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And what he can bring is the hope that he is the young, up-and-coming coordinator on the offensive side of the ball who they can attach to a quarterback of the future. Earlier on the show, pro football Hall of Famer Rod Woodson. Basketball Hall of Famer Chris Webber. Coming up, NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. We're now on ESPN2, everybody. We're also on Disney Plus and the ESPN app and ESPN radio, as we are every single day between 12 and 3 Eastern. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. At Rich Eisen Show is many of our handles here on the program. joining us here from NFL Network and the NFL Media Group is our friend in his weekly spot, Tom Pellicero. How are you, Tommy P? What's going on, brother? Doing great, Rich. What's up to the boys back in studio? Hey, how are you? What up, Tom? Okay. Isn't that lovely? All right, Tom, let's just jump into it. Super Bowl 60, what's in your reporter's notebook coming off of it that you would love to share, Your two cents as this game still echoes for us here. It was a fascinating game because going in so much of the storyline was Sam Darnold versus Drake May. My main takeaway watching it live and then talking to people after was just that neither Drake May nor Sam Darnold played particularly well in that game. Obviously, Drake May was under duress basically from go. He and the offense just never seemed to find any type of comfort level. You know, I'm happy just personally for Sam Darnold, a guy I've gotten to know a little bit over the years, you know, for himself to be in that position. But if you're drawing up, you know, Super Bowl quarterback performances, you're not missing some of the throws that Darnold missed. You're taking advantage. That game could easily have been a blowout, but they just missed some opportunities within that game. But Darnold did what he did throughout the playoffs, which was he avoided the big mistake. Obviously, Kenneth Walker running wild and winning the MVP was a huge piece of their success. I thought Mike McDonald's game plan was brilliant, the way that they attacked the Patriots defensively. And particularly, you know, you feel for Will Campbell, but it seemed like, you know, they had come to the conclusion, whether it was Campbell coming back from, you know, a ligament tear in his knee or Campbell just, you know, his body type, the shorter arms. It was basically, we're just going to bull rush the guy over and over in the early going. We're going to physically take control of this game. And that's absolutely what they did. You know, the other piece of it, just watching the parade yesterday, Rich, was I don't think that we have said enough about John Snyder, who accomplished something that very few GMs in NFL history have done, which is winning two Super Bowls with two completely different rosters. I know that Howie Roseman did it with the Eagles after the 17th season, and then last year there were a few carryover types of players, the Brandon Grahams of the world. But for the Seahawks, these are two Super Bowls 12 years apart, two Super Bowls for a GM. I mean, that's Hall of Fame caliber stuff. and the way that Schneider did it, the way that he maneuvered with a coaching change, moving on from a legend in Pete Carroll, plucking a guy in Mike McDonald, who at the time he was hired was the youngest head coach in the NFL. After one year, those guys collectively deciding to pull the plug and make an offensive coordinator change, trading away your starting quarterback in Geno Smith to sign Sam Darnold, trading away your top receiver in DK Metcalf, and on and on and on. That's one of the things that's made John one of the best in the game for a long time, which is he is very aggressive in every single avenue of roster building. You can go back and find all the tweets. There were a number of things that he did over the last couple of years that everyone was going like, what in the world are the Seahawks doing? It all came together. They're Super Bowl champs again. You know, Schneider, Mike, those guys, really the front office, which is still largely the same for 2013. Those guys deserve a ton of credit for putting the Seahawks in a really rare position. Yeah, the nugget, Tom, that was in our NFL Network research packet coming out of Super Bowl 60 is Howie Roseman and Ozzie Newsom were the only general managers to win a Super Bowl with a different head coach and a different quarterback. But both of those teams had overlap in terms of the roster. There were members in Super Bowl No. 2 that were winners of Super Bowl No. 1. John Schneider is the first ever to have zero players from Super Bowl winning Super Bowl number one. Zero players from that team on the roster for Super Bowl number two. The order of business, though, for the Seahawks moving forward is who fills Clint Kubiak's shoes. And we all know the Super Bowl winner last year lost their offensive coordinator to be a head coach somewhere else in Kellen Moore. And we all know what happened in Philadelphia. Obviously, Seattle would love to avoid the same pitfall. What do you think is going to happen here? Who are the candidates and how wide the search might be, Tom? Well, it