KSR

2026-04-16- KSR - Hour 1

42 min
Apr 16, 202612 days ago
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Summary

Matt Jones discusses Kentucky basketball's recruiting success after Zoom Diallo's commitment to replace Rob Wright, who chose to stay at BYU. The episode covers the implications for Mark Pope's recruiting strategy, upcoming player visits, and broader topics including public services, NIL costs, and fan psychology in college sports.

Insights
  • Kentucky saved approximately $1M in NIL budget by getting Diallo instead of Wright, enabling pursuit of additional targets like Freeman and Wilkins
  • Fan perception shifts dramatically with recruiting outcomes—fans went from 'we're doomed' to 'this is what we wanted' within hours of Diallo's commitment
  • Mark Pope's true recruiting test will be winning competitive battles against equal-resourced programs like UConn, not just outbidding competitors
  • The transfer portal has fundamentally shifted leverage to players, who now have multiple high-paying suitors and can demand premium compensation
  • BYU has become an unexpected recruiting rival due to Pope's Mormon connections and previous staff relationships
Trends
NIL costs for top-25 players increasing 65% year-over-year, creating budget constraints for programsWorst college basketball freshman class in years reducing available portal talent supplyPrograms increasingly using social media presence (Zoom Diallo/Rex in Effects song) as recruitment and fan engagement toolCoaches must now compete on vision and culture, not just money, as multiple programs have similar NIL budgetsMulti-year recruiting gaps becoming more common as players delay family planning (22-year gap example discussed)
Topics
College basketball recruiting in transfer portal eraNIL compensation and budget allocationMark Pope's coaching strategy and substitution patternsKentucky basketball roster constructionCompetitive recruitment against UConn and other power programsPlayer leverage in modern college sportsBYU as emerging recruiting competitorFan psychology and perception managementPublic services entitlements and legal rightsLexington infrastructure and city servicesNCAA tournament performance and draft prospectsTrivia night and community eventsAthletic director hiring processBaseball stadium food qualityGolf course par four standards
Companies
iHeart Radio
Podcast distribution platform mentioned for 'Puja Bhajjo' podcast availability
Apple Podcasts
Podcast distribution platform mentioned for 'Puja Bhajjo' podcast availability
Netflix
Streaming platform where comedians Amber Autry and Burt Kreischer have content
Comedy of Broadway
Lexington comedy venue hosting Ian Bagg, Tim Meadows, and Amber Autry performances
Clark's Puppet Shop
Local business mentioned as contact for event information
AVision Auto Glass
Local auto glass business mentioned as sponsor contact
University of Kentucky Athletics
Primary subject of discussion regarding basketball recruiting and coaching
Brigham Young University
Competing program for recruits Rob Wright and other players; Mark Pope's former employer
University of Connecticut
Competing program recruiting Freeman and Wilkins with equal NIL resources
University of Arizona
School that offered Zoom Diallo before he chose Washington
Gonzaga University
School that offered Zoom Diallo before he chose Washington
University of Washington
Zoom Diallo's previous school before entering transfer portal
Furman University
Alex Wilkins' previous school; played in NCAA tournament against UConn
University of Alabama
Competing program recruiting Alex Wilkins
Syracuse University
Competing program recruiting Freeman and Wilkins, possibly offering more money
Louisville Cardinals
Program that has invested heavily in NIL for next season
Cincinnati Reds
MLB team; Matt Jones attended recent game and has tickets to giveaway
KSR Bar and Grill
Lexington venue hosting trivia night and serving as broadcast location
People
Matt Jones
Primary host discussing Kentucky basketball recruiting and various topics
Shannon
Co-host providing commentary and analysis on recruiting and sports topics
Ryan
Co-host/producer contributing to discussion and managing show segments
Mark Pope
Kentucky basketball coach whose recruiting strategy and coaching decisions are primary discussion topic
Zoom Diallo
Point guard who committed to Kentucky, replacing Rob Wright; averaged 16 points and 5 assists at Washington
Rob Wright
Point guard who chose to stay at BYU instead of transferring to Kentucky despite higher NIL offer
Alex Wilkins
Forward visiting Kentucky; scored 18-19 points per game at Furman; potential top player if recruited successfully
Donnie Freeman
Player being recruited by Kentucky and UConn with equal NIL resources; key test of Pope's recruiting ability
Lamont Butler
Current Kentucky player; Zoom Diallo compared to him as a more scoring-oriented version
Jalen Lowry
Current Kentucky player; Zoom Diallo compared favorably to him in consistency
Jeff Goodman
Analyst who stated this may be the worst portal class of all time; familiar with Wilkins from high school
Stokes
Player close to Zoom Diallo; posted 'my brother' on social media; potential future recruit if committed
Mitch Barnhart
Current AD whose replacement is being searched for; expected to transition out after spring sports
Jackson Robinson
Player recruited by Pope from BYU; example of BYU connection in recruiting
Richie Saunders
Player with BYU connection mentioned in recruiting history
Colin Chandler
Player with BYU connection mentioned in recruiting history
Kobe Braia
Example of Pope winning competitive recruitment against Duke
Chase Burns
Reds pitcher throwing 165 mph; reason Matt Jones is attending games
Burt Kreischer
Comedian whose Netflix show addresses perception of only being known for taking shirt off
Ian Bagg
Comedian performing at Comedy of Broadway April 9-11
Tim Meadows
SNL and DMV TV show comedian performing at Comedy of Broadway April 16-18
Amber Autry
Netflix and social media comedian performing at Comedy of Broadway May 1-2
Tanner
Caller who got hole-in-one on par four at Sugar Ridge in Lawrenceburg, Indiana
Jeff
Caller suggesting Kentucky sweeten NIL deals to secure recruits
Roger
Caller asking about Grace Kipp from Santa Clara and NBA draft prospects
Kevin
Caller asking about road repair and public services in Lexington
Andy
Caller discussing Mark Pope's substitution patterns and their effect on recruiting
TJ Smith
Personal injury attorney sponsor; mentioned in ad read 'call TJ, he'll make them pay'
Quotes
"A person who is not generous cannot be an artist. The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers."
