SC EP:1198 What I saw fills me with dread

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw was bears. Handy Handy I've been wondering what you're putting. Jesus Christ, you better. Turn. See ya. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on downstairs? It's not about this. It's about six foot nine. I don't know. Easy to mount, sir. Yes, the broken right here. Uh-huh. This is Jack from South Mississippi. And you're listening to SAS Quartz Chronicles. So, walk a lap and hang on. I want to thank the audience for all the kind emails. I'm going to thank the audience for all the kind emails. I'm going to thank the audience for all the kind emails. Well wishes and messages I got regarding my dog Teddy. I talked about him on last week's show. And he's doing much better. He's walking around a lot better. I'm wondering though, he might be a little bit of a sociopath. He was walking fine. And he came into the kitchen. And I said, how's my boy doing? And I mean, I laughed. His improv skills are terrible. Plus his injuries on his back right leg, not on his front paw. And as soon as I had a piece of cornbief, a deli slice in my hand, which is his kryptonite, he was magically healed. It's a Christmas miracle. And thank God because, you know, I can't, I don't have any more emergency vet visits. I can financially recover from. But thank you again. Tonight we'll be speaking with Mason. And he had three events that happened to him that changed his life. And to this day, he struggles with seeing something that should not exist. And I'll let Mason go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskwatchcronacles.com And if you get a chance, check out saskwatchcronacles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Mason to the show. Mason, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, Wes. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know we're going to talk about three different incidences that happen throughout your life. The very first one was back in 2013 in upstate New York. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were you doing and what happened? Yeah. So around 2013, a friend of mine named Perry, his dad had just come back into his life. And he asked Perry if he wanted to go out and go camping. You know, just spend some time together. And I won't say why they were estranged, but Perry and his dad were, you know, a little distant from each other. So Perry decided he wanted to drag me along. So his mom called my mom asked if I wanted to come camping with them. And of course, you know, I'm going to take every chance. It's the Adirondack Park. It's beautiful up there. So I went over to his house. His dad came and picked us up. He was in the middle of summer. So neither of us had school. And I don't remember which area it was, but I mean, there's hundreds of ponds in the Adirondack, hundreds of lakes. And a lot of them have campsites around them. So I can't be exactly sure which one it was. But when we went out, his dad basically had gone for one of the more, I don't say expensive, but definitely more well kept ones. And when I say well kept, I mean, they kept all of the campsites clean. They have picnic tables there. They have fishing. They keep the lake or pond, whichever it was, well stocked. And well, on the way there, Perry's dad decided he wanted to scare us. And he decided to do that ironically enough by telling us a story about Bigfoot. The thing that was funny to me about that is my entire life. I've kind of been fascinated with the subject. I'm like the other kids my age. I was in the library at school and there just happened to be a book about cryptids. And I don't know what it is that Bigfoot, but it really interested me. So I watched all the shows and stuff. So I'm saying they're like, I'm not afraid of Bigfoot. I watched Harry and the Hendersons and stuff like that. It's just a big ape in the woods. Nothing to be afraid of. I guess you could kind of tell we weren't exactly freaked out because he just kind of stopped near the end of the story and decided, all right, we'll go through campsite. I won't bore you with the story anymore. We got there, I want to say middle of the day. And we had a great time. Some more, we went a little bit of fishing, cut hot dogs, stuff like that, just the usual stuff in your camping. And we had brought a pretty large cooler to where it took me and Perry to haul it out of the back of his dad's mini van. And I promise it's relevant because I mean, we brought snacks, sandwiches, sodas, chips. I mean, we brought, you know, the whole nine yards to keep two teenagers fed. I'd say it was around 10 o'clock at night. We decided, let's, you know, call the night. Considering what we wanted to spend the next day relaxing or just enjoying what little time we had left. Because his dad didn't have a lot of money. So he didn't book us a long time at the campsite. So, you know, we figured to get advantage of the time we have. His dad had, he had bought this. I don't remember what size, but like it was one of those vast protests. It fit maybe three, four people. Family size, I guess you call it. It was made of that, you know, that a nylon material that's like it's somewhere between plastic and nylon where it stretches a little bit, but it also like you stretch it too far. It'll start to push in the rest of the tent. And we had actually spent maybe an hour struggling to put that thing together. And it was, because none of us had really, you know, thought to read the instructions or anything beforehand. So, I wouldn't say it was most put together tent, but I mean, you know, it was going to make do. So we started around 10 o'clock, called the night, packed everything up, threw away our trash into a bag. And we all went to bed. I want to say I wasn't exactly the most wellvers in the way of the woods. I, you know, I'm 13. We had just moved to the I don't deck park. My family and I maybe two years ago. So, as far as I know, everything around these normal, I mean, it's upstate New York, middle of the woods, hundreds of thousands of bugs chirping. You have a loon on the lake. And sound of a couple other camps nearby. And, sorry, I'm shaking a little bit. I know I hear people say reliving it's an experience. I'd never heard of this happening before. To be fair, I, like I said, wasn't exactly wellversed in the woods. But Perry and I had been laying there and, you know, we're teenage boys. We're not going to bed immediately. Perry's dad