The Last Supper (We Can Only Hope) (RHOBH Full Recap)

There's no one like you and there never will be. From the producer Bokinian Rhapsody, There are many legends, but there is only one. Michael in IMAX and Cinema's Wednesday, April 22. I don't know if it's like Shakespearean level comedy slash tragedy that we have to sit here and discuss this show with the threat of nuclear war on the horizon and we may be talking about Beverly Hills, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills as we just careen into World War 3. That's crazy work. I would have picked a million other shows. It could be much worse. We could have just had like a terrible 42-minute episode. Actually, no, no, no. Yeah, I'm going to have a point about all of that. But yeah, I mean, dude, it's perfect honestly. If you have to sum up our lives as Brov Bros, it would be World Divisoration while we're sitting here talking about Beverly Hills. Jesus Christ. As airs are driving a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be open by 5. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a f***. I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros, your favorite show from the Bros for everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your cohost, Steel Russell joined as always by Beverly Hills McGee. What's up, pal? Well, you know what? We're getting to the end. I have a feeling this episode actually is... Oh, you mean the end of the world or the end of Beverly Hills? Both, maybe. God, could you imagine? That's what coincides with it. But yeah, this episode actually finally had the feeling of, oh, shit, are we like... Yeah, we're reaching the end. We almost done. Are we almost done? It's episode 29, which means it's episode 15. I think. Maybe. I mean, who knows? I'm sure there's other things. There probably wasn't a Watch What Happens Live. It's probably episode 16, but you know, let us do math. But it did have that feel. And let me tell you, when we get halfway through this episode and they start essentially rolling credits, I have never felt so good about Beverly Hills. I'm like, oh, yes, we're almost done. We're almost out of here, but we're not. There's probably at least a few more episodes, but it's the first glimpse that we've had at potential happiness being done at covering the show. Yeah, I actually thought for an ever so brief moment as Doreet walked off smoking a cigarette, I was like, are they going to do her post season credits right now of Doreet didn't talk to anybody after the reunion? Same. They didn't. And we have to do more of these. And again, I like to do this at the beginning of our Beverly Hills episodes for the past few weeks. If you don't like hate listens, hate watches, if you are going to leave us a negative review because you're like, do you get so negative? Stop listing right now. Okay. You're not going to like this one. I think a lot like what we talk about when it comes to Beverly Hills and we talk about the ratings a lot because you know, Bravo is never going to really make a change as long as the ratings are as high as they are. I think we also get some of that where we're kind of siphons off to us and we have a lot of people that will watch YouTube because it's one of our better performing YouTube's and it's not like, you know, 6,000 people are watching that YouTube thinking, wow, I love watching them hate watch this. There's probably 70% of people like, wow, I just want to get as much Beverly Hills content as I possibly can to see what's going on here. And then they watch ours and they're like, what the hell is this? I would advise them if you have done this and it's also very funny to me that people have probably come back to like, maybe I was just a bad episode. No, it's not. It's a bad season. It's been a bad show for like 10 fucking years. Get over it. But I would advise you just flip on like one of our ladies of London recaps. Yeah. On Southern hospitality, flip. You know, Summerhouse is a bit of a hellscape right now. Stay away from that. Sure. But flip on one of the shows that we actually enjoy. We have a lot of fun covering Soho, you know, aside from the racism that's going on over there, but just go to ladies of London. Actually, that's probably the best one. I'm starting to realize that there are a lot of less sensitive topics and things that currently we actually talk about, which is kind of annoying, but you know, Ladies of London, you'll hear us have a good time. Yeah, they could do a better job and we wouldn't do it. No, we're recapping what they give us. Okay. And I will say it's really nice. We had that one episode where we tried, we're like, look, we're gonna try to be positive about Beverly Hills. It lasted for all of three weeks, but we had overwhelming support from the majority of our listeners that are like, no, no, be yourselves. And if it deserves a hate watch, then hate watch it. And so the point being, if that's not your cup of tea, I do understand, like you want to have your podcasts and entertainment in times that like, Hey, I've got a nice afternoon. I'm folding a laundry. I'm doing whatever I don't want to hear people bitching moan. I get that completely. Totally understand this isn't the episode for you. Ladies of London. That's your episode. Southern hospitality. That's