Jake Shields x Nick Fuentes

Lazarion stepped in and like stop being idiots. That's a be friends again. So thanks for coming back on. Yeah, absolutely good to be back with you Yeah, I think I think you've just been crushing it lately with Iran Trump I think me and you are the only podcasters on the right that didn't endorse Trump. I Think you're right. Yeah Because a lot of the people that agree with us about Israel wound up endorsing him even some of the people that are against the war now I Had a lot of pressure to endorse him Did you maybe not as much because you already kind of ostracized but they were kind of offered me like favors bring me to the White House But oh, yeah, huge. I mean I was I came out very early I think in May or June of 24 saying I wasn't gonna vote and the pressure was enormous We were ridiculed me and the Gropers ridiculed and attacked throughout the whole election For that and and we said specifically we're not voting for Trump because he's gonna bring us to war in Iran And here we are, you know, so you know what? I didn't think he was a bring him to war that ran I I did know he was owned by Israel But I actually I thought was possible, but I thought it was like 30 percent 20 percent You know that because you kept saying that Yeah, thanks, but he was gonna do exactly what they were gonna say or why do you think he was because it's so insane to go To war with Iran It's totally insane and it wasn't even on most people's radar I remember having conversations of people back then and telling them this is a real risk It's a real concern and for most normies. They just weren't even thinking about it and the reason is You got to remember 2024 This was in the thick of the war in Gaza as well as the war in Lebanon and the regime change in Syria That all happened in rapid succession in the spring summer and then fall and winter of 2024 And so I remember watching all that heat up and I always knew basically since the beginning that eventually that campaign by Israel Would roll into a regime change war in Iran just based on the rhetoric They were even broadcasting it very openly at the very beginning early on and so I just listened to what Netanyahu said And I saw that they all coalesced around the Republicans and when Trump won the nomination Mary Matleson cut the check for a hundred million dollars and I just sort of saw the vision Israel's taking it to Iran They need Trump in position because they need America to help them and so I didn't know exactly like you said it's so Shocking that it has happened. I didn't know how or when exactly but I knew that eventually that was gonna be the play and Sure enough there it went. Yeah, it's a hundred percent bad for America. I don't see a single good thing people are dying getting killed It's just like hard being a very proud American. I know you are too It's been hard kind of like spiritually to be that we're the bad guys out there just I mean the first missile strikes targeted at all girls school It's just been kind of hard coming to terms with this Yeah, it is and I think that in particular This war makes us feel like we're an evil country and we have an evil leader and I didn't even feel like that necessarily when the war in Gaza was happening only because There was some reluctance from the Biden administration to support it and Now now that this is full steam ahead in Iran. Trump is leading it. Trump is this is our war This is not like Israel with American support This is a US war that Israel of course dragged us into but Trump is taking the lead and it's the deception It's the flippancy with how he's talking about he's being very flippant about it an insincere It's the brutality and the cruelty of the conflict and you really feel like we have an evil leader like a Diabolical leader that is just wicked there. There doesn't seem to be any grace or charity I don't see any godliness in Trump anymore So there is the psychological effect where it feels like we've sort of lost control entirely There's just not even a semblance of it feels like we're a demonic nation right now. So I agree with you. It's not a good feeling Yeah, it does and we were both Trump supporters We both turned on him, you know for a lot of people but seeing I don't it's not doesn't feel like he's the same person He always had some of these tendencies But it seems like something's just gone wicked off the deep end or maybe or maybe we missed it before But it's just truly dark and evil like hopefully he has that deadline tonight or he's saying he's just gonna massacre I'm basically genocide. I was just before the start of reading maybe they have a deal. I have no idea what's true I hope he doesn't just start bombing massacring children because how can we you know be proud Americans and yeah I was just in Vietnam the first time in my life I ever felt like a little weird saying I was American people looking at you a little different I love my country. I am a patriot people say oh, I'm disloyal. You're a traitor like no, I'm not a traitor I'm trying to take my country back. I'm sure you feel the same way. I do I love America and I'm a patriot and I even you know when we talk about the situation in Iran I said on my show. I'm praying for Iran I actually want them to prevail in the conflict, but I'm a little conflicted about it because of course I don't want Americans to die and I don't want American soldiers to die in the conflict and I Want America to be a successful and victorious and proud country However, we are in this position because we clearly have no sovereignty There is no connection between what the American public wants and what we believe in and what we're actually getting from the White House It's like the least popular war in modern history and I don't think anybody believes it's in our interest even if I'm sure you have some Trump supporters that believe that maybe they trust Trump or they have some confidence in him They're still a remnant there I don't know if anybody believes that this has any positives for us or or at the minimum that it's more positive for us than it is for Israel so that's always the rub and yeah, so it puts you in a weird position but I would say that you have to draw a distinction between The regime which is Trump and the Trump government and America which is the people and the history and the land and all that I love America. I don't love I don't love this regime. That's in control right now Exactly, they don't represent us I was actually really surprised to you praying for Iran because like the night before I found myself praying for Iran and the soldiers And I was thinking oh this people think this is so insane and then I saw you Admitting that I was like wow it's not something I expected from like a right-wing commentator They act like you're some evil guy and you know you have basic humanity and respect Well, I'm a Christian. I'm a Christian. We don't want to see innocent people die And I'm a huge believer in that and you know in as much as we have views about racial politics or about Jews This is just a reflection of how people get along but and I don't believe under any circumstances We should be killing a civilization. I don't even know what that means. Yeah, they're not some backwards people I know a lot of Iranians are not these like backwards cave people like they act like they are it's like There's something nicest friendly people. I've been around so to treat them they dehumanize them They do you rise the gardens of Lebanon? It's just been a tough year spiritually I think for for a lot of people like a spiritual battle in this country You know I used to be anti-religion, but it's pushed me towards God and you realize if there's a devil there has to be a God Right. