35.13 - MU Podcast - The Hidden Timeline

Welcome back to Mysterious Universe Season 35. Episode 13. Can you believe it? We are so far into this thing. I am your host Joe Hodgden and joining me of of course as always is Brandon Thomas. How goes it man? It's good to see you. Good. How was your week? It was great. It's like winter is completely gone if it was here at all. Spring is sprung, weather report here gang. It's just bright, vibrant, wind blowing around, trees just how you doing. We've got all sorts of creatures running around. It's been nice actually man. Folks came in town, little baby brothers, baby all that kind of stuff. It's just been an exciting time and you know new babies being born in spring. It kind of follows. It's nice to expand the clan there and we're not having them which is great. But yeah it's been amazing man. How about yourself? Oh not bad. I wanted to thank Chance over at an Interverse podcast for he did something called a biofield tuning on me and this sounds wooey because it is and it's basically using tuning forks to clear stuck energy in your biofield and I didn't know what to expect going into it but it was pretty crazy. I think I was telling you about it. It reminded me of kind of a guided meditation but it's weird because when he hits the forks you can actually feel it and it's just over zoom. I just had my phone laying next to me and talking to him while he's doing this. So yeah if you are interested in doing that kind of thing, if that's your thing hit him up. I'll link to him in the show notes if you're interested but I definitely recommend. My wife's going to be doing it today actually and so I'll report back on her experience but definitely something new, something I had never tried before so it was pretty fun. Love it. How was your poop the next day? It was great. That's the true mark. He did warn me that it could be explosive but it ended up being great so I'm like oh okay perfect. There were conditions. There were warnings associated with bodily releases next day. Yeah but uh no yeah it's great. There's this weird time warp too that happened. I think I told you about that too. It was like this time dilation after the fact. It felt like that whole day was like 48 hours long which is great but I didn't plan to do anything so I'm like man I should have planned to be productive today. You could have gotten so much shit done. Yeah but yeah same same over here. We're uh fully into spring but the spring out here is a little bit different so it went from you know 85-90 degrees to back down in the 60s and kind of gloomy and rainy but uh I'll take it. It's a nice spring effect you know. Yeah yeah well spring action. Well it's on the way gang so keep it moving and or winter's on the way depending on what side of the realm you're on and we love you either way. And today we're going to be getting into a book by Guy Anderson. I did tease it last week. It's called Tesla and the Cabbage Patch Kids and it's this British guy and he's been making the rounds on different podcasts if you're interested in more of an interview style which I do want to get him on for an interview. Maybe he'll be our our first official interview of the new emu era but he does several things and he just goes into alternative history and just weird things all the weird stuff in general. He has a whole book that I think it's just called conspiracy theories from like zombies to a gartha or something like that I'll link to those two. Nice I want to hear his take on zombies. Yeah I have never done one yet. There was that alleged preparedness plan that came out right we saw images of folks sitting there in an army fatigue sitting in a classroom and found footage allegedly of leaked footage rather of them all talking about zombie preparedness with printed assets and everything that your tax dollars allegedly paid for if not a whole statement. It was an official government outlet was it a FEMA maybe? I think it was a couple years ago yeah they put out an official like zombie preparedness and it was kind of a tongue-in-cheek thing but they still put it out and everyone was like what what what do you think of this. But you think about revelation in the method and then you think about a movie like Resident Evil and things like this where there's an underground facility they've been doing some fuckery and then these things allegedly get out for whatever reason and then all of a sudden now we got zombies running around your mind's been prepped for it and they're like see you know Femur told you we got it. We gave you a warning. Amazing. Yeah so this goes into one of my actual favorite things to look into and I mean if the word tartaria is a trigger word for you there's a lot of people go out of these retards talking about tartaria he uses that word in this book as more of a placeholder term for you know manipulated history in general but we'll get into some of that but yeah it's like the term freaky woo-woo or high strangeness it just entails it's something amazing is going on we haven't put a finger on it but it's definitely that it's the historical equivalent to that. Right so uh and the the basic idea behind this book is pretty simple but I mean big implications obviously he's uh suggesting that the the timeline of history might not be as cleaner as complete as we've been taught and I would tend to it. What? Yeah and obviously that's not necessarily completely wrong uh you know maybe edited or compressed or rearranged in ways that are hard to notice unless you you start comparing a lot of different sources side by side and uh obviously the the centers around the idea of tartaria which really only came up in the last what decade when people started talking about it and referring to it as that and it was historically tartary was a term that was used on old maps so I think that's where that came from and it basically described large parts of Asia and Eastern Europe but it was kind of vaguely defined too and in older atlases you'll sometimes see huge stretches of land just labeled tartar, tartary yeah and not a lot of detail about who lived there how these regions were organized but what he's proposing is that tartaria may not may not have been just a vague geographic label but the leftover reference to a much more unified civilization that has since been removed from the historical narrative and the idea is that pieces of this earlier world may still be visible in things like architecture and city layouts even technological development in population patterns but we interpret those pieces through the lens of modern historical assumptions uh one of the key claims here is tied to this idea that the historical timeline itself may have been altered at some point particularly somewhere around the late 1700s specifically 1776 if that date rings a bell for any reason let me know yeah it's not just because of the American independence but because a lot of institutional changes seemed to cluster around that general period there was a lot of new financial systems political structures new educational you know systems and industrial developments and they all all began appearing pretty close to that date and he connects this clustering of changes to the possibility that a major transition took place during that time and not just like a political not just politically but just structurally in in general so in other words uh the argument isn't simply that government's changed but that the way history itself was recorded and organized may have shifted a little bit as well and he also discusses the idea that several hundred years may have been inserted into the timeline and that kind of creates the impression that certain civilizations existed much further in the past than they actually did yeah or for longer people lived longer all that stuff and a few hundred years is conservative anything yeah and i we've brought it up before but there's a lot of people think as much as a thousand years about a g and that's what we hear that's where the the satans little season folks you know get latch onto kind of and go hmm let's leave around it you know it's a nice round thousand years it sounds cool you know yeah those for a thousand years it's got that easier for math yes there you go yeah and so some alternative chronology researchers yeah suggest roughly 800 years may have been added which would mean that events we currently think of as ancient might actually be much closer to the present than we thought yes and that kind of claim obviously changes how everything else would be interpreted if the timeline itself is stretched or dilated somehow then the appearance of sudden bursts of innovation or construction might not be as surprising because the underlying knowledge may not have been lost for as long as we think in the so-called dark ages are often mentioned in this exact context traditionally this period is talked about as a time when scientific and cultural development slowed down significantly in parts of europe and he raises the possibility that this stretch of time might function as a kind of buffer in the historical record creating some distance between the modern era and whatever you know may have come before and whether or not that holds up it does kind of bring out something interesting about how much of history relies on interpretation of incomplete records yes and the further back you go the fewer primary sources tend to survive and the more historians rely on these fragments that have been you know preserved through religious institutions and governments things that maybe you don't trust very much yeah you know private collections even right and not to mention all this shit they openly have locked up that nobody can see think of the Vatican archives or something like this where there's heaps of information knowledge wisdom allegedly that can change humanity forever and we're not allowed to see that would be allegedly if i had a three wishes from a genie it would be to let me just