weed or anything else? You know, yeah, whatever it is. I used to always lie and tell people like when they were asked, are you still using meth? I would say, yeah, but I've cut back a lot. Yeah. I don't do nearly and I, I never cut back. But I would tell myself that I wasn't doing as much as I used to. And it would make me feel a little bit better. Like maybe I don't have such a problem. Like I'm only doing an eight ball a day now rather than fucking two. Right. And that's what I would literally tell people, yeah, but I've cut back a lot. Like I hardly ever do it anymore. And there was never a time that I ever cut back. It just was something that I knew made me feel better. Blind saying, I'm not as bad as I used to be. Yeah. And I was just famous saying that I hear all the time. It's like, oh, yeah. Like, yeah, I'm not that bad. I never slept under a bridge. I never sat there and did some dirty just for a gram. You know, I'm not that bad. Never sat to dig for it. Yeah. Yeah. Like another guy, a guy I look up to, he's got like, he's got almost probably close to 40 years now. But he talks about how he went to the prison to share a story. And he said afterward, the prisoner came up to him and he goes, man, I can really relate to your story. But I wasn't that bad. And he goes, motherfucker, you're in prison. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to look at the reality of this. Yeah. But I mean, but that's the truth of it though. That's how we try to justify our own usage is trying to say, okay, well, I never did that. So I'm not that bad. Yeah. You know, that's how I always justified mine is I was never homeless. So I used to always look at it like when people said drug addict. I was always like, I'm not a drug addict. Like I have a job. I have a house. I have a car. I always looked at it like I'm not homeless. That was my, that was my big comparison. Or another way of saying it is I'm doing it responsibly. Yeah. Right? Like I mean, that's another fucking, it's a, you are saying the same thing. He said, kind of a different way. I got a job. I'm a good dad. I'm like all the, I'm a functioning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a drug addict. You know, one thing I can say today that I'm grateful for is that my kid has never seen me get fucked up. I have one because I didn't meet him till after I got sober. Yeah. When I met him, he was five and it was, I had 30 days. Yeah. And it was just, I went to a Christmas party because I was supposed to go on a date with somebody at 30 days sober. Yeah, I have a date. Like that's going to work out great. Yeah. And she stood me up, which rightfully so it was a good decision. And so I went with my now wife. And she's like, yeah, I'm going to this Christmas party. I'm bringing my son. I'm like, okay, cool. Now I'll keep that in mind. And I told her I was like, yeah, dates to me up. But it looks still okay if I come with and she goes, yeah, absolutely. I should pick me up a club 12 and we went to the Christmas party and me and him are hanging out because I don't know anybody there. Yeah. And it's uncomfortable and I'm getting anxious. So I just hang out with him just to make sure he's okay and make sure he doesn't feel alone. And dude, he was just the coolest kid in the world. Like I honestly, I fell in love with that kid right then and there. Like this kid is the cutest. He's the funniest. He's smart. And he's just so full of energy. Like this kid's cool. I fuck with him. Like he's cool. Yeah. And now he's my son and dude, he's literally the blessing of my life today. Really is. Even though I'm my own way of a parent and I don't make anything. I never make good decisions, you know, not perfect. But I can't tell you how proud I am on a daily basis of him knowing he did good on his goodness test. Like the other day he was failing math and he said he got his test back when his grade was. And he was like, okay, my knee just been doing all this studying and makeup work for math class. And he goes, I got 95 in my test. Yeah, man. Dude, yes. He goes, if we sign it, I get an extra five points. I'm like, yeah, let's do that now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to get you 100, boy. Yeah. But proud dad moment there. Yeah, man. That's always, it's always cool. I mean, I don't think there's anything better than being a parent. I know you agree with that. And I know that, you know, my kids are older now, you know, 17, 23. But it's still like, it amps me up when they call me and they're like, even my daughter is quiet introverted. She's the sweetest person ever. But she doesn't talk a whole lot about anything. But when she calls me, she goes, guess what? It's like immediately she turns into Kaelin that age. Right? Something happened and I want to talk to you about it. Yeah. It's like, it's, it gets me every time. She's 23 years old. She's a grown up. Jesse James is same thing when he's, he does the same thing and