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Capital One Acquires Brex for $5B, Davos’s $500M business, Apple’s Siri rebuild | Diet TBPN

30 min
Jan 23, 20263 months ago
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Summary

This episode covers major tech and business developments including Capital One's $5.15 billion acquisition of Brex, insights from Davos 2025 where tech leaders dominated discussions, and updates on AI companies like Anthropic reaching $9 billion revenue run rate and OpenAI adding $1 billion in API ARR.

Insights
  • Davos has experienced a resurgence with tech leaders taking center stage, suggesting the event's relevance is being restored after years of missing major trends
  • The AI infrastructure investment cycle is creating massive revenue opportunities, with companies like Anthropic and OpenAI showing explosive growth despite high operational costs
  • Traditional financial institutions are acquiring fintech companies at significant discounts from peak valuations, indicating a consolidation phase in the fintech sector
  • The satellite internet market is becoming increasingly competitive with multiple players challenging SpaceX's Starlink dominance
  • Apple is making a strategic shift toward conversational AI with a complete Siri overhaul, acknowledging the need to compete directly with ChatGPT and Google
Trends
Traditional banks acquiring fintech companies at discounted valuationsTech leaders using Davos as a platform to influence global policy and regulationAI companies achieving massive revenue growth while facing infrastructure cost challengesSatellite internet market consolidation and competition intensifyingVoice AI interfaces evolving toward full conversational chatbot capabilitiesPrivate credit market experiencing investor redemptions as performance declinesHumanoid robotics moving toward consumer market availabilityAI inference costs driving optimization and multi-platform strategiesEnterprise AI adoption accelerating through API and B2B channelsSpace-based AI computing emerging as a cost-effective solution
Quotes
"We have added more than 1 billion of ARR in the last month just from our API business. People think of us mostly as ChatGPT, but the API team is doing amazing work."
Sam Altman
"The lowest cost place to what AI will be space. And that'll be true within two years, maybe three. Three at the latest."
Elon Musk
"By the end of next year we will be selling humanoid robots to the public."
Elon Musk
"People who have monopolies pretend not to have them and the people who don't have monopolies pretend to have them."
Peter Thiel
"We kind of need now a new concept metaphor for how we use computers in the AI age... a manager of infinite minds."
Satya Nadella
Full Transcript
6 Speakers
Speaker A

First, Davos is winding down. We're finally getting like the final, you know, surprise. Guess Elon is the big one.

0:02

Speaker B

Elon had to come in.

0:09

Speaker A

He had to come in last.

0:10

Speaker B

Buzzer beater gesture match.

0:11

Speaker A

How do you think that works? Do you think he just has like an open invite and then he makes the call like a few hours before and just says, oh, it's going well, I'll be there. And then they just throw him on?

0:12

Speaker B

I think Elon calls up jcal.

0:22

Speaker A

Yeah.

0:24

Speaker B

And says, hey, save me a seat.

0:24

Speaker A

Save me a seat.

0:26

Speaker B

And then that could be it. They figured out from there. I think when you're tracking to be the world's first teen air, you got an open invite. They just have a stage kind of set up.

0:27

Speaker A

Apparently the events go really, really long. Some of the interviews go at 10pm, some start. It's like a full tilt across multiple event spaces. There's different houses all in. Was doing something at the Freedom House. They had a really cool interview with Satya Nadella that I watched. Tech was out in full force. And that's what I wrote about today in the TVPN newsletter. Davos makes half a billion dollars a year in revenue. It's a nonprofit, an ngo, a think tank. But you thinking what I'm thinking, Jordy? For profit conversion.

0:36

Speaker B

That's right.

1:07

Speaker A

Let's make it happen.

1:07

Speaker B

That's right.

1:08

Speaker A

Let's make it happen. It's an old, old organization. Klaus Schwab, who you probably know as the face of it, he was the founder. He started Davos in 1971. The World Economic Forum, it was called.