calmed down immediately. He's, you know, dead to the world of sleep. Perry and I are, you know, laughing, giggling a little bit because, you know, we're trying not to wake up his dad. And so everything gets a little extra funny when we kind of noticed everything getting quiet. And as everything got quiet, we also noticed, like, I know I hear hunters say, you know, you can tell when something's caught your people or bipedal. And at the time, I had never hunted yet. So I wasn't exactly familiar. But I mean, what we heard sounded very bipedal. Like it sounded like some person was walking between campsites and heading towards us. For a context between each campsite, I think there was around 50 to 100 feet or something like that of forest, just so you know, you had your privacy. Don't remember exactly how thick it was, but I mean, you know, decently thick woods. And it sounded like someone was walking up to our camp. Perry and I were like, okay, I don't know what that is. I for some reason assumed because his dad had splurged and got us next to the lake. Like, I mean, like right next to the lake. I think we might have been next to like an old boat ramp or something like that, just a dirt boat ramp. Because there was a nice little slope into the water. But, um, had I played it? We heard what sounded like someone walking up and I thought it was a loon. So, you know, I'm like, okay, we're just a loon or a hair and or something walking up to our camp. Up until you kind of started to feel it. Like the ground itself kind of like this bump bump. And there was like a good two seconds between each step. It's like, you know, for us, it's like step, step, step, step. It sounded like step, step, step. At first, I was like, okay, it's just someone or something walking nearby, getting a little close. Ground, I can feel it through the ground. Until it started to. I guess it was approaching the tent to begin with. But when it got to, sorry, let me back up a little. I'm like, I'm a little shaky. I heard and felt it walking up to the tent. Like I'm talking it. You know when someone like an adult or something when you're a kid, they would jump out land next to you and scare you, you could feel them hit the ground. Yeah, it felt like that. But like each step it felt like that. And it got to a certain point where I think Perry noticed it when I did as well that the woods had gone completely silent. There was like, for the past hour, you could have heard a loon on the lake and, you know, like I said, hundreds of thousands of bugs. It's the woods. Everything went silent. And I kind of turned. I had been laying on my right side so I could look at him. And I decided I need to be on my back because something in the back of my head told me, you don't want to have your back to this. You just really don't want to have your back to this. So I rolled over onto my back and I look left and that's about where I'd say the footsteps stop is right next to the tent right on my left side. And for a couple of seconds, it seems like, okay, whatever this is is checking us out and it's going to leave. I could not have been more wrong. It, uh, the next thing I know it looks like something's pushing in the side of the tent that I'm on. And it's a large something like my dad is six foot. He has big hands like my dad's kind of built like a retired football player is how I put it. And this when I saw pushing in the side of the tent was a hand and it reminded me of my dad's only three or four times as big. Side of the tent is stretching in and you can see, you know, the indents of the fingers and the palm. And my heart stopped. I'm shaking real bad. Remember this. I know Perry was terrified because I glanced over at him and his eyes or his wide mind probably were. We're both holding our breath when. Well, Perry's dad was a bit of a sleep talker. And he mumbled something. I'm not sure what, but it was just loud enough that whatever was beside the tent decided to stop moving. And. It felt like maybe a minute or so went by if I couldn't have been more than maybe 30 seconds. I want to say the hand pulls away. And. I thought for a second. Okay, that's it. Wherever the heck that was, it's it's going. Like in my head, I'm not thinking bigfoot still because. I'm like bigfoot's, you know, Pacific Northwest. It's a West Coast thing. None of the books that I've read has had anything other than, you know, like the tady type out towards you and the skunk gave down in Florida. I mean, I'm going to upstate New York. Sure, it's the woods. But I mean, I've never heard of anyone running into anything like that up here. But there's like this feeling in the back of my mind that. I mean, come on. What else could it be? That was a huge hand. Well. For a couple seconds. It's quiet. Like through this whole thing, I never heard breathing or anything like that is just dead silent. Except for Perry's dad who. He's a he's an all right man, but he was not helping in this situation because every time he would mumble in his sleep, it felt like. I don't know like he was doing something wrong. Because at one point, we tried to get him to wake up and were like, there's something in the camp, something pushed in the side of the tent. And. It makes me chuckle a little bit, but he. I guess he kind of half woke up and you know, I know you guys are trying to scare me. This is payback for the big foot story. And then he went right back to sleep. Well. During this, it. You could still feel the steps whenever it would move and it you could feel that was walking away from us. Like I said, I was under the impression, okay, this is all over. Until you hear the cooler get touched like jobs a little bit. You hear the ice inside moving. Then you hear the top of it open and. You could hear plastic baggies crinkling ice moving. And. I look over at Perry and. I'm just. I could barely breathe in the moment. Having trouble breathing now. This one on for maybe. I want to say minutes, three minutes. I'm not exactly sure. I just know it felt like forever. Eventually Perry's dad makes another noise. And. You hear the cooler clothes. And then you could feel the steps starting to walk away. And. Only this time they weren't heading where they had come from. They instead headed down towards this little incline into the water. It sounds like whatever this is is walking into the water. And then you can hear. Just. What sounds like someone. Swimming away. After that. Slowly the sound started to come back. Like