starts out with the internal candidates. You know, Andrew Janoco is a key one to watch because not only he's the quarterback's coach, not only is he a top candidate for the Seahawks offensive coordinator job, there's also a possibility, a strong one, if he doesn't stay in Seattle, that he's going to go with his best friend Clint Kubiak to Las Vegas and become the Raiders OC. The difference is in Seattle, Janoka would get to call the plays. So if he's offered that job, I don't know, but I would think he would strongly consider taking that over being a non-play calling OC with the Raiders. Jake Peets is another one. When they changed out the offensive staff last year, Peets was the one assistant that Mike McDonald really felt strongly about keeping in Seattle. So another guy who could either go with Clint or potentially be the play calling OC in Seattle. Justin Outen, Mac Brown, two other assistants in Seattle, both those guys are going to interview for the job as well. There are some other coaches that they've interviewed because they've run offensive coordinator searches, I think now four years in a row. So there are other coaches out there. I don't believe it's Mike Kafka. He's on staff with Detroit. I know he was a top candidate last time, and the Giants at that time wouldn't let him out. I don't anticipate that he's going to be the guy. Hank Fraley from the Lions, Adam Stenevich from the Packers or two guys that they interviewed last time around as well. They have to, under league rules, run a full search here. So they're starting out with the internal candidates, which, by the way, bold move starting your OC interviews the day after everybody is in a literally Bud Light-sponsored parade. You're finding out, above all else, who can sober up the fastest prior to these interviews as you get those going over the next couple of days. But I would say keep an eye on Andrew Ginoco. One way or another, I anticipate he's an OC somewhere in the next week or so here? Is it going to be in Seattle or is it going to be with his buddy Kubiak in Vegas? And what is a top John Snyder's to-do list in terms of contracts that need to be addressed, players to keep, players who might retire? What do you think, Tom? What's the deal there? They've got some high-profile free agents. I was going through my spreadsheets on the plane back from San Francisco because we're less than a month away from free agency right now. The fact that Kenneth Walker III stayed healthy throughout the course of the season, which had, of course, been the frustration point. He's always had, you know, those bursts and those moments, those flashes of being a guy. But he had a ton of injuries over the first several years of his career. Now, all of a sudden, he's healthy. He went Super Bowl MVP. He looked like a Super Bowl MVP in that game. Snyder made the wisecrack, and I think he was serious. The Walker was trying to negotiate him backstage, which if your GM is holding a red solo cup, I believe all those negotiations are strictly non-binding. Jerry thinks a handshake is the end of it, man. And Micah winds up a Packer because of it. I don't know. Maybe Schneider kept one hand in his pocket, one hand on his solo cup. I don't know, Tom. You never know anymore. John's very smart. He also was walking around pregame on the field in Santa Clara, handing out small Jesus statues with Jesus loves you written on it. Just trying to get any positivity going surrounding his team. But listen, in terms of his to-do list, I mean, Kenneth Walker III is a free agent. Rick Wollin is a free agent who, frankly, they probably didn't think that they were going to be able to sign him, which is why he was a potential trade target during the season. Kobe Bryant, one of their safeties, another player who's going to be a very popular free agent. And then you've got Devin Witherspoon is eligible for contract extension. Jackson Smith and Jigba is eligible for contract extension. Sam Darnold signed a three-year deal. Historically, the Seahawks have not done new deals with two years left. Certainly, I would anticipate that there's a conversation that his agents try to strike up here. But I believe that Darnold probably will go into next year with largely the same contract in place. They're not going to rip the thing up. Maybe there's ways that they move things around. But there's a fairly long to-do list. I think that that's always the case when you're talking about a team that just won the Super Bowl. Everybody wants to strike while the iron's hot, so to speak. But the number one thing on the to-do list is making sure they get the O.C. right. because they nailed it with Clint Kubiak last year. Another move, Rich, that at the time wasn't like everybody got super fired up about it. It was the exact right fit. It seems like they want to keep that system in place. Now it's a matter of who do you put in place that's going to be able to do the best job with it. Tom Pelissero here on the Rich Eisen Show. Speaking of to-do lists, it appeared Clint Kubiak's first thing to do was to find Max Crosby and have a cup of coffee with him any idea what let start here what is going on is there any smoke here does max crosby have an issue of beef that can be uh bridged