1:08

Speaker B

He was pushed out last year.

1:21

Speaker A

Yeah. So it's been on the ropes. My thesis is that Davos is back. It was a really good year. I think tech to double down on this. But the first decade, it just sounded like it was an amazing party. One person in 1981 told Time magazine that the forum offers a delightful vacation on the expense account. What a great. What a great line. So it's been a rough decade for Davos. Liz Hoffman teased the concept of an inverse Davos index in semaphore, which I thought was sort of funny. And she sort of wrapped up a few times when the consensus at Davos wound up being, like, woefully wrong. And so she went through a few things. First was that everyone got together at Davos. There was an economist who went on stage in 2008 and said, it is inconceivable, repeat, inconceivable, to get a world recession. It's like the One thing, like, not mincing words, not hedging it all. Just like my prediction is that we will never see a world recession. And of course we did. The Davos crew, they also missed Brexit and the rise of Maga. Davos in 2020. It's always in January. In 2020, it was January 21st to 24th, and there was really no talk of a global pandemic or being wor about that. There was one panel about sort of risks from antibiotics or something, but they certainly weren't talking about the coronavirus. And just a week later, Balaji posted that famous going viral post on January 30, saying, like, hey, I'm tracking this. I've been tracking this for a while and this seems really serious. And a lot of people in tech were already tracking it. So there was this disconnect between, like, you go to Davos and you hear, like, the number one thing this year is the metaverse. Apparently they did a big metaverse push and then the year plays out and it's a wildly different story.

1:23

Speaker B

It seems like there may be the Internet. I certainly wouldn't say the Internet has forgotten about the iconic line, you'll own nothing and be happy. But I haven't seen it so much over the last week. A lot more focus on.

3:03

Speaker A

Yeah, it's interesting. That line was all about just financialization and was really.

3:18

Speaker B

I like to think it was about enterprise software.

3:23

Speaker A

Yes, yes. We're moving away from box software.

3:25

Speaker B

Exactly.

3:28

Speaker A

To SaaS.

3:28

Speaker B

You're going to own nothing.

3:29

Speaker A

Yeah. You don't own happy. This particular version of Turbo Puffer you pay for consumption this year feels like a big turnaround. Dario Amadei, Demis Hassabis, Satya Nadella. All their interviews have been going viral on the timeline in California. There's been a bunch of articles written about what they've said at Davos. There hasn't necessarily been a huge reversal in the positions of these tech leaders. They're saying things that they've been saying for a year or so too, sometimes more. But there's some feeling, like when you say a line like, we could have 20% unemployment in two years, it just sounds different when you say it directly to a bunch of world leaders, a bunch of global elites, a bunch of, you know, international executives, than when you say it on a tech podcast that's a little more insidery, a little more inside baseball. So it just hits different. And then it's also an interesting reflection to hear. Like, the Satya Nadella all in interview had had an interesting like almost like high, low aspect to it, where Satya was talking about very specific details of copilot implementation, what the future of the workstation could look like, whether people will be running, you know, side companies. Yeah, so he's going in a lot of detail there and then he's also zooming out and reiterating what he told other business leaders just about the general wave of AI adoption that's still pretty early on the global stage. And so it's felt like there's two different conferences going on. We've read this from this take from a couple of different people where tech leaders are talking about research, progress, employment impacts, sovereign AI data center buildouts, and then the politicians are talking about Greenland, Venezuela and trade deals. But even though there's like this to this bifurcated vibe going on, it still feels like a win win because the tech industry is getting their messages into the global ST now, where in an audience that will ultimately determine how quickly this technology rolls out and how it will be regulated. And I imagine that the tech industry is driving a lot of growth for the World Economic Forum because every company you've seen the Palantir House, there's a lot of different tech companies that have really gone big on sponsorship, gone big on their presence. And I imagine this will get bigger. OpenAI was sort of notably absent or not absent, but didn't take, didn't take over the stage. And you would imagine that next year, given the vibes around this one, that there will be more of a presence from basically all the big tech companies.