I'm like the wood started to come alive again. Perry I think passed out. I think he was probably just as terrified as I was. But I could not get back to sleep after that. I stayed up probably the whole rest of the night just kind of waiting for it to come back. I never did. But. I stayed up the whole night. Parting my throat. Until morning came. And we walked outside. And you know there's stuff on the ground. Coolers been moved maybe a little bit on the picnic table. Like you can tell something moved it. But it never took it off. Walked over the cooler. And we opened it and there was this. It was like an oily texture on the cooler. This way I can put it is. Have you ever done your own oil change for your car? Yeah, of course. It felt like that. It had that kind of consistency to it. And it. It didn't smell like how I've heard people describe the smell. It was more like. It was like stale air or like. I want to say like. My mind always goes back to stale. Like stale wood or something like that. Just it. It smelled. Like. The best way I can put it is it smelled old. And stale. After that, we. Kind of well. Pairing is dead. I was just enjoying the day. I enjoyed the day. Sposely good. And every time I tried to bring myself to Perry, I mean, he get a Looking his eyes, but. She just started to pretend like it didn't happen, or it was a bird. Like, I asked him about it a few years ago. And. We were on the phone. I was talking to him and his wife was in the background. I guess he had me on speaker, because. Like we were talking about it. We're reminiscing about that camping trip. And. I was talking to him. And. I was talking to him. And. And. And. And. And. Perry's pretty quick with it. He'll respond fast. You know, barely a breath between responses. And. He paused for a long while. And. He said, yeah, the bird. You know, like emphasizing bird. I think he's embarrassed. There's one thing to talk about it or terrified or what. But. He just doesn't want to talk about it. I feel like I need to talk to him about it, just so I can confirm. Like, that happened, right? Like, that wasn't just us, you know, being teenagers and being too tired and. Misidentifying this whole thing. But. Now, he refuses to talk about it. Ever. Even now he won't talk about it. I think he is embarrassed, but at the same time, I think there's that layer of. He doesn't want. His world to get strange in the sense. Like, if he accepts what he saw that night and what we heard. That. You know, he'll have to accept that the world's a lot stranger than he thinks. And I think he might be scared of that. Yeah, a lot of people are like that. I've met many from the show that are like that. It's a behavior that people used to kind of protect themselves. The next morning, when you guys got up, did you speak with Perry's father about what had happened the night before? We tried to bring you that to him and he kind of just waved it off. He was like, oh, you're just trying to scare me. Like, I was probably a bird or something or someone from a different campsite got drunk and walked into our campsite or something. He. I don't think he has ever considered Bigfoot to be a real thing. So when I was like, no, this was a gigantic hand pushing in the side of the tent. He just kind of wrote me off. Like, you're just my son's odd friend who thinks he saw some big animal or something like that pushing in the side of the tent. I think he just kind of wrote it all off as either us trying to get back at him or. Just our imagination. Definitely saw it in my opinion of them hand at the time because you know, I'm 13 and I'm used to adults being like, oh, you're very imaginative, but. You know, it's that moment when you really need someone to listen to you and understand what you're saying. And he just flat out didn't want to hear it. He was all ready to go fishing and then get packed up and head back out. And for the audience listening, you know, that hand pushing in on the tent. Could it have been a man or what was it about it that made you think that's too big to be a man. So I always related back to my dad because like I said, my dad has big hands. He's like when I say built like a former football player, I mean, like my dad could probably wrap his whole hand around my head even as an adult. And this thing, I mean, it looked like is if this thing had picked up like a bowling ball or something like that, it would have been like. The size of a lemon or. Had like almost like Shaqille O'Neill, but like maybe a little larger. You've seen the pictures of him holding like a regular water bottle, right? It's like a tiny little toy in his hands. Best description would be something similar to that. Like it looked like. If it kept reaching through, it could have probably grabbed my head with. I'm going to say five inches of room between or not room, but I. Five more extra inches of length and fingers to wrap around my head. Like I'm talking Nick, you're probably if if it had reached in and had ill intent, it could have easily squished my head like a grade. And I always come back to that because like. I don't want to say I felt ill intent that night, but. Something in my mind always tells me when I go back to that night that if. Perry and I had made any loud sounds or tried to go out there anything like that, then. I don't know something bad would have happened to us. I feel like. I don't know. I feel like that hand could have easily ripped me into. If it had wanted to. I had never experienced the woods going quiet before. So the moment I noticed that my. I guess you could say that the hair on the back of my neck raised because. You know, that's. That's odd. I've never like I've heard, you know, it get quiet before, but there's still bugs. Yeah. The birds on the lake are still making calls, but. I mean, everything. But the lake went quiet like you could hear little waves laughing, but that's it. So when it was started walking up in the moment it pushed its hand in on the side. I won't lie. I'm I can kind of went blank. And I think that's understandable. It's a scary night for two 13 year olds. You often hear this behavior from these creatures and it makes me wonder if they do that to see if anyone's awake. Because right after that it went to the cooler. And you know, I've seen pictures of it. I've seen videos of it where eyewitnesses will talk about these creatures coming up. And for example, putting their hand on the back glass door. And you can see this weird, oily