51: Ep. 46 | The Science of the Soul: Authentic Awakening with Kelly Schwegel

Welcome to the Drop the Needle Podcast, your backstage pass to the mystical realm. I'm your host Jim Alls. And here, gifted soul step up to the mic sharing their spiritual journey. We're hitting the high notes and the low notes that they're awakening, creating a symphony of enlightenment. This isn't just another interview show. This is where Divine Insights are channeled and universal truths are revealed. So crank up your stereo and sit back because who knows, this just might help you compose the next transformative chapter of your soul's purpose. Are you ready? Let's go. Hi everyone and welcome to the Drop the Needle Podcast. I'm your host Jim Alls. And I'm so happy y'all decided to join us. Today we have a guest who is near and dear to my heart. We have the person whom I would consider to be responsible for so many wonderful things that have happened in my life these past six years. This person was responsible for my interest in meditation in Raky and being certified in Raky. And probably most important of all of these things would be my unquenchable thirst for knowledge in the area of spirituality. I guess you could say she was my first instructor and mentor in the life that I now have the honor of living. Please allow me to introduce the lovely and brilliant Miss Kelly Schwagel. Welcome Kelly. Hi. What an incredible introduction. Well it's all true. Fortunately it's all true and I do owe so much to you and I should have added my favorite voice for guided meditations. I love your meditations so much. Thank you so you have the voice for them too. I hope you record many. Well you know thanks to you. Yeah I've added to my repertoire that will be coming out soon. So I appreciate that. Yeah very soothing. Thanks thanks. So what I'd like to do right now is maybe instead of me going down your your background is have you discuss your background. Okay well I'm going to actually then I think start to help people to understand how I came to where I am and not to give a you know back when I was born but really I started having out of body experiences when I was about six years old and started to consciously speak to spirit when I was eight and my clairvoyance has never ended so a lot of times they say that children you know it ends when they enter into a few lessons but it didn't with me and I ended up trying to pretend that I wasn't clairvoyance and wasn't odd which I was and and I took the route and I got three degrees in education and I was a teacher and a principal and I worked for the state in education and then went no this is not me. I had already become a raky master I was already doing tarot I was already helping people with my clairvoyance and I decided to leave everything and move to California open a holistic healing center and started working with people and it was from there that my skills grew where I realized I can speak to animals I'm a medical into it I can remote view I'm telepathic I you know when in certain search circumstances so I don't know what you're thinking right now. I'm staring. I'm staring. It doesn't work that way but if you gave me something with a lot of big emotion I would hear it in my head. So but you know but also being able to feel what people feel and understand their emotions I'd be able to channel guides and speak to those for a disease these things all unfolded over time. Then I left everything and went on the road and wrote some books so I wrote four books published three I ended up traveling the world for seven years and then I ended up back in my hometown or my home state of Wisconsin in my hometown. And after my father passed my ex-husband passed my mother had heart surgery I realized I'm not going anywhere. And I decided I'd start a salt and spice company a whole holistic salt and spice did that really hard to get a business going there so I'm also a realtor and I still take clients every day and my specialty I will say with clients is emotional healing understanding what is blocking them what do they need what do they need to move on their journey and what insights can I give along with of course the medical into itting in tarot. What holy cow. Now I've known you for like I said six years just about six years and there was some new things in there that I didn't know but that was really before we met some of those things that you were talking about but so something very interesting about Kelly's perspective as it relates to not only the presentations which he's given many many and her classes is this that a lot of people out there consider this to be woo woo and have no scientific basis to it and what Kelly did which opened the door for me personally was in her presentation and in her discussions with me she incorporated scientific proof scientific studies that supported what she was saying which in my opinion was a unique perspective and a unique way to present this material that I hadn't heard before and for some people that's important and I was one of those some people in this instance and for others it doesn't really matter and they like all the pomp and circumstance of the ritualistic processes that go into things but for me personally it seemed like it was a more grounded and rooted perspective to take. Yeah yeah I love quantum physics I love I actually before I went into education I was actually pre-med and and although it was married at the time I got pregnant and then oh yeah not going to be a surgeon right now so let's be a future I can see this child so I had all of my bio courses and so science and quantum physics and understanding of what was going on from a scientific aspect became really important for me just personally and then I loved teaching that to others because I found it so fascinating that wow there's a reason why this is happening you know this isn't this isn't just you know we can say the word woo-woo but I really call it reality there a physicist that I listened to one time said and I thought this was awesome he said you know we always thought that those who had one foot in this world and one foot in and another were a little unbalanced but actually now we know they're the most balanced because they understand not only the physical but the metaphysical or the quantum world love to that it makes sense again here we go what she says makes sense it does to me and I'm sure it would for a lot of our listeners especially those who have a little bit of skepticism in them for for that sort of thing which believe me I completely understand because it is a 180 from most of our belief systems growing up right you know because we we have a belief system that starts at a very early age two three years old is when that starts to to set in and we oftentimes don't change until that awakening period occurs and for some well let's just put it this way for some folks that experience in awakening they may be thinking it's a psychotic event or something and they're not crazy they're not any