your episode. Yeah, not this one. And that's okay. We still love you. You know what? I do think that maybe we'll start turning people like maybe we can actually influence people who are kind of on the fence like, yeah, you know, I've just been watching Beverly Hills for 20 years. So I might as well keep going. Yes. Stop it. Not take a look in the mirror. What am I doing? Yeah. There's so many with you. So many other good shows to watch. And I'm not even just talking about Bravo. Like you can, if you want to have a silly goofy time, go watch like Age of Attraction on Netflix. It's fucking bizarre and weird and goofy. It doesn't make a ton of sense, but that's a good show to watch while you're folding your laundry. You do not have to be victimized by Beverly Hills. You can break free, be better, rise above it. Yeah, we're stuck here. We have to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Now we're fucked. Oh, they're right. Yeah. We're stuck in the street with no oil. You know what I mean? Exactly. Fucking start. I can't not today. Oh, Christ almighty. You mean the straight that was like, where are the stars? Fucking, why are you doing this? This is what we talked about before. You mean the straight that was open before we started the war, the one that was wide fucking opened. And now that's the problem is that it's closed or the fact that people don't understand that if you're in space, there's a giant ball of fire and light that is projecting light upon you and the surface of the moon at all times. So unless you're in a position where the sun is blocked, you're not going to fucking see stars. It doesn't make it fake. It means it's aperture and exposure. It is science. It's the same reason when you walk outside during the day, you don't see stars. I can't. The fact you guys know I love space. No, you shut up. You shut the fuck up. See that I have to go on Instagram now. People are like, you're going to tell me that this picture. They took it on their iPhone in the fucking spaceship. Yes. Why do you do understand that to fake the moon landing, you would have to have over 400,000 people who worked at the Apollo program all buttoned up and international space agencies and the Soviet Union who was trying any way that they could to take down America in any fashion, looking at our every move. You think that they wouldn't blow up the fact that this was faked if it was. Stop it, everybody. The earth is round. We've been to space. We've been to the moon. And the straight was opened before the fucking war started. Well, I mean, what are we talking about? Maybe you think it's an iPhone issue. I mean, like I tried to take iPhone pictures before. Sometimes they come out fucked up and I immediately call Apple support. Hey, you guys used an Android. You should have used the name. I mean, a flip phone would never have that problem. Sorry guys. It's been a long day, but I feel better now. Thank you for that. Now we actually could probably like, look, the way this episode goes though, and it was very interesting and my theory on it is they, we know that they've been building towards this. This is the moment of the season. I mean, if you want to say last week when to read ditched Erica and Kyle when they were getting gelato, that could have been a moment. This was their big breakdown. This is everything that we've been building towards. I'm not even going to get into specifics because you know how we feel about the specifics and how stupid they are, but this is everything we've been building towards. This is the closest. The show has become watchable and it only lasted about 18 minutes and they did as much as they possibly could with that production. They put music in there. They had 15 different like unbelievable like orchestra songs that everybody knows and we're all just going to like bob along to the symphonies while we're watching everything. And then it's just over. It was 18 minutes of, wow, this, maybe we've got some. No, no, actually we've got nothing. We're going to go back to Beverly Hills and it's going to be Rhodes. Yeah. It was that dinner and look, the dinner scene hit like crack. I'm not going to lie. When I was watching, I was like, I've been waiting for this for years actually to see this blow up happen, to see people checking people to table. Unfortunately, you know, I, there needed to be a lot more smoke for Kyle. There was not. I wasn't expecting that and it is what it is. We're only going to get what we're going to get, but to watch him face off, to watch Doreen Erica, you know, and Erica get activated. I always like when she gets involved and it's also a reminder from Erica's camp where it's like all things considered. I mean, I know she's gone through it. She's had a pretty crazy run of show here the last three years but she is probably the most solid person on this cast. This was a good reminder of that for her to speak up in that moment. And I think that a lot of it is shown when Doreen storming off and talking to Kathy. Those two conversations that are being had are so wildly different and that shows you who Erica is actually because Erica, she checks to read, tries to reel her in. Doreen's not hearing it. So she goes off on her under the bed. I get where she's coming from. Doreen storms off to read