The 'Star Wars' Movie Draft

I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Diamond. This is a big picture, a conversation show about Star Wars. CR is here, which must mean we are drafting today, but he's not the only one. We are also joined by two superstars of fandom and culture podcasting, Mallory Roots, and the Rubin of House of R, and Van Leethan of the Midnight Boys, Ring Your Tailgate, Higher Learning, The Rewatchables, the Big Picture podcast. Come on in here a lot. What's your sub-stack called? Oh, it's called Fuck You If You Disagree. Right, all of those things. And I thought we should all... Is it Fuck You If You Disagree.substack.com? The name of the blog part, I think it's just Van Leethan. I just want to make sure people can get where they need to go. Yeah, that's tough. A lot of strong opinions on that sub-stack. I thought we could all get together to talk about Star Wars, because there is a Star Wars movie coming out in less than a month, and that movie is called The Mandalorian and Grogu. I can say for at least four of us, Star Wars is very important. Amanda. Would you say that Star Wars is important to you? We're finding me. We are once again finding me at a very interesting point in my Star Wars journey, because I have two young sons, and they are coming alive to the possibility of Star Wars. And for whatever reason, I think it's mostly because my husband was like, yeah, let's show them Star Wars. I am okay with this. At least the original trilogy. I feel really good about showing to them. I'll tell you why Van Leethan, because last night I and my older son Nox saw Phantom Menace together for the first time. Both of us sitting down for the first time. Yelza, that was bad. That was bad. It was bad to look at. I knew everything about Jar Jar Binks, except actually what that character was like, and I really couldn't believe it. Do you want to do the voice now? Yeah, we should do that now on camera. But just millions of Star Wars fans just turned the podcast off. This is Phantom Menace. You're a millennial, you're a prequel kid, just because of your age group. Yeah, and I'm elder, though. I don't know. I thought it was quite bad. So I'm watching these again as the parent of a child. And I was like, this is not interesting, visually ugly, and mostly about taxes, or trade routes, or both. Honestly, it wasn't clear to either of us, so that was sort of an issue. But the original three are exciting and beautifully handmade, and you under sit, like, it's, you've talked about when your parents went to see it and the spaceship goes over your head and you're just like, wow, I'm seeing something magical. I was in Euro at that moment. Yeah, and there we go. And here we are now. That's beautiful. Post-coital, one might say. Well, eight months after. Is that how long it was? Whenever David and Zemez, right before I was born, was summer's episode? Coincidence, I think, not. Yeah, so look where I got to. So I'm growing, you know, I'm learning, and parts of Star Wars I'm really embracing, and other parts, it's like a part now. Well, that was a very open-minded testimonial there about the fans of this. It was really bad. So, I'd like for each of us to talk about the first Star Wars movie that we saw and how it made us feel. Now, you've talked about this, obviously. You just shared that you... Would you describe that as having seen it? When he was a fetus? That's a really interesting question about when life begins. Interesting. Okay, great. I was going back and forth. I was going back and forth. Maybe only me, Van and Chris should be able to talk about that. What do you guys think? Yeah, I think that's a good idea. We can just lean back. Just listen. Yeah. Just when we're crying and relaxed. Pat down. Yeah. We'll just process and receive. What was your first Star Wars? So, my first experience with Star Wars was, if you guys will recall, they re-released the original trilogy on the eve of the prequels. And my dad took me to see the re-release at the senator theater in Baltimore. And it is one of the foundational, formative, film-going and fandom and nerd experiences of my life. Was it 97? What year was that? So, Phantom Menace came out in 99. So, they re-released them in 98. 97 or 98. 98. Yeah, heading into it. So, I was like 12 if I was in middle school. That's perfect. And it was just the best. And I remember really kind of thinking back on that when Jason and I did Binge Mode Star Wars. And I have this really specific kind of concrete memory in my mind. I feel, perhaps apocryphally, that I can remember where I was sitting. And yet, like 10 times I've had to text my dad, did we see this at the senator or the Charles? So, that's how memory works, right? But every time I ask him that, he texts me back within 10 seconds. The senator exclamation point. Like, it's such a fun memory for him, too, to have gotten to, like, introduce me to Star Wars. And then we rolled right in from the re-release of the original trilogy into Phantom Menace, which is like a foundational experience in another way, including recognizing at a very young, impressionable age that things are not always consistently excellent and, you know, your fandom is a journey over time, right? It is. So, yeah, it's just the best. And it's been a part of my life since I was very young. Do you remember your first one? I also went to that re-release. I went, I think, FIPS Plaza in Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, you know it. And with my friend Drew, who is probably listening. And our parents had a similar thing where my parents were not super pop culture plugged in, as we have learned over these years. But even they were like, we think we should take you to go see Star Wars. And I went with a friend. I remember being like, cool. Yeah, you know, that was pretty good. I don't think I saw the other two in theaters. So again, I was 14. So a slight difference in age and attitude at that point in my life. But that was a big deal. I remember it. It was. The re-releases were huge. I assume you saw that. The re-releases. Yeah, we're doing it. The first one was the first, but the first time you saw a Star Wars movie. Yeah, my dad showed it to me. This was back in the 80s. He was amazed by it. He was one of the people that went to see Star Wars and just could not believe what he was seeing. And he talked about it as if it were a legend. So when by the time I get shown it, it's not like, you know, in the way that your parents give you like religion, and they tell you all the beautiful, amazing things about religion and like why it's important. That's how my dad like felt about Star Wars. He felt like that little Skywalker, Darth Vader, all of that stuff. He was just like amazed by it. Now he was not a sci-fi guy. So for him, it was kind of basically an action movie with like, he didn't look at it, but it became really quickly for me, a religious experience, like from as, almost as early as I can remember all the way up for the rest of my life. You make a great point the way that it has transcended some of the tropes and cliches of classical science fiction. And I feel like when I was a kid, there was Star Trek and there was Star Wars. And Star Trek was science fiction. Star Trek was pointy headed. And Star Wars was adventure. Star Wars was mythology. And it wasn't the same thing. And so I was always a Star Wars kid. And as I've gotten older, I've gotten more interested in Star Trek and kind of what Star Trek was really about. And I didn't have anybody put it in front of me when I was a young kid, but I did have my parents at a very young age. It's probably also like a scarcity thing. Like Star Trek is just always on like reruns and stuff. Absolutely. When you get home from school and then Star Wars was like major event. The one thing that was funny thinking about opening remarks for this draft is that so what when does revenge of the Sith come out? 2005. And it is the movie that I have seen in movie theaters more than any other film. So I don't think I saw the second two prequels in movie theaters. Oh, damn. And I think I have spent as much of my Star Wars life critiquing it as I have celebrated. So like that is also another element of Star Wars and why the draft is probably really interesting is that like from the earliest days of podcasting, Andy and I have been talking about like what would Star Wars be if it could be perfect? What would you do differently with Star Wars? What should they do with Star Wars on TV? How should they reimagine Star Wars? And it's been this like thing that even before Force Awakens we were talking about and then obviously through the sequels and the TV stuff and all the stop and start iterations of it in movies. It's been a fascinating object of conversation and kind of Monday morning quarterbacking what they are doing with it. Almost as much as it's been just pure, I love these movies. Yeah. And I think that the perception of how much Star Wars there is in front of you at any moment in time obviously connects to how you relate to it. Like if you are an EU fan, now legends, canon fan or something, then like books, right? That was your lifeline to Star Wars for a long time and like the just absolute desert, the Tatooine-esque desert between film releases, like that was where you would seek out stories. Now you have, you know, for many Star Wars fans like too much Star Wars sometimes. It's been a long time since the last movie obviously. Rise of Skywalker was 19. It's been like more than half a decade since the film, but there's been a lot of TV shows, right? Sure. And mileage may vary on your relationship to that. A lot is the word, yes. Yeah, but you know, if you're like obsessed with Star Wars, you can play the video games, you can build Lego helmets, you can read comics, you can read the novels, you can watch all the shows, you can watch the animated shows. Everybody's relationship to it is different and it can be the most important thing in your life or something where you're like, this is a blockbuster event, I'm going to check it out and there are a million versions of that in between. I love hearing everybody's like first exposure to it and what the kind of like seminal aspect of it was because you know, I think for me with my dad, it was about fandom and it was about science fiction and fantasy but it was also real like Joseph Campbell, Hero's Journey exposure to through Luke obviously. So there are just so many different gateways and like I love now hearing from people, it's fun to hear how you're exposing, knocks inside to it because the like order of how you would choose to introduce somebody to Star Wars now is such a fascinating thing and I think that like for our peers, there will be people in five, 10, 20 years who are like the first thing I'm going to show somebody is Andor. You know, right? That would be confusing but yeah. That's a choice that you can make. It's a choice that you can make. Radicalism. You know, part of my legitimately part of my development as a human being has been learning to appreciate the prequels. Like not as an art, but like as a human being because I went through the total story before such a herculean effort to see Phantom Menace. I was at Louisiana Tech University. My like John's car had broken down. His tires weren't fixed. I got John's tires fixed on his car so that we could drive to Monroe and see the movie. This probably cost me 350 or $400 right to go and see the movie because I had to see it. In 1999 also. In 1999. And when I get there, halfway through the movie, I'm like, yo, this isn't working. Like I'm looking at things. I'm like, yo, they did ask right now. It's kind of how I felt when I was in Michael. And so like by the time I get to the end of the movie, I leave on the high of Duel of the Fates and it feels like the end scene kind of launder the rest of the had the exact same experience. That was exactly how I felt. But then later on when the at the height of the anti prequel movement, I was leading that movement. It was a huge backlash to the prequels, right? Yeah, sure. I came to respect and enjoy them, not only for what Lucas was attempting to do, but for what he was able to do at the time. And for what I feel like was an irrational fan backlash to not being able to play with the same toys from the 70s. And it actually changed the way I view a lot of things, like period, because people set out to tell stories that are sometimes challenge you and won't be as accessible as you need them and want them to be. Like analysis of that stuff to me is like, how much you love it? What can you what can you enjoy from it and how it deepens the lore and your connection to what it is? And the prequels definitely deepened my connection to Star Wars. They deepen my appreciation for Star Wars and a sophisticated Star Wars for me a little bit if they even if they did that imperfectly. Yeah, I had this very similar experience as Amanda was showing my daughter the movies and I would say to a movie she's enjoyed every movie. She really like threw herself into this and really be. But I think I probably saw a new hope when I was four or five and I had we had them on VHS. And so like I they're very formative for me just in terms of any kind of story and storytelling. And I was voracious about the action figures and begging my parents and toys or us to buy me the action figures. And when one was sold out, like trying to figure out ways to order them somehow begging the cashier at the store. I was at a very obsessive personality even then. And I similarly was kind of heartbroken by Phantom Menace aside from the duel of the fate sequence. But to see that movie with Alice and to see how into Anakin she was and to watch Anakin become her favorite character in these movies is amazing. It is fascinating. And I never could have done that because I was 17 when the Phantom Menace came out and I was 21, 23. When the Revenge of the Sith came out. So I do think it's a lot of like when it hits you when it finds you and what you're open to. And it doesn't change the fact that like the CGI is not good in the Phantom Menace at times. But there are other times where like, I don't know that the pod racing sequence is like exciting and fun. Like it's like if you're a little kid, that's that's my movie making my 18th old was in the room for the pod racing sequence. And just kept pointing at the TV and going fast, fast, fast, you know, so there is something primal. About it that I understand what what you're saying is interesting with your relationship to the prequels because it does feel like Star Wars is both like the blueprint for fandom or modern fandom as we see it as we understand it. And also like a living experiment, you know, like in real time of putting you all through these new situations of 20 years without something and then you get these new three things. But it doesn't live up to both what you remembered, both the originals and then everything that you've been filling in and spinning off side to side. And I mean, that certainly was true with the what are we calling the last trilogy, the sequel trilogy, the sequel trilogy, where it's, you know, it is funny. And even now with Mandalorian and Grogu to watch everyone who has had such a deep relationship to these movies that are just giant pieces of corporate entertainment at this point and have been now for 25 years. And be both angry like about the corporate decisions, but also so stressed out about the interpersonal connections and and like how is Mandalorian and Grogu even going to be received and you're on a podcast being like I will not even like go watch it. Because, you know, the final. And then, you know, Sean and I saw 17 minutes of it the first 17 minutes at CinemaCon. And, you know, it won't spoil too much to say that we watched over it. We watched it and you lean over to me and very angrily whispered, why would they put that blank in these places and your your complaint was textual. Your complaint was you have not honored like the sanctity of my memory. So it is it's a fascinating social experiment that we're all doing. It's just in real time. I think it's just a deeply, deeply, deeply personal piece of art that is also controlled at the highest levels by the biggest cultural entertainment conglomerate in the universe. And so there's an inherent friction. Like there's a huge emotionality that comes with it. And then there's all this business concern. And then there's also because it's been such a transformative act of movie making technologically, it's been also at the vanguard of the way that movies are made is changing for all of the sequels and for even for the TV shows. I mean, you can now look back on all these TV shows that Disney plus made as the kind of key indicator of what happened to this Holy Union of the way that entertainment operates where it's like this is what TV is. This is what movies are. We don't really cross these streams, so to speak, and everything can be comfortable. And then once they started doing that and once the Mandalorian came around, it kind of changed the expectations for what is theatrical, what is a TV show? And now we're kind of like doubling back, you know, like, We're unwinding from that. Well, they're trying to, but the number of people who don't understand that the Mandalorian and Grogu is a movie instead of a TV show, then they're going to have to go somewhere else to see it. It's like it's a big hurdle for them. Or they won't go see it. I will say this. I do think that sometimes, particularly in the Star Wars community, we take a lot of larger cultural and artistic issues and make them specifically about Star Wars. Everything has been corporatized, right? I play and really enjoy playing the Godfather the video game. Sure, I played that too. That was a good video game. So what do you do in Godfather the video game? You start off. You start off. Olive oil. But you do though. You start off on your rise as a soldier. You sit in an orange grove. And then you move up to be the Don. All right. And it's a very fun game. What was your, do you have an Italian Don name? I can't remember. Okay. Like Don Imbrolio. This game came out like what is it? 0809, something like that? I thought it was even earlier than that. It might have been earlier than that. But like, so like, and you know, then they make a movie on Paramount about the making of the Godfather, which in and of itself is kind of a cash grab to connect you to all of that. I think you'll find that was a TV show. But again, it's a TV show. Whatever. Well, I mean, it's complicated. It was called The Offer. I watch every minute. Right. So, so like, like what I'm saying is that all of this stuff has been corporatized. I think with Star Wars, there's almost a specific criticism that people levy at it because of the expectation of the purity of Star Wars. The expectation of the feeling that you're supposed to get from the story. The themes of it are about destiny. And they're about family. They're about betrayal. They're about all of these things. And they felt so real and so pure at that time. The question is, should you theme park ride them? And my answer is always the same. If you can do it right. Yeah, exactly. Like if you can do it right, do as much of it as you can. But when you do it wrong, people are going to have all kinds of reasons about why it's going wrong. And one is going to be you didn't stepped on a product and all of that stuff. But if you can do it right, I'll take as much Star Wars as you're willing to give. I'm in a great place. I think you and I will probably discuss and or more in depth on this part of it at some point next month. But I do feel like and or gave me in my 40s what Star Wars gave me when I was seven. And so like I'm like, anything else after this is is honestly a better understanding of Marxism or just like that was everything I ever wanted that I couldn't articulate. It was like that adult version of Star Wars and that level of complexity and drama and and and a world building experience was like everything I had ever wanted it as an adult from that when we were joking about like wouldn't it be cool if they set cheers at Maas Isley? Like, you know, like they gave Tony Gilroy $600 million and that's what he made. And and I'll I mean, so this is like even with Grogu all jokes aside, I'm like, I hope it's good. You know, I will see it. You're going to come with us. It's fine. He also thinks take one. Barkley is coming. So are you excited about it? About Mando Grogu. