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A-M-P. To try Notion's developer platform today. Notion.com slash AMP. Nate's the one who's going to start, but just to warm up. How's everyone doing today? How are we feeling? Good. Caffeinated, ready to go. It's still morning here in Alaska, so I'm doing morning trivia. It's morning in Alaska. Morning in Alaska. Trivia's always done at nighttime, right? If it's good, yeah. Yeah, exactly. If it's going to be fun. Okay, so nighttime vibes. It's nighttime right now. Yeah. It's like I have a cocktail in here. Yeah. That would be so great. I would love to have a cocktail. Hey, I am Nate Hedgie, and this is Outside In, a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. And today, these two worlds are going to be colliding in one of my favorite formats, random trivia questions. Now, I've said on the show before that I love a good brew pub trivia night, so here we are minus the beers, lots of coffee instead. And today, our Game Master will be none other than producer Felix Poon. Felix, have you ever done this before? Never. No, this is my first time. Are you excited? Do you feel confident about your questions? Oh, I feel confident. I feel confident. But besides myself, we have two other contestants. Justine Parody, Justine, hello. Hi. Hi. And a special guest from our NHPR sister podcast, Civics 101. We've got co-host Hannah McCarthy. Hannah, I know you've done trivia episodes on your show. How are you on environmental topics? Well, we're going to find out. I will. I'll say right at the top here. I tend to get anxious during trivia, and even if I know the answer, I'm not going to know it. So just so everyone knows, I really do know all the answers. Same here, Hannah. Same here. See, I feel like I always do bad at trivia. It's not just like, I just like it. I like seeing other people shine. I'm so excited to see you all shine and to see me fail miserably. Oh. Okay, Felix, take it away. Okay, so I figured I'd warm us all up with a practice question. I'm going to ask the question, and then I'll give you each a chance to make a guess before I tell you the answer. And whoever gets the answer right gets a point. Are you ready? I thought it was practice. This is for points. I was just trying to ease your nerves. You know, it's just a practice, but you get points. So okay. But it counts. For as long as there has been TV, acting US presidents have been appearing on the small screen. But only one commander in chief traveled to an Alaskan glacier to star in a survival skills reality TV show. I think the president looked a little surprised when I pulled out this sort of bloody carcass of half eaten salmon. Who was the president? And I'm going to give each of you a chance to answer this. And then after you each go, I'm going to tell you the answer. So who was the president starting with Hannah? What's your guess? Well, I'm going to go with because this seems very silly. My guess is president Selena Meyers from Veeb. I was going to say it sounded kind of contemporary and if this feels like something that like George W. Bush would do, like I'm out, like went on the big Navy carrier, right? Yes. Like I feel like he might also want to prove his bona fide survival skills. So I'm going to say George W. Bush. Was this supposed to, I thought this was supposed to be a fictional president. No, this is a real president. Oh, well. I thought you were being silly. No, no. I completely misunderstood. I thought you were too. This is why this is a practice round. It's a practice. Okay, Nate. I know this one. This is Barack Obama. The fact that he told me that this was a leftover fish from a bear, I don't know if that was necessary. He could have just left that out. Nate got it right. Hey. So the TV show was called Running Wild with Bear Grills. And apparently it was the White House's idea to have Obama on the show. They were surrounded by like handlers and special forces and someone like who was like kind of hovering over Obama as he was eating the salmon just to make sure like it was okay. There are no parasites in that salmon, right? So even though he ate a bear chewed piece of salmon in the episode, Obama did decline to drink his own urine like Will Ferrell did on a previous episode. It's probably the right choice for the sitting US president. Exactly. All righty, folks. Grab some paper. A pencil. Maybe a pint. Because today on Outside In, producer Felix Poon is piloting a new trivia segment we are calling Natural Selection. Are we calling it Natural Selection, Felix? Did you come up with that? Was that a Taylor Quimby idea? I mean, does anyone have a better name? I like that. Yeah, I think it's covered. Yeah. Okay. Natural Selection. Hey, I'm your host, Nate Hedgie. This is Outside In, a show where curiosity and the natural world collide. And today I am on the trivia hot seat with Justine Paradis and Hannah McCarthy of Civics 101. Hey, y'all. Hi. Hello. I'm