SC EP:1211 Encountering The Others

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw was. I've been wondering what he was putting. He is quite deep. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? It's not a little bit. It's about six foot nine. I don't know. Easy amount, sir? Yes, the book is right here. Uh. This is Mr. Rogers from Phoenix, Arizona and the only podcast we listen to in my neighborhood is Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be chatting with Max. And Max is a member of Sasquatch Chronicles. I was streaming a live show during Thanksgiving with Brent Thomas from the paranormal portal. And Max had joined the stream. He gave kind of a brief summary of what happened to him and his family during this period of time and his life. And I really wanted to hear the rest of it. I wanted to hear the whole thing. And I reached out to Max and asked him to share this period of his life of what him and his family went through. And I'll let Max go into what happened to him. I know there's not much there in the description but you just have to hear this whole thing. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Max to the show. A Max thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. Thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here and sharing the whole event that happened to you and your family. And I wanted to ask you this during the livestream. Was there anything that happened at the house prior to this strangeness appearing? Well, not specifically. No, I can say that times were going through some kind of tricky tough times. I'd lost my grandmother a year, literally 12 months earlier. I mean, the thing is I'd been in denial about a lot of things. And I realized there's a lot I learned about myself through this whole bunch of experiences. And one of the things didn't really hit home until much later on is that I lived in a house in 2011. I'd moved into a three-story house by myself, rented a room upstairs, where there was clearly something not right in that house. And that progressed into what turned out to be some pretty scary polka-guys' activity there. But I never, because at the time I was so good at just denying it, instead of being fast-ly stubborn and saying, no, I didn't want to accept it. I didn't want to believe it, even though it was pretty damn clear. I got to the point where I just put it to the back of my mind, moved on with life. There was a lot going on. And I never put two and two together because I didn't correlate the two. I didn't realize when it was all happening. Like you just said, there's definitely something going on. When whatever box you want to put these things in, it doesn't quite fit. And I've thought about this over and over the years many, many times. And the way I've put it to myself is it's one of three things. Either if these things are, if these whatever you want to call them, UAP UFOs, if these things are extraterrestrial, maybe, maybe, if it's technology that these things use, maybe it affects space-time around them. Maybe there's a residual effect. That's one thing I'd considered. And for a time that was my preference to try to believe that that must be the answer, because I couldn't make sense of it. Because I can say with what happened here, our neighbor was affected as well. And we didn't learn of that for seven years. We didn't speak to each other about what had happened. And it came out a couple of years ago in the garden having a barbecue. The other neighbor on the other side, because we live in a terrorist road, how's alongside each other. On the other side, she moved out pretty about maybe four months after what happened here began. The other possibility is that, I don't know, it's either that the technology causes some residual effect and affect space-time. And if that's true, then are we classing these, what would you call them? Ghosts, the polar guy's activity, that kind of thing. Could it be that we're messing with the dimensions and things are being all messed up? And then we experience them and call them ghosts, who knows, or, or, the thing that scares me the most to the bone, that really bothered me. And this is the one that kept me awake so much, is that they are what we have traditionally called angels and demons. And that in our modern technological lifestyle of today, we are seeing them and thinking of them as extra-terrestrial from another planet. And if they're not, then that's the most scary thought of all, because, which is what had me run to the priest for help, because I didn't know where else to turn. I couldn't make sense of the initial night experience, which seemed so, I struggled with the words to find, it was almost an angelic experience. Why then would it turn dark? Why then did it feel as if we had this negative, almost demonic infestation, a one of a better word? And I didn't know who else to ask. I literally went to the cathedral to ask that question. If somebody was visited by an angel, would that open the door to something dark thereafter? That's what I needed. I didn't know how else to ask it, or how else to make sense of it, but it took me years to get to that point, where I no longer believed that these, whatever the object was, that called me outside that night. I no longer believed that it was just simply extra-terrestrial from another planet. There is another option. Maybe it is. And maybe they want us to see them, or revere them, as if they are what we call angels. Maybe that's an option too, or maybe something else who knows. But the frustration of not having these answers is what took me so many years to come to terms with, to be okay with. So I'm okay with it now. I'm just left with the questions. And no answers. It's frustrating. See the least. Yeah, it's frustrating when something extraordinary happens in your life, and you have no answers. If you would, would you start from the very beginning, when did this happen, and walk us into what happened, and take your time? Yeah, thank you. So in roughly October, late September, early October of 2014, we had been living, we'd moved into this house one year earlier, October, 2013. And one night I'd gone to bed, about 11 o'clock, and I didn't realize that while I was sleeping, my teenage daughter, she was 17 at the time, and her best friend from school, who happened to be our next door neighbor's daughter. They'd been at the front of the house, and she told me, told me the next day that they'd watched these balls of light, not high up, not very high up, but silent, making formations, pans, and that they would be reformed different colors, and that they had shot off really fast, and she didn't know what they were. I didn't know noise. She said she wanted to wake me up and tell me, but she chose not to. I didn't know what to make of it. I was never into any of this stuff before, so I was too busy doing what I was doing in my life. And the next night, I was trying to finish off a project of website I was building, so I was up quite late, and I went into the back garden to smoke before I went to bed. A couple of minutes before 4am, and it was cold. I had my coat on, and I'm sitting looking at the beautiful stars. I remember I was looking up at the play of these, the seven sisters. By the way, there was not a cloud in the sky. It was absolutely cloudless. Crystal clear, one of those beautiful starry nights. I was thinking of my grandma at the time. There was a double flash of white light that lit the sky up, and I thought, as you would, that it must just be lightning or something. From a distance, when I look around, realizing, well, there's no humidity, there's no clouds whatsoever. And just as I was thinking that, there was another double flash of pure white light. But it seemed to be emanating from above me stronger this time, so I look up straight up above me. And these two balls of pure white light, very, again, low in the sky. These weren't up in the atmosphere. Maybe a hundred feet up, something like that. They were traveling side by side from behind my position over my head, silently. And then they made a shocking bright angle left turn, and just instantaneously just shut off so fast they left almost visible trace lines, like trails behind them. And it was just absolutely stunning and bizarre. So I've run through the house, hoping to see more, but the speed that they went, it was so damn fast. They weren't visible. So I stood around for a couple of minutes thinking, wow, that was incredible. It must have been what my daughter had seen the night before. And I checked my phone. It was 11 minutes past 4 in the morning. And I thought, well, I'll tell her that's, you know, I saw them at 4.11. And at this point, I'm ready for bed. I didn't expect to see anything else. So I've come in the house, locked the door, and gone to walk up the steps to go to bed. That was my full intention. And as I've put my foot on the second or third step, all of the hell on the back of my neck went up. And the most intense and unique and strange situation happened. This really tricky to put into words was, I had an instruction that was not in words. It wasn't a voice. It was instantaneous. It was powerful enough to stop me in my tracks and shock me because I recognized that it wasn't from my thoughts. It wasn't coming from me. It was instantly recognizable as something came into my conscious mind and told me to don't close the door, go outside and look up. And with curiosity and shock, I turn around. I opened that front door. And as I stepped out and looked up, a most beautiful golden, hazmerey, easily 30 foot in diameter object moved out silently from over the roof of the house and stuck just above me. Now, I just said all of this happened at once that I became aware of ultra silence, absolute vacuum silence. There was an instantaneous feeling of love and real, really intimate and strange feeling of being observed, being watched, but also of static electricity. I could only hear myself breathe. I was in complete shock and all of this thing. It was the shape it had was like a spinning top. Like if you took a horizontal diamond shape, but coming from emanating from the center vertically above and below it, there were shards of light that were extending and attracting. And around the edging was more golden, tinge towards the edges, and very hazy as well. Like a white haze, but almost like slow motion, golden waves of plasma, basically like fire. