#4653 In The White Barn, With My YouTube

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That's better than Chicago. I don't wanna let it sink into food. Please, just end up like that chair. Ha, Hanuman, it's easy. Yes, but it isn't easy to do. You have to do that. Ha, Hanuman, it's good because I can't remember. Ha, Hanuman, it's good. Ha, Hanuman, it's good. It's good. It's good. Oh, I know this. This violates every canon of respectable broadcasting. Well, all right. Hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of T-B-T All the Show. That just might be too beautiful to live. This whole conversation bothers me. My name is Luke Burbank, I'm your host. He's got Ritz. Like, he just does. Comedy from the Modrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia on a rainy Friday here in the Pacific Northwest. I didn't know you liked Gidwento. Where we've made it, folks. We've made it to the end of the week, and we've made it to episode 4,653 in a collector series. Less to fun begin. As you probably already know, or maybe got some indication from from our intro package, but Catherine O'Hara has passed away at the age of 71. It's the saddest thing I've ever heard. Just an absolute. I would say national treasure, but I believe that she may have been from Canada. A continental treasure. Catherine O'Hara, just so funny and in so many great things. And such a kind of a part of this show, by way of the audio, drops that we've used over the years. So we'll talk about her life a little bit. Plus, my plans for watching the Super Bowl, which involves some folks down in the world. And some folks down in Salem, Oregon having to do basically an IT check on a barn. To try to make my football watching dreams come true, a more on that. And of course, a conversation with this guy who is joining me right now from inside a active construction zone. Hey, when you hear the most annoying sound in the world. He is the longest running co-bro of the program, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ship. I just want you to be normal and clearly you're not. He is Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good afternoon, Luke Burbank. Ah, yes. Good afternoon. By 16 minutes. Yes, we're getting off to a little bit of a later start today, which means I have no excuse if I am not performing at top levels today because I did not just roll out of bed. I am not still fuzzy-minded from whatever disturbing dreams I had. If I can't perform today, Luke, I don't think there's any hope for me. Yeah. The offensive line is healthy. You have your full complement of receivers. Yes. At this point, it's there are no more excuses. This is make or break. I have, I mean, I have an oblique. I do have a little bit of an oblique. I don't know how much I hate. I don't know how much I hate. I have an oblique. That, I'm an obtuse man, so I'll be oblique. I'm going to be oblique. Another, by the way, another Onyx Blackman reference this week. The way that you described that, I don't know if you were doing that intentionally or not, but it has nothing to do with where we want to start the show. But it makes me endlessly annoyed that the sort of parlons of talking about football injuries has now become. He's dealing with an oblique. He's dealing with an ankle. He's dealing with the shoulder. It's, you just totally decided we don't need to add in the like, he's dealing with a shoulder injury. What about not even dealing with, you're actually giving him? He has a shoulder. He has a knee. They'll say that. He has a knee. We're hoping that he'll play, but he has a knee. It's like, I hope he has two. Yeah, two would be even better. Two would be even better for running. I don't understand that. I was driving home from, by the way, we got to start today because I was down in Portland doing a local TV hit on Hello Rose City promoting live wire. And I was driving back, and I was following one of those, like a kind of a manufactured home, like part of a manufactured home. It's on the huge trailer. And so they've got pilot cars. They've got a car in front of it and a car behind it. And the signs on both the part of the manufactured home and then the cars behind it, and probably in front of it, it said, over size load. That's what I meant. And I spent the next 30 miles shadow boxing with that. Should it be over sized? Seems like it. Or a load. But I guess if you broke it down, you said, a load is over the size that is typical. So you need to be careful. It's an over size load. But I feel like it should be over sized. Its size is too much. It is over sized. I agree. As an adjective, I feel like it should be sized. I'm wondering though, as the son of a sign maker, how much does a decost? I mean, maybe the thing is they're just trying to get the point across without spending extra money on extra letters. Yeah. I mean, that's a possibility. Maybe they wanted it to be as big as possible so that you could see it easily. But then making it that large meant that the D was going to, you're going to have to start a new, you're going to have to hit return and start a new column for the D. Care to return. You've got to call it. Care to return D. Well, the original sign was, Dear Serzin Matams, please use caution when navigating your vehicle around this truck. It is a rather oversized load. So that was the original, I believe that was the original sign. And then they just started pairing back. They were blaring handles, water music, off of speakers. As you read that, just to fully create the maximum experience of language and auditory. So, okay, yeah. Let's say we can't get caught up in grammar. We can't get caught up in an oblique. We've got to talk about the very, the sad news that Catherine O'Hara has passed away. She was 71 years old. It sure seems, Andrew, that the older that I get, the younger that people are when they pass away. And 71 is not old at all. That's just about barely 20 years ahead of me. And of course, certainly, I don't know anything about the circumstances of her passing. I certainly didn't hear anything leading up to it about her being in ill health. I know that, sort of with Diane Keaton, I guess, what happened was that she had fallen into ill health, but she wanted to keep that private, which I think is totally reasonable. So, it is one of those things where when someone doesn't seem like they're particularly elderly, and you don't know that they're sick, and then you just hear that they have passed away, it can feel pretty sudden, and it's a real bummer, because Catherine O'Hara was still making all kinds of great stuff. And her career was so long, and it involved so many different phases, like SCTV, which was the kind of Canadian Saturday Night Live. She was on that, and she was great. That could have been a career for someone. She was in waiting for government. She played Sheila Albertson, a phenomenal character. She's married to Fred Willard. They are travel agents who have never been outside of Missouri, which Fred Willard's character comments on. People think it's ironical, and we've never been out of Missouri. And I believe they cut to him on the phone with someone who goes, Montezuma's revenge is nothing, but good old-fashioned diarrhea. The emergency room shouldn't even enter the conversation. And like they're really into being in the local theater scene, and Fred Willard is just so absolutely, he's just so mean to Sheila, and he's just, he crushes her dreams constantly to the degree that the only time she can really actually express herself is when she gets very drunk at a Chinese restaurant and is talking to Eugene Levy and his wife about a very good about a very personal operation, a procedure that one of them, either had or was considering a penis reduction surgery for her husband, Ron, which I always wonder about that scene because it's improvised, presumably. I'm sure they have sort of a structure for what they want to do, but I wonder if when she said, because the way that it comes about is that they say they've only been out of blame one time and it was for the procedure. And he doesn't want to talk about the procedure. That's how they get into it. That's how they get into it. It's a discussion of like the other time that they've left blame the jury, and it was, they went up to wherever it was for, and it was like for your procedure. And then Ron Albertson says, I had, you know, whatever guy would dream about. So like, I don't know if that was just Fred Willard in the moment pivoting to, I didn't have an enlargement surgery. I had a reduction surgery, but then she rolls with it beautifully. Anyway, I had funnier that way. That's for sure. Sure is. And then of course, Beetlejuice, which is a whole other kind of audience, right? Like, you know, because there's the comedy nerds who are real down in the like, a government lore, and then SCTV and things like that. But then you've got Catherine O'Hara in this hugely financially successful movie that's super popular with probably a slightly different viewing crowd. But also, but also kind of a weird dark. Fair timber, yeah, the point. And then, sorry to cut you off, but then of course, then home alone, right? And then that's like, oh, I forgot about, how do you forget about one of the biggest movie branches? I thought that's what you were building too. That's why I was saying, like, I'm glad you reminded me. Beetlejuice was big and, you know, a hit, but still like kind of a dark, you know, very dark comedy and something that you'd still call like a cult classic, even though it was successful. Sure. But then home alone is just straight up mainstream, mainstream, huge hit. I mean, huge impact on the culture and indelibly, or indelible on the culture, you know, as far as I can tell, like going forward, it is like a Christmas classic. And so I'm going to say something. Something has been on my mind all day. And I hope people take it in the spirit in which it's intended, because it's kind of a, it's kind of a, maybe a harsh thing to say when somebody just passed away. But Genevieve has this expression sometimes when we're talking about, I don't know, a famous person and sometimes we'll say like, what will be their, what will be the first line of their obituary when they die? You know, it's kind of a, it's kind of a, I guess kind of a harsh way of saying, what is the first thing somebody will be remembered for? And honestly, I remember having that conversation with Genevieve at one point, not all that long ago, saying like, what is her, right, most memorable thing to the mainstream culture? Because I think you're right. It's smelling Kevin in the airport. Yeah. In our circles, it's going to, we're going to think the Guffman verse, right? For sure. Right. All of those kinds of things. But then like, but for most Americans, if you just one word, like who is Catherine O'Hara, if you need to remind somebody, I think most people will be, oh, the home alone lady, right? And like that, and for you and I, that's not even, that's not what ranks so much, you know? And somebody said on Blue Sky today, much more eloquently than the tribute I'm trying to offer here, something along the lines of, I think this, do you know who more a quint is? I think she's a writer of some sort, and I follow her on Blue Sky. Okay. And she said, um, Catherine O'Hara was so talented and special that the problem is I forgot she was mortal. And I think that is kind of it. That's why, wow. You're right. Like 71 is just too young anyway, but also, you never really thought about it. But when you put it that way, you're like, yeah, how could, how