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So not Jeremy White's fault. I'm going to use myself in the third person. It's Jeremy Fowler's fault guys. So we're back. Well, welcome back. We're back talking, you know, bills off season. How are you gentlemen? I'm great. I'm great. I'm excited that a week from today, literally like almost to the hour, the legal tampering period opens and player movement will start to happen. And we can start to get a real picture of what this 2026 roster is going to look like. So one more week of getting ready. We'll see. Maybe there'll be some moves along the way. There's been some activity early this week already, but the speculation will soon be over. Exactly, man. We got to see some trades. I guess Houston feels they're just going to get rid of the whole entire offensive line. They couldn't fix it. they couldn't fix it. So like, you know, Texas hold them, just throw all the, you know, draw five, throw all the cards back in and pick five more. So they're in the move. I mean, obviously David Montgomery's gotten traded. I mean, lots going on. This is the week guys. I mean, we know that this is the week after the combine, we're going to start seeing a lot of moves. I guess we're kind of waiting a little bit with bated breath to see what happens with Dawson Knox and maybe some other contract redos. I mean, obviously the Spencer Brown one's been done, but nothing else. So it's been you know it's been pretty quiet in western new york more to do and as you mentioned that jerry this week albert breer says that max crosby it could be this week and lists the teams that are monitoring the situation he did list the bills so maybe if there's movement it happens before we actually get to free agency so the teams that are making those moves know like listen joe this would make sense to me let's decide to get this deal done before we're out there signing free agents because if i get the crosby deal done brandon bean or anybody then i know my approach maybe in the defensive end market is going to be a lot different than if I lose the Crosby sweepstakes. So to me, the, this week as a timeline would make total sense. If you're going to trade for Max Crosby, you want to get that done as quickly as possible, because if you're wanting to add a player like that, you're probably interested in other options as well on the free agent market. And so you'd want that first domino to fall. That way you can then either get Max Crosby and adjust or not get Max Crosby and adjust. So I can certainly see the appeal and that type of stuff getting done. And we're certainly getting close. I remember a few years ago, like, it was the Joe Flacco trade to Denver. That happened like in January. The Matthew Stafford, Jared Goff trade was, was like super early and just had to wait it out. But we're close enough now where I, you know, obviously it's starting to happen already. So maybe, maybe we'll get that news this week as well. Wouldn't you think Joe, if we do make a move for Max Crosby, maybe some pieces that are on the defensive line right now will be headed out the door. I'm trying to see where he fits. He's not an outside linebacker. We paid a guy last year to be the starter at the end. Maybe some pieces move out the door if the Bills are the team to win the quote-unquote theoretical Max Crosby sweepstakes. I just feel like he's not going to get moved. He's not. That's where I am. I just don't think it's going to happen. I mean, you saw Kubiak win a Super Bowl with Seattle, he sees what's going on. I mean, his best deal is to stay there and get into that new defense and play it out. I don't see him moving either. Yeah, I'm ready to be wrong on that too. He's working out at the facility. He's talking about his relationship with Tom Brady. This is not ugly. This is not the Niners haven't talked to Brandon Ayuk in 12 months. This is they say hi to Crosby every day. So we'll see. Maybe someone comes in with an offer and kind of like knocks their socks off. Maybe there's going to plane it up to do that. We'll see. You know, on the rest of it, free agency, we're going to get there a week from today. And maybe on the show next week, guys, we're live breaking news, covering signings, covering, I guess not signings, but legal tamperings and agreements on deals. So Jeremy Fowler reports that the Bills are aggressively looking to fix their receiver situation, which I think no one would be surprised by. Rashid Jaheed, Romeo Dobbs, and it looks like Pickens and Pierce will be off the market. Pickens franchise tag and for Pierce the Colts have said that they plan on bringing him back that could be a transition tag maybe it's a franchise tag who knows so Dobbs and Shahid are the two biggest names we know will hit the market the other I guess is Mike Evans and I'm trying to figure out how the Romeo Dobbs idea works and I realize like guys I don't want to be a hypocrite I'll sit here and all day tell you that do what you want on the cap it's nothing to worry about and how badly they need receiver and how they should have a veteran but they already have so much money committed to the position I would be really nervous about a four-year deal for Dobbs you tell me one year Mike Evans 21 million I'm into that they're all void year whatever get that cap number down but if I'm locking in the way that I've locked in the last two middle class receivers Curtis Samuel Josh Palmer I feel like I've been getting burned in this market and I'm I'm wary of doing it again because the bills they need help obviously and Dobbs would be help I'm just worried about getting like boxed in too much yeah it's it's kind of disappointing to be back in this in this space where we're discussing a mid-tier wide receiver investment and hoping that it solves everything and obviously there's a lot to learn about Josh Palmer I I do feel like a lot of that was just he couldn't stay healthy and you know maybe that's That's also a concern is that he can't stay healthy. And, of course, we know Curtis Samuel couldn't stay healthy. But there's no doubt in my mind Romeo Dobbs would help this wide receiver core. He's a good player. And there's a lot of his skill set that I really like in terms of route running. There's verticality. He's a get bucket type player. And that's a lot like what I said about Josh Palmer last offseason. And, obviously, it's like the defensive line conversation where, of course, they've invested, but they haven't gotten it right, so you just got to keep doing it. And it feels like we're right there at wide receiver and their ceiling and upside and all that with Romeo Doms, but he is probably going to be pretty expensive for a player that's never had a 60-catch season in the NFL. um i i i just i want to see this approach differently in terms of team building but i struggle to see that approach get the return like the impact that's needed right now because i feel like they need to be drafting receivers and the consequence of these types of signings is that they haven't been drafting receivers and obviously the one they did keon coleman hasn't really panned out. And so this feels like a big consequence of just some missteps along the way and building out this receiver. Well, the problem is when you're paying the quarterback that much money, Jerry's on the bill's payroll. No, I agree a hundred percent. I mean, it's a guy 59 catches in 2023 was the closest he's come to 60 catches last season. 