outline of of the hand. Did you show Perry's dad that oil in the cooler the next day? We showed him that, but I'm not sure if he knew or not. Like I said, he tried to like write everything off. He treated like it was just, oh, that's weird. Anyways, you know, like you carried on with his day after that. I've heard this behavior many times before where they'll push their hand in on the tent or there's been other cases that eyewitnesses have reported where they'll push their face into the tent kind of sniff. And I've always wondered, you know, my opinion, I think they're trying to see if anyone's awake. If anyone's going to freak out because they have an agenda like in your case with the cooler. And I really want to talk to you about the third incident where you actually saw the creature. But before we get into that, the second time or the second incident in your life, how many years later was it? And if you would, what happened? So the second incident was about let's say a year later. I know it was 2014 because my dad had gotten a new job and he, his company had basically been like getting him a bunch of upgrades for Apple and stuff like that. So he had given me his old iPad for my birthday and my birthday isn't March. So I know it must have been the summer that because I was still, you know, I'm 14. I'm wide. I'm like, oh, I can watch YouTube at night because the family computers upstairs. I can do all sorts of stuff. I mean, I would stay up all night all the time watching YouTube. But I remember it was, I think about midsummer. And the house we had is on a hill. And like we were about middle of the hill. The house had been a family friends and he had been working on it for years and then just randomly decided one day he had found a better property and wanted to get rid of this. So he sold it to my family back before I think 2007. And after 2008, when the bubble popped or whatever, you know, I mean the financial crisis, we had moved up and we had done a lot of work in the house. One main issue was air conditioning. We still hadn't really fixed that problem by 2014. Like we had a good air conditioner. It's just it wasn't able to keep up with our needs. My mother and I run pretty warm. So I would sleep with my windows open. And my room was located at the back on what I guess you would call the ground floor. I say what you would call it because since we were on the incline half of the house was about 10 feet like the ground floor was 10 feet up from our driveway and the driveway went all the way back behind the house into a small circle that had the garage and then woods between our house and another neighborhood. When I say neighborhood, I mean like just a few houses, not a lot. The area that we lived in was I'll say the town name just because not a lot of people know the town and I mean, I don't expect people to go flocking there, but it's the it's Sarah neck Lake. It's been 15 minutes away from Lake Placid where the 1980 miracle and ice happened so it's kind of a touristy town, but because it's in the out of our index, they park. They aren't allowed to do a lot of tree clearing or anything like that. So a lot of the homes are basically built into the forest and ours wasn't really an exception to that. We're surrounded by woods. There was woods between us and other houses. Since then they've definitely cut down a lot more and built newer houses, but our house was right up the street from I want to say around 100 to 150 miles of woods. Just a lot of a lot of tree cover and that night I had just kind of been relaxing in my room. I've been watching YouTube and I had my TV on and it was quiet. And I had my dog in his cage and he had been a new dog that we had just gotten. He was a key Sean and they're known for being pretty loud dogs. I don't know if anyone or anything went by the house and it would be 20 minutes of barking. That's why I'm surprised by what happened that night on top of you know what did happen. But I've been relaxing just mining my own business. I know it was for I want to say after midnight. Not quite sure but I just know that it was middle of the night and I needed to be quiet because my mother's room was right above mine. And I knew if I woke her up it would have been my life on the line. But I never heard it walk up. But like I said my my room's about 10 feet up or at least the window is 10 feet up. And this I wanted to say God awful noise. This it sounded like a scream like a feminine scream almost but it was too toned like there was this heavy base behind it. While at the same time there was like this almost like feminine screeching almost like a banshee or something like that. And I remember the window everything inside of my body and even my iPad everything just shuttered. It's like you know when you stand next to a where they called like one of those really good speakers that they have that like concerts and stuff like that and you can feel the air vibrating around you. Yeah it was like that but like every bit of my room is how it felt like everything had been affected by this. And I feel a little bad but I kind of just threw the iPad that my dad had gotten me on the floor and I went well I jumped to my feet. And as I jumped to my feet in the distance as this call beside my room ends. I hear one what I can only zoom is down the street or in the road call back and I mean it filled me with absolute terror. I remember I three iPad down and I filled that with my dog but I thought every man for himself and I went running out of my room. I'm not afraid to admit I started screaming for my mom because you know I may be 14 but faced with like terror I haven't felt since maybe the year before maybe even more terror I'd say I you know I want my mom. And I'm screaming for her I'm screaming for her I'm running and she comes rushing down the stairs maybe five seconds after I get out of my room. And I mean it's only like 10 feet from my room to the stairs to go up to her so I can only assume that like she she slept with her windows open as well. Like I said we both run warm so we keep our windows open it keeps the house ventilated so I can only assume that she heard it too and it scared her. But she came running downstairs and she's going what what what and I said what what the heck is that I didn't say heck but you know that I went what the heck is that like what is that. And she goes I don't know and I was like I'm like I was startering and I don't remember my exact words to