your host of Outside In. I am not the Game Master today. Producer Felix Poon is. So please begin. That is I. I am the Game Master. We're doing this today because we're inspired by this voicemail we got from Luke in Virginia who was recently hiking at Camp Roosevelt where he climbed the Kennedy Peak. And it just got me thinking about presidents and the outdoors. I know that Teddy Roosevelt, the very famous outdoorsman president, but I wonder what other things we know about the privileges of presidents and the outdoors. Has any president ever been backpacking, for example? I'd love if Outside In could look into this and figure out other than Teddy, our famous adventurer, who is the most adventuresome president. So I feel like I've seen pictures of like Reagan out in the backwoods and JFK like to sail. You've got George W. Bush cutting brush with a chainsaw. He also is into mountain biking. He used to host a 100 kilometer mountain bike ride for post-911 war vets. Bill Clinton used to jog around the Capitol about three times a week and apparently that was a secret service nightmare. Did he really run to McDonald's or is that just the Saturday Night Live? Does anybody know that one? No. He goes for a run and he runs to McDonald's and then he just like starts eating everybody's food. So you're going to finish these fries? No. You want some? Well, if you're not going to eat them. Those are good. All right. Well, why don't we go further back in time for our first round of trivia questions? You ready for the first question? Yes. Ready? Here we go. Teddy Roosevelt is known for being the conservationist president, but his distant cousin Franklin Delano Roosevelt was also a lover of the outdoors. So here's the first question. FDR built what he called his little white house in Georgia near what kind of natural feature which helped him ease the symptoms of polio? Nate? I'm going to guess hot springs. Some sort of springs. Justine? I think hot springs. Hannah? I'm going to switch it up a little bit. I'm going to say near a lake that he would just sort of ease around in. The answer is hot springs. Oh, yeah. Or as they came to be known in this area, warm springs because the natural mineral water here was at a constant cozy 88 degrees in the town itself where the little white house was built is called Warm Springs, Georgia. Oh, got to keep it cozy. Okay. Moving on to our next question. That Nebraska-born Republican was the only president to assume the two highest offices in the country without actually being elected and the only president to previously serve as a national park ranger. Justine? Oh, this is where I'd look a fool. Oh, I think I'm going to be right there with you, Justine. The national park system wasn't established till around Teddy Roosevelt. We were talking after him, right? Yellowstone was in the 1800s. I think that was the first one. I thought it was the late 1800s that they, well, at least it was established as a, and maybe he was a park ranger before there was a park service. I'm just going to throw, I don't remember which presidents had to assume office after the others were assassinated or stepped down. Ford. All right, Hannah? Gerald Ford. That's all I'm saying. Nate? Yeah, I mean, that was going to be my guest as well was Gerald Ford. I picked that out of the air. Very well, Justine. I'm very impressed. Yeah, Gerald Ford points for everyone. I can't believe that worked. That's crazy. Gerald Ford became vice president after Spiro Agnew stepped down and then he became president once Nixon resigned. Before all of this though, when he was just 23 years old, he was a national park ranger at Yellowstone and he called it one of the greatest summers of his life and was known for feeding grizzly bears in front of tourists. It's a really bad idea. It's a really, really bad idea. It's a terrible, terrible practice. All right, last question on presidents. So we've all probably heard of Camp David, but before Camp David, there was a very rustic presidential retreat called Camp Rapidan in Shenandoah National Park. That former mining engineer and one term president first had the camp built and then donated it to the government on his way out of office during the Great Depression. Hannah. Oh, Herbert Hoover. Nate. Yeah, I was going to say Hoover because he left during the Great Depression. Justine. This is boring because Hoover. Herbert Hoover it is. So the retreat he made in Virginia was sometimes called the Brown House, you know, to get away from the White House or it was also called Camp Hoover. But as I mentioned, Hoover presided over the Great Depression and his love of fishing at Camp Hoover didn't play too well in the public eye. It was sort of the how much time has he spent golfing of the era? Okay. Yeah. Not very popular when he left. Yeah. The Brown House to me sounds almost like it's like a euphemism for like an outhouse. Oh, yeah. I was going to say