UnknownOpening segment
"I'm not just bringing a team, I'm bringing the winning team."
Matt JonesEarly segment about trivia night
"If you get him and you get Freeman, then I'm pretty, I think that's a really good class. Is it a final four team? I don't know, but it's a team that can certainly be good, very good."
Matt JonesRecruiting discussion
"I think Kentucky has to build their team, assuming they're not going to get Stokes. Okay. And then if you get him, he's like, you know, okay, now we take it."
Matt JonesStokes recruitment discussion
"The collective psychology of fans is really fascinating. It reminds me of when we hired Mark Pope and we hired Mark Pope for 12 hours. It was the worst thing that had ever happened."
Matt JonesFan psychology discussion
Full Transcript
No gloss, no filter, just stories, spoken without fear. A person who is not generous cannot be an artist. The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers. Listen to my weekly podcast, the puja bhajjo on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Come for the honesty, stay for the fire. Known for his crowd work, Comedy of Broadway in Lexington welcomes club favorite Ian Bagg, April 9th through the 11th, then from Saturday Night Live and the hit TV show DMV, catch Tim Meadows, April 16th through the 18th, and from Netflix and social media catch Amber Autry, May 1st and 2nd, for tickets to all Comedy of Broadway shows Call 859-271-Joke or visit ComedyofBroadway.com Comedy of Broadway I'm Matt Jones here on another beautiful day in Lexington, Kentucky. We are at the KS Bar and Grill where tonight is trivia. Yes, I am ready. You say you got the team that's going to win. Yeah, I'm not just bringing a team, I'm bringing the winning team. I hope you all out there will get your team. I'm working on questions all day today. You can get in here and get a spot perfect weather. Couldn't ask for a better night. So come on out. That's at seven o'clock. I think you've been having some friends coming that don't normally do it. So Clark's Puppet Shop phone line 859-280-2287. AVision Auto Glass Text Machine 772-7745-254. This edition sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. You call TJ, he'll make him pay. Ryan, I am tired because I went to the Reds game last night. You saw a heck of a game though. Kind of a fun game to watch, wasn't it? It was great. Ellie hit a home run that it's still going. That was fun and they scored. They don't score a lot. So they scored and Sal Stewart hit two home runs. It was a great time. The Reds still got to fix the food situation there. The food is so bad, but besides that, great experience. So the food situation is bad. Your seat has a rip in it. But it's still peaceful to sit there. Like the weather last night. Perfect. You know what I mean? Not too hot. You just sit there. You enjoy. I like the mid-week games because not many people there. So it's like no lines. That part I like. Well, just kind of fun. I just don't have any good food. They give you go to these other stadiums. They have great food. And then they are for some reason, you know, it's the same hot dog. And if they didn't have skyline chili conies, I would buy protest. Are there other places around the stadium? Like if you walked around the stadium? Yeah, no, they got a lot of stuff around. But are there any different food? They're just in the stadium. It's just not very good. It's Ask Anything Thursday. So here's the deal. Ask anything. You can ask any question. And we'll do it starting the next segment. 8-5-9-2-8-0-22-87. Or if you have questions on the text machine, 7-7-2-7-4-5-2-5-4. I also have two tickets. The Reds play at 12.40 today. I can't go. So I'm going to give my tickets away. Mario, if you tweet Mario with your email address before the end of this series. Mario will pick which one. So if you can go the games at 12.40, tweet at Mario, just send your email address. And Mario will pick a winner. Somebody can get behind home plate tickets for the game today at 12.40. And I think it's supposed to rain later this afternoon. But I think right now it's going to be perfect. And you get Chase Burns. You'll be right behind. Oh, he throws 165 miles an hour. See, I'm not a Reds fan. I'm a Chase Burns fan. I think that guy's going to be a superstar someday. Now we have this couple right here. This woman, we found out she is pregnant. Yes. She told us something that I was surprised. She's pregnant. Doesn't look like a day over 20. But she has a 22 year old and a 17 year old. Oh, you haven't said, but you have a 22 year old. So you had a baby 22 years ago and you're about to have another one. And I was like, that is impressive. I got to just give her a little round of applause. That's amazing. Good for you. That has to be one of the larger gaps that I can think of in years. And nothing in between. She's like, just 22 years later, I think I'm finally ready for the second one. But you look great. Six months pregnant. Look great. Fantastic. So continue doing well. So 22 years is a long time. Yeah, it is. And I think that got me thinking about, you know, if I were to have a kid now. Yeah. There's no gap because I didn't have one 22 years ago. But that would be so that, can you imagine just yelling and yapping and all that? Where, you know, obviously the Drew situation we have going as well. But he's younger than me. It's scary. What? Specifically to me. Yes. Why? If you had a kid right now. Why? Well, no offense. No one of you don't make you upset, but you got to get like, he's getting nervous. Shannon, I can see it on his face. You got a lot going on in your world. You're still a child yourself. Yeah. But I mean, I don't think I would do it by myself. There'd be somebody else there. Yeah. Well, a nanny or the mama. No, I mean, hopefully the mother. I mean, I don't think you would. I don't think I'm just going to end up with one. Yeah. But you got to contribute. Yeah. It takes two. I understand that. I thought you all would be more supportive of the theory. I mean, it's not going to happen. But there's something you want to tell us. No, there's nothing to tell you. I'm just, it was just a. I'm sure this cup right here didn't think it was going to happen. But here we are. What do you mean you don't think it may be you're saying they, you don't know their plan just for talking to them. Oh, you didn't know. Okay. Well, I'm sorry. Oops. Well, hopefully they, hopefully they're not listening on the, on the radio. 