at all or is he just because we heard him on uh jim gray and tom's pod basically saying he just wants to be left the f alone and he's all about football tom what's going on here's what i would say max crosby and clint alluded to this, he is in the building every day. He is doing his rehab. He's doing his workouts. He continues to go about his football-related business the way that he always has. My understanding is that conversation with Clint Kubiak was positive. Max, and I think that he mentioned it on that podcast, is impressed by some of the things that he knows about Clint Kubiak. He enjoyed that conversation. But there are a lot of other fences that would need to be mended for Max Crosby to stay in Las Vegas. He's been through, what, six or seven head coaches in his time there. He's been to the playoffs once. He's played through a ton of injuries. When you think back through all the players that have come and gone from that place over the time, you know, the Max Crosby has been there. He's like the lone wolf still standing. And so there's really two sides of this, Rich. It's not solely, you know, Max Crosby and what he wants to do. Again, I would anticipate the combine is coming up in a couple of weeks. I would anticipate that there are more conversations there between Crosby's representatives and Raiders brass. Certainly, Max, you know, has some decisions to make after the way that things ended last year. Shut down at a time that he did not want to be shut down. He's got to decide whether or not he can be all in once again after taking so many leaps through the years with different coaches and different regimes and then seeing the plug pulled within a year or two. He does have a great relationship and an affinity for Mark Davis. And so, you know, there is some part of him that's always wanted to be, and he said that before, wants to be a Raider. On the flip side of it, too, you have a Raiders team that has to decide, does it even make sense for us to hang on to Max Crosby, particularly if at some point he very clearly and decisively says, I don't want to be here. If the Raiders, as Clint Kubiak evaluates this roster, comes to the conclusion that, hey, in the next year or two, we can do the quick flip. We can get this thing on track. We can be competing to go to the playoffs. You might say, we want Max here. We need him. He's 27, about to turn 28 years old. He's still in his prime. We think we can flip this fast enough that he can continue to be the cultural center of everything we're doing, particularly on defense. We're going to grow and he's going to be a part of the turnaround. If Clint and his staff, along with John Spitek in the front office, look at this roster the way a lot of other people do around the NFL and say, this is a complete ground-up rebuild. Other than Bowers, Gentty, Colton Miller, it's a pretty short list of your core players. This is going to be three years or more. the best way to hasten that rebuild is to trade Max Crosby, who at this point can still command, if not two first round picks, certainly a first round pick and more. There are many teams that would be salivating over getting Max Crosby. You could have a bidding war that plays out up until the start of free agency on March 11th, max out his value, no pun intended, and move on. So you have moving parts on both sides of this thing. It is not an impossibility, Rich. The Max Crosby is back with the Raiders. It is certainly a possibility that he is not, but there are multiple voices here, including Max and Clint Kubiak, all the way up to Mark Davis, who are going to be a part of this decision. Absolutely. Uh, this is going to be one to follow in the weeks to come. Listen, I know the way you go about your business and the fact that you didn't hit this directly on the head means, you know, it's something that you, you know, you don't want to talk about, uh, whatever you do know. Um, and I, I know you're already cocking your head. Like, what are you, where are you going with this? I said a lot there, so I'm wondering which one you're going to book out. What's the issue? What's the problem? The way the last year ended, he wanted to finish on the field? Or is it really he's pissed that they sent him home and he wanted to finish the season because he's that sort of a lion-hearted type of guy? Or he's sick and tired of the losing and the changing and all that stuff? All the above. It is all the above. They have been bad for most of his time there. They have had endless change, scheme changes, coaching changes, front office changes. And he was upset. Absolutely. He was upset when they shut him down. I mean, you got to remember, Max was playing through that injury like half the season. He's played through a ton of different stuff. And then when you're the Raiders, you're Tom Brady, you're John Spitek, whoever coming to him and saying, we think it's in your best interest to shut it down now, that's going to strike a competitor a certain type of way. They could have shut him down in November. They shut him down with two games to go. And everybody can read into that what they will about a team that may have wanted to preserve the number one pick and ultimately did preserve the number one pick that they