could this happen? You know what I mean? She doesn't seem like somebody who could pass away because she just contained so many multitudes. And it was just so beloved too. And then had what would probably be, I would say, you know, this is very generational. But if you, if you go down to maybe a younger generation, Moira, her character from Shits Creek, that might be how a lot of people know her because that is such an iconic character. And when Shits Creek kind of blew up in the US when they started, I think it was, they put it on Netflix. And suddenly it was in everybody's home. America fell in love with this really great show from Canada. And like, I mean, it's just incredible that you, that you throw that on there too, like, you know, at what we now learn was getting towards the end of her career. But like, I mean, that character is so, I mean, I was, this, listen to that intro, we're scatting. I know. That's not even all of it, by the way. What is the original? I edit it for time. Someone put that on that log. It could have been me. Or something. It should have been you. It should have been you. Like, like, like, if you're not taking off your I thought, what was she just like, like, that is, that is, that is comedy being, being practiced at the highest possible level in my opinion by a person who's had so many different versions of her career and been so great in so many different things and was not slowing down as far as I can. In fact, I just heard this is totally random, but I heard Brian Cranston yesterday. I saw some clip of an interview with him talking about how he and Catherine or Hera were working on a project with Seth Rogen. I don't even know if this is out yet, but that they were all in Las Vegas and they were going to go to the sphere in Las Vegas with Seth Rogen and that Brian Cranston is not somebody who's done any drugs in his life and nor was Catherine or Hera, but they basically agreed to eat mushrooms with Seth Rogen to go to this. I don't know if it was one of those dead in-co shows or what was happening in the sphere. I guess the story was that Brian Cranston ate the mushrooms and then Catherine or Hera checking out and didn't eat the mushrooms. That also the mushrooms did nothing to him. They didn't have enough of them. My point in that is that whatever that project was, the sphere was in Las Vegas. We're talking about something that was being filmed fairly recently. I think I might have an answer to that unless there were working on other things, but I saw that. I think one of her last credits or one of her last roles was in the studio. Oh, okay. That would make sense. Yeah, that's his show. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she was, no, of course. I mean, I can't take that out. She plays a huge role in that show. She plays basically like the person who used to be the head of the studio, I believe. I think she was the head of the studio who gets fired, which is why Seth Rogen is able to then ascend. But he has this relationship with her because he sort of owes her. She kind of gave him his career and he respects her opinion. So she sort of comes back to the studio, but in a more sort of like as a consultant role and they have a lot of really great scenes. I mean, I forgot. Yes, she's amazing in that. This is what I'm saying. Yeah. She's been so good in so many things that like I can't even remember all the things that she's been in of late. Yeah. I do think that depending on kind of, I don't know how you navigate the culture and your age range. Like I do think that like home alone, shits creek, beetle juice and the government movies. I mean, anybody would take any one of those and I even mean as far as workers concerned. I mean, as far as legacy is concerned and talent. And I was just, I mean, now we're in that phase where everybody on Blue Sky and social media is sharing so much just amazing moments and little clips. I mean, there's a, I watched Best in Show maybe once or twice, but it's not a movie. I remember all that well other than enjoying it. But somebody just posted the scene of her tripping. She trips over nothing basically, but then starts blaming people who put something down that I would trip over and then she gets up and she's saying, I'm fine. I'm fine. It's just my knee. And then she just goes into the funniest walk. I have seen this side of money. Python. She's wearing these high heels and she's saying her knee is fine. And she's walking around and she clearly can't walk and it is, it is, it's amazing. I also have this, I want to play this clip for you. This is a shits creek, which is, you know, she, she's showing her, her watching the tripping scene. Oh, you watch it. I forgot how they do her hair for this movie. It's like a ridiculous, it's like full specter. You're taking a mug shot. I might end up using this as, she's doing a stanky leg. Yeah, she is, her leg is stank. She has a stank. She has a stank leg. Well, on stanky leg. So I might use this as intertape on Monday as well, but I don't think you can have too much Catherine O'Hara these days. So here was a little clip that I had not seen before from shits creek where she's, you know, showing her son, her adult son, David, a family recipe, but they're both clearly useless in the kitchen and they get to this instruction that confounds them. Is this not your mother's recipe? Yes, and now I'm passing it on to you. So try to keep up. Um, oh, next step is to fold in the cheese. What does that mean? What does fold in the cheese mean? You fold it in. I understand that, but how, how do you fold it? Do you fold it in half like a piece of paper and drop it in the pot or what do you do? I cannot show you everything. Okay, well, can you show me one thing? Ha, ha, ha. You just, just fold it in. Okay, I don't know how to fold broken cheese like that. I don't know how to be any clearer. You take that thing that's in your head and you, if you say fold in one more time, it's has folded in. This is your recipe. You fold in the cheese then. Don't you dare. You fold it in. David. David. David. I mean, I feel like we've had a conversation at some point, maybe in an interview, she talked about the accent. She talked about whatever her decisions were around Moira's. What is it? Is it just like, it's insane. I mean, it's insane. It's kind of like a person who watched a Catherine Hepburn movie 20 years ago and is trying to, it's like a person who's in a movie about a person who is pretending to be rich, but doesn't really know how to talk like a rich person. It's so, it's so perfectly weird. I mean, it really comes out in that intro tape that we were playing where she's doing the ads and stuff, but it's just like, just the accent alone is legendary. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing, amazing career in person. Yeah. So, Rest in Peace, Catherine O'Hara, we are fans and you were incredible. You were amazing. All right. Well, with that being addressed and discussed, I have a follow-up Friday question for you, Sarah, which is, do you want to just slow it down and say, I don't want you to rush this question. I want to think about the question. Now, whenever you're ready to ask the question, I'm ready to answer it now, but I just want to make sure that you're doing the same thing. Do you have big weekend construction plans? Big weekend. The biggest one I've ever had. Big weekend. Although you actually said before the show, they're not this particular crew that's doing construction, you're not working through the weekend. They're taking Fridays, the quittin' time. Yes, I believe so. So today, so the construction started on this little basement kitchenette area that we have, which is a very, we feel very lucky to have this little area in the basement that has a kitchen sink and a little hot plate that kind of works, but it's just the grossest materials installed just as terrible as you can imagine. At one time, your basement was being used as another living area, sort of an ADU. There was a bit of a kitchen kind of situation down there so that somebody could live there, right? I think it, honestly, and I love this house, and it worked out well for us to live here as one family unit and use the upstairs and downstairs, but I think it's literally criminal that they rented out the bottom of that. Of course. What they did was to turn this into a quasi-living space for somebody and to put in this tiny little kitchenette, but I took a video of it, or I took some photos of it before they tore everything out, just to remember how awful it was. Like, the counter was like this, you know, that fake marble stuff. It's like the ugliest fake marble you could probably imagine. But then it was just like glued in, it was supposed to be kind of clear epoxy or something, but it was just like, globs of it turning brown all over the place. But you know, already on this kind of gross surface, I mean, everything about it was just really rough and it had always been my, and you know, some of the particle board of the very cheap cupboards beneath were swelling up and exposed. It was just like, it was as rough as somebody who, as I was going to thought to say, as rough as you can imagine, but I mean, that's not true. But we're lucky that we are able to improve it and be picky about these things, but I, Genevieve and I had been talking about, you know, putting some flooring down down here and doing some improvements. And then I think something just hit me. I'm like, well, what if we just sort of dream big like before we put a floor down like this kitchen at some point has to be redone? Like it was really, it was hurting my soul. Like to look at it was hurting almost, almost worse than not having a functioning sink. It was just like, it just seems so like kind of just, I don't know, to look, remember we were talking about getting in our cars in the middle of winter when you haven't cleaned it in a long time and you just look at all the, the upholstery stains and the floors and it just kind of gives you that bad feeling. I was just getting a bad feeling about that part of the house. And so we are now kind of doing something we have never done before, which is like pulling, you know, we hired somebody to pull it all out. And then also the folks we hired are helping us sort of conceive of what to do there. And I didn't know, I don't know if this, I still don't know if this is a normal way of doing it or not. But I told you before the show were sort of building the airplane in the sky a little bit because they wanted to kind of tear everything out to sort of see what we can work with as they continue to help us like kind of decide what kind of cabinetry to build or shelving if it's open shelving or enlightening decisions. But this is also leading to the fact that we have some pretty major electrical issues so we're getting a whole new breaker box put in, which will be part of this, which is, you know, something that also has been bothering me for a long time knowing that whenever anybody looks at the electrical, you know, the work in this house, they're always like, oh, this shouldn't be Scotch tape together. And this shouldn't be a charring black here on these wires. So having somebody who's working on a project at a place that I've lived, who's opened a wall and ever said anything good about any of the prior workmanship. Yeah. Number one. That is true. But I'm not saying. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. My point in that is not that you're getting flimflambed. It's just that it is the ritual. And by the way, it's probably because I've also mostly had really old homes that somebody did some really crazy stuff. But it's just always like that moment where the person is looking and they're going, I don't know, I don't know what they were thinking when they did this. I know that if you're installing something, I know that you're going to, at some point, need shims or something to steady something or level something out. And then you build around it and it disappears into it. But I was gone most of the day yesterday. And so when I left, they were just starting to like kind of disconnect the sink. But then at some point midday, Genevieve sent me a little video of their progress and everything had been pulled off and gone. I'm surprised you guys didn't do the demo yourselves to keep the cost down. Yeah. I think, well, we had talked about that or maybe helping with that. But I think they're going to carry it away too. I don't know. But anyway, so, but Genevieve sent me this video and it was just amazing how many shims there were. And they were just like the cabinet, a whole bunch of them like then like I'll show them to you later like taped together with blue masking tape. I mean, the floor was just littered with all of it was all put together and I guess they were like this. So it's like this. This cabin tour wildly not level and just a little shimming like you said, particularly if you're installing a door, you have to shim out a door. These are normal things. And there's like we have a two by fours with the shim that we've just jammed under the base together. It's so massively out of level. Yeah. I think one of the shims also had like somebody's soul of their boot taped up into it to make it a little bit wider. Sure. Right, by the way, the shims. Oh, I do like the shims. Yeah. So anyway, so I'm pretty excited. But the thing that we're kind of doing is so they're tearing everything out. But we don't have decisions yet about everything that will replace it. Like Genevieve just ran out today to buy a new sink. So we're going to have a nice new sink in there and Genevieve actually got one. You go in under mount. I don't know what that means. You know how a lot of the sinks now, if you have, what do you know what you're going to go with for the countertour? You're doing butcher block. I've also been texting with Genevieve about this. But so an under mount sink is where the sink is mounted underneath the countertop. Oh, whether it's the suite, but no, it's not that fancy. No, it's okay. I mean, it's actually, you know, if you're buying a new sink, it's not, I mean, you said fancy. It's just that they just screw it to the bottom of the countertop instead of screwing it or gluing it to the top. It's not necessarily a more expensive thing. It's just, and if you're starting over, you could always do that. But is she going to the lows to get a second? No, no, we have it now. So this is what's kind of cool is like we're sort of all just sort of in this together. So our designer, the guy who's working with us and I'm a designer and worker and he's doing everything Adrian is his name. He just texted us this thing. He's like, this is at Costco right now and this is a steel. It was a steel at its origin. Like this whole sink plus like, you know, the, what do you call those, those faucets that are kind of like almost an industrial sink faucet with the spring around it or whatever. Yeah, I don't know what that's called, but that is what I have too. That is like kind of the way to go these days. Yeah, which is interesting because we're just fielding some questions on the spotless podcast about how to keep that springy thing clean once it starts to go to sure. I have some thoughts on that. But anyway, yes, so we got the sink with that faucet and like basically it did a really, really good price and it's really important for me to have that functionality down on the basement sink for like, because I'm cleaning like these big thermoses sometimes. And I mean, that's be able to do that. So I'm very excited about that. But we're sort of just sort of like making these decisions kind of as we go along. Now this is going to be so you're eventually you're going to replace the cabinets. You're going to do um, uppers and lowers. Yes. First of all, we're not sure if they're going to be like cabinets less cupboards or open shelving. And are you, do you know where you're going to get the cabinets from? No, because it kind of depends on what we end up deciding it should look like or what style we want. I would say don't sleep on IKEA. Ikea has got actually good stuff that's that can be reasonably priced. I think it's a step up stylistically from like what you'd get it at home depot or lows. I mean, they've got the stuff too, but like you don't have to overspend on the cabinets. You can, you know, the like I said, that's what I did my boat, the ADU kitchen and the kitchen in my little house is I was pretty happy with the stuff that I got from them. Just as a thought. But here's my main question to you because you know, this is my whole I'm Mr. Cote Hook fantasy um, moment, whereas like on one of these projects or stuff I've been doing at my house, I'm always like, and then the moment's going to come when it's all done and I'm going to have this experience. Do you have a moment like that in your mind like that you're dreaming of that you're excited about whether it's getting ready for pop up or whether it's fixing yourself a little snack at night between dark throws like what do you what's your dream use for this space when it's all done and nice. So and I don't know if I'll be able to do this. I you don't want to build up to it too much because then if it doesn't feel as satisfying in the moment, it'll be a disappointment. But I then just find a new thing to obsess over and do it for years. But I cannot wait for my first sponge bath in the new sink because I can get. We have to be videotape that. Oh yeah. It's so adorable. You in the sink. I say I say Google Gaga a lot while I'm while I'm doing it. No, I guess to the degree is just like I'm just picturing the moment that it's all clean and nice and as I as I pass through it is like it's funny. It's not like I'm picturing like when we boil water on the new hot plate or whatever it is. It's just like it's this area that I'm constantly passing through and it's where refrigerator is as well. It's like my my things are a little bit more practical. Like I just can't wait to have a little bit of like stability around some of this electrical work. Like it's all felt very insecure to me for a while. Is it not been tube? I think the upstairs is we're not even getting into. Yeah, don't worry. We're not even look at that. But just don't even don't even open that. But but definitely what they did to this basement was they just you know brought in workers and they were just like just cons exactly and like we literally we had a electrician electrician electrician out here the years ago who said okay well I fixed this one thing but I would not plug your microwave into this thing here like to have I wouldn't turn on anything in the house ever. Yeah, to have plugs in your house that you're like oh you probably shouldn't use that like it's just it'll just be really nice to say okay no we're having responsible people install. He's putting in a couple of extra circuits like he's going to install it properly so that when we when we see a plug we can use a plug you know just like stuff like that is going to feel so good to me and then as far as like just the design like I told you that it just was giving me a really there's just one part of the cupboard I know I'm obsessed with it but it was kind of like whatever veneer was on this cheap cupboard below the sink had peeled away and maybe bingo would scratch at it sometimes although it looks like that although I don't I don't see him do it that much but it was just like the white the cheap white veneered peeled away so all of the particle board particle board was just swelling and falling it's been hard to do. Yeah and just like falling apart like shit like bad peeling away and so like I just picture like when we have this is the first time that we've ever just been able to say like well we're investing in this this is our forever project we do it we do it to what makes us feel good we make that decision and then we're not just like we're not formatting our lives around other people's decisions about lighting or whatever it may be knowing that it's like our decision and we're going to set it up the way we want and then when I pass by it to grab a fresca out of the fridge or whatever just be like looking around like there the area where our refrigerator is down here is it's like it's not even particle board I don't know how to describe what they they made this little cut out in the wall that sort of separates it from where our hot water heater and stuff is on the other side but it's just like this it's very thin it's better than cardboard but not wood just very thin white some sort of material that is just like was screwed in place with huge gaps in everything so you can like look through it to see the litter box or it's just like it was never it was never like what would you call like built out essentially with an actual drywall and whatever and so like we're just going to get that taken care of and it's just going to seem more like a real space like a real space that has some intentionality to it so I'm just looking forward to just like feeling like oh there's a there's a finality here there's a like there's something that actually makes me feel good when I look the opposite of what I was feeling when it was giving me the bad feeling somebody's got some good staring in their future exactly and I'm very I still do that around here you know and in fact that's the Moderna Hill Studios not even done yet like I need to this spring Walt 90 to actually install speaking of under mount sinks there's this kind of kitchen island thing behind me that you and John were we were all utilizing when we were doing the thaw from here and that is still exactly like it was when you guys were here it's like still that needs to have a whole cut in it first of all needs to be sanded and then like stained so that it's waterproof then it needs a whole cut in it so that the sink can be under mounted but all that is to say even with things not fully done here I still to this day I'm like we'll just go sit in the corner of my little living room and stare at some other part of the house and just remember how it used to be very satisfying yeah very satisfying feeling and I'm glad to hear for you and Veeves because you guys both work really hard and and you guys but totally I more than earned the experience of like making your house that you love kind of the way you want it to be not making like well let's just try to figure out something that's the least expensive option to make this tolerable for a little bit longer but rather to just say yeah we live here we look at this every day we've saved the money let's let's let's actually do this in a way that makes us really happy I'm sending you pictures right now via text it's like the the things that I've been describing to you like close-ups of just like whereas just like this nasty brown glue that was supposed to be clear at some point that's keeping the old sink in place or what had you so how long are they and this is the other thing too you know I mean this project seems like it's pretty fairly contained but like what's the kind of what's the what's the timeline you're being given and I might experience almost