8 5 9 2 8 0 22 87. All right. So since yesterday's show, ton of stuff has happened just every hour. Something else was happening. It seemed like. So let's just go through here. The show ended very soon after Rob right picked to stay at BYU. Correct. Panic ensued. Yes, it did. I mean, there were just hours of people saying, you know, a lot of stuff. The, a lot of people overreacted. I just, I basically logged off for a little bit after he did it. I will say one thing was funny, which was people were doing memes or jokes about what a visit to UK was like under Mark Pope. And one person said, as soon as they come on campus, Mark makes them watch Andy Griffith. I didn't think that was funny. Well, you and Shannon like Andy Griffith. That would make me commit. I just don't know how many kids. It would work for you and I. So that was a bad few hours if you, for the UK folks, but then, uh, as I sort of told you all on Tuesday, that would happen. Uh, if, if, if right didn't come zoom, Diallo would, would commit and then he committed lighter in the early evening. And so Kentucky got their point guard. Are you happy about that? I am. And that helped ease the sting. I think of losing Rob right by zoom committing so quickly. A guy that was, you know, it's bigger, six, four. He averaged about 16 points and almost five assists a game. I mean, this needs a player. Yes. Are you, uh, are you, you know, most people probably haven't seen it. Most people probably haven't seen him play. I'm not seeing play. I saw him one time. So I don't claim to be an expert, but I did talk to somebody who's seen him a lot and said to me, even though he's a different player, that he can be a little bit more of a scoring version of Lamont Butler basically said, look, you guys like Lamont Butler, you're getting Lamont Butler, but maybe a little bit better score. He is a ball, uh, dominant point guard, which we've talked about those issues. I specifically said better, worse than Jalen low. That's what I asked someone and they said, uh, Jalen can be more explosive, but you're not going to get the, the ups and downs much more consistent than Jalen low. So they were generally speaking, uh, the person I talked to very familiar with zooms game said, I think a really good pickup, not as good as Rob right. That's what they said, but still very good. Out of high school, he's recruited. You got an offer from Arizona, Gonzaga, chose to stay home and play at Washington, but it looks like he made a really big jump from his freshman year to his sophomore year. Yeah. That's encouraging. So I think that's a really good piece. I think for me in terms of guys, Kentucky was recruiting. He was the second best, uh, for Kentucky point guard and portal. So you get him. Now the question is what happens last night. Uh, we, I was able to break the Alex Wilkins was on his way for a visit. So folks know, you know, every year I have my guy, if he comes here, Alex Wilkins is my guy. I watched, he was better than Furman. I don't know how he ended up at Furman. Somebody needs to find out cause he's better than Furman and he was good there. I mean, he was, he was, I think he scored what 18, 19 points a game from Boston. Um, you know, I think Jeff Goodman, I think was a new him a lot in the high school years. Now he too kind of is a consider the point guard. So to be weird if he comes with Diallo, but clearly he must be okay with it cause he came and visited anyway. He's here right now. I want that kid. I think if we get that kid, there's a very good chance he would be the best player on our team. I remember we were in St. Louis, Furman was playing Connecticut in the NCAA tournament. We were sitting there watching it and Furman was giving Connecticut all they wanted and he was the guy who was doing it. There's a clip online. I think it's called Wilkins gives you con buckets and you just see Wilkins. And he's playing obviously against good players. Yeah. Doing it. So he went to the final game and Furman, because of him put, you know, put him up to the task and then Freeman left, I guess these days are all running together. Did he, I guess he left last night and has not word on him. I have not. I mean, I think somebody, I have no insight on him, but so, so here's where we are. Because Kentucky got Diallo instead of right. They probably saved about a million dollars of their, of their budget. Rob, right. Probably cost about a million more dollars. I think if they had gotten Rob, right, they wouldn't have been able probably to afford Wilkins, which is probably why Wilkins didn't make his visit until Diallo committed. I think they would have had to go to like Jalen Cox or somebody else's, their second guard. So if you get him and you get Freeman, then I'm pretty, I think that's a really good class. Is it a final four team? I don't know, but it's a team that can certainly be good, very good. If you, if you jail and all of that, and then you have to find the pieces that their weakness with this group is going to be shooting because they, we've heard that, but they're going to have to go find some shooters. And then I think the big thing is they got to go find a big guy. Yeah. Even if they get Freeman, they're going to have to find another big guy. And then I think you go and you're ready to rock. And I would say again, I do think they're going to get at least one, maybe two guys are from overseas when this is all said. So can I ask you about, you know what Stokes put on his social media about zoom? He put my brother close to zoom. I mean, that's, you know, I mean, if, if all you cared about was Stokes, you would say this is the best guy you could have gotten because Stokes is close to it. They've played with each other before. So that, that's good. I think that's very good. When he posted my brother, I'm like, okay, come play with brother. Stop saying brother. He's my brother. Stop. Don't do, don't do that anymore. So, so I've said, I said online, I think Kentucky has to build their team, assuming they're not going to get Stokes. Okay. And then if you get him, he's like, you know, okay, now we take it. So like if we end up with Freeman Wilkins and Diallo plus Moreno and Cam and then whoever else they get