724 yards, six touchdowns on 55 catches was available for 16 games. One thing about Dobbs I like seems to be an available player at a position we have not had much consistent availability, but I agree with you, Jeremy. You look at the situation, you keep throwing money into a sinking boat. Eventually, you've got to get a new boat. I've harped on this for quite some time. They've got to draft players, especially at that position. I wouldn't mind a free agent to go along with a high draft pick, both of them together and then make some moves to try to get this, this cap, right. But right now just to throw another bunch of money at a mid range wide out to say, Hey, we've tried to fix the position. I think that's kind of frivolous and not a very smart thing to do. You've got to start developing your own and they've got to do a better job at that. There's a little line to walk. I mean, if you want to sub in the word or the, the position defensive end in this exact same conversation, like what should they do? Should they sign up? pretty good defensive end for four years because he's the top guy on the market. You could argue that they need a starter and they need position players there. But it's going to be so interesting to see what they do. Evans is going to be really interesting. I don't know if a team will give him more than two to three years on the open market, maybe one year. Does he want to just chase a Super Bowl for a year, chase it again somewhere else? Jeremy Fowler also reporting that Mike Evans wants four things. A quarterback he believes in, check, right? Chance to win a Super Bowl, Check, you would think. A top flight offensive coordinator. I think I could say check for that. Joe Brady's had a really good offense the last couple of years with Josh Allen. Sure, I'll give that a check. And then the other is he wants high volume touches. We might wonder about that, right? I think he would get a high volume of touches if he came and joined this team, but maybe he wouldn't be convinced of that. You know, he sounds more and more like he might leave Tampa. And mercenaries, we kind of came into this offseason thinking, that mercenaries, one-year deals all over the defense, maybe at wide receiver, these could be the kind of deals that they maybe seek out where there's a one guy for $12 million instead of four years, $12 million per year, like a Palmer who was three years and nine or whatever it was. Like mercenaries. I feel like that's going to be filling holes this year. The deal with the defensive end deal is that we don't have that guy on the roster. The guy that we need at that spot, that linebacker, the outside linebacker, rush-in type guy, we don't really have on the roster. I mean, I'm trying to think. Michael Hoyt maybe is the closest thing we have to that. And I'll be interested to see what Hoyt does this offseason. Does he drop weight to, you know, to try to fit into this defense a little more, keep the weight that he had. But we need to find somebody as far as a veteran presence at that spot because we really don't have one. Hoyt's the closest thing we do. And you still do need a backup. But, again, you've got to draft as well. But that's, I think, a little bit different than this wideout position where we have a bunch of those guys and we still don't have the young guys developing and coming along. The one thing that really stands out about Mike Evans' checklist is that I don't know that Tampa checks a lot of those boxes as I've continued to really put out there that Tampa's fiercely loyal with their players. Guys stay there forever. And Mike Evans is certainly a legend of their overall organization. And I don't think they have a top-flight offensive coordinator in Zach Robinson. I think there's a lot of questions about him. in terms of volume of targets. I mean, they just drafted a Buka in the first round. They paid Godwin. McMillan looks like a good young receiver. They have Tess Johnson. I mean, he'll probably get run, but I mean, I think the volume component would be more significant in Buffalo. And so maybe he does shake loose. Tampa, they were a team that has won that division many years in a row until this year, but was it just a consequence of that not being a very good division? And they were able to kind of stay on top of it. Like, is Tampa a team that's truly a contender? Baker Mayfield's got to bounce back. So maybe he does hit the market. And I would, what I would like about Mike Evans is, you know, he's, he's been a dude. He's a, he's a very good separator. I think he immediately gives you everything you want in the X receiver, which I think Dobbs would as well, but that slippery slope of, of committing, you know, a pretty significant contract to Dobbs over multiple years and being worried about the return on that, I think would be mitigated because of the short-term nature of Mike Evans. But at the end, that's the trade-off is it's probably a short-term option. Now Shahid is another name here. He's maybe faster, more over the top. Dobbs is a lot younger. So Jeremy Fowler talking about these two guys specifically, Dobbs is 25, about to be 26. So if, again, like if they were to do this, I'd probably find my way to like, all right, well, they're better, but I'm going to want you to draft somebody because everything is so expensive at receiver and it's costing you elsewhere. And maybe, you know, by this time next year, whoever you draft grows into a role and you move on from a Josh Palmer. I'm going to ask you one more defensive question because I got a call this morning on WGR, a guy asking about trading for Justin Jefferson. Everyone's shooting for the moon for Justin Jefferson, and that's fine. Like, hey, why not? And the caller asked about the idea of trading Ed Oliver and his fit in this defense. I want to get both of you on this because I think that in the next month and a half, we will see Ed's name in trade rumors consistently, whether it's a good idea or not, Because he's an asset that might fetch you something, right? Is he a fit? How do you see him fitting in what Jim Leonard wants to do? Is it silly to talk about this? Like we thought it was silly to talk about a Dawkins trade? Or is Ed something that, you know, if the price is right, you could see it? I don't really find myself concerned about the fit. I know that you would think of Ed Oliver as a penetration style three technique, but he could play this four role that Zach Allen was terrific at with the Denver Broncos And I think at Oliver a probably more not probably he definitely a way more dynamic athlete than Zach Allen similar size and length Think about Milton Williams with the Patriots. That guy's awesome, right? I think there's a similarity to the way that Ed Oliver plays, Kobe Turner with the Rams. So there's a very clear path to this role and how Ed Oliver fits in. And he played in a nod front at Houston. He was actually a nose tackle, but he played, he's used to that type of that surface and that structure and that spacing and, you know, those assignments. So I really don't believe that Ed Oliver is not a fit. If you wanted to get into, okay, tradable asset, we're gutting the defense, he's a McDermott guy, okay, that's a little bit more interesting. But the idea that he doesn't fit, like his skill set doesn't work, I'll push back hard on that all day long. My biggest issue with Ed Oliver is, is he available? I mean, we've had a lot of injury out of him the last couple of years, missing time with hamstring injuries, and this year the multiple big injuries, the surgery on the biceps tendon, that's where I have concern. As far as fitting in this defense, I think he'll kill it. I think he'll be really good at that four-eye spot, especially when you get a big nasty nose guard next to him to eat up blocks and let him get more one-on-one. This is his type of deal. I think