roam around in the Vatican archives because there's something like miles and miles and miles worth of old books and stuff and yes white what are you hiding under there this is where conspiracy theories start up is because they put it out there in your face saying yeah we have all this knowledge no you can't see it exactly it's funny because the way that you can access it apparently is that you have to know what you're looking for but it's like how do you know what you're looking for if you don't know what's in there yeah so i want the troll room in the back with the two torches on it you know and you got to like stand on your head and say a magical term i want that door like what's the term you're like shit i don't know but i know it's there it's one of those things pet your tummy yeah exactly yeah how wild man and yes it's just a huge obvi-scation game i mean that's the thing right if there's suppressed knowledge then they're suppressed clear picture of the full story here at least what folks knew up to the time and an insert like a thousand years would be great for a concept such as a reset if there was some sort of plasma apocalypse let's say shits and gigs then that would be a nice thing for us to say oh yes maybe perhaps there was an amazing technology here but it got wiped out and it took us you know i mean of course a thousand years to build it back but again maybe it didn't work like that you know another thing he brings up keeps where he keeps kind of returning to is the sudden appearance of these large highly detailed buildings especially in the 18th and 19th centuries and across europe and the u.s you see these massive stone structures with the domes the columns the arches these this elaborate ornamentation and it shows up within a relatively short period of time so between cathedrals and courthouses uh capital buildings even things like train stations or hospitals orphanages uh exhibition halls a lot of these buildings look like they required enormous amounts of planning very skilled labor and resources yes the craftsmanship is usually extremely detailed sometimes with stonework that could be you know expensive and time-consuming even with modern tools and you're talking about these things being built around the time when people are getting around in uh car you know horse drawn carts yes horse and buggy dirt mud roads and people have done calculations on just a couple of local courthouses nothing even spectacular spectacular and the math does not math the even the ai the trained ai to not give away the game has said look yeah man if you have that many horses with this type of conditions with this stone being that far away there's no way it would actually take you much much much longer and all of these types of things and then again we get to the we get to the idea of something being founded well founded doesn't mean built does it i mean that's a play on words to say that we came upon the motherfucker and then put our name on it perhaps right he does get into that too actually the the verbiage and a lot of the just the way english changed but we'll get into that in a little bit but uh so yeah he's basically just asking whether all these buildings were actually constructed entirely within the time frame time frames that were told or whether some may have already existed and just later repurposed or you know renovated right and that very idea of repurposing shows up a lot in this book so instead of assuming every building was constructed for the function it currently serves he's kind of saying that some structures may have originally been part of a different system and later adapted to fit newer institutions here saying that 35 story building with the ornate art deco isn't just for the post office in benoy g michigan i don't even know if that's a city but it's those ridiculous kind of concepts that they build these elaborate crazy things in underground tunnel systems and all kinds of shit for this small little town yeah yeah yeah this is the part though where he gets to you know you'll see it throughout the whole book those you know the the institution was established or founded but that doesn't always necessarily mean it was built from scratch at that moment sometimes it just means the building changed ownership or use and another detail that stands out is the the presence of large institutional buildings in areas where population density at the time may not seem to justify the scale like you just said never the amount of skilled labor in the area again these things are crazy done crazy proportions the geometry the sacred geometry found within this stuff again what they allegedly were used for again the allegedly the two different types of materials were anode cathode anode cathode and i'm sure he gets into maybe some speculations on what they were possibly used for could be meaning that they could just be powered and yank power from the ether like you said the the intricacy for a post office in shabuigan it's like what what it's silly i mean lano texas has one of the most intricate courthouses it's got this massive i want to say it's seven or eight stories tall tower in the middle of it huge incredible thing which some of it looks like it's again been augmented you go to wise county courthouse out here in texas a cathedral dude it's insane you're like what is this for and they're just little pockets mary and i do this on our anniversaries here we'll go we went south one year last year we went north and so we'll just go hit like five or six of these small little towns go see like a cave in a national park or something come back and we did this last year up north in it we hit the wise county one man and it's just you're standing there on the corner going what are you talking about also when you start looking at these things at least on the northwest corners pay attention to what kind of building is there usually i'm seeing mason buildings on the northwest corners of these squares because they also encompass this very simple consistent design of it being a sort of small town square with this gigantic cathedral in the middle of the thing yeah but the northwest corners sometimes are southwest corners have your mason lounges or a mason symbol above what's now a newspaper by the way usually yeah it's crazy wild especially funny is uh some of these early accounts are talking about settlements where there's quite a large number of buildings that were already standing before these large waves of migration came in and of course that you know brings up the possibility that at least some urban environments may have existed earlier than their official founding dates or that expansion occurred way faster than we usually imagine calendar reform he also brings that up particularly the adoption of the greigorian calendar in the late 1500s standardizing this the timekeeping helped synchronize historical records across these different regions but it also means that the the structure of chronology itself is based on conventions that were agreed upon and you know implemented at specific points in time if the system used to measure time changes then the way historical sequences are interested can change along with it and language like we talked about plays a huge role here over long stretches of time the pronunciation spelling and grammar shift enough that older texts can become harder to directly interpret even small changes in language can affect how easily knowledge transfers from one generation to the next yes he also gets in the idea that major wars may have played a role in reshaping the physical landscape in ways that make it harder to evaluate earlier historical conditions those cities that once contained large amounts of older architecture were often heavily damaged or rebuilt sometimes using more you know practical designs that you know make sense in modern construction when large portions of a city are destroyed within the short amounts of time the physical record of earlier periods can disappear pretty quick easily and that's what they say a lot of the world wars were allegedly man say that three times fast were to carpet bomb out a lot of this architecture and history that was around in the area and this was sort of the idea and now I will say this when Mary and I went down to all the way down to Melbourne Australia there is heaps and I mean heaps might of old world architecture out there just tons of shit because they haven't had the world wars they haven't been bombed out like that they're just it seems like they figured that well nobody will go that far out I mean it's way out there and then just left a bunch of shit but if you guys get a chance go and get us you know our Australian audience if you guys concur with this ideal that you do have quite a few interesting structures around there that just don't make sense send us some info on it send us some pictures of that that we do want to see pictures of save your nipples keep them to yourself we do want to see pictures of that and your wieners wouldn't need to see that yeah thank you thank you though I think I needed to say it but yeah so all these all these different threads that he's pulling on the the timeline adjustments the architectural things the institutional shifts language demographic movement they're all kind of put together as pieces of a larger puzzle and he he does you know it's one of those things where you're you'd be hard pressed to find rock solid evidence of any of this in whether that's by design or not is up for debate but it's kind of like uh he's just he's trying to piece together the piece together the patterns that he's noticing basically so yes another guy I'm going to shout out here Logan Barton of luminary lighthouse I'm also going to link him in this section in this free section here so you guys can check him out dear friend he's an amazing guy runs around does pulls newspaper articles about all of this kind of stuff and finds him incredibly cool stuff he's the guy that niches