Noah, if you add Stokes to that now, I think you got a shot at a final four. If you don't, I don't know if you do, but like he's a cherry on top, but you can't wait on him. You have to go get players and you're not going to get it. And usually I go when a domino falls like zoom, the rest of the dominoes kind of line up and fall right behind him. So they'll be safe. They had, I know they had like a plan of action. The, these are the kind of players we recruit if we get Rob right. And these are the kind of players we recruit if we get Diallo. And now you're going to start seeing, I think some of the Diallo guys visiting. And so I'm more optimistic today than I was yesterday. Maybe not as optimistic as I was, say Monday, Tuesday, but still okay. Well, cause we both kind of said yesterday, they, they, they got to get right or zoom one of the two. There are two best choices at point guard. You got to get one of those two to kind of build around. Yeah. So I'm happy with getting days are running together. Did, did, did we know yesterday on the show that right wasn't coming? I can't remember. Shannon, do you remember these days are all running together on me? I think we went to the show like saying, why would you go to BYU for less money? I think it was after the, you know, go back to the afternoon. It, it did, didn't it? I, we did say, why would you go back to BYU for less money? I feel like maybe he chose BYU right after the show yesterday. But again, all these days, made official, maybe all these days run together. Yeah. That's a good point. So I'm, I'm still optimistic. Do you feel better about things after we get zoom? Oh yeah. Cause I, cause what I was worried about is if you had a world where you didn't get zoom or the, or right, then you didn't really have a good point guard. Cause then I didn't think there were any other great point. You Wilkins could have been your point guard, but he's a score first guy. And I, I would have been a little more nervous. Is he more of a combo guard where he could, they could copy each other point at a time and, but I think, I think he could play in both. Look, we've had so many point guard issues, give us six. And you know what, if we have to teach them to play power forward, we will, you know? Yeah. We've gone through all like five or six point guards already in the first two years. So I will also note our fan base Shannon. It is so funny to watch online. No, I know. Because when, when, when Rob right, uh, when Rob right committed, you would have thought we would not even be playing basketball. And then when zoom Diallo committed six hours later, everybody had talked themselves into, well, that's what we wanted instead. We're back. We're back. That's actually who we, it is the collective psychology of, of, of fans is really fascinating. It reminds me of when we hired Mark Pope and we hired Mark Popin for 12 hours. It was the worst thing that had ever happened. And then everybody convinced him we had 21,000 people in that arena two days later, like it's just, we, you know, that's what fans do. We sort of psychologically ebb and flow. We saw it online when, when Rob right did not pick Kentucky, Kentucky's, you know, we're, we're, he's losing it. He can't do it. Boom. You get zoom. He's like, okay, we're back. Let's go. Let's build around this guy. This guy, this guy who I wanted anyway, I saw that a lot on this. I wanted this guy over right anyway. Well, I, I'll be, I wanted right more, but I think zoom is good. And I think he's much better than people. If we, if Rob right, we had never been involved, people would be very excited about this guy. So I think we should be. And I think it goes to show you that Keeneland still works. Maybe Keeneland got one. Keeneland got one. He went to Keeneland. And so we, Keeneland gets one success. It didn't even have a banner. Eight, five, nine, two. Yeah, they did. They put a banner. Is there a zoom one? Oh, there's a, but they've got, they're updating the. They're rotating. They're rotating. Yeah. They threw the Rob right one in the garbage and they put the zoom one up. Eight, five, nine, two, eight, oh, 20, two, 87. Text machine is seven, seven, two, seven, four, five, two, five, four. We will take a break. Ask anything Thursday. This is KSR. Yeah. There we go. See, this has got to be our song for him. Shannon. Yeah, no doubt. I thought about this as soon as soon as he committed. I think this is going to, when he plays well, this is the best thing that's happened to Rex in effects in a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Their streaming numbers are going to go. Oh, they're going way up. All you're going to do is zoom a zoom, zoom, zoom in a boom, boom. They got to play that every game at roughly. I mean, he may not like it, but I would play that like when he comes out. Yes. Like if I just think you just rex in effects is in effects and I'm the wrecker. I remember this video, Shannon. Oh, yeah. It was, there was a lot of stuff going on in this video if I remember correctly. That's right. It's called Rupps, shaker. So yeah, they were there. They actually did out in the video as I remember correctly. But, but yeah, so I, so it's good. 859-280-2287 on the text machine. People are, are writing in one person writes map. Do we now start to give Pope a little credit for his recruiting or not? Well, I mean, look at the misses have clearly been misses, but he's gotten some hits. This is a hit. Let's see what happens with Freeman and Wilkins. So, so with, with right, we were competing against where he was going to school. So there was a part of it that he just wanted to stay where he was. So, you know, some of that's an uneven fight with the Aula. We were offering more than everybody else. So to some extent we were, you know, ahead of everybody else. I think Freeman and Wilkins will be a good test for him. And the reason I say that is Donnie Freeman and Alex Wilkins were essentially offering the same thing the other schools are. So can he win one where the money's equal? Freeman and Wilkins are both being recruited by Yukon for essentially the same amount of money. Can you beat him? Can you go get a kid that another top program wants? Can you go get one? It's a good test. Was the Aula, we had a huge advantage. We were offering more money than everybody else with right. We were offering