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. And I'm just completely gobsmacked looking up at this thing. I become aware of the absolute silence. Like I've never had such silence heard nothingness like that before. And the feeling of love was shocking because it was instant and it brought tears to my eyes, but it was like the kind of love that you get for parents out there. When your child is born, it's the only time I've ever felt that before. You know, just a joyous love. The electricity was overwhelming. And so I'm looking up at this thing and shock and awe. And I waved it at some reason I didn't know what else to do is it felt so. So I don't know what the words are to find here. It just felt so where I was just shocking. And I'm having these tingles of what felt like electricity racing up my spine over my scalp up and down. And all of the hair on my body was on end. And I looked down at my left forearm expecting to see the hair on end, realizing my coats on and I'm not going to see it. And that's when my logical brain started to kick in because I started to think hold on this can't be safe with the electricity. There was so much charge in the air that I thought I'm going to get some sort of discharge. I could this could be dangerous. And I quickly started to think I should run inside, get someone wake someone up come running back down. I thought it would be gone by then. Just like a idiot, I looked around at all the other houses hoping there'd be some movement, something a neighbor awake or nobody. I considered screaming shouting into the house to get someone's attention. None of it felt appropriate. And that's when I realized, I've got my phone in my my coat pocket, my top left breast coat pocket. And it was the very moment that I thought of getting my phone. And this was a rubbish phone. I mean, we talked, I remember it was a push button Nokia one from 2011. And I think it had like 10 pixels by 10 pixels recording capability would have been pretty rubbish. But the moment I thought about my phone, it's as if I felt as if it knew what I was thinking. I felt that I really made this extremely profound situation shallow. And it immediately moved, started to move to my left. So I realized I'd messed up. I felt like I'd messed this up by thinking about doing something like that. And I, no, no, no, I didn't want it to go. I started to walk under it. It was gliding silently. Maybe only 80 feet to 100 feet tops above me. And it starts to speed up and speed up as it moves silently. It was so beautiful. About 70 or 80 feet down the road, it curves to the right and it starts to now raise up as it's speeding up. So I was jogging after it. And then I thought, no, there's no point. It's obviously leaving. And I say there wasn't a cloud in the sky. So I decided to just take it all in with my eyes because this thing was absolutely beautiful. It was unbelievably beautiful. So I just stay back and watch it as it's sped up and went up, up, up, up, up, up into the stars, into the concealer anymore. It was gone up in the atmosphere. I wanted back in the house and I didn't realize just how much, how shocked how much shock I was in basically. I've never been in shock like that. I couldn't believe it. But yet it happened. It was real. And that's the bit I couldn't, I just couldn't accept it. But I knew it just happened. So I believe that's what causes the shock, right? And I knew my girlfriend was going to wake up soon. And I had a clock on the kitchen wall where there is one now, as you can see. And I remember specifically, I was leaning up against the kitchen side there. And I just happened to realize that the dawn was breaking. And there was a little time missing because it made no doubt since I was under that thing for what seemed like only a minute or two. And yet I knew it was four, 11 minutes past four when I came into the house and it only took a few seconds for that whole thing to happen and me step outside under it. And yet it was now something like 10 to 5. So I'm missing some time. But even that I denied to myself for the longest time. I just locked it down like no, not happening. My girlfriend woke up. She had to work early that morning. And when she came downstairs, I tried to tell her what had happened. And just I couldn't speak. I just lost the power of speech and I broke down complete and utter traumatic kind of shock I was in. And being the good woman, she is, she just hugged me. She knew something was very, very wrong. I remember laying in bed. Some was now up and I still had the scalp tingles. Like the electricity that was in the air, whether it was up and down my spine over my scalp. And I was absolutely elated because it just completely changed my world. It was the most shocking yet life changing experience I could ever have because how can this thing be real? It's obviously not something normal. I just was, my mind was blown. Max, can I ask you before you go on? So you first see these balls of light your daughter had described to you. And then you see this craft what fascinates me about the way you describe it. I set across from Travis Walton. They made the movie The Fire in the Sky after him. And I can tell you from my interview, just from sitting across from Travis, I believe everything that he says happened actually happened. Prior to hitting him with that beam of light, he describes it as one of the most beautiful things he had ever seen. Do you think the balls of light and the craft were related? It was kind of all one and the same. So recently, and since all of that, I went down some serious rabbit holes. And I, there's been a few reports I've heard where people have seen, for example, objects materializing around these balls of light. I don't know what they are. I've also, I spoke much later on years later, years later. I spoke with Chris Bladson, and he was the first person to, he told me that they're not ETs. He said that these things are your loved ones. He said these things are angels and they are your loved ones. The balls of light. And he showed me some images. Really, I didn't, I'm someone, I think it would be a good idea for me personally. What I prefer to do is I won't put all of my exam on basket. I won't say that it's X or Y because I have no idea. All I can say is what happened. And I don't like to, I mean, I can throw guesses out, but I don't like to personally for myself. I don't want to be wrong. Yeah, I get it. I get what you're trying to say. And I respect it. You know, the other thing in your account that really hit me was the whole mind speak thing. And you'll hear it in Sasquatch encounters. You'll hear it in Poltergeist encounters. You'll hear it in Alien encounters. And specifically with Sasquatch, I'll ask people, was it like someone else's voice? Is that what you heard? And I can tell you the majority of people will say no, that's not what it was like. It was like an overwhelming idea put in their head. It was something that they didn't come up with. It was a thought. And I find it fascinating. That's how you describe it. So you come in and it sounds like you have a good woman, man. You gotta hang on to the good ones. But what kind of happens next? Yeah, she's a good person. She's a great girl. The next night, it came back. But it was the night after when it came back at a distance, the best thing for me was that she was with me. And it was the biggest relief, the biggest relief because ultimately, I can understand that people would struggle. Why should they care to believe this stuff? I wouldn't have believed it myself if it hadn't have happened to me, right? But what did matter and what does matter to me is that your loved ones, the people you care about, that they know that that's what meant the world to me. So the next night, I told her when she got back from work that day. So I went to bed. It took me hours to go to sleep because my mind was racing. I was trying to figure it out. But the next night, she said, shit, wake up. And I was staying up on purpose. Oh, it would come back because I needed her to see it so that I knew I wasn't crazy as well. She said, shit, wake up. If I call her, but I'd gone from the back of the garden to the front of the house. And I was pacing back and forward, back and forward, praying this thing would come back. And at one point, a little later on, because I remember the dawn was broken and the blue was coming into the sky at this point. I'm at the front of the house and suddenly to the right, there are some three story houses. There may be, I'd say a hundred feet away, maybe 120 feet. And this thing suddenly comes into view again about 80 feet up, maybe a hundred feet up. And the moment I saw it just wow, it glides along silently and just passes over the top of these three story houses. And I'm just mesmerized instantaneously. I'm like, watch, it's back. And then I thought these people are asleep in their beds, not realizing that right over their beds, this thing, whatever it is, is passing over. And so I grabbed my phone and calling her now. And I never forget, because it was so frustrating. She was like, oh, hey, one too tired. I'm like, baby, baby, it's back. You've got to come downstairs. And she wasn't interested in getting out of bed. And while this I'm on the phone to her, the thing does us really strange that left hand, like 90 degree instantaneous turn and passes from my right in front of me. That's the point I'm on the phone to her and then start speed up, curves up and heads up into the sky there. And I could only watch and take it in again with my eyes. It was such a beautiful sight to behold. But I was really frustrated now because she didn't want to wake up and come down. It was the third night. And she had promised that what should do is she'd go to bed super early. So she could get enough sleep. And I was going to stay up again in the hopes that it would come back again. I'd lost. I didn't think. I didn't know what was happening to us, but I thought there would maybe come back. I was hoping it would come back. So she's in the kitchen. She wakes up at 3 a.m. Just specifically to hope that she can see it. And my daughter had come woken up to. And she was stirring her coffee over there in the kitchen. And I was in the back garden at the time. And I just happened to look now in the opposite direction and caught it coming down from really high in the sky. But it came down really sharp, not straight down vertically. And just stopped. But it was now maybe three, maybe 300 feet away at a distance now. But again, the moment you lay eyes on this thing, the luminosity is unique. The type of light is unique. It moves uniquely. It's not something you mistakenly identify. It's just too bizarre. And