is letting Kathy hear it about every single thing she wrote down to say this season. I'm not putting it. She repeated the same topic about 15 times 15 different ways. You go back to Erica. She's crying going, I know what she's going through. I know this is hard. I just want to help her. She's not listening to any of us. This is really sad. We've been very close. That's real. Doreen's over there trying to show her how to do it. That's real. Doreen's over there trying to show up for the camera with Kathy. I'm like, that's the reminder of what Erica brings to the show, I think, in a positive way. I was like, there she is. And in a really good way. Meanwhile, you've got Doreen over there yelling at Kathy, trying to have her moment. But let's get into the episode and we'll break it down a little bit more. Obviously, we're still at dinner. The episode is titled The Last Supper and boy, did they try to stretch that bad boy out for the entirety of the episode? I thought they had a chance there for a little bit. They did. They might have, if a couple more people had entered the Convo, I think we could have stretched it to a 25, 30 minute mark, but we got, like you said, about 18, 20 minutes out of that thing. But Bose is being brought back into it. Kyle is doing the same exact thing over and over again of everybody's saying this. Everybody's talking about it. Why are you getting mad at me? What she's not understanding and what's driving me crazy. Bose says it really well later. Bose is offering constructive criticism without judgment. Hey, I'm concerned. It's concerned without judgment as well. Kyle's doing it in a way of using trigger words and a lot of judgment. She's passing a lot of judgment on Doreen while trying to say, I'm worried about you. It's not going to land the same way. So you have this weird setup of Kyle trying to take down the Doreen through the guys of I care about you Doreen and using everybody at the table as a pawn. That's my biggest issue with the table. Somebody jumped in. You know, I get, I completely understand where she's coming from. I actually thought that she was very founded in her argument. That made a lot of sense to me. I needed somebody else to jump into this conversation. Yeah, I get that. And I think that the beginning of this conversation, again, that's the big issue that we've had is we've had this conversation a million times. This is the first time they're having this conversation. This is the first time that they're saying the things that we're saying and it's coming across exactly how we thought it would. I mean, Kyle, the way that she's going about it, it's very self-serving. There's so many underlying issues when it comes to her calling out to read and when she's talking to other people, it's not coming from a place of concert. Like I don't know how many times we can say that. I don't know how many different ways we can say that. The way it blows up when it comes down to Kyle versus Erica, essentially, Erica's frustration is boiling over. She's pissed off about to read being late. That's exactly where it is. And we've all been there where your friend has a lot of issues going on, but there's one thing that's actually affecting you. Like, yes, if somebody's going through a really hard time and you don't really know how to interject, you don't know how to get involved in a way that's going to be helpful for them, you kind of wait for them to come to you. You wait for them to sit down with you and say, look, I'm going through this, this and this. I know you've been through something similar or maybe you haven't, but just hear me out and see what happens. Doreet never does that with Erica. We've seen that. She knows that's never happened, but her frustration boils over with the late thing. And once that happens, that's when you get the real emotions from Erica. But as we're going back to Kyle and Kyle's just like seconding everything that Erica is saying, it's like, shut up. Like, no, you don't get to do this because this is not how you feel. You feel like you wanted to talk about her and then you can just spit it and say, well, I'm doing it constructively. I'm trying to help you. And now you're still taking offense to the fact that when Bose talks to her and we finally get that breakthrough moment where Doreet looks over at Bose and says, okay, so if everything that Kyle is saying is true, then how does that feel for you? And Bose breaks it down. Fine. Bose says, look, I've talked about all of this with you. We've had conversations about it. I've been worried about you financially. I don't know where you're going to end up. And when I have a friend of yours calling me to pretty much exacerbate all of that and say, yeah, I mean, she's over here in the Hampton, she's doing this and that and whatever. Bose isn't there to confirm. And she has no reason. And it'll obviously us at home. We have every reason to believe that Kyle's doing this to undermine Doreet. But Bose isn't going to look at that like, okay, is Kyle just simply doing this because she's mad at Doreet and she's trying to spin this. I don't blame Bose for not thinking that, but Bose immediately says, if that's something that happened at an upset you, I'm sorry. That's a friendship. Apology, Kyle. That's how that works. And as soon