of those things they're not bipolar necessarily you know obviously there are people that are but what I'm referring to isn't the case you were there there's nothing wrong with them mentally they're just experiencing an awakening do you remember you're awakening to this or did you did you not have that because it happened at such a young age you know it didn't happen that way and only because I never I never forgot it was I had been speaking to spirit for so long you know like I said since I remember my first time as being six but but I will say that I did have a moment in time where I realized I couldn't keep going on the way that I was trying to be a normal person in a normal world because I wasn't normal and it was almost as though I was being non-authentic trying to stay in a very conservative structure like that I'm not and even though you know if you met me on the street you'd never know I you're not going to know I'm anything other than Kelly but but exactly I inside of me realize there is there is something we know and and that's something that I say to people all the time too especially when they're surprised by you know let's say that we're having a conversation and something comes up and I'll respond to whatever's going on in in spiritual context and they look at me almost they move back physically move back and look at me from like another angle and it's just like you I don't I well I do know how to take it now because I it's happened regularly and it's usually yeah I know I don't look like I'm some spiritual guy but I am and you know that's it's not a bad thing at all because I feel and we've talked about this before but I feel that this type of approach to life and it's not even an approach it's just who you are at a certain point you know at first you may be trying and trying but it seems the more you try when you're in this world the harder it is because then it's resistance because you're forcing something but the more you allow your authentic self to come in the better it is because people in the world need this right now they really truly do in all facets I'm not just talking about your your personal life I'm also talking about your professional life there is a place for it's and I'm not saying go into the office tomorrow with a you know a bundle of sage and start saging the the office for evil energies or negative energies but I am talking about mindfulness I am talking about empathy I'm talking about all of those things being present when somebody's in the room trying to have a conversation with you as opposed to looking at your phone going through emails things of that nature because you miss so much you just really do in my opinion can I say something about you know kind of just backing up a little bit you had talked about you know kind of showing up authentically and how it's very hard for a lot of people who do go through the spiritual awakening to to present themselves you know you said you know just walk in you know into the workplace and shout that you are but I'm going to tell you something I did and I do want to bring in a little science with this and so my when I worked for the state of education I had actually had my own company where I was training educators and superintendents and doing strategic planning and they said we're going to we're going to hire you because you're taking all of our business and we really they gave me a great offer and I started working for the state and they they had to develop an entire department around me right and I say this because they said we want you to come in and teach our our leadership team at the state level how you do what you do how do you get so many districts to want to work with you and I brought in the human tourists and I said I said and that I'll bring in some some science with this and I said you know we all have energy around us and inside of the energy that we are inside of ourselves we break down into atoms right inside of all atoms we actually break down into little points of what called photons that carry your conscious thought and they are not just stuck inside of you they're swirling around you in this tourist and that tourist is hitting everybody you walk into the room with and if you're non-authentic they're going to know it they just don't know why if you're authentic they're going to know it and for me when I walked into that executive boardroom to talk woo I had to believe in myself and I had to believe that what it is that I was talking about had merit and if I walked in they're going oh my god they're never going to believe me they're going to think I'm a door they're going to they're going to you know call me fru fru lala it wouldn't have worked because again those bio photons are hitting them my confidence in who I am and my authenticity had to hit them too so when it hit them I remember it was probably weeks later it was the the executive director came up to me and he said gosh Kelly everything you do is through intuition isn't it and I said yeah pretty much it does yeah everything what I do I work and I think and I do but I bring everything through intuitively and through inspiration first you know and and so it's really important to understand that as we show up in our spiritual being this be authentic can I say one more thing about that because it's so important so many people who have their awakening create an identity around it and I can't say that I didn't do that same thing when I first you know stepped into left education I went into the spiritual world I created an identity but when you do that that's also non-authentic right yes and it's so critical to step back and lose the identity you know you don't have to wear feather earrings and tie dye and shake a rattle you know you can just be you and the more that you are you the more that it actually normalizes it for other people our gifts become normal because we're not trying to put on an act or it's not even an act we're not trying to ask or something a title a title yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know what and and that's something that happens regularly too and it's not by necessarily yourself doing that giving yourself a title it's other people giving you that label let's just call it a label in in this instance because and and I wouldn't be any different necessarily so if you had somebody coming in in a robe and these linen pants and beads and long hair and beard and you know you'd be like okay you're walking into a board room I get that you're being you but are you being you you start to the question some of those things so I mean no your audience yeah well I mean but that would be you know what is the let he without sin cast the first stone that would be me throwing a rocket at somebody else for well don't label that person I I did the same thing years and years ago and then you just stop and and it's you're you're right though too because as much as you try to separate from ego you you really can't separate from ego you can understand