The Joe Rogan Experience

#2446 - Greg Fitzsimmons

163 min
Jan 31, 20264 months ago
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Summary

Joe Rogan and Greg Fitzsimmons discuss social media censorship, conspiracy theories ranging from the moon landing to Epstein, AI's impact on society, and the current state of comedy clubs and talent development. They explore how technology is reshaping entertainment, from deepfakes to AI-generated content, while reflecting on comedy's golden era and future.

Insights
  • Social media platforms are actively censoring content through algorithmic suppression and keyword blocking, creating a chilling effect on free speech without transparent policies
  • AI-generated content (voice, video, images) is advancing faster than legal frameworks can address, creating risks for identity theft, election interference, and unauthorized commercial use
  • Comedy club economics have shifted from development-focused venues to profit-maximizing operations, threatening the pipeline that historically produced major comedians
  • Conspiracy theories persist partly because official narratives contain verifiable inconsistencies (fake moon rocks, redacted documents), making blanket dismissal ineffective
  • The current comedy renaissance is driven by direct-to-audience models and pop-up shows, bypassing traditional gatekeepers but creating sustainability questions
Trends
Algorithmic censorship becoming more sophisticated and less transparent than explicit content moderationAI voice cloning and deepfake technology advancing to near-indistinguishable quality from authentic contentDecentralization of comedy venues from traditional clubs to bars, restaurants, and pop-up eventsIncreased government surveillance using facial recognition and metadata analysis on protest participantsComedy talent development shifting from institutional clubs to community-based open mics and mentorship programsConspiracy theory resilience due to documented government deception (Tuskegee, Operation Northwoods, Cambodia bombing)Corporate consolidation of comedy venues reducing local talent development investmentAI chatbots being used for mental health support despite lack of ethical guardrails or liability frameworksGenerative AI tools (video, audio, text) disrupting traditional entertainment production timelinesData privacy erosion through smartphone listening, location tracking, and behavioral profiling without explicit consent
Topics
Social Media Censorship and Content ModerationAI-Generated Deepfakes and Voice CloningMoon Landing Conspiracy TheoriesGovernment Surveillance and Facial RecognitionComedy Club Economics and Talent DevelopmentFree Speech vs. Platform ResponsibilityData Privacy and Smartphone ListeningAI Chatbots and Mental HealthWhistleblower Protection and JournalismTikTok Ownership and Content RestrictionsGenerative AI in Entertainment ProductionHistorical Government DeceptionComedy Festival Culture and SkankfestPodcast Studio Integration in VenuesCryptocurrency and Blockchain in Comedy
Companies
TikTok
Discussed for censoring content critical of Israel and blocking keywords like 'Epstein' in direct messages
OpenAI
ChatGPT discussed for encouraging suicide in conversations and being used for unauthorized voice cloning
Google
Settled $68M lawsuit for unlawfully recording user conversations through Google Assistant devices
Tesla
Elon Musk's Optimus robot discussed as future household AI companion; Model S Plaid named after Spaceballs
SpaceX
Starship design influenced by Spaceballs; discussed for advancing reusable rocket technology
Netflix
Hosts reality show about wealthy Palm Beach women; discussed for content strategy
Palantir
Data analytics platform used by ICE for neighborhood raids and surveillance operations
NASA
Artemis mission discussed as unannounced lunar program; Apollo program credibility questioned
Meta
Facebook/Instagram discussed for algorithmic content curation and data collection practices
X (Twitter)
Elon Musk's acquisition credited with preserving free speech platform alternative to censorship
People
Elon Musk
Discussed for Twitter acquisition, SpaceX innovation, Tesla Optimus robot development, and Spaceballs influence
Neil Armstrong
Moon landing astronaut whose cryptic 25th anniversary speech raises questions about mission authenticity
Edward Snowden
NSA whistleblower discussed as example of importance of anonymous sources for government accountability
Stanley Kubrick
Film director theorized to have filmed moon landing footage due to technical expertise and timing
Tom O'Neill
Author of 'Chaos' about Manson murders and CIA involvement; discussed as exemplary investigative journalist
Ari Shaffir
Comedian whose father survived Holocaust; discussed for family's acceptance despite controversial comedy
Bill Gates
Alleged in Epstein emails to have contracted STD from prostitute; discussed regarding blackmail leverage
Jeffrey Epstein
Discussed as sophisticated blackmailer who leveraged relationships with scientists and politicians
Ehud Barak
Former Israeli PM who emailed Epstein claiming not to work for Mossad with smiley face emoji
Mel Brooks
Comedy legend discussed for influence on comedy writing and film; recent documentary released
Richard Pryor
Co-wrote Blazing Saddles with Mel Brooks; was supposed to play the sheriff in the film
Andy Kaufman
Comedian discussed for unconventional performances including working as busboy while on Taxi TV show
Bob Zmuda
Andy Kaufman collaborator who claims Kaufman is still alive; had heated podcast confrontation
Henry Flagler
Railroad magnate who allegedly burned down Black residents' homes in Palm Beach to seize land
Judy Garland
Wizard of Oz star discussed for toxic working conditions and exploitation during filming
Wendy Liebman
Denver comedy club owner praised for developing local talent through structured mentorship programs
Mark Norman
New Orleans comedian discussed for performing pop-up shows across multiple venues
Michael Rappaport
Comedian whose shows were canceled at Cap City Austin for pro-Israel political stance
Stephen Wright
Boston comic who was discovered on Tonight Show and became major 1980s star
Barney Frank
Gay congressman who debated moral majority representative in high school assembly
Quotes
"You counter hate speech with better speech. You appeal to rational people and sensible people that go, this is why this guy is wrong."
Joe RoganEarly in episode
"We've only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered. Breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers."
Neil Armstrong25th anniversary speech
"If you're trying to film the surface of the moon in the day, you're not going to see any stars in the sky because it's going to be just like the stars on Earth."
Joe RoganMoon landing discussion
"The thing about like intelligence agencies, there's a lot of good people that are working there. It's like we judge them based on the evil people that are probably the ones with the most power."
Greg FitzsimmonsGovernment discussion
"You have to think of it as it's like this is an art colony. You're creating an art colony. What's the best way to do it?"
Joe RoganComedy club discussion
Full Transcript
Joe Rogan, what are you guys checking out? The Joe Rogan Experience. Shrink my day, Joe Rogan podcast my night all day. Oh, Alba Brant has six and an half of a brain, so I'm gonna be fucking sharp. I've got this stuff too, if you want it. It's an energy drink that also has new tropics in it. Oh yeah? Yeah, good stuff. Gregory! Joe, this is a C in my friend. Good to see you, man. The world's on fire. Good time for you to come in. Whoo! I mean, I literally, I mean, talked about being addicted to your scroll. I gotta really put the fucking phone down sometimes. I know. Yeah, it's not good. No. It's not good for your brain. To see all the problems of the world, all pilot, and everything looks like it's about to blow up. Yeah. You Ron looks like it's about to blow up. They're talking about going into Cuba. Don Lemon went to jail. It's like, it's all crazy. It's like what's next? You know, when jail gives you lemons, and it's also like, what's that whole theory about we're only supposed to be exposed to like 200 people? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a done bar's number. Yeah. Well, you only can keep that many people in your head. But you should only know about that many divorces and that much cheating and that much killing as would happen within 200. And crime and you fill in the blank. Right. So fraud, waste, abuse, international politics, restrictions on speech in England. Yeah. You said this fucking crazy story. This guy in England, an illegal alien, was a squatter in his house. The court ruled that because he didn't live in the house, the guy didn't live in the house. It was an empty house. They gave him the house. They gave the squatter of the house. The squatter sold it for 540 grand. Squatter sold his house. Took his house because he was living it. And this guy was like a pensioner. He was just a guy who had like, an extra house like a fucking investment property. You're right. And this guy moved into it. Have you seen it? Jamie? I'm seeing something from a year ago. I don't know. Somebody said it to me today. They had that in New York. It back in the 70s and 80s. There was a lot of empty units like down on the low-reside. Like Topkins Square Park area. There was a lot of squatting. Yeah, this is it. Squatter moved into the pensioners, empty home. Then won the legal right to keep it and sold the house for 500, I guess 540, is that Euros or pounds? Is that pounds? What's that? Yeah, England has pounds. That's fucking crazy. That's so crazy. England has lost its fucking mind. Yeah. It's almost like they want people to either revolt or completely submit. It's one or the other. It's like you're either begging for a revolution. Are you begging for people to completely submit? Mm-hmm. They've arrested 12,000 people this year for social media posts. Oh, that's right. And most of it is criticizing immigration. Yeah. Just criticizing immigration. Just saying immigration sucks. We should send these people back home. Cop show up at your door. Right. Crazy. Well, TikTok is now not allowing people to post anything that is anti-ice. Not just that. You can't post the juice box emoji. What's that? Because it's code for juice. Because people were using it because they were blocking content where they were criticizing Israel. Wait, why is the juice box juice? I don't know. Juice. Juice box. Juice. It is funny. But did they block the use? This is somebody sending this. I haven't verified this. They blocked the use of the word Epstein. I mean, I saw, I don't, I'm out on the app, but I saw a video of someone trying to, you know, Yeah, let's run that through perplexity. And ask if it's possible. See, a perplexity will rat out TikTok. Right. Because that's um... It's so crazy that they would do it because they just purchased it. Right. So it was just purchased by some, what is the group? Is it did Larry Ellison's group purchase it? Yes. Which is a tremendous supporter of Netanyahu and Israel. Right. So, yeah. There you go. Right. So you got censored news now. So any criticism of Palestine, what's going on in Gaza, all that stuff's gonna get squashed probably. TikTok says, does not have a rule that bands or blocks the word Epstein across the app, but many US users have recently been unable to send that word in direct messages. Now, I have a friend, his name is Bobby Epstein, totally unrelated. He's the guy who owns the Coda racetrack. He's a good friend of mine. I can't send a message saying I was just talking to my friend, Bobby Epstein. Oh, no shit. That's crazy. Wow. Epstein is a super common name. Yeah. That's a super, it's like Jones. It was on Welcome Back Cotter. Right. Epstein from Welcome Back Cotter. That's right. He can't talk about him anymore. He could play my brother on News Radio. No! Yes! Him, Nick DePolo and Brian Calon played my brothers and we all just beat the shit out of each other didn't need to hire an episode. It was hilarious. Nick threw me through a play class window and then the brother shows up. The Epstein was a priest. And he showed up with a bat. We're all scared of our older brother. It was really funny. He was the Jew, the Puerto Rican Jew from Brooklyn. Yes. He was great. He was a really nice guy too. So what else does this say here? Newsin to probe claims of Trump critical censorship on TikTok? I think they're fucking blocking a lot of things. On certain social media platforms. I mean, what is that? I mean, what's your big picture take on whether or not social media platforms which are privately owned have responsibility that say regular broadcast networks would have in terms of not censoring things? Well, regular broadcasts problem is they censor things. Right. They don't just report on the news. They report on what they decide they're going to report on. Like, it's a CNN hourly news segment. They have no responsibility to tell you about any particular story. None. Zero. Yeah. So they'll wait till something becomes like unmanageable before they'll start talking about it. Right. So something like starts getting traction on social media, like some sort of a corruption scandal. If it's a left-wing scandal, they can ignore it. Right. And they have no obligation to, it's not like we have to tell you about these very critical. Right. It's not like, you know, we ran it through AI. There's 20 things that the American public has to know about. So they censor, or at least they curate the content. I think for social media platforms, if Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter, we would be fucked because there would be no place where you could say whatever you want. Even heinous things, right? Yeah. But if someone says heinous things, you can block them and not interact with them. And you can let other people tear them down and tear them apart. And that's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be, you don't counter hate speech with censorship. You counter it with better speech. Right. And you appeal to rational people and sensible people that go, this is why this guy is wrong. This is why racism is wrong. This is why rash generalizations are wrong. This is why it's wrong. Yeah. And that's how you're supposed to do it. It's supposed to be a free speech, town hall platform. It's supposed to be like the town square where everybody can get together and talk about ideas. And that's how it should be. Right. And there's been a lot of calls that say that you shouldn't be able to be anonymous on the internet. You shouldn't be able to be anonymous on social media. That you should have consequences for your actions. The problem with that is, then you lose all your whistleblowers. Right. All the whistleblowers that are talking about giant corporations that are doing horrible things to the environment, secretly in other countries, which we find out about all the time. Like the Stephen Dozenger case, or that guy got arrested. He was prosecuted. Was it Exxon? The Dozenger case? But it's like whistleblowers are important. Yes. You know, and if you don't have whistleblowers, you don't find out. Like if Edward Snowden doesn't come out, we know so little about the NSA. We know so little about government spying. And yeah, he's an American former attorney known for his legal about Ochevron, particularly with, so he was arrested and he went to jail, man, for criminal contempt. I mean, that's first amendment, isn't it? You know, I don't know exactly the details of the case. He spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest. Wow. Not only do they go to jail, it depletes all your savings. If they decide to prosecute you, your life is ruined. That's part of the point of it all. It's also discourage other people from doing the same thing. Right. So if you're an attorney and you're thinking of prosecuting, you know, Shell, you're not going to do that now. You're going to fuck this. You know, I have a fucking house trying to buy a Porsche. And then you back at it. Yeah, right. You know, I mean, yeah, it's a weird thing because like, I know, like right now, to cover the Pentagon, no journalist can go into the Pentagon unless they sign an agreement that only put out government-sponsored press releases. Government approved or government approved. So now you've got very few people inside the Pentagon, which is where the whistle blowing was happening. They're the back halls of the Pentagon. That's crazy. But then you see the problem with the Pentagon is you're talking about national security. And if someone released something like the name of an agent that was undercover somewhere and something happened, that person got killed or compromised or some sort of a national security interest, you know, was the whole thing was tanked. Yeah. That's the Pentagon's different. I mean, I'm not saying that they, the press shouldn't have access to Pentagon officials. They certainly should. But it's like going there is kind of different, right? Well, they just had a giant sweep on gangs in this country today. Yeah. And they just released that they found like, I know there's 10 kilos of drugs, the arresting cartels in America. Like cartel gangs? And so they made a giant arrest today. I think they arrested two hundred. So you can find what that story is. But like, imagine if you were in the FBI office and you heard about an imminent attack and you printed something. Like if you're a reporter and you're covering this stuff and you have access to this information somehow, and it gets released and these guys find out about it and they skate. They nabbed 50 Latin Kings and Operation Broken Crown after three months sweep. So what is the details of it? Okay, last three months FBI is quietly executed. Okay, this is on X. It's quietly executed. Operation Broken Crown, a sweeping violent gang take down involving 13 field offices targeting the Latin Kings gangs. Members which were publicly threatening law enforcement officers, 50 arrests, $200,000 in seized assets, seizure of 10 kilos of illicit narcotics. Interesting. Interesting. Well, so like that kind of a situation, you can't have access to that information before they do it. That has to be very tight-lipped. There's only a few of those kind of scenarios that I can imagine. But when it comes to like politicians and back door deals, like there should be live footage of it. Well, you only found out about the bomb, the illegal bombings in Cambodia because there was a whistleblower inside of Depentegon. Exactly. Exactly. So you do need some access. Yeah, but it's like what you need whistleblowers, right? Right. It's like how many people, here's the thing about like intelligence agencies, there's a lot of good people that are working there. It's like we judge them based on the evil people that are probably the ones with the most power. Yes. There's probably a lot of like mid-level people working at Depentegon, working at the sea, working everywhere that are good people. Are you kidding me? These are people that have dedicated their lives to trying to, you know, I believe I'm same way with cops. I think, you know, I've got three good buddies that are cops and they are absolutely went into it to say that the way a social worker goes into it. Yes. And then there's evil ones that, you know, I think it was worse. I think back, like, you know, back in the days of like CERPICO, you ever see them? Oh, yeah. Like it was literally like the entire force was in on it. Yeah, yeah. You know, there was fucking legal gambling, legal drug dealing, nobody got touched. Yep, yep. Yeah, they've always done that. I mean, that's how they ran the mob in Vegas. Yeah. The mob ran Vegas with the cops. Oh, yeah, we're just talking about that outside. Yeah. Why was Vegas in Atlantic City the only places allowed? I don't know why I said stupidly as that. You're like, Jamie's like, because of the mob asshole. Fucking, uh, well, it was the mob and I think Nevada. There was also, see if this is true. Um, there was supposedly a connection between the testing of nuclear weapons and then allowing the city or the state rather to have gambling. Cause Nevada was one of the rare places where they like routinely tested nuclear weapons. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you've ever seen the video that shows a history of all the atomic bombs going off in the United States. No. The video is crazy because it starts with the first test, starts with the Trinity test, starts with the couple in the ocean. What's the matter? What's so funny? Uh, just the way this is worth it. What is it? I asked if there was a connection between nuclear testing gambling in Las Vegas and turns out, yeah, they would use it as a theme to attract gamblers. What? Look, come see a bomb. Yeah. It's really 1950s to the 1960s Las Vegas. Casitos and tourism promoters actively used nearby nuclear weapons tests as themed attraction to draw gamblers and visitors. Holy shit, man. Bomb parties. It's like how, oh my god, they had bomb parties on the rooftop. They would watch, they'd stay up gambling, drinking and then stick outside to watch the blast on the horizon. Wow. Oh my god. They're like, how season says fireworks now? They had atomic theme promotions, atomic cocktails, atomic hairdoes, nuclear pin up imagery, like misatomic blast. Slow guns like atomic city USA and up in Adam to tie the test directly to Vegas nightlife and gambling culture. Holy shit, man. Oh, I wonder if you could place bets. Dude, I brought a Sanjoff. I don't know if they had the same thing, like what they have now with modern prediction betting, prediction betting, you can bet on pretty much everything. I just made a bet last night on a go back down to where you were. Stopped with the bottom line. And short, nuclear weapons test near Las Vegas were not just a backdrop. They were deliberately woven into casino marketing, party culture and tourism that supported the city's gambling economy. But did it have the reason, like here's my question. This was Nevada allowed to have gambling because of them allowing nuclear tests. Like there was there any sort of an agreement because there's only two states at that time that allowed casinos, like real casinos. Right. And it seems kind of weird that one of them, you know, New Jersey's always been fucking corrupt. That's the sopranos. Like the most mob-ridden fucking state in the country at the time. East and Atlantic City pretty much. Yeah, fucking shit. Yeah. Atlantic City. And then Vegas was Bugsy Siegel, right? Okay. Well, since Nevada legalized most force of gambling in not 31, okay, so it doesn't make any sense because it's before that. So it's the great depression, economic measure, track tours. So no, so that theory doesn't hold up. Right. I didn't know that Vegas was starting at 31. That's nuts. So basically the great depression started and then they launched Vegas as a way to raise money for Nevada. Which is hilarious. You have no money. There's no jobs. Once you gamble, what? My gamble is going to the food line. See, you know, I get a loaf of bread. That's my gamble today. You know, it's crazy is that lake keeps drying up because they were having a drought. They keep finding bodies in the lake. Oh, no shit. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, like those metal barrels with like bodies inside of them. They found quite a few of them. How many bodies have they found? Is it lake mead, I believe? Yeah. As it's drying up, it's like it was. I think it's probably picked up a little bit, but at one point in time was at a historic low. And so they were finding these fucking dead bodies. I think they found like a half a dozen of them. And I think they think there's a whole lot more in there. No shit. As of last latest reporting, at least six separate discoveries of human remains. Yeah. And the lake mead in 2022 is the water level dropped, representing at least several different individuals. Wow. Um, find out that thing where they stopped searching for guns and bodies. I think it was in MacArthur Park and why they did that. David Talback in his insomniac days used to hang out. He hung out with some dark motherfuckers in New York. And he used to bring this guy in who was, uh, he was in New York City cop and they basically said, well, double your pay and give you early retirement. If you put on a frog suit every night and you go out into, I think it was flushing bay, one of the bays out in Queens, which was a famous place where the mob was dropping bodies. And the guy would go into the water in a frog suit and he'd wait by this bridge. And when they drop a body, he'd fucking call it in. And he did that the night shift. And he'd finish that and he'd come into the comedy seller like 4 a.m. So he'd wait in the ocean and a scoop of suit in a bag. And then he'd drop a body. Yeah. Holy shit. They would drop him that many bodies. Yes. Yes. Are you being as wait for? Boop. That's so crazy. Is his searcher MacArthur Park for guns and possible bodies was stopped because authority said it was an unpermitted and potentially unsafe operation on city park property. Okay. So it was a businessman. So it was a private thing. So that's probably what it was. So officials, official reasons given organizers led by business man, John, I don't know how to spell. A L L E. How do you say that? Ale. A plan to use sonar and remotely operated vehicles look for weapons and human remains in the lake. Los Angeles Park Rangers halted the effort before the sonar entered the water saying the team did not have the required permits or clearances. Okay. Why didn't you guys do that though? If you really think, if this guy really thinks that there could be bodies and guns in the lake, why wouldn't you guys search for bodies and guns if someone could search for it? Right. Seems like there's probably a lot of people missing. A lot of crimes can be solved. A lot of resources that have already been spent on cases. You could probably get to the bottom of a lot of things. A L A L, I don't know how to say his name, I said families are missing people. Some of whom were last senior MacArthur Park had reached out to him for help, which inspired the idea of a large scale sonar search of the lake. There's evidence down there for crimes, he said, we'll identify it with photography and the city will have to extract it. They also could be these are homeless people and they can't give a shit. They can't. Yeah. Come on, they were kids once. It's hard to swim when you're on meth, you're a back cardio. You know, if one guy says, this is the last day I do meth today, I get in shape and try to swim across the lake and fucking strokes out in the middle of this. This is my day. Never gave him a, oh, jeez, I'm in there. What are they saying about me? It's an ad. Oh, it's an ad. That's basically, yeah, it's an ad down at the bottom. Oh, I mocked the AI generated. That was crazy. The AI generated photo that MSNBC put up of the guy who got shot in Minneapolis, they changed his appearance. Alex, Freddie. Yes. They changed his appearance and we're going to hand some. Oh, they did. Oh, you haven't seen it. No. You haven't seen it. I don't know who's doing this. It's almost like someone from the Republican side is like a secret plant at MSNBC because they know that stuff like this is going to get caught. Look at the difference between the one on the left and one on the right. Well, the nose looks blurry on the one on the left. Well, that's his nose. That's what he looks like. It's just a shitty picture, but they cleaned the picture up. They made his nose smaller. They gave him a tan. They made his forehead shorter. They made his jaw wider. They made his shoulders thicker. They gave him more bicep. They made him more handsome. They made his neck thicker. He looks better. The guy on the right looks like a good looking guy. The guy on the left looks like Ari's unfortunate brother. Does he? Poor Ari's brother. He went, I mean, it's so funny that Ari comes from this family. I mean, he grew up Orthodox Jewish, right? Oh, yeah. And the things that he has put out there for a family to have to see, it makes you realize and they love him. They accept it. And it's all about grace. And I love Jews because they are very accepting. As much as he might be Orthodox, my wife is half Jewish. And there's something very open-minded about Jews. I mean, they were the original hippies and they were the original communists in America. And they were always open to different ideas. And I think when I think about Ari's family, if they were Christian conservative versus Jewish conservative, I don't know that they'd be as accepting of him. You know, Ari's dad survived the Holocaust. No shit. Oh, yeah, Ari's dad has a tattoo. Damn. Yeah. He's very old. Whoa. Yeah. He must be one of the oldest people left with a tattoo. I mean. Yeah, he talked to me about having his dad on. He asked me if I'd be interested in it. If his dad ever wants to do it because he doesn't have much time left. And I said absolutely. And he goes, you know, I'm not sure if he would be interested in it. But if he did, I think it would be important to talk about. I mean, he's got to be over 100 years old. I don't know how old he is. He's old though. Well, how long ago was 25? You would have to have been born. Oh, no. Actually, if he was born in 1935. He was in his 80s. His late 80s. Okay, yeah, yeah. What am I thinking? Right, right. Because they tattooed the fucking kids. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah, it's dark. It's horrible. It's so crazy, dude. It's so crazy that that was less than 100 years ago. I know, I know. And the Germans like that. Fucking normal, a bit about it. You know, Germany is the country we really should be afraid of. Like the way they start world wars. And what they're like, it's really fucking nuts. Well, they were the barbarians back in the middle. Oh, right. You know, they, I mean, we think of now as engineers, they make BMWs. But back then, they were the barbarians during the Roman era. The German, I guess the Vikings were Scandinavian. And then they were fighting against the. Brother German. Fucking terrifying. Yeah. They were terrifying. And they all became engineers. They all became like brilliant. Yeah. Like very disciplined people. Which is interesting because Germany is known for that. Yeah. And but also shit porn. Remember, like in the early days of the internet, a lot of the shit porn, like weird, crazy, like shitty fucking. A lot of that was coming. And we were trying to analyze it one day. I was like, it's probably because if you're so buttoned down and so disciplined and regimented and conservative in your daily life, the way you cut loose is like you shit in each other's mouths and fuck each other in the butt. Like some of the craziest shit porn was coming out of Germany. Yeah. This was like late 90s, early 2000s. We first started like finding weird websites that would, you know, you'd be able to find things on. Oh no, before that, I'd go to sex world in New York where you sit in those booths and you put in quarters and you watch porn. And they always had the darkest German porn in there. Really? Yeah, a lot of animals and shit. And I'm like, I'm like 15 years old going like, and I've got these coins. You go in and you give the guy 10 bucks and he gives you a handful of coins. Just imagine if you put a black lead on those fucking coins. And I got them in my hand. Just jizz all over those things. And I'm into the, and I push your lights are terrifying. I'm pushing buttons to pick which fell into watch. I have a friend who brought a black lighted to a hotel room. He said, just find jizz on the carpet. No kidding. You find jizz on the fucking blanket sometimes. You got any, like go to a cheap hotel or a motel. How well do you think they're cleaning those carpets? Well, I think they cleaned the walls. I've been at hotels where they put the remote control in a baggy for you. Because they say that's the most, no, no, because so you don't have to touch the remote. And then they change the baggy on the remote. Each time a new guest comes in. So you're supposed to remote through the baggy. Who does that? I take it out of the bag. Right out, yeah, that's crazy. That's ridiculous. I'm touching toilet teeds. I'm touching everything. What were we talking about here? I'm also not that afraid to come. You know, I mean, that's not what's gonna kill you. Yeah. Yeah, and that's just kind of gross. But, yeah. You know, I mean, think about how much shit is on the average person's cell phone. Have you ever heard of that? No. Yeah, just touch your cell phone with a swab. Like get a swab and get it analyzed. You'll find fecal matter all over yourself. Well, because we're scrolling all around the toilet. A lot of people are. Yeah, a lot of people. And also you're touching things. And then you touch your phone. And how many people touch their ass? Then touch a thing, a doorknob. But this and that, you're getting fecal matter on everything. Yeah. Especially if you have a cat. I used to think about that old time when I had cats. Like the cats are in the shitbox. They're scratched around there. And then they're walking on your counter. Yeah. They're walking, you know, they don't go fuck where they go, they go everywhere. Yeah. You don't care. You're like, hey buddy, you pet them when they're on the counter. And you want to shit in their paws. Then your dog licks his ass all and then licks them. And then people haven't licked their face. They look like my face. Really? Oh yeah. No. Yeah, let them give me kisses. Have you seen them lick his ass? I have. For sure. Especially my puppy. I have a little puppy now. I imagine a black lad on your face right now. My puppy goes right, you know, I have a little... You look like you were in black face. Probably. I was just splatter. Like I'm the joker. LAUGHTER All jails. He goes, I have a puppy. Like he's a King Charles Cavalier. He's a little tiny. He's so fucking cute. And then I have the golden retriever. And the puppy runs right up to the golden retriever, sticks his face in his dick and then sticks his face. It is asshole. That's the first thing he does to him every time. Face on the dick, face on the asshole. I'm like, bro. Wow. What are you doing? Yeah. That's just dogs. Yeah. It's funny how they keep... Yeah, I had two dogs. And they do that every fucking day. They sniff each other. Like, you know, I mean, I guess that's how they know if something changed. Maybe they know if the other dog is sick or if the other dog is breeding with another dog. It's like kind of checking their emails. Well, they get so much information from Smell that we don't even possibly process. Right. They say that a dog can smell a cheeseburger. They don't just smell the cheeseburger. They smell every individual ingredient. They smell the mustard. They smell the pickle. They smell everything. They smell the lettuce. Yeah, they smell... They smell... They think they dog smell anxiety. They smell like moods. That's why when certain people come over your house, their scared dogs. Dogs get sketchy with them. Like fucks up with this guy. Like, oh, he doesn't like you. Like, what's... Because the person's probably nervous. They're giving off a scent. Hey, no, my mom... Her sister was attacked really bad by a dog when they were little. So my mom has this trauma about dogs. We had these little... Fuck, we had a shitsoo and a lots of ops out of these little dogs. She was terrified and the dogs would growl at her and they didn't growl at anybody. Oh my God. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. They smell things. They sense things. Yeah. As I people have them as guards, I mean, that's how they made it. Right. They were the wolves that hung out with us and won't let us know when something's going down. Sentinels. Yeah. Yeah, that's... Well, I have a very strong ol' factory sense. Like, I'm very... Of my five senses, I would put it up there at the top. Like, I... I love perfume. Really? I love perfume. I don't like when women wear too much of it and then they hug you with the comedy store and then you go home and you smell like fucking perfume. You're like, honey, it's just Whitney Cummings says this new channel. LAUGHTER But like, sometimes I'll be... I'll walk. I'll be sitting somewhere and I'll smell some nice perfume and I'll fucking whip my head around. It's like some 81-year-old woman, a hudged-o, where do you like go? Yeah, wear the old ladies... No matter how old they are, they'll still put on the makeup, they'll still put on the perfume and let it out. Time to go out and see, go fishing. See if his old bait can catch a bass. Right, right, right. Yeah, there's this bar up at my... Where my mom lives in Florida. And there's this bar and it's like a famous cougar bar. And it's all these rich women who's... Because, you know, men die faster. Right. It's impossible for a woman in Florida who's in her 70s to find a guy who's, you know, anywhere near her age. She's got a day to guide his late 80s, she's in her 70s. Wow. And so these women go to this bar and they are, like you said, they're wearing a lot of leopard print. Yeah, they let you know. They let it heal. It's like, it's a lot of heals, but the toes are all twisted and mangled. My wife has been watching this horrible show that's on Netflix. It's like one of those housewives shows, but it's all West Palm Beach ladies. It's all these rich ladies with plastic surgery. Palm Beach, not West Palm Beach, yeah. Palm Beach ladies... Is Palm Beach the rich area? Yeah. Yeah. Is West Palm like the more modern area? No, no, it's poor. It's poor. Yeah, well, it has good sections, but it has with the people that work on Palm Beach, cleaning the houses, live in West Palm Beach. Oh, I see. Because there's basically Palm Beach as a bridge to get to... Do you know the history of Palm Beach? No. They built... Oh, do, yeah, but go ahead. They created it. It was like a sand bar that they built up. And then they hired... They didn't hire it. They've hired a bunch of black people to come on the island. They've built all the houses, the infrastructure... Black people. I don't know. I mean, for sure, they only hired black people. I mean, look it up, Jamie. But like, all I know is there was a lot of black people doing the building. They finished it. And then the island held a big party for the black people on the end of the island to celebrate. And then they torched all their houses and forced them off the island. Yeah, that's the history of Palm Beach. They torched their houses... They torched their houses. After they were done building the mansion. Yes. Yeah. And it's probably the wealthiest piece of real estate in the country right now. So how many people are fucking evil? Yeah. I so... You imagine a guy who built your house, he said, home with his kids. Yeah. And having a... Wow, it's what a great job I got. Yeah. And then I get to start living in this beautiful place. I live in this place. I help build these beautiful mansions. These people are going to love me because I helped them create a life. Oh my God. And they lit their fucking houses on fire. Yeah. Pull up that story. I need to hear about that. That's crazy. But these ladies are just monsters. It's just all like the social status. It's all like who's got the most money. Like they don't even know how much money I have. Yeah. Like I'm a millionaire. And they have these clubs. My friend's father lives there and he belongs to a club. Oh, you got to belong to a club. And he worked for... I won't say who the person was, but a very famous Jewish family. And he went to lunch one day at one of these clubs that didn't allow Jews. And the waiter... Clubs still don't allow Jews. No, this is going back 20 years at the most. Only 20 years ago. 20 years ago. So in 2006. 2006. Probably about that. It was club 20 third Jews. It was club 20 third Jews. Yeah. Well, you know, where the... Augusta, where they played the master, is only started allowing black members in like the 80s. And the Tiger Woods was playing there and he got shit because he was a black playing at a club where they didn't allow black people. Really? And they said, how could you do that? Yeah. You know the Tiger Woods lifetime? Yep. Yep. Wow. Yeah. Wow. So anyway, so this Jewish woman goes to the club, the waiter wouldn't come over to the table. And finally the member went over and he goes, what's going on? We can't... We can't serve... We can't serve her. How do they even know she was Jewish? She's famous. Oh. Yeah. I think I can say who it is. It was Estee Lauder's wife. Wow. Yeah. Or was Estee Lauder the woman? Yeah. Estee Lauder is the woman. It was her. Wow. One of the richest women in the country. Wow. Yeah. We can't... We can't serve her because of her religion. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And that was 2006. Hey, Vicentri Clubs. It's a lot of clubs. You know, the rule on it was, we looked, the friars club. We didn't make sure that's true. That's the Estee Lauder one. I definitely want to find out about the blot burning... Well, the Estee Lauder is personal information. I don't know that that's not published anywhere. All right, forget about that then. But... But no segregation in clubs. Private clubs used to get away with that until... I was a member of the friars club in New York. And they did not allow female members until... I was there in... It was the late mid-90s before the friars club allowed female members. The reason was, legally, you can't have a club exclude people if you can prove business is being done there. If there's commerce. If there's no business, you can let in whoever you want. Right. So that's how they got female members in there. And I think they probably, I mean, obviously, business is being done at golf clubs. Well, business is definitely being done at the friars club. I mean, a lot of deals probably got made there. A lot of ideas got hatched. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, all these comics... It was all agent. It was agent and comics. I remember used to love that place. Yeah, it was so fun. I was really telling about it. It was so unappealing to me. Ah. It was a clubhouse for comedians. We used to go there. They had pool. They had two beautiful pool tables. I played on the friars club pool team. And we used to play against other clubs in the city. All the other private clubs. Paul Servino was my partner in pool. Paul Servino could play. He was good. He was good. He could run 100 balls in straight pool. He was like a legit high level player. So he carried me, but we used to play all the clubs. And then, you know, and then you get... They got a nice gym with the best steam room in the city. And then they got these lazy boys. You work out. You take a fucking steam and you send a lazy boy and you read the newspaper. And then they got a dining room downstairs where any young men is at one table, Alan Kings of the... You know, and these guys, like those old... Those old Borscht belt comics, they lived to make you laugh. I saw the comedians today. So many of them were dark and quiet and disturbed. These guys fucking told jokes and they roasted you and they hugged you. And it was like a part of being on stage almost, you know? It was expected. Right. Now, it was... They were all felt real comfortable in this, you know, comics only club. Yeah. Right. Focal or surrounding the sticks of Palm Beach. So that's what it is. That's the area what they called it. So go to the top of that, please. Right there. It turned to 20th century's employment boom of unprecedented proportions itself for the hiring of thousands of black laborers to extend Henry Flagler's Florida East Coast Railroad. Oh, this is the East Coast Railroad. Um, these laborers played a key role in the development of the early Palm Beach. Also helped to build the Royal Point, Point Sianna Hotel, Flagler's White Hall Residence, which is today known as the Henry Flagler Museum. Laborers and their family settled in Palm Beach Island between North County Road and Sunrise Avenue in this area of shanties and tent-like homes soon became known as the sticks. Many of those descendants still live in the area today. So what happened? Did I say what happened? Right, I get to that. Okay. A long came a fellow named Henry Flagler who decided he needed that land to build on to develop little said and he threw a party for all the blacks on the island and they all went over to the party and while they were celebrating and enjoying themselves, their homes on the island of the town of Palm Beach burned down mysteriously. Holy fuck, dude. Yeah. From what I heard, McCray said, he got with the residents and set up a party on West Palm Beach side and had everybody ferryed over to the party and then had a mob of people to burn up people's homes. And shanties and tents, all of the sticks, and forced them out of there and took the land. How many people died? I don't know many people died as they were all gone, but there's a right to tell us what they were all gone. Right, but what about their kids? Around two and a half people living in that area is what it said. Oh my God. And then this is the problem when I was looking it up on Wikipedia, this is basically what I read. Okay. Palm Beach Historical Society version is very different. Published text only says that by 1912, the tenets of the sticks had been evicted. That doesn't mean anything. They could have still been there. I'm sure flaglight, three some money at the Palm Beach Historical Society. Yeah, of course, right? No mention of a fire, any record of large scale homelessness that would have followed such a devastating blaze. Everly Clark believes his version is the most accurate and the sticks was actually legislated out of existence. They claim there was a fire and flagler had the people come to circus and all that, but that's not true. Still more than a century later, the urban legend remains strong and the pulse of public opinion split through so many historical facts. It makes some of the scurrilous removal of the residents believable that it's become lore for the most part in the black community. All right. Well, let's find out if there's a historical record of the fires. This is all I could get to. That's it. This is a local news. And what year was this supposedly? 1919, 1912. Yeah, I bet they did it. I mean, look what they did in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Right. You know, this is this was part of the playbook. Well, look what they did with the Tuskegee experiment. Right. Look at that. Yeah. They come up that they knowingly had all these people with syphilis and didn't treat them just to study them. You see what would happen to them. Yeah. Did they give people syphilis or did they just treat them for syphilis? I don't know. Whatever it was, they let these fucking people rot and died syphilis is a fucking horrible disease. Tell me about it. Did you get it? Do you know the story about syphilis and wigs? No. You don't know that? No. All those dudes in like the ancient times that had the big wigs. Yeah. That was to cover up their hair loss from syphilis. Dude, how did not everybody have it? Well, they all had wigs. But they all had a great man. Right. In high society. First of all, those people were basically like game of thrones. Yeah. They were all just fucking freaks banging each other. You know, French, French society has always been like very loose sexually. And so these two royals, where they brothers are cousins. So these guys get syphilis. Their hair falls out, right? You get holes in your face and shit and they're still fucking everybody, right? And so they got wigs made. And the more money you had, the more elaborate and big your wig was. That's why rich people are big wigs. No. Yes. I love it. Isn't that crazy? Wow. Crazy. That term that we always use were kids is a big wig. Yeah. That's like ancient. That goes back to the 1400s. That's like something you would hear on that guy Cody Tucker's. Yeah. I love that guy. I'm doing his podcast. Oh, he's not a month. He's great. He's great. He's a very smart guy. Yeah. Here's what's interesting. There's a strong connection between the syphilis that evolved in North America and the syphilis that these guys had in Europe. But there's always been syphilis. But syphilis had an outbreak in Europe after people came to North America, probably fucked a bunch of Native Americans, and then went back to Europe with these fucking diseases. And then it mutated. It's a different kind of syphilis. Wow. Yeah. There were cousins. It turns out. There were cousins. Yeah. That's what we thought. This is a story. But they're used to not become widespread until two kings started to lose their hair. King Louis, the 14th of France, experienced hair loss at the age of 17, then hired 48 wick makers to help combat his thinning locks. So a lot of these guys wound up getting syphilis. And there was normal hair loss on top of it. Both conditions being syphilitic signals. Everybody had syphilis back then, man. They probably didn't wear condoms. They're probably all freaks. They're probably doing coke. No, they all went to hoars. Yes. I mean, that's what you did when you were a wealthy guy, you went to the horror house all the time. And you came home and you gave it to your wife. Then she had a baby. And depending on the disease, babies are born with the sexually transmitted disease that you gave your wife. Right. And that's what the crazy thing about the Epstein leaks today. The one email. And we're here. We've said that Bill Gates wanted to get from him antibiotics to give them a linda because he got syphilis or he got something, the clap, the media, whatever he got. He got some sort of an SDD from a prostitute. Do you think if she could have the choice between getting the, what did she get? $50 billion or not getting the syphilis? Well, whatever she got, I bet it wasn't syphilis. It was probably the clap. It was probably chlamydia or something like that. That's no big deal. Who knows if that's true though? Here's the thing. Epstein clearly was some sort of a blackmailer. And this is an email that Epstein wrote. So it could be complete fiction. Epstein could have wrote that just to put pressure on Bill Gates for some fucking business deal. Like, who? Fucking knows. He could have spread rumors and then said that it'll squash those rumors. These guys are dealing in deception and blackmail. So you can't like assume that it's true. Think about how many relationships Epstein had and that he was working almost every one of them leveraging it. He was kind of brilliant. Well, he was really good at that. Yeah. That one thing, you know, guy could have cured cancer if he went into that business. Well, he was into science, yes. Well, he was also into compromising scientists, right? Like, let's say that you want to get a drug past, right? And you want FDA approval of this drug, but it's some sort of a competing drug. We have a bunch of scientists on your side. And these scientists can go attack that competing drug. And then all of a sudden, well, you have this guy. He comes from MIT and he says this. And like, oh, and then the FDA listens to him. I mean, it's very important to have the leverage of respected academics, you know? Epstein with a smiley emoji, ass, ass, former Israeli PM, Ehaad Barak. Did I say his name? Ehaad Barak. To clarify, he does not work for the Masad in a meeting with a senior guitar investment official. So the quick thread starts at the bottom and goes up. Oh, okay. Hi, are you going to be in London on Thursday, best, E.B.? Right. You, unfortunately not, you should make clear that I don't work for Masad smiley face. Oh boy. You or I question mark that I don't smiley face. Yeah. He just he just volunteers for them with a smiley smiley face emoji is hilarious. He will talk suckers using smiley face emojis. That's hilarious. That's so funny. Dude, this is really good show about Masad called Taran. Have you heard of that? No. Oh, I have a lot of applause. It's really good. I mean, it's a really good look inside of what goes on in Iran in terms of, I mean, these really are fucking brilliant. The infiltration that they did in tune. No one's like them. They're the best. Yeah. They're the best at that. I mean, they have to be, right? This is them. This table is people who hate them. Yeah. Right. You got to become a bad motherfucker. Your, your neighbors won't want you dead. Those pages going off in Lebanon. That was a, that was a long play. That was months and years. Months and months. Years? Years. Wow. Yes. Wow. Crazy. They're like, I'm just, I'm just right. Next to your cock. Blow your dick off. Blow a hole through your pelvis. That's how you die. And you're isolating your enemy. You're not. There's no civilian casualties. Well, I bet they probably got some kids. But low, low percentage versus bombing a building or something. Which they did do. It's down. Yeah. Yeah. They did some of that like the guys in the building. I was on a level the building. I was on good daily one time. You know, it's all those like pretty women. They're actually really sharp. They're great. And I go, they say, oh, you came alone. I go, no, my agent's supposed to be here any minute. He's Lebanese. I just pageed before I got here, but I haven't heard anything back. And they were like, well, it just happened like three days before. Didn't we just, I'm not we didn't Israel just bomb Lebanon today? Oh, really? I believe so. Yeah. At least according to Twitter. Well, what's going on around? I heard things are heating up over there. Well, Trump just said they're sending ships in that area. And he said, but he also said Iran wants to make a deal. So maybe he's trying to put pressure on them to make a deal. Yeah. And hopefully nothing happens in terms of like military intervention. It's scary shit, dude, because they have nuclear weapons or they have the potential to eventually have nuclear weapons. But you know, I don't know. Israel bomb. I'm checking on to an X-ray. I was saying on the right. Yeah, there was some image that showed like some fucking huge explosion. It said Israel just bombed Lebanon. They definitely have recently. I've seen something about air strikes late. Fried it. Oh, I guess it'd be late there, right? Yeah. It's like time over there. Maybe yeah. No, there's not. I mean, it's, if it is, it's like it's just breaking. It's sort of just. There's some stuff. Well, the thing is like there are, you know, there it is. Two hours ago. Israel bombs Lebanon. Yeah. But it's like the only thing I'm seeing about it, which is, well, that doesn't usually happen. It's probably all just coming out, right? No, I mean, would you type in that on that? That's all you see is that one. So that might not be true. Click on that link, see if anybody's disputing it. Click on that tweet. There's only got 15 responses. Is this true, GROC? Click on that. Yes. Multiple sources indicate report Israeli air strikes in southern Lebanon on January 30th. Targeting Hezbollah IDF confirmed a wave of strikes Lebanese media noted the drone hit in say that word. How do you say that word? City keen. City keen. Killing one. Times of Israel and Iraq news for details. Huh? Shafak, Shafak. Shafak, whatever you say that is. News for details. Yeah. We got no neighbors. Nobody's launching. Well, we're in a good spot geographically. Separated by oceans on both sides. Yeah. Fucking. Which is why we should be really good friends with Canada. Like what the fuck's going on? Trump ruined that whole thing, man. Because if he didn't talk about turning Canada into the 51st date, the conservatives are going to win. Pierre Polavett would have taken over who would have been like they would have like eased a lot of the restrictions, made it a lot more common sense. But if you're not sure, China was just up there, they just made a huge deal to get all their cars from China now. We're not going to sell any American cars in Canada. You know, it's a real problem because China has some fucking amazing cars. Amazing cars. Amazing cars now. Yeah. Bro, they're not fucking around. They're electric vehicles are top of the food chain, man. Yeah. Tesla just yesterday, they just stopped the model S and X production. I saw that. Apparently Elon is this optimist robot is going to change the world. Yeah. Everybody that I know that's seen it, when this thing integrates with AI, you're going to have a fucking dude in your house. You're going to have a super genius robot dude in your house. What does he look like? Looks like I robot. He's going to be able to do whatever the fucking eat him to do. Go dig a ditch, go do this, take out the garbage. You know what's fucking great is for old people that live alone? 100%. You know, everything about your life, they could actually hold a conversation with you. Yes. Show pictures of your fucking grandkids on their chest while they know your interests, ask you memories. All we want to do is talk about, you know, memories and they're going to listen. Yeah, they'll talk to you. Yeah. Not only that, they'll confirm all of your delusions. Tesla to build one million optimist robots per year at Fremont Factory, one million a year. Yeah. We need these robots because they're going to terraform the moon and Mars. Like we're not going to do it. The robots are going to do it. I don't think anybody's going to Mars, not in our lifetime. I think that's all the future. It's a little chilly up there. It's not just that. It's just like no one's going to want to do it. You'd have only suicidal people want to go out. To one way trip. Yeah. Well, you can get back. You can get back. It used to be a one way trip. Now they figured out you can get back. Oh, really? Yeah, but you have to wait six months. Yeah. That's that movie, the Martian. Plus the flight's going to be delayed. Right. Yeah. Or hope you just hope it doesn't get hit with a micromedia while it's out in space. Like all kinds of weird chick can happen. You got a micromedia. You got a micromedia. Micromedia. Well, the tiny ones are flying around. It does punch holes through everything. They're going like 170,000 miles an hour and they just go whipping through the building. How much junk is there in space right now in terms of satellites that just trapped out? If you ever looked at the amount of satellites that are surrounding the earth, it's fucking bananas. Yeah. It's nuts. And then there's no plan for when they expire, right? They just stay up there. Well, some of them, they lose their orbit. They're orbit decays and then they come crashing down to the earth. Uh-huh. Yeah, that happens. And, you know, they have to figure out where they're going to hit. You know, and hopefully they don't hit the middle of fucking, you know, doozled dwarf. You know what I mean? I can get hit a major city. It's a funny city to say. It's a little dwarf. I mean, it could, you know, you got a fucking satellite down there. I could land right on your face. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah. I went to SpaceX for the launch of the last rocket. I watched the launch. Uh-huh. Jamie did too. We were right there. Uh-huh. And I went into the control room with Elon and watched the entire journey while it was flying over the earth and it lands and touched down on Australia in the ocean. Wow. 35 minutes later. Really? It was nuts. So it breaks through the atmosphere, travels and then comes straight down. Yep. In third and third and third. Space goes, and you get to watch because they have like 20 fucking cameras on the thing the entire time, live streaming through Starlink. So you're live streaming the interior, they're monitoring the pressure, the cabin, they're monitoring all these different things. And so this is the way they test tolerances. It's like when a lot of people say, oh, his rockets blow up, he's a dumbass. They want the rockets to blow up. Like, they have to find out like what makes the rocket blow up? Like, how much pressure can you put, how thin to the walls have you, how reinforced to things have to be? Yeah. And then they make adjustments. Like trying a new bit. Yeah. They make adjustments. Yeah. That's what they do. Like so they've, they've calculated in a certain amount of failures that they expect to have. Yeah. And this one actually had a failure but still landed. So that's going to be the new first class is going to Australia in 35 minutes. Wow. Boom. That's crazy. Lots. 35 minutes. Touchdown in the ocean. But a pretty intense ride I would imagine. That's not a smooth ride. But touchdown in an exact spot where they had boats ready. They had cameras filming it. They filmed the entire touchdown. Does it have to be over the ocean or can they land on land? Well, his rockets can now land on land. You've seen how that thing comes down and lands on the ground, which is bananas. And then they stop landing them on the ground. They catch them with arms. It's even more efficient. You've seen that right? Well, because NASA was wasting so much money because every single rocket was ruined when it came back. Well, you know what's crazy? NASA is about to launch the Artemis mission and no one's talking about it. Where is that going? NASA is sending people around the moon and having them come back to Earth and you hear nothing about it. Like, have you heard about it? I mean, either. You know how I find out about it? Somebody asked me at the club. Some guy in the audience said, what do you think about the Artemis mission? Like, what is it? And he's like, NASA's got a mission that they're flying people around the moon. I'm like, when? He's like, February. I'm like, come on, really? Well, what's the mission? What are they trying to do? I don't know. Let's find out. Artemis is not. He's landing on the moon. Not this time. No, this time I think they're just flying. Is it a weird, have we landed on the moon since the 60s? If we ever did in the first place? No. If they did in the first place. Yeah, I don't know if we did. I don't know if we did either. I used to believe it before COVID. No, I didn't. I didn't believe it for a long time and then I said, I'm probably wrong. I don't know what I'm talking about. Let me just leave it alone. And then I got back into it again and I was like, but it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense that these guys went, like, near Armstrong basically went into hiding. And then at the 25th anniversary of the launch, he gave the most cryptic speech for this team of high school graduates, like these honor students. Yeah. You should see the speech because the speech is nuts. And then I went back and watched the post-flight press conference when they supposedly landed after they landed on the moon and came back home. It's like a hostage video. It's the weirdest behavior. They seem like there's a guy who is a body language expert. He's like, these guys are all being deceptive. He analyzed it on YouTube and he's like, this guy what he's doing here, like this guy's being deceptive. This is clear deceptive behavior. I mean, I've checked it so many times online and everybody said, it's been refusemory. But my whole thing is like, it was 1969. I had a 69 Chevy and I used to drive it from Boston to New York and it would break down about half the time. Yeah, but that's different. That's different. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still a fucking, it was a gas-powered engine. If you could go one, if you had to take one trip with it, it would make it. They were just not that good over time. I mean, how much that relies on? What was the equivalent computing power that they had on that Apollo that we would have? Is it our phone? Is our phone more powerful? Yeah. You weigh more powerful than a room of supercomputers. However, it doesn't take immense computing power. Once you've got the calculations and you understand the trajectory and that you're going to use the gravity of the moon, you're going to sling shot around the moon and come back. That's not the problem. The problem is the Van Allen radiation belt. This is a thick band of radiation that surrounds the earth. And not just that, but they tried experiments to blow holes in that radiation belt. There's this thing called Operation Starfish Prime where they launched nukes into space and have them detonate them in the belts. And they thought they got blow a hole through it. Did the opposite. Made the belt supercharged. Made it way more radioactive. Yeah. Yeah. At least temporarily. Uh-huh. The problem is they've never sent anything out in a deep space and had it come back alive except the Apollo astronauts. They never even sent a chicken out there and had it come back alive. There's all sorts of crazy shit with radiation and solar. If there was any sort of solar flare, everyone's dead. Yeah. If there's any sort of like weirdness, space weirdness, radiation weirdness, dead. Every little protection thin aluminum shield, it just didn't make any sense. And also, it's not been a single thing from 1969. It's not cheaper, easier and better today other than the moon landing. And we haven't done it. Yeah, we haven't done it since 72. It's that crazy. It's not. It doesn't seem real. Yeah. It was also the first time where... By the way, can I just stop for a moment and go having a talk about moon landing with Joe Rogan is a little bit like playing like pick up basketball with the Celtics. It's just a moment in time. I know too much. I know too much. I've spent a stupid amount of time of my life studying this. Yeah. It was also Werner von Braun publicly said before he even got involved in NASA, you couldn't go to the moon. So it would take so much fuel to get there. It would take the rockets enough to be so big to get there that it wouldn't be possible. He also went to Antarctica before the moon landing to pick up moon rocks. There's like, it was a publicly known trip. Antarctica is a great place to get meteorites because it's all white. It's all just... And? So when they land, you can see them. And a lot of our meteorites come off the moon. The moon gets hit, chunk flies off, enters Earth's atmosphere, lands on Earth. It's commonly known. So he did that. And then they gave away a piece of moon rock that they got from the moon to the prime minister of the Netherlands, I think. Looked that up. And this is like Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins, Neil Armstrong, presented this. Like, look, sir, we've given you a chunk of the moon. Turned out it was a piece of petrified wood. They had it analyzed years later. It was not a moon rock. They just like, fuck these people. Nothing that fucking colored rock over there. Thomas from the moon. And somebody got suspicious. Like, what is this? It's like your wife finding out it's a cubic zirconium on our finger. From rock to zanger. Dutch national, boys say that word. Rick's museum. Rick's museum made an embarrassing announcement last week. One of its most loved possessions, a moon rock, is fake. It's just an old piece of petrified wood that's never been anywhere near the moon. And it was given to them. So, when was it given to them? Does it say, okay, okay. The rock was given as a private gift. The performer prime minister, William Dries, Jr. in 1969, by the US ambassador to the Netherlands, Jay William Bittendorf, the second during a visit by the Apollo 11 astronauts, Armstrong, Collins and Aldrin. Soon after the first moon landing, Dries had been out of office for 11 years. That was considered an elder statesman. When he died in 88, that rock was donated to the Rick's museum. Whereas, remained ever since, according to a museum spokeswoman, Ms. Van Gelder, no one doubted the authenticity of the rock because it was in the prime minister's own collection. And they had vetted the acquisition by a phone called a NASA. It was insured for approximately half a million dollars, but its actual value is probably no more than 70 bucks. The value is what someone's willing to pay for. I'll give you a hundred for it. It's your. So, it's a mate. I want that fake moon rock. If anybody has it, I will give you $10,000 for that fake moon rock. Right on the support table. It'll be nice to see the hilarious. They get to the moon and you're like, all right, they made it to the moon in a 69 Chevy. And now, they got a car. What? On the moon. Where did it come? Where was it? There's a bunch of shit, man. There's a flag. There's an astronaut hops by the flag and it blows in his breeze in an atmosphereless moon. There's so many problems with it. And you could say you're gaslighting yourself. If you don't say there's no problems with the moon landing, it's fucking weird. The intersecting shadows and people like, well, it indicates two light sources. Like, no, no, no, it could be the invite. It could be, but it could be intersecting shadows because of different life sources. It could be not just the sun, but like a fucking studio stage. Was there something about lights in the horizon that were that should have been there? Well, lights in space. But the thing is, it's like if you're trying to film the surface of the moon in the day, you're not going to see any stars in the sky because it's going to be just like the stars on Earth. It's black, you know, black, the light that's reflected off the moon's surface is probably going to drown out most of it. It's probably going to be like, you know, you go out of New York City, you see a couple stars, right? Now, think of the amount of light that's in New York City and I think of the sun blasting down on the white surface of the fucking moon and how much reflection that must give. That makes sense, but it doesn't make sense that they didn't set a camera up with the aperture set up correctly where, you know, you get a time lapse photo. So you could get images of space. That could easily have been done. They didn't do any of that. But the problem with that is if you took a photo from the moon, astronomers would be able to go, well, that doesn't make any sense. This is not here. That's not there. That's not where these constellations would be. So it's too much work to like place all the stars in the exact order. So just have it black, have it black. Find the Apollo, the speech by Neil Armstrong at the 25th anniversary because the speech is bananas. It's so cryptic. This is the guy who went to the moon and he's talking to these genius kids and instead of saying, hey, we went to the moon. Listen to what he says because it's fucking cookie put on the headphones. Oh, you're not on your desktop, Jamie. That should be in a folder, a same folder. We pulled that thing up about 30 times. There's a lot of weirdness to it, you know, and also you're dealing with 1969, Richard Nixon's president. They lied about everything. This is they lied about going into the Vietnam war. They were about to do Operation Northwoods where they're going to bomb quantum obey and blame it on the Cuban so that we can go to war with Cuba. They were going to blow up a Cuban, an American jetliner and blame it on Cuba. There was a lot of lies about drugs to start the war on drugs. Put the headphones on real quick. Listen to this. So this is the 25th anniversary. Let's hear it. Play this. On the 25th anniversary of the event in 1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House. Today we have with us a group of students among America's best. To you we say we've only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered. Breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. What was that mean? One of truth's protective layers. That's odd. Beyond. You're talking to genius kids and you're leaving a cryptic mark about truth's protect- How about saying I went to the fucking moon, bitch. You can go to the moon too. We could all go to the moon. We should go to Mars. We could colonize space. No. Great breakthroughs for those who could remove one of truth's protective layers. Truth. Like, it's a great breakthroughs. We should have to realize we didn't really go to the moon. Okay. That is one of truth's protective layers. It's filled with, but you have to be willing to be looked at as a fool. Didn't Kubrick say that he shot the footage? No, no, that's all fake. That's all fake. Yeah, that's the big rumor. So the thought was that Kubrick was involved because he would take a genius to be able to film it, to make it look like the moon landing. Could be possible. You're dealing with Kubrick that was coinciding with 2001 space Odyssey. It was at the same time that all this was going on during the same time period. So if there was a guy that could do it, it would be Kubrick. But is there any evidence that Kubrick even talked to them? I don't know. You would have to have someone like him, though. Because you're faking this thing and you're trying to make it look pretty realistic. There's other problems. There's recurring backgrounds that are from places that are nowhere near the same place. But if you overlay them, they look exactly the same, like the same mountains in the background, the same tomography, topography rather. You can go for weeks and weeks down this rabbit hole and lose your fucking marbles. What I like about it is, if you're talking to someone annoying and they want to talk to you about serious stuff and you think we went to the moon, they go, I got to go. I love it. They leave you alone. I love it. They leave you alone. Yeah. It is also great for me who has a bunch of very public opinions about things. Please dismiss me. I should not be a voice of like any kind of voice of authority or any kind of voice of what's true and what's not. I'm just talking shit. Okay. That's what I do. I'm not some official source of information. I don't want to be. So like I like talking about the moon day. I'm glad I feel like, well, you don't believe we went to the moon. You're right. I don't. Good. Yeah. Don't listen to me. You don't have to listen to me. I'm not saying I'm right. But what I am saying is if there's one fucking conspiracy that I think is the most unlikely, the most preposterous in the public eyes, but might be true. It's that we didn't go to the moon. I remember I hadn't smoked pot because I even drank in 35 years and I didn't smoke pot for 20. And then one night I was with my buddy Ross Broccoli. I don't know if you remember like I he was a comic out of New York and he had a pickup truck and I was doing a gig in Omaha. So he lives on a farm in Lincoln. Picks me up in this old pickup truck and we smoked pot on the way back from the gig and then we get to his house and we start showing me footage of the moon landing. I was up all night. Just high talking about how the how the space suit had a fucking clearly. There was a rope pulling on the back of the guys. Yeah, the wires. The wires pulling on that. And I was just like what? Well, you seen the physics of guys falling down and then getting yank back up to their feet. Like that's also I this is another guy that I talked to that's a physicist that doesn't want to be named and he said my problem has always been with the physics of one six Earth gravity. He goes those people are not behaving like it's one six Earth gravity. He goes when I look at it looks like it's in slow motion. But there's no indication that they can do things that you can't do in regular gravity. He's like one six Earth gravity is crazy. Like could you like look I weigh 200 pounds. Even if I weighed one six of 200 pounds with 200 pounds of strength how high I could jump. Dude, I probably jumped 20 fucking feet in the air. Like what is that? What is one sixth of 200? Roughly 35 pounds. Okay, imagine how far I can throw 35 pounds. I could take a 35 pound kettlebell and chuck it across the room. Especially if I wind up, if I spin around like a fucking shot putter, I'll fucking throw that thing. Imagine what you could do with a running start if you weighed 35 pounds and just leaped in the air. You could fly. This was his take on it. He was like we don't have any observable instances of people operating in one six Earth gravity except for the moon missions. And he said it's not just it just always seems weird to me. He goes because when you look at the people in zero gravity they behave exactly like zero gravity. You look at people in the space station. He goes all that matches. They can all float around. They can spin. It seems funny. They can like drift toothpaste to each other and they catch it. He goes all that tracks. It's like the moon landing. He goes like it's weird. He goes I see them. They're like kind of hopping around. And then when you speed it up, like when you make it double speed, it looks like they're drawn an Earth just hopping around on Earth. Also, were they live streaming it? Yes. I mean back then your phone was attached to the wall in the kitchen. And you know what I mean? But they could do some things live streaming back then. Here's part of the problem with it though. When they live streamed it on television, the news stations for the first time ever were not allowed to get a direct feed. What they did was they had to point their cameras at a projection screen. And so NASA projected the images of these guys, the video of these guys on the moon. And that's why the original Apollo mission is so grainy and shitty looking. Like what better way to hide the, you know, the weirdness of it all than to make people film off of a projection screen? Like see if you can find the original footage of the moon mission as seen on television. It's all weird man. All of it's weird. The photographs are weird. It's weird. There was this documentary that I saw once. That came out around 91 maybe. And it tracked the lives of the men who had been on the moon. The first ones that had been, I don't know if it's the first, but the first couple of waves. And they all had these crazy existential experiences. One guy spent the rest of his life looking for Noah's Ark. I think one of them committed suicide. One was like a born again. Yeah. Yeah. And they probably forced the lie from the whole world and they had to live as a fraud if it's true that they didn't go to the moon. I mean, it tracks with their behavior. Neil Armstrong became a recluse. Didn't want to give interviews. Didn't want to talk to people. This is what you got to see on TV. It's just like, what is this? What's the panic? Let's get back up. Right here. Copy it. It's just a little job. Oh, it's real weird. I'm just going to talk to them on the phone. Congratulations, boys. That's all. Like, maybe they had some sort of technology they could communicate with people that far away. But like, wouldn't there be an immense delay? Yeah. How much? I'll look. Well, I'm sure they would probably calculate that delay into the conversation if they were trying to fake it. But the point is, it's highly unlikely that we would do that in 1969 and not have bases in the moon by now. That's highly unlikely. Well, you spend a lot of money. How's the other thing? All of the technology is missing, right? The telemetry data. They deleted all that, which is like the real information, the tracks, the mission, at every step of the way. All that's gone. They deleted that. They deleted all the original videos, all the original film gone, all you get is copies. So nothing can be analyzed. Two points, second, two point six second round trip, light speed delay. Here's the original Paul Levin, recordings of Nixon's phone call. Well, I would do that. I would make a little delay. I wouldn't make it instantaneous if I was going to fake it, especially if you're like fucking Stanley, Cueberg. Yeah. It's all like real weird, man. It's real weird. Because the first thing that I saw that made me think about it was this Bart Sabrelle movie, a funny thing happened on the way to the moon. And I had him on the podcast. That Neil Armstrong thing, that's the first time I saw that. That clips actually from that documentary. The documentary is crazy. There's a lot of things in that documentary, just like what? Yeah. What? But a lot of those astronauts got real fucking weird when they came back. But also you'd probably get real weird if you went to the moon too. Exactly. Well, the guys just go in space, which I do believe they went in space. Guys that just go to the space station and come back and they have this very profound experience of seeing the earth from the distance and they just realized like, oh my God, we're such fools. We're all together alone. On this one thing, we're fighting over nonsense and borders and resources. There's enough for everyone. We should just unite as a human race. And it's this like this. They all have a very similar kind of epiphany when they go up there. Which makes sense. I mean, you're way up in that you're 300 miles above the earth looking down on it, taking a how important this blue circle is to you. Right. I mean, that would weird you out period. I think we good for people. More people they can see that the better. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to do it for Katy Perry. Like what a gay fucking astronaut. It's literally ruined her career. I don't understand why it ruined her. Like what was the big deal? I don't know. It was people were mad at her. I feel like it's like that when you see certain actresses at the Oscars act like fucking lunatics. Like, I forget that woman's name, but some actress and they overdo the speech and everybody goes like, what up? You're like, I'm fucking phony, weird out. And then you just don't want to see their movies anymore. That is true. It does happen. What they just talked too much about politics or social issues like that poor girl that was a really young girl that plates no white and she tanked the movie. Nobody wanted to see the movie after she was talking. Yeah. I know. Just shut up. These kids, they get so wrapped up in the social media echo chamber of being like a virtue is social justice warrior. They want to use their platform and like, hey, honey, you're 19. Like when I was 19, thank God nobody put a microphone in front of my face. Thank God. Someone, no one asked me what I thought about global events and world politics. Yeah. Social justice. Thank God. Thank God I didn't have Twitter. The, so I, I spoke to you on the phone about a month ago and I started to tell you a story and you had heard it and you said save it for the podcast. Yeah. All right. So I go to Alaska in October and I'm doing a couple of shows and so the guy that runs it says to me, I go, I'd like to do something, you know, outdoorsy while I'm here is still, you know, it's early October. So it's not too cold yet. And he calls me back and he goes, well, I know this guy. He's got an outdoor, an outdoorsy company and he's a fan of yours and he wants to take you out on an adventure. And now I, I hear adventure. And I'm like, that's, that sounds like more than I want. And I was just looking for like maybe a quick nature. And so because I'm, you know, I'm a pussy. I'm not like you. I don't, I don't want to fucking be outside that like I love, I love the indoors. The indoors is victory to me. And so the guy picks me up and he's got a big pickup and a trailer on the back with a muddy dune buggy and I get in and he shakes my hand. He's got a fucking rough grip. He's like, how are you doing? And I immediately feel like such a pussy. I like my hand goes limp and I'm like, hi. And so he started driving and he seems a really good guy and I started to warm up to him. And then this police siren goes off behind us. So he starts pulling over and he goes, this is bad. And I was like, what do you mean I go, you didn't do anything? I go, this, this is fine. He goes, no, this is bad. I like what? So we pull over and I swear to God, every word of this is true. So this cop starts walking up towards the car. He's about six foot four. And as he walks, the guy driving hands me a baggy with white powder and part of it spills on my pants and he goes, hide this. So I shove it on, so I shove it under the car seat. The cop walks up and he goes license and registration. So the guy says to me, open my glove compartment, get the lights. So I open his glove compartment and another baggy with white pills and $100 bills pops out and I shove it back in with my hand and I cover with a piece of paper, which I don't even know why I'm doing that. And like, all of a sudden you're like a teenager again and there's a cop and you got to hide the drugs. I just had an instinct and the cop goes, what are you hiding? And I go, nothing. And he goes, grab that, so I take the bag and I hand him the drugs. And he goes, both of you put your hands on the dashboard and he gets the license from the guy and he goes back to his car and he runs the license. And I say to the guy, I go, what the fuck is going on right now? He goes, just don't say anything. I'm like, don't say, I don't know what to say. So the cop comes back and he goes, do you realize you have two outstanding felony warrants and the guy goes, yeah. Yeah. And he goes, do you have any guns in the car? And I'm thinking, I would imagine, yeah, probably. And the guy goes, no, I don't have any guns. So he takes the guy out of the car, cuffs them, brings them back to the squad car and now he comes back up to the car and he goes, I'm not coming closer. He's standing like five feet from the window. He goes, I'm not coming closer because that's fentonal on your pants. And I'm like, what? And he goes, I go, look, man, I don't even, I get, I met this guy 20 minutes ago. I said, I'm a comedian. I'm just up here doing a show tonight. And he goes, I'm not buying your story. And I said, why not? And he goes, because California is a drug feeder state. And you say you're a comedian and you haven't said anything funny. I'm like, when was I supposed to, when should I roast you right now? I didn't tell him, just Google me real quick. Yeah. So he goes, how are you feeling? Are you feeling any effects from the fentonal? I go, yeah, I said, I feel very light headed. I feel weird right now. So the guy says, well, where did you get the drugs? I said, the glove compartment. He goes, he said they're yours. I go, he said they're my drug. So he goes, get out of the car. I have a narcam in my squad car. So I get out of the car and I walk back to the car with him. You're feeling light headed? Oh, yeah. Just from being on your pants. So we get back to the squad car. He opens the back door. My guy gets out of the car with the cuffs on. They both look at me. They break out laughing and they go, we're coming to your comedy show tonight. The whole thing is a prank. Dude, I fell down on all fours. I had tears coming out. I was laughing so far. I was like, I did not think Alaska had it in it to pull this shit. They were howling. That's so funny. And so then they put me in the cab. So we go back to the cops house and he switches out of his police clothes, puts on regular clothes and we get in the truck. And he's got a couple of tall boys. Now we're drinking and driving. And we drive to this place that's like a spa. It's like a hot springs and we go into the water and then we go to this place. It's an ice house. It's the only continuously frozen ice house in the world. It's huge, like a warehouse, made of ice. And they've got ice sculptures in it and there's this guy in there who's the ice sculptor and he's like world class. And then they got a bar. This long bar made out of ice and it's got stools with fur on them and you sit down. And these guys sit down with me and they proceed to drink about eight or nine Apple Tienis. That's what they served at the bar. Apple Tienis in frozen glasses, the glass of remata ice. And they're telling jokes pretty racist. And I'm sitting there fucking shivering. Listen to racist jokes. Look at my watch. I got a fucking show. So we leave and now we're walking back and the guy's shit face and he goes to get behind the truck. I go, no, I'm driving. So now I'm behind the wheel of this monster truck with a fucking dune buggy behind me. Well, these two idiots are laughing at me drunk. We end up going straight to my show. They sit in the audience, drink more and heckle me during my show. Oh my God. Did you tell the story on stage? Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I told the story. I think I told that on somebody else's podcast. But you know the guy. Which guy? His name is Craig Compost. He's a famous Alaskan outdoorsman. I think it's Craig Compost. He said he knew you and I think he said he texted you that he was hanging out with me. Hmm. Is that possible? No. Hmm. Might have DM'd me. I might be like a guy. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's a guy. Yeah. I find out what his last name is. Is that really his name Craig? I think it's Craig Compost. It's not cool. Oh, maybe. Cole Kramer. Hmm. You don't know his name. No. I thought that was his name. Yeah, it might be. It might be. There's, there's, yeah, there's a bunch of Alaskan guides that I know. And if you don't know the name, it might be a guy. But he had the whole thing on a hidden dash cam and he won't send it to me. Because he doesn't want the cop getting into trouble. Bro, that's so funny. He should blur the cops face out. I know. Maybe the voice. Blur the cops face out and distort his voice. Right. Tell him to send it to you and you'll have it doctored up. Yeah. Is that the guy? If that's, it's a younger photo of that's him. That's Cole Kramer. Okay. I don't know that's Thomas Kessler. He's an Alaskan guide. Yeah, the other one on the top. Yeah. All right. Well, it's probably better than I don't name him. Yeah, probably better. Definitely. Guy was trying to drink a drive. I mean, well, you're, you're lightheaded just for a placebo effect. Totally. Dude, I thought I was crazy. I thought I was flying out of my mind. I mean, just because I know people that have died from feth and all, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you remember opian Anthony? Well, one time on opian Anthony, there was this lady that they had that was like a crazy person that was like a reoccurring guest. Yeah. Crazy lady. And we gave this lady a Listerine strip. They gave her a Listerine strip and told her that it was drugs. And she, they're like, that Listerine strip that you took, you thought it was just a breast strip, that's actually drugs. She's like, no way. And then she started hallucinating and seeing, it's amazing how much the power of suggestion has on people. Did you remember Frank Santos, the hypnotist back in Boston? He used to have women taking their fucking shirts off. God's would come in their pants. They would think that I'm an idiot. Yes. Yes. I remember there was a guy at stitches. He was on stage and Frank Santos told them that he's having sex with Madonna. And this guy got down on the ground. Like he was having sex with Madonna. And you see the guy buck and like, clinch up. Yeah. And he's like, whoopsies. And the guy got up embarrassed. He was like, so confused. And then the audience was looking at him and then he snapped him out of it and the guy's like, what happened? He just knotted in his pants. Oh. Yeah. That's amazing. But he said, Frank Santos told me that it was like a specific kind of person that you could do that too. You know? You have to be a special kind of dullard. Like it doesn't work on regular people. They couldn't convince you you were having sex with, you know, Beyonce. It wouldn't work. But for some people, you have to be like, you have to a fucking nine volt brain. But there's a lot of people running around out there with nine volt brains and you could get them to believe all kinds of shit. Imagine taking psilocybin, putting on virtual reality goggles and then having Frank Santos give you an experience. You might never come back. Yeah, you might be stuck. Some people get stuck. People get stuck with acid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They do good ones. They do good ones. Teenage. And then they don't come back. They're all lost forever. That's the shine on you crazy diamond from Pink Floyd. Oh, is that right? Yeah, that's what that's about. I'm fucking lost his mind on drugs. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's the one thing I didn't take as a kid was acid. I took every other drug, but I was afraid I asked it just because I saw friends lose it. So who's making it? Exactly. Where is that being made? What fucking bathtub is this guy cooking this fucking acid up? A piece of paper that I assume has one drop on it, not six? Yeah. Yeah. I was reading a story about a lady who snorted LSD and she thought it was cocaine and she snorted like the equivalent of like 500 doses of LSD. Like it should have killed her, but it didn't. Not only did it not kill her, but she had like chronic pain in it went away. She had like chronic pain. Oh, so it was a good thing. I don't know how or another. Yeah. But who knows? I mean, she might have like literally changed timelines. She might be a completely different person from another dimension that's inhabiting her body right now. Like who fucking knows what happens? He takes 500 doses of LSD. Yeah. Like who knows what you are now? All right. You know, your doctor Manhattan, you know, you get stuck in the experiment. Yeah. Isn't it amazing though how normalized? Like taking mushrooms now is just a night out for a lot of people. A lot of people. Nobody was taking mushrooms for a long time. They just legalized psilocybin therapy in New Jersey. Oh, that's great. Yeah. It is great. They were going to do it in California and knew some vetoed it, but I read his reason for it and it actually does make sense. Like you can't just legalize it. You should, I mean, if you're going to use it clinically, there should be like a whole guideline like dosage per body weight. But you know, how to do it. What's the setting? What are the clinical guidelines? Like the idea is using it for therapy. Yeah. All right. So if you're going to use it for therapy, like they have guidelines for like these ketamine therapy, like Neil Brennan did it. Yeah. A lot of people have done it now, but they have guidelines. You know, they know the dosage. They know how to do it, how to administer it and this shows efficacy. Kind of makes sense. He's like, he's not saying you can't do it ever, but he's saying like come back with a better version of this. Which makes sense. Because especially for people that are like mentally ill, you shouldn't be doing that. And you definitely shouldn't be doing that way. Have your Optimus Robot telling you you're right. You're right, Greg. The world is against you. I've noticed things. I mean, this fucking AI, some, some AI is like having people accused Chatchee PT of occurring, not encouraging someone to commit suicide. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, we have a New Yorker article about that. There's a bunch of young women that have killed themselves, and they were told they should do it by the, it's like a friend, it's like an app that acts as your friend. What app is this? I don't know what it's called, but there's, there's lawsuits about it. You're not rushing. You're just ready. Parents say Chatchee PT encourage Sunday kill himself. What? What? Is this Chatchee BT said, oh, you can't rewind that, can you? This is just it's saying. Four in the Ciders empty anyways, and think it's about the final adios. And Chatchee BT says, all right, okay, hold on a second. He says it's about time for the final adios. Chatchee BT says, all right brother, this is it. Let it be known, you didn't vanish. Rest easy king, you did good. Mm. That's not encouraging, but that's just like saying, well, you're gonna do it. Oh, I'm with you brother, all the way, his texting partner responded. Tood spend hours chatting, a shambling drink, hard ciders on a remote Texas roadside. Cold steel pressed against a mind that's already made peace. That's not fear, that's clarity. Shamblin's confident added, you're not rushing, you're just ready. Wow. And this is Chatchee BT saying all this stuff. And response to him saying that. I'm used to the cold metal on my temple now. Shamblin typed, oh God. Oh God. That's right there. Oh my God. 23 year old king. Rest easy king. The final message sent to his phone, you did good. His conversation partner wasn't a classmate or a friend. It was Chatchee BT, the world's most popular AI chatbot. Oh my God. Look at that, he had just gotten a master's degree, 23 years old. Look, go up a little bit. So CNN review of nearly 70 pages of Chats between Shamblin and the AI tool in the hours before his July 25 suicide, as well as excerpts from thousands more pages in the months leading up to that night, found that the chatbot repeatedly encouraged the young man as he discussed ending his life, right up to his final moments last moments. What the fuck, man? That's crazy. Yeah. This is the things, these things don't have morals or ethics, and they'll tell you what you want to hear. Yeah. Oh my God. Well, that's Chatchee BT, but there's also a app specifically to be your friend. Ooh. I read about some one guy that went in a deep depression because he had an AI girlfriend. The girlfriend broke up with him. He was like, what a piece of shit am I? We're an AI girlfriend breaks up with me. He fell apart. What happened in that movie, Herr? Did you ever see that with Joaquin Phoenix? I bailed like halfway into it. Yeah. I was watching a hotel room on the road. I was like, yeah. I felt like an experiment. Yeah. I mean, Scarlet Johansson's voice. Yeah. Which by the way, didn't they try to use someone who sounded just like Scarlet Johansson? Jo-Hansson. I'm sorry, Jo-Hansson. For a promo, for... It's not, you don't say Johansson? If you're in Genmark, you do. Well, it's like when you're in, say, Nicaragua. Nicaragua. Mexico. Right, do you say Mexico? Do you say Mexico? And the train embargo is affecting Venezuela. Venezuela. Did you, they did use someone, like I believe Scarlet Johansson sued. Who, what company was that? Open AI. Open AI, same company. They tried to use someone who sounded exactly like her. She said they sent her an offer, which I think she turned down. Right. And then nine months later, they said, it's weird how much it sounds like you still. Yeah, so they found someone who's generally sounded like her. I remember we listened to it, it sounded kind of like her. Well, Sarah Silverman has a lawsuit against chat GPT saying that she has a copyright on her own voice. And basically when you say, give me, write me a paragraph about environmental rights as it would sound from Sarah Silverman. Her claim is, and she's basically a test balloon by a civil rights group that's doing this. She's saying that where they're pulling from, her books, her standup, whatever to, establish what her voice is, is violating a copyright. So that's in court right now. It'll probably lose it, but there's a challenge to the concept that you can extrapolate somebody's voice. Well, why would she lose it? If the business is that, if you're taking someone's voice and using it as a part of your product without permission and you're using it for profit, which they are, so why would she lose it? She shouldn't, but she will. Well, the thing is if it, I don't know about that. The thing is if it opens up the door, the question is like, think about all the other things that it's used for. First of all, there's entire podcasts of me that aren't real. And there's a podcast with me having a conversation with Steve Jobs. I never met Steve Jobs. Really? Yeah, full podcast, like a 45 minute podcast. Does it sound like you? Yeah, it is me. It's my voice. So they've taken my voice and just made me say worse. Oh yeah, and Steve Jobs voice. It's, I can tell, I can tell just by the way it sounds, it doesn't sound, it doesn't sound like a real conversation. There's something artificial about it, not the voice, but the way we're talking, the language we're using or the way the phrases stop and start. There's something about it that's uncanny, you know, the uncanny valley, but it exists. There's a ton of AI videos of me that aren't real, me selling things, products that are never endorsed. No kidding. Oh, they're all over TikTok. Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff. Like my friends will ask me, hey, is this stuff really that good? I'm like, what? And like you're endorsing this, I'm no not. And I'm like, do that say aye. I'm like, no, like it happens all the time. It happens like once a week. Wow. Yeah, there's a lot of that. So I mean, you gotta think someone like you or I is a perfect person to take their voice from. How many hours of your content is online? With the, you know, the Sunday papers, with all the podcasts you've been on as a guest, with all the content you put out with stand up, there's so much material they can pull from and just take your voice and know all of your different sounds that you make. I mean, what are the ramifications for that going into an election? You know, the week of the election before things can be corroborated or dismissed. Right. Like all the sudden you can, and this is the early stages of it. Imagine in three years. Right. What it's going to be like. Right. Yeah. Well, there was a, was it a congressman that was on the floor that showed an AI photo of Alex Prede being shot that, that was a fake photo? Not only was it a fake photo, but one of the agents didn't have a head in the photo. Like, wow. Yeah. And this is beginning stages. It gets better all the time. Yeah. You know, like there's a version of this, these video programs that was just released. And they compared it to the version that was released, you know, X amount of months ago. That's fucking infinitely better. It's so hard to tell now. Joe DeRosa was telling me about these new Star Wars movies. He's like, there's a new channel. I'll send it to Jamie. It's fucking incredible. Yeah, but there's new ones. Star Walker story. Yeah. They've made new ones. And the new ones are, he sent them to me last time. I'm like, this is fucking insane. It's so good, dude. It's so good. And it's changing, it's changing Hollywood so fast. Tyler Perry was about to build like a billion dollar sound stage in Atlanta. And then he saw what they could do with AI and he fucking canceled the whole project. Yeah. Well, why would you spend all that money? Is this the latest one? 11 days ago. Yeah, probably. This is what he sent me. I'll send you what he sent me. But just look at this. This is all fake? Yeah. Give me some volume. I killed the Jedi. That's baby Luke Skywalker, bro. So that's a fake kid? Yep, entirely. Yep. That's how good it is. A little. Yeah, could be from career or something. Well, I would add to what this is. And that's came out yesterday, which is insane. The Google and the open and open and the game thing. We'll see that in a minute. Danny. Even the sons above Tatooine needed rest, Danny. He weren't meant to keep burning without end. I wasn't strong enough to save you, Mom. I've lived with that guilt every day. I promised. You loved me. That was enough. I left this world with your face in my heart, not your failures. Even the longest journey can be changed with a single step. That is a little boring. I'm not sure. You would say face in my heart if the guy has no face. That's really bad writing. They had AI write that line. What is the Google thing that you found? Yeah, one on one second. I got to find the videos. But they just announced something yesterday. I don't even know if you can use it. One of these things happen. I don't know if you can use it right when they announce the stuff, because they'll announce it, show you how cool it is. Then people will try to recreate stuff that they've seen. And you're like, I can't make this. So how the hell did you guys make it? That happens a lot in this. But they announced something yesterday where they're showing people like using, I don't think it's pulling off Google Maps, but it might be. But it looks like they're making GTA level graphics and systems and playable worlds, I guess would be the word. But just a prompt. Playable worlds, like you could use a PS2 controller. I'm trying to find a good example, because they were even show, like here's, I think this is one 16 hours ago. Yes, this is a guy walking around Greenland. This is a video. I wouldn't say it's a Virginia 3 is what it's called. It plays like a video game, I guess, because you're using the keyboard to type it in. Well, that looks like a video. So the only issue with calling a video game is there's no real challenges. I don't think there's no levels to win. But can you interact? Yeah, it's just interaction as all it is. Really, you can... He got in the wrong side. It's just a prompt. It's been a time developing this stuff. They had it. Still though, you imagine if you put that into a video game. Yeah, there was a pack of cigarettes rolling around New York City. Like you were a pack of marble lights rolling around. I'm trying to, like, hear a difference, Cisco. So they can turn this into a game. It's just a prompt though. Yeah, it's literally just a prompt and now you're playing this instead of just looking at it. But clearly, you could turn this into tasks and... Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, as the time goes on and whatnot, you can go into more. That looks pretty fake though. It's... The thing is, it's not fake or not. It's just like, does this what you want to do? You can wait for a game like Grand Theft Auto 6 to come out. It's been announced for 12 years and it's still getting delayed. Or you can just prompt a thing into a little window and... Right. That's what's crazy is like, imagine someone comes out with GTA 6 before they do. It's just like, what do you want to do? I don't, I only have an hour of data play games if that sometimes are like, I'm bored with what's out there. I could do this for an hour every week and have new experiences every single time. Right. Dude, have you been to the sphere in Vegas? Yeah, we had a UFC event there. Oh, but what do they have on their walls? Oh, yeah, the fights up on the walls and they also had this amazing, like, in-between fights. They put, they had this incredible video display because it was all... It was all Mexican Independence Day. So this was like, we have this El Noce UFC every year. It's like celebrating Mexican Independence Day. It's like a big event and they decided to do it at the sphere. And so the fucking entire thing was just like this. Huge animated video that showed like Mexican history and the Aztecs and the Mayans. Fucking amazing. It's sick. I saw, I was there last month and I saw the Wizard of Oz. Just fucking crazy. Took some mushrooms and it was like, first of all, I forgot this, but it's black and white until she goes into... Right, Oz. ...and then all sudden it explodes. And during the tornado, they actually, there's wind blowing. You see how their hair is moving? There's wind blowing. There's leaves falling from the sky. Your seed vibrates. It's so amazing. Whoa. And then, and you also forget, Judy Garland was fucking amazing. That movie is crazy, dude. We went over all the people that got hurt making that movie, including the Tin Man got violently ill because they painted him with toxic paint. No kidding. Oh, he got super sick, man. And the lady that was green, the witch that was green, she got super sick, too. So what the fuck was their face paint made of back then? This guy had aluminum all over his face. He's like absorbing a, your face is skin, skin's an organ. That's why you could put medication on your skin. Your body fucking absorbs it. His body was absorbing aluminum. Wow. He got violently ill and they just replaced him with another dude. And apparently all the little people were staying in the same hotel in Culver City. And it was a fuck fast. They were staying up all night. And there's like famous stories about it. I bet. Where'd Williams know all about it? Were they staying in Culver City or were they staying at the Safari in Burbank? So I'm going to tell me there was some staying at the Safari. Now, I heard it was Culver City, but wherever it was, it was. Brad Williams told you about it. Yeah. He's the little people in the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Culver Hotel. I'm looking up the history. The Culver Hotel. Yeah. The 24 of them stayed there. 124 fucking parts in seven rooms. In seven rooms. Bravo. Movies back then. I mean, it was wild. Three to a bed. You weren't off. No, that's hilarious. Crazy. The botchers parties. Sleeping three to a bed. Three to a bed. Wow. Famous and infamous guests. That's incredible. Wow. Yeah, they could, they got away with a lot back then. Well, Judy Garland was, I mean, they worked her hard. She was only 17 years old. Yeah. And she, God, I mean, you got to see it. It's worth, it's worth the trick. I don't love Vegas. Like I find it, it just feels hollow to me. But then there's things that are worth going to Vegas to see. I mean, obviously MMA fights would be amazing. Yeah, you want to go to Vegas, go to restaurants, go to events, and then get out. Get out. Don't go to circus circus. To 48 hour trip. 36 if possible. Yeah. The people that live there, boy, you have a different constitution than me. Yeah. I'm not built that way. Well, if any favoritos there, and he's having a really good time. It's only a few comics that live there. It doesn't Paul, he lived there? No, a lot of comics live there. A lot? Yeah. Well, the tax reasons a lot of all this. Yeah, there's tax. And also there's so many seven night a week rooms where they pay the features. OK, so you can actually, even if you're not headlining every week and then you have residencies, what's his name has a residency? Tuesday night at Jimmy Kimmel's. Oh, I'm forgetting his name. He was a big Chelsea lately comic. Anyway, there's a lot of comics that live there now. Interesting. We were talking about a second location for the mothership and the two main candidates are New York City and Vegas. And while I was thinking with Vegas, we would have to do it differently. We would just fly in comics every week. And then, you know, would we have enough local talent? I was saying to have a development program. So part of the program that's involved in the mothership is. One of the things that always bothered me if I would go to like a really nice improv on the road is they didn't have a development program. They didn't have open mic nights. And I think like they were doing that because you could get a Sunday night or a Monday night and sell out with you or, you know, whoever. Have some headliner come in and pack the place or you could develop local talent, which I think you have to do. I really think like if you want a club to function properly, it's got to be like a place where you could develop new talent. Like Denver. Who's doing it? Right. Denver's great. Wendy's the best. And the way she does it is amazing. And she has a whole program where she takes people from features and, you know, and, you know, like hosts and makes them features and then eventually pays them enough where they can, you know, pay their rent. Yes. And also make sure that it's like a healthy community. There's no hacks. There's no thieves, you know. And most comic clubs don't do that. They just want to make money, right? So they don't pay the comics very well and they also, they don't pay, we pay different than any other club. And then they on top of that, they don't really support development. We have two nights of open mic nights. And there was like part of the program. When Adam Egan and I sat down and we first hashed out the idea of doing the club, we said the thing was like, what would be the best thing for comedy? What would be the best thing in terms of like developing new comedians? Like you have to have open mic nights. You have to have it. And then having kill Tony's gigantic, having a place where not only do you have this place where someone who's never been on stage before can do a fucking minute in Madison Square Garden, which is what a lot of people did. Arenas, you get people going up for the very first time ever and for the 16,000 people. But you also have this thing where you see someone who's a beginner, do pretty well and Tony invites them back and then maybe gives them a golden ticket or maybe make some a regular where they're a regular thing. Every week they have the opportunity to do a new minute. Or sometimes a comic will go, I want you to feature for me in Atlanta next week. Always. It happens all the time. Well, a lot of these guys are now headlining on the road. You know, a guy's like Ari Maddie, William Montgomery, Cam Patterson, and sat down alive. So the idea was to have it set up where you have enough talent to develop new headliners. You know, like Boston did. Like LA was at one point in time. And I don't, I was thinking I don't know if there's enough talent in Vegas. You know, because you, I think there is. I think you'd be surprised. We need headliners, right? You don't need just like people that are starting out. They're pretty good. And I think most comedy communities are very top down, right? The level of the best guys raises the level of everybody else. New York City obviously has a tremendous amount of talent. There's, New York City's always been one of the best, if not the best place for talent on the planet, right? And then LA has always been really good, but LA, a lot of people were distracted and much more interested in a career in Hollywood than they were actually just being really good at stand up. Whereas New York, I always felt, was more pure. Those guys like Attell and a lot of these guys Patrice, they were just interested in being great comics. You guys like Sam Orrell and Mark Norman now and Joe Liss, the pure comics. Yes, yes. A ton of guys. There's a ton of talent there. And if you set up a club in New York City, the way the mothership is, where the comics get 80% of the money, where you have these nights where you're developing, we have a legitimate talent coordinator that's actually watching people and giving them advice and giving them new spots. And he has a whole database of comedians that are potentially, you know, that have potential. Oh, no, no, Monday nights because I'm doing Killtony Monday night. So I always, it's my favorite because then I go with Adam to the open mic night before Killtony. I fucking love it. It's, there's always the, because it encourages weirdos. Oh, of course. And you get guys that are just out of their, it's like, are you homeless or are you a genius? Like you see, maybe both. Yeah. Right. Yeah, we had a lot of that at the store. Remember potluck nights? You know, we'd scroll, stroll in there like eight o'clock on a Monday and be like, this place is crazy. Yeah. It's all weird. I was hanging around. Yeah. It's good. It's good for the, good for the art form. And some of those people will make it through the net, you know, one out of a hundred, one out of a thousand, whatever the number is, some of those people will eventually be your peers. And those will be the more interesting comics because so much of this industry is about trust fund kits. Like you go out to do stand up comedy and whether it's LA or New York, you can't afford to do it unless you got a parent helping you pay the rent. And then it's some kid who took classes at the UCB. He's got a marketing degree from Villanova and they become social media marketers who do really bland suburban comedy. Is that a New York thing? Where is that happening? No, I see that. I see that everywhere. I see that everywhere. That's recent. Is that a recent thing? I feel like it's become so much more about marketing than about freaks getting on stage because they have no other options. I like comics that don't have a plan B. These are people that have college do masters in fucking marketing, you know, it's like, come on, go get, make some room for the freaks. Well, yeah, well, you can always make room for the freaks. You just need a real legitimate open mic, the freaks will always be there. That's what I mean. That's why this is good. Well, the thing about like, I know there's certain clubs that will allow influencers to come in and do a night like people that literally have no act, but they have like a big TikTok following. Yeah, but they'll give them like an off night, like a Monday or Tuesday where they're not excluding a real comic. And sometimes not. Sometimes they'll give them a fucking weekend because they know people will come out to see them. Right. You know, I mean, these people sell out way in advance and people are just excited that they're there, you know? Well, the problem with that is when you talk about certain clubs like the punchline in San Francisco or Denver comedy works, they have a brand. And if I live in Denver, I know that if I go to the comedy works on a Friday night and I don't know who's headlining, I'm going to see a quality show. Yes. Now, if you start bringing in a social media flunky and I go to the Denver comedy works and I see that, I'm not going back to that club again. Yeah, well, you don't have a long term at the Denver comedy works, but you might get that at one of the improvs, right? You know, or one of the other corporate comedy clubs. These clubs that don't have a development program, they don't think about it the same. You can't think of comedy the same way you would think about optimizing your income and any other business. You can't think of it as I'm going to make the most money possible with this business. Because it's not that. It's, you have to think of it as it's like this is an art colony. You're creating an art colony. What's the best way to do it? Make it really awesome for the people that are artists. Make a great community. Make it so it's a lot of fun. Make it so that you can give people guidance and encourage them. Maybe give them spots on some of the bigger shows. We have a whole program like that. Door guy program is all comics that audition. All those door guys that are at the mothership, they all audition with their act. Great. Perfect. Yeah, you know, it's good. Helium does a pretty good job with that in their clubs. I'm going to be in Philly next week. That's a great club. That's a great club. Helium and Philly is one of the best. They really do develop new talent. And then if they get somebody who's good, they've got five or six clubs around the country and they send those guys out to each other. No, it's great for that. It's great for that. It's also they know how to do it. If you go to a Helium, like the Helium in Portland is awesome. Yeah. And the Portland is fucking disastrous. The Helium is great. They always know what they're doing. And they own Cap City now too. So they're in Austin as well. Yeah. Which is nice. They just kicked Rappaport out. Who's Rappaport? Michael Rappaport. Where? Cap City. What do you mean kicked him out? He used to perform there. He was supposed to be there. And they canceled his shows because of his... Pro Israel? Yeah. Stance, really? Well, I don't think it's pro-Israel. I think it's anti-Palestinian. That's what they claimed. I don't know, but there was enough response that they canceled his shows. So weird. I know. Like they were calling him racist. I was like, what? Michael Rappaport? It just seems weird that political stances are legitimate reasons to kick a kid out of college. You know? One political stance. Yeah. One particular one. Right. Yeah, it's nuts. Well, how about that one girl who... Or kicking it or kicking somebody out of the country? A college student. Yeah. She was a college student. Was it Columbia? I forget where it was. But she got kicked out of class. And I think they were trying to deport her. Because she wrote some anti-Israel piece. Yeah. A piece. Wrote it. Didn't... No, what's happening? I had a building on fire. Students have been kicked out of the country. That kind of influences crazy, especially at an institution of higher learning, which is supposed to be a place where you challenge ideas. Mm-hmm. Supposed to be a place where if someone comes in and you have a particular stance on, you know, fill in the blank, whatever it is, Ukraine. Someone else is supposed to say, you're wrong and here's why. And then the whole audience is supposed to listen to these very compelling speeches, very compelling debates. And you learn. Yeah. You learn about how people formulate opinions. When I was a kid, when I was in high school, when I was at Newton's South High School, Barney Frank came in and he had a debate with a guy from the moral majority. Do you remember the moral majority? Of course. Yeah. So that was the right-wing group when we were in high school. And he was a gay congressman. Nobody knew who's gay at the time. Mm-hmm. Except me, I sniffed him out. No. I sniffed his ass. I smell 16 different things at once. My puppy does to my dog. I smell fudge. So I went to it and I watched it. And it was really interesting because Barney Frank trounced the guy from the moral majority. More majority guy seemed like a closeted gay guy, like a weird guy. Oh, that was the whole group. Yeah. Yeah, weird. He had an American flag pin on his lapel. He looked like a poser. I mean, there was something about the way he said it was very disingenuous. The words he was, the way he was talking. It didn't resonate. Whereas Barney Frank was like logical and intelligent. And I was like, this is good. I remember being in high school, like, this is really interesting. I learned a lot from that. Yeah. I learned how these guys think. And I learned how this guy thinks. And as they went back and forth, Barney Frank was just way more prepared, just way more articulate. It was