the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's the outhouse. Okay. Our next trivia category is climate and the environment in the media. I'm going to test your knowledge about movies and TV and this one goes to whoever can shout out the answer first. Scary. Here we go. The filmmakers behind this Academy Award winning movie about climate change struggled to come up with a catchy name, but working titles included The Rising and Too Hot to Handle. What was the movie? An Inconvenient Truth. Yes. Oh, that one, the Academy Award? Wow. It did. It did. It won two. I did not know that. What was the, oh, it won Best Original Song, didn't it? Yeah. Best Original Song and it beat out two songs from the Dream Girls movie that were sung by Beyonce and Jennifer Hudson. Wow. Are you kidding me? Do we have the song? I mean, is it a bop? Yeah. Was it Al Gore singing the song? It was Melissa Etheridge's I Need to Wake Up. So director Davis Guggenheim did these taped interviews with Al Gore. So one day he was asking Gore, like, why is this so hard for people to grasp? And Gore goes on and on. At the end of this long answer, he's like, because it's an inconvenient truth, you know? And that's where the title came from. It was after a long spitball, as it often is. Yeah. Okay, next question. So Don't Look Up is a 2021 satirical Netflix film about a comet as a metaphor for climate change. Which cast member, known for their work in other post-apocalyptic dystopian movies, filmed most of the movie with a broken tooth? Oh. Matthew Chalamet. Cape Land Shep. Meryl Streep. I was just listing everybody in the movies. Leonardo DiCaprio. Who else was in it? Jennifer Lawrence. Jennifer Lawrence. What other dystopian, I guess, the Hunger Games? The Hunger Games. The Hunger Games. Okay. Yeah. So J-Law broke a tooth early in production, but because of COVID restrictions, she said she couldn't get to the dentist until after the film was shot. So they had to fill in her tooth with CGI in post-production. Oh, really? Oh, wow. It's like the comet and her tooth were like the biggest budget items on the post-production. Can you imagine that job? That's your job in post-production? It's like, all right, I got to go through every frame and just fill in this little gap. Well, that's kind of like what they did in the movie Cats, where they added the buttholes for the cats and then they decided to go back and erase all of them. Oh, my God. Cats are like one of the creatures whose butthole is most visible. Absolutely. It's just like, look, check it out. Okay, next question. The epic film Waterworld was set in a future where the polar ice caps have melted and most of the film was shot on boats off the coast of Hawaii. But none of the boats had any what on board, which became a pretty cumbersome logistical problem for filming. Bathrooms. Bathrooms. Yeah. Justine got it first. So anytime someone had to go to the bathroom, they had to be ferried back to shore, which you can imagine slowed down filming. Waterworld incidentally went way, way over budget and was the most expensive movie ever made at the time. See, that's interesting because a plot point in Waterworld is that you have to process and drink your own urine. You'd think that they would have done some real life experience there, but no. All right, this next question is about a famous PSA from the 1970s on TV that came to be known as the Crying Indian ad. It shows a man in buckskin and braids in a feather behind his ear canoeing on a river and then shedding a single tear over the litter and garbage on the river banks. Some people have a deep, abiding respect for the natural beauty that was once this country and some people don't. While the PSA seems to have a pro environmental message, it was made by Keep America Beautiful, which represented among other companies what manufacturer of small disposable paper and plastic cups. Dixie? Yes. Hannah got it first. The Dixie Cup Company. Besides the Dixie Cup Company, Coca-Cola, the American Can Company, and the Owens, Illinois Glass Company formed the Keep America Beautiful organization that was behind the so-called Crying Indian ad. It was an early version of putting the blame on consumers instead of companies. Wow, that was like a carbon footprint moment, pre-carbon footprint. People start pollution. People can stop it. By the way, the actor who played the so-called Crying Indian wasn't even indigenous. I said Pixie. Is it Dixie Cup? Dixie cups, yeah. Yeah. I got it wrong. Yeah, Dixie. Pixie is a better name than Dixie because they're small. I think that you're onto something. Because of Dixie. Yeah. Surprised that one survived. Yeah, I was going to say. All right, we're going to take a quick break, stretch our legs, get a drink. Just a preview for what's coming up when we're back. We're playing a game called Guess That Animal. And we're listening to some songs as well. Plus I'm going to quiz you on your climate policy knowledge. Oh no. Uh-oh. This is where we lose all our listeners. These are frauds. Sorry, bye-bye. 