as that transpires, Kyle looks over and she goes, of course you're okay with her. She says all the same shit that I say and you're okay with her. She just walked through everything, told everybody at the table that they've had conversations between the two of them one on one about the things that you're talking about and still apologized at the end of it because she was talking to you, Kyle. Maybe you could pick something up from that. I don't know. That's a crazy idea. But Kyle just immediately thinking, Oh, well, that's insane. That's, that's crazy. You're going to just immediately forgive Bose because you're up or asked so much. You won't give me the same grace. You're not getting any grace because you shouldn't be involved. You should be involved at a Bose level, but you don't have that opportunity to get involved at a Bose level because of the things that you did last season where you were talking to PK and you were completely just turning everything that Dariit was saying into, well, you know, there's two sides of the story. There shouldn't be. Dariit's supposed to be your friends. That's the whole issue. That's where it started. And you've gotten yourself into this place where if you are talking like everybody else is talking about this, you're not going to get the same grace. Dariit's not going to look at you in the same way that she's looking at Bose because you're not helping her. Bose is helping her. Exactly. And I mean, you see it throughout this convo, throughout this, this back and forth that they're having. If you really pay attention, Kyle is pointing out unintentionally all of the reasons why Dariit's mad at her. Like Kyle's highlighting it because the way that she's going about this whole thing, Dariit's like, I want some grace. I haven't been getting any grace throughout this whole thing, which I agree with to a certain extent. I think that a lot of the ladies have extended you grace, but the response to that, Kyle, is not to point out all of the moments in which you quote unquote gave her grace because all of those moments that you highlighted, you had something to say about in those moments. You may not have said it directly to Dariit, but she bitched and moaned about it to anybody that would hear it. And then you use those pieces of evidence as evidence against Dariit and why she's losing her mind and she's erratic. So no, that's not a good example of giving grace. Giving grace would be in those moments saying, man, she's late again, but you know what? She's really going through it. I understand. Not she's late again. Is she spending all of her money? She bought a bag. I think that she's going crazy. She's erratic. I don't under that's what she did. That's not grace. That's not even remotely graceful. So throughout this whole entire convo, she continues to do it. For example, you didn't even apologize for being late. She didn't. You're right. That is rude. So she goes, I'm sorry and names literally everyone at the table. She forgets Amanda. No, I don't think that was intentional. I genuinely think she was looking around the table and Sutton was leaning forward. If that is not true, regardless, that is such a stupid thing to point out in that moment. Stay focused on the task at hand. Now you're trying to add pieces into this whole thing. Like see you're doing it to Amanda right now. It's like, no, dude, it's not that serious. It's not that serious. You're just trying to find as Doreet has pointed out, you're trying to look for anything to poker and you just proved that because she didn't say Amanda. You're like, well, what about Amanda? We get it. Your best friends are there for some weird reason. I don't understand why, but you in doing what you're doing, Kyle, you're highlighting all of the things that Doreet's accusing you of doing and you're doing them in real time, but you also think you're winning this thing. Erica is the 100% correct approach to this entire thing because it's coming from a place of hurt. She is Doreet's friend. She feels as Doreet threw her under the bus. What do you mean you don't feel supported by me? I've been there since day one. They had a little spat on Erica's first season. That was it. And Erica has rode hard for Doreet. So I'm with Erica on this. So when she gets her feelings genuinely hurt, not the fake feelings that Kyle has, Erica goes in. But when she does it, it lands because you can tell she's actually upset and she actually has reasons to be upset, not her ego being hurt because Doreet confides in bows instead of Kyle because Doreet is fed up with your bullshit, Kyle. She's not doing what Sutton's doing and bowing and kissing the ring and everyone else at that table. You're used to them coming to you even when you shit on them. To Doreet's credit, she's not. The only issue is Doreet is now taking that and putting Kyle's behavior on Erica, putting Kyle's behavior on Sutton, putting Kyle's behavior on the rest of the ladies in the group, which is not okay. And that's what Erica does really well. If you're like, well, well, go ahead. Yeah. And look, when you break down exactly what Erica and Doreet were talking about and when they actually had their spat, I'm not even going to look at the context. I don't really care what was said. It doesn't really matter. It's