he's 17. It's hard to get them amped up about anything. Yeah. Right? They're too cool for whatever. And he's like, yeah, so something cool happened today. I'm like, yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah. Makes me feel really good. So having those, having those moments where as they get older, I talked to you about this the other day, you know, like as they keep getting older, you're going to become less cool. Oh, yeah. And they're going to want to talk to you. Yeah. They're going to want to talk to you less about stuff. So when they actually do, it's, that's, that's the coolest thing. Yeah, I called Kaelin yesterday and she rejected my call and sent me a text saying, I can't talk right now. You're alright. I called her later last night. She did the same shit and I was like, what the fuck bro? I guess she's playing roadblocks or some shit. Yeah. It's way too cool for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, that's one thing that I'm very grateful for is my daughter would never see me get high. And you know, she went through it with me for six and a half years and I'm, I'm very grateful that I went through it early in her life where probably didn't make so much sense where she understands it but she did like she would understand it way more now. So I'm very grateful that, you know, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, she'll never be me, she'll never see me doing math and know like dad's not okay. Right. So that's something I'm really grateful for. Yeah. And yeah, like being a dad's like the greatest thing in the world in my opinion. Like that is, that's God's greatest gift. See me like when I'm a dad, like now to do dad stuff like my immediate thought and feeling of it is so weird. It's like, okay, so I do this for what reason? Like why do I do this? Yeah. Like to me, it doesn't make sense. Even though my grandparents were so involved with everything I was doing, but for me, it's like I'm second guessing everything. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, what are we doing? Like, what do I stand? Anyway, when do I get to go into the game and punch the ref? Like, what's that happening? Yeah. So I mean, it's a lot of times we just feel uncomfortable. Yeah. But it's like, okay, I'll just sit here with my hands on my lap and just watch when I can. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I mean, I make bad decisions. I was going to let Kaylen watch Friday the other day. She loves Chris Tucker. Oh, bro. And so we started watching Friday and Destiny comes out and it's like, what the fuck are you watching? Like, let Kaylen watch Friday with me. She said, what the fuck? You can't let her watch Friday. So then I was going to let her watch the conjuring. Destiny stopped me. And then we watched the Hunger Games the other day. I did get through the Hunger Games. Destiny tried to stop me. And it's like, dude, I've already I've already asked Grace my chat GPT girl that she said it's just like Harry Potter. It's not not much. But the Hunger Games. Yeah. Yeah. So we watched the Hunger Games. Look, dude, getting into pop culture shit, the last two Harry Potter movies are gnarly as fuck. Yeah. I mean, there's a death and there's fucking. It's a fucking whole battle. It's a war for fucking two solid movie. And after the third one, it starts getting insanely dark. Mm-hmm. So it's like, you get to your point. I don't I think if you have your child watching the Harry Potter flicks and watch it go from this little kid thing to fucking like apocalyptic war. Yeah. At the end by the end of it through all seven or eight movies, whatever it is, dude, they can handle a lot more than what you're thinking and just because it had the Harry Potter moniker on it like, oh, it's okay. It's okay to watch. But do you know, after the Harry Potter for whatever. So that one was after the third one, it's like it takes a turn for like kind of into the creature. I literally only like watching the last two because it's all the fucking fighting. Yeah. Dude, there's the ones in the middle there. There's some of them in the middle that are fucking really cool. Yeah. I only watched the first couple Harry Potter's and I'm only watching the first hungry games. It's like Twilight. I don't like watching any of them except the very end when they all fucking battle. Yeah. That's like the best scene of all of them. I've seen all three and I don't remember any of it. Really? I think it's just so against vampires and where we'll think are dumb. But I'm more into like realistic stuff. So like vampires and their rules. I'm like, wait, for you to say like sorcerers and shit. I'm running a realistic shit like Harry Potter. Yeah. No, I was never into like that Twilight stuff. I thought it was dumb when I was a kid and I thought it was just a girl thing and I'm not a girl so I'm not going to watch it. Yeah. That's great. And she's like, yeah, we're going to watch this