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and it shocks your conscience It it awakens you to the fact that we do have written on our hearts a sense of right and wrong and good and evil Everybody knows that everybody's born with it. Everybody has it. It's just that over time you get desensitized You learn not to listen to it or you turn it off But when you see the most absolute heinous evil, which is what this is it's just blood thirsty Like you're talking about genocide mass murder I think that awakens you to the fact that we're moral beings. We live in a moral universe We're meant to tell the truth and fight for what's right people have dignity and when they lose their dignity when they're dehumanized So they could be killed we recognize intrinsically. There's something very wrong. Maybe there's something that's the ultimate evil So I think there's a lot of truth in what you just said Yeah, I'm a father. I have children so when I see these children being slaughtered it just hurts I had to stop going through the telegram channels looking at stuff It was like now I'm like a strong guy, but it was messing me up mentally looking at too much of this stuff Like I got to stop looking as I can't imagine what they've suffered through the Palestinian people the It's just bizarre watching our country turn evil. I don't know how do we turn it around? I don't Office and I'm like do I I started looking at trying to fix the problems. I'm like, I don't even know what could be done I Don't think there's anything that can be done I think that the country needs a reckoning is what has to happen the country is wicked and decadent and arrogant And what you see throughout the Bible? Ironically in the context of Israel is that when the people become proud and when they don't listen to God God punishes them God humbles them and I don't know that it necessarily works exactly the same way But I think we tend to find that when people become arrogant, you know, there's that saying pride goes before the fall They have a habit of inviting and attracting ruin and destruction and this country has had opportunities I think to do the right thing and people are not stepping up to the plate People are not doing the right thing and so we will be humbled and I think that it's it's incumbent on the good people To try to do what we can all we're called to do as Christians and as decent people It's not that we're supposed to change the outcome or fix America That's up to God the world is in God's hands all any one of us can do is take accountability for ourselves Every day one day at a time telling the truth trying to do the right thing treating each other with charity and Compassion and gentleness and mercy that's all anybody can do And all anybody can do is is try to reflect on their own actions. Am I part of the solution? Am I part of the problem? Are we gonna be part of the are we gonna be the part of this generation? That will inherit this fallen country and try to put it back together. Are we gonna be destroying it? And unfortunately a lot of people want to be a part of the problem Yeah, I'm gonna at least try you know, it's like I'm the least try I felt like a calling You know, maybe from God you probably self-divor. I don't God whatever it is I felt like I had to speak up people trying to talk me out of it when I first started speaking up I mean you obviously know how crazy it was because you were long before me the amount of Ostrization you've had but I just felt like I had a moral obligation To do the right thing and speak up and try to push the country in the world towards a better place Yeah, for me it was just I see me. I was always into politics I was always obsessed with it and I just went where the truth is and it was very obvious as an 18 year old Like they're not hiding it Then you have this subversive influence in the country and if you just look at it long enough You'll see it and for me was just never a question It was always whether we were gonna tell the truth or whether I was gonna tell the truth and face the consequences or You knowingly lie So that you can make money so you could have platform access and I could just never live like that So for me, it was just not even really a question. It was I I tell the truth. I'm in politics I want to know the truth share it and if that's what the truth is so be it and you know, you get persecuted That's a story of humanity. Yeah Oh, I want some super chest, but I'll read those at the end We got like a one hour because Nick's got a tight time schedules last 10 minutes read super chat So we don't like break the flow But just yet back back to the thing though. You're at such a young age 18 years old I couldn't have sacrificed like you did the way you were ostracized. That's tough I don't think people understand but most people following you know, don't understand what you went through like you lost your banking I was talking to kick arguing with them But why aren't you paying Nick and then I realize the payment processors are like won't pay you Yeah, yeah, I'm a processor. It's like what? Well, I love your guide said Can I say this what he said to you about it sure yeah, he says What did he say he said that I should squash the beef or Professor yeah This guy he's a nice guy He was trying to help but that's a yeah just squash the beef with the payment process People yeah, I'm banned on I'm banned on stripe Which is why I can't get paid on kick and they go well he just needs to sort it out with stripe It's like I I wish I wish I could have payment processing and banking, but I can't so yeah, it totally sucks Oh, you want to criticize the Jews will shut your bank down. Did you see a just got kicked out of I don't know That's it was I saw the headlines some kind of music thing kicked him out of honest concert or what it was and he even apologized They don't they don't accept your apology No, they banned him from the whole country they banned him from the UK Yeah, so he was supposed to be the headlining act at this music festival in the UK and What happened is first all the sponsors pulled out So all the people putting up the money for it said unless you cancel on him We're not giving you money So all the sponsors pulled out and the head of the festival actually stuck by yay and said well We're going on with the show regardless We don't need the sponsors because we believe in free speech well Then the government Intervened and the government said well, we don't believe it's conducive to the public good to let yay Go to the concert so they're not even gonna let him into the country and this is because the Jewish deputies I guess they lobbied the government they lobbied the prime minister to make this decision I don't know exactly how it works there and you're right. That's even so He apologized to a rabbi then he took out a full-page ad in the Wall Street Journal Which was a one-page apology then as all this was happening He released another apology. He sent to the I don't know if it was that this Jewish group in the UK He said hey, I just want to come and share my music It's all about love and unity and and I'll come meet with the Jews if you'll just let me perform and they told them They said well you can come and apologize to us, but you can't perform They said if you want to come and make amends, we'll let you do that But we won't let you perform here and then the government kicked them out So it just goes to show you you know people think they're gonna say what they need to say swallow their pride Make their apology then they're gonna get put back in business. It's not like that The Jews want you to fundamentally submit. They want their Humiliation ritual they want their apology they want their penance and they want it in perpetuity They don't just want it once or twice They need to know they got you and if they don't got you then you can't play you're not in business anymore And and I don't know if there's a clear example of how that works than what just happened this week No, that's so wrong and yeah, he's a guy I just really like for some reason I knew you to just see something about him Just he's so unique such a great artist such a you know a genius and in a weird sort of way And it just sucks seeing them do that to him, you