a little bit more money, but he had a home school pull. These are two Wilkins and Freeman have no connection to Syracuse or to Connecticut and they have no connection to Kentucky. Can you win those battles? That's, that'll be an interesting test to me. The perception will help tremendously if you're able to get those two guys steal them away from Connecticut. Or even one of them. Like true. But if you lose them both, there is a sense of like, when we go win one of these, you know, these are two, these are two kind of, you've got to convince them to pick you over them. That's right. You can't rely on the tradition because these two guys weren't even alive the last time Kentucky won a title. So now, now if somebody comes in and then offers more, we'll, but right now as I understand it, Freeman, I think is looking at, uh, it just at Connecticut, Kentucky Wilkins, maybe Connecticut and Syracuse in Kentucky. Syracuse may be offering more money than Kentucky and Connecticut, but if I see both of these as it's you and Connecticut equal money, Mark Pope, go get us one. That's what that's kind of how I feel or two. I think I said, I think it's a, it'll be a tough challenge for him. Connecticut has been so successful. Can he go, go sell these guys on what you're trying to do? You got zoom, you can throw him out there, come play with this guy. He's starting to get those pieces in line. That's what maybe Stokes, you can get him to convince to come over here to Kentucky. All right. I'm asking anything question. When person writes, are we ever going to have an AD? Where are we on it? Don't know. I thought they were going to have one by now. I did. I thought they were going to have one. I thought the idea was that they'd have one right after the, the NCA tournament to announce and then there'd be like a transition period and then they would kind of Mitch would move to the side. I sort of had heard maybe the, that the spring sports would kind of be Mitch's goodbye. Maybe they do something for him at the last baseball game. Yeah. Maybe, maybe even at the, but, but so far nothing. So I don't know. I heard like a week or so ago that it was getting ready to happen and then I don't know what happened. You and I heard the same thing. I thought it was happening like last week. I thought it was happening like last Thursday or last Friday. Like they're getting everything in place to make a, yeah. Yeah. News. I don't know. Maybe they decided to wait till after the portal. I don't know if that would have anything to do with it or not, but I kind of already expected to have an answer. I think there are, from what I understand, two finalists and, and I don't really feel at liberty to say who they are, but, but yeah, we'll go, we'll, I guess we'll see. Yeah. I don't know who the winner was going to be. I just heard there were plans in place to have a big news conference and try to get things ready. You know, they got to plan ahead, this sort of thing. So didn't happen. So we'll see. You know, I've never been here when we hired a new AD. It's true. Like that's going to be, I've had the same AD the whole time I've been here. So that this will be new for me. I was around when they hired Larry Ivy and also Mitch Barnhart. Barnhart was kind of a low, didn't, you know, no pomp and circumstance. Well, they didn't do really pomp and circumstance back in those days. They had a board meeting. They approved him and boom, he's started his job. Yeah. All right. Who's up first, Shannon? Let's go to Tanner. Tanner. Tanner. How are you? Hey, Matt. First time long time. Who are, what's up? Hi. So very excited about the zoom commitment yesterday. I'm excited to see what other guys we can get on one with you. I'm all in on Wilkins, but I did want to share a story. He had our first golf league night last night and with my buddies and some of my dad buddies, I had a, my first ever hole in one on a par four yesterday. Skip the, skip the par three. Well, that's a, that's a downhill 256. Are you, so you're just calling to brag that you got a hole in one? They don't ask anything. On par four. First of all, what kind of par, what kind of par, what kind of par four are you playing that's 256 yards? That is, are you playing at a junior course? No, no, no, no, it's 256 downhill. So it was, it was probably. 256 downhill par four. Where is this course? With a slope, it's 256 sugar ridge, Lawrenceburg, Indiana. Don't take this away from me, Matt. I don't know. I don't know. Sugar ridge, Lawrenceburg, Indiana, 256 downhill par four. I think that's, I mean, first of all, a hole in one's awesome, but I think I just would stick with the whole one and not brag on the par four. Cause that sounds like a, that sounds like a sketchy par four. Hey man, an albatross is an albatross one way or the other. Well, I, well congratulations. I appreciate, I appreciate the call. That's what you got to do. Just say, man, I got a hole in one of par par four par four and drop it right there. Don't say how far it was. That's easy for him to say in the chamber. Yeah. It's easier for that guy to hit the par four than it was for rise. Yeah. Well, well, congratulations to him. That wasn't really a question, but that's, that's okay. So our first question the other day was Burt Kreischer. And our first question, I still feel bad about Burt Kreischer, Shannon. I went, like I went back and looked at like he was so nice to us and I, you know, and then my buddy last night was telling me Turkey Hunter at the game that his new Netflix show is good. But the new Burt Kreischer show that part of the premise of the show is he's upset that everybody only sees him as the guy that takes his shirt off. And I was like, oh, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. Well, you know what, I guess I followed into it. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. Okay. Sorry. TJ Smith, personal injury attorney, call TJ. He'll make them pay. Now more of Kentucky sports radio presented by Stockton mortgage. Here's Matt Jones. Welcome back. It is Kentucky sports radio 859-280-2287 text machine 772-7745-2544. Nice job getting Lee and rhymes in here for tradition's sake. Of course we got to do that every time we get a commitment. That's exactly right. At KY Sports Radio on Twitter, people are now writing me telling me about their par fours where they got a hole in one. I'm glad to read about them. And I'm not saying the kid shouldn't be excited. He should. I just wouldn't lead with it was a par four if it was 254 yards downhill. I'm gonna say it's a par four, but just don't say the length of it. Just let us be amazed. You had a poll and one on par four. It's amazing. When person says Matt for ask anything Thursday, is there a housewarming gift you would like? People have asked me that question. You don't thank you all. You don't need to get anything. I'll, you know, that's very nice, but I can, I can get stuff. Maybe I just don't know. I can answer that question for him. What kitchen table couch bed chair. Do you need a bed? That's true. That'll be a start. Yeah. I mean, everything. Yeah. Yeah. Pots, pans, home Depot. They told me today, Matt, the landscaping. I got a text this morning that the landscaping like the spring thing where you pull weeds and all that is happening right now. And they were like, if you would like, you need to be thinking about any changes you might like to your flower bed. And I didn't even know how to think about responding to that. It looks good the way it is actually. As long as it is clean it up. I think it looks good. Yeah. So I don't have any major changes, but I did notice like, you know how Shannon's something you'd never care about, then all of a sudden you care. You have to. Like this guy was like, there's this like puny tree in front of it. And he was like, if it were up to me, I, if it were me, I'd get rid of that tree. And now I'm like obsessive. I think I need to get rid of it. Yeah. I wouldn't have even noticed. And now it's in my mind and I'm like, I gotta get rid of this puny tree. You make my house look better with a curb appeal better if I get rid of this tree. See, that was a landlord issue before. Now it's your issue. Exactly. Right now it's now it's on to me. All right. Who's up next? Let's go to Jeff. Jeff, go ahead, Jeff. Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. It's been a long time since I've called in, but uh, uh, just wanted to, in the days of, uh, shading sharp and, uh, these guys like that, you got to figure out who's trying to blow smoke. And, and I think, uh, there's, there's a way to do that is whenever they're about ready to, uh, come, um, not commit or something like that, just sweeten the deal. Say, I'll tell you what I got. I got an extra million if you'll commit here today. Yeah, they do. They do. Like you're not the first person to come up with that idea. They've done stuff like that before and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But the problem is these kids have the cards in, in the situation, in the situation right now because what in the transfer portal era, the kids have most of the leverage. They've got an unlimited amount of suitors. They've got more teams that have money than have ever had money before. And so they've got the cards. And so even the most powerful teams, so coaches are going to have to learn to navigate that. And I would assume in a few years, the top programs will, Michigan clearly did it last year, but there's going to be very few times that you can just outbid people. Louisville has been able to do it because, and we'll talk about this later, Louisville has put a huge investment in the next season for a variety of reasons, but you're not coming up with any solution anybody else hasn't had. It's just these kids have the cards now. They have a lot more options and they have a lot of the leverage. Well, if a kid's not wanting to accept, I mean, if you sweeten the pot and he's not willing to accept it right then, then then move on to the next one. Well, then what are you going to do though? I mean, but, but like if you're Kentucky and you're sitting there and you're thinking, there are two great point guards in this portal that we can get Rob Brighton, Zoom Diallo. If those are the two, then you got to get one of them. Got to go out hard as you can. Because your drop after that in your mind is so substantial that you have to get one of them. And I, and the kids know this. I mean, they know they, you know, their agents, the good ones, they have agents that go, look, they have to get you. So we're going to make them pay every, and when you say just move on, that's a, that's a decent idea, except there's not an unlimited supply of good players. Yeah. You know, this is the worst freshman class of all time. So there's not a ton of players in it. Jeff Goodman was telling, was saying on his show that he thinks this might be the worst portal class of all time. So there's just not an unlimited supply of players. No, I appreciate the call. But I mean, that's, I think that's the, I think the players had a lot of leverage in this one, you know, well, like, like the call was saying, the Kentucky should, you know, at the last minute, sweet in the deal. Well, so is Yukon, you know, so these other schools are doing the same thing. The only one going after you're exactly right. You're exactly right. All these other schools, they have money too. Yes. So that's why I'm interested in this Wilkins Freeman thing, because I don't think money will be the issue on that one. I think it's going to be, I think Wilkins is also apparently being recruited by Alabama. All, you've got other powers who have the same resources you are. Can you beat one of them? Right. Yes. That's what I want to see, because I don't know that Mark Pope has won a really competitive recruitment, except maybe Kobe Braia, because remember Kobe Braia, Duke wanted Kobe Braia and you, and like, so he beat everybody for Kobe Braia. But otherwise we've kind of, we've won guys, but they've usually been guys that we either targeted specifically or other schools. We just, we haven't won a lot of guys that everybody wanted. We'll see what happens with these guys. Do you believe that report that came out that the average NIL cost per player is up like 65% from over last year? I think it's, that is true for the top guys, for the top guys, for the top 20 to 25, 30 guys. I don't think that's true for the other guys. Like I think one of the things you're seeing is that your jaspers and your garrisons and your Diabatis, the market wasn't quite as healthy as maybe everybody thought. But yes, for those top guys, I think they're getting, wow. Well, I mean, Diallo's