it just stopped. And I called her out and she runs outside into the garden. And the moment she sees it, I felt a ton of weight off my shoulders because she instantly was just, wow, she couldn't believe what she was seeing. It sat there for maybe six, seven seconds. Absolutely stationary and silent. And then instantaneously took off without any speeding up. It just went from zero to whatever speed just zipped lined up in that direction out of sight over the roof tops we couldn't see it. And I just was so relieved. So now she's seen it with me. And it was just fantastic basically such a relief. But it's, it's, it's what happened after that is where things, because I feel bad almost because she had to experience these things as well. Because at this point, it was just a beautiful, a beautiful experience with an object that was stunning to look at. For me, it was the personal ultra personal part of it. The fact that, as you said earlier, when it people of it described mind speak. That's the bit that's quite how do you want to look at it? It's beautiful, but terrifying at the same time. Because if these things, whatever they are, can come into your sacred space of your mind and give you instructions and communicate with you. Well, number one, it means we're capable of at least receiving information that way, which in itself is absolutely a beautiful thing. But it's also pretty damn scary, right? Because your mind is, is it really your own? How much sovereignty do you have over your own thoughts if these things can do that? And it leads to all kinds of questions. I hear people being, you know, demonically possessed and things like that. It makes you wonder. Because I can tell you from that experience that it was recognizable as instantaneously. It was such a unique experience of having something come into my mind that you recognize is not coming from within you. That in itself was absolutely bizarre. But I knew instantly that something had just come from outside my conscious thoughts into my mind. But the way it happened for me was almost a physical feeling. Because it was instantaneous and it was perfect. It was my mind that had to, because I have to explain what the instruction was, I put it into words, but it was perfect and instant. And so words are like an archaic way that we communicate, but the fact that it proves that we're capable of receiving at least instantaneous information. And that we have developed from childhood, we learn to make sounds to communicate. But it leads to all kinds of questions and possibilities still in them. But yeah, I thought for me, those three nights having my girlfriend with me to see it, I was completely happy now. Now, you know, it seemed to have been a really beautiful experience. It seemed to be all good. And then things got weird. Weird at first and then turned not nice. And I wasn't expecting that. I didn't expect anything more to happen. It was amazing that the thing had come back in the area three times in a row. And I just thought I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And it just happened to move in to check me out, or maybe the right place at the right time, whichever way you want to put it. And I just happened to be there when it was around. Later on, by the way, I must say later on, it turns out that there were other people in this neighborhood that saw these falls of light. So it wasn't just me. It wasn't just my door and I neighbor's daughter. So anyway, about about two, three, four weeks had passed. And I am driving to a shop one night. At the back of our house is a road with, you know, a 40-mile-hour road with lots of ground about a couple of miles long. So I'm heading down that way. And it's nighttime. And just as I approached this roundabout, I noticed something up to my left, not high in the sky, but something that definitely shouldn't be there. It just didn't make any sense. Was a really big ball of red light. As odd as that sounds. Which is what I was thinking. It didn't make any sense. And I looked at it twice and thought, what is that? Because I know this area really well, lived here for many years. And before we moved in here at the time this happened, I'd lived across the road as a small child. And I knew that where this ball of light was, there was nothing back there. There was a one-story car showroom. And then you have train tracks. And there isn't anything above one-story high. There were some high-tension power lines. And this thing was just above the high-tension power cables. So I knew that I went round around about and pulled in so that my car's facing pretty much facing this light. And I'm just staring at it thinking, what is that? It didn't make any sense. It didn't seem to be an object like what was over the house. And as I'm looking at it, I figured I'm going to get out and take a closer look. So I get out my driver's side. I just keep looking at it thinking, what the hell is it? About 20 feet above the high-tension power lines. And as I thought this time, I'm going to get my phone out of my coat, which is on the passenger seat. I keep staring at the thing, I reach in, I get my coat out, I get my phone in my hand. And as I put the phone up and turn it on, the thing just blinks up. Just gone, like somebody turned off a life switch. And I just realized it must be something to do with what had happened a few weeks earlier. I couldn't explain it any other way. And just carried on with my journey, told, I go off from when I got home, how strange that was. And then we just carried on with our lives, right? Until maybe another three, four, five weeks had passed. All of that stuff after three, four, five weeks, you don't expect anything more to happen. I didn't think anything would ever kept it to ourselves. We were out in the back garden, and we were going to go to bed about 11 o'clock. We were in the middle of a conversation, and as to my right, I go off from. And just, I can't remember what we're talking about, but it was nothing, but it's just a normal conversation. And that feeling that it happened on the stairs, where the hell on the back of the next stood up. And the feeling of being under that object, which was a very, like a feeling of being watched, it's very, very strong. Suddenly happened. And to the point where both of us were looking at each other, and she looked freaked out, and I felt the electricity in the air. The feeling was this time definitely not a nice one. We felt this dreaded fear, a bone-chilling, kind of horrible negative feeling. And all of a sudden, we were aware that there's no sound. All of the normal background sounds just disappeared. It was absolute vacuum slides. And from our position, we're looking at our back garden wall, our fence line. The fence pad, because I've boarded it up after this happened, because it freaked us out so bad. But the fence line had planks and wood, but for every plank, there was a space, so you could just see straight through. And because the road behind it had these powerful street lights, you could see straight through. And all of a sudden, from both sides of the fence line, and which is why I contacted you in the first place, where's about this, because I couldn't make sense of this party, though. It's suddenly something very, very, very heavy. By peedle, you could tell the way that it walked, boom, boom, boom, boom. Almost filled a ground shake from it. Both sides walked towards the center, dead in front of us. At this point, she's ran into the house and slammed the door, can fear. But I was frozen solid to the chair, I couldn't move. It was really strange. I've never been frozen with fear in my life. I was freaked out. And this, whatever these things are, they're invisible, because I'm staring straight at the fence line looking for what's walking towards us. And I can't see any. There's nothing there. And then as if it's walked straight through the damn fence, this thing, boom, boom, boom, but at least one of them has walked straight up towards me. And I truly believed that I was about to be ripped apart. That's how it felt. The fear was unreal. And they made me mad. So I created my teeth and yelled, because I just felt like something out of a horror film out of a nightmare was somehow come through to real life. And I got mad and grit my teeth and come on, do it. Nothing happened. I heard her behind me looking out through the window. And I was frozen solid and all of a sudden, as quick as it began, all of the normal background sounds came back. The feeling of being watched across the phobic feeling, that dread, all of it kind of dissipated and lifted. Things felt normal again. Nothing had walked away. And I sat there for maybe the seconds to gain my composure and walked over to the fence, looked around. Everything seemed normal. And I wished to God I had looked up. I wished I had looked up. I never thought to look around. And that scared the hell out of both of us, because it was just so, that was, I just don't understand. I don't know why, what the hell was that. And as many years later, is when I came across one of your podcasts shows, and that's what resonated with me was listening to somebody explaining the science, which immediately when I heard that I had no idea that this happens with a lot of Sasquatch sightings. And I just can't make sense of what, what was that in the garden? And why was it invisible? And how did it walk through the fence? And why did it do it? And as if it was purposely trying to scare the hell out of us, it almost felt like a test of my resolve wanting to find that, maybe like a, felt like a prank. I got, is this some sort of joke? And again, though, in hindsight, I'm glad because I've learned a lot about myself from these things, but that's when it started to turn really, really dark. And there was that, that was a pivotal moment from where it had been beautiful at first. Then that red light was like something neutral. And now it's messing with us. And that's when we then went through her horrific time because we didn't realize that my girlfriend was pregnant at the time that all of this was happening. She was told she couldn't have children. And we'd been together for years. And we didn't know. And the pregnancy around this very time turned dangerous for our little boys now 10. Of course, he made it and she made it through, but we didn't think he would. So that was a shock because she wasn't supposed to be able to have children and she she was pregnant. And we didn't know it when all of this was going on. At the same time that it turned dark, the stuff in the garden