3:30

Speaker B

We had, we had an opportunity to have a presence there and we didn't think that it fully made sense for this year, just given historical stuff. Yeah, travel was a big factor and.

5:58

Speaker A

So I think Davos is back. I think it's time to ski. And congratulations to everyone that's been having fun and making waves in Davos. There's a whole bunch of videos that we should go through. Midnight Capital. He's given us some instructions. He says, or they say, listen to this, then watch the second video.

6:08

Speaker B

And this host over at Fox Business has given us a run for our money in the costume department.

6:25

Speaker A

Maria Bartiromo knows how to dress. This is a fantastic outfit. Is the space getting more competitive for you today?

6:30

Speaker C

Our space is incredibly competitive. I've got a lot of competitors. It's hard to imagine. Google has been here for a while and they're excellent AI company for a very long time and they're incredible company, but we have competition from all sides and well, we just have to run fast, you know.

6:37

Speaker A

And then Midnight Capital says, watch the.

6:57

Speaker B

You know, a company has an insane monopoly. If they're trying to convince you that.

6:59

Speaker A

I think that's where we're going with this. You're giving away the punchline. Play the teal clip. At the London School of Economics, the.

7:03

Speaker D

People who have monopolies pretend not to have them and the people who don't have monopolies pretend to have them. And so it gets kind of confusing. If you're Google, you will never say that you're a search engine. You will say you're a technologist company. And technology is a vast, incredibly competitive space. If you're in a completely competitive business, let's say you're trying to open a restaurant in London and you will say, well, this is totally different from any other restaurant. It will be the only British Nepalese fusion cuisine within a five block radius of the lsc.

7:11

Speaker B

I studied, yeah.

7:40

Speaker A

Jensen studied and said, you know what, it's incredibly competitive. Of course he's also going through an acquisition with Grok and it seems like the GROK deal will go through, but.

7:41

Speaker B

It'S like I have so much competition I had to spend $20 billion on a team.

7:51

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah. And yeah. Please define my market as also including CPU and also including ASICS and also including like everything else that could possibly compete with Nvidia.

7:55

Speaker B

The Journal had a good summary of kind of some of Jensen's points of view out of Davos. Nvidia CEO says AI needs more investment in defiance of bubble fears, Jensen called for higher investments to further spread the technology across developed and emerging economies. Huang described AI as a five layer cake consisting of energy, chips, cloud infrastructure, models and application. He said AI's applications, how the technology is used in a specific industry is the most critical layer of that cake as it is where the economic benefits lie. Sectors like energy or semis, both key to developing and harnessing the technology, are already growing thanks to AI. But he said more investments are needed to ensure that benefits of the technology spread to more industries across both developed and emerging economies. The AI bubble comes about because the investments are large and the investments are large because we have to build the infrastructure necessary for all of the AI layers. I think the opportunity is really quite extraordinary and everybody ought to get involved. It's open for business, folks.

8:04

Speaker A

Me defending my vibe coded CRM I made in one shot with GPT4O. Sometimes it's too slow for sure and needs to be reformed for sure. But which is predictable, loyal sometimes.

9:01

Speaker B

That'S. He is on one right now.

9:20

Speaker A

What was the story behind the glasses? Somebody I saw some meme that I think he suffered an injury or something and some people would say do an eye patch but he went with the sunglasses. It's fantastic.

9:23

Speaker B

He looks like a rock star.

9:32

Speaker A

Yeah, he looks like a rock star. Let's play this clip from Elon Musk at Davos.

9:33

Speaker B

The lowest cost place to what AI will be space.

9:37

Speaker A

And that'll be true within two years, maybe three.

9:41

Speaker B

Three at the latest. Three at the latest.

9:46

Speaker A

Three at the latest. That's an aggressive timeline.