your ego and you can understand those triggers that that pop up and step back and be an observer and go huh I wonder why I reacted that way initially yeah what's what do I have to heal inside of me still yeah to get past that and and that's something too that I guess through the course of writing a book and doing the research and different things like that I'll use Dolores Cannon as an example where she has the 12 stages of a spiritual awakening you reach stage 12 in that and you go down this list okay check check check check check check check yeah I'm done you're not no you're never done and that was the thing that's it's almost a misnomer that if you get to number 12 and you check number 12 off I'm done I can sit back and go to the mountaintop and meditate all day it's it's it's not that way it's a constant evolution of who you are and you're a great example of that because of the the paths it's not just one path that you've taken over the course of your life the paths that you've taken yeah you know if if you were to say oh you know what I've done it all right here I'm I'm done but you didn't you took a left then you took a right then you know so and the lessons keep coming they I tell my clients all the time that lessons keep coming they're never gonna stop I don't care how evolved you become or how wise you become or even how confident you become they don't stop it's just that they're easier to take you're like oh there's a lesson what am I supposed to be learning here okay and another thing about going through this whole process is that part I think of what we're doing as as beings who come here as souls having a human experience when we do become evolved this is about learning to work the human and this came up for me when you were talking before about how when you're when you're in a situation you have to know the human you can't butt up against the human and if the human is is judging you you know you can't get in their face about it you can't try to be more woo woo you just you know you just got to know your audience and know your people and know how to work human and this also means knowing how to work us and there's so many levels to learning to work the human but I'll leave it at that one for a moment just learn to understand human nature and the more you do the more you're going to thrive in this world and the more lessons you'll be able to bring people 100% and that's where the meet people where they are added you're saying comes in is you have to do that and it's not a beat you over the head with it type of scenario either for example I have a friend and we were golfing and he's I won't say spiritual I will say religious because he is Catholic very religious just a great guy and when I was telling him about the podcast he said well oh yeah well I haven't heard it yet and I said well you should listen he goes well what's it about and I told him spirituality and he immediately went oh I roll insert I roll now you know and I said yeah you know what it's not for everybody and I get that but my whole idea behind this was to allow for a safe space for people to land and to come or if they're curious about something too and or if they've had an experience and they go that was just weird and they chalk it up to coincidence but there is no coincidence so what is it and I just let it go and then we get up to the next T box and I said hey have you ever had a situation where you were thinking about somebody in the phone ring and it was them he goes oh yeah happens all the time I said that's intuition and he goes wow I guess you're right yeah and and then he started telling me more and more and more and I said see you're a very intuitive person and it's not surprising to me at all that you are knowing who you are is a is a kind giving charitable person that doesn't think of himself first you're a person of service that it's no no wonder to me but I said what ends up happening is though and again I'll use the belief system we are almost indoctrinated to think that that's crazy and that you're not supposed to be of you know if you believe in the Bible then you're not supposed to believe in these people who are clairvoyance or healers and when that comes up and it comes up regularly when people are like ah that's a bunch of bullshit I'll just say well wasn't Jesus a healer then it usually stops and it gets them it gets them out of that that loop the response loop of labeling criticism and things like that and gives them that brief moment that they can stop they step back and take a breath and go ah yeah yeah he was can I can I mention something about the disease in this so if you know who the vaccines are or were I'll be honest with you I am not a Bible scholar by any stretch of the imagination so no yeah so the scenes were a sect of people who lived in the time of Jesus and they were they were spiritual they weren't religious okay so they they they were wonderful they believe that everything in life every religion was perfect for the age of soul that everything is based in math and science you know and here's what they had about those what they said about those who are asleep they said you know we don't try to awaken the sleeping souls we comfort them they're not ready to awaken we have no business doing that they said those who are ready to be awakened they will find us and we will help awaken them and those who are already awake will just help keep them on their path and I have lived my life with that because wherever I go I'm going to get something psychically on someone it doesn't matter I'm going to feel them I'm going to know they know go and get a drink at the bar and know that you know the bartender has mommy issues I don't need I don't need to tell them that right you know just because I get it doesn't mean that I should he will find me yeah if that's right just like people are going to find this podcast those who are ready to find this will we're not here to convince anyone right we're here to comfort the sleeping souls and and I'll use the the word of the Bible right they know not what they do you know they what those who need religion have it and I'm glad they have it you know those who are in a cult need the cult it's based on the age of their soul and I'm glad they have it I'm not here to you know I do don't want anyone harmed there's some right and I will do anything that I can for mankind however I don't get to grab someone by the shoulders and go will you wake up if you just knew if you only knew for crying out loud you know and it helps navigate this world again it's it's working the human well you know what and I think not everyone is like you which yeah it's understandable because you are the only Kelly Schwagel that I'm aware of thank god yeah you said it not me no but it's one of those things that some it takes a little bit of time for you to come to grips with that because first off you're very excited about this new discovery that you've had and you want to scream it from the mountaintop