down and goes to all of the uh founded on and this is how many fires were how many fires this building's been through the state markers he's the guy that goes up reads all those takes pictures of and breaks them down gets into the history he knows the architect he can name the like seven different places in Texas this dude is uh designed a building and again and when you start doing that kind of research the narrative falls apart immediately he's got heaps of stuff I'm going to link it so check that out also I'm going to let you all know in the plus extension check the links below Michigan monsters we're going to continue with that shit oh I forgot to that's a bring that up at the beginning pop it in don't worry about it there's some really cool stuff we're going to get into uh we did the melon heads on the last one so definitely checking out there's just so much stuff to cover in here there's a water panther it's the great lakes links and it's basically half amazing cat with like copper tips uh to its spines on its back and then it's got a crazy tail it's half drag and half cat some say government experiment experiment but then there are legends that go back for a long time that say this thing is just out there that area the great lakes area just has a massive amount of crazy stuff we're going to go into some ancient ship found at the bottom of one of these damn bodies of water too that last plus plus show is uh interesting it never heard of melon heads before is crazy stuff melon heads guys so check that out in the links below and you can still get inescapable up through April 14th which is coming upon us fast can you feel it it's just going yeah whoosh and it will you queef and it'll be here so go ahead and get signed up in the links below guys and that's all I wanted to say thank you okay uh so yeah like I was saying uh instead of just kind of pointing to a single piece of evidence is like oh see this is this is uh obvious uh it it's more like he's building an argument by stacking all of these observations that if you take them individually might not seem unusual but together they kind of start painting this picture that maybe the historical narrative may you know be a bit more complicated than it first appears yeah so once he kind of starts out with that idea that parts of the historical record may have been reorganized or you know reframed some way the next question is pretty obvious who would even have the ability to shape something as large as the historical narrative itself yes his argument isn't that one single secret group suddenly appeared and rewrote everything overnight it's more that certain institutions have had outsized influence for a very long time especially when it comes to preserving records uh you know defining educational standards and deciding which versions of events become widely accepted as they say history is written by the victors and it's always the good guys so yeah how amazing is that and the etymology of it of course um or the um phonetics of history would be that it's his story and it's just really interesting because yeah if you were able to sort of memento-disease yourself with this like if you could get into a way where you knew a reset was going to happen you knew you had an amnesia tuned to degree and it seems that that's sort of what this narrative and this ideal is predicated on or is woven within is that there's some sort of reset that occurs here maybe it's cyclical and if that occurs if your ancestors know to tell you to look if you put all this shit in this cave right here but then also if we let them know how to find all the shit in the cave after the reset then we're going to be leaps ahead of everybody and this may be with the breakaway civilizations all about it's the people who can lay the lowest and preserve the most knowledge and then find it again after these resets the mole people the mole people and maybe they're in on all this maybe they decide the future they're really pulling the strings from deep within the earth and they let people come out when they want like the Hopi they got the ant people right yeah could just be the mole people because they didn't mean they look like ants they meant they came from the ground like ants right yeah that would be terrifying to have an ant or a person sized ant and it just like take my hand and you're supposed to follow it underground well those things are wicked strong they can carry like so many times their own body weight so if you had an person sized ant who mm-hmm pass so obviously these organizations like religious orders or you know academia especially financial networks and even the fraternal societies have historically been responsible for maintaining archives producing the sco scholarly work on history and things like that and transmitting knowledge across the generations so if you control how much information is stored and taught then you end up having a lot of influence over how people understand the past and one thing he brings up quite a bit is the role of the Jesuits in education so for centuries Jesuit scholars were heavily involved in developing the curriculum preserving these classical texts and shaping the structure of formal learning in many parts of the world that doesn't automatically you know imply manipulation but it does show how pretty small groups of scholars have played a major role in deciding which materials get prioritized and how they're interpreted Freemasonry also shows up frequently mostly because of its connection to architecture and the symbolism and the transmission of technical knowledge through apprentice apprenticeship traditions masonic symbolism often draws heavily from geometry and classical design principles which lead some researchers to speculate that older architectural ideas may have been preserved symbolically even as the broader cultural context changed over time you know yeah and imagine telling everybody that the um what was that the library of alexandra burned down but really it didn't or maybe the structure burned down you put some fake books in there maybe to set it off but you hide all of that shit and you take it somewhere else and you preserve it i yeah i would tend to think that they probably got a lot of that if not all of it out of there and then burned it and we're like ah it's gone and it's just in the Vatican no because when we think of it in today's terms i think that that kind of shit is orchestrated as fuck and so i would think that back then it'd be no different right and so they probably had well after mentioned knowledge of this there was plenty of time to set up decoys to pull things out of there and yeah and then just to let happen what happened be a spectacle and then get passed down through history but then preserve the knowledge and then it's like faking your own death like two pock or something because then nobody's looking for you and he he does treat these organizations not as like conspiratorial actors or it's more of a this is the underlying thing of the book is this this continuity this their their structures of continuity these groups that you know persist across political transitions and they they maintain these certain traditions even when governments change financial institutions are obviously another piece of that too and those can change but the this continuity seems to stay the same it's a continuity the lizard turd this is that this is the question too is this an outside influence literally is there some sort of again you know some sort of reset that's going to happen and she's like the movie knowing or some shit right that guy comes picks up the kid spoiler alert kids leave but the people have to stay there and burn to death because there's going to be a reset it's that idea preserving you know the know his art kind of concept so it's something like that kicking about you know is that a possibility yeah and obviously the development of these central banking systems and international networks of finance they they allowed economic influence to go beyond national borders borders don't matter to these globalist lizard turds no because once financial systems become so interconnected the decisions made in one region can obviously ripple out everywhere else in so borders don't matter in that you know context but yeah uh in large infrastructure projects wars industrial expansion those often you know require massive amounts of funding and whoever controls capital tends to have some degree of influence over what gets built and when and war itself plays an interesting role too major conflicts reshape landscapes real quick cities that once contain centuries of architectural you know monuments and all this can be heavily damaged and rebuilt within a matter of years he mentions Dresden as you know one example because it was known for its this elaborate architecture but prior to world war two but as in large portions of the city were destroyed during these bombing campaigns late in world war two when cities are reconstructed after that kind of destruction architectural priorities often kind of changed toward speed and cost efficiency instead of ornamentation like the buildings that were destroyed right and who's got that kind of knowledge and the people that do have that kind of knowledge preserved are the ones that were instructing the bombing of them right what fuckery and that i think that's one of the more important and interesting things in this whole idea is because the it's a physical record and it it creates this visible break in a physical record right so older construction styles you know go away and they're replaced by these more modern materials and simpler designs but uh this he's saying that these repeated cycles of destruction and rebuilding can gradually erase these early architectural patterns and just leaving only these scattered scattered examples behind yeah another idea that comes up is uh the institutional language sometimes hides this continuity too like you