9:48

Speaker B

Yeah.

9:51

Speaker A

Blue Origin launched satellite Internet to rival SpaceX and specifically to rival Starlink. Bezos backed Blue Origin is launching a satellite network for enterprise data center and government customers. Terra Wave, the company aims to begin deploying the first of four 5408 satellites in the fourth quarter of 2027. So a little under two years the service will compete with Starlink and it will also compete with Amazon operated leo, which is interesting. Bezos is entering an increasingly crowded satellite Internet market that's currently dominated by Starlink. Starlink has more than 9,000 satellites in orbit and roughly 9 million customers.

9:51

Speaker B

We gotta do some more research on the Chinese Starlink equivalents. They have Guo Wang which is their like state led effort trying to get to 13,000 satellites by 2030. Currently they have around 150. And then there's Qian Fan which currently has around 100 also trying to get. They're trying to get to 15,000 by 2030 and they're more commercial focused. So be interesting to track.

10:34

Speaker A

And you would think that the Blue Origin news, the news that Starlink has a second competitor, Blue Origin, Jeff Bezos major players. Well what does that do for AST Space Mobile? The stock is up 14% today and it's up 24% over the last five days, 35% over the last month and 100%.

11:04

Speaker B

SaaS Mobile can't keep going. There's no way.

11:28

Speaker A

Over the last six months Elon also gave some timelines for Optimus humanoid robots at the World Economic Forum. He said by the end of next year we will be selling humanoid robots to the public. To the public, not just enterprises. You're going to be able to just buy one of these the way you buy a Cybertruck or a Model S plaid. That is a very, very aggressive timeline. But he does, he has been buying the parts to actually manufacture them. And you know what is selling to the public mean? Does it mean 1,000 deliveries, 10,000 deliveries.

11:30

Speaker B

Having an Opt Optimus that is Just on staff here that can just go hit. Like if I can hit a button and have the Optimus hit the gong physically, that would be fantastic.

12:02

Speaker A

Yeah, priceless. Really.

12:12

Speaker B

Yeah, priceless. There's really no amount of money that we wouldn't pay to be able to get that kind of experience here in the Ultra Dome.

12:13

Speaker A

We've seen Boston Dynamics, we've seen with the Chinese humanoid companies. You can do cool things with these with 1x and whatnot. Even if it's tele operated, even if it's prescripted like there, there are. The technology does work. It's more just like how impactful will it be? How expensive is it? How reliable is it? Is the battery one hour?

12:20

Speaker B

Has he. Has he spoken about teleoperation?

12:41

Speaker A

No, I don't.

12:44

Speaker B

Seems like he'd just be generally against it.

12:45

Speaker A

Yeah, I mean, on principle, I know that. Don't the Tesla Robotaxis do some teleoperation? I think in the test zones there was like the ability to take over on that early demo. So I don't think he's dogmatic about it, but he certainly is. You know, if you're against lidar, you.

12:47

Speaker B

Got to be against Tragically Sane says robots replacing humans hitting the gong. Okay, nevermind, shut it down.

13:01

Speaker A

I'm full luddite now. Let's move on to this clip from Satya Nadella at the all in AI Summit.

13:07

Speaker E

Best line, I would say for PCs or computers was to say if you. It's a bicycle for the mind. Bill had a line which I liked as well, which was it's information at your fingertips. We kind of need now a new concept metaphor for how we use computers in the AI age.

13:15

Speaker A

You have one and the one I.

13:33

Speaker E

Like actually came from the CEO of Notion, which I like. You know that manager of incredible product.

13:34

Speaker D

Yeah.

13:39

Speaker A

You haven't bought it yet.

13:39

Speaker E

But it's both management. Basically a manager of Infinite Minds. That's a nice way to think about it.

13:42

Speaker A

Right.

13:51

Speaker E

If you remember, Jobs had the best line, I would say for vcs.