and you want to tell people how good you feel because of this but you quickly or not so quickly sometimes realize like you said not everybody's ready and they're on their own path it's their own journey and it's not your job not my job I should say to convince or change anybody or anybody's way of thinking it's it's theirs it's their responsibility it's their job their duty whatever and we don't really change their mind anyway no matter what you said you're really don't and can I say a little bit of science here which is when we speak it has a frequency the intention behind our words has a frequency and if they are at a different frequency they are at I need fear based religion if that's what they need okay then their frequency they can't receive your frequency of the words that you're saying they can't and I'm not saying one is better than the other you're just on different radio stations right that's yeah ages of soul are not better or worse than each other they're just different yeah there's no comparison in in my book I think I think it in any way I always say you would never look at a two-year-old in our society and say will you just grow up and get married in drive a car it's ludicrous right but it's the same thing as a baby infantry young soul you wouldn't look at them and say you know can you just believe what I believe can you understand that this we are souls having a human experience they're not ready to believe no and that's okay it is it 100% you know you started I'm gonna jump around and I do that that's my ADHD me but you had mentioned something and I thought you were gonna start going down the road of neuro divergence and I think maybe I was wrong when you were you were talking about that but it seemed like it was right there on the doorstep to go okay go on in yeah may I yeah please so one of the things that has really from I've given tens of thousands of sessions okay from people all over the world right and I've heard from so many of the older souls and one of the things that I've really understood is how many clairvoyant people are neurodivergent and neurodivergent just means that you're atypical in the way that you process information and in an atypical in the way that that processed information views the world and that there is no medical diagnosis for neurodivergence it's really a descriptive way that I will say that those who are neurodivergent meaning we're not neuro typical we don't think like everyone else it's a very unique and valuable way of seeing the world however there are some incredible incredible things that that people have learned about neurodivergence and one of the things that I have come to understand is how many neurodivergent people are can short circuit very easily have to learn to understand themselves and they have to learn to understand their sensitivity can I ask you this and this maybe you and it may not be you but very often neurodivergent people or those who are very highly sensitive or what Carl Young called spiritually sensitive individuals they're called to I call them to TOO you are too emotionally intense you are too difficult you're too different you're too sensitive you're too out there you're too loud you're too moody you know you're too you're just too we're here too I wasn't I wasn't I am I still am a two yeah and it's really interesting that you said that because actually I recount this in one of the chapters that I'm writing and I think I sent it to you about the two we'll we'll use the TOO when I was in third grade my teacher now this was an unwarranted someday so I will tell you I was too chatty too busy couldn't sit still class clown whatever you want to call it I was that right but there were also times times when I wasn't and I probably broke her I guess as well it comes down to where I get tossed out into the hall and then it would be me having to try to figure out and this is third grade I think you're nine years old or something like that nine maybe ten and you're left to your own devices out there and I'll go back to the belief system that is ingrained in you something happened like that you're being disciplined for something you start what did I do you start oh I must have I'm I'm this I'm that I'm that so you start all of that negative talk in there and it was um it was yours was the first because I hadn't thought of that until a session and what I'm talking about with in this particular instance is when Kelly and I we would meet regularly and when Kelly and I were meeting one day she just said what happened to you when you were nine or ten years old and I was like I don't know I had I had no idea and she said well would you be interested in doing a meditation and since meditation was so new to me I was like oh yeah let's do this I was thinking oh here comes the pineal or something like this and it wasn't it wasn't there was a that was the meditation I was most familiar with because I listened to it all the time because you were like stop the chitachata in your brain stop the chitachata what's that yeah you did say that stuck with me so we went through this meditation and it was the closest thing to hypnosis that I may have experienced up until that point and it wasn't until just now that I put that together which is odd but you brought me back to that time and I was able to go through it but it was such an emotional trauma for me that Kelly also being probably one of the world's largest empaths could feel that and was struggling when we were going through it and I mean struggling emotionally because she was getting choked up and crying because it was it was something that I had suppressed right I I suppressed that I didn't want to think about it anymore I didn't want to even remember it so I didn't and which is an amazing thing can I clarify something about that sure the reason and that is very atypical normally I just you know I can feel the energy going through me but his energy he's such a big container a big container for energy and it was so repressed inside of him and him being such an old soul when it came out literally I had tears coming down my eyes and I could barely talk because there was so much sadness coming out and I wasn't feeling it but I felt it coming through me and it literally came through in my tears and that is atypical that is because you were such a big container and it was so repressed yeah absolutely it certainly was but the the interesting thing about that you think about hypnosis in general that some hypnosis that you go under you don't recall and some you do it I think it depends on the intention but I remember that and since that time had been able to work through that and heal that piece of me so that was that was huge that was that was absolutely huge to me it was so important in the work that I do I do I actually say this that I'm going to bring you into a a cross between hypnosis and meditation but the hypnosis is where you are in charge I am no interest in being in charge of you I need to guide you to