always goes longer than than the thing supposed to take honestly I don't know and I think that that's because and again I don't know that we approach the way most other people would but I'm glad that we found somebody who's willing to work with us in this way it's a little bit like jazz Luke and when they say when you're doing a home reno you should just improvise a lot yeah and it should be a lot like well like Moira scatting it's you would have been you who put that sink underneath it could have been you so it's a little bit unclear what again like what kind oh well another huge part of this is we have these two like kind of deep I guess you would call them cupboards but they're basically just big holes in the wall now because we've torn the they they've torn the the cupboard doors off of everything but it's this like very weird deep storage space that is in this area as well kind of on the other wall on the outer wall of the house and it's just like we throw tons of stuff in there and they're big air they're big spaces like I could I could physically crawl up in there if I took everything out I couldn't stand in there but it's like smaller than a closet bigger than a cupboard which is a game I just like to play a camp and and so anyway Adrian's also looking at just like he's he's still like sort of looking at various options of things that we can either buy or that they can sort of build in their shop that will be sort of like an appliance cabinet or when you open one door a bunch of other stuff will sort of swing open so we can so like some shelving can kind of swing out and we can kind of take advantage of all of the space and stuff are these things you're describing because I'm looking at the photos now are they to the left of the sink or what was the sink yeah these and then blocked by the blocked by the cabinets one of the doors being blocked by the cabs that are above the sink that's when you know yes that's when you're dealing with really forward thinking thought out craftsmanship when people just like oh we need some cabinets above the sink so we'll put them in even though they technically block a different cabinet type door to open like that's like that is really that's that's that's that's that's I'm glad you're getting rid of that yes exactly and I I'm looking for photos on my phone that if I if I if I kind of took any details of that particular situation but you're describing it perfectly like everything was just thrown in there so that you couldn't open the cupboards because it would slam into other cupboards so they just didn't care I cannot stress enough how little they whoever put this stuff in just did not care I doubt that the person who owned the property was even even here I'll bet you they were just hiring people and just saying I want this I want that and maybe had somebody and here's how much I'm willing to pay for it and and that was zero probably yes well I'm really stoked for you know obviously this is a subject near and dear to my heart I'm very excited for Veeves and Rodin and I have already we've been on a on a on a on a side channel on a signal chat you did you didn't name that chat because of that text chat like because I'm not it's you Rodin and Veeves doing yes sharing home stuff right yes exactly but that satisfaction like Veeves and along that picture of basically like the space all like now demoed so then it's all kind of scour like everything's gone now you're just looking at the kind of like the bear walls and now you're going to start over again with that like that is that's like so just having the stuff out of there must be like a great feeling it is I thought it was going to be a bad feeling to be honest with you because I'm not somebody who likes in between times like I really wanted to like and like well why would you tear everything out before we know what we're going to be putting in there and they were like well it does help to sort of get a better sense of the space and I was like okay that's fine if there's an answer to it but I was like I don't want to just make this part of the house unfunctional because even though I'm complaining about the bad feeling like we had a working sink down there that I used a lot you know and like you know a lot several times a day and so I was like well I don't want to get rid of the functionality until we're ready to put something there you know but I guess it made sense to do it this way and it does seem to make sense now that I'm sort of living through it but I've never done anything like this before so I can't remember exactly what you said that led me to that oh well I one thing I also just sort of like is oh what are you gonna say oh no I was just reminding what I was saying was that having all of the old kind of funky cabinets and everything out of there was a good feeling and you were saying you weren't sure how you were going to feel about it when you saw it yeah but then when we've sent me that video I was like oh this is nice to see it and these guys are just like they're so meticulous like this is a very small thing but like part of my you know just kind of apprehension about anything like this is like well you know how much I love my living space right Luke like even if it's yeah like that's one of my problems generally speaking is I like nice living spaces but I'm also just deeply lazy about doing it and we're talking with Cassie earlier this week and you two were sort of like me thinking you wake up in the middle of the night you're thinking about drapery or whatever the next thing it's like I'm not like that like I want to be in a nice space but I don't like shopping I'm pretty lazy about these things and at the end of the day I don't want my little darts routine to be messed up I want to listen to my podcast and play darts you know like I don't I don't usually do well with sort of change or certainly like kind of transition if there's a difference between those two um and also just the chaos of it messiness or whatever but then people in your house yeah but when I came in yesterday and I sort of saw this from the photos Genevieve sent me to but when I got back last night maybe around six o'clock or something like that to come downstairs and see it's all torn out but also like really clean like that's nice this is my kind of it's that's great that's great that's so clean much in Luke this is the thing there was just a few there was like a shop vac they're using our shop vac um and they're like maybe there was a need a hammer a crowbar and some other like kind of a long tool like that in a little tool and then some little toolbox that has like an all-purpose tool in it what do you call those things what is that all-purpose tool that everybody talks about it does a leather man not like this all-purpose tool what are the some of the purposes is it prying things is it hammering things it's a it's I don't even know I know the Genevieve wanted one for while it's a power tool of some sort but it's in a little brief casey thing okay it's called a multi-doll is it just called a multi-tool is there a chance that there's something of that generic name it doesn't really matter my point of this is like there were like four there were like one little case and four tools on the ground and they were all lined up neatly like we talk about nolling sometimes but they were like they were all laid parallel next to each other the way I would leave it you know me and I was just like that's a great feeling I was just like oh that is like I wouldn't have thought of that as a signifier but it was like oh wow this these are our people totally because sometimes when you have folks working on your house that's not their system they're just like it's just gonna get dirty again we're just like it's a construction zone and then there are the folks that like the last 20 minutes of every day is like now we're doing now we're cleaning now we're sweeping now we're putting stuff away now we're leaving this so that it's you know going to be a good place to start tomorrow and that's like definitely the preferred I have had over the course of the years with doing a lot of work here and mostly it being me and my dad but also hiring some of it out a variety of experiences with that and it's definitely like a lot better when the folks like to clean their job site the job site before they're done for the day yeah it's such a yeah it says I like it in both practice and what it signifies and I guess this thing I was trying and sorry again I know nothing about tools but yeah I am talking about something called a multi tool and I know Genevieve wanted one of these I think she even got one it's like if you look a cordless multi tool it's like an oscillating sure yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't know what it does well what it does is it has this blade on it and what you can do is you can put it's basically a way of cutting around things and like getting behind things so for instance if the cabinets weren't like coming off of the wall because there's some let's say there was a screw that was holding the cabinets on the wall but that screw itself like it's stripped out the head of it is stripped out and you can't actually use a screwdriver to unscrew it you could use the multi tool to just go behind the cabinet potentially and literally cut through the screw it's just got this kind of vibrating oscillating little blade thing that's just very handy to cut into various things and cut into weird areas when you can not to be confused with a sawzall which also will work for that too by the way like a Milwaukee sawzall which is basically just like a thing that has a long blade on it and you can use that for cutting around things and cutting things up but um anyway the what was in that case didn't really matter the my point was just sort of that the good feeling that I got like walking into this little job site when I got home last night I was like oh man this is this is really good so uh you obviously through next week and maybe the week afters is you said you don't know the timeline I mean you have some sense this is in a month long job this is probably a week long job right no I think it'll be longer than that I especially depending because they're doing other jobs too oh are you doing can lighting like what's the lighting yeah so I think we're maybe we're just getting a conversation about that like there was already there's just like all this random can lighting up in the ceiling on different switches that makes no sense oh nice so we just got this there's one up there now and so even I actually just got into a disagreement in front of him that's the one problem about trying to like figure this out on the fly is also you're then having some pretty tense conversations when I'm like why do you think that I did this whole home project as a divorcee yeah right because the previous home project I did it was not as a married person boy there are some stressful times intense times so there's this one light that they this terrible ceiling fixture with just terrible lighting that they sort is sort of it stuck down instead of being flush with the ceiling it's stuck down from the ceiling by about an inch and a half or something like that which blocked a cupboard are you you would open a cupboard to go don't don't you can only open the cupboard about three quarters no no or something like that and anyway so so he's going to totally remove that and then yeah put another can up there but then and then he was saying and probably put another one over here right I'm like yes for