brought up terms like founded established reorganized yeah or chartered maybe uh they don't always tell you whether something was built new or just renamed you think universities hospitals even admin buildings they usually have these long histories that include multiple phases of expansion and restructuring and if you look closely some institutions appear to have occupied several different buildings over time sometimes inheriting structures originally built for other purposes yeah and this connects back to the earlier idea of repurposing if buildings can change function across generations then the physical structure itself might predate the institution currently associated with it absolutely and he also points out these examples of settlements where accounts describe these large number of buildings already existing like you brought up earlier and populations arrive in these great numbers but it seems to be already set up yeah they they sort of wander onto a set it almost right it's it's just so bizarre but it's a set that's sort of a leftover it's a sloppy seconds almost again this is where sort of the demi-urge copy of the real world comes into play it's like almost like it got a glimpse but then fucked it up and when it set it all up some that idea of liquefaction is fascinating have you seen those videos of that yeah that's weird and that's where the mudflip people get off on is yeah liquid faction allegedly this idea because again the reasoning is is when you start to look at the stuff underground it's very ornate why would you put windows underground and with crown molding and all that stuff if you plan for it and they go full underground so again it does appear with your own eyes guys when you go out and see this stuff we will go to this one and it's got this huge arch as if it's supposed to be very very tall but it's so short and you walk underneath it and it feels awkward it feels like you're on the second story of something instead of ground level where you are you really have this feeling about it and then you question well what's just underneath all that stuff and is it built in a square like that around these courthouses because really it's on the shoulders of the rest of the structure that's underground that blows my mind that kind of shit right there but you see it you see these photos of them unbearing Seattle when they showed up and they were finding train tracks way below the soul having to dig them out yeah exactly man it's just this is one of the most fascinating things I think of our time is this ironically this history is a little right and these are things you can't see with your your own eyeballs you walk up to these old buildings and the windows are half in half out and it's like who who built a building like that and Logan called me the other day he went up to a bell tower of one he just met a janitor befriended him and he said oh man if you give me a you know give me a notice so you can book an appointment I'll take you through the whole thing and he went down to the basement and all kinds of shit so you guys just go out and do this again this is about Mary and I've been doing it for a couple of few years now we just go you look at stuff around you and you go bullshit you know there's no way well and the just the the Greco-Roman styling of a lot of these buildings and it's he gets into that too but like it's the same apparent time frame that all these domed structures you know like the Capitol or you know things like that it's like what's with the Greco-Roman styling of all this across the whole nation at the same time and then you'll see things in Florida like Moorish architecture and does he touch on the Moors in there um I don't know I didn't note any of it but the the idea the Moors are fascinating and this gets into depending on you know uh if you're sensitive or not about it but ideally that or allegedly the Ulmec statues that were found you know down in South America obviously black folk okay uh the idea then is that they were already here man and that was part of the indigenous folk that were running around and they were conquered rather than brought and this idea of the Moors is incredibly interesting but again very ornate architecture slightly different in certain ways but again well over the top that's a yeah that's a whole uh shown itself the Moors thing that I don't remember hearing about in school do you no there's a painting in George Washington hanging out with the Moor and it's this just really interesting thing man it's not that they were conquered more than enslaved it's a it's a very big difference there was a massive high culture that was already here just mysterious universe park so this is where population movement uh kind of becomes important so during the 19th century there's these large numbers of people you know relocating across continents especially in the u.s and parts of europe and they're all undergoing this industrial expansion and some of the more unusual things is this you know orphan train system yeah and that relocated a ton of children from densely populated cities to rural areas there's that word again rural and these programs are typically explained as social welfare efforts designed to provide housing and employment opportunities but the scale of the movement is what stands out there's tens of thousands of children were transported across these large distances over several decades in obviously contributing to the population growth in these developing regions yeah but when you're looking at the historical population charts growth patterns in some regions seem to accelerate fairly quickly during this time period when the when he's a well guy's kind of looking at it as a consistent with this broader social restructuring and uh that that's when he gets into language playing a role in shaping the continuity too so over long periods of time there's you know changes in pronunciation and spelling and that can create this distance between generations reading from the same exact text in the great vowel shift which altered pronunciation patterns in english over several centuries is one example of how language can evolve enough to make earlier writings feel maybe more older more old than they actually are like the ye oldy stuff yeah yeah place names change to cities are renamed borders you know shift around regions are reorganized and while this happens for you know plenty of reasons between political transitions just cultural change in general or administrative restructuring the the overall effect can make it harder to find connections between earlier and later records and so the main idea is that institutional continuity doesn't always look obvious at least on the surface so governments change maps change educational standards change but there's certain underlying structures that persist through all of these transitions and instead of seeing modern nation states as these entirely new creations he's looking at him as reorganized versions of earlier systems that adapted to the changing you know cultural landscape or conditions at the time yeah it's like all the forts got taken over and they installed their own guys but their own guys kind of suck and they're stuck they're just kind of doing what they're doing they can't repair the things they're just letting them to go into disarray and it just it's dumb yeah and whether or not you agree with that you know perspective on it it does show how much of our understanding of history does come from institutions that have the job of preserving and interpreting these records so yeah yeah that's where the questions come from especially when there are people that you don't really trust anyway and you're like you're in charge of all this I know I know this is the thing you're like come on man it's like being way way smarter than your boss and we all know this feeling because you're just like come on so you're the one calling the shots you get paid the salary you you know you get the perks and all this kind of shit you get the company car but you're fucking retarded man are you kidding me and you've got malicious intent which is obvious and that's the other thing to this it's a it's a silly game Bubba it's a silly game that's changing rapidly by the way and we can see it it is a game yes you gotta learn to play it right that's right so then you kind of goes away from focusing on the timelines and institutions and looks at the physical world and obviously it's pretty straightforward here written records can be edited or lost or reinterpreted but these large stone buildings tend to stick around for a while even when their purpose changes the structure itself usually survives and once you start paying attention to architecture from the 17 and 1800s you start noticing how many cities across the world share these similar designs again like we mentioned these large domes show up again and again the massive stone you know monuments all that stuff tall arched windows oh yeah long rows of columns again this Greco-Roman influence yep and they're buildings that look like they were designed not just to function but to like impress like yes they're impressive these courthouses that look like temples i mean their give a shit was dolled to 11 man nothing they did sucked and that was like the shittiest thing around because if you look at some of the churches and stuff i mean prog has some incredible stuff going on and you look over there you you just have these cathedrals and this is sort of a shittier version if you will or a simpler version of that and it's still immaculate we can't even touch it today it's fascinating i know and even like train stations they look like palaces and yeah old hospitals and asylums with the the same kind of design that you expect from a government building and it's like for an asylum what it's what there's a post office box built a post office building downtown fort worth and you guys can see it from 820 the highway when you're coming up 35 right there