all the feelings that were conveyed. And like I said before, I mean, Erica was frustrated about the late things. She's probably frustrated about a couple other things. And overall, she's just frustrated that Doreet is lumping her in with Kyle. She's not going over to her and saying, I need help. I need to do this. I just feel like I'm spinning out of control, even if she is or isn't, it doesn't really matter. When it comes to the, the Amanda thing, I do actually think that Doreet actually skipped Amanda on purpose. It just doesn't matter. Maybe. Yeah. It just simply just does not matter. And the other part of it is, of course, Kyle's immediately going to spin that into, whoa, you got to do this. We really got to talk about this. No, you're just going to leave Amanda out. Like that just goes to show you what her intentions are when she says stuff like that, when she deviates from the actual situation, it's her trying to throw a wrench into it. It's her trying to catch Doreet off guard so that then we can get back to whatever Kyle wants to talk about. That's all that's going on there. We all know that's happening. And honestly, again, when it comes to Erica and Doreet, I think they'll probably end up having a conversation. I think they'll end up being okay. Kyle's going to be giddy because now it's like, Oh, cool. Now Doreet's looking at Erica as if she's looking at me. So I'm not alone, even though Kyle never really feels like she's alone. She now has Erica on her side in her brain, but I do think over the next couple of episodes, we're going to see the two of them will actually sit down. And I think to read will say, look, the problem really is Kyle. It's not you. And when we go our separate ways at this dinner, I'm okay. Like I'm still looking at this like, okay, whatever. Like Eric is obviously showing real emotion. That's a good part of it. We're understanding where she's coming from, where she feels what she's talking about when it comes to Doreet and hers friendship. I'm also okay with Doreet going out and it's Doreet and Kathy. Like that's another part of the housewife show where of course she's going to get, she's going to get theatrical. She's going to freak out. She's going to blame everybody. I mean, that's pretty much what Kyle was saying. And like we already said, Kyle's lumping everybody in there together and Rachel sort of spoke up. The rest of them didn't really speak up and say, Hey, I wasn't having these feelings about you. Kyle's putting me into this for no reason, which they should have and they didn't. So I don't really blame Doreet for doing any of that either. That's just part of the course for this. But again, this was the first moment, the first scene. The first scene of any sort of like, I don't know, relevancy when it comes to like watching a good reality TV show. This is the first time that we've ever seen anything on this season and it was building for what, 16 episodes? Like it took us five years. It took us at least 16 episodes to get to this point and it's over in 18 minutes. We're done. And now we, and now we've got teams, which, you know, we love teams on this show. I don't mind the team's part. I just, how they were formed is irritating to me a little bit. You know, you look across the lines and on one side, it seems to be Doreet, Rachel and Bose and then everybody else on the other side with, and I would argue that Bose can kind of bop back and forth, Rachel can too as well. But I think my issue is, I know Doreet saying like, Oh, Kyle's got all of her minions right where she wants them. I don't see it that way really. I see, you know, cause I don't think that Erica is quote unquote a Kyle minion. I think that she's a Kyle supporter, but I think that she's a part of Doreet. Yes. Yes. Exactly. I think the rest are complicit. I mean, you see Sutton literally at this dinner in such a pretzel, not knowing what to do because on one hand she is chiming in at random times just to back up Kyle. I was like, dude, shut up. But then there was other times where she's like, well, like, yeah, I'm not really actually that concerned about Doreet. Like, yes, she's right, but I know she's going through. So she's in this weird spot of like, I actually don't feel everything you're saying, Kyle, but I don't want to not be cool with you. So I'm not going to say anything right now. I'm going to go to confessional and say this. Yeah. But that shows some cracks in, in the team that Kyle has quote unquote put together against Doreet because I do think if you put all this. That that's like for Sutton, like going to her confessional, obviously we've, we've had this feeling about Sutton for years. She goes to her confessional. She says something that she should have said in the moment. I mean, that was a big Beverly Hills sticking point for the last couple of years. We get these great, we don't even have great confessionals this year, but in the past we've had good confessionals where it's like, wow, that actually would have landed if you had said that at the dinner party, at the event that they were at, at the whatever scrum was going on at the time that would have landed. No, you're going to wait until your confessional films like two weeks later and you find out like two weeks later and you've thought of it. Or, and