symmetry like basically just two of them above us and then Vives and I are thinking also potentially depending on what our cabinetry is some lighting underneath the cupboards kind of above the sink in and everything and and Genevieve's like no no just one light is fine the one that's already there just put a basically a can light up there and I'm like well we want to one on the other side and she's she couldn't understand why we would want that and I think that the workers were like yeah you they weren't way because otherwise you're going to have part of this kitchen area that doesn't have any overhead light well it's a very small area so I think Genevieve's point was like well how much light do you need in here it's going to be super bright and I and I was saying well I would like it to be on a dimmer too like two lights on a dimmer and she's like well why are we why are we doing that if if one light will do and I and at one point Adrian just said I think it's symmetry symmetry and I was like yeah it's just like because we're doing it and so that's where maybe some of the tension is like I don't want to just say yes to everything as if money has no meaning but we're only going to do this once in our life and yeah I don't want to look at like why didn't I just do it right this is this is how these projects by the way I can see both of your perspectives on this because like this is also how like projects like this or you know what I mean home improvement stuff when you're hiring people how can kind of get like out of hand because there is a mentality of going like well the walls are already going to be open the ceiling is already going to be open let's we might as well do it now but you might as well put in that gold toilet exactly like I mean we'd look you know we've already got the plumbing we're already digging you know let's just do the gold toilet like you can get into a mindset where it's like and that's as you would imagine more my tendency is like well we might as well you know completely redo the whatever because we've got the wall open and when we're going to have the wall open again and you got to be careful that that doesn't just cause the scope of the project to go wildly crazy but on the other hand there is something to that when are you going to have have somebody there who's going to cut into the ceiling and put a can light in and you know like you might as well that can light is going to cost you an extra I would probably for the labor and the parts and whatever it's going to cost you three to four hundred dollars exactly what I was thinking you know and and you will forget about that three to four hundred dollars but for years to come when you turn the light on it will just be a little bit better and I'm I'm kind of I'm and I love the idea that we were talking about it and I was the one who threw it out there because me and Adrian were just talking about lighting and I was like you know what I can remember what he said and I was like you know what I am weird about lighting because he was like talk because what we have in there right now is just really really garish and it's like three different switches for three different things that are anyway it just doesn't it whoever install this stuff they did it without any rhyme or reason yeah but you know how much I talk about lighting and so like you do it's a big deal to you so as I'm having this conversation I'm like yeah lighting is important to me and so you were asking me before about like what what is maybe like a coat hook moment for me or something like once I sort of realized like oh yeah Adrian let's put a dimmer switch there and like I can come in here and we can like my favorite time of a kitchen is like after dinner like nine or 10 o'clock at night now this is our kitchen that we're not actually doing real cooking down here anyway but then you just turn on like the the little overhang on the stove exactly on the lamp or whatever and just has that little glow the kitchen is all clean you can still talk about this a little bit but like that's a new ice depositing into the ice maker oh that's right I wish I had yeah I wish I had that but yeah the rumble of the ice maker I love the idea of like coming down here going around the corner playing dark coming around the corner to grab a beer or a soda or something and like just say having this nice warm glow with these fatable lights like that to me stirs something oh it's stir I'm going to I'll be there for the I'll be there for the ribbon cutting me the day one man I'm excited I've run out of project and an Alexander wept and perfects and are wept because there were no more rooms to remodel but now I got a new project it's yours you know it's interesting and this is something that came up is like because Veeves and I like we wanted to be modern and simple you know you you kind of know our tastes and the basement has a little bit of an industrial feel to it anyway and usually lean into kind of the industrial nests of design sort of like I don't know if it's industrial but I put those little lockers in my basement bathroom that I kind of like it's a little but we're looking at photos of like kind of open shelving sort of but one of the things that we're looking at was also that kind of open shelving that's made of actual like physical pipes you can actually see the pipe fittings sort of sure yeah and then it's got like wood kind of shelves yeah on the kind of like yeah that that piping I know that and I think I'm changing a little because there's a time that I think I would have really wanted that like I really like simple but like quasi industrial I could see that really working for me but like I don't know I don't know if it's because it feels does as somebody who pays way more attention to this stuff who pays any attention to the stuff compared to me everybody is an expert but like that sort of feels like of a different it seems like that that was very popular a while back and now it seems a little bit past and it feels like I don't want that I don't want that sort of like rough-ewn piping where you can you know you might have an elbow joint there whatever it feels a little it feels a little Q doba e or not not Q doba or even like you if you went to a brewery yeah yeah a little bit like a brewery or like why can I think of what is the Chipotle not Q doba what is with my brain that I'm going to Q doba before Chipotle but you know how Chipotle has that neighborhood yeah but you know the cuisine standpoint it's but Chipotle has that really industrial they usually have that galvanized metal in there you know and all of that stuff and it just felt a little bit like that to me I I think you're so I think you're so right and again I don't want to like I don't want to start weighing in on design decisions because you guys obviously can do that for yourself but one thing that I when I was doing stuff around my place and I guess I'll find out in 10 years of oh successful or not I was trying to be really aware of like what is variant style right now and what is going to be very obviously something from 10 15 years ago yeah in 10 15 20 years there's a lot of really popular really elaborate tiling schemes that people do now and I and I you know they look great right now but they're very like something I just was trying to make it so that if you ideally if you walked into my place in 10 years you wouldn't have that moment that we've all had we're like oh so this was remodeled in 2023 like I remember when that was the most you know popular way to do that and now we're not doing that anymore and it's very much of a time I was trying to kind of like just keep it nice and general yes it were just like something that's gonna hopefully you know jeans and a white t-shirt right right of finishes like so you know you know with a few different things that I feel like I can swap out later like the cabinets that I put in I could paint them they're like a kind of a faux wood that I like right now but I think they will look out of style in a while but I also can just paint them a solid color so all that is to say I think you're smart to avoid anything that's like really really in style in the moment because it just means it's gonna and then of course if you can wait 30 years it will go back in style yeah right you know do you want to have to be constantly waiting for the pendulum to swing back but and also I just don't know if it's my style anymore or or what I'm picturing for this and it's just I don't know this is probably just boring as I sort of think about this out loud but like kind of growing up not just growing up like in the rust belt but also being of the rust belt you know what I mean my dad in Cleveland Ohio Randall fabrication fabrication shop and so I always had an appreciation for like what he could would sort of do or have the guys in the shop do is he would say like I had the guys in the shop bend this up and I have this shelf now or whatever and you can do some pretty cool things that was a sort of like industrial design look that I like but I there's something about and this is where I'm gonna get a little bit rude towards artists which is really a lane that I want to be in but there's something about a lot of public art in Seattle that is that metal industry it seems to be born of that sort of metal industrial look like and I've said this before like a lot of the obviously not talking about our dear friend Megan Kelso like for a public art or you know like I love that I don't know if you've seen it or or how well it's holding up now but when they opened up I think it was the Capitol Hill light rail they had Ellen Forney who also was a TV tail guest at one point I remember yeah I love her style they did a whole wall of her bright be she did this huge mural in that so I love some of that public art but a lot of public art around Seattle is this metal kind of industrial look where you can sort of see the welds or you emphasize like you though those like sort of if something that will likely does get develop a patina as it sort of rusts maybe maybe oh no you're thinking more okay I know what you're I know what you're describing not exactly what I was saying like picture when you're at the baller locks and they have those sort of fit they look they're supposed to make you think of waves sort of but they're like you can see the rivets of the metal yeah and obviously look at a lumen field when you see that main you know the main view of lumen field when you're coming down from the south and you it has like three or four different colors of metal and it looks very 90s it looks very 90s industrial sort of grunge like a little bit of this and a little bit of that and then we're gonna weld it together and it's just kind of like I I don't know seeing too much of that style of stuff around Seattle has turned me off of bringing it into my own home well I'm glad I mean I'm glad you're thinking about this in advance as opposed to just kind of like I don't know going with that flow or or or not thinking about it in advance and then having it in your house and kind of wondering years from now if like that was the right call I think I think it's you're going at it in a smart way I'm just very excited for that moment for you when you walk into that little kitchen at area and you grab your beer and the light is just right and you're really showing dartbot whose boss and bingo is cuddled up somewhere and like everything is everything is right for at least a few minutes that's a good feeling they've come to calling bingo the foreman I believe the