her but I'll never forget what she said to me which was what do you want me to do about it get a gun and go outside and shoot it and. Like I I'm part of the generation that grew up with I promise it's relevant but with like Steve Irwin and stuff like that so you know unless you absolutely need to kill an animal i'm not going to be like outside you know just shoot a squirrel or something like that for the sport. I never want you know someone to go out and just heard an animal but. In my heart I wanted her to go out and destroy whatever this was because I had this feeling in my body that told me this is like a killer be killed situation and I told her yes I want you to go out there and like kill it and. She'll she doesn't admit it even to this day I don't think she really remembers that situation if she does she doesn't admit it but I mean I'm a little ashamed to admit I I asked her if I could stay in her room that night because I mean. Sorry i'm just remembering the sound and. I mean remembering the sound it makes my heart hurt it was that terrifying and. For years after that like it sorry in the middle of that whole thing I I asked her what is that and. She looked terrified but she didn't say anything for a moment she just said oh it's just fox is doing mating calls and. I'll tell you this 2014 up to 2015 I had been out hunting with my friend Brandon white a lot and. There's a lot of foxes near Santa like they're always looking for each other so I got pretty used to that sound this was not that. I tried to figure out what this sound was for years until I think it was I've been listening to your show since 2016 and I think it was 2018. Because I was about to graduate from high school and. I don't remember who it was but you had a gentleman on who described that he heard a. Stem and in shrieking call and you had played this one sound I don't remember what it's called but. It brought me right back to that night. It. I froze up I started to panic I mean I got tears of my eyes just thinking about this right now. Every time I hear that call I get tears of my eyes and. I you know I need to take a second to breathe and. It just brings me right back to the middle of the night. I mean. It put the fear of God in me like I. You know I I was raised Catholic Christian like you know your mother or your father and they teach you a healthy respect but I mean like. I think I've only ever felt fear like that three times in my life once when my mother was in the hospital second one was when that hand pushed in the side of my tent and then. Third time was that night. I guess you could say a fourth time was my most recent incident. Yeah I wish I knew which sound you're referring to text me will you if you if you find out which episode it was or. I've actually heard that banshee call before it was when I was in Texas and I was actually during the day. I didn't have like a female tone to it. It was odd I mean it I couldn't really tell you where it was coming from seemed like it was just coming from everywhere. I say banshee but I mean I remember at the time taking. I don't want to demon sounds like you know screaming but I would imagine this is what it sounds like. And it was very a nerving I mean I was armed to the teeth and I was still a nerve by it. Especially the disorienting like I couldn't really tell you where it was coming from. But I think I know that that sound you're talking about but again if you find it and you know which episode it was let me know. I'm really curious to know what you heard tell me you in. 2022 you moved to Virginia and this is kind of the last incident that happened to you tell me what happened. Last year I lost my grandmother and I will put this way I became disinterested in my line of work at the time. I've been working retail probably eight years at that point and I decided you know I'm a decently strong guy. I want to go out and you know use what I got. So I decided to go work for FedEx down in a little town called Winchester and I just married and just found out that my first child was on the way. So I decided okay I'll do FedEx and then come next year I'll figure out. Some else so I did my training I wrote along with others for about a month or so and then they turned me loose with my own truck. They had a lot of their routes pretty heavily covered. But they had one which was taking one of their main drivers like we're supposed to get back to the depot by eight p.m. And he was being out until like midnight just because he had so many stops it was down in a lary Virginia you know it's famous for the caverns and. It's actually a small nice town and my route was actually a little bit to the east of it. I'd say maybe four miles to the east of it but my route covered around a hundred miles of road just in total and mine was in this little miniature town I guess you would call it called Fairview. Fairview is surrounded by hills, mountains and woods, thick woods and I was very happy to you know go out basically be my own boss listen to music just deliver packages all day going home. Just I wouldn't say a relaxing job but definitely a peaceful job aside from people's dogs it was around November well a little bit previous to November during my route as you know the leaves are changing and starting to fall I started to notice something weird with the woods. And like at this point I'm not really a stranger to the woods I know my way around you know gear stand the blind I know the sounds of the woods decently well and I know the listen to the woods when you're in them because it could you know it could be you or some animal deciding your snack they got a lot of black bears up there so like my the guy took the route from he told me a few black bears that had tried to. Get into his truck at one point and like we we record a lot of this we have cameras on the sides of our truck and it was a video that cat passed around the terminal it was really funny so you know I think in the back of my mind okay there's bears out here there's coyotes you know the usual animals but as the leaves start changing I'm noticing a weird change in the woods like there's three different. There's three different areas I would enter one is called morning star road the other one I can't remember its name I have written down somewhere but it's the small mountain road that goes up to this circle of houses that sit at the top of a mountain and the last one was a road that goes up past the Shenandoah National Park HQ. In