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I my relationship to like any new Star Wars releases generally, I will hope desperately that it's good until I have been robbed. Of every single reason to allow myself to think that like I want I love. Palpatine is one of the low points of my life. I was sitting with that happen. I'm like still as a tough one. Yeah. I think Ryzen I I think that everything you're saying my relationship to the prequels is similar as well. We're like I think the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are like terrible movies, but the prequels are very important to me into my Star Wars fandom. And I think Sif is like just actually genuinely unironically great. I think that two of the three sequel movies are very good. Obviously one of those two is quite divisive. I think that Rise of Skywalker is not only a bad movie, but a shameful to the like where do the corporations get in and metal too much a shameful manifestation of fearing your own fan base. Right. And the need and obviously like we've talked about last shadow over the years we don't agree on it. That's fine. I think that like a healthy debate about what to do inside of a Star Wars movie is like totally valid. I think the way that that manifested was unfortunate. And I think that Lucasfilm and Disney feeling that they then had to like walk back the direction of that sequel in order to like appease some of the bad faith voices in the fandom to the point where like not only do things in that movie happen. That make no sense. If you've been reading books for years and you're all like current on Palpatine cloning like whatever but somehow Palpatine returns is like embarrassing as a story beat and a line of dialogue and all of it. The lack of like confidence to actually follow through on Chewie all of that. Having like the. I agree. I said it. I said it. As soon as the movie ended. It was like it was like representative of a certain type of fear that was like driving that film. And I think the like moment of oh you know like lightsaber should be like the weapon of a Jedi should be treated with more respect is just a sub tweet at the prior film in a way that I think is like deeply lamentable. When Star Wars is in that place you can't operate with confidence. I mean the reason that Andorra is so great is because it's an excellent assured piece of storytelling but also because it was like created from a place of intention. You can look at Andorra and say new hope. Then we go to Rogue One and then we go to Andorran if you want to broaden even further you can say rebels takes place in parallel if you're interested in the animated verse. That's a lot of expanded world building and storytelling. That's not like oh you can't keep going back to the same well in Star Wars. It's like you have to do it well. So Mando Mando Grogu like I think that the question of should that be season four of a TV show or a movie is completely valid and certainly the trailers which like I found very exciting because I think that Grogu is one of the only pure and good things in the last like 10 years of being alive. I just think Grogu is iconic and I love him and he makes me really happy. I like the Inzelans I like Dinn. I've I thought seasons one and two of Mando were like really excellent and season three was very uneven sometimes good often bad. I don't know if that should be a show or a movie but like if it's a movie and it's good. I don't know that we'll care if it was a movie or a show we'll care that it was good. So what do you think. So last thing I'll say I know we got to get into the draft a couple of things. Number one there is a lot of times we talk about corporate failures and there certainly have been corporate failures from Disney but these things to me from the to the degree that things are corporatized. It's when story and narrative power fails and a lot of money made by our corporation. That's one guy that they said hey go do your story. Right. When we go back and look at even the intention of or the construction of the sequel trilogy three directors on three different movies couple got fired couple got fired like three different. That doesn't make any sense. Right. That's not the way typically these movies have been made these movies have been made with a sense of a three story arc. You're trying to get to something at the end and you're doing that you're committed to that for all of the people who were sickened and discussed and discussed it by Jedi turning Luke Skywalker into a coward. That's not what happened in the movie. Exactly what happened by Jedi turning Luke Skywalker turning into but whatever like turning Skywalker. The reality is turning Skywalker into a coward is the way that you get to some sublime emotionally and narratively brilliant conclusion in the third movie. Great. Yeah. But if that gets you to somehow Palpatine has returned. I got to ask why my favorite white boy threw his lightsaber away and like that is what leaves you hollow. This is revisionist history because I agree. I just think about the last hour. I cast. You were saying that after last Jedi not after I was a Skywalker saying what those complaints about last Jedi were in real time. They weren't a result of right. No, no, no, no. Last thing I say. But that's not what I mean. So now I just. Just real quick. No, no, no. What I mean is that the movie it's that decision that storytelling decision could have been made whole. It was going someplace. That should have. Even though we disagree about the last Jedi, it still was a failure in that respect because there was no follow through on whatever storytelling decisions were made. Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. So Luke Skywalker is your favorite white boy ever of all the white boys of any white boy ever Luke Skywalker and then Ryan Gosling from drive close number two. Where to see our and Sean right. I mean, these are these are my wife. That'll count. You know what I'm saying? Well, we're going to get Ryan Gosling very soon. Star Wars movie. He killed it. Now when didn't say shit just drove and fucked people up. I love it. Somehow I don't think that's going to be the energy he brings to Starfighter based on his past few films and Sean Levy's Uvra. We got we got a draft movies and obviously there are only eleven of these movies. And and as we've noted, some of them are quite bad. And that's so weird for something to be so special to so many people and also to be almost evenly divided between the good and the bad close to. So with that in mind, I've devised a slightly new kind of draft for us. Different kinds of categories than we've done before. Yeah. And I'm hopeful that you guys will be more strategic in a lot of ways. I think so. So just to clarify, then the animated theatrical release Clone Wars from 08 is not eligible. Well, I'll put it on board to have a discussion about it. I've not seen the film. I would consider it. I was honestly raking my favorite white boys. Number one. It's a whole other episode. I don't know. I mean, I was going to ask for Ben Affleck is on your list. Oh, boy. Beth Fleck is up there. But I can't be the man. What about Abrock? Come on, man. Let's talk about I mean, shout out to them. But like, no, they're not out. They're not up there. OK. All right. Shout out to them. But we're not, you know, wow. I mean, I put fucking Chipper Jones above. You know, that is with a message. I know there's some problematic shit. But I used to fuck with Chipper Jones. What does it mean? Hey, look, it was not me. Like, I ain't. That's fucking bullshit. I don't fuck with the BC boys like that. I love falls with tea. I love all of that stuff. We have to delete the episode. I really was excited about this. But you all realized for me coming up, I watched. I had a I know Chipper is who Chipper is. So you fucking don't like last Jedi and you like Chipper Jones. Chipper Jones was the baddest motherfucker at third base for a long time for my favorite team. Like some of this is diminishing returns, man. As always, I'm glad you're here. But what the fuck? I'm just being for real, man. OK. Here are the categories that we're going to be drafting from. Seven categories for five drafters. That's going to be 35 draft picks. The categories are as follows. Movie. This is very simple. Yeah. You draft a movie. A Star Wars movie. One of 11 or 12 films. One of 11 or 12 films. Wait, so what is the 12th one? So The Clone Wars, which is an animated film, but it was a theatrical release. It was. It made $80 million. In theory, it should. It could be eligible. And it is the first installment of what became a more than decade long running animated series, which I will say to you once again, especially if Alice has said Anakin Skywalker is my favorite character, you simply must watch The Clone Wars. Now, the movie. Pretty bad. I'm trying to limit the screen time here. So the idea of like an 80 episode animated series is a lot. It's more than 80 episodes. The Clone Wars and Rebels are both wonderful. Rebels is I think one of the best Star Wars products period ever. I really would recommend it. The movie, The Clone Wars movie is pretty bad. The television show is really good. The movie is pretty bad. However, Rodda the Hutt, Jabba's son, known by Stinky in that movie, is of course a character in Mando Grogu. Voice by Jeremy Allen White. So you could consider it homework. Is it just moist? Is he doing a circus stuff? You think he's out there and like the big hudson? I hope so. I hope so. Yeah. Maybe we'll find out with one of those behind the scenes mocap videos where he's got a tennis ball on his head. He's like smoking. He's just like, I'm trying to get Rodda's head. Yeah. Does he sing any bruce songs in the film? I honestly feel like the number of times I personally, in my little screen, I'm just doing that meme with all the numbers and like trying to understand what's happening is already at like 15. I'm already Googled what is the chronological order of all the Star Wars properties. Chronological. Chronological. So, and now I'm reading a Reddit page and I'm reading about Attack of the Clones, which I was conflating with Clone. It's fine. I did do homework for this. I prepared my own version. She and I chatted last night. We're talking. Sounds like it was a good talk. Okay. Second category after movie. This is movie you've been cursed with. Yeah. Can you explain this one to us? Yes. You will be drafting a movie for someone else and you will be cursing them with that movie. For example, we know that Van does not like the last Jedi. Coming around to it, but no. It's too late. Too late. You don't like the last Jedi and you do like Tipper Joe's. Yeah. It's done. Now, there's two ways to think about it. You guys better put that on the lower third for Van. Yes. Tipper Joe's stand. Don't forget you exist alongside Van's favorite white boys with Tipper Joe's. You're in league with him as am I. So this is complicated for us. I mean, like it's a big tribe, the white boys. Sure. I mean, like there can be different sides of the aisle there. And you say growing stronger every day. Luke Skywalker being number one is not really a list you want to be on in my opinion. 303 career batting average, 468 home runs. Just please, no more. That's cursed. Basically you're saying, hey, I know you don't like this. Fuck you. Or we all agree this movie is in good and you're cursed with it. So you're not only selecting the film, but the person to get into it. You can only give it to like there's only one pick per person. So if Amanda gives me a movie and I give Mal a movie, you know, me and Mal can't. Just clarify though. Can't. Okay. Movies can be drafted again in cursed. No. There's only 11 movies available period because there's only two pure categories. So the movie's category will be good movies that we like. The movie you're cursed with is we are assigning what we think is either overall the worst movie or the one that is most personally galling to the person we're giving. So like we could to just stick with the animated example, Chris famously hates animation, could give Chris clone wars because he despises animation and doesn't think it's a viable art form even though it is. You absolutely could do that. Interesting. Okay. But it's not eligible. I'll say it is eligible. Why not? Which is, I mean, now there are two movies ahead. It also just, it brings a Soka into the character set. So I think that is meaningful. Just throw that out there. Soka. Throw it out. You know you're right. I think it's more meaningful than inclusion. That's right. That's right. How was I supposed to know how it was spelled? No one at home can see what you see. Oh my gosh. Okay. The third category is Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. Skywalker. member. Okay. So we were talking about this before you got here because you, Sean Fennesey, the architect of this demented game, the architect from the Matrix, have been dealing out inconsistent information. And you and I had a long chat in the press box at CinemaCon about who was and was not a Skywalker. And you were doing, you were being a little bloodline about it. You were saying no one by marriage. Absolutely not true. That did not happen. Now he's angry just because season three. You just completely lied. Like that did not happen. In fact, I just talked to Mallory about this yesterday. That's fine. You said in the press box sitting next to me, should we be picturing you guys? That was completely made up and I don't know what you're talking about. Oh my God, I was literally naming people and you were like, no, that's not a Skywalker. That's fine. I'm envisioning the two of you like Palpatine and Anakin in the opera box and the evil head turned like this. No, any but marriage is eligible. Children are eligible. So bloodline marriage and you could get creative. Okay. Was there a press parking? There's a press area. I like the idea of you like tapping away on your. That is what it is. It's hundreds of people with their laptops open. Pam, Pam, be it like Luca. People are straight up in the CMS typing out their pieces while it's there. Did Darth Plague as the wise come up at all when you two were talking? Well, fucking way. Right. Well, yeah. Okay. I mean, look at this collaboration. Allegedly, yes, this person is because they're married in by marriage. So there you go. This is fascinating. We can talk about it together. Van is helping Amanda and I guess that could come into play. You wouldn't call Lars a Skywalker. No, well, but by marriage, by marriage, he would that. Yeah, Lee Lars would be eligible as his husband. That's what that's. Yes, that's true. I was about to. I was about to go. I know. But is that? Owen is Cleeg is his dad. Please marry me. Where's he? And then Owen is that Joe Edgerton. Owen is Joel Edgerton. Yeah. Cleeg is the guy. Remember, he's in the come to him is like he married. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I'm not. We don't need to worry about. I don't think it's the deepest category. You never know. I was about to get to a whole patriarchy type thing. Like if you marry, who can marry into somebody's family? You know, yeah. Would you let Chipper Jones marry into your family? I would just say Star Wars is in many ways about found family. And we should have a pretty broad interpretation of what family is. It's my opinion. Thanksgiving. We're fully decked out in the real tree. OK, the fourth category is hero or villain. I have a question. Oh, God. Shoot. So a character can only be drafted in one category. Yes. Of course, characters are eligible in more than one category. So if a character is taken in Skywalker, they cannot also be taken in hero villain. Why are hero and villain together instead of being two separate categories? Because that's what I wanted to do. OK. And a lot of characters in Star Wars. We could have gone even deeper. We could have been here all day. Could have been here all day. So far going great. The fifth category is vehicle. OK, Chris just looked at his watch. No, I was just curious where we were at. Ninety seven percent of the vote, though. My first ballot hall of famages are 97 percent. You heard Chipper Jones. Vehicle. Yeah. Vehicle. Good to know. We'll be editing you entirely out of this. The next question. Vehicle can be anything. It can be an individual vehicle that one character is known for flying or driving. A star vehicle for an actor who appeared in a film. No, that's not eligible. It can be various military vehicles that we know about from the the empire or the rebellion. This is one where I was like, no problem. I got this. The next category is problematic character. Oh, in what regard? Yeah. Well, I would like to leave this open to interpretation. Yeah, OK. To me, I feel like you can read a lot of characters that are beloved as problematic and you can read a lot of problematic characters as beloved. It's one of the interesting things about this series is that it is obsessed with cultural heritage, but not specifically race in the way that we think about it. And it's come under some fire over the years. And then there's other characters are like, why is that not a problem? OK, we can explore that here. Sure. But so OK, so then it could be the more overtly like way we think about this is problematic, but so we're not talking like problematic, save. This is a character for like the region and ridicule. You just have to make the case when you're in the pet every day. I think if you're like, I'm horny for Kylo Ren, that can be your pick. Yeah. Oh, I'll say, you know. A long established fact. But more specifically, I think cultural problematism is what we're discussing here. OK. Which Jar Jar has already been invoked. Jar Jar historically problematic movie character. But you could go the Kylo route or another character. Like, OK, you got to make a good case for it. Yeah, I think it will make for an entertaining category. Interesting. Good. OK. The last category is Wildcard, which is literally any cool thing about Star Wars. Anything. Anything. Could be an object, could be a person. Could be if you wanted to be a TV show, it could be that. OK. Oh, whoa. You could do anything. Now, you can't. There's no addressing TV shows otherwise throughout the other six categories. Rogue One will have some of our favorite characters. Yes. And so then because some of those characters appear on TV shows, you will be able to claim them because they appear in Rogue One. And Mandalorian Grogu counts doesn't count. We haven't seen it yet, so I feel like it's not. We shouldn't make it eligible yet. OK, so like the razor crest ship is not eligible in vehicle because that's just been in trailers so far. I like television show. Nothing from the. OK, cool. Interesting. Nothing from the TV shows is eligible in the draft. Yeah, it's the movies draft. It's got to come from the movies. This is a big picture. Yes. Cool. What else? Jesus. Does that make sense? Of course. There are, of course, many of the canonical characters have appeared in both film and television. Of course, a lot of them. But not all of them. Not all of them. Right. But you've just found a loophole for Sokotano, so that's good for you. And now if you come in last place in the voting. What's that? If you come in last place in the voting, do you promise now, in front of everyone, to do the entire Odyssey pot as Jar Jar? Just just checking in. How many more Jar Jar jokes do you have? OK. I would say I honestly don't know if draft order is boy is is crucial here. Is it crucial? I think so. I don't know. We know that you think so. I mean, you could think so, but I think you also have a very specific view. I personally think having a top three pick. Yeah, I well. I think having a top three pick would be meaningful, but I think it's such a deep set of of candidates and many of these categories that like no one's fucked no matter where they end up. And obviously coming around quicker on the turn is, I think, very beneficial in this draft. So you could probably make your piece no matter what. OK. Jack Sanders, we need the draft order. Van, what the fuck are you doing, man? Chipper Jones, are you kidding me? That's right. We're laying on the ground. I understand what's happening. We're dying and you're kicking us while we're down. Say, Chipper was the man. What the fuck? He was not. One of the best high school players of all time as well. This is look shameful. Drafting first to Sean. Wow. Drifting first to who? You know, it's been a while, though. I think it's been a while. Fuck, nice to hear. It's nice to hear that. That home cook in here. Everything's coming up. Fantasy is so nice. Drafting second is Mallory. OK, I feel fine now. Interesting. I feel pretty good. Drafting third is Van. Nice. Kind of where Chipper Jones used to. That right? Third, hot corner. Play third. Fourth, Amanda and fifth, Chris Ryan. OK, OK. How do you feel about that? We'll see. Yeah, that's. OK, wow. I think I know what you're going to do at five, actually. I feel happy for you. I actually think this board worked out well, probably for what every individual person wants to do. It's going to be boring. Can you repeat the draft order so I can remember it? Sean first, Mal second, Van third, Amanda fourth, Chris fifth. I'll put it up on the TV and it's in the dock as well. OK, that's exciting. Gosh, she's tough. OK, I feel like one and two are both extremely strong positions. I agree. I actually think the top three is really good. The top three. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I feel like they have. I feel like there's a clear order in the top three. I agree. That's interesting. When we get through the top three, Pex will see if we're thinking the same thing, but I suspect we are. There could be chaotic moves, Mary. There could be chaotic moves as well. It's a draft. There's always some chaos. I think Chalk is Empire Strikes Back is the first overall pick, which is one of the greatest movies ever made. Is the greatest sequel ever made? Yeah. Not the greatest sequel ever made. It's better than Godfather 2, in my opinion. What is with you and Godfather 2? It's got some flaws. Yeah, what are they? There's a three and a half hour podcast where I illuminated some of them. I prefer to re-listen to JFK. I really love it. I think it's a great film, but I like the Empire Strikes Back more and it hit me at a different time in my life. And I think it's amazing that it turned out the way that it did because it wasn't as fully conceived as we like to think it was. The more you read about it, the more you realize that while Lucas had an idea for a trilogy, he had not really mapped out where that movie was going to go and that very smart decision to make the movie darker, to give it a bummer ending to, I think, Senator Hahn in the way that he did in the movie. And that's solo. I think it's an incredible feat of movie storytelling and it's my favorite Star Wars movie. And I would say A New Hope is right behind it. You know, like it's right up there, but Empire Strikes Back in movie, which I think is fairly straightforward. Would others have gone in a different direction? I would have. I would not have gone in a different direction. I would have done that same thing. You would have gone in a different direction. I would have gone New Hope. This is going to work out well for you, because I know what you would have done at number one and you're going to get to do it at three, because I am taking A New Hope and Van will be taking Darth Vader. So because those were clearly as half three picks in some order, I think no question. But at the end of the day, I think that the character fields, all of them, are just much deeper and stronger than the movie. Again, kind of like a little bit of an irony inside of Star Wars, where the quality is most limited in the films themselves. And then there are all of these iconic people and things and ideas inside of them. Empire, also my favorite Star Wars movie, I would have taken it at one, but I'm thrilled to have New Hope at two. Like it's a coin flip between those two. Two of the most iconic and important movies ever made. And A New Hope changed movies. It changed genre films, but it changed movies and it changed movie history. And it is one of the most seminal and foundational installments in the history of story. I think that it's connection to this larger tapestry again, whether it's like the hero's journey or something like, how did Frank Herbert's Dune inspire George Lucas? And now you look at the Dune movies and there's this new generation of filmgoers who are like, wow, that's a lot like Star Wars. And then you get people to discover the actual connected nature of these things across time. It's like, it's just inextricable from the history of story and movies. If you made me pick, even though A New Hope is not my favorite empire is, if you made me pick my single favorite moment in Star Wars history, I'm like, gonna cry. It's binary sunsets. There's just nothing like it. It's like, is this why we get the Mississippi skies? It's the sky. We're gonna teach you in the back. It's the best. So I just, yeah, I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled and I'm happy the van gets to take the... We're not chipper, yeah. Would you have done Vader at one? Yeah. Okay. Well, so the question is what category? Because you can draft him in Skywalker Family or you can draft him in Hero or Villain. See, this is what I always get fucked up in drafts. I'm going to take him in Hero or Villain. Interesting. Yeah, I should probably take him in Skywalker Family. I'm gonna take him in Hero or Villain. Now that category gets a little slimmer. I am your boy, okay. Yeah, I'm gonna take him in Hero or Villain. I'm gonna thin that out a little bit. I think that this is, it's difficult to talk about how iconic the character is. One of the most iconic characters in American and world cultural history. And interesting, when you first see, this is to me a gauge of how Star Wars was when it was creatively pure and kicking. Throughout the three movies, you got more Darth Vader, but as you got more Darth Vader, the character got deeper and better. So the idea that like the more Star Wars you get, the more it's watered down is directly refuted by the character arc to me of the Vader that the entire thing is oriented around. Get a little bit of him. He's scared. You get more of him. You learn that he has this cosmic tragedy that he looks at his son for redemption for. And then at the end, he gets that redemption. So you get more Vader and it gets better. That to me is Star Wars. He is synonymous with villain, with evil, but he is also synonymous with twisted good. He's the breathe, the breathing, the moving, the lights, everything, cool ass motherfucker that your heart goes out to. Like to me, there's, I can't think really of a character that is superior to him in culture period as far as mythology is concerned. How much of this pick is a pick for Anakin as it is a pick for Darth Vader? Does this pick take Anakin off the board? Yes. It does. Yeah. Because Anakin is the same person. Yes. You know what's funny is he is a whole other character, but in a way he's not. He is a whole other character, but the darkness that manifests itself that has always existed in sign of Anakin Skywalker is this idea that we all have that thing that if someone sees it and decides to pull us out of it, to pull it out of us, should I say, that we can become that. So Darth Vader is as much a part of Anakin's nature as he's genociding sand people, right? Like as he's doing all the stuff that he does, it's just as much a part of him as the goodness that's a part of him, the selflessness that's a part of him. The women and the children too. Yeah. So like to me, these guys are like one and the same and the movie is about how someone can see you and take advantage of you and use you, use your power to their end. George Lucas has said like many times Star Wars is, if it had to be distilled to one thing, it's the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. You can't say Anakin and Vader are separate people. You just can't. So whenever I'm having a bad day, they just open up YouTube and I look at the sequence at the end of Rogue One when Vader is annihilating rebels. Fucking awesome. And it's like, we've discussed this multiple times on pods before. It's the one time, really the one time when I got the very small feeling of childhood Star Wars enjoyment of like I'm six and this is exactly what it was like or what I wanted to see when he's using the force to raise people to the roof of the corridor there. And it's interesting that like they gave us just a little, just a tiny taste of that over the last 10 years. He did show up on the fucking whatever TV show was it? Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan. Yeah, he's in all the shows a lot. I mean, Anakin is the main character of The Clone Wars Show and Obi-Wan and Soka are also the main characters of that. But not theatrical movie Darth Vader. Yeah, Vader is in Rebels. You're gonna get that childhood feeling of wonder when you watch Soka and Vader duel in the season two finale of Rebels, Twilight of the imprentice and that mass cracks and you see Anakin's dying. He says, Soka. It's something to look forward to, you know? We have so little left in this life. Four Beatles movies and that. That's tough. I don't know if I have 200 episodes of animated Star Wars in front of me. Rebels is fantastic. Rebels is great. Okay, excellent and interesting pick for the future of this game. Okay, so Amanda, you're fourth. I've been spending this entire time deciding whether I want to do this to Chris. And I kind of have to. Interesting. And I'm really, and I know, well, well, honestly, it'll open up the floodgates. I think it is the correct pick also. But like, I want you to know that you're my friend and that you were. I think that when you think about like your blank check appearance, like your last couple of months of podcast. What happened on the blank check? You've been laying the groundwork to do what I think you're about to do. Yeah, that's true. Okay, blank check was recorded many months ago. So I don't remember. Did I make fun of Chris? This is also my guy. It is your guy, but I do have to in Skywalker, take Skywalker by marriage, Han Solo, who is just a very hot, charismatic man. And is my entry point into what is exciting about Star Wars. And it's very funny watching it with a small child who is way more into Luke and even Leia. And I keeping like, but what about that guy? You interested in Han Solo? Look at him. He's swashbuckling. He's doing fun. You don't like Han? He's not a white- I love Solo. Yeah. I think him being in the Skywalker category. By marriage. I think you two did the categories in the opposite way. I would have taken Vader in Skywalker and I would have taken Han and Hero. But it doesn't, I mean, at the end of the day, I'm playing by the rules. You're playing by the rules. He just yelled at me. They're playing by the rules. You know, he did the nostril flare and everything. Don't lie. Don't lie on the lie. It's that simple. Don't lie. You don't remember any conversation we've ever had, but you can't turn it on me. This is an incredibly strong machine right here. Except when it comes to social interactions with other people. That's fine. I never doubted that Amanda would be selecting Han Solo in the first round. And frankly, I thought if Amanda got the first pick, she would have taken Han Solo there. I don't know whether I... The one question Adam asked me before is, what will you do depending on how the board falls if Amanda gets Han before you? And I said, I am prepared for that. We are the two greatest... Solo goes before Luke Skywalker. Harrison, Ford, and me. A thousand percent. Luke Skywalker. He never slips. He never fucks up. Skywalker is kind of whiny and also has the burden of expectation. He has the burden of the name. Han Solo is just there to have a good time and fall in love with Leia. Listen, I love you. I know. A plus. It's great. It taught a whole generation of women to not expect that much from men. But also, when the going gets tough, you're going to get like half an admission of emotion. You know what? Let's beat down this Lilith Fair-oriented narrative around Solo right now. Yeah. You know why she appreciated it? Why? Because she knew that that took a lot... Leia. Leia, yeah. Because she was like... That was a little bit of a fair warning. Because she knew how much it took for him in that moment to connect with that. That was Han giving his best at that time, which we used to be able to do for one another. Yeah. I agree, but he also didn't have to say too much, which I really appreciate. You don't want to say too much ever. Did the movie Solo, which is a part of the Straft? It sure is. Dilute. Han is a character for you. I wasn't as mad as everybody else about that. Same hashtag, make Solo 2 happen. I went back to watch it again and it's not Alden's fault. Yeah. Well. No, I agree with that. Yeah. Nobody other than Harrison Ford should be asked to play Han Solo. I agree, it's not his fault. It's a really bad script. It's an incredible bundle in a million directions. So totally it's way off the firing Lord and Miller, which we now see in the light of Project Hail Mary's Day, what an absolute nightmare decision that was, not letting those guys try to figure out a new tone for Star Wars, which could have set up an entirely interesting new future. Getting scared of the tone that they were going for there was horrible. Alden's fine. I like him a lot as an actor, but the movie is just as I, I think I wrote a column about it when the movie came out. I was like, this movie is not special. There's nothing exciting about telling this story. And it's the same for the most that I'm getting from Mando right now. The most like hold your breath moment of Solo is him playing cards with Lando. You know, I'm like, oh shit. This is like, yeah, like dog lovers really going for it here. And that, but like all the action sequences, the train robbery is okay. It sounds like we can curse Sean with Solo. That's, that's what's. No, I don't think it's the worst Star Wars movie. I just think it's kind of a nothing. Has anyone ever told you you have some dried in Voss vibes? Oh, is that Paul? The drafts bring that out on me. Yeah. Yeah. Great pleasure yacht though. First light. Oh, I mean, there could be worse things to be compared to. He was the man that moved. Not a bad villain. Yeah, he worked. Pretty good villain. Anyway, Han Solo, I'm sorry, Chris. Great pick. That's okay. Okay, CR. Those are the, I would say those are the big four in this draft. Skywalker family, I'm going to take Luke Skywalker. While he goes up and down over the course of the sequels, I would say for those first three films and especially some of the shit he pulls in Return of the Jedi, it was just my guy. You know, like doing the backflip off of the prison barge. Yeah, that's your first example of what he does. That's cool. I con it. Killed his dad too. That was sick. But no, Luke Skywalker is like he and Han are the ways in for Star Wars and I think it's ultimately like the kind of missing pieces of the prequel for me. Or just like, I never really got into Hayden Christensen. Also, like you kind of know where that's going. And Han Solo is like the cool factor that I think the prequels missed for me, like that kind of like get a load of all this shit attitude. I don't know why I'm talking about Han Solo. Clearly mad that I had to get to draft him. But Luke is the root of all the mythological stuff that I think attracts people to Star Wars across generations. And it's just like a kid from nowhere becoming the most important thing in the universe. It's like this really powerful dream, you know. Yeah. And when you say from nowhere, you mean hidden. In his father's home. Still drives me crazy that they made that choice. Just very quick sidebar. Whenever I'm playing Star Wars with my daughter, she's always like be this person. And then there's like a line that you go to to be that person. So whenever she's like be Luke Skywalker, I always say, I'm Luke Skywalker. I'm here to rescue you. Like there's like some. Oh, yeah. Okay. You know, so like give us a little Tashi station. Little power converter. Power converters. Yeah. Power converters. Yeah. That's not true. For Han. That's impossible. What do you think is the like go to Han line? Boring conversation anyway. Oh, I like that one. You like almost can't pick. There are so many. Well, that was why I asked a question so you could pick. Oh, but I mean, it's like, God, every Han moment is iconic. I never know what to say when she's like. You're wonderful. You know, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I just love that. You could use a kiss. I do think I love you. I know is very, very high on the list. Never tell me the odds. Obviously iconic. That's a good one. I like that one. Perhaps counterintuitively some of the subtler Han moments are actually the best ones, especially on a rewatch. You know, Luke training with the training remote and Han challenging Obi-Wan heading into that, you know, first step into a larger world moment, which is also iconic. That's the quintessential Han line to me. Exactly. That Han moment is like. Like, hokey, religions is not going to be a good one. That is his mantra. And you just understand his worldview from that moment so clearly. And then of course, when you build toward like something like an enforced wake, it's like, that's not how the force works. You feel like you have just lived an entire life with this person. That's fandom at its best, I think. Hokey religions was my yearbook quote. So thank you. It was really good. You know, my favorite moment from Han ever is though, that to me told me about the kids. This is just all for Luke. We just immediately started talking about it. Well, there's a reason Han went first. So I love Luke Skywalker, but my favorite Han moment is actually the moment where Luke, Fane's, that he has ancestral love for his sister and Han. Fane's? That's a very generous interpretation. That's the way I look at it now. Yeah. Okay. The proto-targarians, let's be real. And Han