know, I wish you wouldn't apologize, but I understand He probably wanted his life back. I think they took his kids away I don't know the details behind that but that's just you know, he said the father that's the most evil thing like in the song He's like what'd you say you took my kids in bank account? So they came a Nazi like he tells you why it wasn't like out of nowhere that he decided to He didn't just randomly come anti-Semitic you take your kids in bank count away. What are you supposed to do? I mean, you know more than anyone the banks at bank situation. I'm lucky I'm one of the first generations of people that started speaking up that like didn't use bank accounts I mean, I still could but like pretty much everyone like you Ryan Dawson all the people before We get their bank accounts x'd out like what else you got blocked out of pretty much everything, right? Yeah, Airbnb banks payment processors all the social platforms Spotify Apple names. It's literally like everything you can think of I actually know of somebody that got banned on Claude recently on Anthropic what's what's Claude? What is it? It's it's one of the AI? It's one of the AI models, but you wanted the big ones paper girl like beat a woman and it's all fine But oh you question Jewish power. They're gonna there we don't have it. Oh you say we do we're gonna cancel everything It's just insane. No other group could you know, it's funny like black people You never see black people going and apologizing to priests, but they go begging to rabbis. They want the humiliation ritual They did that to a basketball player He said read a book and he had to go get I think he gave like a tiger or thing Yeah, and he had to go apologize to rabbis. I just couldn't do it. I mean you obviously either it's like I just couldn't do it They're not gonna forgive you anyways. They just want to humiliate you over and over and over So switch it up a little bit like I met you a few years ago You had a massive hardcore following, but it was small like people loved it was a small hardcore group You've transcended into mainstream celebrity like what's that like? Well, it's very strange. It's very strange because Like you said, I had been doing this for a long time and nobody really knew me I was very niche and now all of a sudden I'm literally in just the past like nine months I get recognized everywhere. I go every time I go out to eat every time I I go to the mall or the airport Anywhere I get recognized and it's always positive because even when people did recognize me before they hated me because they thought oh There's that white supremacist Nazi. Let's go spit in his food. Let's go attack him in public now people come up and they're like Oh, I'm a huge fan. I want a picture. Oh, my friend loves you. They got the merch on whatever So it's very strange and it's a little bit disconcerting though because I'm a very private person I like to be very discreet when I move around in the world and now it almost makes you paranoid And I'm already a paranoid not very trusting person but now the new thing as I go to the airport and People will be there waiting at the airport They know what my flight information and they're there waiting at the gate or at the security checkpoint To get me to sign an autograph and you know and I never do it I never sign the stuff and people say well You're an asshole because people come up and say can you sign this I drove a long way and I go no but the reason why is because What they're implicitly saying is like we know all your movements. We know where you're gonna be We know when you're gonna be there. We know where you're going and you know So I understand why a lot of people think that's like an innocent little thing. Hey, what's the big problem? I just wanted my hat signed but for someone like me It's like well, I don't want people to know where I'm going and where I am and you know I don't want to have people breathing down my neck like that. I like to move through my life So there's some aspects of it that are a little bit like I said, it's a little uncomfortable and disconcerting But I guess that's part of the job Well, someone just tried to assassinate you and that should have been a bigger story That kind of guy like literally someone came to your door and tried to kill you who kills several people that should have been a bigger story in my opinion Yeah, you think and they denied it they denied it then they went on TV and they said oh well He alleged that someone tried to kill him It's like the guy murdered three people then drove three hours to my front door and got out with a loaded gun in his hand Knocking on the door yelling where's Nick and people go I alleged he tried to kill me Yeah, right there to you and that was after that viral tweet of was it my your body my choice Yeah, people don't get it's like a joke it's Yeah, they didn't get a lot of that was like it's so weird too because that happened right before I blew up So I went from Everyone hating me like literally everybody in the country for a minute every woman in particular Hating me in the whole country like my lawyer was like my daughter told me you represent that asshole I can't like literally daughters and girlfriends of wives of every man I knew was like I fucking hate that guy and then a year later. I'm like mainstream is so weird Yeah, you I see liberals posting your stuff now That's so bizarre to me these people that just hated you before because when I first met you people hate you people like you Shouldn't be talking to that guy. He's a racist, but they took your voice So they took your voice away and then they told us who you were because I believe you That must socked have your voice taken away you were banned from everything so you can't speak and they just tell you this guy's bad Yeah, and that's you know, it's very strategic in that way because it's true They take your platform and then they on Twitter and everything on the news Then they tell you who you are and they tell everybody so this guy's a self-avowed Nazi what blah blah whatever and And you have no right of reply. You don't get your day in court You know in America you're innocent till proven guilty you get to make your case before a jury of your peers But the thing about reputational destruction is you don't get a fair hearing like that They have the bigger megaphone because they're protected by government and they are institutional and they have the money And if they don't like you they squelch you shut you down. They don't engage with you deliberately They won't debate you that there's no engagement and then they just tell everybody hey fuck this guy This guy's the worst person ever and it's life-ruining. So yeah, you're right. It's pretty it's pretty tough You had your life destroyed for a lot of years pretty much I wouldn't say destroyed but kind of you're you were living tough, you know That's why I had so much respect for you what you went through people don't understand You were completely ostracized and at a young age is cut off from the world How did you make money without banking and stuff you couldn't even sell merch could you? So, you know, we had a time where we always had super chats So I was always able to make money through super chats on my show But it was crazy the way they did it They had a payment processor in like another country and they charged us a very high processing fee So even when I was banned from everything, I still had that source of income But I wasn't able to sell merch. I had to use cryptocurrency only up until very recently and I couldn't do subscriptions I had no sponsors So for a time and then as far as banking was concerned, I would just have to keep making new bank accounts I would go to the bank make an account. They would catch on they'd banned me I'd go to a different bank move my money out move all my recurring payments I'd be there for a few months then I get banned and so I think I went through six or seven bank accounts Before finally I