going to be, Diallo's going to probably be our second most paid player ever. And that's kind of a surprise, but I think they don't have a choice but to do it. They had to. You want to be competitive. You have to get some players and he's at the top of their list right now. Who's next? Roger. Roger, go ahead, Roger. Thanks for taking my call, man. I was wondering about the Grace Kipp, Santa Clara, as Pope didn't go after him because he's a dude. He's one of the get-tchas of South Horror. Yeah, I think he did, but he's both looking at the draft and maybe other schools. I don't, I haven't heard Kentucky associated with him a lot. You're talking about the kid that we played against in the NCAA tournament, Graves? Yeah. Hit the last shot. Yes. Yeah, he's good. He's an NBA player. He'll be picked in the NBA draft. Yeah, I thought he was entering the draft. I didn't know he was still a chance he made transfer. I think he did one of those where he entered the draft, but then he also got you gave himself the ability to come back. Who's next? Kevin. Kevin, go ahead, Kevin. Hey, I hope you guys are having a good morning. So you've been discussing the city of Lexington recently, so I haven't asked anything illegal questions for you. My wife and I live on the worst road in Lexington by far. We've lived there almost five years now. It's a dead end. It's got eight houses. The roads in terrible shape used to be in HOA back in the 80s and 90s, fizzled out in the mid 90s. So it was considered a private drive back then, and it's no longer that anymore. So we get all city services, including trash and recycling. City trucks up and down the road every week. We've tried to contact the city about having the street repaired or repaved, and they haven't responded. So they even threatened to find the homeowners before we moved in if we didn't repair the road ourselves. I didn't know if you had any advice or suggestions. Yeah, I don't have any advice. I don't have any advice. I mean, if it's a public street, they're supposed to do it, but like you have no public right. So like, so for instance, if you're on a street and there's potholes everywhere and the street just like sinks into the ground, you can be upset. You can like call the city. You can be angry. You can vote out the mayor. You can do whatever, but you don't really have a right legally for them to come fix your public street. You have a hope, but you don't have a right. So, so really, I mean, you can keep putting pressure on the city, but I don't know that you have a legal right to do anything. I think people sometimes don't understand that public services are great, but you don't have a right to any of them. The city of Lexington could just decide we're not going to have police. And there's really nothing anybody can do about it, except just go elect people who decide to bring back the police. True. So I appreciate the call. This guy, you know, in Forza, he's on a short dead end street. He's low on the priority list for pothole filling. There's very few things you actually have a legal right to. Like you have a right to, they're called entitlements. So you have a right to social security. You have a right to like veteran, if you're a veteran to veterans benefits. There's a handful of things that in the statute that created them, they give you a legal right to them. But when it comes to local services, you basically don't have a right to anything. It's by the grace of God and your tax dollars that you get them. And I know why he's upset. You know, these are like, okay, these trash trucks come down here, recycle trucks come down here. Why can't they come down here and fix my road? Yeah. But like if they just decide, if the city decided tomorrow, no more trash service, sorry, there's really nothing you can do about it. What are you going to do? You can't, there's really nothing you can do about it. That'd be awful. Yeah. Well, that's why you're not going to do that. But they didn't happen in New York one time. What? New York City? Well, sometimes people go on strike. Oh, they went on strike. So when they go on strike, but that's part of the reason when they go, when trash workers go on strike, you can't sue the city. There's nothing you can do about it. You just have to hope it works out. So anyway, in Kentucky right now, Ryan, you may not know this, but if you can't find affordable child care or a place to live, you can't get a job. What's a person supposed to do? You're supposed to fix that politicians. And that's why workers, you need to be able to fix the basics, child care and housing so the Kentucky workforce can actually work. Go to opportunity starts here.com. That's opportunity starts here.com adds your name to the list from the Kentucky Chamber saying housing is important in Kentucky. It's opportunity starts here.com. We'll take a break and be back here at KS Bar and Grills Kentucky Sports Radio. Welcome back to sports radio 859-280-2287. Text machine is 772-7745-2544. I didn't expect today to also be public services radio, but you know what? That's okay because it's ask anything. That's right. Daniel says, so you're saying the tax we pay for for public services entitled us to nothing. If that's true, why didn't everyone just refuse to pay taxes for things that aren't guaranteed? Well, so the first part of your question is no, the taxes you pay do not ensure you for anything except the things that are entitlements, which were the things I mentioned earlier. Why do you not just refuse to pay taxes? Because you will go to prison for federal taxes and and and depending on what your state one is too, but like you may not like that, but that's the law. You don't, I mean Daniel, you don't get to decide whether the law is good or bad. You can just elect people to hope to change the law, but but that's that's the way it is. So as my grandfather would say, life ain't fair. You know, and I think there's a lot of a lot of truth to that, but I don't think people understand. One of the funniest things to me is to hear people in discourse talk about rights because people have a lot of rights that they don't realize they have. And there are a lot of times that people will say, for instance, well, if the police tell you to stop, you have to. Well, sort of, but not always. And then there's a lot of rights people think they have