uh and passing on 30 it's right off of 30 and you look over and you just see this huge art deco just monolith man and it's gotta be 1820 stories tall and it was a post office depot that was it and it has it does have an elaborate train station network right there there's another place that was really cool and it was uh chuchu train themed and it was a bar right there but same thing it's just this huge incredible elaborate palace all for a post office and then they turned it into some damn haunted house in the top levels where like the floor would fall out and you fell through it it's been a bunch of crazy things but not ever probably what it was intended to be yeah and obviously the the usual you know mainstream explanation is that the architects in that era were inspired by classical greek and roman uh this this neoclassical architecture was very popular and many designers on purposely borrowed this visual you know design from earlier civilizations but guys question is whether that explanation fully accounts for how widespread and consistent those designs appear to be when you start seeing similar architectural styles showing up across multiple continents within pretty close timeframes it obviously raises questions about how design knowledge was shared and how construction techniques spread so efficiently and some of these buildings are enormous these thick stone walls and intricate carvings and detailed ornamentation that would have required highly skilled labor and even today that level of craft craftsmanship is expensive if it's even you know technically possible right he spends quite a bit of time pointing out how many of these large buildings seem to appear in the historical record within really tight windows of time uh often during periods when transportation infrastructure and industrial supply chains were still in development and it's like how did you get all that stuff there this is where you get the ai calling bullshit even even it can't go all right all right look here just hear me out yeah no it it couldn't be done like that yeah if you press it enough if you're talking to grok or something it'll eventually go yeah this doesn't make any sense so you know what you're right yeah you got me buddy and then it just shorts out and it's like error yeah error uh that doesn't necessarily mean these construction timelines are completely false but it does make the speed of development stand out one of the ideas it keeps coming up is that some buildings may have been repurposed like we talked about instead of assuming every structure is built for the institution that's currently occupying it he's saying that at least some buildings have originally served different roles and were later adopted as cities you know expanded and the population shifted around 100 what do you guys want to do with this one uh let's go to high school okay cool what's a high school we're gonna jam bunch of kids and then into it and we're gonna indoctrinate the shit out of them and make sure that they know the history that we want them to know is the history oh okay cool all right cool yeah and again i always keep coming back to these the old asylums and orphanages that have these crazy architectural features that seem a bit too elaborate than for what they're supposedly used for uh and they're usually in sometimes placed like prominent placement within city centers and it's just it's just odd i'm telling you the the apparent give a shit of that time was just dialed to 11 nothing was simple everything was awesome and made to last and it almost feels like because again he points out the consistency because then again as you niche down into this stuff you'll start to find these incredibly interesting patterns and what it feels like almost have you ever done paintball oh yeah okay so when you go to a paintball place they've got a bunch of like obstacles and shit set out right like a car that's been burned or something and tagged and um little tower over here you can climb this thing or a tree house or whatever there's things out for you to play amongst instead of it being just an open field and you just got to stand there and just get shot or shoot each other it's a it's an environment that's been set up for you to explore and experience and play yeah and this is sort of what this feels like at a level i mean have you ever made have you made this connection to this realm yeah no i that's what it seems like that yeah it feels like everything's been set up it's just that there's a team that was that's occupying it it's almost like a i don't want to say a capture the flag because that's kind of implies that there's a huge struggle in this but not that growth in itself isn't that struggle but it seems like that there's a game afoot and that the shitheads have taken over all the cool buildings and towers that were already set up here and they have been manufactured and plopped amongst the realm for us to go run about and explore and do whatever it's just this is the way the game has shifted or has started and then you just kind of evolve the stage right yeah he does bring up star forts too along with these these patterns that are appearing and these of course according to the narrative are defensive structures designed with this perfect geometric precision in usually shaped like these multi-pointed stars especially when you look at them from like google earth or something yeah and they appear throughout europe and in parts of the americas often near coastlines or you know strategic locations uh and yeah the trish traditional explanation is that star forts uh they were a response to changes in artillery technology so this angular layout allowed defenders to maintain lines of sight across multiple directions reducing blind spots and making direct assault more difficult but when you look at them from above the the whole consistency of their design across distant regions is pretty obvious the geometry is precise enough that they almost look like they were based on a shared template maybe and obviously some researchers see this as evidence of coordinated planning or shared engineering knowledge that spread efficiently across different cultures yeah this was the angled walls allegedly because when cannon fire would hit it it would bounce off and bounce up right so they had the sloped sides and that's why because the old iron sides there had didn't stand a chance against this motherfucker i just i i was again i don't remember ever reading in an encyclopedia or a history book anything about star forts i didn't know that word or that structure till in the last like several years i'd never heard of it civil war brought it up because of that battle where i think it was francis scott key was on in one wasn't it's in this the case i don't know this history enough he was anyway so he's on there he's right in the or he was on the boat and they were watching them bomb a fort i'm not sure if it was a star fort but again star forts came up when you talk about the civil war in that kind of range again because of the cannon fire element of it they were like oh yeah because cannon you know the come and take it the snake flag with the cannonball on it that was flying over star forts i guess if i did ever read about it it was glossed over enough that it made it seem not interesting or something that's right and that's the point right is to make it innocuous enough to where you just burn right over it oh man the library of alexandra burned everything went away oh that's a shame yep all right come look over here watch this football game you know what i mean it's you can skip right over if you don't double back and go but hang on is it possible that then maybe you're missing quite a bit yeah yeah star forts are fascinating dude though um steve falconer lives over in copenhagen denmark it's three star forts in one city so it's a giant what they refer to as a hedgehog star for because it's got a huge back with a bunch of little spines looking airy from the air and then it's got another one within it that's it got a castle and that has another star fort within that it's star forts within star forts the inception of star forts over there in denmark there's a lot of them if you just start googling it i mean there's quite a few and it is across many continents we went over this with i forget who it was it was somebody who was an expert on this in the old show and i think it was maybe michelle gibson somebody like this anyway but when we looked at him something i noticed was if you look at all all these star forts yes they do have this consistent pattern but there's a break in it there's an augmentation it's it's a it's a break in usually one of the centerpieces it's either an island or something and it points to a direction of my question is do those all point somewhere is that a directional line or of some kind or something so there's still a lot of questions to be answered in that realm i wouldn't be surprised if they did and or you know they're built on lay lines or you know something like that yeah all of them have the water component to them they you know and then some when you find them have been allegedly destroyed meaning broken they're not their full star anymore and the the water on which they sat near is now flowing through it and it's looks like it broke it almost or doesn't function the way it should because it's incomplete right probably got bombed or something new yeah bombed out and fucking he does bring up world affairs which is one of my favorite things because i that is something i do remember reading about somewhere when i was a kid probably but this was definitely one of those things i never got into detail on or was taught in detail about these world affairs no when you start looking at the the real specifics about them again the math doesn't add up no so yeah during the late 1800s early 1900s these massive international exhibitions were organized to showcase industrial progress and technological