what we thought was you were afraid to say it at the time, but you did actually think that and we've kind of diluted ourselves into thinking, wow, maybe there's this, maybe there's that. And then we get to the reunion and immediately it's just, nope, I'm going to change my tune because we're all sitting here now and I don't feel comfortable backing up my own thoughts, my own words from a couple of months ago. I actually have to take all of that back right now because I'm too scared to do it. Yes. And that's what we're probably going to have history has taught us anything about this show. We're going to see that happen. I just, I don't know what the rest of the season one, how long it is and two, what it looks like because like literally after this dinner, really don't have anything like we talk about the credit shoot. Like I know everybody watching probably had that same feeling. They started playing that music at the end and they started doing this whole like either it's the mid season finale for a weird, terrible network show and NBC. And it's like, Whoa, where are we going to go from here? That's what they were trying to do. What do you mean the doctors related to the baby? Yeah, exactly. And then I click on it. I'm like, what are we doing for the next 22 minutes? I don't really get it. And we've got voiceovers. We've got everything and it just had that feel. And if you've been watching housewives for a long time, you know that feel where you just expect updates on people's current lives. And you're like, okay, are we done? Can we move on with our lives? That would be fantastic. No, we're actually not going to move on with their lives because we're going to go back to Beverly Hills and Rachel's planning a birthday party. And we have to check in with everybody post Italy. And it's like, okay, where's the new content? All right. I understand that we had a big blow up. Where's everybody stand? Pretty much where they were pretty much where you expect. And again, my only real hope right now is that Erica will have that conversation with Doreen because I don't want Erica to be fully team Kyle just because her Doreen had a blow up conversation in Italy. And it doesn't really check out for who I think Erica is. So I do hope that we at least get that. But outside of that, like no offense to, you know, Keely and Bose, but I'm not really excited about them getting engaged. I'm kind of over it. Yeah. I mean, they set up some scenes from like the remaining parts of the season, remaining episodes. And yeah, like, you know, obviously there's a lot of question marks about Keely that people have raised throughout the season, which are valid. We don't really know. We haven't gotten enough time with them to really dive into what their relationship is like. Like buying a house. It did have, I will say that because that's pretty much like the first scene that we get post Italy. That scene, it felt a lot nicer than the sit down one we had with her and her daughter. That was a bizarre conversation to have in front of a daughter. You know, even for us to watch on reality TV, but it did have a better feel. And even both as as much when she goes to a confessional like, look, Keely and I have had the conversation. He said with her, without a baby, we're pushing our lives together. We're going to intertwine. We're going to get a house. And the only thing that's missing is a ring. Obviously it's built up by the end of the season, probably in the season for the valley. We'll get the engagement. Yeah, we got to clip. Yeah. Congrats. I don't, I know, I know, I know, I mean to them, but like because this show sucks so bad, I don't really care. Like congratulations. I hope you guys live a long and prosperous life and figure everything out. I just don't give a shit. Was that a live long and prosper? Uh, no, no, yeah. Did I do that? I didn't do that. You said you said you live a long and prosperous life. That's literally like live long and prosper. That's the show has created me to have like weird ticks with my hands now because I'm just so, yeah, no, you didn't actually do the Vulcan, but I, you said it, that was, that was funny. But, uh, yeah, I agree with all statements made. 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Even after all of that, Erica's crying right now because she's concerned that one, the friendship might be on the rocks and two, that Doree really is in a bad place. I think that that whole blow up was indicative of both things. I think that really highlights where Doree sat because she's going in this tirade to Kathy of like, I don't need anybody. And if anyone in my life is not good for my life, then go fuck yourself. No, no, Kathy. No, no, you let me talk. I'm done with it. I've written all of these down in my journal. I'm going to get all of them out in this moment right now. So you just zip it, Kathy Hilton, because I got too much to say. The audacity of Kyle bringing up the fact that she's going through a divorce in that moment. Unbelievable. The things that were coming out of Kyle's mouth while she's talking. And she, I mean, she said that there was a lot of truth in the things that she was saying to sure. She's like, I've got a lot of, I've got a lot of great friends that I love in my life. I don't need this