13:51

Speaker A

The manager of Infinite Minds.

13:55

Speaker B

How many minds are you managing, Tyler, right now?

13:56

Speaker F

Right now it's probably like four, because I have every LLM actively running.

13:59

Speaker B

You got to get those numbers up.

14:05

Speaker F

Yeah, I've never really used multiple cloud instances yet.

14:06

Speaker A

Okay. Yeah, it is interesting. The Manager of Infinite Minds concept, obviously that essay from Ivan, CEO of Notion, it went viral over the holidays. I think a lot of people in tech read it. Having Satya Nadella there just further popularize that concept, bake it down into a repeatable phrase. That can prepare people for what's coming, adapt. That is valuable, and that's what we're seeing here anyway.

14:10

Speaker B

It'll feel like you're playing Starcraft now. I like the star managing. The Starcraft analogy is real. Zerg Army. Let's pull up this video that was posted by the New York Times podcast. John Karamica posted this video yesterday. Somebody sent it to me and I was so confused because there's only about 100 of these rugbys out out in the world. And we kind of knew exact. We kind of like everybody on the team, like, kind of sent them out.

14:35

Speaker A

Yeah.

15:02

Speaker B

So I was. I first thought this video was AI generated.

15:02

Speaker A

It did, and it's about AI so let's play the video. Okay. So, yeah, it's about Bruno Mars. And I don't know if we can scroll back to the beginning. Is that possible on Instagram reels if you re post. But yeah, if you zoom in here, he's dancing and the dancing. This part, I was like, maybe this part's AI. But then when he sits down, you can see that he has a. A microphone, a lav mic clipped to his collar. And so everything about this says, this is not AI generated. This is real. And the hand motions are so accurate.

15:04

Speaker B

And they're occluding and he just looks extremely cool.

15:38

Speaker A

Yeah, it's great.

15:41

Speaker B

So Dylan messaged John and we figure out that John accidentally purchased fake TVPN merch online.

15:42

Speaker A

Be careful.

15:52

Speaker B

But at least he's still looking great. Yeah.

15:53

Speaker A

So, yeah, it works.

15:55

Speaker B

Silver lining.

15:57

Speaker A

But yeah, I mean, our saga to battle the fraudulent merch, the knockoff merch, has been incredible. This site popped up and we assumed, okay, they're not going to take payments, certainly they're definitely not going to print and ship anything, and we'll be able to get this taken down in two seconds. And we. I actually sent them an email saying, like, hey, hey, like, I assume you're a fan. Like, just so you know, like, we don't want to this out there. Like, I'd be happy to talk to you about maybe working together or something, but can you please just not use our brand and our trademarks and all this stuff out there on the Internet without. Without talking to us first. Like, let's have a conversation about this. Did not get a response.

15:57

Speaker B

Not a fan.

16:39

Speaker A

And I think some other people on the team were like, yeah, John, that was never going to work. And they were right.

16:40

Speaker B

And you tried to go golden retriever.

16:45

Speaker A

I did, I did. I was like, I'm going to I'm just going to assume the best I'm just going to assume this an overeager fan or someone who just this entrepreneurial kid who's just trying to just now.

16:47

Speaker B

This is a Canadian. We know it's a Canadian.

16:57

Speaker A

We know it's a Canadian.

16:59

Speaker B

This is a Canadian.

17:00

Speaker A

Anything could happen up there.

17:01

Speaker B

We need a Dodd in the chat says you guys have a good line to Shopify. Assume most of them are hosted there.

17:02

Speaker A

No, they keep finding a way and at this point they are in fact taking people's money and shipping fake product now and fooling people that are discerning.

17:06

Speaker B

And apparently it smells kind of funny which is a big which is an issue. The real merch is coming.

17:16

Speaker A

The real merch is coming.

17:23

Speaker B

We do have sampling a bunch of.