happened. We also didn't know for seven years that our neighbor was also experiencing some really scary stuff in our house at the same time that was happening for us. I mean, she's just one brick wall away from us, right? So I have to fast forward to a couple of months had gone past now. And we thought we were going to lose the child, the baby. We were told that he she was not providing enough enough oxygen that he could be born brain damaged. And I had to threaten to sue them if they didn't put him out now because I didn't want to risk it anymore. So they he had to be a C section. Bring him out early way too early. And I was going through hell because I couldn't handle it at the time. At the same time that he spent five weeks in intensive neonatal, NICU neonatal intensive care unit. And he was looking strong all the time so it was making making it through my teenage son who was a strange for me complicated reasons with the mother arrived on my doorstep and announced to move in with us. So there was a lot going on emotionally, say the least. And it was around this time that more began a lot more and it became turned into polo guys type stuff and some scary, scary stuff from there. So my son turns up and he'd been here a couple of days and there were some woods out the back of our house. There's a crematorium over there. But around the back of that crematorium is it's a place a little place called Marum. And it's just you're literally talking about heading into the countryside. So only a couple of farms, couple of houses, but it's just a good few miles of countryside heading towards a place called Stanford. So it's really something I've grown to appreciate about where we where we live here is you just have to cross that road walk down the road five minutes. And once you head past that head row, it's complete isolation. And you do get dog walkers down that way. But I used to head into those woods all the time. I used to record the sounds of birds or like a river and stuff and I'd put it up on YouTube. Just ambient sounds. I used to use it to sleep too. And so I was used to going in there all the time. And I just figured because I hadn't seen my son my 14 year old son for a while. And that would go for a walk and talk and catch up. So that morning, I remember his mid morning, maybe 10, 11 o'clock in the morning. So we walked over there and I was just going to take him across the field into the woods and we'll just have a talk. But as we were walking along, he's to my left and we get to the wood line. It's only a small patch of woods. But like I said, it's isolated there. And there was no one else around. That is difficult to say about this stuff. I'm about to step in and that feeling happened again. It was a dreaded feeling and a feeling of being watched. And as I'm processing this because it was so sudden and powerful that I can still picture, darting around my eyes in the wood line, thinking what in there is a danger that's causing me to feel this. But then my son to my left says something about that what's that feeling I don't like it. And I realized, man, it's not just me that he's feeling it too. Suddenly that feeling of being watched had a really tangible direction to it. It was crazy as that sounds. And so I instantly turn to where I feel I'm being stared at for a minute. And it's up in the sky behind me. And I just instinctively turned, looked up. And as I look up this black cylindrical object, darts behind the only puffy white cloud that's in the sky. It was a big blue sky. It was a cold day. But there were no other clouds and this is really strange because this cloud didn't look normal. It was almost cartoonish. It just was odd. It just didn't, it was out of place. Very, very low, maybe a thousand feet up or so. So the moment I've looked up and seen this thing, it's just moved left behind this cloud. And I'm still staring at the cloud, waiting for something logical to occur. I'm thinking it's got to be a hot air balloon, a plane, fight it, anything normal. But this is the headscrewing part of all of this. It's not normal, but you want it to be. But it clearly isn't. And you go into straight instant denial mode. And I'm staring at this cloud, waiting for something normal to come out the other side. Nothing does. And I can't remember if he said it to me first, whether he said, Dad, did you see that? And I remember saying, yeah, did you see it too? And he said, he struggled with the word cylinder because he said it was like, what did you see? And he said it was like a can. Like, what do you call it? Like a cylinder. And at that moment, the last thing I remember doing is putting my left hand on his right shoulder and saying, we need to get the F out of here. I remember feeling like we need to leave and we need to leave now. It felt like we were in danger. It didn't feel good. And I needed to get the F out of there. And that's the last thing I remember. I've spoken to him a couple of times over the years and asked him if he remembers leaving that field. And it should be clear as day, because we had quite a distance to cover. And it was strange to him like it was to me, because it was almost like a memory that's just been blanked out. Because when I lost him the first time, when it occurred to me that I don't remember leaving the field, he was a bit shocked by it too. Like, no, that's funny enough. No, you come to ask. No, he doesn't remember. I don't remember leaving. And I don't remember the next memory of that day, which is even stranger still, because I should remember coming home through the door. I should remember something. Oh, it's been many years now. But I don't. Not that day. But what happened next was in quick succession. I'd fallen asleep on the sofa. I'd fallen asleep by accident. I'd go off and gone to bed. And I'd fallen asleep with a light sign. And I woke up. This was the only time in my life I've had what? Again, I'm so good at denial. Because for years, I told myself that it was simply sleep paralysis. And that I just must have imagined the sense of something in the room. But it woke me up absolutely scared out of my wits. With a presence to my left of more than one something. There was more than one thing staring at me. It felt like it scared me so much. I couldn't look left to look at it. And I know it got brought up on the show before was something which I, one of those personal things that I hadn't mentioned before, is that I did literally. I was so scared. I called for God. And Jesus, please help me. And I forced myself back to sleep because I was so damn scared. I couldn't look to my left. I somehow managed to get back to sleep. I think it was the next day that we had my baby son was back at the house. And I know that I was in the house by myself with him. And he had just come out of intensive care. So I can kind of place the date for that because he was born March 17th, five weeks in intensive care. And it was his first couple of days back in the house. And so I was in the living room again mid morning. And he was asleep. He was so tiny that I'd rested him on a cushion, a very nice cushion on the sofa. And I was, I remember, sat on the floor. I must have been staring at my phone or something because I wasn't paying attention to anything in the room. And he was asleep. But he woke up with such a scream cry that it made me immediately jump up to pick him up and comfort him because he kind of screamed out as if he was scared or had a nightmare or something. So I picked him up in my arms. And as I turned something caught my attention, something in my eye, my right eye peripheral vision that moved. So I looked over and launched off the ground. I mean, literally my heart skipped a beat. It scared me that much because in the doorway here between the kitchen and the living room, it was exactly halfway up the door frame. So what maybe three and a half feet tall was a dad and oversized head, a skinny arm, and part of his leg sticking out. It was halfway in the doorway kind of leaning ground as if something was, it was peaking in at us. And as I look over to the doorway, I literally launched off the ground. My heart skipped a beat. It scared the living day less out of me. This was something that shouldn't exist. It stood right in my door. And it was halfway up the door frame. So I think it's about three and a half feet tall, but it had a big oversized head and really skinny arms, like an odd physique. But it was semi-transparent. Like it was like a shadow that was not on the wall. It's actually there like you would be stood, but you could semi-seat to it. There was no detail. And the moment I've launched and it's scared out of me, it glided across the room pretty fast out of the back door that was wide open. I, that was the point was I remember that was the point that I literally couldn't take this anymore. I didn't want to, whatever was going on, it was now, it was now so invasive. It was so overwhelming that I wanted nothing to do with this stuff. I didn't want anything to do it. I wanted it to stop. And it's now in my home. This is a whole different ballgame. This isn't something up in the sky. This isn't this is something that's now in my house. And the fact that my little baby boy woke up with the cry that he did, to see if he sent something. I didn't tell my teenage son. I didn't tell him that. I didn't want to freak him out too. Now I remember that it was the next day that I was in the shower. And I didn't know he was in the house, my teenage son. And I, as I was just coming out of the bathroom, he came running up the stairs shouting for me. Like that, that, that. And to the point where I was freaked out because he was so freaked out. What, what's happening? And he said that I was in the living room, doing my hair in the mirror. And there was this, he described the exact same thing. Like this shadow thing that was a person that was behind him, then just glided out the back door. Again, this was me hoping I would have preferred that it was just me looking like that. But there were too many things that were shared experiences. And now that he's seen it too. And I hadn't even told him. And it was getting it now. It's at the point where I'm not happy, man. This is just horrible. In quick succession. At some point we were at the supermarket. And my son was in the house with his friend in his bedroom. And I had a phone call from him. And he was freaking out down the phone saying that, Dad, I'm not coming home to the house. The house is haunted, not coming home. And it caused a lot of problems for us. A lot of problems