he will excel and do really well in this. My problem with Ed Oliver is you're gambling on this injury thing now. I mean, we're at this point in his career, six, seven years, six, seven, and you know, we're, you know, where is his durability? Is he going to be okay? Now, one thing that I'm excited about is he's had a whole, I know he's been nursing injuries, but he's had a whole season of football off basically. So he didn't take a beating this year. He did have to get healed up, but he's got that, you know, one less season under his belt. So no, I think he's going to be fine. I think the biggest question mark is, and Joe had talked about it, we had talked about it before, is where do you fit him in this contract stuff? Do you extend him? Do you rework his deal or do you let him play it out? So I think that's more of anything. Bill Squad Show here. You can drop us a line. We'll get to comments and questions later in the show. I have a Packers guest coming up in about 10 minutes as well, Peter Bukowski of Lockdown Packers to talk to us about Romeo Dobbs, who hits free agency and if he would be a good idea for any team out there looking to add a receiver. So that's coming up in about 10 minutes. When we get back, the full list of players the Bills met with at the Combine. We'll get into that and see if we learn anything and some other Combine news and notes, including Joe Marino's win on our Cardinal tape. I checked the transcript and you won, kind of. It's coming up next here on the Bill Squat Show. this episode of bill squad is brought to you by fan duel that's right fan duel college basketball is non-stop big games tight spreads momentum swings every single night from early tip-offs to late night west coast shootouts always action on the board and now fan duel is giving you a way to turn that energy into even bigger potential with a college basketball parlay profit boost you can build any college hoops parlay any way you want rivalry games ranked matchups whatever fits in and make spreads totals player props to match how you see the slate playing out. You can apply the profit boost and instantly bump up the potential payout. So look at the odds. See what you like build it from there. Go safe. Go bold. Ride of the team you've been following all season. Your parlay head to Fanduel.com to get started. That's Fanduel.com Fanduel play your game. Back here on the Bill Squad show. We're going to get to who the Bills met with at the Combine. We have a working list of players, not every player, but the players that did say yes. But before that, I went back, I checked the transcript on Thursday. We made a guess on what Carnell Tate would run at the Combine. And I think we put the over under at four, five, five. And did he run a four, five, four? I mean, it was close. It was close, but you took the under a four five five and uh he went under four five five so congratulations joe you went on i think you put it at the exact right spot yeah uh so so hat tip to you as well on that i was i was thinking there was a chance he could run a little bit faster but happy to be right you know we'll take it take the jump spike the ball they get a spike itself you know how about where the combine all of a sudden is like yeah i know you're in a four five five or whatever on the on the actual lasers, but I had a couple GMs say it was a 4-4-7. Adam Schefter tweeted that out after the combine. We're officially at, Jerry, we're officially at, just do whatever you want with the combine numbers. None of it matters. The senior bowl measurements are not the same as the combine measurements on arm's length. Like, you know, do what you want. I've said this the other day. It's kind of like Buffalo wings in the city of Buffalo. Don't tell me where to go get a good wing in Buffalo. Tell me the couple places that have bad wings in Buffalo. It's the same thing at the combine don't keep telling me who's had good numbers everybody has good numbers at the combine anymore just tell me the two or three that don't and um yeah i mean it's just these numbers are running me things are doing i mean it's expected they've been it's specifically trained now i mean just the way it goes yeah well and you're also you're also in a spot where guys that won't run fast don't run anymore so right i had three years in a row where no defensive back runs a 4-6, that's because the guys that would run a 4-6 don't run. I won a 4-6. It was 4-5. Oh, okay. 4-5. Yeah. Joe, do you have something? If you're going to run slow, only run once, right? So save that to your pro. I just assume if you don't run and you're healthy, that something's wrong. You're not fast. That's the assumption that I start to make. And what was it? It was the fastest combine at every single position except for quarterback, and it was number two. Yeah. If you're not able to run fast, you're not running, which is kind of disappointing. Although they did have the first or second fastest time ever at the quarterback position since 2003 with Green. So they did have that. Watch that guy throw a football and see how his career is. He runs fast. Well, his vertical and his broad jump were out of the building as well. But, yes, you are correct. Well, we had some defenders. I mean, we had safeties go nuts, a lot of safeties to fall in love with good numbers from the safeties. All right. So who are the bills met with combine interviewees who they interviewed? Talked with one edge rusher, a couple of defensive tackles and nose tackle one corner, one three safeties rather, including Dylan Thineman. He was the guy from Oregon who went like off the charts athletically. We get to him in a moment. Jacoby Dean safety as well. And then at receiver, there were six. So maybe that's just a function of receivers are most likely to get asked. I'm sure the Bills met with some offensive linemen, but as we pointed out, the media left and probably didn't ask the same questions. But Omar Cooper Jr., Jordan Tyson, Casey Concepcion, Denzel Boston, those are four guys that are often seen in the first round, end of the first round, and then Skylar Bell and Antonio Williams as well. Skylar Bell, UConn, he's probably a day three guy, and Antonio Williams might be round two, round three. Scholar Bell's stock rose quite a bit this week at the combine. He was one of the guys who was on the rise list and a big riser at that. Yeah. In your history, guys, of tracking who they meet, we still have their pro days, their Zoom calls, their 30 visits where they bring guys in. Do you feel like you can start to see what their plan is by what you see here, or is the information a little too intermittent to make any sort of conclusions? the the big thing will be what happens in the coming weeks in free agency um and more who they bring in for the 30 visits i i do find those to be pretty telling in terms of where they want to go and i i just the bill's needs aren't hard to identify i mean no receiver guard center nose tackle edge rusher linebacker safety it's i mean i guess you could just say everything but um And who they were speaking to aligns with the perceived needs. And so we'll see what boxes being checked. He normally likes to go into the draft with at least some form of a veteran answer at every position. I'll be curious to see if he's able to pull that off this time around. Because when he doesn't and then he gets forced into a Kair Elam or a Keon Coleman, that's where this feels like the mistakes are made. Yeah, I don't think so. How about one quick note? if you were looking for a guard in free agents or interior lineman in free agency, Dalton Risner of the Bengals looks like he's back with Cincinnati. So