be in charge of you in this hypnotic state so that you can take this and keep doing it when we're done my job is not to be the all healer my job is to get you to figure out how to heal you yes you can take it from there yeah and that's a big difference and that's a differentiating factor between what somebody's perception of hypnosis or hypnotherapy maybe but in this particular instance it was that was probably the real beginning of me healing I guess I could I can say because it had been buried under years and years and years and years of life right and you know we were talking about the neurodivergence and and I do have to say a few things because what you experienced is is what so many people actually everyone on this planet has experienced but I would say the mature and older souls are meant to actually get in and heal it okay we are meant to get inside and heal it and and others will heal at a particular level but not necessarily in this way right and I do have to say what there is an incredible study that people are doing right now where they're finding the link between neurodivergence clairvoyance sensitivity and chronic illness and yes yes so many many many I've got like I said I've had 10,000 some sessions I've got a good statistical analysis of those who are clairvoyant and though who also have an autoimmune myself okay it mostly happens in females those who are born female you know but it not to say it's only but typically these three are crossing together and what happens is that we end up processing information so very very deeply and we're so highly aware because here's the science again neuroplasticity that we have is it's it basically is a way in which we are rewiring ourselves in response to experiences our neuroplasticity right is really heightened and so that actually means that we are picking up all the time on patterns of the psychic language and we don't even realize it so this psychic ability that we have right is hyper sensitive which means that we are hyper sensitive to environmental hyper insensitive to everything outside of us and those who are in this camp if you are too if you are especially if you are neurodivergent chronically ill and sensitive and clairvoyant please understand that you will short circuit you especially if you're female and I say that not to at all to dismails we just know that females are a little more complex in some ways and and the study actually says it's it mostly in those who are born female that we tend to to have to understand what short circuits us and so I'm working a lot with psychic people right now to understand what short circuits them and how to adjust themselves to to to know what they need and to understand themselves better and not shame themselves sure yeah right you know you mentioned short circuit a few different times now what what is that short circuit experience for for some yeah yeah so let me talk about I'll use I'll use a situation right I have a client who is very psychic she's very sensitive she also has an autoimmune all right and what happens is that when she's out in public she can get on because she's constantly picking up on everyone's emotions and how they're feeling very sensitive to the energy in a room if it's negative if it's charged you know if there's you know whatever is going on can sometimes understand that people are judging without even understanding it so because that happens sometimes should be on on social overload and just she'll start to short circuit right right if if so that's one short circuit another short circuit might be there's a lot of stress going on in the world right there's a lot of she can feel the stress in the world or he and and can feel stress in their life something's a little off right and and maybe they ate something wrong and this really causing some sensitivity they might wake up in the morning feeling this this almost like overload of of emotions or overload of something going on and they'll feel short circuit it and what they need to do this is this is knowing themselves you have to catch that this is what you're in you have to know how to clear your energy you have to know how to cleanse it you have and quickly okay you have to give yourself some time to move slowly through your morning to adjust you have to know what to eat what to put in your body you you have to know what is going to work for you and also listen to at that point too because nutrition is more than just food food is medicine yeah yeah so if you're listening to the news or you're listening to something that's going to perpetuate that you distance yourself yeah you got to have a good morning routine and you also have to catch when you're getting overloaded or overstimulated or there's too much psychic perception going on around you you can learn to block it I've learned to block it I walk outside I zip up and then I walk outside and I'm like can't touch this do boom boom right you know you're you really you have to learn how to how to you know zip up so that doesn't affect you but if you're not good at that yet you are going to short circuit and you're you're gonna end up thinking I'm insecure I'm oversensitive and you're gonna shame yourself you can't do that right well that's the first person you're gonna look at to to put cast blame towards yourself typically I mean that's that's me I'm like oh man what did I do so there's one of my more recent mentors unfortunately she passed is Pat Longo and Pat has a wonderful meditation and and saying she often said before you go out into the world surround ground and shield and the grounding is obviously we I shouldn't say obvious that we know how to ground but the surround is surrounding yourself in the white light of God or source or whomever but in this instance it's God and the shield is quite literally having the ability to block and stop movement into your space it's shielding you that from anything else you were not going to allow that in can I frame that in another way because you're absolutely right I 100% back this but take this all internal now right instead of surrounding yourself with with light open up the top of your head and ask for God energy source energy light energy or higher yourself to just become a part of you okay when it comes to to guarding yourself it isn't about guarding because that's that's almost like defensive right right and you know don't get in here you know it's more like when I said can't touch this it's like this is my house get I own this beautiful temple this houses my soul you don't get to come in here and bust with this you don't get to affect my energy you don't get to steal their dreamy this is mine I own it so you take your power in your being and say nobody gets to get into this field right that's different it's not defensive it's offensive but not in a negative way and then what was the of one in the middle that you said um surround ground ground so the grounding is that is it safe to be in this body and I in control of my destiny in this