supervisor I believe bingo is just and I keep saying like you want me to put bingo upstairs like we have so many ways of he can have the whole upstairs half of the house right but they're like no absolutely I asked one of the workers and he's like no Adrian would be mad that's his that's his supervisor like you think go is part of this project all right let's thank some donors these folks are making tb-tale possible with their donation and we are sure grateful I'll tell you what Andrew let me also while we're on the subject if this is okay let me remind folks that if you are someone who is what we call a dazzling donor if that's the donation amount that you've been donating at we sent out an email a little while ago sort of giving folks the opportunity to fill out a little form basically as a dazzling donor we will happily read a message from you about just about any topic you want and and we have we're very blessed that we have a pretty decent list of dazzling donors but if I understand right we haven't we've heard back from from a handful of folks but there's still 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actually seen them as just like the levels of comedy and weirdness to them they would you know they do these like this little game like will something could you blend something in like a super high power blender or will it float if you throw it in the water but when they would announce that that's the little project they were going to do he would have these two kind of almost rocket style models come out these women in kind of like a dress and eventually and they kept adding to the flare for these women and eventually I remember one of them one of them had an angle grinder she was wearing a cod piece of metal and then she just run this angle grinder on it and it would just shoot sparks I remember I remember I know nothing of this I remember they was like they just kept adding like the they just kept adding what was going on with these two kind of wibbid like sort of showcase models and I just remember letterman just spending the entire segment talking about the grinder that she had that she could grind on this like the piece of metal she was wearing so as to create sparks is so great. 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There's a question that you'd like to ponder that's right they'll get to it I promise thanks Dane thanks to Joyce Robertson in Seattle Washington a lovely lovely place to be from absolutely we know Joyce so we've met Joyce at the picnics and everything good to see your name I went Joyce thanks speaking of Seattle I went I'm I'm considering I'm going to talk after the donors just briefly I know we're already getting long in the tooth here and we're posting late today but I want to tell you about my football watching plans for the Super Bowl but I'm also thinking about breaking my long running no gear no like wearing Seahawks stuff to watch the Seahawks because I've been seeing so many cool vintage like Seattle teachers and then some that are not even vintage they're they're made new but they're like in the style of vintage yes yes yes like this is where the algorithm has really figured me out it's like he loves this football team but he isn't just going to wear like a Ken Walker jersey he liked something that looks like it was like in 1987 when we were rooting for the Seahawks there is some super clean looking retro Seahawks stuff that I see when I was getting on the plane I think leaving Vegas but heading back to Seattle so you have a lot of you know Seahawks fans on the plane I saw somebody you know how you get a great view of people's hats when you're boarding the plane you're usually first class so you don't see as many hats no I've been coaching it up lately that's for sure but somebody just had on that really sweet blue hat I don't they not royal just like Seahawks blue hat and it just says in plain text Seattle Seahawks and nothing more than that just Chuck Knox what is that was Chuck Knox Chuck Knox was our coach and he used to wear that was the hat he would wear just said Seattle Seahawks it was so cool like I'm not I don't think I've ever worn football gear I guess I had some Brown's t-shirts but I'd usually wear those under my other shirts anyway it just kept kept the Browns closer to my heart but you know like I'm not somebody who's ever like worn a baseball cap with a Browns or Seahawks logo on it I'm just generally not into football designs but I feel like the Seahawks are really locking it in on some of this retro stuff yeah they've got me figured out and then the algorithms have found me so anyway all that was on the subject of joy-speeing in Seattle I I don't know what my thoughts are on wearing Niteny Lions gear but I know that Shannon Kennen is in state college Pennsylvania out there and happy Valley do you know that I did have a Niteny Lions hat coincidentally I think it was a hat because my cousin got married there in state college when I was when I was in college myself or maybe I was a senior in high school or something I had no I I still don't understand what a Niteny Lion is and I thought that's a great question I've never taken a moment to actually ask myself what is what makes that Lion Niteny I don't know it doesn't sound fearsome that's for sure and I'm glad that they've decided to specify well thank you so much Shannon for supporting the show and then look who it is it's Lucien Banning they're in Olympia Washington just just a hop-skipping a jump from where I am right now nice thank you very much Lucien thank you to all of our donors for making TBTL possible this is a it's a minor miracle that we are here all these years later and it's because of you generous folks so thank you very much hello and welcome to top story um I was uh talking on I know at some point a while ago on the show about how if the Seahawks were to make the Super Bowl that would create a bit of an issue for me potentially because I am the kind of person who instead of thinking oh a Super Bowl watching party with a bunch of people that will be even more fun when my team is in the Super Bowl it's kind of the opposite I go into this really hyper anxious state of needing to like just have total focus for myself on the game and I just know that if I'm in a group setting there's just going to be a lot of people in the group setting who are what do they call them normal and just like hey it's a football game hey we're having some we're having some snacks hey I just watch it for the commercials like I know that that that's the more healthy and normal response I also know that that could make me lose my damn mind if somebody says the wrong thing to me in a in a sensitive moment so uh so I was like well I maybe I'll watch you know if the see I didn't think the Seahawks were gonna go to the Super Bowl first of all but I was like well they go maybe I'll just watch it at my house or something but that's of course very anti social and there's the very fact that like Becca's brother and his wife have for the whole time that I've known them they always have a Super Bowl party and particularly Darcy who's Becca's sister in law she loves putting the Super Bowl party on she bakes a bunch of great snacks and gets it already and the bar is stocked and it's like it's a kind of a yearly highlight for them and she and I are really friendly and we you know talk she I give her bedding tips on like she was there when Harrison butker did that dink that won me a bunch of money and that was what I think piqued her interest in sports gambling but anyway so I I had said at some point if the Seahawks get in the Super Bowl I can't come to this watching party because it's like I'm too crazy I'm too weird about this but then I also realized like what have I lost in my humanity if like when this team that I love is going to be in this biggest of games I have to be watching if I myself like Howard Hughes I have to be peeing into a jar and growing up my fingernails and and here in my house alone pacing does that indicate that this is a positive in my life that that's how I have to enjoy it or experience it so I was like what if instead of doing that I just learned and by the way watching the NFC championship game in Florida with Becca that was great for me because it forced me to watch the game and feel my feelings but also not become a complete freakazoid but you're still pacing you're still watching through a window which you know in a crowded room gets a little bit harder totally yes I was pacing I was watching from the balcony I was doing a lot of weird things but what I wasn't doing was yelling profanities or being like I wasn't I wasn't when a bad thing happened I wasn't going to a dark place that's like upsetting to be around if you're like you know with that person but you don't you know so much care about the game which is what I'm concerned about in this viewing party is that if something bad happens I'll be so mad I want to go like punch a wall or something yeah but but what I can do and what I experience with the NFC championship game is I can experience the highs and I doesn't I think I've I've been of the opinion that in order to enjoy the highs of these games I have to also experience the lows and the the feelings have to be so negative when it's bad so that then when it's positive I'm even you know and what I want on the NFC thankfully there weren't I mean there were some lows like in the NFC championship game certainly when they went ahead at the end of the first half and they through that little like touchdown pass I think to Williams and he was uncovered and he kind of scooted into the end zone and all of a sudden we're like losing I think 13 to 10 and there's a minute and something left and I'm like I'm like I felt bad about it but what I didn't do is I didn't start swearing I didn't start I did text you guys that they should take Rick Wollins helmet but I didn't say that's a backup I didn't say that to Becca that was important I didn't go like I didn't like start screaming at her about the fact that Rick Wollin had more taunting penalties than any other player in the league all that is to say I decided I'm gonna watch the game at Jeff and Darcy's house with everyone but I'm going to set up a separate viewing area near their house so they live on this big property that's actually the property that Becca grew up on there's like the house that she grew up in where her parents lived for many years and then this is in Salem in the Wollamit Valley then down the hill there's another home that's where Jeff and Darcy live and and then in between them there are these couple of barns one of them is called the white barn it's her mom is a phenomenal painter and one of the barns is where her painting studio is her mom kind of goes back and forth now between and like living in sort of a retirement home situation in Portland and then staying sometime back on the property in Salem but she still got this this barn the white barn and I realized what I the white barn is a two minute walk from Jeff and Darcy's house so what I'm going to do is I think we're literally gonna go down there Saturday night and stay over so that Sunday morning I can get up I'm gonna bring my projector from here I'm gonna bring my laptop I'm gonna bring my YouTube TV account and I'm going to set up an area where the game is playing where I'm projecting it in the barn right by their house so I can go out there if I need to stim if I need to go and do my thing I can go do my thing and then I can go back into the house I've got options and so I guess Jeff is