that happens before he even hits the market. I don't know if you guys were a fan of that as an idea. But if you were, you can go ahead and exit out because he's back with Cincinnati. Jerry, you had asked me about Dalton Risner, and I think he would have been a fine get-through-a-couple-season or a season-type player. He was, what, one-year, five million to go back to Cincinnati. That's exactly what the Browns did. The Browns signed him for one year. Bengals. Yeah, Bengals. Or Bengals, right. Excuse me. Yeah. All right. Other takeaways from the combine. You got anything that you like? We got Brandon Bean talking with Pat McAfee. We got him joking that it was good that Carnell Tate ran a slow 40 times. So, you know, I probably wouldn't draft him high. I hope he dips a lot. I did see a mock draft today where Tate lasts all the way into the mid-20s, like 24. I don't know if that's going to happen. So, we'll see. safety is to me a really interesting position here guys because if you're falling in love with this an athletic profile at safety they have one in cole bishop and you know does a jim leonard defense want to add a safety early and have two guys to play together for you know four five six ten i'm a 10's a big number obviously um but play together for a long time and just go ahead and say like we have the most athletic safety tandem in the nfl because if they get a stud early i mean they might have claim to it. I mean, you could convince me that that's a good path to go. We saw the value of having a great pair of safeties and pull your hide for a long time. But if they're, if they're lingering with needs at edge rusher and, and, and receiver and they go safety, it's a, it's a little bit like the Malachi Starks conversation last year. It's like good football player. Is this the best way to optimize that pick to improve your football team? And we got a lot to learn between now and then. I feel pretty comfortable that we can find a center field single high safety that can get us through the next couple years if we need to without investing a high draft pick on one of those guys. I think they're out there. I think there's cost-effective guys out there. So I think we can do that. I think there's many more other needs. I'll be honest with you, a need area, and I've harped on it again, and I know I talked about it before, but they better watch this interior offensive line stuff that's going on, and they better address it. Linderbaum's going to get what number out there, right? Tyler Linderbaum's going to hit the open market. This is good for Conor McGovern and figuring out what he might ultimately get because Linderbaum's going to hit, is it 22? I've seen 22 million could be his number, which... It'll be over 20. Green Humphrey's the king, the AAV king right now at 18, but I think he gets 20, and if he hits the market and there's like a true bidding war, I think it could absolutely push 22 million. i've got his replacement i've got i've got lender bomb light if you want to if you want to go ahead and draft him in the draft yeah yeah who is it uh logan jones center from iowa just where tyler lender bomb came from very similar player very very athletic moves well strong explosive if we you know if we have to find one i found one what's the name again logan jones I think I was. So, yes, I was watching the combine on Sunday and I saw Mr. Logan Jones and I thought to myself, that's a 35 year old man. You looked like a corn fed boy who plays college football in Iowa. Right. Right. And what do I like in centers? Those types of dudes. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting them. And that's what Linderbaum looks like as well. For now, he looks like a 50 year old man. Right. But no, I've watched that group quite a bit this season because not only did they win the Joe Moore Award, but they've got a lot of prospects on it. And I like Logan Jones a lot. I really do. Is there like a draft prognostication for him for second, third? What do people say about him so far? I think he's probably a mid-round guy, like a late day two, early day three guy. But I think this combine and the way he came out and shined and produced the numbers he did and the way he looked really comfortable in the offensive line drills, moved well, I think his stock probably went up quite a bit. You know, that pipeline of offensive line from Iowa and Forens and stuff, that's pro-style stuff. So you come in pretty ready to go. It's just a matter of do you want a rookie center stepping into this, right? It feels like you'd want the younger player at left guard, but we'll see how it all shakes out. I agree with that. I mean, I talk about these things. I have some guards, too, that we want to draft them in the second round. I'm about for that as well. I'm ready. Who do we got? What are we looking for? And I got all the receivers ready. So you can be the guards and we're off and running. Well, obviously, if you know, Vega is my, my, my dream, right. Which will never happen, but I'd like this kid named Chase Bassani from Texas A&M, former tackle. He's, and he's got a, he's nasty. Like he's got a mean streak. But one of the things I've been thinking about is, and why I like guys like, say there's a kid at Northwestern named Caleb Tiernan, right. Tierman, who plays left tackle. I'm wondering if I've got this idea of taking a guy like him that's dropped down the board. If you draft him and bump him in their left guard, let him play left guard until he's needed a tackle. And then are you able to bump him back out once you get his feet wet and he gets inside and gets experienced? So there's a lot of things going on. But the kid from A&M is a wagon. I like this Tiernan kid. If you want to go ahead and get a flex guy that can play guard tackle. So obviously I've thought about this much longer than a lot of people has already. But, yeah, I think there's some really good middle of the draft talent in this offensive line that can definitely help us. Can Jennings Dunker go? Come on, their redhead, mullet, mustache from Iowa, is he a guy? Jennings Dunker is a right guard and will be a right guard and will play right guard and when he retires will be a right guard. That is what he is. He played right tackle at Iowa. He's limited in pass protection. He's a little robotic, stiff. But the flow is amazing. The red flow is amazing. And he is a big physical dude that will translate to guard very, very easily. It's the Bill Squad Show here talking draft prospects, free agency. We are a week away from the sort of legal tampering when teams can contact the agents for players. They can probably, you know, get a little bit of a jumpstart that through a combine weekend. Of course, also talking today about the report from Jeremy Fowler that the Bills are expected to aggressively go after receiver and that Rashid Shahid and Romeo Dobbs would be on the short list to get to. When we return, we'll talk about some more free agents, get some more ideas here and, you know, kick around how they should be building all these rooms as we approach another season. and the first in the new high mark stadium which is uh exciting the season ticket other guys if you uh if you have a whatever you got a seat in the new stadium they're sending out emails with a link to take a look at your seat which is kind of cool the stadium the run-up of the stadium they've done the least amount of virtual stuff publicly i can never remember a team doing so you had to go into that stadium experience or now you have to get your email Otherwise you just like drone shots from above Like it it it been a strange strategy but we can start to see those. I've got my seat. So anyway, that's that. That's my rant on them not doing enough digital, but didn't they just now put it on the website where you can go and look, but that just happened like last week. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And for anybody doing that. So there's a quick thing to mention. if you're in the upper deck your rendering will show you a railing in front of you and stairs that look to be a little bit in the way and throughout the process for me like getting those tickets and taking a look i expressed concern these look like they're kind of in the way but i've been in the seats and i've been to the stadium where you would be looking down on the field and can say as i was told by my rep and i saw it with my own eyes it's not as bad as it looks in the virtual so the Virtual actually overstates these railings kind of being in your field of view. So if you're panicked about that, I think you don't have to worry about it. I think it's okay. There you go. When we return, more on free agency, your comments, your questions. NFL News Today with a couple of trades. It's all coming up here on the Bill Squad Show. This episode of Bill Squad brought to you by Indeed. 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Go to Indeed.com slash podcast right now and support the show by saying you heard about it, heard about Indeed on this podcast. Indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Need to hire. This is a job for Indeed Sponsored Jobs. Back here on the Bills Squad Show, Jeremy White, Joe Marino, and the big O, Jerry Ostrowski, as the Bills get geared up for the offseason. We are waiting on a couple of restructures. We're waiting on Deion Dawkins, right? We did Spencer Brown, Dawkins, Josh Allen, waiting on a Curtis Samuel and Taylor Rapp release probably. waiting to see what they do with Tyler Bass. They could save money there too, right? I've also seen some mock drafts where the Bills go kicker and or punter, and they did meet with a couple of punters at the combine. So take that for what it's worth. But, of course, the big decision, guys, is Dawson Knox and what happens there. Pay cut. Who do you think has the true leverage here between the two? I know the team could just outright cut him, but they probably don't want to. and this is Joe you've been talking about how the Bucs are really loyal the Bills are really loyal to a select group of players and the way they talk about 17 and all the things he wants like he and 17 are close so from a leverage standpoint who's got it I think the Bills do I think the Bills can kindly box Dawson Knox into a corner because that cap hit is 17 million dollars I don't think has any guaranteed money left on his deal. And so the bills could release him and say, all right, go, go get a deal. And I think Dawson Knox would probably get between seven and $9 million a season on the open market, but then it's the open market, right? He, he would have to be satisfied with the teams that would want him. Um, maybe not a contending type team, or you could say, Hey, you know what? You can just take a pay cut and stay here and continue your career with Josh Allen. You mentioned you love Rob Boris as your tight ends coach. Well, guess what? He's back. He's a run game coordinator. We know you met your wife here in Western New York. You have a kid and 25 built-in babysitters in the area. This seems like a good spot for you. And so I think the Bills do have a lot of leverage there. And it feels like he's comfortable with the role that he fills. I don't know that he's a guy that's looking to go like, I am the tight end of this football team. I think he's pretty satisfied with what he's done. I love the way he's talked about Dalton Kincaid. So I think the Bills have a lot of leverage there. I think the bigger question is, you know, do they want to have that much tied up into another tight end? Do they think they can get comparable contributions and for that to be a pathway to go even lower in terms of what they can free from a cap perspective? So it'll be interesting to see. I kind of think he's back, but I do think that the Bills have more of the leverage than Dawson Knox. I agree. I think, you know, you look at his dead cap money, you're looking at about 7.4, 7.5 million in cap money. I mean, that's obviously not desirable, but it's not that bad if you have to eat it. So you can go ahead and release them and do what you want, especially, but the thing about this is, and I think that it goes to both sides, you know, tight ends play a long time in this league. I mean, you got Zach Ertz that's still playing. You've got Hunter Henry. You've got guys that are very comparable to Dawson Knox. So if he wants to really push the issue and really he's worried about just how much money he can make, in his career, he can go find another place and make more money than he's going to make in Buffalo if he stays. I truly believe that because that's one position that seems to have that longevity, especially him. He's not been too badly beat up. So, you know, you've got to weigh those options. I would think he wants to stay in Buffalo, be a heck of a time to leave with what's going on in the new stadium and everything else, and especially his family situation. It's been very, very well documented. So I think they get something worked out. but obviously looking at the dead cap money or anything else. I mean, the bills have the power. I mean, they can move them and that's it tends to have the vibe of an off season where there are maybe more holes to fill than previous ones and creating them by, you know, Dawkins and, and knocks these conversations. You know, I think for the three of us, they didn't really go anywhere. We have a guest here joining us host of lockdown Packers is Peter Bukowski to talk about how the bills might fill one of those holes. And Romeo Dobbs, Peter, thanks for joining us. um romeo dobbs how good of an idea is it for any team that is looking for an ex-receiver that's 25 going on 26 years old so we've got a lot a lot of runway in front of him yeah i think um if you're expecting a true blue no doubt number one receiver like that's just not what he is and that's okay because he's still a very good player i the the comparison that i like to make is if you look at what juan jennings was in san francisco um someone who when needed could be that number one guy but was really more like third down red zone gotta have it situations he could produce for you as that not even one b i would say it's more like 2a uh in that way you know green bay runs what i've called the most egalitarian offense in terms of passing offense in the nfl they're they're a ball finds energy passing game and and that's what they've been and and i think uh you look at this playoff game against the bears that of course didn't end the way that the Packers were hoping, but that was probably his best game of the season. And when they needed a receiver to step forward, he was the guy that stepped forward. And, you know, when you look at the ways that, that the bills and the Packers have, have failed in the post season over the last five, six years, it's been unfortunately remarkably similar. Um, but Romeo Dobbs in basically every playoff game he's played in has come up big for the Packers. Peter, take me back to 2024. What, what happened here where he was was he told to stay away for a game missed a couple of practices what happened well we did we did a lot of reporting about this over at the leap um because we had uh some some information on on what happened there and then you know the longer it goes the more you get in that situation i'll say