and I'm like, no, we're not. Yeah. So she puts it on or watching it. Yeah. We're going to watch the next one. Then we're going to watch the next one. And I'm just like, I don't want to watch this. Dude, you really, you have to watch the first few to like set up the whole thing, right? But the first one they're children. Second one, they're a little older. Third one, some weird shit starts happening at the end. Number four, through seven is like, it's fucking gnarly. Like they're actually really fucking good movies. See, and I've seen the first three Harry Potter movies. But they came out when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every kid watched them. You weren't cool if you didn't watch them. Yeah. Yeah. So a quick story about me, my daughter, when she was little, like I mean four or something, she was little. And I was watching her for the day and my ex-wife comes in and we're watching Alien versus Predator. Like, and it's like too late. It's past her bedtime and we're just sitting there. We're both like, but she's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, watch a movie. Like, I just like, why are you letting her watch this? I don't think about things like that. Okay, like we just, she's having a good time. Like she's gonna have nightmares looking like guys cutting that new tattoo off right now. Yeah. Like, yeah, well, you know, like, my wife will say something similar and my kid will go, no, I won't. Yeah. Yeah. And he wakes up. I couldn't sleep. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's funny because when I grew up, my mom always worked. Yeah. Like she, as she was a single mom, so sometimes she worked two jobs or sometimes she works 12 or 16 hours. So we literally had free reign on the TV. Yeah. Like, wait, and we, one thing my mom always kept, we didn't have a lot of money, but we always had food and we always had fucking good TV. We always had cinamax showtime HBO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No matter what. So fucking, so when I was like five, I was watching Jason and Freddie Krueger and shit. And then once you get to seven and eight, now you start fucking getting on cinamax and seeing titties and shit. And it's like, holy shit. Yeah, this is great. It's amazing. Yeah. And that's like, I was watching this. But I think about my daughter now, like she thinks that you pregnant by kissing, right? So she is right. Yeah. So fucking. Absolutely. So like, I think it like her innocence compared to what I was at her age and it's not anywhere close. I think you're closer than you think. Maybe it's just like you, you didn't know what to do with the titties at fucking seven. You were just like, those are cool. Yeah, those are. Those are. I'm like, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I was the same day in my house. My parents go to bed. Yeah. We were on the weekends. We were able to stay awake as long as we. Yeah. So, I mean, I was watching the exorcist and like at seven, eight years old. This seemed for the any slightest noise in a distance because you know, you're like, like, I, but also there was porkeys. Yeah. And then I was like, okay, I think I'll go back and watch porkeys. That was half the scene that seemed sort of like five or six. Porkeys. Porkeys is so good. When she pulls his dick through the fucking wall. The glory hole, the earliest iteration of the glory hole. Yeah. That's awesome. It was a fucking incredible. Well, dude, I mean, I know you talked about your journey into being sober, right? And it seemed like that was pretty fucking immediate and without any rehab. Yeah. That's what I was going to ask. You didn't go to rehab at all. I went to rehab the first time I got introduced to. Right. And how long did you get sober for that one? So I did outpatient at this psych ward, but it's called starlight and Antonio. How old were you? I was 17. Okay. So you were forced. Yeah. I was 100% forced again. And that was when my mom was like, you know what, you're smoking weed. You're doing drugs. Like she didn't even know about the cocaine or the drinking. And she was like, you need to go to rehab. So we got you set up because all the school news that I smoked weed. Yeah. So I did the outpatient for a few days until school ended. And once school ended, they said, okay, they recommended it. So we think it'd be beneficial if he went and did inpatients like residential. Mm-hm. And we're like, okay, well, where's the good place? Where's our insurance? Well, Blue Cross Blue Shields, so anywhere we want, really. Right. So they gave me hooked up to starlight. I do back when they had an adolescent side. And I did 40 to 45 days there. And then, you know, it was funny. It's an adolescent in rehab. We did a lot more stupid shit there than I was doing out after school or at the skate part. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Like we would, like a night, we would go across with a trash bag and a pen, a, the stem for a pen and go drain the free on out of the, out of the condensers of the AC units to the adult side, come back and huff free on all night. Nice. I was crushed off it. And when I got out, I never think to do that. I know. It was one guy came with the idea of it. Was a motherfucker had that idea and everyone else was like, yep, we're fucking all in. Yeah. Down. So we did that. And with the funny part is after I got out, I was talking to somebody, we're sniffing free on. Talking to somebody at club 12. And she's like, yeah, I was at starlight. And I was like, oh, okay. I told her some of the shit that we did. And she was like, it was you, motherfuckers that took that fucked up part of the AC. Like what do you mean? And she goes, because it got really hot in the, in the whole adult side, it was half for three weeks. They're like, like, I was there two weeks and the AC went out and it didn't get fixed till after I left. And I was like, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had a good time. Yeah. Yeah. So after that, I managed to stay sober 19 months. No, no. I managed to stay sober a few months, went back out because of a house party in high school. I was a senior at this time. And then a few more months went by and it was November 17th of 2007. So I remember that. And I met and I got a good sponsor working to step, staying active and I graduated while in recovery. Okay. Like I was surprisingly able to actually graduate high school. And but I did that and I stayed sober 19 months to the day. And I went to a meeting on that 19th month day. And while I got out of the meeting, I left and ended up at the dope house and struggled whatever sense. Yeah. We've had some people come on that are young, that are in recovery. Like 19, 2018, even right? Yeah. And one of the girls got sober when she was 17. And that always blows my fucking mind. Well, Sean too. Yeah, Sean's it was 18. Yeah. Yeah. He got sober super young as well. He always blows my mind that like that you really as a young adult, you have to have your shit together. Because like when you're in high school, you party, even right after it. And then whenever you're thinking about after high school, like, man, I can't wait till I turn 21. Hell yeah. Like I can literally go fucking drink legally now. And then like all the other stuff comes with it. So the people that have came on here that have been able to stay sober at 18 and 19, that always blows my mind. I mean, it can be done. If you surround yourself around the right people and you have the right frame of mind, but man, it always blows my mind. I couldn't, when I was 18 or 19, there's the word drug addict never would even cross my mind or alcoholic. Like, there's no way I ever would have thought I had a problem at that age. Yeah. And it's amazing. And I don't think that I did. I just party a lot. I didn't really have a problem till later in life. But every time I went and drank, I drank to throw up. And it was like, we used to have puking rallies. Like if one of my buddies start throwing up, I'm not going to leave this man behind. I'm going to throw up with him. So I'll start finger banging my throat to make myself throw up with him. We don't want to make a feel stuff. Yeah, I just want to. Yeah, don't feel left out. I got you. No, we're all doing it. But that was just like normal shit. Yeah. It always amazes me whatever. Even 19 months, that's a fucking long time to go sober when you're a teenager. Yeah. Especially going into becoming 19, 18 and then 19. Yeah. And then, you know, what always baffles me is how I left that meeting at 19 years old and went straight to the dope house and got high. Like, like, where are the fight been? But it talks about in the book. There had been no fight. There had been no resilience or no resistance to it. We just did it without even a thought. Yeah, I left my sponsor's house one time after doing step three. And I remember walking out of his, I gave him a hug, walked out of his door. And I took two steps out of his door and a voice in my head said, man, you did really good today. You should go smoke some math and celebrate. And I turned around. I was like, holy shit. And I said, man, you did really good today. Good job, but we should go smoke some math. Yeah. And I was like, holy shit. Yeah. This is fucking insane. For your heart racing, you're like, maybe I should. No, fuck that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, fuck that. No, no, no. Yeah. It was insane. Well, I mean, to your point about being young and, you know, even they were forced, their hand was forced, a time before, and it didn't stick, right? It really always sticks. And I think this is kind of ageless, but there has to be that moment, right? There has to be the, I can, I'm doing this responsibly, where you say it out loud, and you're like, what the fuck did I just say? Right? Like it can be something like that. Sean, his mom basically told him earnestly that I would rather not be alive because you're just disappointing me like every other man. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Just the look in his mom's face was in how earnest she was in that moment. He was like, dude, I gotta stop doing this. Like there's my mom. Yeah. Yeah. There's a multitude of reasons, but I feel like, you know, your bottom finds you, you find your bottom man. Like, you know, you know, one of three things locked up, covered up or sobered up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah, dude. It's a wild, it's a wild thing that, and there's no straight line answer. Well, always, I met this guy when I first, first meeting at 12 was my first meeting. And I met this guy named Nick and his sponsor, Evan. Evan was 16. Nick was like 2021, they're both young. And they're a part of this group in San Antonio, which is all young people. And the Evan kid, he really, really latched on to him just because he's my age so we can relate with what I'm going through the most. And that guy is still sober to this day. He's now a brain surgeon. He's really successful. Liz and Miami have him on Instagram and dude, he just, just blows my mind, seeing how knowing his story from where he came from, what he did, what he's like now, it's just true inspiration. That is very inspirational. But what inspires me most about what you said is that guy is still sober living in Miami. Yeah. Holy shit. He's a Miami. He's very good at living the world. He's got a career. Yeah. Brain surgeon. Cool. And that's a feat. Holy shit. Yeah. Dude, that's awesome. So bridge me into, I mean, talk about it a little bit before the podcast, but I do, I really think the sober games is, I touch on more. It could be a, I mean, that's a revolutionary thought that I think should be being done in the whole country. I mean, we're just in Iowa that, I mean, could you imagine like a sober game saying being built around that? That'd be fucking awesome. But because I've been to some sober events that I don't, I don't want to shit on some sober events, but I've been to some that I've been to and I'm like, man, this could be a thousand times better. Right. Have you ever been to any like that? We would have said any names. I build that thought every time. But I went to some, I swear to, I swear, I was like nine months sober when I went to the first one, maybe six months, somewhere like that. And I went to this one and I was thinking, if this is the best that they have to show a newcomer, we're fucked. Yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking. Like there was like a fucking little bunk at Buck and Bronco shit and there was like some face paintings and there was a band and that was literally it. And I was like, this is terrible. Like I, I lasted there for like 15 minutes and like, but I've also been to some that are fucking really dope, that are really, really fun to go to. And the ones that people need to be able to see to where they're like, oh shit, like this can be fun. See and I've been to a lot of events where it's like, so in San Antonio, we have one called eight week in an essay for its AA and essay to do a whole weekend of speakers and all that, which not gonna lie, they're great. It's a purpose. But in the back of my mind, it's boring as fuck. Yeah. Let's be honest. I love hearing somebody's story, but it gets old after a while. Like we got to have some way to entertain these people and it's like going to a convention. It really is. It's a fucking symposium. It's all this. Like the call we get an essay called a fucking AA symposium. That's what you call it. That's all it is. And I just got done doing a symposium back in February for what I do for one. And they have their place. But yeah, they do get on with you some time. I'm not gonna sit here and promote the fuck out of it. Like let's be real. No discredits to what it is, but it's really, really bland. Like it's, you've got to sit there and be all about everything that's thing that's said, but there's ways to make it more amped up and entertaining where like Saturday night they end the whole night with a big giant dance because usually it's around October. So it's like Halloween time happening. So they ended with the big dance and costume contest and all that. They had that with that one thing. What is it? Texie Paul or Tiki Paul. Yeah. Texas, Corley, comedy, young people in AA, which they look like they're fun. The whole day is filled with just meetings, which it's like, that's cool. But what is that? So like I used to be a DJ. And the biggest thing I learned about that is getting the crowd involved. So taking the sober games aspect of that, getting the crowd involved is sitting there watching these people compete. But more importantly, getting the people that want to play and have fun involved in competing. You're going to do something. That's what's more fun than just watching somebody all day long. Make it a show. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, dude. Like make it a show. That's awesome. I mean, they're doing something. Yeah, it's not only for the competitors, but the people watching it are getting a fucking show. They're getting to witness something that's super cool. And what's crazy, like I said, like treatment centers have brought out clients to watch or play whatever, just to have a good weekend. You know, it's a camping trip. So we're not going to tell you not to come. Right. You're going to be great. And we have a speaker that night. And both of them, actually, I told my story on Friday night. And then Jay Client spoke on Saturday. And then for the treatment centers, we're out there Saturday when we're doing all the events. And you know, some of those clients are watching what's going on. Some are not really realizing what's happening or what this is all about. The other ones get it. They're like, oh, this is what sobriety can be like. This is what my life can be like. I can get to come to come to Stony, the Understars next year and play volleyball and compete and try to win this big giant sober games belt. Like I can be part of that. Yeah. And then I can do different like, is it just volleyball or do you all have different games? So we started off with tug of war and egg balance, egg balance challenge, which is egg on a spoon and relay race. Yeah. And then it's transition to pass the cup or fill the cup where you start with a big giant bucket, fill a red little cup and try to pass it on along the line until the end. And whoever's got the most water at the end of the line wins. And then musical chairs has always been a big staple of it. And then since we started the new spot, we kept doing tug of war because that's some reason people love it. That means it's hard to like an old American pastime. Yeah. So we kept tug of war and introduced volleyball, volleyball is an instant hits. So the following, and we kept musical chairs for the final games in a surprise game. Like one year we did karaoke, a dance battle, voice battle, things like that or voice over where he would voice the song and entertain the crowd. And I wouldn't decide who wins, let the crowd decide who wins. Right. Just keeping that crowd involved. Yeah. Let's make it everybody feel like they're part of this. Not just watching it, they're part of it. They've lived this. So we always did something like that. This year we did something more where we played minutes of winning games and every game people were regaining points for the end of the night. And the night whoever had the most points wins, except the top three teams. And this year it was ALR took first place. Ripple Ranch took second place and new choices took third place. Shout out to ALR, man. Yeah. ALR new choices. Ripple was last year's Silver Games winner. Nice. But they had they had the belt and we able to hold bragging rights and get the name with the belt for the year. That's cool. Yeah, that's that's something we do for our church. We do a men's camp. And that's what it is. It's games all fucking weekend long. And then at night, they'll have like a speaker meeting. They'll have like someone come out and like do the sermon. But it's but there's not much of that. There's some fellowship. But mainly like during the day, it's balls to the wall, tug of war, like a push ups, sit ups. I mean, they do all kinds of shit. And it's just fun. But tug of war is always like the best one. Everybody loves tug. Yeah. I mean, like it doesn't like it's like who do you get on your team? Do you get big guys? Do you get fat guys? Do you get skinny guys? Do you? Who do you get? See? It's like everybody always tries to get the meteor guys. Yeah. Well, like we like the first to start it, we had this guy named Panda and he'd be on the end of the road on one side. And the other team would start pulling. It ain't going nowhere. Yeah. It's like, oh shit. But I mean, and sometimes I think about like if I had like a big giant pit to be in the middle, so instead of them pulling the whole team to the other side, just pull them into the mud and that's how the game is over. That'd be great. But I'm also taking an aspect. I don't want to damage the property of where we're at and stay respectful. Yeah. I have to regulate it with them and thought and just so they can keep wanting us to come back every year. Yeah. Y'all have co-ed teams too? Yeah. Everything is co-ed. Everything is co-ed. Everything is co-ed and equal. Yeah. As much as we can. That's cool. Now when they sign up, it is what it is. Yeah. Who's playing. But all the teams that are playing, it's just stays equal and nothing segregated. So even the volleyball, they have to have a certain amount of girls on the team. Well, not really. You know, it's just as long as you have six to ten members, you're good to play. Yeah. And majority of them are filled with girls. Some of them are, some of them