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And then if none of us get the point, Felix, do you just get a negative point and then we can count all your negative points for having two harder questions? But what chance do I get to get points? You don't. So I'm just gonna lose. Yeah, exactly. It makes us feel better. Okay. Here we go. Lightning rounds. Animal sounds. Coyote. Coyote. Coyote. Justine got it. Oh. Chipmunk. Close. Squirrel. Yeah. Squirrel. What? Squirrel with a cold. It's a porcupine. Porcupine. Wow. Wow. Okay. Chipmunk. No. Pig. Close. Hog. Boar. Wild boar. Close to a pig. Uh. It is tick. Hippopotamus. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a peckery. It's a groundhog. Groundhogs aren't close to pigs. Wait. How is that close to pigs? It's a guy in the name, Hog. Oh, groundhog. I guess what you're saying. Yeah, okay. Elk. Wow. That was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Cacada. Nice. Oh, nice. Okay. Next one. Lion. Lion. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. It's a pig. Lion. Lion. Native to North America. Oh, these are native to North America. Hippo. Close. It's not a hippo, but it's close. Close to hippo. Is this another one of those closes that's not close? It is an alligator. Oh, well, I mean, I think, yeah, okay. I don't know if these close comments are that helpful. Here's the last one. Come on. Do you really have to play that again? One more time. One more time. Frog? Chipmunk. It was an ashelotl. What? Aw. What a cute little sound for a cute little guy. Ashelotls are amphibians. They live underwater, but sometimes they'll take a gulp of air from the surface, which makes this little squeaking noise. Play it one more time. Cute. Okay. That is the end of the lightning round. Justine got one right for a total of five now. Nate got two right for a total of seven, and Hannah got one more right for a total of four. Ray, we did okay on that. We did all right. Yeah, not bad. Not bad. Moving on to our next category, environmental politics and activism. First one to answer gets a point. Are you ready? Yes. Sure. Okay. When oil slicks on the Cuyahoga River in Ohio caught fire, it ushered in a wave of environmental activism and regulations and prompted this US president at the time to create the Environmental Protection Agency. Who was the president? Shout it out. Nixon. Yeah. I completely forgot about that. Republican Richard Nixon signed a lot of landmark environmental legislation into law, including the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act, and besides the EPA, he also established NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. It was a different time. It sure was. Okay. So the next couple of these are multiple choice, and this time I'll give each of you a chance to answer like we did in the first half. Okay, sum into that. Okay. Donald Trump's so-called big beautiful bill of this year gutted a lot of the tax incentives meant to decarbonize the energy sector, but not all renewable technologies were targeted. Which of these renewable incentives were left more or less untouched? A, hydropower, B, geothermal, C, solar, E, wind, and E, nuclear. By the way, there's more than one, but you can only pick one for this question. Nate. Okay. I'm going to pick nuclear because I know it's really popular in some conservative circles, including in Wyoming. So I'm going to go with nuclear. All right, Justine. I feel like there's a lot of discussion and political debate around dams, so I'm going to say hydropower. Mm-hmm, Hannah. I agree with both of those because I know that the tax credits remained for both nuclear and hydropower. I don't know about the others, but I'll say hydropower. If you're all correct, you all get a point. The three answers are hydropower, geothermal, and nuclear. Mm-hmm. So new wind and solar projects can still get tax credits, but only if construction begins on or before July 4th, 2026 for commercial projects. For residential solar, it has to be installed and functional by December 31st of this year. So if anyone's listening and thinking of installing some solar panels, you better get on that soon. All right, let's go international now. So lots of famous international environmental agreements have longer, wonkier names than the public is used to hearing. Which of these is not the real name of an international environmental agreement? So we're going to give each of you a chance to answer. Okay, is it A, the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer? B, the Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer? C, the Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change? Or D, the Paris Agreement to Limit Global Temperature Rise? Justine. B, Vienna. Hannah? I agree. I'm going to say Vienna. Nate? I am also going to say Vienna because