world or am I constantly reacting to this world reacting and reacting and that's something I teach clients do is you know you you if you're reacting to the world the world always has the power where's your power correct the locus of control yes and so so when you're when you're grounding you're grounded when it's okay to be in this body because you've healed the stuff the trauma like you were talking about earlier you've been able to address the trauma that you've gone through you've been able to understand yourself go through forgiveness self forgiveness mostly right then it's safe to be in this body you want to be it and when you walk this earth it's it's like I don't this word earth is not unsafe I'm creating a reality and whatever comes into my world is for my highest and greatest good anyway so bring it on what you get right right you know and that's that courage that we develop when we when we heal when we go in this healing journey and so I think awakening it needs to come with an internal I'm not just awakening of the spirituality which keeps us external it's understanding that you're awakening and now let's heal what's inside take that out right so that you can blossom and it's the story of the Phoenix yes yes do you remember in the back of my book I wrote that poem about the Phoenix but in a very practical way yeah actually it's on my shelf right here yeah well in the poem it basically is saying the Phoenix you know is this mystical creature who flies to earth and burns herself down to a white ash only so she can fly again in radiant wings right but the way that I write about it is that it yeah we are souls who fly down to earth we get burned by the human condition we you know fall into a white ash and we until we're ready to stand up shake off the dust do the healing right find our balance and find our footing we're a balance between logic and and and creativity and a balance between push and force and allowing you know we're all of this balance and then we start to find our you know after we've done this healing and our growth and balancing then we can radiate as this golden like that we are that's that's great that's a wonderful way to to frame it out I really I really like that and I had forgotten about the which is no surprise the at the end of the book the poem so yeah I'm the guy who goes to store for milk and forgets milk so you know what join the club yeah yeah you know what speaking of forgot one thing that we forgot to mention was your theatrical your thesbian side and musical side which is quite I I like it I think that it's it's very fun and I think that it allows for your creativity to come out even more can I share a story about that please do I think there is always a part of me because of my one of my biggest lessons of this life was insecurity at when I was in my 20s I would have to go hide in the bathroom just to kind of regroup and breathe and breathe and not going to you know anxiety you know that's shocking to me by the way I know everybody says that but that's because I did my healing and when I even after I had my holistic healing center I wasn't you know I'd go to ecstatic dance but I wouldn't really let go and it wasn't until I went to Belize and and and it was when I I'd really done a lot I'd moved to the top of Los Padras mountains of the year before and sat a year in my silence you know nobody around me there was no neighbors there was nothing I was up there with bear and bobcat you know and and and I really grew and I really let go and I really evolved and when I gave away all my possessions and went on the road and the move to Belize to begin you know at one of the beginnings I learned to dance and I learned to dance like nobody was looking and I realized I sat there going I wanted dance and I don't really get a shit when anyone thinks about nobody knows me here nobody knows me and I'm at a dance like nobody is looking and I dance and eventually so if there was a Sunday fun day that always happened in Belize on Amber Gricky and at Crazy Connooks but they had this awesome live band and and one of the guys came up who you know there everybody went on the island all the expats went and so he came up to me he's like you do realize Kelly that we all come here to listen to the band but also to watch you dance it's get out of here yeah yeah and then I started getting up on stage and singing you know and and so then I'd walk into a bar or whatever a beach place and they'd be like Kelly Shweggles in the house I didn't care anymore right I didn't care how cool yeah but I wasn't always that way and I want to send that message to your listeners that we do we can grow into this you know that's important important message there yes really important you know when we do our inner healing we get so many rewards life is so much easier my gosh one of my quotes is you know doing your soul's work your inner work is hard work but it is the only work that makes your life easy right and no true words have been said so and it isn't you know that's what I I tell people sometimes in the coaching sessions and different things like that the answer simple it's not easy and that's true because if you if you were to tell someone to get to the root of happiness you just have to be your authentic self sounds really simple but it's not easy to be your authentic self yeah so that's yeah but I will say that it you know what's the hardest thing about doing any of your inner work is taking the first step absolutely once you take the first step wasn't the rest kind of it just all unfolded automatically it just it's a domino effect and once you start to create that energy the energy doesn't want to stop it just wants to keep going and flowing and looking seeking more and more yeah do you remember when I shared this in the book but I'll repeat it for your listeners when I really really began to do some deep inner healing I had been like I had a really bad abuse of boyfriend and we broke up and I you know struggling financially and I hated my career and I was just like uh and I you know I was just it just wasn't you know I wasn't in a good place and I was sick all the time and I just I remember just um talking to my as a woman who would help me with my clairvoyance and she said you know Kelly just just describe yourself to me and I'm like okay so I'm confident and I'm a good mom and I'm pretty and I'm really energetic and I'm successful and she's like okay yeah we're gonna go behind all that okay and I was like what what do you think you make a move her go ahead and I was not willing to get vulnerable at first I was really I was like no I am and she's like you might be but what's behind all that and then she kept pushing me and I was getting a little mad I'm like come on what are you talking about and she's like come on Kelly and I finally broke down and I it I realized that I had four statements about myself and I realized that I thought that I was sick I was bad I was worthless and I was broken and I realized I