was able to land at one that didn't ban me and that was maybe two or three years ago So it's a trip. I mean you got to find a workaround for literally fucking everything Cuz they don't make it easy and shout out to the Gropers for help and support you We've had an on and off relationship, but overall I love them. They're like such a loyal like Good group to you I think I got on block a bunch of them because I blocked a ton of them when we were writing So I'm like, you know what this is helping instigate the problems between us It happens. Yeah, they're rapid, you know, no, I respect them. I don't they love you That's why so they're like they're going after me and that's I understand that I don't hold anything That's why I need to go through and unblock a bunch of them. I think yeah, I'm gonna begin whatever So what do you think I think I guess Dan was Aaron is running against Randy fine That's gonna be the most interesting. Yeah, I think he has to move to Florida. He's trying to get this all set up kind of spontaneous That's such a wild interesting race. It's like Dan's a little crazy issue I love Dan a great friend, but he's extreme even by even me and you are like Dan But and Randy fine is the most insane disgusting person in Congress. What do you think of that race? Well, I don't know the particulars of that district, but it's southern Florida So the problem with southern Florida is it's all Jews and so if you have and that's not like that's a problem But like if you have a Jewish electorate, that's why they're going to elect a radical pro-Israel Jew as their congressman So I'll have to look at it. Obviously I support Dan. I'd prefer Dan in Congress over Randy fine But but the problem is that all the people in the administration that are pro-Israel They're pro-Israel because they all came from Florida Trump's chief of staff is Susie Wiles She's a Florida lobbyist She ran the state of Florida for Trump in 2016 for the campaign and when you're the chief of staff you put together the cabinet So who did she pick? Well, she picked Marco Rubio and she picked Mike Waltz. She picked Pam Bondi. What do they have in common? They're all from Florida. They're all from Florida politics and how do you advance in Florida politics? Well, you have to go for the big Florida donors Which is all the Jewish money because South Florida is one of the big epicenters of Jewish power in America So there's no coincidence that it's like this and so that's why I think Dan would probably have a better shot running in A different district but I can see why he's doing it. Well, I looked at it as older people too the boomers That's the worst people. So I don't know if he's committed already or not I mean you said it but it might be smarter to run like in Vegas or something because the boomers are the hardest Demographic for Dan to reach the young people are gonna love Dan Dan could also rally some of the Democrats But you can't vote if you're registered Democrat you can't vote for him in the primary Right, it's a tough race, but I think yeah, but well, I think he's still doing it We'll see, you know, if I'll rally behind him and support him whatever he does. So um back to the administration It's just full of fucking lunatics What do you think of Pete the secretary of war this guy to me seems completely out of his mind? Oh, he's an idiot He's a complete idiot and anybody that I talked to from the administration says he's a complete knucklehead He's just a nothing he's because the thing about the national security apparatus is you can actually identify What faction the different people are a part of whether they're more neocon or whether they're? Prioritizers or restrainers or the big China Hawks or the big Russia Hawks you can usually identify their ideological alignment and and you know create a profile But this guy Pete Hexeth. He's just a complete idiot and actually what people say is he might even be compromised He might even there's some rumors that his best friend is in the admin blackmailing him And so I've heard not a lot of great things about him that he's just kind of an ideological nothing Not very bright and the only the only information we have about him as far as his leanings go is that he is one of these fanatical Evangelicals with all the tattoos and he was part of this nonprofit ten years ago talking about we need to rebuild the third temple and bring About the eschat on so if we know anything about him if he has an Ideological leaning or a flavor he is one of these radical fanatical dispensationalists He also goes to the church of Doug Wilson Doug Wilson is a theonomist he I believe he's one of these reformed Preachers he's one of these psycho Protestants and this guy has been in bed with the Jews. He's building this huge complex in Idaho Out of nowhere apparently got a ton of money Very conspicuous Building this huge facility and all of a sudden now he's in bed with all these Claire monsters and Straussians and Zionists and very Pro-Jewish and he said in an interview. I think a week or two ago He would ban public displays of the Catholic faith even so not just ban Islam But ban Catholicism because as Protestants they want no hide laws they they have this like within Christianity They have like a Jewish supremacist view of their own religion and and Pete Hexeth goes to Doug Wilson's church So this guy's pretty fucked up. I mean he's this is not a good guy Yeah, he seems like a complete lunatic and evil to me He just seems like a nasty and dumb if you're evil and dumb that's a bad mix It just yes, everyone in the Trump administration to these crazy fanatical Israel lots of them Zionists like his spiritual leader What's the girl Paula? She was acting like he was like Jesus that was disgusting and Trump like starting to Believe it he seems like a what is it Cyrus? Whatever the king of the Jewish man non Jewish Jewish Messiah? Yes, exactly exactly Cyrus there they believe he's the Messiah and Tucker was hinting at this He says, you know, maybe Because all those people in the admin believe it He goes maybe Trump has been convinced that he is appointed to a higher office Like he's not just the president, but he's like the king of Israel or he's like like you said He's the Messiah like who knows what they've been telling him and what he believes and I think there's some credence to that I don't think the Trump is a believer But the people around him are and they manipulate him and influence him a lot so it is very disturbing and and I don't like it Yeah, do you think I hear Trump gets his information only from the yes man around him He probably goes on truth social to watch people kiss his ass like I don't think he's getting much real information What are your thoughts on that? Well, that's true that was a big thing taking him off of Twitter was a huge part in my opinion of his decline Now exactly he can't see what the people are saying so he's out of touch true social probably bans anyone that criticizes Trump It's all the trust the plan Right, we're fine paying $10 gas Well because back in the old days Twitter was such a huge part of his appeal people don't even remember but like ten years ago It was such a novelty He was yeah, I was hilarious. He was fun Magus is dying pathetic crowd now. It's just dumb people Jewish people and paid paid influencers It's sad. I almost feel bad for him But back then that was like it wasn't just that he was funny Obviously, the it was very pithy and and that was part of the appeal but but specifically they said he's on Twitter And that is how he cuts through these layers of of you could say Moderation or if there was ever an attempt to control him by limiting his information diet with consultants or Specialists or bureaucracy people would always say well Trump is on Twitter with us like he's just liking and retweeting stuff He sees what people are saying and so it was actually a two-way platform That was Trump's ability to bypass the media He could get his message past the media and also