17:24

Speaker A

Different stores of course Shopify we need.

17:26

Speaker F

To put out like a Maduro style bounty.

17:29

Speaker A

Private credit investors Cortisol has been spiking because they are cashing out in droves. Redemptions by individual investors in funds soared at the end of 2025 after performance declined, reviving questions about suitability. This is from Matt Wirz in the Wall Street Journal. He says for the first time since the start of the private credit boom, large numbers of individual investors are trying to get their money out. Several of the big funds eligible individuals receive requests from about 5% of shareholders to cash out at the end of last year, well above the normal volume, According to the SEC. One managed by Blue Owl got redemptions for about 15% of its shares. The rising redemptions come at an awkward time for private credit fund managers, for the Trump and for the Trump administration as they push for new rules that would democratize private markets by encouraging their inclusion in 401k retirement plans for all Americans. Private fund managers, including Apollo Global and Blue Owl, blame fear mongering about a recent spate of corporate bankruptcies. This is the whole cockroaches back and forth with Jamie Dimon and some of the folks in the private credit world. Blackstone, Apollo, Blue Owl. Individual investors are falling into a similar pattern, a familiar pattern of selling out when an asset class underperforms expectations. These investors got really surprised when their dividends went down. The business development companies, they typically make high interest loans to mid sized corporations with junk credit ratings, using the interest income from those loans to pay dividends. A handful of these funds have cut dividends because the yield on their loans are falling in lockstep with benchmark interest rates for more dividend reductions will follow, Dodd said, likely prompting more redemptions. Total returns from five of the large, largest private credit funds aimed at individual investors declined to an average of about 6.22% in the first nine months of 2025, compared with 8.76% in the same period 2024 Breaking SpaceX is set to hire bank of America, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley to lead its IPO. That's a whole host of murderers. The IPO is expected to be valued as much as 1.5 trillion, making it the largest IPO in history. But the community notes put it in the true zone because Saudi aramco's IPO in 2019 sported a valuation of 1.7 trillion. Well, there's other news about Anthropic. The revenue run rate for the end of 2025 was 9 billion, up from 4 billion in July 2025. What incredible growth. Iconic Lightspeed and Menlo are set to join the new funding round from techmeme here. This is maybe a deceleration. I was debating this with Tyler. I mean, they went from 100 million to 1 billion. They 10x, then they were going to 10x it again. So everyone was expecting 10 billion and 10x it again landed at 9 on run rate.

17:34

Speaker B

Did they predict 10 billion?

20:23

Speaker A

I don't know. I actually don't know the exact quote. I think Dario was pretty loose about it. He was just saying that, like we've seen. He was saying. Yeah, he was saying we went a full order of magnitude from 100 to a billion. We're going to do a full order of magnitude again. Is it a full order of magnitude to go from one to nine?

20:26

Speaker F

And he said he only expects like.

20:42

Speaker A

You got around three or four more.

20:43

Speaker F

You know, ten X's.

20:45

Speaker A

He said that? No, no, no, no. I specifically remember him saying, like, we cannot keep that level of growth going.

20:46

Speaker F

He said it'd be pretty crazy if that. Yeah, I don't think he said we can't.

20:52

Speaker A

Oh, okay. He said it would be pretty crazy.

20:55

Speaker F

Yeah.

20:57

Speaker A

There is other news from the information. Amir says that Anthropic's inference costs on Google and Amazon servers were 23% higher than the company projected. Of course, when you're growing so fast, you're probably willing to pay more for inference just to make sure that everything.

20:57

Speaker B

Stays online better to service the demand and not get that frustration, people hitting rate limits, et cetera.

21:16

Speaker F

Yeah, I think later in the summer there was a lot of news about how the Anthropic API is always down for issues.