truly believed those things and later that day I got into a meditation that I thought was five minutes long it was an hour and a half and I got in and I was not a meditator at the time I got in and I just I was like tell me just tell me why why do I think I'm bad why do I think I'm worthless you know what is so why why do I think this and and I just got deeper and deeper and I started to see memories the dumbest things being bullied on the playground you know being teased you know not being nurtured inappropriate sexual experiences in high school being a partier you know throwing myself under the bus my divorce you know all all these things and they were just building and building not crying so bad at tears and snot running out of my nose and I was a I was a hot mess and and I came out of that meditation and incidentally I even saw two past lives that were affecting me in this life and I saw everything about them and how they were affecting me it was pretty intense and so I came out of that meditation and I I just felt so light and the next day I you know because I I acknowledge these means and I'm like I'm so sorry I the next day I felt this thing and I'm like what what is this thing what am I feeling I'm like my god that's that's self love hmm oh and I realized I had never felt it before wow never and I remember just being on a on a week of just this high of oh my god everything is so great but that's it when you start loving yourself first then you talk about frequency or you mentioned frequency before and then the lower frequency of you know vengeful religion or god or what have you when you have that frequency when it's truly yours and it's love what what happens more comes in yeah so it's like a crack like absolutely absolutely yeah so we have to go on to the third pillar yes the show is just the musical questions and I'm sorry to be so abrupt but we're please do we're up against the the tyrant of time okay it's musical question time I wrote down my answers yay so as I mentioned this is the part of the show when I have the chance to ask the guest some musical questions because I mentioned it on every show that I think that music is the tie that binds us all together and I do believe everyone has a soundtrack that accompanies their life so here comes the question question number one what was the first song you fell in love with from the radio um actually the one that I can remember I was like 12 or 13 years old but blondie was out and that song the tie is high oh my god I thought I mean it was a female group and they were just amazing and they were gorgeous and I was like they were so 1980s I think that was like and yeah it was 1980 that came out and I was just I was just in love with it fantastic you're the first one that had mentioned the blondie song so that's great yeah no surprise I guess um so did your family have a song that would come on the radio or something like that if you were on a road trip or vacation somewhere and you just start singing well and this is a funny story because music my parents were were even though they were professionals they were very theatrical I watched them in musicals and plays and we actually did the shwaggle family singers you know and we did I mean like all types of theater but the funny thing that was my dad had this very deep voice and um and he would uh we'd be on road trips and all of sudden my dad and the silence of the cheering Minominum and four girls Girl voices and and even to the day he died if he ever did Minominum wherever we were we don't call Cool, I love that that is so freaking cool So let's go back to your senior year in high school and your cruising with your friends and Song comes on and the windows are down. What song is that what are you screaming? Well, okay, so first of all Prince was huge, you know, so a little red Corvette and you know that stuff was all out there Love John Melon camp to John Cougar then Melon camp, but I think the You know that even though this song I think I come out in like 83 Girls just want to have fun, you know when I'm with my girlfriends, you know a little Cindy lot Yeah, yeah, we love that we dress up like that. Oh, it was the time to do it right so much fun Yeah, I graduated 1986. So I'm an 80s chick Well, I was a little two years before you graduated in 84 so I understand This is my music, so I love it So when you went to school when you went to college Did your musical tastes change at all or night in day really okay? Oh night in day and to this day I can tell you that I'm still like a van Morrison fan led Zeppelin Pink Floyd the who Eric Clapton Steve Ray von I That is nothing like oh I Yeah, absolutely I was actually at the concert that Steve Ray von died at it was an Eric Clapton Steve Ray von concert and I was there Walking down the other side of the ski hill when his his helicopter hit the mountain Hell pain and yeah, I'm fine Valley. Yeah, yeah, it was it but that that musical That music really shaped me and then of course as I got older then of course I have my my chicks, you know Then I had Cheryl Crow and a lot of some more set and Sarah McLaughlin and you know, it's just you know funny rate Yes, yes, you absolutely you evolve, you know with with your music You do and for for me I went to It wasn't quite folk music, but yet again it was in the 80s and into the 90s was which was you too I Really became A deep dive guy into you too. So I I get what you're saying. Yeah Do you have a song That if you need a little pick me up that you would you play get some energy going? I'm gonna tell you something. It's anything I can sing to I actually have a singing list playlist that I created on my On my Spotify so that I can get in there and just the minute I can sing my solo opens up and it doesn't matter You know, it really doesn't as long as I'm singing I've got a smile on my face But it but I also know if I need to come that I'm gonna, you know, of course listen to some mantras, you know It's really great mantra is little diva from all, you know and and just kind of Come myself but really to bring myself up. It's just singing. I Wish I could pull out my phone And show you my Spotify list that says Songs I wish I could still sing because I hurt my voice But I still sing them but I used to be able to sing them To perform them and I love that you and I need to talk because I actually my voice was damaged in COVID I had it seven times because of my auto immune and I was coughing and coughing and coughing It was damaged and I ended up in a personal healing with it and now I can sing again That yes, we do need to talk So thank you for I'm so glad this that came up Do you have a guilty pleasure song? Okay, there are a couple when I saw that I was like oh god So one of them I if you get on my play like my regular playlist It's musicals musicals musicals rights of K. Hey Zeus is probably one of my guilty pleasures in there But one of my embarrassing ones that I love so much is just around the river bed You know the Pocahontas