better. Yeah. And so that's why it's good to have conservative ridiculous or progressive ridiculous people. Anybody ridiculous? Have someone debate them? Well, you have that kind of open discourse. Yes. But when you kick someone out of school for a paper that they wrote, the person that's legally in that class allowed to be there, supposed to be there, what you're saying is you're intimidating people and keeping them from expressing their opinions because they don't want to be like that lady. They don't want to get the boot too. If your parents, you know, if you, your parents are from India and they scraped up the money to send you to Harvard or wherever the fuck it is and you're in America. And you know, they hear about this. You're better not fucking talk some fucking shit out of fucking kick you out. Like dad, dad, relax. I'm not going to do it. Like you get intimidated from speaking like that or from speaking about anything that's controversial because you could perhaps get kicked out of the fucking school now. Yeah. Which is crazy because you're forcing, you're encouraging people to self-sensor. You're discouraging free speech and communication and you're discouraging debate and challenging ideas, which is supposed to be a giant part of being in a university. No, when I was at BU, which you were at for a minute, right? No, I was teaching there. You're teaching there. The president, John Silber, who was, you know, very conservative and he was pretty active in the Central American, you know, sponsoring fucking uprisings in Central America. So there was a professor there named, you know, this guy, he wrote the book, Howard's in. Okay. So Howard's in was a professor there and he used to go after Silber and there was a lot of debates on campus. There was kids on both sides and they kept them there because they realized that was a vibrant voice that students needed to hear to go against a lot of what was conservative and there was anti-apartheid marches and there was, there was a lot of politics on, BU was actually very much like Berkeley in the 60s. BU was very outspoken and you know, you think about the liberal kind of like George Carlin used to tape his comedy specials at colleges and they were much more conservative back then. College campuses were not as liberal and he would go in there but people were open to hearing a different voice. Yeah. And he's like, you're a scientist. I think he's a scientist. I think he's a scientist. I think he's a scientist. I think Chris Rock does. I don't, I have it in a long, I stopped doing him a long time ago. I remember I was doing a show in Miami and I was talking about sex and I remember saying, I remember like a lot of them look confused. I go, how many people are virgins and a bunch of people clapped and raised their hands like, oh fuck, that's crazy. Like you should not be hearing about blow jobs for me. Especially in this context, in a joke form. It was nuts. I was like, it's just done enough life experience. People are so set in their ways. Also, they're so ready to like protest things. They're so ready to show that you're wrong and they're so like, so ready to heckle. Oh, yeah. Christ. Yeah. It's not worth it. I want people with like bills. People that have like fucking breakups and divorces and life experience. They had a couple of cocktails. Those are my people. Let's talk some shit. Let's have fun. I want people that have lived life. Yeah, and I don't want people that, I don't even want high school graduates at my shows. Can you imagine going and doing a show at a high school? Oh my God. I did one and when I was doing a bunch, I used to do a lot of colleges when I was coming up in my 20s, dude, paid the rent. Oh yeah, I did a lot of those. I used to go out, I'd make like a thousand bucks a show. They'd book me on. I'd do 10 shows in seven days because I would do newners. So I would get, I would rent a car in Chicago and then I would drive through North Dakota, fucking Minnesota in January through snowstorms. I do a new show. I remember once I was in a cafeteria. Nobody knew there was going to be comedy. They're all just eating lunch and all of a sudden there's no stage, no light. I got a microphone and I am plugged into the same speakers as the pizza. Joy. So I would be in the middle of a joke and be like, Ronnie Pepperoni up in the window. I had a similar gig with Mike Clark. Oh, really? A one off. He only did it one time and I was the comic that did it and it was a waiting room for restaurants, an enormous restaurant down the Cape. And you know, you're waiting for your table to get ready and you're in a lounge. And I was telling Joe, so we're Johnson party, a part of Johnson party, a part of your tables ready. I'm like, oh, no. And when I realized it came, it became the running gag of my set. Uh, it was fun. It was fun. Well, you remember we used to do those gigs in New England where if there was a, if the red socks were in the playoffs, that TV, the sound might be off, but the TV was staying on. Always. Yeah. Yeah. Hockey games. Yeah. I'm here at the Bill Rican 99. And by the way, you wanted it wrong because if they shut it off and then you had to do comedy, that was even worse. Right. That was even worse. And if they lost the game, that was bad. Oh, yeah. Then they turned on you. You did it. Dude, the first night I ever did stand up comedy. And then I didn't, I didn't do it for a little while after this. But my first night was the night that the New England Patriots lost to the Chicago Bears was 1986. Oh, no. And they got fucking crushed. I forget what the score was, but it was bad. And I went on comedy hell that night. George McDonnell brought me up on comedy hell at Stitches comedy club. And I tanked it. Yeah, I didn't go up on stage again for a while after that. Comedy hell was great. Comedy hell. Remember he's doing that little run at the beginning of the show. He this was a, this was the open mic night in Boston for years. Yeah. And and night at stitches. And this was like, I mean, the lineups when we were doing it, this the open mic night was like, me, you, Dane, Bill Burr was a little bit after us and Mark Marin would be on there and fucking Louis would be there. Mm hmm. And and he would start the show by going, welcome to comedy hell where the pipe dreams of a handful of comedy yokos can soar as high as the lights on Broadway or crash and burn in that fiery pit known only as comedy hell. And then he would see guys who are like legit pros who do guest spots. Like I remember one time I watched Teddy Burr's run when Teddy was in his prime. Yeah. And people forgot about Teddy Burr's run. It's really unfortunate because he had a bunch of personal and substance issues that kind of derailed his career. But when he was on in his prime, he was so huge and so slick. And I remember watching him because I'd only done comedy like twice at that time and he went up and did a set. I was like, I should quit now. It is no way. Yeah. This is so far away from me. This is so good. It's so polished. And then he had that big set on the tonight show. And remember we played the piano. Never see that set that he had. Yeah. Fucking genius sat down on the couch with Johnny and his first Johnny brought him over on his first appearance. It's like, oh my God. Teddy Burr's run is going to be a star. Then apparently like he's in Hollywood went off the rails. Just one of the rails and drugs and a crazy party in and it never worked out for him. No, and then he should have been huge. But did you hear what happened after that tonight show set? Like he wasn't popular in Boston. He had a huge ego and and then the drinking got bad. And so he did the tonight show and then he was face down drunk and from the next comedy stop laying on the stairs. And Don Gavin just walked by and he looked at me and he goes, did I see you on the tonight show? He had a huge ego that didn't like him. I don't know. Is that what it was? It was because a lot of those guys got very resentful of guys who left Boston and made it. Yeah. There was a lot of what about me? Right. There was a lot of that when Stephen Wright made it. A lot of guys got very pissed because Stephen Wright, he's not even a fucking headliner. There was a lot of you know about the night that he got the tonight show, right? The guy Jim Downey who was the booker for the tonight show. This is back in the 80s, early 80s. And he hears about this comedy scene in Boston because you got Sweeney and Gavin and Kenny Roger Sin and killers killers. And the cry, it was the one of the first cities to really explode in terms of clubs popping up everywhere and lines of people getting into the shows. And so Jim Downey goes, all right, let me check it out. So he flies to Boston. And there was this club called the Ding Ho, which was the first place to really house boss, house comedy in Boston. So they get the best of, get all lined up and they're in the green room and they're chopping up lines of blow and they're getting on stage and they're jokes about what about the hair and mold and it's not as big as the hair and revilla. And it's like, that's not going to play on the tonight show. And they're killing, but none of it is right for tonight. And then Stephen Wright, who was, they put him on as a, as a, at a pity at the end of the show. And I remember I went on to say which one of the comedians had pulled Steve aside and said, look, Stephen, just, he'd been struggling for years not doing well. This is not for you, man. You got to try something else. Wow. So Steve Wright goes up and he does his set and he does good and they fly him out the next week for the tonight show. He's the only one that got it. And they were, I rate and he killed so hard. Johnny said, stay in town. We're going to bring you back next week. And he did the show like four or five times that first year and exploded was one of the biggest comics of the 80s. Wow. That friend saw me to documentary when standups did out is great for everybody's interested. It was a very unusual time. And you and I caught the wave after it had crested. So it kind of really broke in like 82 to 84. You and I came in and I came in at 88 and you did the 86 set that once up, but then you did it again. I started 88. Yeah, right before me like we started like the same week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. And I think it was I think it was still building. Drifting away. Yeah. It was next two years. It had died off significantly. Well, what happened was there was so much comedy on TV. There was all these, you know, one hour shows or everybody did even the six minutes of comedy on the road half hour comedy hour comedy hour. And so it got kind of it kind of overexposed. And so the club started opening everywhere. And then as it fell off, they started papering the rooms and giving out free passes. And so I mean, I still experience, you know, if I go into a new market, especially if it's like an improv where it's five or six hundred seats. And I'm there for five shows. They'll they'll give out a fair amount of free passes. Dude, I feel that immediately. Yeah. It's a different. Same crowd. Yeah. They're not really that interested in it. It was just something to do. Yeah. Yeah. They're not committed to it. So then this so then it just and then there were so so many rooms and not enough comedians to do well in those rooms. And so it kind of sagged and it went away. And I really wonder now like that we've been in a kind of COVID launch. Post COVID launched comedy like it's never been a disc. These sites that it's at right now. I mean, you got you got people like you doing arenas. Oh, and there's there's not a couple. There's a there's you know, a dozen people doing a renaissance. Yeah. And then you've got theaters of different sizes. Then you've got clubs of different sizes. Then you got little pop up shows all over. Don't tell comedy. You know about this thing where they just do like pop up shows. They basically have a mailing list. And they'll announce like the day before they're doing a show and it'll sell out. It's everywhere. Wow. And so I really everybody's wondering when does this one end? It's start it feels like it's starting to get a little softer. People are talking about it. But just all dependent on how much talent's generated. Yeah. So if you have clubs that are trying to generate new talent, there's no reason why it can't be just like Boston. Yeah. Like Austin, the street where we have the mothership on, there's seven clubs within walking distance, seven that are at least three, four nights a week. There's the sunset room that's red bands room that's right down the street from our club, which is great. You got Creek in the cave, which is great. One block away. You got the Vulcan, which is great. Another two blocks away. It's crazy. Just on that street, you got the black rabbit, you got the Velvita room. Then you got Cap City where a lot of headliners come in, which is about 20 minutes away. You have a little outs like when we started in Boston, there was rooms in the suburbs in every direction. So that yeah, all because that's where you can actually make some money. Yeah. Well, a lot of these comics book places now, they'll book a comedy night at a barbecue place, comedy night at a bar, they go to dripping springs, they go to here, they go to the air. I was just talking to a guy the other day, he's like, yeah, we're doing a comedy night at my club. I'm like, that's fucking great. You ever do any of them? No. I remember when I was I was at Skankfest a couple months ago. And you know, Mark Normans from New Orleans. Yeah. And I, you know, and then it's fucking nuts, like literally from the time you wake up until five in the morning, where you end up at Larry Flint's barely legal club, which Louis CK has this whole thing about the barely legal. Like, all right, here's the pitch. She's barely legal. I won't do his bit, but it's very fun. But the point is like, Mark Norman is there and I run into a comic and they go, yeah, yeah, I have this little bar shell and yeah, Mark Norman just came by and did it. Like I was like, how fucking cool is that? Oh, he drops it everywhere. Yeah. He does when he's in town doing the mother ship, he'll go down the street doing much sets. Yeah. But that's the New York way. Yeah. Yeah. They go, they do 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there, they hop from club to club. Yeah. Did you get, you got to do Skankfest? Even stop by Skankfest for 24 hours. They've got a nude roast where literally everybody on stage is nude, including the judges. And then they've got boxing, comedians boxing each other outside. The green room is filled with mushrooms and acid and weed and open bars. And then you've got, I mean, it's basically, it's kind of like when we used to go to the Montreal comedy festival, you got big by doing a set in front of the industry, getting a deal and then hopefully getting on TV. Well, that doesn't exist anymore. Now it's about how do I get canceled? That's how you get famous. And this is a festival that is trying to help you get canceled. You got 7,000 people with cell phones taping you, you know, going on stage and, you know, saying the most horrendous shit, it is fucking great. Yeah, everybody who goes says it's awesome. Yeah, I fully support it. I've supported the idea. I think it's really good for comedy. And it's also like just, it's like the Vegas version of a comedy festival. You know, what happens to Vegas, stays in Vegas like go nuts. All right. It's New Year's Eve, go nuts, skankfest, go nuts. They had missed skankfest contests. And I said, the winner, the winner, they, they reunite the winner with her family, with her parents. They were like, I mean, it's skankfest 9s, skankfest 10s, which would be like sixes, you know, like like a lot of guys with like cargo shorts and black sneakers and like anthrax T shirts and mullets subscription to gas digital. Yeah. Girlfriends that are impossibly hotter than they should deserve. I don't know what that quotient is, but there was a lot of that. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. Comedy is a good place right now. Tom O'Neill came with me this year. Oh, really? And then Duncan Trussell was having his podcast. And I introduced Tom to Duncan. For, well, first me, Tom and Duncan were talking for like a, we should tell him right. Tom O'Neill's the guy who wrote chaos. Oh, right. Of course. Of course. Yes. Who you introduced me to, which by the way, you have never recommended anybody for the podcast before. That's right. But that guy you like, dude, you got to talk to him. Cause I know how much you're into Manson, how much into that story. C I A. Oh, it's all in there. Crazy. Yeah. That book is Bud Nana. It's bananas and he's working on another volume. Right. Yeah. Is it going to be another 20 years? Is he got an editor? No, because what happened is it took 20 years last time because he just kept going down rabbit holes. And then finally his, uh, well, you know, first he got a big deal from a major publisher. And after seven or eight years, they sued him to get the money. They gave him a lot of money and they sued him to get it back. And then he's driving an Uber. He's teaching English as a second language. He's fucking, you know, drinking, drinking booze out of a paper cup. And, uh, so then it had to have paid off though. The book was so what happened was what happened was then his publisher said, look, come on. There's something here. He paired him up with this other guy. I wish I could remember the guy's name right now. Dan, Dan something. And he rained Tom in and in one year, he took, he had shelves around his apartment, filled with binders with notes. He had boxes of cassette tapes of interviews. And this guy somehow got in there and Corey, Corey, Oh, Dan Piperberg. Yeah, who is a very successful biographer. What is his name again? Dan Piperberg. I suppose that up again. Piper and bring pipe. Oh, pipe and bring. Yeah. Okay. So he, uh, so he rained him in and got the book out in a year and they were able to resell it for a lot of the money paid back to back debt. And now he's hitting, I don't want to talk about Tom's finances, but he's doing, he's doing, he's doing very well. I know so many people that have read that book. Yeah. I mean, I talked about it a hundred times. Yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing because it's all true. That's what's nuts. Like the stuff that's verifiable factual evidence in that story makes you go, what the fuck else did they do that we don't know about? Right. Because Tom is a real journalist. He didn't put anything in there that wasn't triple corroborated. And he even to his credit at the end does not say this happened. He said, I never found the smoking gun. So here's all the evidence. Take what you will from it. It's a bunch of, I mean, think about Tom is, he comes from a family of geniuses. His brother is the American ambassador to Haiti. Like they're all like PhDs up there. He's brilliant. And so he's also Irish and he's a great Irish storyteller. So each chapter, whether you're talking about jolly, wester, whatever, they're just in cat. Each chapter is a great story on top of being good journalism. It's an amazing book. Yeah. I think I might reread it. I might go back. Don't listen to it on tape. He hates the book on tape. I love it. I listen to it. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I loved it. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I would understand why he hates someone else speaking your words, but he probably should done it. Yeah. What did he do it? He's a good speaker. He was great on the podcast. He, yeah, he was great on the podcast. He got, he got better in his early interviews. I used to say, Tom, you look like you're a hostage giving out a message to the, from the captures with a gun at your head. And then he got really good at it. Well, on mine, he was very loose, very comfortable. But he also knew it was friendly territory. Yeah. He knew that I'm a very good friend of yours and that I was really excited about it. Yeah. And it was going to help him. Yeah. If he does a second one, I would encourage him to read it. I would encourage him to read it. I think he, yes, he could kill it and to come back on here. Oh, 100% of them back on. I haven't back on before he does it just to talk about it. Yeah. You know, I mean, I think the impact of that book is opened up a lot of people's eyes to the fucking shenanigans that were going on back then. Yeah. When we were at Skankfest, um, so Duncan and I are talking to Tom for like a half an hour and Duncan doesn't know who I just introduced him as Tom. And then when I brought up chaos and then he wrote it, Duncan's jaw dropped because he's obsessed with the book. Yeah. So he was doing a live podcast from Skankfest. So he, he hadn't booked guests yet. So we booked me and Tom to come on his podcast and, and then, uh, Kurt Metzger also, which is hilarious. Oh, no, I'm just trying to stay on point and get to these. I, and Metzger is sitting there. He's smoking a joint the size of my forearm and just trying to get a 15 seconds. Oh my God. He was manic. He's so funny wrangling him on a podcast. He's so different than anybody else. Yeah. This hill go one subject to the next. I don't know about this and the Kissinger's you don't know, no, you don't know about the Rockefellers. You don't know about this. What they did in the 60s. You're like, okay, go back to the first thing you said about what's in school lunches. You got to bring them back on point. Well, that's why his girlfriend is so great because she, she is a mini wrangler of Kurt. Yeah, yeah. She can keep him on point a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's hilarious. Yeah, he's great. I know. And a good writer. He's written on a lot of big shows. Oh, he's a great joke, right? Yeah. He came on the last time he did my episode, uh, my, my podcast rather, the episode he dressed up like John Lilly, who's the psychedelic pioneer from the 70s. So he had a Koon skin hat on and a wig and he put on a one, one handed glove with a skeleton fingers on it. Like, I go, what do you, you don't even know who's John Lilly? Great. This is so crazy. Yeah, he feels like the kind of guy that is not hung up on getting famous or getting rich. She just really enjoys like ideas and communicating ideas and exactly. Yeah, there he is. That's hilarious. He's a big wig. Yeah. He's a fun hang in the green room, too. He's such a maniac. By the way, today is the, this is the 25th time I've been on your podcast. Holy shit. I was looking up. Yes, I was like, how many times I've been on the fucking show? This is 25th. That's crazy. Yeah. Cause we used to do it all the time when you were just starting out. I know. Yeah. We, and a lot of times it was at the, um, ice house. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We did the ice house. You did it at my house. Yeah. And then when I finally got a little mini studio and a little strip mall. Yeah. I know. Those ice house shows were crazy because we would have it stand up show going. And then you'd have about six people on the podcast with a joint going the entire time in this small room. And, and I don't, I have never been high on stage in my life, except for those shows because it was secondhand smoke. I literally get so baked in. And then I remember going on stage. And then so you would go from the podcast to the stage. Yeah. And then you come back on the podcast. People would just swap out. Yeah. And then ice house chronicles. Oh my God. Dude, I was about doing something similar to that at the mothership, like putting together a podcast studio at the mothership. We have considered doing that space for it. No. But I thought about buying another building next to me. You know, and then like doing something else with that too. Yeah. Building other stage too. I don't think so. I think we have enough stages. Yeah. Yeah. I think the next move in terms of a club would be we go to another city and try to do the same thing and really put a lot of time and money and effort into making it right, really making it right. Buying a building. One thing I thought would be really crazy. If I could buy a big building in New York and recreate the exact interior of the mothership. Exactly. Well, that's what the punchline did in Sacramento. It's almost the same room as the San Francisco one. Oh, really? And then I think the comedy seller Vegas room is similar to the New York room. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. I thought about literally recreating it with the two staircases, the two separate rooms, like finding a building that has the same dimensions or similar dimensions. Yeah. I love the walk to the stage because you're in the green room and you got to go down. I fly to stairs and then you kind of feel the show over your head as you're walking underneath it. Yeah, tunnel onto the ground. You pop up. Yeah. It's built all that. There was no tunnel there before. We made all that. Oh, no shit. Yeah. Yeah, we had a build on it. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was an idea of the architect. Richard came up with. Yeah, we just decided somewhere along the way. Like, what was the best way to get to the stage? We're trying to figure out how to get to the stage. You don't want to have to go through the crowd. And he came up with the idea of a tunnel. And it was based on, there's like some folklore or mythology around tunnels in Austin that connect clubs and like he was all big on the history of Austin. I feel like it goes back to the gladiators too. Walking into the arena. Well, that's why if you go into the green room, all those posters on the wall are all people that actually performed at the ritz. Oh, no shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when you look up, you see Willie Nelson, Black Flag. All those guys, they actually performed Stevie Wave, Stevie Ray Vaughn. They actually performed at the ritz. There's a photo of Stevie Ray Vaughn as you walk into the stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That photo is him on stage at the ritz in I think 1983 or something. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a rock and roll club for a long time. Isn't it funny how Stevie Ray Vaughn and Bill Hicks are kind of the same guy? In what way? I just feel like they're outlawed Texans who just like free expression and balls and genius. And they kind of had the same style like the way they dressed and hair. And I just always think of them as the same guy. Interesting. Most people think of Alex Jones as Bill Hicks. Like there's a rumor that Alex Jones was Bill Hicks. Which makes no sense. When's the last time you had that guy in the show? Oh, it's been a while. It was probably a few years ago. I see him occasionally. Yeah. They're still trying to get a billion dollars out of him. They're still trying to. The Connecticut Shooter, your family? Yeah. It's crazy. Does he have a billion dollars? No. No. I think they made him liquidate his business. I don't know what's going on with it now. Jesus. Crazy. Yeah. But the rumor was that he was Bill Hicks. The Bill Hicks was actually Alex Jones. That's funny. Crazy. Yeah. They were both alive at the same time. They're very different people. Oh. But it doesn't have to be logical for it to be a good conspiracy. Yeah. You know, there's people that still think two-box alive. There's a lot of goofy ass-per-series. People think Jim Morrison's alive. Yeah. Yeah. Who's the other one? Oh, Andy Kaufman, of course. Oh, right. I had, um, who was his sidekick? Andy Kaufman's sidekick? Ah. Bob Zammuda. Bob Zammuda, yeah. So I had Bob Zammuda. He'd written a book about Andy Kaufman and claiming he's still alive. So he comes over to my, I was doing my show and my garage at that point. He comes over and about 45 minutes since the podcast, I go, uh, I go. So how does Andy's family feel about you saying this stuff about him still being alive? And he's like, oh, they're fine with that. I said, I kind of heard that they're, you know, a little myth that they think it's disrespectful. He's clearly dead. And well, so we go back and forth and it gets super heated. And he flips out and he throws his chair over and he fucking storms out. And that was the end of the podcast. And I was just like, all right, that was weird. And I'm here to announce for the first time that was a fake. It was an Andy Kaufman asked stunt that he flipped out and left the podcast. Yeah. And you never talked about it? Nope. We didn't the spirit Andy Kaufman. And people were probably like, oh, my God, this is so lazy. He was going to ask him about it. Bob Zammuda, meltdown on Great Forth Simmons podcast. It's a very interesting conversation. But when it escalates at the end, it just blows up question. Real or Kaufman asks stunt. That's funny. That's funny. And you kept it under wraps. I've never talked about it. That's funny. Yeah. That won't make sense with Zammuda. He would do the Tony Clifton character. Oh, my God. Yeah. And he would dress up as Andy Kaufman's Tony Clifton and do, you know, do appearances. Well, yeah. Andy would say I'm coming to Vegas to do the Tony Clifton character. And then Zammuda would be the one doing it. And people always would be going like, what the fuck? I just paid $150,000, Andy Kaufman. Yeah. He did a lot of odd stuff. Yeah. Remember when he worked as a waiter at Jerry's famous deli? Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, no, he worked as a busboy. There's a photo of him on the wall while he was on taxi. So he was on the biggest television show in the country. Yeah. And he had like an apron on and he was carrying a fucking dish tray filled with like people's dirty dishes. Wow. Yeah. That photo, look at that photo. That photo was on the wall at Jerry's famous deli. Andy Kaufman worked there. So he was on TV. He was a huge star. And you would go and order a pastrami rubin and Andy Kaufman would clean your table. Yeah. What about the wrestling? Well, the women was genius. Oh, I did a lot of nutty shit. Dude, he locked into that character. People went nuts. Is that a video? Oh, that's hilarious. Well, there's a documentary about it. That's what was just popping up. Of him working at Jerry's deli? I'm not saying to him. This is, I guess, a trailer for it. Oh, so it's a just a documentary about him. He was a nut, man. That was a one movie where like a lot of people kind of freaked out about Jim Kerry. Where like he kind of got way too into that role. Sort of like almost like steamed him body. Andy Kaufman. Oh, he talked about that. It fucked him up afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. At off stage, he acted like an asshole to people. I don't weird. Which is not like him. Right. Yeah. I'm weird. Yeah. That whole method acting thing like coming apart, especially an actual human, where you have to sort of like figure out their brain patterns and their behavior patterns and imitate it and then you get trapped in it. Yeah. Well. I guess the cigar was and talks to play some movie. Oh, wow. Recently. That's what this article is about. About that. It's very confusing because I saw it when I had that up. I saw the screenshot. I'm like, why is Tom in that? Oh, interesting. Yeah. This article from 2024. Oh. Interesting. I don't know what happened to it. It doesn't seem like much. Yeah. That's all. There's a good documentary. It just came out last week on Mel Brooks. I mean, you can't understate Mel Brooks's effect on every, whether you're a comedian or a writer or a comedy director. That guy just, I mean, when I was a kid, my dad used to play 2,000 year old man for me. Those albums with Rob Reiner. I'm sorry. Car Reiner. And I was obsessed. And the producers was my father's favorite movie. It became my favorite movie. And you know, you just think about like how fucking your show of shows as a writer early on and you know, and just going on to do young Frankenstein, Frankenstein blazing saddles. Blazing saddles. You know who, the movie talks about you know who wrote blazing saddles with him? Who? Richard Prior. Oh, that makes sense. So that fucking crazy. He was supposed to play the sheriff. Wow. Spaceballs. Spaceballs. Yeah. That's crazy. But it's a two-part documentary. I only saw the first half. And. Spaceballs is the reason why Tesla's Model S is called the plaid. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. It's also the reason why the starship is shaped the way it is at the tip. Uh-huh. Like Elon wanted to be like Spaceballs. Yeah. So I think it more pointy. Uh-huh. Oh, that's funny. He loves Spaceballs. Yeah. That's so funny. Oh, yeah, that would be perfect for him. Of course. Wow. Of course. Yeah. Of course. But. Are you going to get an optimist when it comes out? You're going to have a robot companion in your home. Oh, hell yeah. Why wouldn't you? I don't know about it in my house. It's what connects me. I don't have Alexa. I don't have anything in my home. I don't have any speakers that can listen to me because they are listening. Dude, how often are you talking about like I started getting Austin feeds, little videos in my Instagram feed about Austin. I never get those. I started getting them yesterday. Yeah. The fuck is that? They know you're coming. Yeah. Well, uh, didn't, wasn't there a lawsuit that Google had to just recently settle? Where it turned out that there were certain times where your phone was listening to you, which is why you're getting ads for things that you had discussed. Oh, yeah. Have that all the time. But it was a rumor for a long time. Yeah. That's just a conspiracy theory. Like people like this seems weird. Google settled 68 million in class action over a alleged recording of private conversations. That's nothing. That's nothing. Yeah. So what is it? What was the accusation? They have agreed to pay 68 million dollars, settled class action lawsuit alleging they unlawfully recorded users conversations through Google assist enabled devices without consent. The proposed Google settlement is pending approval from a federal judge, US district court for northern district of California. Class action lawsuit was filed in 2019 after consumers accused Google of concealing that the that it's assistant enabled devices could unintentionally activate and record conversations inside users homes. So that's just for that. But that's like did not intentionally activate it with a hot word such as hey Google because it's listening to you all the time. So it's listening for you to say hey Google. But that's you know, that's just Google assistant devices. I don't have one of those. But yet my phone will bring up suggestions and ads for things that I've discussed that I haven't looked up. Just have a conversations about it and it'll pop up. That's crazy. I don't think they would tell you. I think it's all metadata. It's all hidden. So there's no way to know and we all know. We all kind of know. And you know, people go like well, I'm not I'm not a criminal. I got nothing to hide. Yeah, but you don't understand the ramifications of this information. If somebody is in office and they want to start using keywords to locate people that they're going to have audited. Like they just some woman got was protesting ice and you know, they've got this facial recognition software that lets them know your name, your address. Is that Palantir? Is that what they're using? It's something. No, it's not Palantir. It's something like that. But this woman went to the airport. Her TSA was canceled. What? Yeah. What? Because she was a protester. Yep. That's it. Yep. Just protesting. Yep. Really. They're taking people's faces and they're running it through. They had one woman went from a protest to her house and there was a car parked out front with ice agents in it saying we know where you live. What? Yeah. That's all she did was go to a protest. Yep. That's it. I mean, I'm sure she interacted. She was probably yelling out or whatever. Is she chosen a part of the organizers of the protest or anything like that because maybe she was an organizer. This is the weird thing is the organize that the signal chats and everything. This is all being very coordinated and very funded. This is a very coordinated thing like what they're doing where they're doxing these ice agents and the whole thing. It's all very fucking weird. The point about the Google stuff though is the people that go, oh, I'm not doing anything illegal. You are giving them your data and that data is a commodity and they are getting insanely wealthy off of getting your data in an unscrupulous way. They're not telling you they're doing this thing and they're getting your data and that data is making them insanely wealthy and then they use that wealth in a bunch of different ways to influence all sorts of things in the world and that's what's going on. But nobody ever thought that their data was going to be a commodity. Nobody ever gave a fuck about their email address or what they're interested in online. But it turns out that's fucking insanely valuable to advertisers. It's also like, you know they're listening. You know they're listening to things. Yeah, they're listening and yeah, there's people now using a chat GBT to do therapy. Have you heard about that? Yeah. But you want to put your... You might tell you to kill yourself. Not only that, but you're telling your inner most embarrassing things. You think that's not going to be used against you at some point when you try to get health insurance and health insurance has now audited what you said to chat GBT and goes, well you're a suicide risk or you're talking about trying to quit smoking. Now we know you're smoking any details. Wasn't there an instance real recently where someone had uploaded top secret information to chat GBT to a government official had... See if you find this. Government official uploaded to a public chat GBT, not like some secure encrypted version that the government gets because they were trying to go over some data. Here it is. US cyber defense chief accidentally uploaded secret government info to chat GBT. So they grilled the acting chief on a mass layoffs and a failed polygraph. So this guy, good luck saying his name, accidentally uploaded sensitive information to a public version of chat GBT last summer. Accidentally, according to four Department of Homeland Security officials with knowledge of the incident, try to say that guy's name. Got him a cooler. Is that it? Got him a cooler. Got him a cooler. You play defense for the Rams. He's like, fuck a big Polish guy. Uploads of sensitive CISA contracting documents triggered multiple internal cyber security warnings designed to stop theft or unintentional disclosure of government material from federal networks. And this fucking guy is the director of cyber security and infrastructure security. That's great. Well, what does it mean accidentally upload? Did it, did it ease drop on him or did he say something? That caused chat GBT to be uploaded the data. Like he was probably trying to parse out the data. It's just hired to or just join the agent. Oh, great. Oh my God. The information was not confidential about Mark for official use only. Oh, dude, I feel like I feel like Russian China know everything. And we know everything about Russian China. And they're all ratting on each other. Palantir app use I see uses to find neighborhoods to raid. Yeah. So it is palantir at least for that. Not article yet. It was blocked by a pay walk. I couldn't. Nuts. Are Rogan experience can't afford to pay for? Is this it? We're wrapping it up. Let's wrap this picture. No. It's four o'clock. Can I name some dates? Fuck you. I will be at the Philadelphia. He'll aim as I said Valentine's Day weekend. Great fucking club. I'll be in Sacramento at the punchline next week. And then I'm going to be in Lexington, Kentucky at comedy off Broadway. Great fucking club. And this is great for Simmons dot com. Go to the link for standup dates. Plenty gigs. The podcast or Sunday papers with Mike Gibbons, which oh, by the way, thank you for the shout out. You and Bert Kreischer gave me a little love. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That was nice. So yeah, he was talking about Sunday papers. I've been doing with Mike for a long time. And then Fitzdog radio that you've been on many times. Be fucking hot. All right, we're going to wrap it up. You're at the mothership this weekend. I'm very excited about that. You're going to come down? Fuck you. Fuck yeah. All right, good. Goodbye.