friendship. Thanks. We know, like we know, we understand. That's been your attitude at the last four seasons, dude. Yeah. And you haven't, you kind of said it at a reunion at one point, but like, you haven't ever said it like that. And now you're just going to dismiss it probably because it was in the heat of the moment. I wanted her to feel as bad as she was making me feel or whatever she's going to spend it into. That's how you feel. We know we're all watching it. We can all feel it through the screens when we're watching the two of you. You guys don't hang out. Like that's the big issue with the show is the people who are big on the show just don't see each other unless they're filming anymore. It's just kind of useless. So for her to say that, that was one thing. And then to go deeper and say, what, like, I'm going through stuff too. What do you, what about me? Erica, do not piggyback off of Erica talking about all the shit that she's going through. Do not do that because you will not talk about your divorce. You're still in denial about it. You still think he's going to come back to you and you're going to just live happily ever after or whatever you have made up in your brain, but do not patronize us like that because you have not talked about that. And that has been a hot button issue for five years. You do not get to use that as a throw out line to derate just to make her feel bad. No. And that's like, you really see her. I think she thought this was the moment she's like, I've been waiting to say all of these things. It's like, oh, you've said all of these things the whole season. We've listened to this. This is not some big come up and where you got to read in a corner. This is you trying desperately to lump everyone in the table under your umbrella and point them at to read. Unfortunately, like I said, you have a lot of people complicit at the table by not saying anything at all. I don't know why people didn't jump up and say, Hey, I did talk to her. Talk about it like those does. She's like, look, I did. Yes. I talked about it with her from a place of concern. I thought Kyle was concerned for you as well. So if we were having a conversation, I told you all of this to read, to read confirms that Kyle apparently doesn't hear that part. And she's like, she's the same thing. It's like, no, it's fucking not, bro. But other people at that table, you know, like just jump up tilly even. Hey, I, I didn't say anything. We're asking the friend of like, Kathy, where Kathy goes out. She's, I know she's Kathy Helton. She's a friend of she's out with DeRite. Jennifer Tilly makes a couple of comments here and there and Bose is like, well, Jennifer, come on, what are we doing here? The main cast members just do nothing. They do nothing to the show anymore. And look, I think individually they're all fine. I don't, you know, we have our issues with people. It just, it's not a good cast that meshes together anymore. We just don't have that factor. So we can't just ask them every single season. Hey, you guys are going to hang out, going to hang out for like four months and film. We're going to get some good drama. Like there's no drama there because they're not really friends anymore and they don't really understand what's going on in each other's lives. And if they're not going to talk about it, all they have to rely on is the tabloids, which becomes a thing while they're talking about it at dinner where it's like, I, I just have to read it on the news and it got used, read it on the news, got used in a way for Erica to tell DeRite, what do you mean? You know what I'm going through. It's all over the place. And Kyle's yelling, it's in the tabloids. Kyle's the one that said that. Erica said, I'm going through stuff right now too. I've got lawsuits, this and that. And Kyle's like, it's in the news. DeRite, it's in the news. We know. God, it's just, it's infuriating because again, I mean, we have this discussion almost every episode now. The writing is on the wall, but it'll never actually get moved. It'll never get shuffled. Nothing's really going to change and changing little pieces here and there, bringing back Rachel was a good idea, but she's overshadowed entirely. And maybe, maybe if you give her three years by that third year, she's going to be an integral part of the show and she'll actually be able to do something. But right now she's not, she just isn't. No, and almost willingly, right? Like you kind of see her tap out of situations that she doesn't want to get involved in this being one of them. And I get it from a real life standpoint. Yeah, dude, like this is a disaster. Of course, you don't want to throw your hat in the ring on this one, but we need it. We need you, Rachel, because you are a very bright spot on this show. You could help take this show a different direction, which we so desperately need. You know, I know that there's people that are hot and cold on bows. Personally, I like her. I think that she's good for this show. I think that without the Kyle Richards effect, we have an entirely different show if you're centered around bows, Rachel, you could leave to read for all I care. Erica takes on a bigger role. Fine. Yeah. I don't know what we see consistently is it's the Kyle Richards show is supporting cast. It's