this because it wasn't just what happened at practice he came into practice my understanding is there was something that had happened off the field um he was not in a good headspace and came in and was just not in the game plan the way that he thought he could help the team and there was a blow up and he was they he was told hey you know stay stay home and and cool off and we'll get back to you the rest of the season it wasn't like he wasn't getting his numbers like he wasn't getting his touches like he was still a big part of this offense they still call a lot of stuff for him and so it you can matt lafleur has a bad poker face as someone who's covered him regularly, but the actions will always tell you. So who is getting, who is getting the shot plays called for him? Who is getting it's third and eight. Who is getting the ball? Who is getting the play designed for them? And it is regularly Romeo Dobbs. And so there, there was that issue, but I will tell you I've talked to Romeo a couple of different times. I talked to him at Superbowl. He is a very measured guy. He is, he is a pretty mild mannered guy in front of the cameras, but behind the scenes, he's, he's a ball of energy. He's, he's a really fun guy. He is a, a glue guy in that receiver room. And I remember talking to him a couple of years ago at, at Superbowl. And he was someone who, you know, I was like, he would tell me, but I was trying to keep the guys together. I was trying to keep them motivated, all this stuff. And I'm like, Romeo, are you, you're like a much more vocal guy behind the scenes and even then he kind of he kind of demurred he was like yeah I don't know but he he really is a leader in that receiver room and I think that's something that the Packers are going to have to figure out it does seem like he's going to he's going to be you know a free agent here and so they're going to have to find a way to fill that void in Green Bay it's not going to be a small thing Peter when you look at Dobbs just what are his strengths as a receiver you know this fan base really is like yearning for that stretch the field guy that gets separation those you know the new the terms you hear all the time, but that's an area that we really need help with. Is that some, is Dobbs a guy that can help us in those areas? So he is someone who certainly is going to be able to win with his route running. Um, he's not, you know, going to, going to trick anyone, anyone into believing he's Devante Adams because he's not that level of route runner. There are times, um, that, that if he becomes a Buffalo bill, he may bother Joe because there's going to be trying to, trying to land on Tik TOK, Tik TOK with some of the route running. Um, and, and so when you have that ability, sometimes you wind up in those places trying to get a little too cute. And it's like, Romeo, you got to get out of that stem because the timing and rhythm of the play means you've got to be in this spot at this time, but he can win with his route running. And he is, I would say he's better after the catch than he gets credit for as someone who can make guys miss, can, can get up field in a hurry. He's not a burner vertically, but that was something that if you, you know, you go back and watch him at Nevada, he was a vertical receiver in college. He was able to create big plays down the field. And there were times when I would get frustrated with Jordan Love going, hey man, like just run the play. Whereas he's got Romeo Dobbs isolated one-on-one and is taking his shot down the field. And there you go back to, I can't remember if it was 2023 or 2024. They basically iced a game with a goal ball to Dobbs against the Chargers. And it was just like, yeah, that's part of what he can do. It's not, he's not going to go out there and scare every defense the way that someone like Christian Watson does for this Packers offense, the way that they drafted Matthew Golden to be. But he is certainly someone who can create that verticality and then also win for you on third and eight. Like I was saying this on radio this morning in Buffalo. I want to see Josh Allen rip some backside digs to Romeo Dobbs. Like that's the part of his game that I really, really like. You go back to the Cowboys playoff game in 2023. It was double moves for days. Like the Cowboys had their offense scouted and LaFleur just called every tendency breaker he could think of. And Dobbs is just snapping guys off. And I understand like that was Trayvon Diggs and Deron Bland when they're at their most, we're going to jump every route. But you can use that to your advantage in those big moments. And he does have the ability to snap guys off and create a ton of separation. There was a play in the Bears playoff game. it could have been the game ceiling play but but Dobbs leaps to catch the ball with one hand and unfortunately slides out of bounds on a third down it's a slot fade and he just cooks the corner I think it was Kyler Gordon and it's just like it's it's beautiful to watch he has that in him and to go to another quarterback that can make those kinds of throws one of the Packers go-tos on third and medium is out routes just simple classic old school and and Jordan Love can throw him far hash you know who else can throw him far hash Josh Allen and Romeo Dobbs is really good at selling that inside working outside to create separation and then you've got that window for Allen to fit the ball in so he certainly is someone who can who can win both vertically and with his route running is he probably leaving the Packers because they have someone else that can do all that is this Matthew Golden spot to step into not to make them exactly the same player but is that why he's leaving? And is a team that signs him to 16 to 20 million going to feel good about it? The numbers are always just so funny to me because they seem big in the moment. And then if you get a good player two years later, you're like, well, whatever, we got a good player. Like, I think you don't really get in trouble signing good players to contracts, even if you pay 20% more than maybe they're worth in a vacuum. I think you have to have clear eyes about what he is and what he isn't. and if you want him to come again if you want him to be stefan digs he's not but if you want him to come be a reliable pass catcher in your offense and someone who can be a high quality starting receiver for you who can make big he's a huge like he's that's why juan jennings is the name that i go to because third and medium red zone that's where he really shines um he's not going to be someone who's going to get 12 or 14 targets in a game for you and and just like blow up a game but so he's leaving this Packers offense because this is kind of what the Packers have built this offense into I mentioned that egalitarian style where they're they're just going to throw to the open guy it's going to be very game plan dependent it's going to be very defense dependent all those things he's just kind of priced himself out of Green Bay they don't they don't want to pay I think any receiver that's not Devontae Adams and even Devontae Adams they they pushed back on getting him top of the market money. That's why Devontae ultimately pushed for a trade. They planned for this and they gave Christian Watson the one year extension. I think he showed in the second half of the season, why he is, you know, valued in this Packers organization. And they have Jaden Reed and Don Tavian Wicks under contract for at least another season. They used top hundred picks on Matthew golden and saving on Williams. They plan for this stuff. Even when good players walk out the door, they're always