are just guys. Like ALR has been majority just men. Yeah. But Ripple's men and women and some of the other teams are also men and women too. And we have some sober houses that come out and it's just men for those teams. But it's just whatever you got and wants to play, bring them, you know. Yeah. Backs is ten. Like make it work. Like we set the guidelines just follow directions. Yeah. Easy peasy. Well, you're doing a good thing there, dude. Yeah. And, and I think we're going to, is it, when is it coming up and when's it happening? So we just did one in October, 17th, 18th and 19th. We're working on next year's, but we'll be having sober games events throughout the year. We're working on a paintball tournament, but it's for private and by only for teams that are playing. But we're inviting fans to come out and cheer those teams on. Okay. So, but ALR's obviously going to be there. Ripple's going to be there. Stone River's going to be there. Unity House is going to be there. Rise recovery services is going to be there. Recovery outside is going to be there. I've been talking to them. And then those are the six teams, but two of those teams have two teams because there's just so many of them. Yeah. So I'll regulate it and sell paintball. ALR always has a bunch of good athletes. Oh, dude. For fucking whatever. Oh my gosh. They always have athletes. So, well, if you go out there, it makes sense, man. They got like a compound to work out and shit. Literally. Yeah. They have more than nicer facilities. So we had the, the volleyball tournament in San Antonio and May of this year. And it's like, okay, you know, there's just a bunch of people playing. Emotion was there. Emotions really cool. And they're all athletes as well. But I did it in Austin at HX Beach and ALR came out and recovery outside. And we're like, oh shit. This is a total different breed. Yeah. We're watching them play. We're like, dude, these guys are like fucking pros. What the fuck? Yeah. It's like, dude, yeah, these guys, it's all they do is they play and work out and just stay fit. Like, that's it. Like, good gosh. And I was talking to somebody about it. It goes dude, up in Austin, it's a whole different animal. It really is. Just like, wow. So in Ripple One last year, that's the one that was kind of funny. Yeah. Take it. Sook it Austin. Well, dude, yeah, we'll get involved next time you do one. Absolutely. Yeah. We post them on Facebook and then I make fire. Tyler mentioned it to us, but it was like a week before. Yeah. They advanced. When he came on, Y'all's event was coming. And it was already too late to like fucking put a sponsorship in and all that shit. Yeah. And it was even too late for me to even go because I had my daughter like, I can change weekends up with my with my daughter's mom with an advance. But I can't tell her like a week in advance, I guess which. Right. But yeah, let us know when it is. Yeah. Absolutely. We'll definitely jump on and sponsor it and do that. Yeah. If you follow me on Instagram or a TikTok and Facebook, you'll see everything. You'll see it. Well, they find you, man. What are the handles? So TikTok is, some are games. Pretty simple. Okay. Facebook is as Scout. Etter and Instagram is SG Scout. Scout, etter, how do you spell it? So etter, like we're better about the beat. Okay. E-T-T-E-R. Cool. Well, cool, dude. Yeah. You got to spell it out for some of our audience. Yeah. And for me. Echo tango tango. It's more like for me. It's more for me. Well, dude, we appreciate you coming by. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys. Share your experience and sharing what you're doing with Silver Games, man. That's so fucking cool. I can't tell you how cool I think that shit is. Dude, it lights me up every time. And I have no doubt that we're going to start seeing more and more. And then eventually we'll have a Silver Games like fucking Olympics. Like where you'll do it. Yeah. Like, hey, we're going to Canada. Like that would be super dope. Like I'm always floating ideas and come up with things just because I'm always thinking of things. And at some point, I wanted to do like state versus state. Yeah, dude. Like Texas versus California. Who's bigger? Yeah. Yeah. We are. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Texas. We're better. Texas versus Iowa. Marshalltown. Marshalltown. Yeah. But dude, this is great having you on. It's honor having you on and talk a little bit more about you and. Can't wait to get to know you a little bit more down the road and. Absolutely. Get more involved and you just for anything, dude. Let us know you know where to find us. Oh, yeah. No, I do. Yeah. Just ignore the knocks late at night. It's not me. Okay, definitely, definitely not me. Well, well, again, man, appreciate it very much. I think we're having. And we'll have you back before you know it. Yeah. All right. Look forward to it. All right, brother. I mean, to add some more on peace out.