21:23

Speaker A

Yeah, there was that. And then there were also some FUD type articles about negative gross margins about margins being really, really bad at these lab where's the value accruing? Is it all going to accrue to Nvidia? Last month Anthropic projected it would generate around 40% gross margins from selling AI to businesses and application developers. But I think that gross margin came in a little bit lower. But there is so much more that they can do to optimize. They're buying TPUs now, they're going to build new data centers. And also it does feel like we're going to enter a world where inference is load balanced across a variety of semiconductor stacks. And so for really fast things you might be going to a Grok or a Cerebras or you might. For more basic stuff you might be going to a legacy model that's cheaper to inference and all of that might be blended together into something that's more profitable.

21:30

Speaker B

Apparently Google DeepMind is signing a licensing deal. It really is a licensing deal economy that we're in. Last year was the press release economy, this year very, very much the licensing deal economy. Hume AI which builds an emotionally intelligent voice interfaces and they're going to hire CEO Alan Cohen and seven of their engineers.

22:27

Speaker A

I never thought of Google as particularly behind in voice interfaces. Certainly it's an important part of the stack if you have an app that that people are chatting with and talking to. Obviously NotebookLM was sort of a viral success, but I do really wonder about the longevity and the retention.

22:51

Speaker B

News from Sam Altman. He shared today we have added more than 1 billion of ARR in the last month just from our API business. People think of US mostly as ChatGPT, but the API team is doing amazing work.

23:14

Speaker A

That's fantastic. I mean we saw they just did a huge deal with ServiceNow. They're definitely cooking. They've been cooking for a long time. They have an enterprise go to market motion that's definitely working and somewhat disconnected from whatever the hot story of the week is.

23:25

Speaker B

People are pretty funny in the comments going brother 1 billion of ARR at a 5 billion valuation. You're going to need to make that MRR. Obviously this person misread HOJ which is a added 1 billion in the last month. The rumor Google is spinning out the TPU team into a separate entity under Alphabet umbrella to sell hardware to third parties directly. It could happen.

23:40

Speaker A

Someone calls it a cross chain atomic swap Waymo.

24:03

Speaker B

It's like did they need to raise money at the Waymo level? Right. Sometimes it's helpful for a company to.

24:06

Speaker A

Have its own Alphabet structuring and how they report out earnings and whatnot. Apple is revamping Siri as a built in iPhone Mac and Chatbot to fend off OpenAI. And there's an image here. What is this? The Gemini Google. Google Gemini AI chatbot on a Galaxy S25 Ultra smartphone. So Apple plans to revamp Siri later this year by turning the digital assistant into the company's first artificial intelligence chatbot, thrusting the iPhone maker into a generative AI race dominated by OpenAI and Google. The chatbot, codenamed Campos, will be embedded deeply into the iPhone, iPad and Mac operating systems and replace the current Siri interface. According to people familiar with the plan. Users will be able to summon the new service the same way they open Siri now, by speaking the Siri command or holding down the side button of their iPhone or iPad. The new approach will go well beyond the capabilities of current Siri for even a long promised update that's coming earlier in 2026 today.

24:14

Speaker B

John, say Siri again really loud, clearly, for anybody that's watching on their TV at home or in their office.

25:14

Speaker A

The feature is a central piece of Apple's turnaround plan for the AI market, where it has lagged behind Silicon Valley peers. The Apple intelligence platform had a Rocky rollout in 2024 with features that were underwhelming or slow to arrive. Campos, which will have both voice and typing based models. Tyler, what's that sound like typing? You're going to be able to type to Siri back and forth. Let's go.

25:22

Speaker F

Wait, can you type to Siri?

25:44

Speaker A

No.

25:46

Speaker F

Right now you can't.

25:46

Speaker A

I thought it opens a little.

25:47

Speaker F

I haven't used it yet.