we could get through to him because he was reading what we were saying Now that he's on true social. He's cloistered and not only that But the chief of staff and the body aids all the other personnel they heavily control Who he sees who he talks to what he sees on the internet the news clippings. It's over time You're right He's just totally divorced from reality and from public opinion even his own supporters and like you said now It's just true social. It's like the cat turd a men choir Anything he says they're gonna support it no matter what so it's no wonder that he's totally deranged Yeah, he said Jared told him if he bombed on the people were gonna come up and and welcome them as for its liberators It's like oh my god. Yeah, I trust Jared. Yeah, right, right Yeah, like I don't know if it's true or not but the f-team files there was a port It wasn't like a confirmed one was one of those ones that was like a tip that said oh Jared's controlling the presidency through to Bob Lubevich. It's like well, it seems very possible He was I mean and people that were around in the first term. No Jared Kushner was running everything who negotiated the usmca from nafta Jared Kushner Who brokered the end to the government shutdown after the midterms? Jared Kushner who facilitated the abraham accords jared kushner He he was a huge part of the first admin and he's back in the second admin Who gave iran the ultimatum in the middle of february jared kushner and steve whitcoff? so he's playing I've been saying there are two people with with allegiance to israel They sent two people allegiance israel to go negotiate a deal with iran and I hear they were meeting all the demands still and trump Just bombed in the middle of a negotiation. Just sick Yeah, yeah, I don't want to negotiate Exactly and that that's always the that's always the rub as you think you're getting trump But in reality you're getting all these people behind him You're getting the the kushner. You're getting this the howard lutnick the steve whitcoff You're getting all these other elements behind the scenes and uh, you know, so the you know, whether epstein Whether that was a real tip or he's just talking shit on email. It's true. I mean, that's 100 how it works I looked at it. I'm like, well, it's true regardless of how credible that source is So he's gotten himself in such a mess Like because if he just walks away, you know, we lose the war it's embarrassing But it obviously would be better for america But if he stays in there america is gonna suffer people are gonna have a hard time paying for gas I've had three people this week tell me they can't afford gas So these are things that these these elites don't think about people are struggling. What's trump's move? Well, here's the thing Unfortunately and people have a hard time with this Once he bombed iran Things have changed now. It's different now before you drop the bombs you could do any number of things but Now that iran has closed off the straight now that we have killed the supreme leader. It's just different now and trump Let's just be realistic. He just doesn't have as many options as he did a few weeks ago So, you know, I say this and other people say we should just pack it up and leave Well, you can't really do that if we're being realistic and not, you know in fantasy land where there's no repercussions for our actions You can't just leave why the mess now If you just leave now, we have no deterrence now We have no credibility how are we gonna get a deal in ukraine? How are we gonna deter china in taiwan? How are we gonna facilitate? Whatever we're doing in venezuela and cuba. We have no credibility So if we just pack it up and leave iran now controls the straight of hormuz. This is a catastrophe They have reestablished deterrence. We can realistically not go back and attack them at any point So they're emboldened you could say they're more hard line and more defiant than ever This is just like infinitely worse than before And we've lost deterrence for all of these other conflicts that we're trying to facilitate elsewhere So I think if you're trump and this has been my my forecast for the past few weeks He is looking for An opportunity To get some kind of a victory So that we can find the off ramp and so maybe that means we take one of the islands Maybe it means it can be symbolic. It can be minor We just need to notch a victory Get iran to agree to some terms so that we can leave without a complete humiliation And that seems to be the most that seems to be the best option Right now if you're being realistic if you're the president, uh, unfortunately though I just don't see how you're gonna do that because we are losing and we don't have any of the cards And any way that we can escalate it will be delivered right back to us in kind You know if we bomb iran's infrastructure, they hit the gulf. We bomb their salinate desalination power plants They do it to saudi arabia. So there just seems to be sparingly little we can do to save face And uh, so you just wonder what what kind of operation they can cook up that can thread the needle like that and get us out of here Yeah, I was thinking if I was his advisor How would I advise him to get out of this mess and I didn't have any good answers? I was just pondering being like wow every option's bad, you know, I wish you would just apologize But obviously isn't gonna happen be like sorry guys. Oops Yeah, I mean and here's the thing the the real realistically actually let me let me amend what I just said If you really got to the to the fundamentals The way that you end the conflict is you put israel in their place If you're trump and you're looking at the set of options before you right now, maybe you'd say escalate to de-escalate I would probably agree. That's really all you can do But if you really want to solve this, you know what iran is saying iran is saying we don't want a truce We don't want to ceasefire. Why well obviously they want some form of a truce What they don't want is a 30 day reprieve for israel and the us to replenish their Munition stores and then launch another attack because iran has the advantage So what iran is saying is we want a permanent end to the fighting. We want confidence. You're not going to do this again Well, what is driving the conflict between us and iran is israel? So if you want to give iran assurances and open up the straight the road to that runs through israel You have to break the back of israel so that they don't continue egging the sun and provoking iran only then Can you give the assurances necessary to iran to have a permanent cessation of hostilities? If you want to end the fighting, that's what you do and we solve it tomorrow But it's it's just that washington is literally not able to do that Yeah, I think it's very important to point out the two like you said iran iran is also in a very tough situation They can't just you know sign a ceasefire or we're going to come in and attack them again We keep doing it. We've been humiliating them for years. They have to make it where we're scared to want to go to war with them again You have to exactly do without their stop. I'm like no They have no choice but to go out either die or try and they're doing better than I thought they're doing pretty well Like I don't know what you're there was the rescue mission Some people that say they think that was a failed ground invasion Do you have any thoughts on that because I guess they tried bringing I guess it was 100 something miles away from where the crash was Yeah, I mean cargo jet. I don't really know much about that. So Yeah, me neither and there's really no way to know because there's so much propaganda But I mean there's some credible speculation based on the losses that were suffered We lost a lot of equipment and People also said that the c-130 cargo Transport aircraft they had to be scuttled apparently they were flown in to bring a bunch of special operators to rescue the pilots They were hit the planes