can now use to go and in all likelihood get Fernando Mendoza the Indiana quarterback that's all uh part of the broader uh tapestry of this thing but absolutely he was mad about that but that was not the only issue it's not as if everything was great and then he was told hey we're shutting you down for two games and he lost his mind he was very upset about it but it was everything that led up to that it was the perpetual losing I mean, think about the number of coaches, Rich, that they've had there, from Gruden to Bisaccia to Josh McDaniels to Antonio Pierce to Pete Carroll to now Clint Kubiak. You've had several different front office changes. All the players that Max was there with. I talked with Gruden about this recently. He was going down the list of players that they had in his last year. You had a dozen legit players on that team, and every one of them is gone. And you can imagine it's the Will Smith Fresh Prince gif of him looking around the empty room. Max, at some point it's like, not only do I not recognize the guys around me, I don't recognize the guys that came before the guys around me. That's how many times this thing has turned over. He knows he's got a limited amount of time with this thing. He wants to be great. He wants to be a Hall of Famer. He's headed that direction, but he also wants to win. The fact that he got pulled for the last two games last year, it was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. and put it in a dark spot. I can't sit here and tell you that it's irreparable, but there is a lot to repair. Tom Pelissero here on the Rich Eisen Show. All right, so last one for you, the quarterback carousel, Tom. This would have spun off its wheels if Stafford said, I'm done. If he's like, I'm the MVP and I'm finished. But he's staying. so that job is secure because in my mind tom there's a bunch of players in the nfl that would be calling agents that would be calling people up saying get me there get me there get me out of here get me there um so we're removing that but so which quarterback are we watching to change teams in the next few weeks here tom let's start out with the ones that have the the early triggers so to speak, where decisions are going to have to be made sometime in the next month here. Tua Tunga-Vailoa, all signs are pointing toward him not being back in Miami, whether that's via trade, which would be very complicated, or via cut, which would be less complicated and in some ways provide more flexibility to the salary cap. Kyler Murray, it's nothing that's final or firm on that front yet, but certainly I would say it is likely that Kyler Murray has played his last down for the Arizona Cardinals. He's got, again, he's got an even more complicated contract because he's got a rolling guarantee in 2027 that would vest if he's still on the roster next month. Arizona's got decisions to make. New coaching staff with Michael Fleur. I ultimately believe that Kyler Murray is going to be someplace else. Geno Smith with the Raiders. If they take Fernando Mendoza at number one, Geno also has an additional vesting that comes up next month. They just hired Michael LeFleur officially a couple of days ago. So they're working through that process. But I would tell you teams within the league are anticipating that Geno Smith is going to be available. Mac Jones, high bar in terms of what it would take. I know that there have been reports that the 49ers will absolutely not trade him. I would just say there's maybe only a couple of dozen players in the entire league that don't have a price tag at which someone would not be willing to, would not be willing to trade him. So for Mack, is that a second round pick? It's probably something like that. It would be significant because he's a great value backup player on a team in Brock Purdy who showed you the second half of last season, once he got healthy, how good he can be, but also historically has missed some time. And so you're not going to be sitting there going, you know, we just want to get anything we can and move on from Mack. He's a huge value to the 49ers. You've got some other quarterbacks, former starters, who potentially could be available in this offseason. What do the Colts do with Anthony Richardson? If presumably they get Daniel Jones back, which we talked about this on game day morning, every plan is that he's going to be back in Indy. He wants to be there. The Colts want to work out a deal. It'll be a complicated deal, as they often are, particularly with a player coming off of a season-ending injury like the Achilles tear that Daniel Jones had, if they can't get a deal done, the franchise tag is an option. One way or another, I anticipate Daniel Jones being back in Indianapolis. You then still have about, when I redid my board this morning, you got like eight or nine teams. Kirk Cousins, I didn't mention that one. That's another who has a trigger in his contract. He's going to get released prior to the second day of the league year, but that doesn't preclude him from going back to Atlanta. It's just a contractual thing that was done by the prior regime. He has a history with Kevin Stefanski. He had one of his best seasons, won a playoff game with Kevin as his offensive coordinator in