planning a year two years in advance they drafted aj dylan because they had contracts coming up for aaron jones and jamal williams can't pay everybody and so they ended up paying aaron jones they kept aj dylan jamal williams went on and had a really nice career and and is is a good football player but they're just they were not going to pay what the markup on free same thing with rashid walker like they drafted jordan morgan and anthony belton and so they feel like they're insulated and rashid walker if you're going to go get 20 plus million dollars on the open market. Romeo Dobbs, if you're going to go get $16, $18 million on the open market, go with God. And we wish you the best of luck. No hard feelings. And get those comp picks back as well. Exactly right. If I could sneak one more in Peter Yeah What you described in terms of this Packers offense is a lot of what this Bills offense wants to be There a huge difference The Packers are drafting receivers that make it possible I guess my question is, we've acknowledged that, but there's a frustration in Buffalo about that style of offense. Does that happen in Green Bay? Are people like, oh my gosh, they don't have a true blue bonafide number one receiver or happy with this style? Those conversations are certainly happening. And I think that, you know, I heard our old pal Ben Solak talk about this on Mina Kaim's show last year about like, hey, it's all fun in games in the regular season when you can spread the ball around. But in the playoffs, you need that guy. You know, I don't know if that's true the way that it is meant in every offense. I think when you have an alien at quarterback like the Bills do, it can be the trump card. But I do think you've seen the shortcomings of it. And it's funny you mentioned that, Joe, because coming into the season last year, I made the same comparison. I was like, is there really a difference in the way that the Bills and the Packers are built other than the fact that Josh Allen is a bona fide MVP and Jordan Love is not? But I think you do see the flaws there. That being said, like if you put Josh Allen on last year's Packers team, their offense is probably good enough in the playoffs. Right. And Jordan Love was not the problem in the playoff game either. Threw for over 300 yards and four touchdowns. They gave up 25 fourth quarter points, guys. Like this is, this is just like, that was not on the offense. They had a kicker miss an extra point and a field goal in the fourth quarter. It was just like, it was one of those Murphy's laws games where he just like, how, how can this happen? But those conversations show are absolutely happening in green Bay. It's why they were so happy to see the Matthew golden draft selection. It's why Christian Watson's elevation this past season. And if you look at the yards per route run numbers, he was a top 10 receiver last year. there were games where he looked absolutely like a number one receiver and was able to pull them out of holes when they needed him to so I think that they would like to have a balanced offense I think what happened in 2021 guys when when D'Amico Ryans had Aaron Rodgers the MVP the two-time MVP at that time back to back in in just a straight jacket was that was an offense that was too reliant on one receiver and I think Matt LaFleur left that playoff game going never again we will never have a passing game in green bay that looks like that and so they've tried to design it that way the bills have kind of tried to do that too it's just that some of the guys that they've drafted have not worked or have not taken the steps that they were hoping for and so that's that's why they're left with with what they're left with now you know frankly i'd like to see them be on the phone with howie roseman every day about trying to get aj brown out of philadelphia because that would be i got i got a big smile out of joe on that one um that i think that that would that would be that would solve a lot of problems for for buffalo frankly yeah peter thanks very much i mean we talk about receiver a lot and you know romeo dobbs the latest so um if it happens thanks for all the i'd love to see it guys i really would i think he'd be great in buffalo very good all right peter burkowski locked on packers uh joining thanks peter one other thing about what he lays out there like how the the builds are similar guys this is going to be a little i'm gonna go a little too far but i'll say it why can the packers trade for micah parsons in the bills can't it's because they have five guys that have been drafted and are not making a lot of money and they have a lot more cap space more cap flexibility at a very expensive position and the bills are like why don't we have room you know it's an expensive position it's not only that i know i know anyway um our thanks to peter there good stuff on the packers and like christian Watson, Matthew Golden. That's a good offense. It's drafted two receivers. Golden's 22nd and Watson was the first pick of the second round. Yeah, 34. Second pick of the second round. I liked Watson. You know what's funny about the Packers is like they haven't been great in the first round at all. Quay Walker, that's not a great first round pick. Devontae Wyatt, Lucas Van Ness, Jordan Morgan. They've been able to fill with their mid to late round picks. and position themselves to have a lot of flexibility with who they can let go and making a trade like the Micah Parsons one. So, yeah, they have a lot of second, third, fourth, fifth round hits that have allowed that to happen. And they've had a lot of volume. They draft like 10 guys a year. So, Bean's got to find some more hits so he can be more flexible. Yeah, a little bit. Then again, like, the Bills have been pretty darn good, too, through this stretch. We all do know that. All right, back on the other side, NFL news and notes of the day. 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The boys were chopping it up this morning. On the radio. I've been watching the Sabres games, but I don't know what players would help them or what they need. They look pretty good to me. The last two months, they look like a perfect game. I've been watching, Jeremy. It looked pretty good. Move goaltending talent to get talent more scoring talent. Is that correct? I don't know. I can't figure out what they should do. They look good. They've got to run the goaltenders, don't they, in the system? Don't they got to move somebody? They might not have anybody they can trust too much, but we'll see. Just add talent. Figure it out, right? Yeah, just figure it out. Just go win the cup, you know, just like everybody expects. Quick news and notes today. How do you guys like the David Montgomery move for Houston? Kind of a name running back. he'll be paired with Woody Marks and now Jameer Gibbs and insert someone else here David Montgomery to the Texans well they need a running back I mean obviously Joe Mixon has had the foot injury all year that wasn't going to work so they had to find another reliable running back more Montgomery's been one of those guys I like him quite a bit but again who's who's going to block for him right I mean they got to figure out this offensive line pretty quick yeah they traded away Titus Howard uh who's obviously a good starter for them juice Scruggs was part of that trade as well who was not a starter this year but what houston has been doing to try to get their offensive line correct is is is a lot they've been purging and drafting and yeah i don't i don't feel like they're any closer to having a solution here so um they got to get that right because the the cj strout element