25:48

Speaker A

Maybe, but you don't have an app. You don't have a place to store all your content conversations, which was my take. Embracing the Chatbot approach represents a strategic shift for Apple, which has long downplayed the conversational AI tools popularized by OpenAI. Google and Microsoft executives have argued that users prefer having AI woven directly into features, something Apple has done with its writing tools, Genmoji emoji generator and notification summaries rather than standalone, standalone chat experiences. That's not, that's not an unreasonable take. And in the long term, I wouldn't be surprised if the AI woven in the features like the AI that's in the Photos app is better than, okay, I gotta open up the chat app and ask it to edit this photo and import the photo from my photo. Like, no, you just want to be able to go into the Photos app, have the, you know, change the color Temperature, change the brightness, draw on it, add text and then also have AI features in there, I would imagine. So I am bullish on Apple diffusing AI into all the other apps.

25:49

Speaker B

We have some breaking news. Yes, breaking news is without further ado. Brex has been acquired by Capital One. Hit that gong. $5 billion. Boom. Wrong. Wrong header there, boys. Yeah. So Capital1 strikes 5.15 billion deal for FinTech. Brex deal would give credit card issuer access to technology used by thousands of companies for corporate credit cards.

26:44

Speaker A

Interesting, interesting.

27:12

Speaker B

Brex of course was valued at $12.3 billion in 2022. They hadn't raised in a while outside of, I believe, a debt facility. But anyways, I think this deal makes a lot of sense. $5.15 billion in cash in stock in a deal that gave the card issue more firepower with corporate clients. Brax, founded nearly a decade ago, offers corporate credit cards, expenses and rewards. It also oversees nearly 13 billion in deposits held at partner banks and money market funds. Acquisition comes at a key moment in the payment world as fintech and crypto firms threaten to siphon business away from banks. Capital one with roughly 670 billion in assets. Not bad, obviously. Acquired Discover Last year for 35 billion paribus, you know. No way.

27:13

Speaker A

Yeah.

28:00

Speaker B

Capital One Crazy.

28:00

Speaker A

Eric Gliman and Karim Matiah's previous.

28:01

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah, I knew that but I.

28:04

Speaker A

Didn'T put together brief stint at Capital One. Love to hear it. Thank you so much for taking this time to come on the show and explain all of that. A very wide ranging conversation. I love the history and the personal story and everything that you're doing. So thank you so much for taking time out of your busy day. Come chat with a bunch of people with a funny soundboard. We will see you later. Hopefully. Hopefully we made a good impression and you will be back soon.

28:06

Speaker B

Now I know why you're famous.

28:30

Speaker A

Thank you so much. Bye bye. Goodbye. Have a great day. Oh, that was amazing. Plaid Plaid powers the apps you use to spend, save, borrow and invest securely connecting bank accounts to move money, fight fraud and improve lending. Now with AI, go and check it.

28:32

Speaker B

I couldn't keep it together. The chat the whole time.

28:57

Speaker A

I know the chat was going to say I could.

28:59

Speaker B

I literally, I was fighting for my life.

29:03

Speaker A

Oh my God.

29:04

Speaker B

Every time I look up at the screen, I was just trying to.

29:06

Speaker A

I know, I know. It was just wall to wall flashbang and I'm just trying to hold it together. I love, I love you guys. Chat. I love you. But also you make the job a little difficult. Sometimes I look at my phone, I have a hundred notifications, I assume as people texting me pull the flashback. And also, by the way, I can't. I can't trigger the flashback.

29:08

Speaker D

Bang.

29:29

Speaker A

That's Jordy exclusive.

29:29

Speaker B

I think that's it.

29:31

Speaker A

Yeah, that's it.

29:32

Speaker B

I think that's it. The concerning thing is the chat knows that now they can just say start spamming flashbang into the chat. And I'm not gonna be able to keep it together.

29:32

Speaker A

Nope.

29:43

Speaker B

We hope you have a wonderful evening.

29:43

Speaker A

Tomorrow, 11am Pacific sharp.

29:45

Speaker B

We love you.

29:47

Speaker A

Goodbye. Goodbye.

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