Minnesota back in 2019. Justin Fields, another player who's due $20 million next year, he could become a free agent here. So you've got right there, that's like seven different guys who one way or another, I anticipate becoming available sometime in the next 30 days. It's just a matter of how are any of these guys potentially tradable where they could end up going someplace. The free agent market, I mean, it's pretty thin. It's, you know, besides Daniel Jones, it's Russell Wilson is set to become a free agent. It's Flacco. It's Malik Willis. That one is going to be really interesting. I know that everybody has already, you know, Photoshopped the Dolphins uniform onto him because of Jeff Halfley and John Eric Sullivan, but the price is going to be high, Particularly if you a team that may be eating most or all of Tua million guaranteed salary next season It early Rich but I wouldn be surprised if Malik Willis is commanding somewhere between million and million on the open market just because you seen if Justin Fields can get $20 million a year last year when we've got a pretty good track record on him and a pretty good idea of what he is, Malik Willis in spots, you saw him and you're like, this guy looks like an NFL starter in an offense that close to half the league runs. Beyond that in free agency, you're down into the Jimmy Garoppolo's and Marcus Mariota's of the world. So the trade market and the cut market is going to be a big piece of what teams are looking at. And then, you know, you have to look at the draft and what's going to happen there. Aaron Rodgers, by the way, I should mention, also set to be a free agent. If he comes back, I anticipate that's going to be with the Steelers. Him and Mike McCarthy have talked often. This draft is not thought to be and believed to be. Again, we're still early in the process. It's not believed to be particularly deep at the quarterback position. Fernando Mendoza, barring some type of a, you know, a act of God is going to go number one to the Raiders. The second quarterback going into this is pretty clearly Ty Simpson from Alabama. And I've been perusing some of the mock drafts from our friends over at NFL.com, Rich. I have not seen Ty Simpson's name in a lot of those mock drafts. I would just tell you, and we are what, you know, 70 days or so, I believe exactly 70 days out from the NFL draft. I would be surprised sitting here right now, Not only if Ty Simpson doesn't go in the first round, I don't think Ty Simpson gets out of the first half of round one because there are too many teams that need a quarterback. There is tape of Ty Simpson doing a lot of things at Alabama that you see NFL quarterbacks doing in terms of under center, running play action, turning his back to the line of scrimmage. The way last season ended was not ideal for Simpson. We all saw the bowl game where he's just underdressed the entire game and taken some big shots. He also was sick the back half of last season. He lost a bunch of weight. He has a skill set and a knowledge of offense that is going to serve him well. It's different than Tyler Shuck last year, but it is, I would say, there are some similar types of things where the more time people get around Ty Simpson, the more that they're going to like him. and if you're sitting there and remember this too rich we've got several teams that have multiple first round picks the jets are one if they're sitting there at 16 is ty simpson getting past them there how about the rams even with matthew stafford coming back they own the number 13 pick stafford's 37 38 years old at some point you're going to need that next guy if you've got a guy that you can develop for a year or two you know just like the packers have done for years and have them ready to go i wouldn't rule out something like that either there's a few other quarterbacks Garrett Nussmeyer, Carson Beck. We'll see. I think Trinidad Chambliss is currently in federal court. He is. So we'll see how that one goes. Yeah. There are some other quarterbacks who could climb in the process, but don't be surprised if we're talking about Ty Simpson appearing in those mock drafts more and more as we get closer to drafting. He is in federal court. I saw during the break, Joe Judge was on the stand. You know, I mean, it was quite... He had some things to say, too. He did. I know what he said has gone viral, that's to say the least. Tom Pellicero sir we'll chat with you next week and advance the combine that's right around the corner I'll remind my wife Tom Pellicero everybody another great appearance we'll take a break 844-204-RICH is the number to dial The Rich Eisen Show Podcast Back here on our simulcast, everybody. Let's go to the phone lines. Let's go to Tom in Chicago, Illinois. We're on there, too. ESPN Radio in Chicago. What's up, Tom? Hello, Rich and crew. And first of all, I need to apologize for having a boring name, Tom. I wish I was Swamp Dog or something more interesting. Tom Dog. T-Dog? What's your last initial? M. Tommy M in Chicago. Oh, okay. Big time. Well, and I have another follow-up before we talk about my beloved Eagles. I am not technically from Chicago. I'm from Lake Forest, about a couple miles from Howell's Hall, where the Bears play. Okay. All