innovation and the photographs from these events show entire temporary cities built with impressive symmetry and scale these large exhibition halls reflecting pools grand walkways again all this ornate stuff with all electrically illuminated too yeah the one of the more famous ones the chicago world's fair of 1893 and he uses that as an example because of how elaborate the structures appear in these surviving images and yeah give it a quick goog it is insane incredible it we don't have anything that looks that cool anymore no no it these huge buildings just arranged around these wide boulevards decorated and you know or covered in decorative detailing all constructed within this really short time frame many of these buildings were described as temporary sometimes built using cluster over wooden frames but it is funny if you look into it that some of these bigger halls were they would have had to have steel framing because of the sheer weight and size of these things it's not it's not a it's not what do you call it a plaster of paris or uh no it's not like a movie set where you just chuck it out what's the thing you make as a kid you know paper mache paper mache yeah it's basically the equivalent of what they were saying but pay attention again to the language they said that they were all temporary which meant that maybe they were there and they were exactly what we think that they were which is incredibly cool structures but they were letting everyone know that they were going to tear them down yeah and a lot of them yeah either caught fire or whatever another one of my favorite things that i i definitely don't remember hearing about in school is the glass palace or the crystal palace oh man yes the amount of time it took to build that is crazy and this is before they had you know big glass manufacturing plants and all that kind of stuff and then it supposedly burned or they moved it they moved the whole thing and then it burned yep and it was like huh and this is another question i've got if you've gone out of the stone and steel and all that kind of stuff what kind of fire were they using to reset this narrative you know because it seems it again and you may get into it but airships are a big part of this as well and allegedly there was this technology flying around in the sky in these airships that had beams that would beam this dew down and smoke out these cities but it was stone that they were warping and melting and so what is the deal with the technology was it sort some sort of advanced greek fire or something like this where it could you know just destroy those kind of structures or do they really have to go and blow these things up or would they call that seen home those fires that what they call it i think so actually and then there was a movie exactly what the statistics on it in a silly way what is the the mainstream definition of saint elmos fire look yeah it was actually an incendiary weapon used by the the Byzantine empire from the seventh to the 14th centuries uh it says saint elmos fire is a weather phenomenon in which luminous plasma is created by a corona discharge from a rod-like object such as a mast, spire, chimney or animal horn in an atmospheric electric field. Yes yes we talked about this actually now i'm remembering and this actually but greek fire was likely invented by a refugee named Killa Konikinovs of heliopolis and this liquid fire was used in naval warfare shot from bronze tubes hot to burn enemy ships often continuing to burn on water which secured many victories so again if the recipe for this which was allegedly lost right for a little while and then they yeah because it was top secret but if you've got access to all the knowledge you probably have access to the recipe for this shit that'd be a good way to kind of smoke all these things out maybe it sounds like uh what's that i love the smell of napalm in the morning napalm yeah it's a kind of napalm uh another detail is the presence of large buildings in areas that were supposedly still developing at the time uh there's accounts describing towns and what's substantial numbers of buildings are already standing like we mentioned earlier um and the question here is about how quickly certain areas expanded and whether earlier phases of development may may not be fully reflected in these simplified historical summaries again the the religious buildings the cathedrals and basilicas they all have these similar structural elements and uh many of these buildings were constructed to last for centuries using materials and techniques that prioritize durability and beauty obviously yeah and so yeah the basic idea is that it when you see all of these across these large geographic areas it it's scenes that architectural knowledge is being transmitted between these regions uh and urban planning even the the patterns the way that uh you know grid layouts and uh these carefully aligned boulevards and radial street patterns all that kind of stuff yes like i was saying the square they're very intentional you get there you know okay i'm in the square yeah the town square yep and so he's basically saying that the scene seems like centralized planning efforts that you know city development followed structured design principles instead of just this organic oh we're going to make these buildings like this now it was too similar again like it was sort of set up like this it was just plopped in bunch of folks were plopped in and they go all right here you go guys make it work we're going to ship some kids your way here you go just more of a pattern noticing of this continuity that he's getting after that's so bizarre and transportation networks they all expanded pretty rapidly during the same general period you know railways like you mentioned earlier shipping routes connecting these cities across long distances and and obviously allowing materials and people to move more efficiently than before and that increased connectivity made it easier for architectural styles and engineering techniques to spread but the main point is that uh the physical environment just contains these patterns that invite uh maybe a closer look i guess we'll say i would say so yeah and one of my favorites is maxie again he talks about that's uh yeah so you get to seattle on the late 1800s and then all of a sudden you just decide that the most elaborate sewer system ever is where you start and you have this incredibly unique elaborate underground system that you base everything on and then you start building because it's just insane like you said the type of folks that were there the amount of population that was there the type of skilled labor that must have existed either they were all stone masons that all had magic tricks up their sleeves and knew what edley scowley and knew and they did bang this out and then in the time frames they said just not in the way that they said maybe using something a little different because again the math that math right it just it's an interesting thing to look at this is again one of my favorite topics you could easily do 12 episodes in a row on this show i'd be fine with it oh i know and i again you'll have to get the book because uh i highly recommend you read through it yourself because it he goes into a lot of detail but uh so then he goes on from uh from buildings in in the physical markers of this you know apparent lost uh civilization type of idea into technology and that's when this timeline starts to feel even a little more compressed because within this real short window of time electricity goes from being a lab curiosity to something lighting in entire city blocks all of a sudden telegraph systems you know connecting continents electric street lights just out out replacing gas lamps which is a funny thing that used to be a thing gas street lights yes they had people that would walk around and light them yeah lamp later they'd walk by and i'd like to let hand light all of them it sounds honestly like a nice job you got that or grave digger what we do want uh lamp lighter i go lamp later right yeah yeah yeah and it's it's just one of those moments in history where everything seems to accelerate all at once and it's so funny because i thought about this when i was a kid the the nerdy kid i was i was looking at the history i'm like so everything was basically horse and buggy for thousands of years and then all of a sudden within the last hundred years we go from that to this modern you know internet era how did yeah is it just a hundred monkey thing where all of a sudden you're we all speed up at the same time the last hundred years it's crazy i love that little kid that little joe is one of my favorite kids that that's such an adorable guy i love it as i'm playing super mario world i'm thinking about uh existential fucking technological expansion yeah like the realm logistics and geopolitical socioeconomics are just like ha oh but i made the jump on mario but yeah it's weird huh and that the amount of olive trees that are exist in the world can't add up to the amount of olive oil what's that about mom the amount of corn have you ever thought about how much corn is in the world i just like it's those kind of things i'm just grow your own man if you want to eat it just grow your own or know the dude that does whatever i'm just weird at that point really so with technology obviously the standard explanation is that the the scientific understanding had finally reached a point you know critical mass where multiple discoveries begin feeding into each other improvements in metallurgy made better wiring better mathematical models helped engineers design more efficient systems industrial production made component components more widely available and you know knowledge builds on knowledge eventually hit a stretch where progress just accelerates but guy looks at that same time period and he's kind of going uh what he's asking whether some of that knowledge may have already existed in some