right away starts fucking with it. Like right away starts poking holes in Luke. Yeah, peacocking. Just right away. So I don't know, maybe a guy, and he's not serious about it at all. He's just fucking with the kid Han Solo. Han Solo, perfect. And that's kind of what Star Wars was for me at the first. So, you know what you're going to do here. Yeah, you have to do it. I'm going to take Rogue One movie. Of course you are. Yeah. A movie that's probably like got two things going for it and against it. One, Sean's point about the Darth Vader scene at the end. I don't think I remembered a single thing about Rogue One other than that because it was so intense that I had like a blackout because of how I felt at the very end of that film. And then Andor coming along and expanding it and giving so much of Rogue One like a resonance and a meaning that it maybe didn't have on first viewing. But watching Rogue One after Andor, we did a pot about that. I thought it really deepened my experience and Rogue One is just the best version of the Disney Star Wars experiment so far, I think in terms of on big screen to me. I think that despite a lot of MacGuffins and planet hopping, like it still has like a through line that I really attach myself to. It's got a great villain. It's got incredible set pieces. And I think is going to age very well. So I'll go Rogue One in movies. Scarif's sequence still just looks astonishing, that kind of crystalline water. Gorgeous. Yeah, I think it's also like underrated. It's got Ben Mendelsohn and Mads Mickelson and it's got great actors and really great parts. Chronic rules. Yeah, Donnie N. Yeah, it's really slick. It's more grown up. It's the most grown up of the movies. And we actually did watch it with Alice and while we were watching it, I was like, this is a war movie. Oh, yeah. This is a real trench warfare movie. And there's some great spy stuff and there's some fun Star Wars lore components of it, but it is a really down and dirty bomb them out of their hole kind of film. And even just the ideas and the conversations are so mature and nuanced. You know, Cassie and like, now it's real for you is one of, I think, the great subtle challenges character to character in Star Wars history. This is a draft. I think it's been a super great celebration so far. I'm curious, do you guys think we should try to tear Chris down a little bit and put on the record that he has come out in support of CGI Tarkin? What do you think? Oh, I don't mind that. Of all the great crimes committed against humanity in the last 15 years, either CGI Tarkin. Peter Cushing would have been into it. No. Obviously, they had to cut the check. Yeah. Did the Cushing fam get paid for that? British people in general. Who is Grand Moff Tarkin? That is so fucking, she's killing me over here. No, I just go to CGI Tarkin. So she goes to CGI Tarkin. Every time you say something, I look over here. Maybe I need a visual. But at the end of the day, she has on solo. She could win the grand do whatever. You have to look back, click them. You could try this, but I just think English actors, if you're like here's the direct deposit, like Michael Cain is me. I love the run. I love the run. I feel like they did get the estates approval. Here, did they? I don't remember what that was. Would you give approval for CGI Sean? Who am I giving it to? You're giving it to William Simmons. No. Yeah. Okay. Now Amanda has a second pick. In movie, I'm taking the last Jedi, which I know you would use as a curse, but I was very moved by it when I saw it in theaters. I rewatched it this morning, was equally moved by it. Yes, I sort of understand. I do understand the reading of it as if not like a betrayal of fans, but that movie connects with me because I do not identify as like a Star Wars capital F fan. And it is a real opening of the world and not just who can be a Jedi, but who can watch these movies and connect to them in any sort of way. And so I find part of that and I really, I find the Rey stuff until Rise of the Skywalker very moving. If I didn't get less Jedi, I was going to take Force Awakens just because of the scene. Oh, so good movie. Once she gets the lightsaber, like at the end, I will never forget. And I'm not like a farstool in Force Awakens. It's awesome. I'm not a sad but important in that kind of way. In addition to that, last Jedi is like funny with great performances and looks really good. I mean, the final showdown, the showdown in the red throne room, obviously, but then also when you have Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker. Oh, and Cray. Dueling it out of the middle of the night. Yeah, I mean, it's just. Hold on maneuver. It looks amazing. It's made like incredible. Also, that's Laura Dern. You know, like it's made so well and with such a love of the franchise, I think, but then the willingness to turn it over, which I understand. That's it. I mean, it's been nice to me and I'm sitting next to him. So like I'll be nice about it, even though I do kind of I think you're wrong, but that's okay. I was very moved by the last Jedi and that's that's my pick. So great movie. It's a great movie. Okay. It is. It just pokes all. I think some of your Reddit posts from that area. I'd trade that opinion. But yeah, I think there's a question of whether it's a savvy pick in a draft that people will be voting on given how it is. Considered by giving a fuck. Yeah, I love the last Jedi. It's a perfect pick for you. Yes. I think it's a great movie. I'm really happy that you picked it. I love this movie. I've always loved this movie. I think it's fantastic. And like I wish Ryan Johnson had gotten to make more Star Wars movies. And I think to me, like the Luke stuff in that movie is really bold and brave and interesting. And it's like what you said earlier about religion, like thinking of Star Wars as a religion, like who doesn't question their faith at some point, you know, to confront our sacred ideal of the chosen one in a moment of feeling really lost and confused about the thing he has put his entire sense of self and life and the world into because of choices that he made and mistakes he made and also choices other people made. I just thought it was such an interesting decision to explore that. And, you know, it's funny because like watching your face when Holdo was invoked, there are so many different things you can point to in that movie that like it's a litmus test for how you feel about the movie, but maybe more broadly like playing with these things. Like obviously there was a lot of like did Holdo maneuver break canon and then a lot of rebukes to that. But I will never forget in terms of do like hyperspace lanes work that way. But I will literally never forget watching last Jedi in the theater for the first time and the sound being sucked out of the theater when that happened. Like, do you remember what that felt like? That's like a great movie. Did you see that at Disney? I saw it at Arclight. I remember walking over from the office and seeing it around Disney. You and I saw it at Disney together. One sentence. Not fucking invited. Making Luke Skywalker hold a lightsaber and decide on whether or not he's going to murder his nephew in cold blood is akin to me to making Seth Rogen James Bond. That right there. I understand characters and all of that stuff. I think there are three people at this table who just don't care about those rules. I understand that. I can't do this with you, but I will just say it's an amazing echo of the crisis in the prequels. It's just a fascinating future exploration of the problem of Anakin. Like it's all connected in my mind that what they did not learn through Anakin, he had to seriously consider through Ben. That to me is really strong thematic storytelling. I really love that choice. I understand why it upsets people. I understand why we have this kind of Jesus Christ-like idea of Luke Skywalker. So your problem is like a Superman Luke Skywalker can't even think about killing people type things? No, my problem is that. My problem is the entire galaxy. Luke has legitimately devoted his life to building his power where he could rebuke the empire. All of what he did has been undone. Han is in the wind. His sister is in trouble. He's pouting on a planet. It just doesn't make any sense. And to me, middle-aged is tough though. It is tough. I understand that. I understand that. Yeah. It feels more real now even than it did five years ago. Tough. But anyway. Sometimes you're like, I just want to take my ball and go home. It's a very beautiful planet. It's a gorgeous planet. He got that green milk straight from the teat man. And I do like it. I like those not. I agree. I should be clear. It didn't even occur to me that it would be controversial in a voting. I mean, I know that it will, but I don't acknowledge those people. Like, please don't vote for me. You're sitting next to me. And then go find another free podcast. I would have. I would have. If I was taking a movie, I would have taken Jedi. If I was going to take a movie, I would have taken Jedi. Yeah. Well, you'll have your chance right now. Right now. Yeah. I'm not going to take Jedi. I'm going to take a vehicle. Okay. Nice. I'm going to take the most iconic thing to me in Star Wars that is still left on the board. Okay. And I'm going to take the Malayan Falcons. That's a great pick. Yeah. When I look up and down the board. You now have the Millennium Falcon and Darth Vader. That's pretty good. Yeah. So like to me, when you think of Star Wars, you think of all of these characters, but the one thing where all of this shit was going down and really encapsulates what the rebels were trying to do in the original trilogy is that broken down rust bucket of a ship that somehow was still the fucking fastest thing in the game. I was thinking about this. I'm really glad you picked it because I also think it's representative of you. Millennium Falcon is for the homies. It's for everybody. We're all going to, you have to go down here and shoot. You have to target like time fighters. Sure. I'm going to go plot the course. You know, you do this X-wing fighter. It's you and a droid. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like X-wing fighters more of like a solo thing. It's more of blast shield down. I'm just going to fucking fuel the. Some of us like to be alone, you know. Well, I mean, I think it's an interesting witness test. If you prefer the vehicle of a solo artist or one that's like me and everybody, we're going to gamble a little bit here. We're going to play some cards and then we're going to go fight some shit. You're a collaborator. Yeah. He has one of your fucking as well. As well. Yeah. Love it. Falcon also just one of the true genuine through lines of the entire franchise. It is. So valuable. Dubious ownership history. The car facts on that is. Tough to get that vehicle. I'm sure. Yeah. At this point. Okay. Mallory. Easy. I'm taking Obi-Wan. As hero. I honestly can't believe he fell this far. When you close your eyes and you think of Obi-Wan, do you think of you and McGregor? Of course. Of course. When I want, when I close my eyes in general, I see you and McGregor. So. Mallory. No question. And actually I see the animated Obi-Wan, frankly, with that square jawline. Is that the only time that that's ever happened? Like think about it. Is that. Has it happened? I don't think it happened. Yeah. It depends. I think you're talking too. You don't think that. You are the chosen one. I do not. I have the high ground. I'm sorry. Don't try it. Guys. My nigga tried to flip anyway. He got his shit flucked up. It was the farest I can. Yeah. Come on. I like it. It's not. He's not replaced by Alakini. I actually do think that you and McGregor is Obi-Wan Kenobi. Yeah. I think, I think for it. I think that. But that is like the dividing line. Like that's absolutely insane. But I know you guys are living in different lives. There's just more. There's more. More of. Yes. But at the end of the end, again, genuinely with all of the animated installments and all of. Is he voicing this? No, he's not. Well. The. It's just leaving money on the table. But like the fact that you could have such a passionate debate is you and McGregor, your Obi-Wan is Alakini, your Obi-Wan is just more fodder for why it's a great pick. Like he's one of the most iconic and essential characters in Star Wars. Certainly undeniably one of the most important Jedi. The abomination of the television show affect your appreciation for you and's performance? I thought that was the hottest he'd ever looked. OK. Slicing. Finally getting your. Sushi in the sun. You know, bearded, filthy. Wonderful stuff. Yeah, Obi-Wan is most one of the most important characters in Star Wars. One of my personal favorites. I have Obi-Wan's lightsaber. Like to think about Obi-Wan's lightsaber in some other ways. Obi-Wan and the Duchess Satine, one of the great Star Wars tragic romances in the wider canon. You know, I mean, at some point, Mallory, that's just not functional. That seems. You know, I think it depends on what you can take. Yeah, that's a good point. I have to tell you. I'll spice it up. At some point, you can anymore. But that's fine. Do you know who the Duchess Satine? You know who the Duchess Satine is? More elegant than a blaster. That's what they say. Indeed. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Obi-Wan versus Grievous. Will someone take Grievous? Maybe. Obi-Wan is hero. Did you miss it? Did you miss it? Did you miss it? I missed. I would like to request that the picture is given to Gregor. Why do you guys always get, because remember when Mal dropped the blowjob situation years ago? Yeah. I watched that clip all the time. Yeah. Like if I'm like all the time. Maybe not all the time. Yeah. I remember Amanda's reaction. Pretty vividly. A lot. The sharp intake of Gregor. And I looked at both of you. What are you doing? Amanda's reaction was amazing. Amanda's reaction? I think you guys were supposed to be like both like this is Mal and Amanda was like, I don't even remember what was. This is really a bummer. I'm going to get smashed. I'm going to get smashed. The whole thing. I was talking about basement blowjobs. Back in Ricestown, Maryland. Some fun formative memories. I'll say. So I'm really able to relive it again. Do as it was. It was just like. What was it you said again this time? It was just like. It was a recognizable sense memory thing. Like I wasn't in that basement. But I was like, sure. Everybody that's watching right now. Pause it. Go back and listen to it. Freeze on Amanda's face. I was just basements I have seen. You know? Oh, shit. Oh my God. I have a new hope and Obi-Wan. I feel pretty good. Okay. Kenobi, the great Jedi of all time to me, by the way. Glad we were able to circle back to. He's the great Jedi of all time. Being pleasured by a lightsaber. I have two picks. You do. And I'm tremendous. Mount Rhys basements. They should have the next film there. Yeah. Will Mando be visiting your basement? That's where the hunt for pen solo ended. I was a Raler, shipper, on Elegant. That's Elegant timing. Yeah. On Sermon Semi. Oh. Oh. Good. Yeah. Okay. I have two picks. And I'm going to tell you both of the people that I'm going to take. Oh, I know what you're doing. I'll be taking Leia Organa. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I'll also be taking Kylo Ren, aka Anna Solo. Good. Gamesmanship. Oh, I like it. Now, Leia, I obviously have had an amazing experience with Star Wars. Because if there is no Leia, my daughter's not getting into Star Wars. She's not connecting with these movies. She's an incredibly strong entry point for them, for a lot of people, but especially for young women who are getting into the stories, because she's one of the very few women with any agency in the movie. Wait till she meets Ahsoka. And I'm trying to figure out what's the right place to put her versus put Ben Solo. Because their mother and son, they're both heroes. One of them is also a villain. And they're both skywalkers. So I'm not sure if, like, just visually speaking, looking at the board, one makes more sense. I think Leia, as my skywalker, makes the most sense. I think that's correct. And Ben Solo as the hero or villain, since he's both. I might argue one of the most interesting choices you could make in that category. You can pick the other one in Darth Vader. About Ben Solo. Kylo Ren is one of my favorite characters in movies in the last 20 years. I think he is an amazing creation. And such a perfect evocation of a certain kind of male psyche that was just very prevalent in the time when he was created. And it's really interesting to me when you can take, like, contemporaneous psychological profiles of men or women and put them into these crazy worlds. Sure. Like genre storytelling. And that, like, frustrated emo sad boy. Why can't I be it? Like, why can't I, why are my parents making me be this way? Why can't I get back to the time, like, my grandfather who was so cool, my parents don't want me to, you know, be successful. They won't let me have my own independence. Like, all of those very common touchable ideas, putting them inside of a Star Wars villain and making him this kind of, like, snivelly person who also has amazing power and, like, looks cool, but doesn't know how to hold the confidence was just, like, an amazing choice. I've always loved driver. I think he's a great character. So he'll be here or there. Skipping through last Jedi last night and the scene where Snoke is, like, take that ridiculous mask off is so devastating because it's just like, oh, you don't need this to breathe. You're just being like, this is just hot topic Darth Vader. And it's such a great insult to him. And then he fucking cuts him in half because of it. You know, that's what he's still really powerful. Yeah. Like, he's still a very cool Star Wars character, but with all of that frailty, like, right on the surface, I had completely forgotten the dyad thing. Oh, dyad and a force tied together. Oh, yeah. And he's shirtless for all of it with that, like, just very square torso. That's a great moment. She's like, can you do you have, like, anything you can put on? Yeah. Cowl, anything in the last Jedi. What in the last Jedi? That idea of them being able to see each other across. Force timing, as the kids call it. Force timing, yeah. Yeah, I like that. People who are just listening, it should be noted that you just shrugged. I mean, I like the connection that they had. I think that that character of Ben Solo is kind of in ways indicative of the failures of the sequel trilogy. Wow. Yeah. Why? Because they didn't know what to do with them. Well, the ending is unforgettable for both of them. Because I think that's a Rise of Skywalker problem. And I'm sorry, all Rise of Skywalker problems. It is, but at the same time. His arc in Last Jedi is so great to me. I agree. To me, they like there's even in there's inconsistencies with the power of the character. The movie starts with that character freezing a blaster bolt in midair. So you're thinking, oh my god, this is a new level Skywalker blooded fucking menace. Yeah. One of the strongest we've ever seen. Then at the end of the movie, he gets fucked by like, he's like Finn is in a lightsaber battle with them. Like they never quite clearly tell you. Well, he's been shot. He's bleeding out. But he's also emotionally devastated by his choice to kill his own father. I get it. But like a lot of times when I look at the murkiness of those films, to me, the murkiness of those films can be laid at the feet of the murkiness of the villain that is right there in the films. And like, and so look, like it is a Rise of Skywalker problem. But the Rise of Skywalker is one of the movies that Kylo Ren is in. I think it's fair to say there's some kind of inconsistencies about like how powerful or not powerful certain characters are across all the movies. I just think that's the boldest choice to me, that character across that sequel trilogy. Is that like the power and the way that he's positioned. It's also like that portrayal too. And having him be like, let's get like a Marlon Brando James Dean style, like agitated, method person to do this. Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking. The performance style of the actor, which is very different from the kind of like elevated pop fantasy that came in all the other movies. Okay. Those are my three picks. Back to Mallory. Okay. Geez. There are so many things I want to do here. This is really, I think Skywalker has gotten so thin that I'll wait, which I'm okay with. I usually in a draft wild card is like, I think almost synonymous with save it till the end. But I think that there are to me two potential picks inside of wild card that are, could have been in the first round of this draft. I'm torn, which I want to do, but I will be going with my wild card here. I'm going to go with my heart. I'm a little hard head on this. I'm taking lightsabers. I think in a Star Wars draft, it's pretty important that lightsabers be selected. You obviously have a personal attachment to the concept. You guys, you know how many lightsabers I own? A lot. Damn well now we have a completely different. What do I use them for? Okay. Ask my husband. Tough stuff. Just looked right at me when you said that. Because I know that he doesn't appreciate when I stare into his eyes. Now he's moved around at all. I am still rejected a while. I will be jealous of the person who gets the other thing I considered taking in wild card, but I'm so thrilled to have lightsabers and I think this is the right thing for me to do here. Lightsabers, genuinely one of the most iconic things in all of pop culture, all of the world. Good pick in a rare moment when an early wild card pick I think is very justified. Makes sense. Yes. I thought about weapons. I just didn't think there were enough weapons. That's part of why I really wanted to have lightsabers because Star Wars is very much about duels and battles and I don't think frankly like blasters are going to be selected or should be. Now you could have been more specific. You could have said Luke's lightsaber. Yeah, but why? Now I get them all. I'm just saying. Now I get all of them. All of them. You could have said Mace Windu's lightsabers. That is one of the ones I own. You know, as a Ravens fan. Purple Saber, pretty cool. But no, I'm just getting every single one so I don't need to make the choice, which is pretty wonderful and powerful. Okay, Van Leethan. I am going wild card two. I'm taking the most iconic stuff that's still available to me and I'm taking the force. Oh, incredible. Yeah, I had that in my top three. Yeah, I'm taking. I thought you were going to do something else. I think Van is dominating. Like I'm taking the force. Like when I was a lad, the thing that more intrigued me about Star Wars and anything else was this idea that there was this thing that binded the universe together and that accessing it would let you overcome any sort of evil that you were up against. And if Luke could do that, if he can get in tune with the force, if he could listen to the force, if he could operate by the will of the force, he could turn his guidance system off. Exactly. And just shoot into and destroy the biggest, baddest thing that's ever existed. So the force and that more than anything has been the thing that as we move forward, we struggle with the most, which is how to deal with it and talk about it and make it make sense in a very cynical world. I think that's frankly the only reason that this, that's the only knock on the pick is that I think the force has become a little bit of like a lightning rod inside of how fans talk about Star Wars and how Star Wars is made and does everything need to be about the, a lot of us about the TV shows to be fair, but like is everything need to be about the force? Should these characters be able to use the force? Obviously one of the big debates about sorry to bring up last Jedi again was like Broom Boy, which I loved and thought was awesome and a great reminder of how big the galaxy is, but that's not how everybody feels about it. I was going to ask what the debate was. So you don't want enough. When we did the Star Wars rewatchables episode, I proffered a theory that the decline of organized religion, interest in organized religion in America dovetails neatly with the rise of Star Wars fandom. You say it's so evenly that it doesn't register how insane that moment was when you said that. I feel very confident in being at least an interesting theory. But I honestly agree with more like we could extrapolate. I think belief in Superman, like all of these things that are based in this sort of cultural purity, they go right along with the fact that we just don't believe in this version of mystical and mythical goodness anymore. So that was what I was going to ask you is do you consider yourself a person who fears God? Yes. Okay. And you can hold that with the force. I can. And it was so funny back in the day when my grandmother, she tried to get me off the force. She joined a very popular type of Christianity and she played this video where it was like George Lucas actually believes in the force and they think that the force is real and she goes, so if you believe in the force and you watch Star Wars, you might go to hell. I was like, okay. Yeah. It's a teen mentality. Yeah, I was like, oh yeah. I was like, okay. Yeah, I'll see you in hell. Okay. My turn. You're up, Dobbins. So there are a few things I could do here. And I'm not going big and grand and lightsaber and the force. I'm not doing my wild card. I think I'm going to have to play strategic. What happens if I break the draft? Oh, oh my god. You can break the draft? I might be breaking the draft. So we'll see how you guys are feeling. But problematic character. Oh, okay. Sean explained to me yesterday and he was like, just Google it. And it turns out when you Google it, you get a lot of men who are mad about the last Jedi writing about the Star Wars characters that they hate the most. And so aside from Jar Jar, obviously there are many cultural stereotypes embodied across the 11 films that people would have different issues with, but I don't have like a specific recall of all of those sites. So I'm doing a problematic character that jumped out to me yesterday while watching the Phantom Menace for the first time. Which is Padme because that is an age gap romance and I have some real issues with that. In addition, she is endangering her handmaidens with the Swish rule, including Sophia Coppola. So because of Padme, we might not get lost in translation. So get out of here, Padme. Why are you looking at me when you're yelling? I don't know. This is a great thing. You haven't broken the game technically. Yeah. Okay. But why would I have broken the game? Because she's going, the number of skywalkers available. Jesus Christ. I got some things I can do when I take my picture. But yeah, it's got, it doesn't help you. It's an interesting pic though. Well, I had some questions and they weren't answered. I think that's a flawed character, Padme. Also a flawed performance, but whatever. Yes. Oh, I don't know if you're not her fault. They're not giving anyone in that movie a lot to work with. I think that's a George Lucas issue. Yes. I think the performance in Attack of the Clones is even worse, but yeah. Yeah. So they're five years apart. Yeah, she is a, she's 14, she's nine. So when they come back to the next movie, he's 17, she's 22. Listen, you know that right now in 2026, what is the age of consent on the internet? On Naboo. Yeah. What is the age of consent? I think he's older than 17. He's older than 17. Is he older than 17 or 19? So he's 18 or 19. There's power and balance? There's power and balance. Although he is the most powerful being in the universe. Well, sure. But institutionally speaking. Midichlorian Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I'll allow it. You're shocked to do that one. Thank you. Thanks so much. You know. It's a hell of a take. Wow. Well, that, that, that leads us to CR, right? CR on the tour. Two picks for you. Seer, do you have a Skywalker? Yeah, I got Luke. You got Luke. The Skywalker in some ways. Yeah. Can I request that you add an S to lightsaber to make a plural to really just reinforce that I have every lightsaber? Yeah, because somebody's gonna be like, Yeah. Paper copies over here. Wow, paper. Look at that. Paper copies. Okay. So first of all, just inspired by you guys, I'm gonna go wildcard death star. Okay. Okay. Fantastic. That's a good one. That's a good one. Something that I think is now like obviously has crossed over into like why? Why didn't you take it in a vehicle? It could have been eligible. I guess. I don't really think of it as a vehicle. It's more of a weapon. It's a battle station. It's a concept. Sure. It's a useful reference. Have you guys ever noticed Mallory's draft? I'm just curious. Her draft tactics, she shits on your draft, but she tries to glam it on you. Not ever noticed. We've been living like this for 10 years. I think everyone's doing great. I'm just interested in the strategy. I think of it more as a weapon than a vehicle. Okay. And also often, you know, it's quite stationary. I know it or it's, but you know, like in any case, it has sort of provided a lot of my favorite moments throughout Star Wars, both in New Hope and Return of the Jedi and in Andorra in some ways. I was just watching the, the chronic interrogation scene of, of Deirdre. And I think it's one of the great inventions of this universe is this idea of especially pre-saging some of the Cold War stuff that was really about to hit off. But this idea of a super weapon, this idea of a doomsday, this idea of like everything lights out. I think they may have gotten a little flippant with its use in the sequels or with the idea of the Starkiller base and what it does. But, you know, I'm happy about that. And now is that, is that the biggest flaw of A Force Awakens? That it's just no for no. The Empire would be like, we're just going to do this again. Yes. Not that, not that the movie is the same as the first film, but the idea of the Empire just trying to build another thing. Planet Killer. The third time they win. The same thing. Yeah. Like, why do they think this is the only way to dominate? I mean, that's the thing is that they have the two of the most powerful beings. In the galaxy. And they're like, we got to build the space station. Well, the Empire, the Emperor is also obsessed with it. If he would have listened to Thrawn and invested into the events. The Thai program. The Thai program. Probably would have been better. Poochia would have been if they Oppenheimer'd it. And the Republic was like, we have to build the space station so that this can never happen again. And then it just becomes nuclear, you know. But it's the folly of the Empire. That would power Oppenheimer in it. Well, if you were like, we have to show them, you know, like what we can do. She's just Google Grand Admiral Thrawn. Thrawn is the best. Which movie is he in? No movies. Books and TV shows. Oh, OK. Well, I can't be responsible for that. OK. He's an awesome villain. He's great. Good pick, Chris. You have another pick. For movie you're cursed with, I'm giving Amanda. I'm giving her Phantom Menace. For you, that is absolutely the right move. Great one. So how do we mark the house? Show your hand there. Yeah. He's fine. I mean, honestly, it's quite poor. Clones might be worse, I think. I haven't seen clones. And that's the one I haven't seen. And then I think philosophically and creatively Rise of Skywalker is more bankrupt. Yes, totally. I do. Rise of Skywalker is the evil movie and Phantom Menace is the bad movie. Yes. And this is just kind of boring at times. Attack of the Clones, I will cape for it just because it just has some fun action. I think Attack of the Clones is a better story than Phantom Menace with easily the worst dialogue and performances in the entire franchise. Yeah. I agree. Yeah, it's hard because I know pod racing and Duel of the Fates are people will be like, but you have that. Duel of the Fates? I don't. Is Mason Attack of the Clones? Mason is in all the vehicles. But he gets killed in Attack of the Clones, right? No, that's it. Revenge of the Fates. That's the healthy show. Unlimited power! That's when I listened to The Emperor. That's of course what I said. Okay, thank you so much for that. What a gift. Where did you think someone would first choose to curse someone? Was this about the spot, Midwine? When it got to Chris, I started thinking about who I would curse with what. So it seems like about that time, right? Because you don't want it to be nasty up front. There's so much we love about Star Wars. But now we've cleared the deck on a lot of old favorites and we'll think about how we can also wound our competitors. This episode is brought to you by Apple and AT&T. Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all. Miracle diets, fitness trends, you name it. But with iPhone and Apple Watch, you get meaningful insights from a very trusted source, your body. 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If you have not seen John Williams performing or like conducting symphony orchestras performing his work, there's a whole series that he did in Vienna, which we just like watch in my house and my children love it. And then like, I, you know, the music itself can bring me to tears, honestly, more than the movies can. So I started crying talking about binary sunsets. It's just, it's an insane accomplishment that you do. I mean, it totally changes the way that we understand like popular music from the last 15 years. You really wonder what would happen if it was another score. Yeah. Yeah. Or if somebody else was doing it. Yeah. If he wasn't just the fucking man of our lives. I think it's the single. The, the, this one, one of my favorite podcasts that I've ever done and been a part of was the, the sounds of Star Wars, Benjamin episode during the Star Wars runs were talked about score, but also just in general in the soundscape of Star Wars. And I think there's no greater shorthand to that emotional connection than like when you hear the force theme kick in or you hear a lightsaber fire up. It's just the sounds of Star Wars take you to that part. Just hearing some boobs. No droid category, I think is very devastating here, by the way. But of course they could be selected in certain categories. John Williams score was what I was alluding to earlier when I said I was really torn between two things and a top wild card. The force was, was up there as well. But yeah, I think this is a great pick. What an absolute legend. Okay. I have to take a Skywalker now. I've waited long enough. Why? The cat. Why at this point, the category is so thin. Well, I mean, the category is thin now. If I, if I fucking wait, then I'm going to get left with fucking Sheehy Skywalker or all of your left with that. She's got some things I can do. So I'm going to take Ray. Eligible. A character you don't like. A character you don't like. You sat there in a fucking coliseum in Caesar's palace and you're like, Ray is not a Skywalker. You said it over and over again. Because here's the debate. Oh, you're saying she's just, she's a Skywalker. She's one. Wait, so you're saying not eligible. And I'm saying she is eligible, that I was wrong when I said that to Amanda. But you never corrected that. I'll apologize to Amanda for not correcting that. She's fucking late. You already threw a tantrum about me recalling the conversation. There's only one person throwing tantrums on this podcast and we all know who it is, Amanda. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a very thin category. But like if this is the last mid-rounder that you can get. Yeah. This is the, I mean, you're, you know, after this is like, there's none, there's nothing left. Like to me, I don't know what you guys, so I'm going to take Ray. Interesting. I like her. This is shameful. What you're doing right now. Many people are saying. Because it's not credible. You don't like her. And you don't like the movie she's in. She's good. We're going to see more of her. Okay. I like her. I think she means a lot. By the way, can I say something? Can I say something? A lot of young lady. You are talking about her the way Trump talked to my Tim Cook yesterday. He never bothered me. I think for a lot of young lady Skywalker or like Star Wars fans that she represents a lot to them. She's cool. I like Ray. He does. I like Ray. I'm taking Ray. That's my Skywalker right there. So I know who else is on the board that could even be like. I thought you were going to say Ray was your problematic character. That's where I thought you were going. I thought they were going to go there too. Why? Because she's not really fleshed out. And what they do, I mean what they do with her in Rise of Skywalker is unforgivable, but I don't think it's Ray's fault. I think just even the explanation of her lineage is so janky. I mean, I agree. She's the daughter of a failed Palpatine clone. A strandcast. It's just a very odd retcon. Like such a, that's the best they could do with that idea. In the same way that you're putting like all the failures of, you're separating the failures of Rise of Skywalker from Ben Solo from Kylo Ren. I'm separating it from Ray. Right. When the moment when she gets the lightsaber and forces Ray against, we already, I already said. We lost the television. It's back. Peer it up. Good pick, I think. I'll apologize to you again. Thank you. For not letting you know that I had changed my mind about that. Only because I didn't think there were enough Skywalker characters that would be eligible to make the game continue. Fortunately for Mallory. I do still have to select a Skywalker. You do. I will not be doing it now. Now that Ray is off the board, I'll be waiting probably until the last round. It seems wise. There are some things I can do there. Let's see. Some exciting possibilities here. I will take, I think the clear number one draft pick and problematic character. I'll take Jar Jar. Wise. Because you think he's the most problematic or you just love him so much. All of the, no, no, no. Sorry. God, I think problematic, but also I think clearly the poster character for that idea inside of the franchise. And, you know, are there some fun little Jar Jar moments in the animated canon that have warmed me to him over time? You know, are there a lot of fun Jar Jar theories? Love what they've done with Jar Jar in the, in the little Lego shorts. Right. I mean, Jar Jar is to not, not only does he go in the Senate, let's be clear. Jar Jar is responsible for the emperor. Remember? He's like a gas lit and manipulated into not into presenting the motion that allows Darth Sidious to become the emperor. So in addition to all of the other, you know, the tropes and the racist caricatures and just a really bad dialogue and storytelling in Phantom Menace. Jar Jar is also responsible for fascism and tyranny reigning across the galactic empire for decades on end. And so I don't