because he refused to come back to the house. But he had to live here. He said that him and his friends, they were doing, you know, what teenage boys do in the bedroom. And he said that the door handle was started to shake up and down, up and down. And that he'd said, Dad, stop it. Thinking it was me playing a prank on him. I don't do that kind of thing. I wouldn't have done that. And he said the feeling was really off. And suddenly the door just opens all by itself all the way up. And him and his friend got so freaked out at that moment, they just ran out the house. It was whether a coincidence or not, I don't know, but about a week or two later, that friend that was in the house with him had a younger brother who was found. This is so dark. His name was Junior. And he was found in his bathroom, hung. They think it was a mistake. And I told myself that it was some twist of time that maybe that was the ghost of that boy. I didn't know what. I was trying to make sensible this stuff, but that boy died in a coma in hospital afterwards some weeks later. I didn't, I was trying to just clutch to any not even reasonable explanation as to what was happening to us. But my son had said that these kitchen cupboards had opened violently and all kinds of why I now know his typical stuff. The gas cooker was on when we knew it was off. It just turned itself on. My little baby boy, no matter where in the living room we would go, you would always stare up at this one corner in the living room as if he could see something constantly. Lots of little things like that. So I can't remember what point I went to the, I didn't know where else to go, but I went to the priest. I didn't know what else to do or where else to turn. And I broke down in front of the, there was a female priest at Peter Rookthig or it's, I mean, that building's been there for 1,000 years. Beautiful place. But I didn't know where else to go. So I went there and this was the point that I needed to know one possible question I had was that if, because now I'm questioning whether the original experience of that object over the house, I was questioning, I was questioning if it was an angelic experience. And I wondered if maybe because I'd been so close to something like that, that maybe it opens the door to all kinds of things coming in. I just didn't know, I didn't know, but I didn't have any answers, I didn't know where to turn. So I asked her and she gave me the number to another priest. She wrote down, sorry, an email address and told her words were and she listened and she told me that this, she deals with this kind of thing to contact her. And I never did because I just was hoping it would go away. The longest time went on, I started to sleep downstairs, almost like a protection thing, a couple of nights in my bedroom. I got so freaked out with the feeling in the room of being watched again that I felt like I had to be somewhere in the house that I could access the bedrooms to protect how am I going to protect my family from this stuff? I don't know, but it put me in a state of confusion where I would sleep on the floor by the back door where that thing was. And I don't know, it made sense to me at the time. And I would just constantly wake up through the night. It took me years of this stuff to try to be able to sleep properly. Then 2017 happened, it was my work. It was the 17th of July 2017. It was about 11, what I passed 11 in the morning. And it was a incredibly hot day. I was so bright at the time, I was in a cement truck at a power station. And they were doing some drilling work. So I was just waiting to get onto the pump. And as I'm sitting there, so much time I'd gone past now that it was just something in the past. It kind of fizzled out, apart from my inability to relax in the house at night. I was just a little bit more careful, but nothing had happened for a long, long time. And as I'm sitting there in the truck, it just happened to look up. I don't know why. And notice this little dark spot in the sky heading seemingly towards me. And I'm looking at it above the trees and the trees are being blown to my right. And I'm looking at trees and all the tree tops are blowing. But this thing is just heading in a straight line directly towards me. And I started to think I've got to be a drone. But as it gets closer, I realize it's a perfect sphere. And it gets closer still. And suddenly it dawns on me. This is something to do with whatever they are. Mark metallic sphere. And it's not moving with the wind. It's just coming straight up towards me. And then it stopped about maybe 30, 40 feet above the tree line. And so I realized I had my phone in my hand this time. So I was really pleased because I thought at last finally. So I get the camera on it. I try and zoom in behind the screen, you know, the windscreen and bit dirty. But the thing moves to the left, heads up and stops against the wind. And it's just hanging out there. And then I get called on to the pump. Typically, and the two guys on site, I didn't know them. But I didn't want to draw attention to it. So I just pulled a truck up. I get on with the job, pull out the phone. And I start to record it again. So I caught three clips of this thing. And then it raises up higher and just hangs up, hangs around quite higher. Like I said, I was happy to finally get some footage of it. But this dark metallic sphere just hanging around. And then it heads over to tree line starts to go away. And I wish to go out, I could have gone after it. But there was no roads back there. It's fendland. There's no roads. I was kind of elated to see what something like that again. Something physical and not something that was scary. I was kind of happy that happened. And then I called it on camera. And couple of days passed. And I was heading back to base. And it was nighttime. And I'm on a piece of road from a place called Thorny heading back on the A47 and my way to Peace Road. And it's a section of motorway that's 70 miles an hour. There's no pullover point. There's nowhere for me to stop. And even on the edge of the road, there's a dark ditch. So you know, I'm in a 20-ton truck. I can't just pull over on the grass verge. And as I'm driving along the windows open, I've got my music on. It always seems to be this way. I just glance up. And it's as if when someone's looking at you in the street and you just happen to make immediate eye contact somehow. It seems to be that way with these things. It's just happened to Halloween again. But I just happened to glance to my right. And I saw what I immediately thought was a light plane about to crash. Because these amber lights were heading vertically straight down. At quite a distance, maybe a mile away. And we live in a flatland kind of area. Feminance is just, it's just flat. So you can see for miles, countryside. And these amber lights, I see them just as they come down and veer up horizontally. But then they appear to be heading my way. So I'm glancing over, keeping my eye on the road. And I'm just running through this whole scenario of, why is that light airplane? Why did it do that? Why is it heading towards me? And why can't I see any blinking lights? Just an orange amber balls of light. And I keep telling myself that it's again something normal. It's got to be a glider. Maybe it's a glider. And this was all happening quite quickly. And it covers a lot of ground. And as it gets close enough, I start to realize, no, no, no, this is not right. There's no object in between these lights. They're just perfectly horizontal three amber lights. Nothing connecting them. I can see that now. And they're heading in a direction that's perfectly going to intercept my position. I look at, consider putting the brakes on and stopping the truck. I think I can't cause a crash in a 70 mile hour truck just sat there in the lane. And I keep glancing over. And these things pass over the roof of the truck so close that if I was stood on the truck, I'd have watched them. Absolute silence and beautiful. We've maybe, maybe five feet of gap between each one of the three balls of light. But then like plasma, orange, fiery, energetic, swirling, but somehow hazy around the edges as well. And I saw them go over the hedge roads to my left. And it was almost like, hey, just letting you know, we still here. And yeah, that was a, that was a nice one just to see them and they passed over so close. So the last thing that happened here was, I think it was 2022. And I thought it was all over and done with everything's over and done with. Occasionally we have some freaky things in the house a couple of months ago. My girlfriend who works from home for the NHS, she, she's on her laptop, Zoom calls all day, phone calls all day, organizing doctors, rotors and stuff. And she was on one of these Zoom calls with a colleague and the colleague happened to notice that by the way, where she sits directly behind her, is that doorway where that thing was, the shallow transparent thing. And Anna has been hearing that she heard that same week, a couple of things went weird. We had the smoke alarms, fire alarms went off two or three times in a row over a couple of days. They'd go off as soon as I stood up to, to grab the, the thing, it just turned off again. And she called me at work and said that she'd heard a man's voice behind her when she's in the house alone. But it was as if it was right behind her, just say hello. And she called me, she freaked around. She felt someone touch her shoulder. And when she was on the call, the Zoom call with a work colleague, the work colleague said, what was that? And she said, what do you mean? And she said she just saw the shadow move behind her. And then they both heard a man's voice say hello. And it freaked her out. She called me again. And she said, I want to leave the house. And she actually went up to a Costa coffee shop to work from because it freaked her out that much. And that was about four or five weeks ago. So occasionally we have these weird things happening. The last time we've any object in the sky was 2022. And I was stood out the front of the house with our neighbor, Kathy, from next door. Just something to interject here is that, Kathy, our neighbor, we didn't tell her about what was happening with us. We didn't share it like that. We kept it to ourselves. And we invited around for a barbecue a couple of years ago. And I remember it was seven years after it began. And she had had a couple of glasses of wine. And she started to talk about something that freaked her sons out in her house. When she started