all three of these areas signal drops out you know at one point I started to get a really intense feeling of being watched and it would only really be in these three areas and I just wrote it off as oh there's probably like I don't know hunter something out here and he's angry that I'm out here because when I say these are like the middle of the woods I mean like I walk 10 feet away from these people's driveways and I'm in the Shenandoah National Park. I'm I could go for a stroll and not see another house for maybe a hundred miles. So I'm playing Captain Mubli there's nothing down here just do my route until November. In mid November I went up to one of these houses the way I'll describe the house for you in the driveway just because it'll give you a good idea of how this played out their houses on sort of a half hill to where the front of the house hangs off the hill you know supported by wooden beams and then the back of the house is on level ground and the back of the house is where the driveway goes up to. It's a decently large gravel driveway and behind the driveway I say there's about I don't know I'd say I think I said around a hundred feet of graphs like I said I'm not the best judge of distance but you know like it's a decently large yard and at the very edge of the yard is the Shenandoah National Park thick woods and they had this one clear pathway back. Into the woods down towards I think they had it put in or something like that but there was this little waterfall back there with a pond and. I got in pretty chummy with the people I was delivering to you know you deliver enough things for a family especially when they themselves are having a new kid and you know you strike up enough conversations you get to know them my dad is six foot like I said and the dad for this family is about. I want to say six foot five six foot six he's a good head or two taller than my dad it's pretty tall guy most of the time during the summer when I was delivering here I I would see them about. I guess maybe 200 feet back or so just out by that pond in the waterfall and the dad would come walking up to a tree that's about halfway to me in the waterfall like just within the tree line. And you would tell me where to put the packages near the back door go around the front on the deck and put on the front door hide it from his Mrs. and usually they had a car in the driveway so I would have to pull up and my car would be or not my car my truck would be facing straight ahead in their driveway and I'd have to back out. Well like I said come middle of November I pull up and this is going to be the tough one I noticed that the car isn't here so they must not be home and I thought great I can actually fully pull into their driveway because it goes right up beside their deck the back door so I pull all the way up my car is you know perpendicular with the car. I'm perpendicular with the woods like it's acting like a wall between me and the woods I think I was delivering a deer stand or something I remember it was heavy so I was struggling and I dragged it up onto the deck I lay it down flat and I realized I had that weird feeling of being washed. So I stand up and I turn around and at first my eyes didn't catch it but my brain did like you know your eyes scanned the wood line and you don't notice something but something in the back your head goes there was something there you need to look again and I stopped and I looked. I need just about a second real quick. I've always wanted to see one of these things but I've always wanted to see one either with a group or you know crossing the road on in the car or like you know like what the time standing photos someone takes a picture of them and it's. It's clear today and you can see what they look like and I had told myself if I ever see one you know like every every other young dreamer out there like if I ever see one and it's in front of me I'll take a picture of it well I have my phone in my pocket and I never think to pick it up because I mean what I'm working in front of me I still get nervous thinking about it it's only been. It's almost it's almost been a year but it's still like I'm getting cold chills I feel cold down in my bone just remembering it and well standing under that tree or I guess I should say standing a little behind that tree is. That's the way I can put it just a Sasquatch and I looked at it for maybe 30 seconds at first and my brain didn't really register like my brain I've heard people say your brain short circuits and I thought I understood just you know listening to other people having heard the thing outside my window and seeing the hand push in the side of the tent. I understand now what people mean because I try to rationalize I won't lie like I was looking to stat you I'm first split second thought I'm near revolutionary horseite it's a ghost because the way this thing looked. For context, the tree that the dad would stand under had a branch, a pretty thick long branch. It was about, I want to say, three or four feet taller than the dad. This thing's head. From what I can remember, it's just... The top of the head is just up to that branch, if not a little higher. My guess would be about eight or nine feet tall. Its left arm is holding on to the branch. I can't see the right side of its body because the tree line was blocking it. I think this thing was about four or five feet wide, but I could not see the right side of its body, or at least the right arm. I can't remember the face. Every time I've tried to remember the face, I've even tried sitting down and looking. I looked at the taut standing photos and none of those feel like what I looked at. I'm not sure if those are accurate. Every time I try to think about it, I get this horrible pit in my stomach and my heart drops. Even now, I'm getting really teary eyed. It feels like my mind won't let me remember the face. I don't know why. I think it's one of those defense mechanisms or something the brain does. I know I kind of honed in on the hands. Well, the hand that was holding onto the branch. I felt like forever, but it was a minute or two had to have been. I'm a little embarrassed to say that my short-circating mind told me you should wave. I did do a friendly wave. I just kind of held my hand up and just held it there. It let go of the tree and slowly raised its hand in the exact same way I was. And its hand was different from the one that pushed in the side of the tent. The one that