actually maybe even today going to check the white I didn't ask him to do this it's very nice but he's gonna go out there and basically get eyes on everything and make sure that the Wi-Fi works sufficiently out there and that there's a good setup for me but I feel like this is fairly solemn on it yeah we'll find out together but like I predict that if you end up in in the white barn with or you know Wi-Fi I have a feeling that if you did was better if you end up in the in the white barn it's I have a feel no no I think it's gonna be fine but you're not gonna be there alone somebody is gonna come with you that's one thing that somebody else who cares about football unless you have like some sort of plans to uh barricade the door or something I just think that like no girls you live with a bad word one of my favorite one of my favorite jokes from the simpses is they have a Homer is a child that's a flashback and there's a sign that says no Homer's allowed or something is like but you have the other Homer there and it says no Homer's as in no I can't have more than one Homer anyway I have a feeling that like in the same way that like the back of the Eagles last week became the pacing parlor like I needed to be away from everybody and so I started pacing but then other people again I'm not saying that they were coming to talk to me but I think other people are just like oh good there's a p-pacing for each other yes and you just sort of end up pacing back and forth and like well that's fine I can see somebody but but it's gonna it's gonna be the it's gonna be anybody who follows you back to the white barn is I can only way I can say it is going to be invested in the game 100% you know in a way yes if someone's got that same energy and they need to go be in the you know in the in the weird pacing viewing area that's totally fine all are welcome but what I want to mostly do is make sure that like if my energy and anxiety levels go to some sort of place that I'm having a difficult time managing I'm not gonna be ruining the party for people or like overly intense about it I've got somewhere I've got a pressure release I can go somewhere else and watch it and and do whatever I need to do in terms of pacing and stuff now the other thing I was gonna say is what sort of helped me watching the NFC championship game is other than that moment where the Seahawks were losing where they went down in the the first half they they led throughout the game I mean they came back and scored a touchdown to end the first half and then they never relinquished that lead and now it was very scary it was very stressful there were so many times where it was like by way did you see that there's this analysis that the one of the plays that not the not the I think it might have been the fourth downplay when the Rams were about to they were on like the four or five yard line that basically there was these two plays that that Devon Wither spoon broke up the last the third down pass on the fourth down pass and I think it might have been I know it was a third or the fourth down pass but there was a play where DeMarcus Lawrence actually messed up his coverage but it saved the game for us it saved that down I've been when I tell you Andrew that I have spent the last couple of days just it deep deep into the schematics of the scheming of these games and cover high shell and da da da da like somehow what Tik Tok has decided to give me is dudes who are breaking down the Seahawks game like with the you know with the illustrator to and totally unbelievably specific degree like I have probably have there's there's probably not a game that I have more understanding of the scheming of the game and what worked and didn't work than that last game because all I've been getting on and I'm just watching it I'm endlessly fascinated so there was a play where DeMarcus Lawrence is supposed to blitz but either because he wisely saw that this running back was about to get past the corner back and basically get open in the end zone for whatever reason DeMarcus Lawrence breaks off his blitz and starts running back into pass coverage and effectively double covers this guy which means that Matt Stafford can't go there and Stafford has to end up going to this other guy in the back of the end zone and it's an incomplete pass but like like and then you see Mike McDonald on the sideline like yelling line like he's mad that DeMarcus Lawrence isn't blitzing but then he's like so happy when of course the coverage ends up working but okay so all that is to say I think would help me watching the UFC Champions League game was that the Seahawks were in scary but okay position throughout what will be the real test of the new Luke of Luke who can roll with it of Luke who can can keep a better perspective on these things will be how this game goes how the Super Bowl goes for the Seahawks if the Seahawks managed to come out to a pretty strong start I mean I think the Seahawks on paper are the vastly superior team to the Patriots I don't think that that ensures us a victory at all but I I would rather be us than them and what I would love nothing more you know the other thing I've been rewatching last night I rewatched all of the highlights of the Super Bowl against the Broncos oh the oh yeah yeah what a weird thing to do did just what they started with the ball they fumble right away what was the first they had a safety they I think it's the second play of the game they snap it overpaint man he goes out the back of the end zone so it was like like they we kicked off to them they had a they and they had had a safety so we were leading to nothing like a minute into the game yes I remember I didn't let off from there you know where I think I was nothing I said this is just for you by the way not the audience I think I was a Colin Campbell's house in Los Angeles watching that remember because I don't think anybody there were really Broncos fans or Seahawks fans but I was living in Seattle wait a second could that possibly be true hold on Luke this doesn't matter but help me out here I was an LA for both of the Seahawks most recent Super bowls yeah there's no way I was at Collins House for that sorry it doesn't really matter because the because you were involved in in both of them in some way or another you weren't in LA with me but the first one that we won was the one where I got to drunk to finish the show you and I were checking in via phone recording ourselves and then and I was holding that table for everybody at whatever that bar was called not the backstage the one in Criatown that was a Seahawks bar and I got to drunk to finish the final segment with you I said you got to do this yourself no judgment and that was the one we won so I was definitely not that we went the following year and then did you do a show on the one we lost you and I did not do a show that we weren't checking in like every quarter like we were for that one but I have a very distinct memory of that second one watching it at my friend's house and they were the two hosts the women who you know were living there and hosting the party were legit Seahawks fans and legit football fans at least one of them especially and so they were the opposite of like why is everybody so sad mode like they were they were devastated too and I remember you and I must I don't remember taking my recorder there but I remember being on the phone with you after that game we're both trying to console each other and I'm drunk and I'm outside in their bushes I have a memory of this I have a vague memory of being in their bushes and then they come and I'm record I swear I'm recording with you we must have brought our recorders just in case like wherever you were and me at their house because then I remember them coming in and like kind of crashing the recording and just be like what happened what happened what's the energy I needed to be around I was at this viewing party at a loft on capital where I had been the previous year so it had worked out year one but then year two and by the way you know the design scheme in that loft Andrew a lot of pipes yeah I've been there I think I watched the game with you there one time yeah so but anyway the true test for me will be how do I handle it when if the Seahawks maybe a don't get off to the hottest starter if there are some points in the game where there's a call that I violently disagree with or whatever that's where I'm going to try to you know particularly if I'm if I'm in the if I'm in the house with the normals watching the game I'm going to try to just remember it is in fact a game it is only a game and it'll be all right but I but the idea that like I have a refuge I can run to and get all my wiggles out yeah that's that's making me feel I'm feeling good about this I'm feeling like this might be this might be the perfect um solution to this because I can be around people that I like but I also can go be by myself if I need to I think it's going to end up being the kitchen of a house party you know how everybody gravitates where the kitchen like at first it's just like the shy there's like one Andrew in the kitchen with the cat or something and then another shy person comes in and you're both talking about the cat but then and I keep on making it sound like people gravitate towards me I don't mean it that way I just mean that people are always kind of like oh this is a chiller room in here or whatever and then it ends up being oh now everybody's in the kitchen totally it'll but you imagine fourth quarter all 25 people are in the barn there's no one in the house except for the host who's mad no no Darcy's in there too everyone for some reason we've all relocated the entire thing to this other place that would be actually kind of hilarious here I go once again with the email every week I hope that it from a female oh man it's not from a female all right a couple of emails or emails before we head on out of here for the weekend I'm doing my favorite thing ever Andrew which is I'm logging into my tvt look at which by the way it has been actually pretty it's worked well for me of like all my belly aching it's really funny to be we had our first experience where I really am the email administrator like I'm the Zach at Cairo or whatever you were having issues and you couldn't log in you know you've been vaping so much it said it said I got a new rig you got to see it it's about the size of a small Toyota for those who don't know this guy that we used to do it at the radio station was the most intense vapor but is his vape not pen what would you call it it was just a size of a small vehicle I believe they called it the tercell of vaping but anyway it was funny you couldn't get into your email and you got a note back that said well you have to contact your administrator and I guess I am the email administrator for a tvtl.net so there you go did you find what you're looking for I did thank you I mentioned this email earlier in the week you know it's been it's been a really tough time for people in this country and for our friends in Minnesota in particular right now who are experiencing this government action in a really acute way but for the rest of us it's also just been so sort of like it's a feeling of powerlessness and it's a feeling of being terrified for what this means for our country and then also having moments of fun like the Seahawks winning the NFC championship and it's like is it okay to enjoy your silly football team doing a thing at the same time when we have such awful things happening nationally and we started the