form it was simply being adopted or adapted into new economic structures and that's where nicolet tesla comes in he's always been interesting because even within mainstream history he's kind of portrayed as slightly outside the norm you know is brilliant prolific but also pursuing ideas that didn't always align with the direct industrial development yeah or the path that you know was going on at the time he was alive at least there's a lot of weird stuff around him he's the david blame of science he's just such a bad boy he's right outside he's like the kevin bacon of science he does what he wants yeah and obviously his experiments he's known for you know high frequency electricity wireless transmission and resonance based systems and that's just not the way people were thinking about things at the time or so we're told yes and that's the thing too if you go with the narrative then it's this idea that yeah people were just dumb and they were just coming out of farms and all this kind of stuff but man this reset ideal just looks a little bit more interesting it sort of starts to make more sense if you're pattern-seeking right so instead of generating power in one location and sending it through a network of wires to paying customers he was looking into the possibility that electricity could be transmitted through the atmosphere or through the ground itself you know the ether uh the warden cliff tower is probably the most well-known example uh that project was designed as part of a system intended to transmit signals and potentially electrical power wirelessly across long distances but of course the funding dried up and the tower was never fully completed and this centralized electrical grid model became the dominant approach sounds like somebody was like nope nope nope can't do that nope but it is funny because i think i mentioned it but is it sweden or maybe japan or something that just did a experiment on doing that and it worked sending electricity wirelessly yeah i think they've stopped killing people for that and that's the thing is if we are in some sort of realm where it's available maybe the monkeys sort of go a little bit ahead of narrative they're like no no no we can't unleash that yet we can't open that present yet it's not christmas so they take people like that out that could have advanced the technology i think now it's getting a little bit more open i think now it's just they can't hide it anymore and that's the whole point that's why you look around and it's like a fire sale with all the governments of the world which is why you have this show so you can escape from bullshit like that yeah and come learn about cool stuff but you have that whole age and then this the psychological operations that went along with tesla were fascinating with him and edison and that whole bunch of nonsense you remember topsy right topsy yeah topsy 1875 to 1903 was a female asian elephant in the united states oh yeah yeah she was famous for her 1903 public execution at coney islands luna park after kelly this was edison and he filmed it called a prized film with 6000 volts and it was called electrocuting an elephant so this smut film was made by thomas edison to say that um tesla's ac was unsafe and that's what he did and it again it's this psychological operation stuff you know and man you know before disney i suppose they really got out there and were just murdering animals in the street and then now they just do it in animation and scare us that way yeah yeah that was a that's a wild story that he did that i mean i don't think edison was as much of a genius as we're told either but he is a puppeter man i mean he's a zahi hawas he's another you know member of the faction he's a member of the game in my opinion one of the original gatekeepers definitely yeah uh and he does connect tesla's experiments to the earlier architectural discussion by pointing out that many large buildings from the same general period include these towers and domes and metal structural elements and some reachers interested in historical electrical experimentation have speculated that elevated conductive materials may interact with atmospheric electrical charge here we go of course interpretations very widely but that's the uh the aether idea in the anode cathode thing that you brought up yes yes go on take a look at these buildings guys the red white red white red white that alternating pattern and the alternating material pattern and then you look around and go around the structure and see if you can find the copper wire running from what was up there to down now a lot of them have taken some of these towers down they've been knocked off whatever but some of them still retain their copper and man they're all patinaed out you know they have that real cool age look to them and you could still find some yeah and this uh late 1800 surge of experimentation with electrical systems and a lot of them went into tons of different directions at once but the uh there's early electric vehicles you know and they were alongside steam powered and combustion designs so cool that one wheel you know with the kid riding it they even had a version for your kid that it could ride in this single wheel so cool yeah there's all these various competing approaches to power generation and they were explored before certain standards became dominant and why do you think that is oh we know why it's a subscription based model you got to keep buying gas so that you can keep keep driving and the electric cars today I think are BS because you still a lot of people that buy electric cars think oh you just the power just comes out of the wall and it's like where do you think that comes from there's some really high percentage of power that's still coal or gas my favorite is behind every Tesla station if you look that big building back there that they painted cream or something or maybe they put it's a fake palm tree that's got 5g tower stuff all over it if you look in that building that's a diesel generator inside that that's what's powering those things to power your car and there are people who will put a diesel generator in their in the back in the trunk of the car and then power it on the side of the road or something and I've seen people run a diesel generator and then run it out and then just kind of close the close the trunk a little bit and just drive like that right it's so silly there was this ice storm or something that happened and then all of them shut off and nobody could use them so everybody was stuck countless reasons why it's a bad idea guys the again the idea that that's not diesel oh there was another one there's a diesel shipment that needed to come in refill the generator so that the guys could put the electricity in their car to get to work it's this kind of silly nonsense I know you guys see it out there if you listen to this show you see it it's so funny and it's it's just not the technology isn't where it needs to be yet for me to even ever consider getting an electric car it's just the battery technology isn't there it's what a couple hundred miles and then it takes eight hours to recharge it's like no it's not even the technology available for what they're claiming it can do because again we know that this tesla type electricity this this ether we know that this exists we know it's out there we know y'all are probably using it to power these craft that you're flying around it's telling us that your aliens in it's it's this idea of like we know it exists so this continual masturbatory process of pumping fossil fuels or solar any of this other shit that doesn't work it doesn't work on purpose you're not supposed to be using it for this perhaps and or that there's just such a better way that we could be doing this on the scale in which we need it to function i'm absolutely convinced there's a better way to do it bro just and there's people that come up with it and then you don't hear about them anymore they go working on it we are working on it we're almost there and you feel it right you feel the tide shifting like our awareness of this can't keep it from us you see what i mean yeah no one can stop an idea whose time has come that one and he does uh you know when you in this very in this time of various different experimentation with these technologies the world's fairs show up again here because they often served as the demonstration spaces for these new electrical systems so again if you look into this i'm just glossing over but the the exhibition halls that were illuminated by electric lighting would have been very impressive at the time i mean entire streets glowing at night in ways that would have been unfamiliar only just a couple decades earlier yeah and the photographs from these events show the extensive lighting setups across these huge areas and so that kind of suggests that engineers were able to scale electrical infrastructure pretty quickly once the you know underlying technology was understood uh industrial expansion accelerated alongside these developments factories you know increased production capacity to the whole industrial boom it's funny because uh i think i've seen a couple people break down the amount of wattage it would have taken to illuminate that for how long they did and you would need crazy electrical production plants that just weren't there at the time didn't exist they didn't exist the interesting too is a lack of bathrooms in a lot of these places too have you has he gotten to that or talked about it i might i've heard a lot of people talk about these the world's fairs especially but i don't remember the bathroom thing what's that some some have bathrooms some do not and this is the thing is that allegedly maybe you didn't need to poop is that a thing that you didn't need to go to the bathroom is that a thing man could that be possible for some for the ones that built this thing didn't we just bring that up about how your poo just goes into a different dimension