pushed in the side of the tent, it looked like it had sausage fingers. It had been eating fatty meats all its life. It was like, you know what I mean? It looked like it had sausage links for fingers. This one's fingers were slender almost like they were thin but proportional. I want to say and it's hand. It's hand was like a. I want to say like a battleship gray color. Maybe like a. I'd say battleship gray. The more I think about it, it's battleship gray. It was kind of the color. I had a texture like I could I could see that it's hand from this distance was pretty cragally. And the way I equated in my mind, even to this day is rough like elephant skin. Like it looks really leathery even from a distance. Like if I had walked up to this thing, its hand would have been like a topographical map. The other odd thing about it was the hair. It's hair covered the chest, the stomach, everything but from what I can assume was the face. Like I said, I can't remember the face but I know it didn't cover the hand. But the hair was clean. It looked silky. Like I told you in my email, it looks like whenever you whenever you've gone shopping with like a partner, you know, and she looks over and she looks at all the hair dyes or something like that or the shampoos and you see the loriel models how their hair looks like shiny straight clean. It's hair looked like that. But it was silver. It was like a gun metal silver. It's almost like the light hitting its hair and they had hair not furry had like this looked like. I jumped with my my spouse Lynn the other day. I was like kind of like Chris Hemsworth's hair when he was Thor. Like it looked like the nicest hair I've ever seen. But it was where the light hit it. It was silver. But where there was no light where there were shadows and stuff like that. It was like this. It was like a blueish gray like. Not like you know maybe blew anything like that but like a when you look at certain metals and they have that blueish hue to them in certain places it looked like that. And like what is this am I just hallucinating or and then like I said it moved its hand now I did and. Something in my in the back of my mind told me I need to leave because I am not safe. So I slowly walked back over to my truck. I got in. I closed the doors and I remember locking them. And I closed the windows and I locked them. They have a little metal latch in but I even knew. This thing was big enough and. Beepy enough that if it wanted to it could rip you know it could rip apart the truck it could easily go through. Through the windshield or you know so the glass and just take me out. So you know I. I don't regret it but I looked back and it was walking away. I remember how it's head was shaped when it was walking away. It was um it wasn't conical. It was rounded and like you could you could see the musculature and under the fur. And ironically enough the way I would describe the back of its head is um have you ever seen them there's a. A funny picture that went around a few years ago where a guy shaves his head and he gives the back of his head. A goatee and marker sunglasses and like. He looks like a heavy guy and the way his his neck folds weird. It looked like the back of its head had that going on like it not like the goatee thing like that. I mean like it looked like it had. It had some extra skin like it had recently thinned out or something and it had some extra skin on the back of its head that was folding up as it walked. But like right where the traps and back the head met. And uh. I mean this thing. I've heard people describe how they look muscular chair and stuff like that and like. A lot of people say it's built like Arnold back in the day and stuff like that but to me it's um. Forgive forgive my youngster train of thought but have you ever do you play video games at all. I do yeah. Did you ever play the new god of war of all holla. I haven't played the new one well if you get a chance look up Thor in. God of war it's got a war ragnarok that's what it is. He was built kind of like Thor he wasn't as thick in the gut as Thor was but like. He looked like there was that guy who they deemed the strongest man in the world he had like you know there's like a difference between a body builder and. He had a strong man body type like he had a. Like a solid stomach it didn't look fat it looked like it was just a solid round mound of muscle. And I wouldn't say thick pecs I couldn't exactly tell if they were thicker not but. He definitely had a chest to him not like a female or anything like that but like I could definitely tell you know like. He looks like he could place a rock between them flex and shatter the rock. Just like that's what I could tell from under the hair from just looking at him. But as he was walking away I. I looked at him and I was thinking to myself like I. I can't believe I just saw that and then as I'm staring at him my my mind took over again and when you need to leave. Like staying here is not good for you you are going to get hurt. And that's when you know like I was already terrified I was already you know like oh my God what am I seeing. I know what I'm seeing but you know. But I mean something lit a fire under me and I I put the truck in gear. I'm a little shame to say I backed up into a dead a little you know the basketball net thing that you can get that you know it's balanced by the little box behind it. And you know it even put it anywhere in New York for your kids I backed up into one of those. And then I flew out of there. And. I mean I. I spent the whole rest of the day on the phone with my partner Lynn. You know telling telling Lynn like I. Like I need you to believe me Lynn Lynn believes me like I said it's that look of like I believe you I believe you believe what you saw. But like I've even had the conversation with Lynn where I was like. Unfortunately you can't understand until you see these things it's. It shattered my world view in a way like I already believed they were out there but um. I mean. Seeing one kind of just. I think the way I put it to Lynn was seeing Sasquatch is an assault on your world it's. You can believe and believe and believe but when you finally see one your world view changes completely everything is shattered you feel. You feel alone and isolated and in a sense you feel. I feel almost as if everyone looks at me crazy when I talk about them. And I'm over here. You know after seeing this being like no you don't get it. This