were hit and could not be flown back out So we had to scuttle them we had to destroy them to prevent them from falling into the hands of the Iranians Well, those c-130s were closer to Isfahan, which is where the highly enriched uranium is buried Then they were to where the pilots allegedly went down in the mountain ridges and like Five times closer to Isfahan than where the pilots were so that's where some of the speculation comes from Yeah, I think it's through mountains too. So it seems unlikely that some pilot went like a hundred mile through mountains in iran Well, I say it's a mountainous region. You can't just invade these for the ground invasion If we send ground troops in for ground invasion, there's thousands maybe tens of thousands Americans might die And we just don't have the stomach the country's already against it It would turn so hard against it So I think trump knows this and wants an off ramp like you said But he wants to build it say some kind of victory Iran doesn't want to give him anything. I don't I really hope they negotiate something before tonight because he's threatening just pure evil I hope so too, but I don't see how it happens because iran keeps saying We're not going to accept a ceasefire and what they are after then is like these big concessions They want america to give them reparations give them the straight shut down all their bases So as of yesterday iran said we just don't even want to talk anymore now They're saying well a deal is about to happen tonight and what they're saying is it's just going to be an extension of the deadline by two weeks So you can really get down to brass tacks and iron out a deal I don't know how much I believe that but I guess we'll see what happens Yeah, I'm just gonna pray for a deal so I don't want america to die. I don't want iranians to die I don't want our economy to a tank. There's just literally nothing Good and my in my view you probably agree not a single good thing from america It's also a little humiliating like we disagreed on the venezuela operation, but it was impressive It was it made america look mighty unstoppable. This has embarrassed us Yeah, well when it's not even for anymore You're right and it's a perfect contrast because you look at the venezuela operation It was decisive. It was quick. We had a stated objective. We completed it. We didn't lose any lives It didn't cost any money. We got what we wanted. It was in our region You could articulate the benefits for america. None of that can be said about this no clear objectives Not competent not decisive took taking way too long taking the economy. It's all the way over there No benefits people are dying hundreds are injured. It's like so yeah I know we disagreed but at the minimum you could say a case could be made that venezuela Is not iran like there were some benefits that could have accrued. This is just a a complete disaster unmitigated catastrophe And and deeply humiliating because we just look like a joke. It's been so humiliating for us as americans humiliated our country I think trump got overconfident from that and like yeah, we could do this and I heard there was reports of like Stuff saying like hey, we don't think this is They're not going to have a revolution after this but trump just didn't listen Didn't only a few of them like secretly negotiated it. I think it was like I don't know who it was like mark rubio They didn't even tell where many people launched it. There's all the firing of the military generals I think it's people that aren't wanting to do the war. Do you have any insight at why they're firing all these generals? Yeah, the new york times said today that when the decision was made to launch the war It was because of this big push by the israelis in the middle of february and they said that The israelis basically misrepresented this they told trump that iran was going to undergo an uprising and we would easily Prevent them from taking the straight destroy all their missiles All these things that have not happened like iran did close the straight We can't destroy all their missiles and they didn't have an uprising the israelis said all that would be easy And they said that every american general Warned trump that this would happen every american general said you're not going to get regime change They're gonna close the straight. We're not going to be able to destroy all their missiles trump ignored all of them And and this is true. I think you know this is true because in the weeks leading up to the war I remember specifically the generals were planting stories in the papers like in the washington post Saying we do not believe in this. There is no decisive strike. We don't support it. This is going to be a disaster So from inside the regime they were telegraphing. This isn't going to work. It was almost like an sos So uh, and I imagine that generals are being fired because they're not giving trump the options that he wants Which is he wants to get the highly enriched uranium. He wants to invade karg island. Maybe they're talking about a tactical nuke Who knows anything is possible right now But it is possible. I mean that would be truly sick, but It is possible It's a non-zero chance. I wouldn't say it's high, but I would say it's a non-zero chance But this is get sick thinking about if america would do that It's like we're the bad guys in the situation and I really Unfortunately, we're probably not going to change course for a while But hopefully we're wrong and he'll get a deal tonight and everything goes good So what what do you have next when I first met you you were toxic I remember I'll get you on a couple of podcasts. I called 10 of my friends only hodgepins Matt's back to them. They're the only people that have the balls talked to you. I'm not gonna say any names But everyone's like no one would have anything to do with you now people are constantly hitting me up I'm like, dude. I'm not his booking agent always I hate a couple times. They're easy. Don't even respond to not big enough podcasts I'm just constantly being like, can you get a nick of my show? Can you get nick of my show? You're like the most popular guy. Everyone wants you now. That must feel a little weird Yeah, it feels good. I mean it's I try to do as much as I can or at least I was last year now I'm trying to be a little more mellow Honestly, I feel I have a lot of plans and I have a lot of ideas For where I want to take everything and I'm working on some things with my nonprofit But I have to tell you I feel very Uh, demoralized lately. I and I know I need to overcome that people don't want to hear that if they consider me a leader or the leader But it's it's hard not to get demoralized when you see that What we're doing seems to almost have no effect on the outcomes You know, it's it's hard to imagine that Trump got elected and more but But it's not that they don't listen to anything. They're just saying fuck you to all of us. So it's like yeah Thanks to like you put all this work in come in. We completely change the whole people like don't support Israel anymore But doesn't matter Well, and and I would say adding on to the because I was about to say what you just said but to take it a step further It's even the people that are israel critical or know the relevant facts Even they are just getting tricked all the time. Even they are are being misled all the time Yeah, so you just say at what point do you realize we're kind of cooked and maybe it needs to get worse before it gets better Not to sound like an accelerationist, but timing is everything and sometimes it's just not the right time So you say maybe we got to learn the hard way Yeah, I'm going a little demoralized as well. It sucks, but the country's not had in the right direction almost 40 trillion in debt That's like no one ever talks about that. That's not a good thing I don't think you'll understand like that's going to cause inflation I would think because what do you got to do they got to print more