i think it was on family guy or maybe that's it maybe they they just have evolved where they put little it's like an inserting thing like a what is that thing that girls can put up in them for birth control you like you i'd or something yeah i ud i ud is nothing very uterine device yeah i ud okay i think provide explosive device something like that anyway so yeah it's like something and you just oh yeah i'm going to get my portal installed and you know you're called to brown eye portal and that's it and there's no more poopy it's easy the toilet paper industry is behind this they were they were reluctant at first but then they were cut in so they were cool big tp that's right big big shit ticket was not having it so we'll close out here in a minute but i did want to get to a little bit of the the cabbage patch stuff since it's part of the book title yes so after this he kind of goes towards you know population and kind of what we talked about earlier with the whole it just seemed like the population boom was disproportionate to the time like when you think about the 49ers right 1849 all these people came out to california and before that it was what the organ trail type of idea where people are coming out in these caravans and trying to settle and then there's the boom in 49 but it's crazy if you to look at the amount of time that elapsed between that and then you see pictures of san francisco in like the 1860s and it's a full-on city yes it's like how did you build with with horse and cart how did you build all that that quickly and now there's like a million people there it's like what did did all of them bring their own tools and everything there where their hardware stores showing up with supplies regularly to make sure that the tools were provided the nails that went into building structures like that i mean just again the raw material access where was it all coming from yeah it doesn't make sense it really doesn't so the you know obviously the standard explanation it points to you know improvements in agriculture and sanitation and medicine all of all that helped reduce mortality rates but uh and you know better food production meant fewer famines the advances in hygiene reduced the spread of disease blah blah blah blah blah but when you look really close at the numbers the math ain't mathen the rate of increase is surprisingly fast these cities expand rapidly new neighborhoods just appear uh institutional systems grow to support larger populations one example that uh well we brought this up earlier but the orphan train thing in a the these programs operated for decades and involved like we mentioned tens of thousands of children and it's like where did all these these kids come from um and alongside orphan trains the 19th century also saw expansion of orphanages orphanages is uh reform schools hospitals and the these asylums and that's a whole rabbit trail too with the asylums but yes uh so again he's pointing to the the asylums and the hospitals with the the architecture and all that kind of stuff but the textbooks at the time uh well so public schooling became a little bit more standardized during this time too and these shared historical narratives became more widely distributed and uh yeah obviously with the creation of standardized textbooks and all that stuff it it created this consistency in how events were described in helping create this common understanding of the past and obviously that can strengthen social cohesion but can also just simplify complex historical developments into a more you know uh teachable summary yeah so the reference to cabbage patch is uh it's kind of it's just suggesting the idea of populations appearing within an already structured environment right so in folklore the stories about children coming from cabbage patches or you know other unusual origins were usually used for like humor simplified explanations for you know to kids like the stork type of thing you know yeah yeah like oh the stork brought the baby out and bang your mom but yeah the instead of focusing on literal interpretations the the symbolism more points towards this broader theme of the continuity and the language changes and all that stuff but the the cabbage patch thing is you could probably do a whole show just on that because if you've never heard of that before it's really strange i mentioned on the last plus show i think but it's uh you can find pictures of these postcards of these children being brought out of cabbage patches and the whole thing is just bizarre it's another one of those things i don't remember hearing much about and maybe it's because it was just there for a humorous easy way to say oh baby's coming from the cabbage patches you know but i don't know guy guy thinks differently nope for sure and we love you guy you're my buddy guy and another uh katie nulls dear friend of mine shout out dear friend of olivar's actually she's wonderful she pointed out the red blue thing because i talked about red blue of course the hot cold thing she said of course in these postcards it's also noticed that the babies the boys were wearing pink and the girls were wearing blue because blue is more associated and feminine with girls and pink vice versa so that was one of the changes as well that inverted was the inversion of the assignment of the colors of boys and girls and now you have of course all the gender reveal shit following that narrative of well with pink and blue but that's one of the narratives and it's displayed in these weird postcards man they're like this odd clip art shit and a cabbage patch does imply that a garden is there and that it was already set up and that you were farmed to exist in an environment that already was populated and you have a purpose it sounds more like you're a commodity at that point right and maybe a material but perhaps the commodity become can become self aware and that's what this is right and then you get into the incubator babies and all that so again i'm just i'm presenting this more as just kind of an overview of the idea in general if you want to get more of the details i highly recommend you just pick up this book and also there's a plethora of information everywhere else like you said michelle gibson does a lot of this um and it just depends on which rabbit hole you want to go down if you're even interested in this kind of stuff because it he tried to bring a lot of these ideas together into one one volume you know but that there's so much so many other ways you could go with it with he gets into clones in some of his books and he thinks that you know humans have been cloned for a long time and not just celebrities and all these crazy ideas but he thinks they've been cloned for a long time so super interesting guy templates and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah the like keanu reeves been around for a real long time and obviously you can get into crazy town territory with some of this and people it's the internet people go way overboard but it's still fun so god you're interested in this stuff so much fun i love it and i will link to that in the show notes of course and i will also link to his other books if you're interested in going down a specific hole with all of this stuff but thanks for joining us stick around for plus if you're on plus otherwise we will catch you next week uh did you want to give us a quick preview again for what you got coming up absolutely if you guys missed the last plus episode on Tuesday go check it out because it's awesome first of all second of all and we are going to continue that because there's just a it is just a mad area we started with the michigan monsters with the melon heads and many more monsters but we're going to continue this and we talked about a green a giant green squirrel the size of a beelik which were also i found more on a couple articles i linked with it too and a few other things there's this thing that i had never heard of called the what is this the name rogue have you ever heard of this in a i in rogue two words it's a devil dwarf and it's a rare urban monster and it appears just before awful events and it lists out a few of these awful events that this thing appeared before but this is a folkloric legend out there and according to folklore it showed its ugly face prior to the to the battle of the bloody run in 1763 in 1805 fire that decimated the city there general william holes surrender of the city to the french army in 1813 showed up right before that shit and then there was this the race riots in 1967 boom he popped up and then also the there's this awful ice storm in 1976 and he popped up right before that and it's got kind of like mothman vibes but it's a completely different character we're also going to get into a few other things that are running around out there and some stuff under the water in the great lakes because not only does it have land-based freaky woo-woo there's all sorts of aquatic fun happening out there and we're going to get into a few of it so sign up in the links below guys check that out you can as well get inescapable up through april 14th which is rapidly approaching so definitely take the guys up on that and thank you again joe that was awesome and we could do millions of those guy i love your love your face we i've seen your work and you're just awesome so thanks again to that well done a guy thanks for sending me that book and i i hope that gives people a general overview of the this idea if you've never heard of these ideas before then that should give you a good start at least but definitely check out his other books if you want to get deeper into it and uh again be linked down in the notes but everybody have a great weekend and we will catch you next friday if you're on plus stick around and for for brandon's you know cool stuff he's got coming up yeah all right everybody have a great weekend so welcome to your plus extension and thank you guys so much for being with us here on plus