thing looked like it you know does everything I've ever heard like this thing looked like. If it wanted to it probably could have closed the distance to me within probably a minute flipped my truck on its side and pulled me out and. I mean I've heard from again I'd be you know a statistic I'd be. I'd be on the missing 4011. But no I'd. Like my whole world has been flipped over because of this thing I can't. I haven't been able to go back into the words I. At the end of November I put in my resignation because I couldn't take that route anymore. Like I focused on being a father since then. Just. But every time I've gone near the words I. I feel exposed I I even tried taking my spouse down to array and showing Lynn where my route was and when we got down there. I mean I. I was in tears the entire time like I wasn't crying crying but like I'm sitting there you know. I got hot tears in my eyes I'm blinking the way my voice is cracking I'm telling Lynn like I think we should go home. And. I mean it. I do plan on going back out into the woods at some point I'm planning on moving the floor to soon and I have a friend who. I'm trying to go hunting and camping and stuff but I told him like. Before we go camping or anything like that I'm getting myself something heavy hitter some sort of you know gun that. You know I can feel even just a shred of safety in the woods again with. You know what I mean you look at these things and. I mean. I mean I'm just like I love the woods but I. I could do without the woods you know what I mean. Yeah I get it I really appreciate you going through that account. You know I for one know how uncomfortable it is to recount an encounter. And even when it's not aggressive because this creature really didn't make any sort of advancement towards you. There's still that shock and there's still that fear of. I need to leave you know I need to get out of here you know about 12 years ago I came across this a lot where. And I know from your email you're like 70 feet away from this saying. Where people would explain everything they saw except for the face. And it used to really frustrate me until I got to the point where I realized it's shock it's shell shock you know it's. I can't kind of came to the conclusion that I think it's the brains way of protecting us we kind of blank out those things. I'm as a way of kind of protecting us and you're right you know you can believe in bigfoot all you want. But the moment you see one it's not what you think it's going to be. And it's like I used to say be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. And I know this happened to you about a year ago. And I think time helps and it really helped me personally to listen to other people's encounters. Because I started to realize that you know with all the bravado that they do all of the aggressive behavior that they'll do. I don't think I think if you leave they're going to leave you alone it's very rare that someone gets attacked it's only when people provoke it that they get what they want where these things will become extremely aggressive. And like I said there's a lot of bravado with these creatures I mean they'll make scary noises and throw stuff and act like they're going to kill you and it's like a drunk guy in a bar that you know acts like he wants to fight. But does he really want to fight probably not he's just running his mouth that's kind of how these creatures are it like I said rarely does anyone ever get hurt having said that though. I get completely how you feel man I get completely how you feel and I really appreciate you sharing it. What do you think that these things are? I'm not sure I mean there's so much weird stuff that goes on with them you know like you talk with the other people about the lights. And I mean you've talked to people who you know have like the mind speak and stuff like that and there's all sorts of different accounts there's accounts of them eating them being shot and killed. I mean there's so much going on with bigfoot that I I'm not I'm not you know too humble to say I don't know and like I'd love for it to be you know flesh and blood and stuff like that. But the more I hear you have people on who have these you know out of the norm I guess you would say encounters the more it feels like they're more I'm not sure. Yeah that's a fair answer ma'am that's a very it's a very intelligent answer and I'm with you I I would love for it to be a flesh and blood animal. But you know when you hear odd stuff and if it was only from one person you could say well I'm sure there's medication for what that crazy person has. But when it's multiple people who don't know each other and they're telling you this stuff it makes you wonder it really is a mystery. And I know it wasn't the easiest saying to come on the show man but I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and feel free to hit me up anytime you have my number and I enjoyed chatting with you thank you again. I did too thank you for having me on. And that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskwatchcroneacles.com and if you get a chance check out saskwatchcroneacles.com you can become a member and hit additional shows. Until next time everyone. Maybe you should know where the tune going. And I like some this is my own place. Oh, memories of you, Dean. And tender eyes, closer to sky. On the smell of light, memories of you, Dean. I saw music human and writer, the lights on the Nick Bowen with grow white, the lights on the spot. So I put my spill a little wiser, the lights on to eat something, the quiet time, the lights on the spot. This is my own place. Oh, memories of you, Dean. And tender eyes, closer to sky. On the smell of light, memories of you, Dean. And tender eyes, closer to sky. And tender eyes, closer to sky. Oh, memories of you, Dean. And tender eyes, closer to sky. And tender eyes, closer to sky. On the smell of light, memories of you, Dean. Oh, memories of you, Dean. Oh, memories of you, Dean. Oh, memories of you, Dean. Oh, memories of you, Dean. Oh, memories of you, Dean. So I just didn't know, it was not only for me, it's not found to keep to me. So I walked the time, it was not make a statement, it was slip away. So I just didn't know, it was not only for me, it's not found to keep to me. You are the guest, you know, it was slip away, it was slip away. It was slip away. And tender eyes, closer to sky. And tender eyes, closer to sky. And tender eyes, closer to sky.