to talk about the fact that her bedroom door flew open in the middle of the night and skipped the living daylights out of her. I said, Kathy, when was this? And she said, well, I remember the Christmas lights were up. And it was the year we moved in. She moved in the year that it began for us. And so that was around the time that the garden situation happened where it first turned freaky. And she said that she'd woken up with the door being kicked, felt like a full grown man kicking the door open. And scared her and she closed it and tried to go back to sleep. And she said that when she told her son the next day, she had two or three sons living in the house. They laughed at her and said, don't be silly, Mum, just imagining it. The next night the same thing happened to her son. He came running in her room, the bedroom door flew open all by itself. And then the next morning, they were upstairs waking up and they heard what sounded like a car crashing into the living room downstairs. It was so tremendous. They said that it felt like the house shook. They'd go running downstairs, not knowing what to see. And there was nothing wrong except she said that the three pictures of her three sons that were on the wall were all face down on the floor in the exact same position they were on the wall. Except they were glass framed photos and there was no damage to the photos. And that's when I said, Kathy, I've never told you what happened to you, have I? And I told her everything. So it was with Kathy in 2022 now that she was aware of everything that had happened here that we were out the front of the house. And we saw some glimmer shimmering lights up in the sky at a distance. But these lights, these shimmers were colors that I've never seen before. They were purples and fantastic colors and so bright and it was moving like a... In a horizontal way as if it was being lit up, something that was turning. But purples and moves and all sorts of beautiful colors. And then we realized something else was there. There were several of them. There was about three or four of them. But one was completely stationary and the lights were just shimmering around it. And then another one was moving diagonally down below it and another one or two next to it. It dawned on me that this... it was so beautiful that I said to them, record it please. I jumped in my car and I immediately drove towards where they were. But because they started to move over the tree line, I had a decision to make. And it was either that I drove back to the field where the crematorium is so I could get a view of the entire sky. Or I turned right and by the time I drive down there maybe they've gone out of sight because there were trees on both sides of the road and I didn't want to mess it up. So I made that decision to go left instead of right. And by the time I jumped out the car ran across through the hedge roads towards the field where that thing had happened with my son. I just saw like a flash of light above the trees and there was nothing there I hung about for a long time. But didn't see anything. Somebody also taken that footage and zoomed in and it looks like a perfect silver disc. But with like a dark line along the bottom of it. But one of them is sideways and he flipped it this way. So to me, I mean it was odd. It wasn't hang gliders or parachutes or planes or helicopters. So that was the last thing that I've seen. And I'm glad to say that it faded out and died away. I will say however that my twin brother I've got an identical twin brother. And he since has had some serious public activity. He had a pot fly across his kitchen almost hit him in the head. Since he took some stuff from this house back to his apartment, his flat. He said a lot of weird stuff happening after all the weird stuff stopped here. You know, Max, you're definitely stronger as a human than I am. I mean, you handled it way better than I would have had probably still out of my mind at this point. You know, many years ago I interviewed this woman. She had this Sasquatch encounter on her property. And so I was like, oh, fantastic. They'll sit up in an interview and chat. The Sasquatch portion of her encounter was more or less a side note. She had seen these weird lights one night. And then she had seen the craft. It's very similar to what happened to you. She was describing the Sasquatch encounter. Most of the encounters she never saw the creature. It was in situations where you think she would see the creature. You know, in the middle of the day this tree is rocking back and forth. And it gets ripped out of the ground and thrown. But there's nothing there. And it's a healthy tree. Weird stuff like that. But she did see the creatures on a few occasions. So she described to me after, especially seeing these lights in the UFO thing, all of these weird paranormal events started happening in the house. She had like these dolls above the fireplace. And they would turn their heads and follow you, no matter where you went in the room. There were slamming cupboards. There were stuff thrown across the room. Doors would open. She'd been growled at. Just one weird thing after another. And in her situation, I remember her telling me she said, I think they're following me. And I said, what do you mean they're following you? She sent me a picture of this thing underneath her skin behind her ear and her daughter's ear, by the way, of what appeared to be like, I don't even know how to describe it. It was something underneath the skin. It was tiny, but it was definitely underneath the skin. And if my memory's right, she had one, I kind of think underneath her armpit, her daughter as well. She sent me pictures of it all. And I never posted the pictures because if I sent those pictures, I don't know that I'd want them online. And so I tried to take care of eyewitnesses who come forward. But it was very compelling. All of this paranormal stuff going on in her home. And you know, oftentimes with these UFO encounters, people will describe a loss of time. I don't like how you were describing with your son. Yeah, I wish. Yeah. And it's strange, I still think that, it never even occurred to me. It was almost like a complete... The fact that it didn't occur to me that I couldn't remember us leaving running, getting out of there for the longest time. But I never knew that there was an association. I didn't know that. And that's why it was such a helpless feeling because I, it feels so alone and as well. Like, where do you turn? My brother, I remembered where and how I got connected, briefly with the Society for Psychical Research, the SPR. It was actually my brother who was working as a videographer at the time. And he asked me just by chance because he became fascinated with a girlfriend he had at the time, who was into a lot of the paranormal stuff. He had contacted the SPR. And they're like the oldest organization in the world, I think, in terms of how long they've been around. And he contacted them and asked if he could film some of their conferences and they'd never done that before in the history of the organization. And they said yes. And so he'd gone down and set up the camera stuff and filmed the entire lecture. By some of their, and these are renowned people, we're talking highly distinguished, scientists of all kinds of types and experts as much as you can be in this kind of subject. You know, the Enfield haunting the girl in London, they made a movie based around it, Ed and Lorraine Warren. Yeah, I never saw the movie. I know the backstory though that single mother in London, she had four kids and a lot of things going on in that home. They made a movie about the girl in London because they did visit her. But it was actually investigated fully by the Society of Psychical Research. There was a couple of guys that went in and investigated that case. And one of those guys was there when I was invited down to help my brother just be there to help him out while he filmed the lecture by Alan Murdy who was a poltergeist researcher. I forget that the guy's name. Anyway, he was in the audience and he had investigated the Enfield case. But I was overwhelmed with the need to ask questions. But I listened intently. And I remember what Alan Murdy said. He had obviously his own opinion. And he said that he was of the belief that, I'm going to tell you how they put it. He said that poltergeist activity in his opinion is PK. Psych kinetic energy of the living and not disembodied spirits. I didn't wish to agree with that. Because in effect, if that's true, what he's saying is that everything that happened in this house was me causing it or my son causing it. And I'm not willing to accept that. It just doesn't, to me, that makes no sense. And so I don't know if he's changed his opinion since. But I managed to get a hold of him as he was leaving because I needed to say to him. This was the point at which I had discovered it was known by others, not me. As he was leaving, I said, Alan, can I please, I need to speak to you. I wish I had time to tell him everything. But I said, I, for some reason, I had a really close encounter with whatever UFO is. And the next thing I know we have poltergeist activity and stuff in the house really bad. And he simply looked at me like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's normal. I'm like, I didn't know that. I had no idea. And then he helped the guy that wrote the book on the infield case to investigate it in the 70s. He was a frailed man and he helped him into a car and off he went. But just to have him confirm that was news to me. Absolutely. What is causing it? And so obviously I've thought about this many, many times. And one of, I think I said earlier, the only logical explanation as that I can think of is maybe as an option. Is that whatever these, if it's technological, if it's technological, big if, then maybe it messes with space time because in order to travel without inertia and destroy whatever biological thing may or may not be inside of these objects and make right angle turns at thousands of miles an hour, they can't be running without having some sort of capsule. Bubble to protect them from, from norm, the normal physics. And so if it's messing with gravity, then it must be messing with time. There is an effect on time by gravity. You know that and time space, space time. And so maybe there's a residual effect. And that's the only, that's as close as I can get to some sort of, well, maybe that's it. But that still doesn't explain it. So I, I don't know, I'm just clutching at