money The interest is going to keep going up and it comes to some point. What do we do the country just goes bankrupt? Well, yeah, I kind of bankrupt the country. There's some people I remember my uh government teacher in high school was like well We the debt can be as high as we want it to be that doesn't matter You know, there's some people that promulgate this modern monetary theory where they say the debt doesn't matter, but it's like Okay, interest rates are going up. We have 40 trillion dollar debt Uh, how do you think we're going to service that debt with high interest rates? You know, eventually we're going to be paying more in interest on the debt than our military costs than our entitlements cost And you just get buried alive in this stuff so there is limit and then you have the de-dolarization which is overstated but Gradually there is going to be less and less demand for the u.s. Dollar. So our borrowing potential is not unlimited It's constrained by demand and it's constrained by Interest to service the debt. So yeah, it's like, you know, I don't know. I don't know how any of these things are going to get Solved anytime soon. Yeah, and I'm skeptical of the stock market Bitcoin and the real estate market right now and the dollar is going down. So it's like I've worked hard to make money my life. I'm looking everything could just like fall apart. You start being like damn. It's uh I don't know where Let me go through and read a few of these super chats Oh great. Yeah, yeah My audience if you want Nick for sure. Yeah, that's you have very many Your super chat. I love the super chats on your show. I just watched clips sometimes you'll post it You're just going off on your fans. It's pretty hilarious. I hate them, but it's okay. That's all right I was just saying I told you right before because I'm gonna be hilarious because dinner show today and like gotcha, bitch I would have had to just laugh No, I wouldn't do that. Yeah um What's this guy say topic suggestions. Oh, he's giving us topic suggestions. Let's let's see what he's got Potential nuke drop in the future as early as tonight. No, not tonight. Well, I hope not tonight trumpet peach mint Yeah, that's interesting because there hasn't been that big I think they're finally starting to be a call of impeachment But even the democrats were mostly silent until the last couple days It just shows you they're all controlled, you know, the the two party systems almost a bullshit I see they also in there. He has a lot of topics for us this guy like oh, wow I'm not higher. I miss my uh Uh among those who are generally America first god bless you gentlemen. Well, thank you So yeah, we kind of talked about the nuke already he said potentially and I I think I would be shocked. You never know with trump though anything's possible with trump Yeah, I think he um, you know, I've said this for a long time I have a suspicion that he might want to do that but it just seems too radical even for him But you know, I don't know that I'd rule it out now Yeah, I don't even know how would we react as to country if he did it's like what do we even do? That's why it's been so demoralizing because I think what are what are our next steps? And I don't have a good answer for that if you get some good answers Let me know give me a call and we can bring towards my ideas because I'm uh It's I think you sound like you're in the same position as me being like what are the next steps So I thought the information board was going to be like, oh that'll solve it It's not looking like it Um, have you considered inviting joseph at will author of caesars messiah onto so I will keep super chatting this request I think that's for be not you. I don't know who that is. You know who that is. I do not know Well, I will look him up. I don't know who it is, but I'll look him up Um, what do we have? Yes, the guy said just sent a gift. Thank you Uh The world didn't deserve I don't understand what that is. I don't know if it's shit talking so I'm not going to read if people talk shit Judo judo received 30 pieces of silver from apac Judas so true Thoughts on the ceasefire announcement just announced But I guess they wasn't you do that's what this guy said. Do you trust trump trump though? I don't know Was it actually announced or uh, oh, yeah, here we go Yeah, this is breaking The us and iran reached an 11th hour ceasefire on tuesday evening hours after trump threatened to start wiping out a whole civilization Agreement was announced by trump on social media hours after pakistan urged trump to stand down uh Let me see what his post says See what trump tweets about it his psycho deranged tweets. Yeah, literally have to go to social. Yeah, our true social Here we go. Okay. Let me read it to you. So it says based on conversation with the prime minister shabazz Sharif of pakistan wherein they requested I hold off the destructive force being sent tonight to iran And subject to the islamic republic of iran agreeing to complete immediate and safe opening of the str- Oh subject to iran opening up the straight I agree to suspend the bombing and attack iran for a period of two weeks. This will be a double-sided ceasefire. Yeah, go ahead So, yeah, it's not even a real fucking. It's just a joke, right? That's what sounds like to me Well, it's I don't it doesn't sound like iran agreed to it. Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me too Unless I was misunderstanding that that's it sounds like he's just saying it Yeah, he's one. Let's just tell trump. He won they can leave the straight open Yeah, that's it. I don't even yeah, I mean we'll have to take I'll look at that before my show tonight But that doesn't even sound like iran agreed to it. It sounds like it didn't sound like that either That's exactly my take he's fighting a war to open the straight that was already open Yeah, right. Okay. He says so well that well they need to open up the straight. It's like well, they they haven't so I don't and he says we're gonna hold off for two weeks. It's like well, why do we why do we need to wait two weeks if they Open up the straight. I don't know. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens Trust the plan. Yeah, right 8d chess, whatever it is. Yeah this point with the war going so badly They have to false flag nuke the us or europe to say see we told you or am's going to to use the nukes I don't think they would go that far but um Anything's possible. Yeah, I doubt it. There are things I didn't think you know, I remember woke up when we were bombing I ran I was like wait. We really did this and I Why are you and sneaco always fighting? I don't know man. He's little well, you know what? I just want us to not fight. I love sneaco. He's my home boy Yeah, he's awesome though the funny I guess tell the story of when I got in a fight I was I not like a druggy but someone was like swearing how great ketamine is and like oh I do this tiny little thing. I kind of forgot Sneaco, I see calling so I grabbed like oh you would have sneaco He's like oh, you're so he did tell me he was on there to be fair And we started chatting and that's what I talked shit about the sweater and stuff and I'm I was phone. I'm like, oh shit. I really Oh, I've do some like oh, I think I talked about nix. I call sneak code have him take it down And then looked online and it was like already everywhere. I'm like, yeah Oh good. Hey, it's all water under the bridge now. No, I thought I was glad we're able to laugh about it and um We don't hold grudges because you went off on me a few times too, but exactly I hold zero Zero resentment and people kept trying to get us to keep fighting on both our sides That's when I realized you don't want to block all these people because they're trying to drive us and some of them might be bad actors They might not really be yours. They were really just trying to push me and you to keep fighting Like that could be deliberate maybe not because it'd be the people like seeing a fight That's