not working anymore. And you have other people that are interesting. Erica, she's coming. She is back to who she is. And like we've desperately missed that, right? We had an understandable like she's been through a lot of shit. We had the season of her going through shit. We had the season of the rebound from the shit. Now we see her kind of hit her stride again. And when she's on, she's great. She's awesome. If you don't have everything centered around what Kyle's upset about, we have a different show entirely. Bose is a very, very powerful business woman. I want to get involved in some of that shit. Rachel is the number one stylist in Hollywood. I want to get into that shit. Erica is doing shows again. All of this stuff. Let's travel for a show. Let's go see Rachel do her thing. Let's go elsewhere other than Kyle versus fucking Doreet. Yet again, we don't need to see that anymore. And I think that if this show stands a chance, Kyle has to be out. I don't know if you have to convince her to quit on her own. Give her a different show and watch her fizzle out on her own. I don't know, but she is the downfall officially of Beverly Hills. This episode more than confirms that for me because once we're getting, we get done the issue that Kyle has, right? Like we have the big blow up moment where she's able to voice, this is why I'm so upset and everybody feels the same way. Once that happens, what do we have left? Nothing, literally nothing. We're 20 minutes. Bose getting engaged. That's my point. Like the show ends. We got credits. It's literally we did. We got credits mid episode and then they sort of used the rest of the episode to set up Rachel's party where it's like, wow, let's do a check in with everybody. It's only four days later. They're all still thinking and talking about that and they're not adding any new information. Nobody feels any differently than they felt four days ago. Kyle's elated because now she's got people on her team and she was finally able to have it out with Doreed or whatever. Doreed's probably going to feel like a woman scorned because she just went through all of that and had to deal with it. And now she's got her book released. Like, I don't know. It was a bunch of scenes from a season that was good and they just kind of mashed it all together. And when the season's not good, we don't really care. Like we're just leading up to, and this gives me no real hope for Rachel either. Again, I think she'll be good eventually, but it's hard to thrive in a show like this. She gets to that party and she's talking about it. She's like, it could go one of two ways. Either everybody's going to have a lot of fun or it's going to be an absolute disaster and I don't really want to deal with that. Unfortunately, that's the issue and that's how this show works. And that's the, that's the issue that we're going to run into with Rachel's. That she's almost too normal. Yeah. Right. Like she's not going to get involved in that stuff. And again, from a real life standpoint, totally. Fuck that. I don't want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. This show, we kind of need you, Rachel, to step up. If you have it in you, you know, just you can save the show. I think that we have enough pieces of this puzzle and I, you guys know at home. How we feel about Beverly Hills. It's very apparent every week. And yet I'm still sitting here going. I look around that table at dinner. I'm like, there's something here, but we get bogged down because Kyle dictates what we're talking about. Kyle dictates what the storyline is. Kyle dictates whether or not we continue. And like I said, not to be the dead horse. Once Kyle gets to have her moment, we quite literally have nothing left. We have 20 minutes of actual nothing. Just bopping around, seeing what people are up to in their day to day, which is fun. On like you said, a good season. I want to check in. I want to see what you're up to. If it's not a good season, I'm not invested in you. I don't really care. I don't need to see Sutton talking to her dogs. I don't need to see Rachel and her son at the store. I love Rachel. And I think it's interesting that she imparts this wisdom on her kids like, Hey, I know I'm loaded, but you're going to fucking work for your great. Awesome. Cool. But in this moment, watching the show, I'm like, just end the episode, please. Like this is stupid. Yeah, get us through hopefully next week's the finale. I don't think it is, but hopefully we got two more than three reunion, John's, but boy, sorry for the explosion at the beginning, guys. It's been a stressful day. Yeah, so any who. So we'll see how this this season wraps up. I think even for Beverly Hills, even for fucking Jeremiah, to look at this season in particular, after it's all said and done, like they have to know that they have to reshuffle things like you need a drastic change, a drastic makeover. This season has been quite literally the worst season of Housewives I have ever seen. And that's a hard thing to do. There's been some shitty products out there. This is this takes the cake. Yeah, sure does. Well, anyway, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Now that's our show. Rob Rose are out of here. Goodbye, Kyle. 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