song my gosh Disney my gosh, I Love that Love Pocahontas, and I love that whole story and and it just it touched me and you know Just I love nature and and that song just amazing. I love that That's definitely another first So So if you could think of a song That could possibly change the way people think or feel about the world around them in a positive way What would that song be? Oh, this is huge for me. I say this all the time and I bring it up in session all the time And it's Billy Joel's we didn't start the fire Because we want to say that everything is awful right now. How do you know? It's not if this is a cycle. We're just in a cycle this earth was meant to be on fire and as Souls if everything is going well, why change? So it has to not be going well and when you get yourself so distracted with politics and what's going on in the news That's called a distraction It's distracting you from what you came here to do which is to evolve and not to be like you mentioned not to chant You know sit on a mountain top chanting own. It's to be able to walk This earth in all of its chaos as the common monks the storm Hmm and that's song if you really listen to it We didn't start that fire honey. It's been weren't burning since the world's been turning Yes, so you you were Preaching to the choir because I'm a Billy Joel guy Me too. I am such a Billy Joel fan and I've had the the pleasure of seeing him probably Six to eight times in my life and each time I love it. I love it. So I had all of his cassettes. Oh Did you really okay? Yeah, yeah Well, I can tell you I was the first Billy Joel concert I went to was a stranger concert my cousin Jim drove me to the to that concert and we Would listen to it writing our bikes when the little cassette player Strat to the the handlebars. Oh my gosh. That came down out in like 79 something like that, didn't it? Yeah, because I think we saw him in 1980. Okay, that would make sense. Yeah Yeah, that does make it makes perfect sense. Love that album glass houses my favorite. I love glass houses so much and The other one that I like is 50 second street. Oh, yeah With stiletto and until the night So I used to sing it a a bar when I was in college called the sassafras lounge it was inside of a hotel and I would sing a lot of Billy Joel songs and things that I I really enjoyed and I sang until the night And I love singing that song it was just such an amazing song We're gonna get you to sing it again. No, you know, I would love to I would love to be able to do that You know, it's people have said that Oh, your voice has that raspy smoker sound to it. I said well, it didn't use to so Unfortunately, yeah, kind of does know but well, but mind it too and I will tell you that you what you do is you actually find songs that actually work with your voice You know what you're right and there are a number that I find are much easier to to sing now than four years ago when I injured myself, but yeah, I get it so I'm gonna here's the last song last song last question that I have for you and Will go to a wrap it up after this It's happens to be one of my favorite sometimes there are songs you hear that ring so true That they can literally stop you in your tracks and the songs lyrics sound like they were written specifically for you or buy you What's that song? There were two of them so it was hard for me to choose but Why choose between two good things. Let's go. Okay, so one of them is 32 flavors by Ani DeFranco And the lyrics really say you know, I'm beyond your peripheral vision. So you might want to turn your head You know and and it has everything to do with no, I'm not normal and there's a lot more to me than you think There's a lot more to me and if and you're gonna end up eating the words that you said because you just have to turn your head You can't even understand me Yeah, and the other one is wonder by Natalie Merchant and And yeah, I know I know yeah, yeah, and not because I'm trying to say like I'm oh this big wonder It's more that it's spoke to me that I know that I'm different and and it's like everyone's like why are you like the way you are? Well, you know what? Yes, you're right. I'm an enigma to you. I understand that and and you know what I can found you and It's found you too, right and you don't understand me those are some of the words that the lyrics and so They're both ones that I think Earlier in my life I had a very hard time with being clairvoyant because I was so different and I didn't think like others And no one understood me even my own parents and And even my sisters, you know, they don't have that gift either so for me it spoke to me about it's okay You know, no, they don't get you I'm beyond your peripheral vision. You might want to turn your head Wow that's That really is fascinating that you yet that's a great choice especially for you. That's such a great choice Well and by the way, I should should say thank you so much for sharing those those were fantastic I love your choices. They're Wonderful. I'm surprised you didn't bring up. I've been waiting for a girl like you story Oh, you know what? I'll tell you what how about how about we do another episode and we'll We'll talk about that Love it. Yeah, I will definitely bring that up Well, it's just about time to cue the music for today's episode But don't forget to like comment and subscribe to the drop the needle podcast to stay up to date on our latest episodes I'd also like to take a moment to thank everyone again for tuning in today And I hope you enjoyed this episode of the drop the needle podcast I'd also like to think a very special guest Miss Kelly swagel For joining us today Kelly if somebody who wants to get in touch with you how are they going to do that Yeah, you can email me at Kelly um at kelly swagel.com So that's my email um you can also I actually um I'm on Facebook you can find me there I used to have a website I took it down because I only work with referrals or people who message me on on email who really give me their story and I'll feel into it Are we a good fit before I used to people used to be able to just foot with me and I like to kind of bet No, I get that and I do the same thing for the for the show so yeah And so what I'll do is I will put everything on the show notes for today your socials and everything so At this point I would just say that I'd like to invite anyone To reach out to Kelly because Definitely worth your time to do so Thank you. I invite You all to head on over to the show notes where there's going to be a link For the playlist in today's episode which is going to be amazing as well as as I mentioned Getting in touch with Kelly so you can book a session with her All right, my drop the needle posse like Billie Joel says from the highs to the lows to the end of the show This is the end of our show Until next time this is Jamal stop wishing you infinite health and happiness and the perfect playlist to your life Thank you again for being the best part of us catch you next time