has been very inconsistent and as that protection continues to be questionable combined with a quarterback that holds onto the ball, you see some bad lowlights from C.J. Stroud. You're coming up on that fifth-year option, and you're going to have to make a decision. They're going to pick it up. They're going to pick it up, but yeah. I like David Montgomery a lot. He's just one of those guys I like to watch him. When the Lions signed him, I thought, wow, it's a lot of money for a guy that's kind of old, and he put up numbers for them, 2,500 yards over the course of that three years and 20 touchdowns maybe. he's just been whatever the kind of back that I feel like a lot of teams use and kind of fly in the face of you know running backs don't matter because he's productive in short yardage he blocks his rear end off like he's he's a value so I kind of like the deal for Houston it gives him an opportunity to try to maybe be that spotlight number one back again for a little bit I mean obviously the Lions are not going to move on from Gibbs they're going to find a way to get that deal done. I'm sure Atlanta does the same thing with Robinson, but yeah, it gives Montgomery a chance to shine again and be the guy. And Marks is really, to me, more of a pass catching back. And so I think this is a good complimentary skillset. Think about how much we had to watch Nick Chubb play for the Texans last year. It's a nice little upgrade here in David Montgomery, another Iowa state guy, which is a requirement for playing for the Texans. That's right. Jerry, you got a request here for a, from a comment, The kid from Alabama, you know, the 6'7", 366 freak. Who is that? Which lineman? That's Proctor. Proctor's a kid. Speaking of Iowa, Proctor went to high school in Iowa, originally committed to Iowa, went to Alabama, back to Iowa, then ended up in Alabama again. So Caden Proctor, well-traveled there, but huge guy, athletically a freak. He's a guy I think, again, what I talked about earlier when I was talking about Caleb Tiernan as far as the left tackle that you can move inside, and then if you had to, as he got his feet wet, move him back outside to tackle if you think you can get him there. That's what I think from him as well. I think this is a guard in the NFL. Now, he's athletically is there, but I think in the league he plays inside with maybe a chance to move outside later. But, yeah, he is athletically size-wise and movement-wise is a legitimate freak. Good comment slash question here about the receiver conversation to number one. I always ask and I wonder if someone asks him, what if Josh doesn't want a true number one after dealing with digs? What if he wants a bunch of different skill sets instead that comes from Levi? So what if Josh prefers the build of no one is truly separating themselves? Fine choice of words, by the way, Jeremy, when you phrase that separating themselves, no one's separating themselves. Part of me won't say like tough. What do we want? We don't want great players. Do we not want our left tackle to be too good? What's, you know, like, why would you not want someone great? If you don't want someone demanding slash commanding the ball, I get that. But even Joe Brady says every receiver wants it. So, you know, what am I supposed to do? Just like appease the quarterback here as well. He gets a lot that he wants. With the amount of heat that the bills have taken for the receiver position, I feel like this would be widely understood if that was the case in terms of what Josh Allen wanted. I think Josh is going to embrace what he has to embrace. And the 2024 season, I'll always really admire the way that he altered his style of play to kind of overcome the deficiencies of the offense. But I thought we saw last year that guy wants to chuck it, man. And he wants somebody he knows can be reliable for him. And so I would disagree with this idea that Josh doesn't want a number one receiver. I don't think it's that he doesn't want a number one receiver. He wants a number one receiver that would like to come to the pizza party every week and play nice in the sandbox. Does that make sense? It does. We should have asked Peter about Romeo Dobbs and whether he likes pizza parties. As Peter started laying out there, he, to me, painted a picture of a guy that is a good teammate, but some stuff can happen. You can flip a switch. He cares a lot. I like that. Me too. I want a guy that's not just happy to be there. I want a guy that is psycho a little bit. But it was not forced leadership. He led on his own. He didn't have to be asked to do it. Ryan writes in, Keon could benefit a ton from having a high-gravity wide receiver to pull a team's attention to. Same argument as Gabe Davis. I never really believed that. They're going one-on-one with Keon all day long saying, beat us, and he can't. So there's no gravity that's going to help. They're already getting one-on-ones, and he can't win them. See, this is what's so funny. I think this paints a great picture about the NFL and prospects about where they were drafted and or not drafted. Because he was picked the first pick in the second round, we are manufacturing ways to help him. The head coach might be doing that. If this was me after being cut three times, they'd have been like, move on down the road. You know what I'm saying? This is a weird parallel, but it reminds me a little of the C.J. Spiller conversation where for years you heard the Bills are not using C.J. Spiller correctly. And then he goes to Sean Payton and Andy Reid, and he doesn't produce either. You know, maybe the guy's just not that good. Right. Right. Thanks, Ryan. The narrative is always different depending upon draft position. Listen, I'll back up Ryan for a little bit here on that comment. The Bills might agree with him, even though there might not be a ton of evidence that teams would do that or anything would be different. The Bills might agree because they keep talking like they're going to get this thing right. I think it's a defendable idea. I think the problem is they just haven't brought in the right players. Like, I get it. You don't want to have a $40 million receiver. You'd rather spread the wealth and do what the Packers are kind of doing. But that starts with getting the right people in the building, and they haven't been able to do that. Yeah. Not tomorrow, sorry. Thursday, we're back. We'll have some more rumors, of course. Maybe some trades. Maybe Max Crosby. Albert Breer says it could happen this week. And it'll be, of course, a bit closer to the start of free agency, which is actually going to be March 11th. So legal tampering starts a week from today. And then March 11th is the start of the league year. Bills have to be cap compliant by Wednesday of next week. Anticipating restructures. anticipating a goodbye to Curtis Samuel and maybe a couple more. So thanks for writing in our thanks to Peter Bukowski of lockdown Packers as well. And the leap, he covers the Packers gentlemen. We'll talk later this week. Maybe we have a new Buffalo bill by then, right? Maybe there's a big trade for Max Crosby. I just don't want them to trade their first round pick. Cause then that ruins my next six weeks. I'm counting on that pick. We might have less bills by Thursday. True. True. All right. Well, we'll check in on Thursday and see where things are. Until then, have a great day and go Bills. Go Bills. Much love. Go Bills. Meet the energy shot that tastes just like birthday cake. Confetti craze, extra strength, five-hour energy, tastes like a rich, buttery, vanilla birthday cake. Frosting and all. 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