Montreal, Kyoto, and Paris are all just good buzzwords in the climate world. Yeah. Recognizable. You're all wrong. What? So the Paris Agreement is just called the Paris Agreement. Oh my god. Oh no, you get a negative one. Felix, negative one. Sorry. Yeah, that's a big one. Negative one. I don't know. I kind of like that. We got tricked. Vienna, that's funny. There were two on the Ozone. Apparently, so the Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer came first. It was like, let's all start cooperating on gathering data on the Ozone Layer. And then a few years later, they're like, okay, let's actually decide to do something about it. And then the Montreal Protocol was doing something about it where there were actual commitments to reduce substances that deplete the Ozone Layer. Okay, so enough with laws. Let's talk activism. This one is multiple choice. Let's make this shout it out. When environmental justice champion Hazel Johnson discovered her Chicago Housing Project was surrounded by a ring of pollution and contaminated water, she compared it to a pastry referring to it as the toxic what? And there's going to be four options. A, bagel, B, croissant, C, donut, D, bear claw. C, donut. Donut? Hannah, got away. Nice, Hannah. Toxic donut. So Hazel Johnson went on to be called the mother of environmental justice for her work. She got the city to clean up local drinking water and air pollution. She also worked at the national level and served on the EPA's National Environmental Justice Advisory Council under Bill Clinton. Wow. All right, let's check the scores. So Justine has seven points. Nate has eight points. And Hannah has six. Woo! Okay, so this will be our final round. And the category is songs about climate change, nature, and the environment. So the way this will work, I'll start reading the lyrics to a classic song about or related to the environment. And if you know the song or the artist, you can shout it out. And I'll give you a point for the song and a point for the artist. So if one of you gets one, there's still a chance to get the other one. I like this. If I get to the chorus or the name of the song is mentioned in the lyrics, then nobody gets it. Okay, there. First song. Poison is the winds that blows from the north and south and east. Oh, things ain't what they used to be. Oil wasted on the ocean and upon our seas. Bob Dylan. Fish full of mercury. Oh, oh. Mercy, mercy me. Oh, Marvin Gaye. Oil wasted on the ocean and upon our seas. Fish full of mercury. Okay, so no one gets a point for the song, but Nate gets a point for Marvin Gaye. Mercy, mercy me. Okay, next song. Hey, farmer, farmer, put away your DDT now. Johnny Mitchell, Big Yellow Taxi. Nice. Hey, farmer, farmer, put away the DDT now. Give me spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees. Please don't at all. What a voice. Great song. I love that song. So Hannah gets two points for that. The p-fair at ice, put up a parking lot. Next song. I see trees of green, red roses. I see them blue for me and you. And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. I see trees of green, red roses too. I see them blue for me and you. And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. What a wonderful world. All right, so last song. This is the last chance to get a point or two. All right, here's the song. Well, I think it's fine building jumbo planes or taking a ride on a cosmic train. Switch on summer from a slot machine. Yes, get what you want to if you want. Bob Dylan. Because you can get anything. I know we've come a long way. We're changing day to day. But tell me. Where do all the children play? Nice. And it's Cat Stevens. Cat Stevens slash Youssef. Because Cat Stevens now goes by Youssef. Wow. Hannah gets two points. I know we've come a long way. We're changing day to day. Tell me where do the children play? All right, let me tally up the scores. Drum roll please. Justine has seven. Hannah has 10. And Nate has 11. Nate is our winner. That music round really wiped me out. Yeah, I thought Hannah was going to take me over in the music round. She killed it there. Inhog girl trivia. Nicely done. Yeah, good job, Felix. Yeah, nice, Felix. Thank you. How many points do I get? You got negative one. Negative one. Negative one. It's really good. Oh, yeah. Didn't we establish that this is a thankless job? All right, that is it for today's trivia episode. And we want to know how did you all do at home? Did you keep track? And also, do you have any requests for topics or future episodes of natural selection? You can email us and let us know at outsideinatnhpr.org. Or you can hit us up on social media. We're on almost all the platforms nowadays. TikTok, Instagram, Blue Sky, X, at outsideinradio. Also, Facebook at outsideinradio. This episode was produced and mixed by Felix Poon. It was edited by our executive producer, Taylor Quimby. 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