that they don't. Like you don't almost everything the government does for you. They don't have to do to service. It's just that's exact. That's the word. It's a service. So you call 911 and an ambulance comes if it doesn't come. There's nothing you can do about that. Yeah. Like it's a service except vote out the people who create poor services. That's it. So snow. We had that big issue here about snow. Right. Everyone was mad in Lexington about the snow removal and like they were right to be mad. But the city of Lexington could just say clean your own damn snow. Like they don't have to do anything. Correct. They you want them to do it. That's why you elect them, but they don't have to. People got mad when like certain streets got cleared, but their streets didn't. And if and think about though, if you could sue because your street went after everybody would yes, you know, and that's why you're not allowed to do it. Interesting topic we got going on today. It's not what I thought we would be talking about. One person writes, Matt, do you think Rob Wright used us just to get more money from BYU? No, I do not. I think we were offering him more money and we thought he was going to come. I mean, now that it's over, we can say they had a whole set of things planned for when he came. They were going to do a photo shoot. They were going to like, I think they were going to do a big video, all this stuff. He, UK said to his agent, we want him to come, but we want him to come kind of only if he knows he's wants to be here. And they said he wants to be here. So UK was under the impression that it was going to come. And then he got here and he said, and it's the kid, it was the kid. He was like, I just don't know if I want to leave BYU. And then he left. He had a final, I think the next day at BYU and he went back. He just, you know, the kid, everyone around the kid wanted him to come to Kentucky, but the kid himself just didn't want to leave BYU. So he took less money to go back to, I don't get that Shannon. I really don't. I don't BYU seems like it would be the worst place to go. But you know, that's what the kid wanted. So do you believe the reported where he said, allegedly said, I don't want to play three schools in my three years? Possibly. Possibly. Yeah. And why would he consider it then? Because it was more money. I think probably the people around him were like, dude, this is Kentucky. Yeah. It's $750,000 more dollars and it's Kentucky. What are you doing? And he was like, but I like it in Provo. So there you go, Shannon. What are you going to do? You know, if the kid wants to stay there, he wants to stay there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just think it's concerning that we're losing players to BYU and not other. I don't think we're losing players to BYU. He didn't want to leave BYU. That's why I think these other recruitments are so important, because they would be that venue would be right. Shannon, right? If we're, we're looking, if you didn't want to leave, why did he get in the portal? Because I think some people pushed him to get in the portal. You know, I mean, look, I understand both sides. My view is though, I mean, at the end of the day, this is a business decision, but if the kid wants to stay there, what are you going to do? I mean, you can't make him come here. You know, you know, it's got to be girlfriend could be or it could just be, you know how it is with college kids. You have college kids. Sometimes they might just be like, well, I like it here. Yes, there's no doubt. And they don't think about your friend group, bigger social friend. The other thing is, while to me and you, Shannon and Ryan, the difference between 2.5 and 3.3 is a lot of money. That's $800,000. It's a lot of money. If you're a kid, you're like, well, 2.5 sounds like a lot of money. You know, you might not think about that marginal difference. You might just be like, I'm going to have money. You know, so it's all Kentucky versus BYU though. That's how I feel, but I can't clearly feel that way. So when did BYU become this big rival with us? When we were a pope? Because we hired Mark Pope. We hired a guy from BYU and took Jackson Robinson. So now we hired a guy who's part of the Mormon church and he is obviously, you know, connected to a lot of people in that world. And then it's not a surprise to me. We ended up recruiting against that place as well. That doesn't really surprise me. So there's two guys in a week to BYU. But think about all the connections we've had with BYU. Yes. Richie Saunders, Colin Chandler, now Rob Wright. And then I mean, that's just, that's what it's been like. So who's next? Andy. Andy, go ahead, Andy. Andy. Hey, Matt, how are you buddy? Good. What's up? Good. I just want to talk about, we've talked a lot about Mark Pope connecting with players. I don't know if it's just that. We can talk about this as what we do know, what we see on the court. I mean, you think when he talks about his vision to these players and they talk about, they look at the rotations when they're watching the game. I mean, if I'm a player, I'm watching the game and I'm cooking. And the next thing you know, I'm sitting on the bench for five minutes. I mean, is that where I want to go? Is that going to hurt me in the long run? I mean, that's what I'm looking at. Not so much is like, is Mark Pope corny or anything like that. I just, I just know, I would think that Mark Pope to connect to players, he's been in this world for a long time. So we keep hearing this like, is he connecting to players? I'm like, I'm sure the dude could connect to the players. I just think it's more about his vision when he finally tells them like, Hey, we're going to have like a 10 man rotation. And this is what we see you doing. And it might be a turnoff. I mean, that could be part of it. That's possible. But you know, I appreciate the call. That's possible. But there are other coaches who play a lot of guys and they've made it work. You know, obviously think about the 2015 team with, with Cal, where he he sold guys on coming and they played 20 minutes, right? I think that the marks substitution pattern definitely hurts them a little bit, but I don't think it's a final straw. It might be. It might have some role. All right, we'll take a break. Come back. I remember to SKSR. Yeah.