once I realized that I'm like, okay. Just know I just block anyone Yeah, we haven't gotten since Yeah, there you go It worked so yeah anything um I'm best nothing really positive. It sounds like I want to end with a positive note. I'm thinking uh I guess the next election the big yeah, I think with my Midterms, I guess I'll probably not vote. I might would vote democratic my first time just to say fuck you to them I know yeah, that's the positive we're democrats now and democrats are gonna win so we get to be winners So I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, we're gonna win finally Yes, that's actually we're gonna be democrat and win Public and party almost might be worse. I was making fun of richard spencer for um because he was a kamala He was right. I need to call him and apologize Mm-hmm In the end I'm like I was just teasing like come on. You're really They call him like the white supreme s and he was pushing for the black girl. She was just so awful. That was alternative Yeah, she was horrible, but you know too bad options. That's why I didn't vote. I just said fuck it I don't like either the options No, I couldn't see myself voting for kamala. Yes the midterms the democrats will probably take it nothing Will happen, but I think do you obviously we got to start pushing a bunch of Anti-Israel republicans. Do you think this is a realistic strategy that can make change? Obviously it would take time over like 10 years or do you think the country's too far? Too far gone. I guess it's got to be rebuilds at some point well, I uh, you know I'll support israel critical republicans, but um You know, I really think that's just kind of eating around the crust. It's it's kind of uh, you know We're working around the edges of it. We got to get to the center of it, which is We need to build a real political movement. We need donors. We need infiltrators We we just need elite human capital the leaders of society to get redpilled because I don't really believe in any kind of electoral Solution I don't believe in convincing the masses. It's sort of the public opinion is downstream From the institutions from the elites what is being promulgated by the media the media is controlled by the money The money is dictated by who controls the emergent technology So it's like by the time you get to what the fucking stupid normies think and what they'll vote for it's like The revolution has already happened You know the revolution happened many steps behind when the public changed their mind about an issue or whatever when he saw it on Tiktok so I think we just need to kind of reorient our focus and think structurally How are we gonna? Create the movement that delivers the victory. So that's kind of what I've been focused on Yeah, no, we need radical change and like obviously keep me updated in what you're doing But when I was thinking about running I called a campaign Venice manager and they wanted me to like throw a million dollars my own money and right away to start it off and like That's a good amount of money So even get started to maybe when you got to start to have a million dollars to get your campaign going It's like it's not this explains why everyone's bought and it's not just apac that's that's probably the biggest one but the pharmaceutical companies the Our government pretty much only works for corporate interests. I'm a capitalist obviously, but I think there needs to be some checks and balances I was just in vietnam communist country and they're thriving. They have like an 8.6 GDP growth a year where like 2.2 You know, thanks. Thanks for getting up. No homeless. I'm not endorsing communism, but you're like, okay. Maybe there's some few things that are positive Right, but even still what can one? Representative do we have thomas massie and he's good, but At the end of the day, you're not going to get a huge contingent. I don't think it's not worthwhile I think we should try to get a contingent to people that you know, even if we have five or 10 or 15 congressmen or something But I'm more interested in the deep state. I'm more interested in getting guys in the Supply chains, you know the acquisition process and the regulatory agencies I want to get guys in washington that become part of the permanent bureaucratic class That that seems to be where the seat of the power is because the representatives come and go And they're very fragile and they're very subject to the changing political wins If you want a more enduring and lasting influence, you kind of need to look deeper at where the power actually lies and that's That's among the staffers. That's among the bureaucrats Yeah, I think you just nailed it right there. That's figured out That's not an easy thing to infiltrate at all But that might be the moves and I think I think you tell your workers, right to like infiltrate sometimes don't talk about it That might be the move to kind of slowly come in infiltrate the system and take it back And it's gonna it's gonna take time either the country's gonna clap claps or it'll be like 10 years But we have to just stay hopeful. So yeah, thanks so much anything you want to add or where could people find you? You're only on rumble, right? I'm only on rumble. Yeah, I'm on twitter and rumble and I'll be live later tonight in a few hours It's also impressive that you're able to stay so popular With just rumble and you didn't have that for a while. Weren't you wherever you had cozy tv? You had to build did you have to build your own thing? I did. Yeah, it was my own platform and That was the only way I could stream. I was there was nothing else. I was even allowed to stream on at that point Yeah, you had to literally build your own program. You had to find ways to make money But you were dedicated and you put how many years when did you start? 2017 so yeah, it's been a long it's a long time jake. It's been a long time. It's been tough, but I'm hanging in there. I'm just like ready to retire. I'm ready. I'm like man I'm you know, I'm ready to pass the baton to the next class. I know I'm still young. I gotta stay in it But it's like you gotta stay in a few more years. Yeah, I'm so much awakened people up, but that's done no good Exactly it's like, you know It you try you do these things and it just seems like nothing ever changes, but that's life Well, like you and Keith woods were the guys that really I like kind of knew but watching you guys because you made it in a way They didn't sound like Jewish friends and stuff. So when you first hear these things and you're always taught anti-semi it's bad So you're like, oh, that's fucked up I heard you guys speaking pointing out little things and then I would start looking up what you guys would say See if it's true and look it up and look it up. That's when I was like, whoa And then it was even worse than I thought Yeah, exactly. Yeah Yeah, and yeah rumble they don't promote you that kind of pisses me off Yeah Yeah, you know, I I have good relations with rumble now, but um They're under a lot of pressure because I'm on the platform. I can't say too much But they're under a lot of pressure even just for having me on there. So I uh, I can't look a gift horse in the mouth. I I gotta Get what I can take I guess which fucking sucks because that that's not me. I need more I want more I want what I'm entitled to But I just have to like settle for the charity Yeah, but you could have a fucking bank. You should be on youtube. You should like I was mad at the kicker I was in his fault like why the fuck can't it get paid? That's fucked up and oh, so I never mind Sorry, man at you. Why can't you be on youtube? Why can't like I'm more extreme than you now sometimes maybe not but dan is like Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dan makes us be like, oh, yeah, my friend's crazy Yeah, yeah, right Yeah, I know it's And yeah, all right. Thanks so much for coming on and um, yeah hit me up whenever Likewise, man. Great talking to you. I'll see you All right, see you You