see how Jar Jar couldn't be the top pick in this category. Happy to have him on the squad. I will not be doing an impression. That's definitely number one. There's also like three or four other super kind of racist characters in those prequels. You can certainly select them. But thank you for saying clearly number one. I appreciate it. Six categories or five. Seven. What the fuck am I doing? I'm trying to see what else is on the board. Okay. I have two picks. You need both movies. Vansal is picking. You have a picked up movie. Yes. Which is challenging because you're about to receive a movie in another category. Go for it. Because of the strength of Van Slate, I am cursing him with the Rise of Skywalker. Okay, good. Oh, wow. Okay. Which to me is just desserts for the Last Jedi haters. Yeah. That movie exists because of the Last Jedi haters. It exists because Disney forced JJ Abrams to make that movie too fast with a script that was not ready and that they forced all these ideas into the frame and then they fucked up Star Wars movies for seven years. That is a fact. The movie I think we can all agree is ultimately a failure. And was Trevor Rose supposed to direct that? He was. Yes. He was going to do a whole, but do the face. But then they were like, Ryan's going to direct it. And then they were like, actually they just, they just, they lost their nerves. They botched it. I'm only giving it to you because your board is really good. And I'm kind of annoyed with how good you've been. I was thinking about giving it to you also because you don't like Last Jedi. You're not. Can I ask? And Rise of Skywalker happened because of that. So I'm not blaming you personally. Yeah, because I didn't do it. But yeah, you didn't do it, but it's not good. Can I ask a process question in terms of how this will be presented? Because you're like, I did this here because I want to hurt Van because his squad is so good. But it's listed on your team. So when people very quickly are looking at this at like on Instagram, it will be corrected. So whatever movie you're cursed with. That would be placed on your R. Exactly. I'm just leaving this up for order purposes. That was going to be my recommendation. I could make a true argument that if you're cursed with that movie, you've lost that your entire board. I think it's a great, I mean, Rise of Skywalker is a scandal. Genuinely a scandal. It is a scandal. I think actually when we came out of the movie, we were like a little gobsmacked. We were like, what just happened? We stood still on the sidewalk for 45 minutes, unable to move. Yeah, that was tough. That was tough. It's too bad. Anyway, I got to pick something else. So I've got... You've done your movies. So I need a vehicle, a problematic character, and a wild card, huh? Yeah. I think... I'll tell you what I think is the coolest vehicle after the Millennium Falcon. I'm going to take it right now. It's called the Thai Advanced X1. It's Darth Vader's Thai fighter. It is good. They're going very specific. Which I think is super fucking cool. And you know what? He does get blown out of the frame by Han Solo in A New Hope. And he goes, what? I can't deny it. But even still, it's just something I enjoy. I enjoy him like getting behind the wheel there. Just real top gun Maverick vibes where it's like, fine, I'll do it myself, you know? And I just think that's a really cool vehicle. So that's my pick. You could have gone any number of directions. You could have gone broad with a certain style of vehicle. But if I had to choose one to jump into, if I wasn't piloting the Millennium Falcon, it would be this one. Okay. That's good. Interesting. Now you're back. Now you're up. Okay. I didn't necessarily think I was going to do this here, but I'm mostly... I'm going to curse someone with Attack of the Clones because I don't want to be cursed with Attack of the Clones. And I actually would be like genuinely fine with any of the other movies that someone sent my way because this will take, I think, clearly the bottom three. Phantom Ennis, Rise of Skywalker, and Attack of the Clones off the board means I can't receive one of the worst three movies. So I think strategically it's sound for me to just avoid being able to receive this. Who do I want to give it to? So Amanda has been cursed with a movie. Yeah, and it's been cursed. So Sean and Chris are your options. I got her. Oh, geez. Sheesh. Okay. This is like an anxiety dream. It comes at you fast. Okay. So let's see. Chris has Luke Rogue One, the Death Star, and has given Phantom Menace. Sean has Empire Leia Ben. I do think and the TIE fighter. I do think I have to curse Sean with this. You got a counterbalance having Empire clearly, the best movie, I think. So Sean will be receiving Attack of the Clones, which I think is the... As I said, I just thought... What happened to that? Nothing. Anakin slices up a pair and sends it to Padme in midair. You remember that? That's inappropriate. And Okinaj chases through. But there's also... Is it through Cloudair? Dooku comes in. Yeah, it's also through the frame. General Green is under frame. Camino, Detective Obi-Wan. But in the movie theater, when Obi-Wan... Yoda was getting busy with his lightsaber, people were going crazy. Yeah, that was sick. Yeah. I don't know. I think... I mean, it's not. It's by no means crazy. The performances and dialogue in that movie are appalling. Every scene between Anakin and Padme in that movie is appalling. Could have been worse. How many times have you said to someone in your life, hold me like you did by the lake in the boo? Is that something you guys say to people? Yeah, all the time. No? That's what you say to your lightsaber? Quite right. Quite right. Okay, is it... Is it a man? I know it's a man. So I gotta take a movie now. Yeah. You don't have to. Yeah, I'm going to. Now, this is tough for me. Because in my heart, there's a movie that I want to take, but I can't justify taking it above the other two films that are still there. So I'm going to take, which I think is now become an underrated movie, Return of the Jedi. I believe so. I believe you're right. Yeah. I think it's now become an underrated movie. I think Return of the Jedi coming after Empire Strikes Back was a movie that was easy to criticize because the empire is so brilliant. Jedi is a fantastic film. It completes the flawless arc of Luke Skywalker. You have Sarlacc Pit. You have all kinds of different things in that movie that are super duper iconic. People who are hit or miss on the Ewoks, I love them. I like watching the Ewoks. I liked Indoor. I like the forest race. I like a lot of the stuff, all of the stuff. Admiral Ackbar. Admiral Ackbar, all of that stuff in Jedi to me works. And if I got a draft here, I'm going to get one of the original trilogy. I think this is kind of a no-brainer, right? Yeah. I don't agree. Oh, interesting. Well, you're a Sith girl. I'm shocked and I feel personally betrayed that you didn't take Sith here. I was astonished and really sad. Can I be real with you? What happened? If it was about my heart, that's the movie that I'm taking. Follow your heart at Star Wars. What is literally, what is more about following your heart? But you can't compare it to Return of the Jedi. Return of the Jedi is 40 minutes of Jabba the Hutt and like Boba Fett going down sad into the Sarlacc Pit like a fucking cuckoo. And then 90 minutes of the E-Blocks. You're going to ruin the audience. Okay. It's Jedi. This is, I honestly would have, not only would I have taken Sith before that easily, I would have taken it for four seconds. I'm just like, I'm surprised. You took a new hope in the second movie. You took a move in the draft. I don't believe it. I can't believe you didn't take Sith. I just can't believe it. All right. Jedi. I think that was the correct pick. Okay. And actually your strategy is waiting on movie paid off. Yeah. You got one of the OG trilogies still all the way down there. I don't know. I mean, I think you did good. Amanda. Yes. Okay. So going along with, no, I looked at the exact name, but in Return of the Jedi. Yes. Okay. So it's a speeder bike and I believe the correct model is the 74Z speeder bike. This is my son's favorite part of Return of the Jedi. This is such a fucking dangerous vehicle. Speeder bikes. And they look, it looks very cool. Although I guess you don't always have to ride it in such a heavily loaded vehicle. I can pick all speeders. I don't have to be specific. Okay. I picked speeder bikes. You know what? The speeder bike, the fact that Leia was on that bitch going crazy, is the first time I was like, it's probably more sensitive because like it just is. I thought you were going to say women should be allowed to drive for you. Okay. So that's my vehicle. Speeder bikes. Nice. Speeders are fun. What is the vehicle called that Anakin and Obi-Wan race in at the beginning of clones that like the car, the hover car? I don't know. Follow the hover car. Yeah, I see what you're doing. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You guys don't know. Neither of you know. Well, then it must be really obscure. I mean, there's an iconic Star Wars vehicle that's still on the board. Couple, I would say. I agree. Yeah. Okay. Now it is Chris's turn, right? Uh, Chris, what are you missing now? Hero vehicle and problematic. I'm going to go. God, I don't want to be redundant. I'm going to go Cassie and Andorra for hero, even though I already have Rogue One. But you mean Cassie and Rogue One because Andorra is not. I know that he's like sort of plays the wall a little bit. The gin is the hero of Rogue One. But you know, I know that too. Gin's dad. I was thinking that is the architect of our demise. So, you know, I think that also the architect of us being able to defeat the death star. It's true. You know, that's true. It's the plans that he leaves behind. But, uh, Yeah. Cassie and for hero is like, I don't have a deep attachment to gin and I don't have it a deep attachment to any of the remaining people really like Poe or whatever. What do you think of that? Couple more interesting heroes out there. I'm surprised by some of the characters who have not been selected and hero. I will, I will say that. Has everybody taken their hero and villain? No, I haven't. So, I won't, I'll refrain from speaking further. And, of course, I can name all of them. So, this has been nicely distributed amongst the three trilogies also. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm kind of avoiding the pre-puls to some extent, but. So, you're a little worried your two Rogue One heavy and not spread out across the board. Man, I don't really care. But you love Cassie and I love it. But yeah, I just really like Cassie and even like his introduction is so dope in that movie. For vehicle, sorry, my scrolls are not stapled. Oh, you know what? I'll do problematic character. Java. Good one. Human trafficker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about the idea that he's also an Italian stereotype? I hadn't thought about that. That never occurred to me. His last name ends in a vowel. Oh, that's tough. He's supposed to be a big fat mobster. His last name? Gangster. And he's a gangster. He's supposed to be a big fat mobster. Yeah, that's tough. Okay. That is the idea of the character. That represents a whole secret society. But I think Java is like when it's just like he's like a, you know, he's a bookie. You're like, all right, Java. But then when he's got slave layer by the chain, like that's like a problem. That's tough. Yeah. But how often did you jerk off to that when you were younger? To be honest. What was it that he was going out of that? Out of what? Lay it chained up. He was licking her. Remember he licked her with the tongue? Was that the primary objective? It was all about the titillation. I think it was like the implication. His lightsaber, if you know what I mean. The implication is that she is his concubine. Yeah. How would that have played out? Do you mean how does a hut have sexual intercourse? I'm not going to use those words. Where is pleasure centers? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there like a- I don't know. Is he even attracted to someone? You know? Where's the hutfals? You know, like that's what I'm saying. Okay. That's not right. Because they're baby huts. That's right. That's right. Something happened. It's procreation going down. Maybe for him it's more about like it's like romanticy. It's like he's like a bit human being is like wings ferrying to him. That's right. You know? Yeah. You're right. Wall Street, Jabba, big lick guy. So Jabba is your problematic character. Okay. I was going to- Yeah. That's my problematic. Okay. And we're back to Amanda. So I have hero or villain and I can curse someone. And I don't really feel that strongly about any of the remaining movies to curse people with. And also my options are Mal who would be excited to get the third movie, Sith Something. Can't remember the full title. It's tough. And I don't want to curse Chris because I already took Hansewell away from him. So I might just let that shake out and instead take hero or villain. Well, some major characters still on the board. Okay. Does Yoda count as a hero? Yes. That's who I picked. Yes. I picked Yoda. I always kind of thought Yoda was kind of boring. You could have also picked Yoda as a villain. No, I just meant that's why I didn't pick him. Let Palpy rise. I'm not really a Yoda guy either. Okay. Nothing against him. He seems wise. Even if you have all the wisdom in the world, you can't always do the right thing in Star Wars. That's what we learned. That's the complication of Star Wars. You can't always sense the Sith rising. And he trains some important people and also my sons really like him. So at this point, I'm just drafting for the boys. Baby Yoda, you've been in the mix here. Right. But as we have learned, thanks to Mallory and Joanna, they're not no, but we have learned that they are the same species, which is something that I have now heroically explained to a four-year-old. Can you name another member of that species? No, but there's one more. Because we talked about it. It's three people account as a species now. Well, there are more than that. Well, we only know that through we don't know very much about them. We know that Yoda, they live to be at least 900 years old. They're old. And inherently force sensitive as a race. Right. And we only know about three of them. I can't name the third person. Cincinnati. Yaddle. Yaddle. Yaddle. Yaddle. He's a laid-up jumper. Yaddle's her name. But my man forgotten again. Is Yoda getting by on his sentence construction? Like, does Yoda actually have that much to offer? But he just puts it in such a- Man, Yoda, Yoda. I mean, he fucked up. Yoda is sitting in front of- There's a lot of Yoda. Lot of Yoda's feet. Okay. Yoda and Mace, they're both like- They are responding for the fall of the Republic. Exactly. Straight up. Yeah, Yoda. That said, like- I got some notes for Yoda. Oh, no question. The greatest teacher failure is beautiful lesson. Hasn't the Republic fallen three times? Yes, but this was- And he's only responsible for one of them. He missed the rise of Palpatine. Darth Sidious is like in meetings with him regularly on his Google Cal, and he's like, I feel none of this. Very tough. And then he pieced out to Dagobah. Embarrassing. Get a bit of a flaw in the first. Dover's. You must. You know what I'm saying? Embarrassing. And then, perhaps honestly, worst of all, when he's training Luke on Dagobah, he's like, don't go save your friends. That is some dark gnarly shit. And Luke doesn't listen- That's right. Because it's in his nature to go save his friends. Part of why Luke is great. Part of why the echo in the last Jedi is so good is because he's Whatever! I am right! He doesn't listen to Yoda. He goes to save his friends. Because when you get it- Everything in danger to save his friends, and then he does nothing. When you're young, you're idealistic, you're willing to take chances. That's the whole premise of the movies. Got it! Okay. I'm going to take problematic character. And I'm inspired by CR's pick of Jabba the Hutt. Okay. Okay. So in my problematic character, I'm going to take Emperor Sheaf Palpatine. Mm. Yeah. Okay. And because I didn't- When we were talking problematic- Which one is that? Uh, he's the greatest villain in film history. They keep- And they just keep up in the ante like, So's Galactus, you know? Yeah. But like- I'll be. So- They didn't really follow through on that. It was fantastic for him. There's like a pre-Emperor, and then there's an Emperor, and then- Well, he's a Senator, then he's an Emperor. He's the chance, yeah. Senator, Chancellor, Emperor. But it's all the same dude. Emperor. And then somehow he returns. But he's always Darth Sidney. So he's like the- Now let me make my case. So he's clear villain, but let me make my case for specifically problematic. Number one, a big time groomer. Groom's a young Anakin Skywalker, from the point that he is legitimately an elementary school kid. Groom's and lies to Darth Maul, making him think that he was a Sith, when guess what? He really wasn't. Super mean to Darth Vader, which they don't really get into. Has Darth Vader, makes Darth Vader, like, has him in a weird relationship where he has to rely on him, and he, like, makes him turn against his own family, the whole thing. Then so problematic, so addicted to power, that he can't allow anybody else to have power. He has to have it eternally. So he puts himself in a cloning situation, consciousness, and something else, uses a Sith cult to bring himself back at the end, because he can't get rid of it. He's not just a villain, but he's also a bad person. He's like- He's a boomer bad boss. Is your argument. Yeah. Yeah, he won't get out of the way. And send him a race back to work. Because I was bound in a three story house. Yeah, I almost had that joke earlier. I'm glad you got that one off. There's the, that's not the first to make that joke. Yoda, you could make an argument for Yoda too. Yeah. I was actually thinking about him in this category as well. Yeah, same. So I like that pic. Even though he's not historically amongst the culturally insensitive, although you could say he's cultural. What is- No, no, no, he's racist. What is- No, no, no, he's, he's, he's, no, he's also racist. You guys- Yoda or Palpatine does not allow non-humans to be in the empire. He is a racist against aliens. The only one that is in the empire is Thrawn. And he makes a special case for Thrawn. Thrawn is like the Jackie Robinson of the empire. He makes a special case for Thrawn because Thrawn is so brilliant. The whole Thrawn story is fucking amazing how Thrawn got- But there are no aliens that are allowed to be in the empire. Yeah. He's a human- They didn't integrate the, the empire after Thrawn. I know. Because maybe Thrawn didn't, you know, become an LNVP. But, but what I'm saying- Yeah, he couldn't get on base. Yeah, Sidious is also, he's like notoriously a racist. Um, Solid Peck. Ian McDermid? Mm-hmm. The longest- One of the more extraordinary 35-year performances in movie history? Oh, good. 50 years. I mean, how many, he was in movies for- 50s. 50s. 20s. 20s. That's great. How old was he when he first portrayed the emperor? I think he was like in his 40s, early 40s or 30s or something. He looked a lot older than what he actually was. Yeah. Really, man? Because when he came back in the prequels, I was like, hey, he's in those prequels. I absolutely love him in the prequels. I think his over-the-top portrayal of that guy is so, so, some of the most fun shit in those movies. Did you have a China takeover? Okay. Um, who's next? Mallory. I am. I will be happily selecting my vehicle now. I'll be taking the X-Wing, which is somehow still here, despite being one of the most iconic ships in the artwork. So not Luke's X-Wing. If I, if we were picking specific vehicles, and we had to, I would pick the T-65B, aka Red 5, Luke Skywalker's X-Wing, but... You're just taking them all. Taking them all. Why not? The X-Wing. Well, why would we get blown up in these movies? I would like you to use a picture of Luke's X-Wing, Jack, if at all possible. That would be great, but I'm taking them all. People are like, I'm having a hard time visualizing. Taking them all. The X-Wing is iconic. Every time it opens and closes, fantastic. You got your astromech with you for the ride, the best. So when is it taken and enjoyed? Hate on Mando and Grogu, or Mando, the show. The first season of that, at the end, when that X-Wing is crawling up, it's incredible moment. I stood up and went, that's fucking Skywalker. It's the best. And it was nuts. That's how iconic the vehicle is. You know that that's what Luke is riding around in. Story and popular culture in the last six years. That was the shit that we were like, this matters. Yeah. A TV show, or sitting alone in our apartment during COVID. That's not ideal. Got our action figures at home. Great stuff. Okay. Who's next? You. You're on the turn, man. You got two. You got two. You got two. You got two. You got two. You have to cur... Oh no, you've cursed Van, right? So you have... That was tough. You have problematic character and wild card. Gosh. Problematic character. I think I'll take Newt Gunray as my representative from the Trade Federation, which is a character who was portrayed in a movie in 1999 that is one of the most blatant anti-Asian stereotypes I've ever seen in the history of cinema. And also, blockades back in the news. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Tough. And their strategy, which was shameful, and they were obviously pawns of the emperor, didn't work out. I'm hopeful that everything works out in our world. I can't say for sure if that's going to happen. We've only been potting for a couple hours. We could add a couple of different flips in the story. You think that's possible? I feel like every day brings something new, man. Do Hexeth have you on speed dial? Me and Pete have not spoken. Okay. Ever. You're sure? Okay. So... He looks like a Phillies fan. He sure does. No, he looks like a Chipper Jones fan. He does look like a Chipper Jones fan. Walked me up with that one. Yeah, these are facts. Tough. I... I like Chipper. Wild card, I'm going Boba Fett. Now... I cannot believe he lasted this long. Boba Fett, I think the TV shows have undermined his legacy somewhat. I would argue even the prequels have undermined his legacy somewhat. There's the famous Patton Oswald bit where he explains, you know, you love Boba Fett, one of the coolest characters in Star Wars in George Lucas. It's like, yeah, when we see him in the prequels, he's a kid. Like... You're like, what? Which is an amazing Patton Oswald riff. But to your point about Return of the Jedi, Boba Fett and Return of the Jedi, that was the coolest movie character of all time when you were seven. That was... Am I crazy? Like, was that not like, who is this and what is their deal? I do think that there is a degree to which he, like, gets... The Star-like pit. He gets embarrassed. Exactly. It happens real early. But we know he survives. Now we know. Yeah. He always survives. He's nothing, yeah. But I love him. I love Boba Fett. It was one of the... It was also kind of like the mystery. There were... As much as they gave you in Star Wars, there were still mysterious characters. Like, Bounty Hunters. What do they do? What if I said he was really like an exploration of male frailty, you know, and just the idea of, you know, unable to really express yourself hiding behind the mask, you know, using tools to make yourself seem more powerful. He is but a man. Is he not? He's but a man. The son, the clone son of his clone. That's exactly right. Which I didn't know when I was seven. And I'm not sure I like the degree that they're playing that character. Boba, he was just a clone. An unaltered clone of me. Very normal. It's very normal. Let's say they cloned you. Yeah. Oh, crazy. I think that would be unwise for everyone because don't the clones like get itchy? Like, aren't they even meaner versions? It's like a way mode. So no one needs that, right? There's definitely like a... Yeah, there's an aggression. No one needs like, you know, other mommy Amanda. But like, it already exists. But imagine it like at the next level. But would you say this is my son or my daughter? If it was a pure clone of you? No. You wouldn't say that? No. I would try to nuke it. You know, there could only... You're gonna kill the clones? There can only be one me. Yeah. It's immediately a threat to me. Wow. That's some crazy like Ellen Ripley shit. True. You know what? The other day, this is not specifically about clones, but it is about autonomous, you know, like fleets of things. I was standing not in a crosswalk, but it was a was trying to cross Hollywood Boulevard by my house. And a Waymo was coming. And the Waymo sensed me. Yeah, it stopped. And it stopped. And I was like, one day it won't stop. You know, like one day the software update will be like, for maximum efficiency, we have to keep going. And I'm like, that's when it gets real. But the question is, you were not using a crosswalk. So who was, who would be in the wrong in that circumstance? Me. But one day the Waymo is going to be like, I didn't see him. Well, the Waymo won't say anything. He's not a heat. Then there'll be a whole fucking cultural debate about whether or not the Waymo was right. Or whether or not you didn't. Do Waymos have feelings? You gotta consider like the Waymo's trauma and the aftermath of murdering you in the street. Like how are they going to go on Waymoing on the city? Yeah, the Waymo ended CR-mo. Wow, that's a horror movie. Well, it's time for me in the last round of a draft about the Skywalker saga to select my Skywalker family member. And I think it's fitting that we're talking about machines. Because I will be selecting Anakin's chosen son, the son he built by hand, C-3PO. Not R2. And R2. I'm about to expand my case. No, wait, Mallory, you can't keep putting plurals to just take all lightsabers and all. I can by the rules of the draft. It's up to, Sean could have said you have one. I think the people who are listening at home to the show will see this as Olim. You can't just be like, this is horse shit. Anakin built, I will limit it to C-3PO if, but I think because you could be like that. I draft the Republic. You could do that. Okay, all right. Van drafted the Force. And Wild Z drafted lightsabers. Exactly. And this has been allowed the whole time. Listen, Anakin built C-3PO. He built him. So I think at a minimum for sure, 3PO is an eligible pick. He's Anakin's son. He built him with his hands. Now I think he then adopted R2. That's the interpretation of the creator creation relationship that we're accepting here. Rey was allowed to be selected. She says out loud, I'm a Skywalker, right? And that was deemed eligible. Basically like it's my adopted family. She has the last name. Yeah. C-3PO's name is not C-3PO's family. I don't accept this. I just don't think this is valid. No one, no one who built this. Why? He built him, yes, Anakin built 3PO. But that makes him God. And this is not a Christian society. So it's not your family? Yeah, they do. Absolutely. They're the Kiber-Christian cults. So why couldn't you just say the lightsaber is a skywark? They hear a song because he crafted him to be a member of his family. But they're not family members. They're droids. Oh, well this is a little bit of like. Hello. Okay, so it's every single... That's like saying, that's like saying no pain is not a member of your family. It's every single ship. It's a little chipper. It's a little racer. What do you do? No, no, because it's about the nature of the relationship. Do you think they can do something like family? He's like a brother or son. Fuck no, yeah. I think he treats them like shit. Not R2. R2 and Anakin? That's a tight bond. R2 and Anakin is a tight bond. There's also not who you drafted. I'm trying to draft both of them. 3PO and R2 together as a dogged member of the skywark family. Why did you start with C-3PO? Because he built him by hand. And he didn't build R2 by hand? No, R2 gave him via Padme. I could argue that. That's just like, he got a gift. That's like, Padme is like, here's a robot. It's a story about found family. And those are the local relations. I don't think he would allow any of us to try this earlier. Now the answer is no. So why don't you try and pick up the new skywalker that you knew you were going to have to draft? I've got one more thing to attempt here. I'm not done yet. Okay, let's see. Let's delete 3PO from the screen that we're all looking at. Listen, I believe that 3PO and R2 should have been eligible. I actually think it's a shame to get through the draft without any droids on the board. You could have asked me beforehand if they were, and I would have told you no. But you told Amanda that Rey wasn't eligible and that Rey was eligible. I mean, I have a long partnership that's full of lies. Your word is nothing. This is a very different story. That's how it survives. I think that I should have been allowed to make the pick, however, okay. But let me say something that is irrefutable, which is that- This is gamesmanship. She started with something she knew was going to get rejected so that we accepted this thing. We'll see. No, no, no, no. Go ahead. I'm not afraid. Anakin was conceived by the Midichlorians. They are his father. That is canon. Absolutely not. That is canon. That's like saying, no. I'm having so much fun right now. I'm back in college. That is canon. It's like- You guys are- Okay, that's a violation of canon if you say that that can't be. Midichlorians are also an inanimate object. They are not a corporeal form on the earth. Why does that matter? They're family member. Why is an inanimate object- You guys said the Midichlorians are alive. What are you talking about? They're alive. They're alive. Definitely. What are they? They're like- They're little sim- They're little things that exist in symbiotic ways. Anakin has the highest Midichlorian count and he was conceived- That was like- It's their atoms? Why Ganjin says conceived by the Midichlorians? That is canon. Does he not have parents? According to who? Shmi and the Midichlorians. Who are the parents of Midichlorians? Now, I could also argue that it's actually- Who are the parents of Midichlorians? What are their names? Why does that matter? Well, explain how they're- Why are they hiding? Why are they hiding? Why won't they come forward? You know what would have been interesting? It would be interesting if you'd have chose Palpatine because some people say that it was actually Palpatine. Well, that's- There's some comics canon that supports no- The Midichlorians to actually create- But what if- But he used- Not eligible. He used the Midichlorians. Can we- Can you just draft Shmi's Godwalkers so that like- I think this is horseshit. That's insane. What is the X- You misplayed the game. No, no, no. I'm fine with Shmi. That's fine. I told you yesterday I'd be fine with Shmi. I don't understand genuinely why the Midichlorians are not eligible. Midichlorians are not a person. This is family member. This is meant to be a person. Midichlorians are alive. Why? I don't understand this. They may not be alive. They are not a person. If we ever see Midichlorians- It doesn't say person. It says family member. Right, that's not a family member. That's not a family member. Corbin, Anakin father. Even by the definition of found family. No, it's an Anakin father. You had a much better argument than the Star Wars canon. I also believe I should have been allowed to select. This is a deep, deep dividing line because any person who comes forward and says I stand with mal on this, I don't ever want to talk to you. I just think this is a violation of canon. And I think it's a shallow narrow view of what family is. 3PO not being eligible is tragic. What a meaningful bond that spans the entire saga. Star Wars is an entire saga about bloodlines. And it's kind of weird. And even the Midichlorian stuff when they're testing his blood. I was like, what is going on here? This is a little strange. Oh, I got steals the blood. And many of our problems with Rise of Skywalker are that they reintroduced the bloodline stuff into what was like an opening of- You're making my point for me. The problem with Rise of Skywalker is that it once again all had to be just about Palpatine and Skywalkers and those two names. I am trying to combat the crimes of Rise of Skywalker by broadening our view and our understanding of what family is. And the bond that you would make with the droid like R2. We're choosing to build and bring 3PO to the world. The Midichlorian does not have personhood. Period. It's over. Family. You don't think droids and Star Wars are people? No, they're not. Somehow we did enough debating. Terrible. Disagree. When life forgets and Star Wars. Wait, we're done in a couple of times. I'm fine with me. You guys actually done a couple of times. I'm fine with me. You made a valiant effort. But your mock outrage over your bad idea will not be held up in this court. It's not mock outrage. Droid and Star Wars are main characters. Of course they are. They were eligible in other categories. Not in Skywalker family member because they're not people. Of course they are family members. Wait, wait. You don't think a pet is a family member? I would have actually. No, actually. I can't trap him with this. I would have entertained it if you had brought it to the table beforehand and discussed it with you. I don't know where I would have gone. But things that are not alive are definitely not on the table. Yeah, like in that sense. Is it so nice? Anakin's tie fighter, a family member then. Like because it's not the way he thinks. So he thinks of that as a tool. I don't know how tight relationships with some of his ships. Yeah, he does. Right. And it's Saber. Anybody bring that up? The Saber is by your definition. And that's about the Kyber crystal. Oh, the Kyber crystal kind of is a little bit of that. But he's saying R2, you're my brother. 3PO, I built you with my hands. He never says that, does he? Through his actions. Okay. Yeah, you heard a show. Don't tell. There's really no evidence that he identified them as family members. They should not tell. Not true. Not true. Well, he definitely loves Archie D. Yeah, it's his best. That's totally different. You know what I love? All my Blu-rays. They're not alive and they're not in my family. I think if you hold every listener in the big picture. Let's get out of here and go. Can we meme that one? Yes, so we have it in the reference. He says, every listener of the big picture would say, if you said, does Sean consider Blu-rays family members? They would say yes. He does not consider them animate objects. I'm saying for the record, as the owner of said Blu-rays, they're not in my family. Yeah. All right. Easy pick for me. Amanda Phantom is. No, I already have. I already gave her a Phantom. I did that like 20,000 minutes ago. And I said that that was better than receiving Rise of Skywalker, which is what you got. So I got the bad movie instead of the evil movie. You have to curse. Congratulations to Rise of Skywalker for its big picture evil movie. I have to curse you with the movie that I don't really hate that much. You have to curse me. After curse you. Yeah. After curse you with Solo. That's fine. Yeah. I mean, is that the last one on the board? No. No. I have not been cursed yet. There are a few of them. Revenge of the Sith. Oh, you can't curse anybody with that. And Force Waker. That's that shit. Yeah. But it would be more of a curse for me. I'll tell you that. Revenge of the Sith would be more of a curse for me. Much rather than watch Solo and Revenge of the Sith. You already made the pick. I already made the pick. I'm good with the pick. Like he's wrong. But yeah, I'm going to curse him with Solo. Solo, you know, whatever. You are. I can't curse you with Revenge of the Sith. I like the movie too much. This is my weakest pick, but I don't fully understand the character. So yeah, this is my weakest pick. You feel differently about the movies than the other people do. So what is a curse to us is not a curse to you. I have Solo ranked number eight. So it's not it's not my favorite movie, but it's certainly not in the bottom. For clarity, the game theory is that some categories have scarcity and some categories have too many options. I feel you. Right. So Shmi, someone was always going to get Shmi. Well, she probably was sitting there for two hours being like when I pull out C3PO Oh my God. By the same time someone was always going to get cursed with a movie that someone else thinks is pretty cool. I think it's cool. Yeah. We don't have Star Wars without Shmi. Just throw that out there. We do not have Star Wars without Shmi. I will let you have it. This is also the theme of the Da Vinci code, but for sure the Bible. Yeah. All right. Yeah. What is the theme of Shmi deeply wronged by Qui-Gon? It was like I'm just gonna leave here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel pretty good about the Shmi pick. Okay. So you've got Solo as your curse pick. Yep. Amanda has to curse me. I have to curse now. She's the only one who hasn't cursed anyone and the only one who hasn't been cursed. The two films that are left on the board are Revenge of the Sith and the Force Awakens. Just FYI, two movies I love. Yeah. I mean. I mean, it's a big win for Mal. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just not going to give in to you on the Sith stuff. Yeah. So I really like both of the movies. So I'll do Force Awakens, which you know. Now I've got Kylo on my team in some capacity. For real. There we go. Great. Is that the final pick? No. C.R. has his vehicle. Right? I think I'll do. I'm gonna do Luke's Lance Beater from New Hope. The one that he's tooling around in. Isn't that ineligible because Amanda picked Speeders? But she picked the ones from Return of the Jedi. So any. She picked a specific speeder though. She did. She picked Speeder bikes. Yeah. Speeders. Yeah. The lands, the desert lands. So that pick is in, right? That pick is in. That's final. No one picked the Star Destroyers? Ah, I think they're okay. They're cool the way they start to move these. Iconics. Yeah. Are they even like, do they have any handling? They're like the pressure to reach other. There's a space battleship. They're cool. They're cool. We saw them get fucked up and rise the Skywalker. Yeah. Yeah. I mean they get fucked up sometimes there, but they're kind of indicative of what the empire is. There's like big cock shows. I like Gold Leaders thing. I can't remember what that's called. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I didn't take Boba, I wanted to take Slave 1. I always thought that was a really cool ship. Had to be Rianne. Slap. Jesus Christ. I'll play one anymore. They had to rename it in recent years. What are they called? Thank you. It's a fucking spaceship. Talking about Chipper Jones over here. You're talking about I Love Slave 1. What did they rename it? How do you feel about Slave 2? Like, so. I think they called, yeah. The Fire Spray. John Stoll. They really don't call it that? Benionford Ways to the West. That's not for long time. They woked up Star Wars. So the Walkers, also other vehicles that are. Walkers are here. Or AT-ATs. AT-ATs. Like AT-ATs. Yeah, didn't get. Zach, my husband. And was sure that you guys would immediately go for the AT-ATs. I did. I think my dad was going to be surprised. I had to buy four people with some strength. Well, this was related not to spoil Mando, but this was the AT-AT situation at the beginning of Mando. I was like, what's going on here? Interesting. God, you're so sad. If you had taken Death Star in Wildcard, or in Vehicle instead of Wildcard, you could have taken Droids. We would have taken the Death Star. We would have taken the Death Star. We would have taken the Death Star. We would have taken the Death Star. We would have taken the Death Star. We would have taken the Death Star. You could have taken Droids, and we would have some fucking Droids on the board. You could have taken a real Skywalker instead of trying to make an animate object since you're family members. I have the mother who allowed the entire canon of Star Wars. Right. And that's how you've spoken about her, as do the rest of the Star Wars fandom. This is great. Yeah. OK, so let's see. There's many honorable mentions we can go through here. Do you want to talk through some of them? I'll just say that I had Uncle Owen as a problematic character. OK, say more. He was hiding a child. Yeah, I'm sure. Why was he doing that? Didn't want to let Luke be who he was. Wato, not selected on the problematic character. Wato, one assumes would have been pretty high up there. So good. Yeah, so I'm looking at great things. Maybe problematic? The fucking terrorists. He was like, are you good guys? But he's... Fire me in place. Well, he's a really interesting contender. Do you need one of the examples of the ways Star Wars can be interesting? Right. That's like a confrontation with what your idea of revolution is. I like that. Right. I mean, I fuck with him, but like, let's be honest, saw loss at a certain point, right? It's he. Yes, they communicate. He went over the line. Crennix a good villain. Crennix a good villain. Maul. Not taken. He had no Darth Maul. Well, nobody took Mace. Nobody's a Qui-Gon, right? Qui-Gon is still here. Nobody took Stormtroopers as a wild card. Again, nobody's taking droids as a wild card. Stormtroopers is a very surprising. Stormtroopers. Stormtroopers. Nobody picked Poe or Finn. Nobody picked Chewbacca. Chewbacca not being picked is tough. I like Chewbacca. That's on you guys. But I don't really know what's on his mind. I think if we had hero and villainous two categories, Chewie would have been selected, certainly, as a hero. Do you know what if Chewbacca the entire time is like, God, it sucks. It's actually super tough when I get asked to do Chewbacca. Because I'm like, I have to do a podcast. I can't do that to my voice. Chewie not being picked, that's tough. I don't. If I could go back, honestly, I feel like Cassian, I kind of had a little bit of a blacked out. And I was like, I don't know to pick here. I think I would have gone back and done Chewie if I could do it all. What about Snoke? Honestly, I didn't think he was that bad when I was watching Last Jedi again. I was like, this is actually pretty cool. Once again, it's a Rise of Skywalker problem at the end of the day. What about General Grievous? Grievous I thought could have been picked, certainly. Hawks could have been picked. Hawks could have been picked. They fucked that character up. In the third one, they fucked him up really bad. Certainly, yeah. That pivot too, that turn with him is terrible. I'm a good guy too. Hall of Grains? Phasma. I had the Hall of Grains messages on my I'm a wild card. That's, those were useful. Force ghosts are pretty fun. Force ghosts, that would have been good. Jedi temples could have been picked. Sure. If we were going to do any. Blasters. I was also thinking about the hero. I had Wedge in there. Sure, Wedge. One of your old guys. One of your original guys. I feel like I have Wedge on my team in a way because I have X-Wings. So that's fun. Would you have argued that I wouldn't be allowed to have Wedge since you've drafted the entire aerial? Probably. Do you think base Windu is problematic? Also. Well, he's just in the same way that Yoda fails. He's just kind of a fool. He is a fool. And he's a he's a he's a. It's the only really strong black character in the prequels and he's made to be a fool. Well, I mean, they were all fools. You know what? We call them fools, but at the same time, they are insanely powerful. Sidious is like just almost doubly powerful than what base Windu is. I mean, maybe not doubly, but like Sidious is just like a once in a lifetime dark force creation. The hubris and arrogance of the Jedi, you know, attachments bad visit. And they stopped listening to the will of the living force. And they started, they came to be kind of like bureaucrats for the Senate. So they lost their way, which is probably another reason why they weren't listening to the will of the force, which is why they probably couldn't see what Sidious is. Qui-Gon Jim was talking about, listen to the will of the living force. Like Daryl Mori, right? Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Too much faith in animals. Did you guys ever see the clip from like 15 years ago when they had Ewoks on the Today Show for Halloween, but the Ewoks showed up really drunk and then started moonwalking and on big incursions? What happened? Have you never seen this? This is the best minute of two minutes of daytime TV that I've ever seen in my life. We're like the puppeteers drunk? Or the, yeah, the Ewoks. I don't actually know what was happening. I don't know about the substance intake of the people who were in Ewok costumes, but they started misbehaving. And it's, it's really, I thought about it in Wildcard. I'm glad I took John Williams, but it's this single best like viral video of my time. John Williams was definitely a better pick for Ewcard. He made the right choice. Hold on, Ewoks. No one took back to tanks, you know? That would have been a fun one. True, Ewoks on Today Show. Cantina bands. Okay, yeah, so everybody's in their costume. Is that cutting into John Williams? How have I ever seen this? John was never got picked? John was, yeah. Tusken Raiders? Would you have considered Tusken Raiders problematic characters? I had them, I had them on my problematic list, yeah. John was a problematic? The way they're treated, yes. Yeah. Sterminated. Yeah. Why are they doing this? So a speeder and speeder bike, that's fine. Speeder and speeder bike. I think there's two different vehicles. Interesting. You don't think there's two different vehicles? Interesting. Like one you ride, you straddle. There's like a swing and wide back, right? Wow, I've ever seen this. They were fighting, oh here's where he went. You know what I was thinking about taking in Wildcard? What the fuck? What's going on? What's going on on the Today Show? What do you think Boba, but the Mandalorian armor? Moss Isley's spaceport. The Wildcard. A lot of great planets, specific. I mean, no one took, maybe it was my specific. No one took Tentative 8. We don't have rights to air NBC content on our airwaves. No one took Tatooine. It's really funny. I was going to take ILM. Still would have been a good U pick. It would have been a dorky pick, but it would have been like that. George Lucas. Yeah. Could have gone into Wildcard. Couldn't go into the Wildcard. What's all George up to? Aside from opening a museum. Well, I think that seems like it. I've heard nice things about that. Oh good, okay. I'm excited to go there. Can't wait. That's what they say. Yeah, but they've said that many times. On Essie's campus, right? Yeah. Colleging. He won't go. He won't go to the museum. I'll check it out. Sure. Okay. I like museums. You think he has a nice life? George Lucas? Yeah. I think he has among the best lives. What is he, up $6, $7 billion or something like that? I'm not sure. Does any owned most of Marin County? Is that a fact? I mean, no, it's not. But, and it's probably through various LLCs. If he does. I'd like to go to Skywalker Ranch. Same. Same. Would you go? Absolutely. Yeah, sure. I'd like to, there's other ranches I'd like to visit first. Yeah. Well, Dutton obviously. Taylor's Ranch in Texas. Oh yeah. Like what, like 600 acres or something? It's like half-tact. Let's slow down for a second. You and Taylor are sitting together. Yeah. Two men. Trying to come up with a new idea for Star Wars. Now that's something. And it's about how women have gotten a little ahead of themselves. Star Wars. The movie will be awesome. That's actually me and Taylor sharing. His movie will be awesome. I'm not against it. $5.2 billion. Yeah, his movie will be awesome. His movie would actually be awesome to me. It would, it would, it would scan all the people. I'd watch all of the Star Wars films for this podcast, except for Attack of the Clones, which I didn't get to. What if, what if he made a lioness in space and your son was like, I need that? I need to watch that or I need to be a lioness or I need a lioness in my life. Oh, well, I'll tell you what. A lioness in your life will do wonders for you. Okay. I think. I'm raising them. I'm raising both my sons to appreciate strong women. So that's amazing. Quick question for Sean. Wait till they meet Beth Dutton. Interesting. Wait till they meet Beth Dutton. Sean, there are five directors that are worth over a billion dollars. James Cameron. Can you name them? That's one. Steven Spielberg. Steven Spielberg. That's George Lucas. Three. Five directors that are worth over a billion dollars. Personal net worth. And net worth is over a billion. Can I ask what your sourcing is on this? I'm looking at this article that's from businessinsider.com. Okay. Well. Is Tyler Perry one of them? Yes. Tyler Boucher, right? That's a good one. This was from December 19th, 2025. So it's fairly recent. One billion dollars. There's another. This is a person who is a filmmaker second. Is it going to be like Brad Bird or something? It's a this is a big gigantic director that directs a big gigantic property. Cameron, we said Lucas, we said Tyler Perry, we said and Steven Spielberg. I wouldn't have thought about this guy. There must have been something in this. So it's a man you're saying. Yeah. It won't let women direct films either. It's not the little fair. They just won't let women have a billion dollars. Is that really the issue? That's all that's true. Gosh, it's got to be so obvious that it's. It's not that obvious because when I saw that I was actually surprised, but it makes sense when you think about it. When I saw it, I was actually surprised. Well, I was like, huh, he has that much bread, but it must have been in the deal for these movies that he made that he had some kind of crazy back end or first dollar girls. That like Todd Phillips, is it? Okay. I feel good that it's not Jack. Do you know? We were going to guess JJ Abrams. No, no, no, it's Peter Jackson. I was. Oh, damn it. Oh, when you said it. Of course. Yeah. Like when I saw that, I was like. Because I don't know what the structure of his deal was. He also has Weedah or whatever the weather. The weather. He's got the Hobbit movies and so he's made a lot of money and done a lot of stuff. Yeah. Peter Jackson. Interesting. Great. I love trivia like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's wonderful. Okay. How many of you guys have a billion dollars? None of us. Sadly. No. Working on it. Yeah. Not yet. What if we put all of our wealth together? Could we buy the Skywalker Ranch? I don't think so. No, probably couldn't even buy a teacup. Yeah. I don't think we could buy the Skywalker Ranch. Tail lasers. Yeah. How does everyone feel? You ready to recite your picks? Yes. I feel like I started strong. I wobbled in the middle and finished fine. I'll go with it. I feel like I did pretty good. I feel like there are a couple of choices in there that like, yeah, whatever. I think you guys brought great creativity to the categories. I feel like I kind of was. Some of us maybe too much. Well, one tried. I tried. All right. I tried. I'll read mine first since I picked first. In movie, I selected the Empire Strikes Back. In Skywalker Family Member, I picked a living person named Princess Leia. In Hero or Villain, I chose Ben Solo, aka Kylo Ren. In the movie I was cursed with, I received Attack of the Clones from Mallory. That's right. In Vehicle, I chose Darth Vader's Tie Fighter, which is called the Tie Advanced X-1. In Problematic Character, I picked Newt Gunray, who runs the Trade Federation, who is a terrible stereotype. And in Wild Card, I chose one of my favorite characters of all time, Boba Fett. Mel? Pretty good. In movie, I selected A New Hope. As my hero in Hero or Villain, I selected Obi-Wan Kenobi. My Wild Card, Lightsapers, Problematic Character, Jar Jar Binks, I received from Amanda not really a curse. Thank you. Star Wars, The Force Awakens, My Vehicle, X-Wings. If you made me pick specifically, it would be Red V, Luke's T-65, but X-Wings more broadly. And then my Skywalker Family Member is the matriarch who allowed us as pop culture fans as lovers of story to talk about this at all. Shmi, thank you. Thank you. Honestly, don't remember this person. Okay. Van, you're third. Pretty good. Darth Vader and Hero of Villain probably should have took him to Skywalker. Malinium Falcon, The Vehicle, The Force and Wild Card, Ray Skywalker, Skywalker Family Member, Return of the Jedi, a movie, felt like that was a steal. Darth Sidious, a groomer of children, a liar, and Problematic Character, and was cursed with just a fucking whammy. Yeah, boy. Star Wars, The Rise of Skywalker. I have fucking hurts. In Skywalker Family Member, I have Han Solo. In movie, I have The Last Jedi. In Problematic Character, I have the elder person in the age gap relationship and also questionable leadership tactics from Padme, Amidala. Wild Card, I have John Williams Vehicle. I have Speeder Bikes, Hero or Villain. I have Yoda. And then I was cursed with the Phantom Menace, which I think is quite poor. So that was effective. In Skywalker Family Member, I took Luke Skywalker. In movie, I took Rogue One. In Wild Card, I took the Death Star. In movie, I've been cursed with. I was given Solo, a Star Wars story. Hero or Villain, I took Cassie and Andor. Problematic Character, I took the man who needs a Rico charge, Jabba the Hutt. And in vehicle, I took Luke Speeder from A New Hope that he drives around the desert in. Fun stuff. Fun. Only question about the presentation of it is like, because the swap on the movie we were cursed with. So we're just going to do graphic design now. Well, I am curious about this because like, I think Rise of Skywalker, where Sean chose to hit Van with it was like part of, I think, the power of the pick. Like, it looks like a really high pick. And now it's at the end. You should have like a little fuzzy mic. Same with Phantom Menace. Same with Phantom Menace. And you just walk people through everybody's pick and then do an extended monologue about why you tried to pick both a pile of metal. It doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect me. A pile of metal. The droids are indelible and extricable from the spirit of Star Wars. Rise of Skywalker. As competitive and obnoxious as I am through all of these experiences, I don't not know the winner of any of the last 10 drafts. Like, I literally couldn't name them. So while I do respect your concern for clarity in terms of the picks, we've kind of evolved beyond winners, losers, victors. Feel great. I agree. Had a blast. This was a good one. This was a great one. Thank you guys. What fun. Star Wars. Pretty cool. Mando and Grogu, we will just do this all over again immediately after its release. And we just don't know the plot of this movie or like even the log line. I think that we do now because of what we saw. They're hunting Imperial remnants, right? They're trying to get a warlord. What's the log line? That may come up. I don't want to spoil it for anybody who's excited about the film. How's the Doomfate trailer? I didn't like it. Oh, oh, no. But that doesn't mean other people won't like it. That's upsetting. Yeah. You do read about it? I read a little bit. Did you read about it? Yes. Did you watch it? It's not available. I thought that they, oh, they didn't. They haven't seen it. They didn't at least it? They haven't run these to yet. Okay. It doesn't do anything you really haven't seen before? Is Downey's accent good? I don't think he spoke. You don't think he spoke either? Or if he does, it's very quiet. I didn't know if it was like high Latvian or, you know, like kind of a new take on it or what? You mean like, did you sound like Roger Rabbit or something? I mean, I look forward to both of your thoughts and yours as well, Chris. It's okay. Will you be seeing Doomsday? I will be seeing Doomsday. Will you see it in Dune on the same day? Sure. If it comes to that, yeah. Will you pay the Infinity Vision upcharge? Oh, yeah, for sure. I've been looking forward to a new way of watching Marvel movies. I read it's roughly $300 more than your average ticket. Is that okay? Yeah. Okay. Any closing thoughts? Just great to share Star Wars with friends. Truly. Yeah. This is the way it should be done. Really hope Mando movies good and that they let Grogu shine in the way that they're a master. And then what's next after Mando? We just don't know. Starfighter. Starfighter. Starfighter. Next year, right? With the biggest star in the world. Won't have to wait long, so that's exciting. But like no more shows. Oh, we're getting a second season of Ahsoka. Pretty soon. Oh, yeah. That's right. Is that the last one that's in production? To my knowledge. They're doing it right now. I mean, the mall show is on right now. Shadow Lord. So the animated shows continue and they're excellent. The mall show is really good. Really good. It is. Thank you guys for making the time for this. You can listen to Van Leethan on Seven Pods. Yeah, a lot of podcasts. Now I can hear you on House of War and other pods. CR. Is this your first pod? Yeah, this is pretty exciting. I've been wondering what it's all about. We're all natural things. It's really exciting. Amanda, where do we find you? Just catching up on all of these tabs. I have opened the tabs are Chronological Order, Skywalker Family, What Does Saga Rara Do, and Drunk Ewoks on Today Show. So if you need me. All good queries. I can't wait to see your algorithm next. The next time you see Amanda, she will be on this feed talking about the Devil Wars Prada 2. And so for all that cluster about the Phantom Menace. Have you seen it? No. As of this recording, I don't know when this is airing because we might be doing a little future recording here. Well, I've seen it when people are listening to this. You will. Okay. Well, and I'll be there for it. I have my outfit ready, so that's all that matters. I think we're seeing it at a Burbank AMC. So I don't know what you need to wear. Oh, I see. Okay. I'll be dressing up for the screening. Is that something that I do? You should do that. Let's do that. You should. Yeah, I'll be in a ball gown. Thanks so much to Jack Sanders. Thanks to Lucas Kavanaugh. Thanks to everybody at home. We'll see you next Friday for the Devil Wars Prada 2.