show um I think it was Monday uh talking about because I was in Florida I was in beautiful warm Florida in the afterglow of the Seahawks winning and I just kind of didn't know if that was irresponsible of me to also be experiencing those kind of good feelings as well and we you and I both talked about that at the beginning of the show Sarah said hey fellas I appreciated your opening uh today about podcasting our beloved inane podcast to us all even when so much terrible shit is going on I felt very much seen uh when you talk about the murders and Minneapolis so thank you I get it I think we all get it and I will defend to the death you're right to podcast uh I've just bought another package of ice whistles link at the bottom if you're interested and I don't think you Aleuk and Becca needed to go to Minnesota to care all are true this shit is hard thank god for TBTL and thank you guys it's okay to feel joy even if the government is so goddamn bad this was the part of Sarah's email that I really liked she said some mountains feel too tall but they're not if we're climbing together oh well which I was like wow that's uh that's really really really well stated Sarah and you know the works in a little TBTL lingo there as well so Sarah thank you for that email that meant a lot to me because and you know that will not cure my crippling self-doubt about what our tone should be on a given week but um but I appreciated getting that from you Sarah thanks so much and I wanted to follow up with an email that I had referenced I believe on yesterday's show that I can't believe I have not written back to Molly yet by the way Molly sent this in three days ago and I was so excited to get this email I'm not joking you send it to me I was so excited to get this email that I did not feel like I should respond right away because I wanted to think about I wanted to write a proper email response but the problem with that is now it's three days later and I never wrote back at all and this is literally I can't rank every email I've gotten through the TBTL account since I started on this show with you look back in 2012 but this is certainly top five if not the most the email that has filled me with the most delight and it is referencing this tape that I was playing for you earlier this week I found this on an old VHS tape that I got at a garage sale I was digitizing commercials like I like to do as my hobby and for the first time ever I grabbed the tape that was minimally labeled it just somebody had written bubbles Easter on it and it did not involve your cat bubbles and I put it in and it was about 15 minutes of like what we would call like kind of home video only didn't take place in the home it seemed to take place in the bitter lake community center and it was a woman clearly behind the camera who was you know I can I can picture it even though obviously you never see the cameras probably up on her shoulder right then she's interviewing all of these kids who are getting ready for their big Easter egg hunt and then later on to make these big bubbles outside on Easter and it sounded like her name because all these kids are coming up to her and saying hi and it sounds like they're calling her dairy D E which was our my my my my heard before me neither and I thought maybe they're saying Terry but it's just like it's just this is some I'm gonna see I'm gonna hit play on this again just to reset the scene this is inside like a gymnasium I think in the bitter lake community center 1994 I should say these little kids are waving at her with their Easter egg baskets or whatever saying hi dairy hi dairy and I played this on the show because I wanted to see you know with our very Seattle based audience a lot of these folks being around our age who would have been kids around this time like does anybody know does anybody know any of the people in this do you know who dairy or Terry is I got this email from listener Molly the subject line is dairy with the D at bitter lake was the best double explanation point Molly says I was delighted by your segment about the bitter lake community centers 1994 Easter egg hunt with dairy I went to the elementary school adjoining bitter lake community center and I attended aftercare and summer camp with dairy if you do decide to upload to youtube let me know to brag I did win the all-american girl award from bitter lake camp one summer and while I don't know if dairy was the one who picked the winners I'm going to pretend that she had something to do with the selection so anyway oh I love this at one point dairy walks in front of the camera and I got eyes on her and I sort of describing her shoes wearing a button down kind of oversized you know it's 1994 so it's like this kind of oversized button down shirt with kind of big polka dots on it like big and at one point she got close to the camera and I can see that inside the big polka dots was another design like a kind of a design within the design but I couldn't tell what was inside and I need to go back to that tape and enhance enhance because Molly says by any chance was the polka dot over shirt that you described her wearing a Mickey or mini mouse themed shirt it's been a while and I would have been about seven or eight years old when I was a bitter lake camp but my memory is that she loved Disneyland and often were Disney themed a tire thinking back on it though perhaps she wore Disney related things because she was working with kids but anyway so I need to take a better look at that I forgot to check that before reading this this email but my goodness Molly I cannot put into words like I do all of this digitizing and it gives me a feeling when I'm doing it it feels special to me all the time I feel like I'm stumbling on something that is truly truly unique nobody else has this video cassette tape right like this is gone unless they happen to digitize it before they just loaded it into a box and you know put it up for sale at a garage sale I think this was a box that I even asked I'm like do you have any home video tapes you know like because I digitize commercials and I'm like yeah just take the box so like I don't think anybody has seen this since probably 1994 or 1996 I doubt there's any other digital copies of it and I kind of maybe take it too seriously I feel like it's really history and so I feel special to find this stuff but then to be able to come on the show and hear somebody say oh yeah I know that person like that I I literally you said yesterday something but maybe the Germans have a word for it maybe the Germans have a word for it because I don't know how to describe the emotion it gives me but it's it's good and it's delightful and it's some sort of joy that that feels even bigger than that to me so thank you mom it's like a connection also that's got to be the first time right that somebody associated with one of the things that you've digitized has actually like you know has made contact right yeah I mean certainly because usually what I digitize are TV commercials so actually that's not entirely true I have heard from people in fact we even had one fella on our show on after these messages because I digitized a McDonald's commercial from the 90s that included a kids choir they were singing I think it was a doesn't matter I think it was a pizza hot commercial because it was about deep dish pizza and all these kids are singing these high angelic voices then one of them takes a bite of the deep dish pizza and you start singing really low like this well somebody wrote to me and said I've been looking for this for a long time I'm one of the kids in the choir I and we had him on the show and he was one of the best guests we have ever had he was amazing and he recently got back into acting although he was invited into this set because of his you know involvement in his school choir but all that is to say that has happened several times for people are like I've been looking for this like I was in this commercial and that's really special too yeah well it was Molly was the name Molly yeah now do we have to then Molly do you can you give us more information on dairy I mean is that the next I mean we don't have to turn it into this but I mean are we trying to are we trying to interview dairy I don't know I'm just enjoying the fact that dairy was obviously an awesome teacher and person or whatever her exact job was that dairy was just really great at this and and that can be enough I would love to so here's the deal I so I keep on talking about all these tapes that I find like garage sales right but the truth is it's all a lie none of this is real it's all k-fape no I've only gone I've only actually acquired VHS tapes from two sources not counting some listeners who have sent me like one or two here and there but um it was two different garage sales and they were both in the is it the bitter lake area because there's this there's this neighborhood that has a neighborhood wide garage sale day every summer and views and I went two years not quite in a row um but it's kind of I'm I wanted to describe it to you as where somebody who we both know lives but um that would dox them anyway it's kind of a nicer area and I think when I picked up each of these boxes about two years apart I think I made a note somewhere of the address of the house because I think I told both parties like if I find anything that seems like special home movies or anything I will get it back to you or I will digitize it's got to and I am trying to figure out where I would have written that information down and I want to look into that because I was I don't have any contact information like a phone number or email address but I was literally the other day thinking if I can track down where I got this tape from should I knock on the door and just say hey listen I did find something that seems sort of like personal and I you know not not not intimate or anything but like but something that you guys might want and I've digitized it can I get it to you in some way and I was sort of wondering about that but maybe you're right maybe if Molly can help it would be a lot less creepy than knocking on somebody's door I'll tell you that much and then I wasn't thinking about having Darry on the show but that would be amazing if we were able to to do that well maybe we can just reach out via the imaginary radio and say Molly if you're hearing this and you have any more information or if you want to reach out to Darry let us know because maybe that would be that would be I bet you again I don't want to assume anything we also don't know Darry's you know still with this or not we don't know anything about this but like I could imagine hearing from one of her old sort of old students or kids that were participating in this program I bet you she'd love to hear from you and maybe that would smooth the way for us having her on and find out what was going on with all that adult disney behavior back in the day. That's absolutely your head of the curve on that Darry if you're listening. Yeah anyway really special times Molly thank you so much for that I'm just delighted. Yeah fun way to end the week a week that's otherwise got lots of unfun things going on so again thank you everyone for spending this time with us that is going to do it for this broadcast week but we are going to be right back here on Monday with more imaginary radio for all of you so please come on by for that in the meantime everybody have a great Friday have a great weekend as well stay safe stay warm and please remember now mountain tutel and good luck to all.