right. Yeah, well, just because we were talking off Staten Island, not being part of New York, Lake Forest isn't part of Chicago, but I just wanted to be clear. And it now says graphically on the screen here, Tommy M. in Chicago. So there you go. Or should we say Tommy M. in Lake Forest? Forest. Okay. What's on your mind, Tom? So, you know, it kind of reminded me when he talked about the Eagles' rings and having wings on the rings, which I thought would be interesting. And, you know, there was a time when people were like, are the Eagles building towards a dynasty? And now it's, you know, it was every other year. My question is, given a lot of the supposed dysfunction, A.J. obviously issue there, we lose probably the greatest offensive line coach in football who resigns for reasons and retires for reasons we'll probably find out later. Do you know where Jeff Stoutland's from, Tommy? Do you know where he's from? I do not. He's from Staten Island, New York, but keep going. How about that? New York City. There you go. Obviously, an aging roster, still a lot of talent. The question is, you know, love to know your opinion. Will the Eagles figure it together? while Howie Roseman pull out his magic wand and, you know, exceed expectations in the draft, and where do you see the Eagles? Tom, Tom, very rarely do I answer a question with a question. Is Howie Roseman going to figure it out? Tom, what do you think? He will. He shall. What do you think? Okay. Honestly, like what do you – He shall. He will. Of all the general managers in the league to wonder – like, you know, he can self-scout, he can figure it out, and he can also find out what he needs. and Jedi mind tricks somebody in the league to give it to him. He does it all the time. And, you know, Jalen Phillips was an outstanding acquisition. Unfortunately, though, it just, you know, didn't work out this year. And whatever the hell's going on on an offense, he knows. He knows. I don't know what's going on with Stoutland. I don't know if this is all Sirianni related. I don't know anything about that. But I do know that it's oxygen for this team and this franchise, and he's the perfect guy to figure it out. Will he do it? I don't know. Well, does he have the skill set to do it? One million percent, Tom. One million percent. Well, he'll probably, you know, we do have a pick in the end of the first round. He'll probably end up trading it down and doing just as well with other picks. Well, whoever is still sitting there that you're like, how the hell is that guy still there? He'll draft him. Certainly if he's from Georgia, thanks for the call. It's Tom in Lake Forest. Tommy M in Lake Forest. He's Tom in Chicago, but he's Tommy M in Lake Forest to us. I'll tell you this. We were just talking about the Eagles there, Chris Brockman. Yes, sir. Jalen Hurts is somebody who you should take heart in. Why am I saying this? I have this piece of information. Drake May, your Patriots quarterback, Chris, became the 37th quarterback all time to lose his first career Super Bowl start. Of the previous 36, only seven went on to start another Super Bowl. Wow. Yeah, it's not great. And of the 36, only four went on to start and win another Super Bowl. The four guys who, after losing their first career Super Bowl start, to actually be so fortunate to make it back to start another one and win. The most recent one is? Jalen Hurts. Correct. Kurt. Nope. No, Kurt won the first one. Kurt never went on to win another one. Yeah, he won. Thanks to you and Brady, and then obviously Big Ben in the story. Oh, right. Oh, no. Right, right. Start and win another one. His name last one before Jalen Hurts was John Elway. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's right. Before that, Bob Greasy. Oof. And before that, Len Dawson. Len Dawson. Wow. That's it. Yeah. It's a short list. It's a short list. Yeah. so like I said a few weeks ago it is hard to win this so Jalen Hurts is the only quarterback in the last 30 years to do it he's only the he's also the only quarterback all time to lose their first career Super Bowl start at age 25 or younger and make it back to another Super Bowl start in their career Marino didn't do it David Woodley didn't do it Goff has yet to do it Bledsoe never did it Burrow's yet to do it. Kaepernick is not going to get the chance to do it. Vince Ferragamo never did it. Brock Purdy has a chance to do it. So there's that. Drake May was asked this week if any Super Bowl experience that he just got, does he think it will help him down the road? I think 100%. I think he can use it as a learning experience and an experience that I have a chance to remember for the rest of my career, the rest of my life. It's a chance to battle back for something that didn't go your way or you wish would have gone different and give you fuel to remember that. That's what you give me something to work for. I think it's something for this team to work for and this organization and these coaches. We left it all out there, I know that. We came up short and we didn't execute or play how we wanted to, but there's a lot of things that this team did well and we can use it down the road. what else are you going to say no i don't think i picked anything up well the only