stores. You know, with a lot of demonic encounters, you'll often hear people say, well, I was playing with the Ouija board and then all this weird stuff start happening in the home. What I will say with eyewitnesses and this UFO phenomenon. And then after that, it becomes more like poltergeist and paranormal stuff going on in the home. There's really no rhyme or reason behind it. Almost every person I've talked to. I mean, I can't think of one that told me anything different. There was nothing that really happened prior to seeing these lights or this craft. And then all this stuff happening in the home. You know, you had mentioned that UFO that you saw and it was all these different colors. And it looked like it had been spinning around. I had seen that years ago. I was over at my mother's home and what he was there. What he was actually the first one to see it. He went out to the deck for something. And then he was like, hey, come check this out. And it was a little bit of a distance away. It's not like it was over the top of us. You know, I'm color blind. So, you know, don't, don't judge my colors that I'm telling you. But, and I wouldn't say my eyesight at distance is great. I mean, I would say it was more like a square. Just sitting in the sky and it was flashing different colors. Very much how you describe it. Purple, green, blue, white. I mean, red, on and on and on. Really quick. And it sat there forever. And I remember trying to get a picture of it with my iPhone and even a video. But it just kind of looked like a smudge in the sky. But it was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen. It wasn't like a dish-shaped or a triangle. It was just this thing flashing these different colors up in the sky. That thing you saw in the home that you describe as, you know, it was kind of transparent when your son was asleep on the couch. Would you describe, and again, I realized it was transparent. And I was like, I'm not sure if I could describe it as a shape of it. Did it remind you more of like a gray alien as opposed to maybe like a man figure? Yeah, that's the thing. I was, as my little boy grew up, he was, I never forget, he was six years old. Every time he came through that doorway up and beyond the age of six, it freaked me out because I kept looking at, when he was six, but what was odd is when I caught it and looked at it, that on. It's, it's typical, like you just said, a gray alien stuff with shape. It's head was too big. It's body was scrawny and skinny and out of skinny little arm. Because if, as you can see me, it was as if it was half in the door. So I saw it. It's head was doing this, like it was looking peaking around the corner. So I saw its head, big head and a scrawny skinny little shoulder and arm and part of his leg. But I didn't look down at the ground just as a whole. It was obviously not. It didn't make sense that it wasn't a proper human shape. Zod. The thing is I really did. I was broken at that point. I really was and it, man, it bothered me so beyond words. I couldn't. It was weird that we didn't talk about it. When we were going through all of this, it's not like we sat down and talked about it. It's the denial aspect kicks in really hard because you have to get, you're trying to survive through it. But at the same time, I felt so broken and so, it wasn't, it was horrific. And so, over the years, I came to the point where I tried to speak to Hannah once about it. And I would have a trauma response. I mean, literally, I'd start shaking the tingles, the power on the back of the neck, I would get the sniper messed up trying to speak about it. So, she said to me, you need to see someone to get, to speak to the doctor maybe. And there was no way I was going to go and tell a doctor who would just laugh me out the office. There was no way. And so, it was at that point that I looked up and found a mouphon. And I'm, I can't remember what I did. I must have made a proper report of some part of it. And I get a phone call from the director of UK mouphon, which was a guy called Jack Turnbull. And I remember that phone call because I just broke down if he started talking to me about Mary Magdalene and about religious stuff. And I didn't expect that. We spoke for a long time. And I'm trying to, he was talking about the magi, not the magi, not the magi, not the magi, but he's spoken, he spoke a lot about religious stuff instead of everything else. And I'll never forget, he told me to stay off social media and not talk about it. But the thing is, I went on by mistake to speak to some people online. And the next thing I know, it was like so cathartic to be able to speak about it and speak about it until it was off. With every time I went over it and over it, I was able to feel a little less messed up over it. I've never had therapy in my life, but it was like therapy. And so over many, many occasions over a period of time, I felt to the point where even though now I feel shaking now, talking to you about it, I'm not getting the tingles, I'm not getting tear-eyed and all emotional. I can talk about it even though I'm a bit shaky. But back then, man, it messed me up. And like I say, I couldn't sleep in this house. As a grown man, I was literally constantly looking over my shoulder, constantly waking up at us, my sleep, like looking around in the room, constantly, and I'm a grown man, and I couldn't sleep on my own home. I felt like I couldn't protect my kids, my girlfriend. It just was horrible. But I've grown from it, and I've learned from it, and I think I've grown definitely stronger from it, but I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I mean, it's all very nice seeing these objects. They're great. But once it turns the way it did, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, because it will break you mentally. I was at the borderline. I mean, the point I ran to the cathedral, man, I was... man, I was close to... I just couldn't handle it anymore. I almost forgot. Something... because we had the Halloween thing here, which is... I've got video footage of it on the CCTV campus, so... It was Halloween this year. So I was just in the garden, and we were going to have a big party, a Halloween party. And I'd bought some really cool stuff. So I was sort of in the garden now. We were running out of time before everybody was going to arrive. And just... again, just like every time before, for no known reason, I just happened to look up while I'm busy. And immediately see one of these amber fiery balls of light, which is just above the roof line, not high. It's only... what is that? Maybe 55, 60 feet up at most, right? And it's just silent, but it's just over Cattie's roof next on neighbor. And it kind of moves, but at this time, it looked more energetic than ones I'd seen previously. It was like a... almost like a Catherine will of... And it moved really odd, and then moved and sped it up and sped up and went over the trees. And I was so busy and so stressed about trying to get the garden ready, and Hannah was trying to get her costume on. So I was like, okay, I literally didn't pay any attention. I just thought, ah, that was one of those things. And we got so drunk that night and had such a good night that I forgot all about it. But I remember taking a mental note, I'm going to have to check the cameras because I'd recently put a camera, a really good camera, at the front of the house. I was at the back of the house. So I knew I'd hoped that I'd caught it coming from the front, which is a direction I traveled from. And it was two days before I suddenly remembered, oh, yeah, I better go check the cameras. So I took it back to that point in time and loan behold from the front of the house where the moon, it was very cloudy. So you see it kind of materialized in a way, or it's been sitting there. It's hard to know distance because it was as if it was within the clouds. Because it becomes clear that it's sitting there beside the moon behind the clouds. And then it moves up and does what they always do it. They move in strange ways, don't they kind of in a ghostly fashion. But on the cameras, which are full night vision, sorry, full color night vision, everything looks perfectly normal colored. And yet this thing looks pure white. And it moves up and clearly comes rapidly towards the house because it was so far away when it first appears. Out of frame, and then you see it drop down over the roof type roof line. So what's weird about that is that on camera, it's white. But when I saw it, it was amber and it was almost like a hey, look at me. Make itself all fiery and red, sorry, orange so that you can't kind of ignore it. So that's the first time I've seen one of them for a while, but I've got it on camera. So in send you a footage, if you like, but it's pretty damn clear because it's a high quality camera. Yeah, please send it to me along with any other pictures or videos that you have. And if I don't have them in time of the show, I will update the episode page with those pictures and videos. You know, many years ago, I spoke with a gentleman by the name of John Edmonds. And he owned this ranch in Arizona called the start-est ranch. And I became so enamored with this, his whole situation and what was going on there. And it's very similar to the stuff you're talking about. It all started with crafts and these weird lights. And then all of a sudden it was like poltergeist activity in his home. A lot of really weird things happened in that home. And if my memory's right, I think John was a doctor and his wife was a psychologist very high up. John would talk about these creatures being in his home. And there was one review that he did. He was streaming online. He was doing this interview. And behind him, I mean, it looks like a great alien popped his head around the corner. I don't like how you're describing it. And people online were freaking out. And John hadn't seen it because he had his back, he had his back to this figure. But I would describe it like a great alien. This is all before like AI or anything like that. The crazy part about John, and I want to say the crazy part because it sounds like something I would do. This whole home was built out of brick. His walls were all brick. So he knew that he couldn't open fire in the home because you know one of those bullets might stray or go in other direction once it hits that brick. And he bought this samurai sword. And he started killing these things with the samurai sword. And what he would say is they would vanish the moment he hit him with the sword. And he showed a sword one time and it looked like there was dried blood and biological material all of that dried on the sword. And he just started killing these things moment. He caught wind of them or had a feeling that they were in the home. So I always thought that was odd because what he would hit with the sword was physical for a moment. And then it was gone. And I remember begging Tony Merkel to interview John and Tony ended up interviewing him. I was like, well, I got a big foot show. Everyone's going to freak out if I interviewed this guy. But I believe him. I actually believe what he said happened there happened there. And he wasn't the only one. There was many people who visited that ranch that had these experiences there of seeing these grays. A lot of paranormal activity, UFOs, weird lights flying around. And you know, when you talk to that gentleman at Mufon, you'd mention he brought up religion which kind of shocked you. And I could understand why. One thing you'll find in a lot of these alien encounters is when people cry out in the name of Jesus Christ, it stops. Whatever they are, they scatter. And people can roll their eyes all they want while listening to this. But I'm telling you, it goes on. If these things are aliens from far, far away, why would they care about the name Jesus Christ? Why would it matter? But what's kind of your thoughts on God? Well, that's one of the... Yeah, so I've never counted myself as being... I would say agnostic but in the best way. What do I mean by that? So my grandmother, my great-grandmother, I would go to Sunday school a couple of times just out of interest. And she would take me to church to her church. And I went because out of respect for her and loved for her. And then I went to Buddhism classes with my best friend at one point from Sri Lanka. And I found... I used to... My own twin brother didn't know this. But when I was a little kid, between five and ten. Because we moved back to London when we were five. When I was alone, I would actually... I would pray and feel a bit of a presence. So I believed that I was being heard. And I'm only just told my brother that and he didn't know that a couple of years ago. And he was like, really? You never told me that before. I was like, well, why would I? It was something really personal to me. Because I just believed, or at least as a child, I used to like to believe that pure goodness exists. And there was an instant where I felt like a prayer had been answered. Because there was a magazine competition. A magazine called Lookin' in what, 1988? Or something, 89? And there was one in Tendo to be one. And it was a brand new thing at the time. And I entered the competition. And then I told my mother, because I knew. That I'd won it. And she said, don't be silly, dear. Thousands, hundreds of thousands of kids throughout the country must have applied for that. And I came back from school one day. And as soon as she opened the door, she looked at me and I said, it's here, isn't it? And she freaks her out that I knew. I didn't... It wasn't a guess. I knew. And said, go and get changed. Come downstairs and there's something in the cupboard for you. And I already knew. So things, little things like that would happen. But I never cast myself as being particularly religious, but agnostic. And I wanted to believe that good, true, good exists. And like I said, I've never been a practicing Christian. And I don't like to put all my eggs in one basket. But I like to believe it's true. And what happened that night on the sofa? I did. It's funny. I've heard somebody else say something like this where in our darkest of times, even the most storm-chist atheists will probably cry out to God when he thinks it's the moment that is life ends. And I certainly did. And I didn't know, again, this was something that freaked me out because as you've said this, I didn't know for the longest time before I heard randomly somebody say that to me. And it chilled, put chills in me because that's exactly what I did. And then was somehow able to put myself back to sleep. So with religion, I... There was another element to this was that it's tricky to word it. But I think the effect of all of this happening is I had to realize, obviously, the realization that there's more to life than just this physical material world that we see around us from our experiences, whatever it is. And I feel blessed to have been challenged by it. And I've grown from it. And I've faced it full on head on. I had no choice. But I definitely have learned from then. And what started to happen for a couple of weeks, and I can't place the date on this, I woke up one morning with that presence in the room. But it wasn't dark. It was a beautiful feeling of being watched, but it was upon waking up one morning. And I had, oh God, it's really tricky to even hear myself say this. Because I've only ever... I've told my girlfriend this, obviously, at the time, I had to tell her because it was so strange, but beautiful. I had a feeling as if I was being given a message by something beautiful that was watching, that's always watching, and even can read your mind, your thoughts, your feelings, your intent, everything. So what are you called at, an angel? And the message was that there is no better way or no other way to measure a person's soul, other than to a selfless act of kindness, in particular towards strangers. And that I was going to be potentially tested, and that I may potentially have to risk everything, my life, if necessary, to save a stranger if necessary. And I felt this feeling like it was going to be imminent. Whatever I do, I'm being watched now, and I have to prove my worth. I think it's obvious that anybody can be kind and giving and caring and loving towards their loved ones. We, you know, that's a given, that's normal. But the real measure of a man's heart, or woman's heart, the real measure, is what will you be willing to sacrifice unconditionally for someone you don't know. And if there's any other way, I don't know of it, that's the only way to know. And I was looking out for things. Anyway, I started taking food to the homeless. It really opened my eyes. It faded out after a couple of weeks, but I felt I was being watched for the purpose of judgment. It was so beautiful. And yet, and changing, and eye-opening, because I really, really believe that that's the way we should always behave. And so when you look at the opposite, and this is where it gets into the question of God and religion, because of course, men, men have used religion and twisted it into their own cause for power, control. But actually, the messages and the stories that are within are meant to be nothing but positive. And all that really matters is if you took every soul on planet Earth and you have a balance of power between all of that kindness, of unconditional kindness and sacrifice, and all of the acts counter to that, of selfishness, ignorance, bliss, but selfishness, ego, and evil acts. When you add all that up, that's the struggle, right? Eight billion souls, how many people are willing to self-sacrifice? I don't think there's enough. There's too much selfishness in the world, and not enough righteousness. So it definitely has made me always aware of that, that everything you ever do, every interaction with everyone you encounter throughout your day, make sure that you try to spread more kindness and pleasure and happiness than you do pain and suffering. And we're divided at the easiest thing from wherever we're from, the class, creed, color, whatever. And we should try not to be, because if there is a judgment at the end, what if there's a judgment during your time here, and no one can guarantee their time? But I've just recognized through all of this how important that is to me. So yeah. I really appreciate sharing that, Max. And I agree with you. I think religion is corrupt. I follow no man, and I attend no church. You know on a member show, I talked about coming across this entity in this home, and I felt like it was demonic. Whatever it was, it hated my guts. And if it could kill me, it would have. And I was proven true to my intuition later on, finding out what actually happened in that home, and people were hurt. But it was around this time where I was trying to figure out who God was. And I'm stubborn. I've never found God in church, but I was searching. And what I will say in that encounter with this thing inches from my face, and again, I didn't see it. I kind of got a weird feeling like it wasn't allowed to touch me or harm me. And not because I'm anyone special or that it had anything to do with me. It was because of who was with me? Keep searching for God. Keep asking. And I can assure you, you won't find him, but he'll find you. And when he shows up, you'll realize the best you deserve is judgment. But that's not how he shows up. He shows up in love that you don't deserve. And later you'll realize he was always there. But don't take my word for it, or anyone else's. If I could grab people and force them to walk on my path, I would. But it doesn't work that way. I really appreciate you coming on Max and sharing what happened to you. I know, and I really do appreciate you supporting what I do as a member. And when you came on the live show, I was like, I really got a chat with this guy. And I've enjoyed every moment of it. Thank you so much for taking the time. I can't thank you enough. It's so much respect for you. Like I said previously, I spent maybe, I don't know, how many hundreds of thousands of people are listening doing the same every night. I'll pop a near-peace in, and I'll listen to an episode to fall asleep to. But I always make sure I complete the episode, whether it's the next night, because for some reason it helps, as you just said, to know that other people are going through these, you know, not the similar experiences. And to share helps other people, because all the people that have spoken to you and your own encounter has helped me deal with what happened to me. Like you said, it's a problem, shared as a problem halved. It's good to know. And it's great to know that you're out there. What you do is fantastic. You're helping people, and that matters a lot. So thank you. Thanks so much, Max. It means a lot. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskwatchcronacles.com. And if you get a chance, check out saskwatchcronacles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. I'm going to be a member of the entertainment high. 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