thing he picked up was his own self off the turf i don't know if you've seen the nfl films the nfl film stuff so amazing amazing and and and it comes out you know day after day after day sort of it resonates kind of like bad bunnies halftime show where the easter eggs are still coming out you talk about the vrabel and the locker room well not well there's that which i'll get to that in a second there's footage of May standing next to Vrabel on the sidelines and Vrabel's like trying to keep him pumped up and May's like I'm not giving up I'm going to keep going out there and then we see him late in the game rolling to his right getting rid of the football and getting absolutely smoked by a Seattle defender And May falls down you know gets taken down to the ground He's lying on his back and he lands right at the feet of Vrabel, who basically asks him if he wants to stay in. And May's like, yeah, I'll get up. because Rabel, you know, Steve Young doesn't just throw out on Monday's show. I think he's hurt. I think he was hurt. He was hurt. He was hurt. Afterwards, he was also asked about surgery. Is he going to need surgery on that shoulder? Just get some time off. Time off. Time's the best healer, and I definitely just need time off. Nothing that needs anything to be done. Just some time away and time to get some rest and just time away from football. Time away from football. I mean, they got an injection before the game, so clearly something was going on there. Yeah, and this is why, take heart, you know, of the last 10 Super Bowl losers, five went on to miss the playoffs the following season. The last team to make the Super Bowl again after a Super Bowl loss was the 2018 Patriots. and so Vrabel's the right guy man I mean again everyone should seek out the video of him welcoming everyone back to the locker room which he's done all year in a loss and in a win it was only the fourth time all year he did it in a loss he did it in a win 17 times where he welcomes everybody back to the locker room seek it out because he's mic'd up and you hear him basically tell everybody that comes back to stay pissed together. Yep. And what does that mean? Stay pissed together, which is don't go in that locker room and point a finger. Do not point fingers at anybody. We are collective, and we are going to use this collectively to get better. Do not go in there. We are a team. if you're pissed we're pissed together that's the way i i took that to mean and the other thing he was telling everybody again seek this out it is awesome we can't play it on the air we don't have the rights to it um he says it was 307 days did you see that too chris yeah 307 days he knew the exact number of days from the minute that they got together as a team to that day that they just got beaten thoroughly in Super Bowl 60. Just 307 days. There's more days to come. They're just at the beginning of their journey. This is not over. Yeah, that's what he told Milton Williams. and he told that to others too 307 days that's all it is we've just gotten started now obviously listen Super Bowl teams you look around in the locker room you'd love to do it in a win rather than a loss you know there's people not coming back there'll be players who are done playing there's people that are in terms of the franchise's way of looking at them done playing for them and then there's other players that are thinking I'm done playing for you uh whatever but collectively don't point a finger and for those who are staying you know to use the Michigan phrase those who will stay but will be champions and and 307 days feels like a long time but in the grand scheme of things it isn't and um don't worry about it I mean you got you got the right guy you got the right guy at the top you got the right guy shopping groceries you got the right guy coaching and I think you got the right guy quarterback i know i just read this list of players who get back to the super bowl who lose their first seven of 36 but only four of 36 have gotten back to win it and to start and win it and it's a small list but why can't drake maybe be the fifth how many of those guys were arguably the mvp of the league i think there's no question he's the right guy i don't know i don't know i I don't know the names of the people. There could have been somebody who lost the MVP race to be second in the voting by just one vote because somebody who did vote the other way was right. If that's what you're referring to. I'm not referring to you, that's for sure. Okay, sorry. I forget what the name of the show is sometimes. But no, if I had to, yes or no, he gets back and starts another Super Bowl. Yeah, a thousand percent. I would think so. Yeah. I would think so. And hopefully the next time he does that, he doesn't need a shot in the arm. Right. Figuratively or literally, you know? No doubt. Because the shot in the arm he took, we know before the game. And then again, the NFL films footage, he was trying to, Vrabel was trying to pump him for the Heisman and give him a bunch of attaboys. He got his butt kicked all day. 844-204-RICH, number to dial here on the show. We'll wrap up Thursday, let you know who's on Friday, and phone calls in a moment. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast. 844-204-RICH, number to dial for small businesses, every hire counts. And so does your time. Hiring can quickly become overwhelming from sorting applications to figuring out who's truly qualified. That's where LinkedIn Hiring Pro helps. It streamlines the process so you can focus on connecting with the right candidates and not managing the noise. hire right the first time post your job and get a hundred dollars off towards your job post at linkedin.com slash eisen that's linkedin.com slash eisen's terms and conditions apply joe in houston texas been hanging on for quite some time what's up joe what's going on rich how you doing what's going on man what up man you look let me say this as a writer fan of 50 years now that that tells do something. I've been originally from L.A., so I've been a fan of this team for a long time. I've seen a lot of the Max Crosby's come and go. So we've lost players in this, that, and the third. I get it. But that's what I was telling you, producer, man. Most Raider fans don't understand this. A lot of them haven't lived through it. But this is the first time since John Gruden, I'm talking about the first stint, John Gruden, that this Raider team has honestly and truthfully blown it up to the point where we will have a system. And what I mean by having a system, the Rams have always been known to draft the fastest, the biggest, the most athletic. That's the Heisman Trophy. There's everything that brings and put the asses in the seats. But it doesn't mean or replicate good football players. When you come to a system like you have with this Shanahan system, which Kubiak is a portion of or basically a product of, that system is built on drafting football players that fit a system. That's why I'm glad, Rich, that you've been on here proponent of. No, don't trade that pick. Get Mendoza. Don't do this. Do that. You know, because a lot of the people out here on ESPN, oh, you've got to blow this thing up completely. Yeah, you do have to blow it up completely. But as I said before, this is the first time they're going to be building a system where they're going to draft players that fit that system. If they don't fit the system, they won't be in that organization. That's what Spitech and Brady is bringing to the organization, a modern-day run organization. This Max Crosby thing, let me touch on that right quick. As a fan, as I say again, I want him gone. I think he wants to be gone. And if that's the case, then so be it. It's going to help us build our team because timelines don't match up. The timelines do not match up. He's upset and he's pissed. Okay? The longest tenure Raider on the team right now is Colton Miller. Colton Miller ain't said a damn thing. But he's one of the better tackles in the league. He's one of the better left tackles in the league. But he hasn't said a damn thing. Well, Joe, let me just say this. Let me just jump in here. Max Crosby hasn't said anything either. you know what I mean like these are all reports that are ascribed to him that he's told the Raiders he doesn't want to set he doesn't want to play another down for him again and and and you know here's the thing and thanks for the call Joe and I love your passion man call back um here's here's the thing it it's on Clint Kubiak it's on Clint Kubiak to basically lay down a culture and come on in and calm the waters here, all right, and prove to be the guy. Like, who is he? Like, is he going to be, can he be like Ben Johnson, who is just like good, better, best, this is my style, and, you know, I'm a hard ass. I'm a hard ass, but I'm not just a hard ass, I'm a play calling genius, and follow me to freedom to use the charlie steiner line from the y2k sports center ad you know what i mean finally where it's chaos everywhere you got the lantern you know follow me to freedom and will max crosby buy it if that is in fact the case that he needs to buy into it otherwise you can get a ton of draft capital but at some point you got to turn those guys into picks that's what it kept saying about the jets like hey we're gonna rebuild hey we're gonna rebuild. Hey, we're going to rebuild, but at some point you need a quarterback. And if you look at Fernando Mendoza and you look at what Sam Darnold just did in the Clint Kubiak system, and you get enough weapons around him. And if you think that Fernando Mendoza can do the same thing what Sam Darnold can do, which is be internally motivated, block out all the noise, go home when it's quitting time in Las Vegas and, and be the guy, then you draft him. And then you figure out how to protect him best you can uh right off jump through the draft through free agency be smart about it and if that's a plan that max crosby needs to you know be sold on then sell him on it damn it because he's max freaking crosby and you don't trade guys like that who are filled with pride and filled with all sorts of nastiness that you want to send in the direction of bo nicks and justin herbert and when he's healthy. Patrick Mahomes, damn straight. That wraps up this Thursday edition of the Rich Eisen Show. We're back on Friday's show. Tim Hardaway Sr. is going to be here in studio. That'll be fun. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast. Thank you.
